Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

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How right you are Gloria. Cloud storage, no matter what they call it, comes and 
goes. 
 
So do genealogy programs. More and more people are going to the Internet for 
research. Not everything is there. Yes, there is more research available then 
when I started, back in 1975, but there is a LOT that has never and will never 
be digitized and placed on the Internet.
 
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In a message dated 7/31/2018 12:26:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
g...@representative.com writes:

 
Gloria, you are getting some of this information mixed up. Very easy to do, 
with the way people talk about these services, and how they use them. Don' t 
listen to all that garbage! Most people really don't know what they are doing.
 
There are many different companies offering 'clous storage' services. Yes, most 
will want some payment; that is how they make a living. But you need to 
remember NOT to rely on the cloud as a safe place to store anything!! It is all 
temporary, 'in the clouds', and can disappear quickly. The best you shold think 
of these things is that they are temporary. When you need something quickly, 
they are great. But not a permanent solution.
 
No one can say that anything is better than anything else. Everyone likes 
certain things, and others do not! Study each one and see if any of them will 
suit your needs. My needs are going to be different than yours. What I like may 
not work for you! YOU have to decide.
 
You really need an external hard drive -- they are so cheap these days -- and 
even make two backup copies. You just can't be too careful. All it takes is ONE 
lost file to make you wish you had done a proper back up!!
 
Dropbox is for sharing files. Yes, you can put files there and 'share' them 
with yourself in the future, but that is taking a risk. It is okay for sharing 
with friends (I do that a lot) but the files all come and go. It is all 
temporary. Nothing is permanent there!! Keep that in mind.
 
You can buy some storage space on the 'net somewhere -- that is called 'in the 
cloud' -- and that is only as reliable as the company you have a deal with, but 
it could just vanish one day. Don't rely on anyone, other than yoursel. And 
even then, I don't trust my own memory, so I use an external drive. If anything 
happens to my computer -- and it has -- I still have my data that took years to 
collect. I can't risk losing all of it!! Don't trust any thing other than your 
own devices. These have been known to fail too .. so make two backup copies -- 
just in case. (You can delete one file later on)  Best to be over-protected 
than to have nothing at all.
 
G
 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 6:41 AM
From: "Gloria DeSousa" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage
Has anyone had experience using Evernote for their cloud storage? My genealogy 
library recommended the free version of Evernote over Dropbox but I haven't 
found it easy to use. I gave up using it last year, and can't remember why 
exactly. I rely on Carbonite for everything on my laptop. Is DropBox better 
than Carbonite for genealogy or anything else for that matter? I also have an 
external hard drive that I use for backup, but only every few months rather 
than daily, because it's either too old or I'm too old to figure out how to 
have it backup automatically. I know how important it is to have cloud storage, 
and would like it done seamlessly. 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Charles Personal]

Since I will be using a laptop when I am on the road and a desktop when at home 
I have deceided to use the Legacy Cloud storage as my go between cloud stoage 
and keep my working database local to my systems.

I do not have any media files in my database, so this is not a limitation for 
me.

I already use the Legacy Cloud as a quick backup tool.

I make a backup to the Legacy Cloud at the end of every one my sessions and 
also sometimes when I have made a lot of changes during a session.

I can just retore the latest backup to the system that I will be using for 
changes.

I do not relie on this as a permanent backup so I also do backups monthly to a 
NAS while at home and monthly backups to a USB drive while on the road.

I have folders setup for each month of the year and backup the new month folder 
on the first of each month.

This gives me 12 versions of backups should I find that the latest backup is 
bad.

I also backup my NAS to USB drives annually and store them at a location away 
from my house.

I am changing to use Google Drive and Google DOCs for my note taking, this is 
working quite well for notes and is accesable from any system.

Thanks for all the duscussion on Cloud usage, it has been very interesting and 
helpful.

On 7/29/2018 10:34 AM, Mary Leek wrote:
Gloria,

Cathy has described the differences for backup options you mentioned in your 
original post. One suggestion I’d add is to consider utilizing the Legacy Cloud 
backup option that comes with Legacy 9 deluxe (maybe standard, too??).

You will be required to register so that there is an account specifically for 
you but that’s easy and simple to do. When you set up the account, you will 
need to create a password so only you can access your Legacy Cloud account. Use 
something you can remember easily and write it down somewhere. Once you 
register and Legacy knows you and your account information, it is simple to 
choose that option on the backup window and then it runs automatically. I use 
this backup at least once a day and sometimes more if I’m doing a lot of work. 
I also use Carbonite and backup to a separate drive but this Legacy Cloud 
backup is great for what it does. Simple and fast. I hope everyone takes 
advantage of it.

This backup is only for your database file, NOT media, so if you also attach 
media (photos and documents), that must be backed up separately to another 
source. But to have this protection for your database file and to be able to so 
easily restore it, if needed, is a great bonus option offered by Legacy.

Mary


From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:07 AM
To: Legacy User Group; Gloria DeSousa
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

Gloria,

You've mentioned 3 completely different tools the cloud offers.

Carbonite is a true backup system. Its equivalents are Back Blaze and iDrive, 
etc

Dropbox is a convenient way to share files between your own computers and with 
other people you choose to share a file or a folder with. Secondarily it's an 
out of the house backup but shouldn't be your only backup. Because any change 
you make in the Dropbox folder on your computer syncs/overwrites/deletes what 
was in the Dropbox Cloud. Its equivalents are Google Drive, OneDrive, etc

Evernote is primarily for Note taking, for storing things you clip from the 
web. Yes you can add files to a note and to that extent it is "in the cloud" 
but that's not the primary purpose.
The magic of Evernote is the search so you can find things easily. If you have 
one of the paid versions the search will also include PDFs and Docs you have 
added and text on images.
You can group notes via tags or put them in themed Notebooks - but the key is 
you can find things again with a simple search.
You can also set reminders on tags so you can save something and make sure it's 
not completely forgotten by adding a reminder. For genealogy I use it to save 
things that are probably relevant but I need to do more work to be more 
certain. I also use it for things I know are relevant but I haven't got time to 
enter into Legacy properly at the moment - either because I really should be 
doing something else OR because I'm trying to keep focussed on a particular 
task but have tripped over this other interesting thing I don't want to lose 
sight of.
There is an excellent book for how to use Evernote for Genealogy. It's called: 
How to use Evernote for Genealogists by Kerry Scott. I have it as a Kindle 
E-book.
(There's a good Facebook group called Evernote for Genealogists but I guess 
since you are here and not on the Legacy User Group Facebook page, you don't 
use Facebook. Note however that you can use Facebook just for the myriad of 
useful groups and lock down almost everything.)
Its equivalent is Microsoft's OneNote. They work a bit differently and each has 
their fans.

Cathy

Gloria DeSousa wrote:


Has anyone had experience usin

Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Mary Leek]

Gloria,
 
Cathy has described the differences for backup options you mentioned in your 
original post. One suggestion I’d add is to consider utilizing the Legacy Cloud 
backup option that comes with Legacy 9 deluxe (maybe standard, too??). 
 
You will be required to register so that there is an account specifically for 
you but that’s easy and simple to do. When you set up the account, you will 
need to create a password so only you can access your Legacy Cloud account. Use 
something you can remember easily and write it down somewhere. Once you 
register and Legacy knows you and your account information, it is simple to 
choose that option on the backup window and then it runs automatically. I use 
this backup at least once a day and sometimes more if I’m doing a lot of work. 
I also use Carbonite and backup to a separate drive but this Legacy Cloud 
backup is great for what it does. Simple and fast. I hope everyone takes 
advantage of it.
 
This backup is only for your database file, NOT media, so if you also attach 
media (photos and documents), that must be backed up separately to another 
source. But to have this protection for your database file and to be able to so 
easily restore it, if needed, is a great bonus option offered by Legacy.
 
Mary
 
 
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:07 AM
To: Legacy User Group; Gloria DeSousa
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage
 
Gloria,

You've mentioned 3 completely different tools the cloud offers. 

Carbonite is a true backup system. Its equivalents are Back Blaze and iDrive, 
etc

Dropbox is a convenient way to share files between your own computers and with 
other people you choose to share a file or a folder with. Secondarily it's an 
out of the house backup but shouldn't be your only backup. Because any change 
you make in the Dropbox folder on your computer syncs/overwrites/deletes what 
was in the Dropbox Cloud. Its equivalents are Google Drive, OneDrive, etc

Evernote is primarily for Note taking, for storing things you clip from the 
web. Yes you can add files to a note and to that extent it is "in the cloud" 
but that's not the primary purpose. 
The magic of Evernote is the search so you can find things easily. If you have 
one of the paid versions the search will also include PDFs and Docs you have 
added and text on images.
You can group notes via tags or put them in themed Notebooks - but the key is 
you can find things again with a simple search. 
You can also set reminders on tags so you can save something and make sure it's 
not completely forgotten by adding a reminder. For genealogy I use it to save 
things that are probably relevant but I need to do more work to be more 
certain. I also use it for things I know are relevant but I haven't got time to 
enter into Legacy properly at the moment - either because I really should be 
doing something else OR because I'm trying to keep focussed on a particular 
task but have tripped over this other interesting thing I don't want to lose 
sight of.
There is an excellent book for how to use Evernote for Genealogy. It's called: 
How to use Evernote for Genealogists by Kerry Scott. I have it as a Kindle 
E-book. 
(There's a good Facebook group called Evernote for Genealogists but I guess 
since you are here and not on the Legacy User Group Facebook page, you don't 
use Facebook. Note however that you can use Facebook just for the myriad of 
useful groups and lock down almost everything.)
Its equivalent is Microsoft's OneNote. They work a bit differently and each has 
their fans.

Cathy

Gloria DeSousa wrote:



Has anyone had experience using Evernote for their cloud storage? My 
genealogy library recommended the free version of Evernote over 
Dropbox but I haven't found it easy to use. I gave up using it last 
year, and can't remember why exactly. I rely on Carbonite for 
everything on my laptop. Is DropBox better than Carbonite for 
genealogy or anything else for that matter? I also have an external 
hard drive that I use for backup, but only every few months rather 
than daily, because it's either too old or I'm too old to figure out 
how to have it backup automatically. I know how important it is to 
have cloud storage, and would like it done seamlessly.

Thanks,
Gloria

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The key to using a Legacy database stored in the cloud is, as
Jenny Benson says, making sure you ALWAYS give it time to finish
syncing before closing the computer or opening it on another computer.

I certainly wouldn't do it when travelling as internet connections
vary. I don't do it here at home either as my connection speed
varies a lot. It's very easy to get conflicted copies unless you
have really fast, reliable internet connection.

I do keep my Legacy Media and my Legacy Backups in Dropbox. 99.9%
of the 

Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Cathy Pinner]

    problem.
    I backup regularly to other locations.

    it is just important to remember to allow time for Dropbox to
    update
    before switching off either device after use.



    Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
    <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>>
    Saturday, 28 July 2018 4:54 AM


    Because I work mainly on my desktop computer, but from time to
    time use my laptop for a few days, I keep my Legacy Family
    File in Dropbox.  I have done this for some time now and never
    had a problem.  I backup regularly to other locations.

    it is just important to remember to allow time for Dropbox to
    update before switching off either device after use.

    Bob Austen <mailto:rgaus...@telus.net <mailto:rgaus...@telus.net>>
    Saturday, 28 July 2018 4:38 AM

    I use DropBox but ONLY for backup.  If you are switching
    between your laptop and desktop and DropBox is your only file
    source I believe you are looking for trouble.

    If you use a desktop for your primary research then make a
    copy of your file to a media card and install it on your
    laptop.  Then, when you are taking your laptop travelling, you
    have the latest data.  Use a media card for backup while you
    are away.  If you have made any changes to the file (while
    away) then copy the laptop file back to the desktop once you
    get home and everything will be up to date.

    Please be aware of syncing cloud based data, especially if
    this is your main file source. The cloud based data is NOT a
    multiuser program. I would strongly recommend using it only
    for backup.

    Bob Austen

    *From:*LegacyUserGroup
    [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com
    <mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com>] *On Behalf
    Of *Joyce Herzog
    *Sent:* Friday, July 27, 2018 1:01 PM
    *To:* Legacy User Group
    *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

    I use Dropbox for my data so I can use it on my Laptop. I
    don't have any experience with the Media filee. They take too
    much room.

    I just save the file to Dropbox and then retrieve it in Legacy
    on the Laptop, like normal.  I don't know about the other
    services because I don't use them.

    On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:46 AM Charles Personal
    mailto:cwenn...@hotmail.com>
    <mailto:cwenn...@hotmail.com <mailto:cwenn...@hotmail.com>>>
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    Friday, 27 July 2018 9:45 PM
    We will be traveling this winter and I am investigating using
    cloud
    based stoarage for our Legacy Data.

    What is the best cloud based storage to use with Legacy?

    Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive, Mega, other?

    What is the prcess to move Legacy data to a cloud location.

    Thanks in advance for your assistance.

    Charlie



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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Gloria DeSousa]

Has anyone had experience using Evernote for their cloud storage? My
genealogy library recommended the free version of Evernote over Dropbox but
I haven't found it easy to use. I gave up using it last year, and can't
remember why exactly. I rely on Carbonite for everything on my laptop. Is
DropBox better than Carbonite for genealogy or anything else for that
matter? I also have an external hard drive that I use for backup, but only
every few months rather than daily, because it's either too old or I'm too
old to figure out how to have it backup automatically. I know how important
it is to have cloud storage, and would like it done seamlessly.

Thanks,
Gloria

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> The key to using a Legacy database stored in the cloud is, as Jenny Benson
> says, making sure you ALWAYS give it time to finish syncing before closing
> the computer or opening it on another computer.
>
> I certainly wouldn't do it when travelling as internet connections vary. I
> don't do it here at home either as my connection speed varies a lot. It's
> very easy to get conflicted copies unless you have really fast, reliable
> internet connection.
>
> I do keep my Legacy Media and my Legacy Backups in Dropbox. 99.9% of the
> time I make sure that my backup has synced to the cloud before closing
> down. I keep all really important data in the cloud, especially in bushfire
> season.
>
> Cathy
>
> Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
>>
>> On 27/07/2018 21:38, Bob Austen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I use DropBox but ONLY for backup.  If you are switching between your
>>> laptop and desktop and DropBox is your only file source I believe you
>>> are looking for trouble.
>>>
>>> If you use a desktop for your primary research then make a copy of
>>> your file to a media card and install it on your laptop.  Then, when
>>> you are taking your laptop travelling, you have the latest data.  Use
>>> a media card for backup while you are away.  If you have made any
>>> changes to the file (while away) then copy the laptop file back to
>>> the desktop once you get home and everything will be up to date.
>>>
>>> Please be aware of syncing cloud based data, especially if this is
>>> your main file source. The cloud based data is NOT a multiuser
>>> program. I would strongly recommend using it only for backup.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Because I work mainly on my desktop computer, but from time to time
>> use my laptop for a few days, I keep my Legacy Family File in
>> Dropbox.  I have done this for some time now and never had a problem.
>> I backup regularly to other locations.
>>
>> it is just important to remember to allow time for Dropbox to update
>> before switching off either device after use.
>>
>
>
> Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
>> Saturday, 28 July 2018 4:54 AM
>>
>>
>> Because I work mainly on my desktop computer, but from time to time use
>> my laptop for a few days, I keep my Legacy Family File in Dropbox.  I have
>> done this for some time now and never had a problem.  I backup regularly to
>> other locations.
>>
>> it is just important to remember to allow time for Dropbox to update
>> before switching off either device after use.
>>
>> Bob Austen <mailto:rgaus...@telus.net>
>> Saturday, 28 July 2018 4:38 AM
>>
>> I use DropBox but ONLY for backup.  If you are switching between your
>> laptop and desktop and DropBox is your only file source I believe you are
>> looking for trouble.
>>
>> If you use a desktop for your primary research then make a copy of your
>> file to a media card and install it on your laptop.  Then, when you are
>> taking your laptop travelling, you have the latest data.  Use a media card
>> for backup while you are away.  If you have made any changes to the file
>> (while away) then copy the laptop file back to the desktop once you get
>> home and everything will be up to date.
>>
>> Please be aware of syncing cloud based data, especially if this is your
>> main file source. The cloud based data is NOT a multiuser program. I would
>> strongly recommend using it only for backup.
>>
>> Bob Austen
>>
>> *From:*LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com]
>> *On Behalf Of *Joyce Herzog
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 27, 2018 1:01 PM
>> *To:* Legacy User Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage
>>
>> I use Dropbox for my data so I can use it on my Laptop. I don't have any
>> experience with the Media filee. They take too much room.
>>
>> 

Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Cathy Pinner]

The key to using a Legacy database stored in the cloud is, as Jenny 
Benson says, making sure you ALWAYS give it time to finish syncing 
before closing the computer or opening it on another computer.


I certainly wouldn't do it when travelling as internet connections vary. 
I don't do it here at home either as my connection speed varies a lot. 
It's very easy to get conflicted copies unless you have really fast, 
reliable internet connection.


I do keep my Legacy Media and my Legacy Backups in Dropbox. 99.9% of the 
time I make sure that my backup has synced to the cloud before closing 
down. I keep all really important data in the cloud, especially in 
bushfire season.


Cathy

Jenny M Benson wrote:


On 27/07/2018 21:38, Bob Austen wrote:


I use DropBox but ONLY for backup.  If you are switching between your
laptop and desktop and DropBox is your only file source I believe you
are looking for trouble.

If you use a desktop for your primary research then make a copy of
your file to a media card and install it on your laptop.  Then, when
you are taking your laptop travelling, you have the latest data.  Use
a media card for backup while you are away.  If you have made any
changes to the file (while away) then copy the laptop file back to
the desktop once you get home and everything will be up to date.

Please be aware of syncing cloud based data, especially if this is
your main file source. The cloud based data is NOT a multiuser
program. I would strongly recommend using it only for backup.




Because I work mainly on my desktop computer, but from time to time
use my laptop for a few days, I keep my Legacy Family File in
Dropbox.  I have done this for some time now and never had a problem.
I backup regularly to other locations.

it is just important to remember to allow time for Dropbox to update
before switching off either device after use.




Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
Saturday, 28 July 2018 4:54 AM


Because I work mainly on my desktop computer, but from time to time 
use my laptop for a few days, I keep my Legacy Family File in 
Dropbox.  I have done this for some time now and never had a problem.  
I backup regularly to other locations.


it is just important to remember to allow time for Dropbox to update 
before switching off either device after use.


Bob Austen <mailto:rgaus...@telus.net>
Saturday, 28 July 2018 4:38 AM

I use DropBox but ONLY for backup.  If you are switching between your 
laptop and desktop and DropBox is your only file source I believe you 
are looking for trouble.


If you use a desktop for your primary research then make a copy of 
your file to a media card and install it on your laptop.  Then, when 
you are taking your laptop travelling, you have the latest data.  Use 
a media card for backup while you are away.  If you have made any 
changes to the file (while away) then copy the laptop file back to the 
desktop once you get home and everything will be up to date.


Please be aware of syncing cloud based data, especially if this is 
your main file source. The cloud based data is NOT a multiuser 
program. I would strongly recommend using it only for backup.


Bob Austen

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Joyce 
Herzog

*Sent:* Friday, July 27, 2018 1:01 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

I use Dropbox for my data so I can use it on my Laptop. I don't have 
any experience with the Media filee. They take too much room.


I just save the file to Dropbox and then retrieve it in Legacy on the 
Laptop, like normal.  I don't know about the other services because I 
don't use them.


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Charles Personal <mailto:cwenn...@hotmail.com>
Friday, 27 July 2018 9:45 PM
We will be traveling this winter and I am investigating using cloud
based stoarage for our Legacy Data.

What is the best cloud based storage to use with Legacy?

Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive, Mega, other?

What is the prcess to move Legacy data to a cloud location.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Charlie




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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Jenny M Benson]

On 27/07/2018 21:38, Bob Austen wrote:
I use DropBox but ONLY for backup.  If you are switching between your 
laptop and desktop and DropBox is your only file source I believe you 
are looking for trouble.


If you use a desktop for your primary research then make a copy of your 
file to a media card and install it on your laptop.  Then, when you are 
taking your laptop travelling, you have the latest data.  Use a media 
card for backup while you are away.  If you have made any changes to the 
file (while away) then copy the laptop file back to the desktop once you 
get home and everything will be up to date.


Please be aware of syncing cloud based data, especially if this is your 
main file source. The cloud based data is NOT a multiuser program. I 
would strongly recommend using it only for backup.




Because I work mainly on my desktop computer, but from time to time use 
my laptop for a few days, I keep my Legacy Family File in Dropbox.  I 
have done this for some time now and never had a problem.  I backup 
regularly to other locations.


it is just important to remember to allow time for Dropbox to update 
before switching off either device after use.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Bob Austen]

I use DropBox but ONLY for backup.  If you are switching between your laptop 
and desktop and DropBox is your only file source I believe you are looking for 
trouble.



If you use a desktop for your primary research then make a copy of your file to 
a media card and install it on your laptop.  Then, when you are taking your 
laptop travelling, you have the latest data.  Use a media card for backup while 
you are away.  If you have made any changes to the file (while away) then copy 
the laptop file back to the desktop once you get home and everything will be up 
to date.



Please be aware of syncing cloud based data, especially if this is your main 
file source. The cloud based data is NOT a multiuser program. I would strongly 
recommend using it only for backup.



Bob Austen



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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 1:01 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage



I use Dropbox for my data so I can use it on my Laptop. I don't have any 
experience with the Media filee. They take too much room.

I just save the file to Dropbox and then retrieve it in Legacy on the Laptop, 
like normal.  I don't know about the other services because I don't use them.



On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:46 AM Charles Personal  wrote:

We will be traveling this winter and I am investigating using cloud
based stoarage for our Legacy Data.

What is the best cloud based storage to use with Legacy?

Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive, Mega, other?

What is the prcess to move Legacy data to a cloud location.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Charlie

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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Joyce Herzog]

I use Dropbox for my data so I can use it on my Laptop. I don't have any
experience with the Media filee. They take too much room.
I just save the file to Dropbox and then retrieve it in Legacy on the
Laptop, like normal.  I don't know about the other services because I don't
use them.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:46 AM Charles Personal 
wrote:

> We will be traveling this winter and I am investigating using cloud
> based stoarage for our Legacy Data.
>
> What is the best cloud based storage to use with Legacy?
>
> Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive, Mega, other?
>
> What is the prcess to move Legacy data to a cloud location.
>
> Thanks in advance for your assistance.
>
> Charlie
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[LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Charles Personal]

We will be traveling this winter and I am investigating using cloud 
based stoarage for our Legacy Data.

What is the best cloud based storage to use with Legacy?

Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive, Mega, other?

What is the prcess to move Legacy data to a cloud location.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Wendy Howard]

Thank you to Jennifer and Norris for replying with further details that 
clarified the situation. I'm not surprised to hear that they're dropping 
the XP version.


Wendy

Norris Taylor wrote on 23/05/2016 06:01:

That's for users with Windows XP only. See:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227




On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Steve Hayes > wrote:


On 22 May 2016 at 19:38, Wendy Howard wrote:

> Why do you say that Dropbox is going to stop working in August,
please?  Can
> you point to an announcement from Dropbox?

I received an e-mail message from DropBox saying that they are
pulling the
plug on 29 August.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Carol Bell]

Whew!   I was wondering too, but that makes sense since it's for XP and
Microsoft hasn't been supporting it for a few years either.  The rest of
Dropbox is still there for other platforms.

On Sun, May 22, 2016, 1:03 PM Norris Taylor  wrote:

> That's for users with Windows XP only. See:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Steve Hayes 
> wrote:
>
>> On 22 May 2016 at 19:38, Wendy Howard wrote:
>>
>> > Why do you say that Dropbox is going to stop working in August,
>> please?  Can
>> > you point to an announcement from Dropbox?
>>
>> I received an e-mail message from DropBox saying that they are pulling the
>> plug on 29 August.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Jennifer Crockett]

It is for those still using Windows XP.


On June 26, 2016, the Dropbox desktop app for Windows XP will no longer be
available for download on dropbox.com. Signing in to an existing account or
creating a new account will also no longer be possible on Windows XP.

On August 29, 2016, the Dropbox desktop app will no longer support Windows
XP. On this date, you will be automatically signed out of any Dropbox
accounts linked to a Windows XP computer. You can sign in again once you
update to Windows Vista or a later version of Windows.

If you are signed out of your Dropbox account, please know that no changes
will be made to your account. Your files and photos will be safe. You'll
still be able to access your account-or create a new account-on dropbox.com
or on other compatible computers and mobile devices.

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Regards,

Jennifer

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Sent: Sunday, 22 May 2016 5:38 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

Why do you say that Dropbox is going to stop working in August, please?  
Can you point to an announcement from Dropbox?

Wendy

Steve Hayes wrote on 21/05/2016 20:55:
> Unfortunately Dropbox will stop working in August, so I'll have to 
> revert to flash drives and batch files to transfer my working files 
> from my desktop to my laptop and vice versa, and will lose my off-site 
> backup as well.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Wendy Howard]

Why do you say that Dropbox is going to stop working in August, please?  
Can you point to an announcement from Dropbox?


Wendy

Steve Hayes wrote on 21/05/2016 20:55:
Unfortunately Dropbox will stop working in August, so I'll have to 
revert to flash drives and batch files to transfer my working files 
from my desktop to my laptop and vice versa, and will lose my off-site 
backup as well.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Carol Boswell]

This is all very interesting.  I appreciate your input.
Carol

From: graypa...@outlook.com
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Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:52:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

See comments below:  So, for #1: Dropbox allows two people to work on the file 
at the same time, but whoever closes their file first retains the master name, 
while for the person who closes second Dropbox creates a second file and adds 
the additional name of 'Anne's conflicted copy' to the main file name. If this 
ever occurs, you can use Legacy's compare files tool to see any differences 
between the two files.  Google Drive doesn't allow two people to have the same 
file open.  I'm not sure how Microsoft OneDrive works.   Might just be 
terminology, but this is not technically true. Legacy is ALWAYS USING THE LOCAL 
COPY of your data files. If two people are updating Legacy on two computers 
simultaneously, they are both independently updating their own local copy of 
the file. Legacy never reads from nor writes to the cloud based copy of the 
files. Legacy doesn’t even know you are using Dropbox. Once Legacy writes some 
data to the local file, Windows and Dropbox somehow pick up that change and 
send it up to the ‘central cloud copy’ and then down to other linked computers. 
The central cloud copy’s purposes are to 1) be the central clearing house to 
send updates to the linked computers, and 2) act as an offsite file backup. 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Paul Gray]

See comments below:

 

 

So, for #1: Dropbox allows two people to work on the file at the same time, but 
whoever closes their file first retains the master name, while for the person 
who closes second Dropbox creates a second file and adds the additional name of 
'Anne's conflicted copy' to the main file name. If this ever occurs, you can 
use Legacy's compare files tool to see any differences between the two files.  
Google Drive doesn't allow two people to have the same file open.  I'm not sure 
how Microsoft OneDrive works.

 

 

 

Might just be terminology, but this is not technically true. Legacy is ALWAYS 
USING THE LOCAL COPY of your data files. If two people are updating Legacy on 
two computers simultaneously, they are both independently updating their own 
local copy of the file. Legacy never reads from nor writes to the cloud based 
copy of the files. Legacy doesn’t even know you are using Dropbox. Once Legacy 
writes some data to the local file, Windows and Dropbox somehow pick up that 
change and send it up to the ‘central cloud copy’ and then down to other linked 
computers. The central cloud copy’s purposes are to 1) be the central clearing 
house to send updates to the linked computers, and 2) act as an offsite file 
backup.

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Keith Drury Myers]

Hi All,

I use dropbox to store/share my tree without a problem.

If the internet is down you still have the latest synced version of your 
tree and media on all the machines connected to it.


It only requires a bit of common sense knowing what files may have 
changed since the last sync.


As a safety measure I backup my entire dropbox folder to my second drive 
on my server every now and then so in case of disaster I have a fall back.


I'm just going to do that now :-)

Keith Drury Myers

On 21/05/16 09:55, Steve Hayes wrote:

On 20 May 2016 at 13:45, Carol Boswell wrote:


Greetings,
Is it advisable and/or possible to use Legacy entirely from one's cloud
storage, such asGoogle.drive or Dropbox?  Or is it only for storing and
retrieving media? Thanks, Carol Boswell 

It certainly isn't advisable.

Cloud storage is good got backup and transfer, but not for one's working
files. For one thing, if you don't have internet access, then you lose access
to your files.

Also, Dropbox will be dropping al support for Windows XP in a couple of
months, so if you are using that O/S you'll lose direct access to your files.

If anyone knows of an alternative to Dropbox for that purpose, I'd like to
know of it.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Steve Hayes]

On 20 May 2016 at 13:45, Carol Boswell wrote:

> Greetings,
> Is it advisable and/or possible to use Legacy entirely from one's cloud
> storage, such asGoogle.drive or Dropbox?  Or is it only for storing and
> retrieving media? Thanks, Carol Boswell   
>   

It certainly isn't advisable. 

Cloud storage is good got backup and transfer, but not for one's working 
files. For one thing, if you don't have internet access, then you lose access 
to your files. 

Also, Dropbox will be dropping al support for Windows XP in a couple of 
months, so if you are using that O/S you'll lose direct access to your files.

If anyone knows of an alternative to Dropbox for that purpose, I'd like to 
know of it. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Steve Hayes]

On 20 May 2016 at 14:10, Carol Boswell wrote:

> Sounds good, but how do you make it automatically sync?  
> I use a flash drive when going to the Family History Library and download to
> my PC.  If everything is onGoogleDrive, can I work with it from there and have
> it automatically back up to my PC and/or flash drive? This is new to me. 
> Thanks, Carol

I have used Dropbox for some years now. 

When I am working on the files I turn off syncing, because it syncs with 
every change you make, and that slows the machine and costs more in 
bandwidth. As soon as I close the file, I turn syncing on again. 

Last year we went on a long tip, and worked in many places where there was no 
Internet access, but as soon as we got access, my files were synced to 
Dropbox, and to my desktop computer back home when my son turned it on to 
read his e-mail. That could be useful if I dropped my laptop in the river or 
something. It means that there were three copies of any file -- one on my 
desktop, one on my laptop and one on the server. In some cases four copies, 
because my wife's computer also synced tom some of them. 

Unfortunately Dropbox will stop working in August, so I'll have to revert to 
flash drives and batch files to transfer my working files from my desktop to 
my laptop and vice versa, and will lose my off-site backup as well. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Gene Rampale]

I use Microsoft's SyncToy 2.1 to manage multiple backup copies.
Official Microsoft download here:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=15155 or Google
SyncToy 2.1, but only download from Microsoft's site.
You setup file pairs. My Legacy files are in my Family Tree folder on my
google drive. One folder pair syncs between Google drive and OneDrive, the
second pair goes to my portable backup drive, and the third to my network
storage array (IT Pro by career). Use the ECHO mode to keep all the folders
the same. If you would like detailed directions, let me know I could cook
up some screen shots. The wizard will walk you through the process.

You can never have too many copies of your data.

Gene

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Anne,
>
> you should be able to get over the different Dropbox path for each person
> for the media easily enough.
> You could all have the same path to Dropbox if you all moved it.
> See Dropbox Preferences - Account - Location.
> I have mine at D:\Documents\Dropbox but if it were important to have the
> same path on different machines, I'd put it at D:\Dropbox.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> Anne Lo Forte Willson wrote:
>
>
> I have been using Dropbox for several years now. I maintain our main
> Legacy file there. Each family member can access it (my father, my
> sister, my brother) Legacy automatically saves backups to each
> person's local computer drive but the master file is in the cloud.
> There are three issues that I know of. 1. Two people working in the
> file at the same time, 2. Media files with exact addresses, 3. Syncing
>
> So, for #1: Dropbox allows two people to work on the file at the same
> time, but whoever closes their file first retains the master name,
> while for the person who closes second Dropbox creates a second file
> and adds the additional name of 'Anne's conflicted copy' to the main
> file name. If this ever occurs, you can use Legacy's compare files
> tool to see any differences between the two files. Google Drive
> doesn't allow two people to have the same file open. I'm not sure how
> Microsoft OneDrive works.
>
> #2: Legacy uses exact addresses for media files, so if I log in on my
> computer it looks like the files are in
> c://Windows/users/Anne/Dropbox/Pictures...but if my brother logs in,
> the pictures are in c://Windows/users/brother/Dropbox/Pictures, so
> Legacy doesn't have the correct address and cannot find them.
>
> Both of these issues are not a problem if you are the only person who
> uses the Legacy file and y ou have the same file structure for any
> system you log in on.
>
> #3: syncing can be automatic or not it depends on how you set it up.
> If you have it off, then you will need manually sync your files every
> time you open or close Legacy so that whatever system you use is using
> the latest version of your file. With automatic sync on, you only need
> to be connected to the Internet and it will keep your cloud file at
> the latest version.
>
> Anne
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 20, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Martha Graham  > wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
> I have been using Legacy with the 'core files' in my dropbox for many
> years.
> I have Legacy 8-Deluxe installed on two pc's - one is a laptop.
> By having the core files in the db, they sync automatically and are
> available on either system. It works very well - I also have a
> sep arate backup folder in the db and one on an external hard drive -
> this way if the external hd goes belly up, I still have my backup's
> in the drop box. And a GedCom folder in two places as well.
> Martha
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Cathy Pinner]

Anne,

you should be able to get over the different Dropbox path for each 
person for the media easily enough.

You could all have the same path to Dropbox if you all moved it.
See Dropbox Preferences - Account - Location.
I have mine at D:\Documents\Dropbox but if it were important to have the 
same path on different machines, I'd put it at D:\Dropbox.


Cathy


Anne Lo Forte Willson wrote:


I have been using Dropbox for several years now. I maintain our main
Legacy file there. Each family member can access it (my father, my
sister, my brother) Legacy automatically saves backups to each
person's local computer drive but the master file is in the cloud.
There are three issues that I know of. 1. Two people working in the
file at the same time, 2. Media files with exact addresses, 3. Syncing

So, for #1: Dropbox allows two people to work on the file at the same
time, but whoever closes their file first retains the master name,
while for the person who closes second Dropbox creates a second file
and adds the additional name of 'Anne's conflicted copy' to the main
file name. If this ever occurs, you can use Legacy's compare files
tool to see any differences between the two files. Google Drive
doesn't allow two people to have the same file open. I'm not sure how
Microsoft OneDrive works.

#2: Legacy uses exact addresses for media files, so if I log in on my
computer it looks like the files are in
c://Windows/users/Anne/Dropbox/Pictures...but if my brother logs in,
the pictures are in c://Windows/users/brother/Dropbox/Pictures, so
Legacy doesn't have the correct address and cannot find them.

Both of these issues are not a problem if you are the only person who
uses the Legacy file and you have the same file structure for any
system you log in on.

#3: syncing can be automatic or not it depends on how you set it up.
If you have it off, then you will need manually sync your files every
time you open or close Legacy so that whatever system you use is using
the latest version of your file. With automatic sync on, you only need
to be connected to the Internet and it will keep your cloud file at
the latest version.

Anne


Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Martha Graham > wrote:



Hello,
I have been using Legacy with the 'core files' in my dropbox for many
years.
I have Legacy 8-Deluxe installed on two pc's - one is a laptop.
By having the core files in the db, they sync automatically and are
available on either system. It works very well - I also have a
separate backup folder in the db and one on an external hard drive -
this way if the external hd goes belly up, I still have my backup's
in the drop box. And a GedCom folder in two places as well.
Martha
In Los Osos, CA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Anne Lo Forte Willson]

I have been using Dropbox for several years now.  I maintain our main Legacy 
file there.  Each family member can access it (my father, my sister, my 
brother) Legacy automatically saves backups to each person's local computer 
drive but the master file is in the cloud.  There are three issues that I know 
of. 1. Two people working in the file at the same time, 2. Media files with 
exact addresses, 3. Syncing 

So, for #1: Dropbox allows two people to work on the file at the same time, but 
whoever closes their file first retains the master name, while for the person 
who closes second Dropbox creates a second file and adds the additional name of 
'Anne's conflicted copy' to the main file name. If this ever occurs, you can 
use Legacy's compare files tool to see any differences between the two files.  
Google Drive doesn't allow two people to have the same file open.  I'm not sure 
how Microsoft OneDrive works.

#2: Legacy uses exact addresses for media files, so if I log in on my computer 
it looks like the files are in c://Windows/users/Anne/Dropbox/Pictures...but if 
my brother logs in, the pictures are in 
c://Windows/users/brother/Dropbox/Pictures, so Legacy doesn't have the correct 
address and cannot find them.

Both of these issues are not a problem if you are the only person who uses the 
Legacy file and you have the same file structure for any system you log in on.

#3: syncing can be automatic or not it depends on how you set it up.  If you 
have it off, then you will need manually sync your files every time you open or 
close Legacy so that whatever system you use is using the latest version of 
your file. With automatic sync on, you only need to be connected to the 
Internet and it will keep your cloud file at the latest version.

Anne


Sent from my iPad

> On May 20, 2016, at 2:20 PM, Martha Graham  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have been using Legacy with the 'core files' in my dropbox for many years.
> I have Legacy 8-Deluxe installed on two pc's - one is a laptop.
>  
> By having the core files in the db, they sync automatically and are available 
> on either system. It works very well - I also have a separate backup folder 
> in the db and one on an external hard drive - this way if the external hd 
> goes belly up, I still have my backup's in the drop box. And a GedCom folder 
> in two places as well.
>  
> Martha
> In Los Osos, CA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Martha Graham]

Hello,
I have been using Legacy with the 'core files' in my dropbox for many 
years.

I have Legacy 8-Deluxe installed on two pc's - one is a laptop.

By having the core files in the db, they sync automatically and are 
available on either system. It works very well - I also have a separate 
backup folder in the db and one on an external hard drive - this way if 
the external hd goes belly up, I still have my backup's in the drop box. 
And a GedCom folder in two places as well.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Carol Boswell]

Sounds good, but how do you make it automatically sync?  
I use a flash drive when going to the Family History Library and download to my 
PC.  If everything is onGoogleDrive, can I work with it from there and have it 
automatically back up to my PC and/or flash drive?
This is new to me.  
Thanks,
Carol

From: nodakgeneal...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 15:05:12 -0500
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

I use Legacy on two different Windows computers and keep the data file in a 
local folder that syncs to Google Drive.
On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Carol Boswell <rsca...@hotmail.com> wrote:



Greetings,
Is it advisable and/or possible to use Legacy entirely from one's cloud 
storage, such asGoogle.drive or Dropbox?  Or is it only for storing and 
retrieving media?
Thanks,
Carol Boswell 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Poppke Genealogy]

I use Legacy on two different Windows computers and keep the data file in a
local folder that syncs to Google Drive.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Carol Boswell  wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Is it advisable and/or possible to use Legacy entirely from one's cloud
> storage, such as
> Google.drive or Dropbox?  Or is it only for storing and retrieving media?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carol Boswell
>
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[LegacyUG] Cloud Storage

[Carol Boswell]

Greetings,
Is it advisable and/or possible to use Legacy entirely from one's cloud 
storage, such asGoogle.drive or Dropbox?  Or is it only for storing and 
retrieving media?
Thanks,
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