Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Hi Steve, I think Inna has worries to submit her ID through an insecure online channel. I know the contact form use HTTPS but is there a way that she use the PGP encryption feature that Facebook announced lately? Thank you. Hassen On 04 يول, 2015 ص 03:54, Steve Weis wrote: Hello Inna. I work at Facebook and have contacted you from my work account. I'm not in a position to discuss the merits of the policy. Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Inna Malina p.i...@lycos.com mailto:p.i...@lycos.com wrote: I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don’t pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can’t expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: “Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin.” https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: “Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny.” https://www.change.org/p/facebook-allow-performers-to-use-their-stage-names-on-their-facebook-accounts People using aboriginal names were discriminated by Facebook too. http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/facebook-flags-aboriginal-names-as-not-authentic-1.2970993 Just few days back, on June 30, Zuckerberg explained: “If your friends all call you by a nickname and you want to use that name on Facebook, you should be able to do that,” he said. In this case, he said, the policy “should be able to support everyone using their own real names, including everyone in the transgender community.” So it is not clear anymore, is Zuckerberg lying to Facebook users or is he simply ignorant of what his staff does. *When will Facebook start treating its users with basic respect, when will it stop political blocking and discrimination?* -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu mailto:compa...@stanford.edu. -- Hassen Selmi Incident Security Handler Access | accessnow.org Helpline PGP ID: 0x32E8A2BC Helpline PGP Fingerprint: 6CE6 221C 98EC F399 A04C 41B8 C46B ED33 32E8 A2BC Personal PGP ID: 0x3EF06D5C Personal PGP Fingerprint: AE55 2E3E 884A AFED 17A6 23B1 D7CA 4CBD 3EF0 6D5C
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Is there an appropriate way to call for Facebook to be more transparent about their data security and rentention policies? My concern here is not that Facebook wouldn't use SSL to collect an ID, but why they can demand the ID in the first place. Do they treat the ID (sensitive data) differently than just an email attachment? Who has access to it? How do they delete it? Do they have a big hard drive filled with ID documents? Will they share ID information with governments when subpoenaed? There are many more questions, but Facebook would do well to at least answer these to start with. On 7/4/15 12:03 PM, Hassen wrote: Hi Steve, I think Inna has worries to submit her ID through an insecure online channel. I know the contact form use HTTPS but is there a way that she use the PGP encryption feature that Facebook announced lately? Thank you. Hassen On 04 يول, 2015 ص 03:54, Steve Weis wrote: Hello Inna. I work at Facebook and have contacted you from my work account. I'm not in a position to discuss the merits of the policy. Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Inna Malina p.i...@lycos.com mailto:p.i...@lycos.com wrote: I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don’t pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can’t expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: “Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin.” https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: “Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny.” https://www.change.org/p/facebook-allow-performers-to-use-their-stage-names-on-their-facebook-accounts People using aboriginal names were discriminated by Facebook too. http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/facebook-flags-aboriginal-names-as-not-authentic-1.2970993 Just few days back, on June 30, Zuckerberg explained: “If your friends all call you by a nickname and you want to use that name on Facebook, you should be able to do that,” he said. In this case, he said, the policy “should be able to support everyone using their own real names, including everyone in the transgender community.” So it is not clear anymore, is Zuckerberg lying to Facebook users or is he simply ignorant of what his staff does. *When will Facebook start treating its users with basic respect, when will it stop political blocking and
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
These are all valid points from aestetix and I am questioning the legality and security of mining government and other personal identification documents by Facebook. Who guarantees their safety? With the identity theft on a rise, why I am forced to submit ID online? Who will guarantee my and my family safety if my personal data becomes accessible to Putin trolls? I called non-emergency line for police in Canada. They did not recommend to submit any ID online, second, they could not locate any phone number for Facebook. By submitting my IDs, the issue won't be resolved. I think Facebook should really look at their policies and invest into a HelpDesk where those issues can be addressed with real people instead of users seeking help all over Internet in another country and through media. It is 4th day I am locked out and there is no end to it. Happy Independence Day to our friends in US! Kind regards, Inna On 2015-07-04 4:11 am, aestetix wrote: Is there an appropriate way to call for Facebook to be more transparent about their data security and rentention policies? My concern here is not that Facebook wouldn't use SSL to collect an ID, but why they can demand the ID in the first place. Do they treat the ID (sensitive data) differently than just an email attachment? Who has access to it? How do they delete it? Do they have a big hard drive filled with ID documents? Will they share ID information with governments when subpoenaed? There are many more questions, but Facebook would do well to at least answer these to start with. On 7/4/15 12:03 PM, Hassen wrote: Hi Steve, I think Inna has worries to submit her ID through an insecure online channel. I know the contact form use HTTPS but is there a way that she use the PGP encryption feature that Facebook announced lately? Thank you. Hassen On 04 يول, 2015 ص 03:54, Steve Weis wrote: Hello Inna. I work at Facebook and have contacted you from my work account. I'm not in a position to discuss the merits of the policy. Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 [1] For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Inna Malina p.i...@lycos.com mailto:p.i...@lycos.com wrote: I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don't pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can't expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook [2] Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny.
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
If I knew Facebook will abuse me like this, I would have quit it long ago. However, with the war in Ukraine, we use Facebook to combat propaganda, plan and coordinate global protests, raise funds to support those who suffered from war. At this point, it will be detrimental not to be able to continue with those activities. On 2015-07-04 12:24 pm, Al Billings wrote: Maybe people should just not use Facebook? -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Facebook has 1.19 billion monthly active users, making it the largest community on Earth. Activists will need to use it despite not agreeing or not being able to comply with their stupid real name policy. On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com wrote: Maybe people should just not use Facebook? -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Steve, I don't expect a public reply to the comments I'm writing below, but perhaps internally at FB you might make some headway. You write: Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. An activist using a pseudonym on Facebook and working in a country or situation where it is dangerous to reveal their identity would be smart to not have *any* personally identifying information tied to their account at all. Facebook would do well to get rid of any name or identity requirements and instead focus on how users are behaving. Reporting based solely on behavior can still be abused so there should be some threshold to meet before an account is suspended. Facebook is a large, profitable company. Surely they can afford to beef up the staff handling account suspensions so that more actual human review takes place *before* situations like these occur. On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Steve Weis stevew...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Inna. I work at Facebook and have contacted you from my work account. I'm not in a position to discuss the merits of the policy. Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Inna Malina p.i...@lycos.com wrote: I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don’t pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can’t expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: “Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin.” https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: “Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny.” https://www.change.org/p/facebook-allow-performers-to-use-their-stage-names-on-their-facebook-accounts People using aboriginal names were discriminated by Facebook too. http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/facebook-flags-aboriginal-names-as-not-authentic-1.2970993 Just few days back, on June 30, Zuckerberg explained: “If your friends all call you by a nickname and you want to use that name on Facebook, you should be able to do that,” he said. In this case, he said, the policy “should be able to support everyone using their own real names, including everyone in the transgender community.” So it is not clear anymore, is Zuckerberg lying to Facebook users or is he simply ignorant of what his staff does. *When will Facebook start treating its users with basic respect, when will it stop political blocking and discrimination?* -- Liberationtech is
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Maybe people should just not use Facebook? -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Obviously Facebook senior management wants to run it cheap, put their users at risk and put their staff into a position where they have to enforce for them discriminatory and possible illegal procedures and policies. How about investing like real companies do into an actual HelpDesk instead of demanding what a government agency or employer would do. Facebook, you don't employ me or own me! You don't provide my health care either! Why do I need to submit my ID?! Where is phone number and real people to talk to?! Anyone who have ever requested my ID had an office or desk I could come to. This anarchy should stop. On 2015-07-04 12:30 pm, Heather Akers-Healy wrote: Facebook has 1.19 billion monthly active users, making it the largest community on Earth. Activists will need to use it despite not agreeing or not being able to comply with their stupid real name policy. On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com wrote: Maybe people should just not use Facebook? -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech [1]. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu. Links: -- [1] https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
I also have an example of the same problem with negligence in FB account blocking policy. One of the technical activists who supported civil society in Ukraine and help them with cyber defence get blocked by FB by reason of providing ID for unblock. It is obvious that it was happend by some outside claim from well-wishers, but it is absolutely impossible to contact FB directly with explanations and he is completely rule out sending them any of his IDs, becouse it is a question of his personal safety. Very pity situation when many people suffer from burocracy of others. 03.07.2015 13:09, Arzak Khan пишет: I think Facebook real name policy is very hypocritical and is negative against activists working in regions like yourself and ours in Pakistan. We also have a list of Facebook users and activists pages that have been blocked on reports of government supported trolls. I am not sure if you can unblock your ID by submitting a letter only as a user is required as per their policy to submit a photo identification document. Anyone on the list have any experience with it? Cheers! Arzak Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:57:13 -0600 From: p.i...@lycos.com To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?! I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don’t pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can’t expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: “Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin.” https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: “Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny.” https://www.change.org/p/facebook-allow-performers-to-use-their-stage-names-on-their-facebook-accounts People using aboriginal names were discriminated by Facebook too. http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/facebook-flags-aboriginal-names-as-not-authentic-1.2970993 Just few days back, on June 30, Zuckerberg explained: “If your friends all call you by a nickname and you want to use that name on Facebook, you should be able to do that,” he said. In this case, he said, the policy “should be able to support everyone using their own real names, including everyone in the transgender community.” So it is not clear anymore, is Zuckerberg lying to Facebook users or is he simply ignorant of what his staff does. When will Facebook start treating its users with basic respect, when will it stop political blocking and discrimination? -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
I don't have membership card with my birth-date on, I only have driving license, health card and passport with my birthday on. I don't remember seeing any membership cards here with birthdate on. Heather is raising important points. I also tried to have an alternative FB account and I was locked out there too two days ago. I wonder if someone is praying on me via my IP address. All of this is more than frustrating. Facebook should treat its users with basic respect. I feel none of that, Thank you, Inna On 2015-07-04 10:57 am, Heather Akers-Healy wrote: Steve, I don't expect a public reply to the comments I'm writing below, but perhaps internally at FB you might make some headway. You write: Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 [1] For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. An activist using a pseudonym on Facebook and working in a country or situation where it is dangerous to reveal their identity would be smart to not have *any* personally identifying information tied to their account at all. Facebook would do well to get rid of any name or identity requirements and instead focus on how users are behaving. Reporting based solely on behavior can still be abused so there should be some threshold to meet before an account is suspended. Facebook is a large, profitable company. Surely they can afford to beef up the staff handling account suspensions so that more actual human review takes place *before* situations like these occur. On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Steve Weis stevew...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Inna. I work at Facebook and have contacted you from my work account. I'm not in a position to discuss the merits of the policy. Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 [1] For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Inna Malina p.i...@lycos.com wrote: I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don't pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can't expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook [2] Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-allow-performers-to-use-their-stage-names-on-their-facebook-accounts [3] People using aboriginal names were discriminated by Facebook too.
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
On July 4, 2015 11:24:46 AM Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com wrote: Maybe people should just not use Facebook? People should just not use Facebook. Fixed that for you! -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
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Hello Hassan. The PGP encryption feature is used only for outbound email from Facebook. For example, password reset emails sent to you may be encrypted. I think in this case, submitting documentation over TLS is preferable to attaching it in a PGP-encrypted email both for security and usability. If it was the case where I could only submit sensitive documents via email or a shared file system, then PGP would make complete sense. On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 3:03 AM, Hassen has...@accessnow.org wrote: I think Inna has worries to submit her ID through an insecure online channel. I know the contact form use HTTPS but is there a way that she use the PGP encryption feature that Facebook announced lately? -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Dear Steve, Thank you for your response. Finally a real person from Facebook to talk to. I am completely locked out (since mid-day July 1, 2015) and I received two more e-mails presumably from Facebook or someone impersonating it under name Kalin. How I can trust my ID to someone who does not even state a real name. I no longer have access to a Facebook dashboard referred to in those e-mails. I wrote to Facebook that I will show any ID in person or Skype, but no ID will be submitted to be stored in some database, security of which I am not assured off. I looked at the Option 2: * Check * Credit card * Employment verification * Social Security card * Paycheck stub * etc I really wonder legality of such requests. As per real name policy, June 30, 2015 Zuckerberg explained: If your friends all call you by a nickname and you want to use that name on Facebook, you should be able to do that. So I am really confused now. Is Mr. Zuckerberg lying to his users or is he ignorant of what Faebook staff does. I don't want my name change on Facebook to be forced upon me. I am also questioning the legality of mining government IDs of users. There are zillions fake accounts with no activity on timeline, with no photos and few friends to harass other people, like myself. Yet, they get a green light and I get penalized. It is obvious to anyone who would look at my account, that it is indeed not a fake identity. Why do I need to submit my credit card or SIN number to prove the opposite. It is discriminatory and possible illegal. I think we have a juicy lawsuit emerging here. I would appreciate if you could communicate this issue up to those who are responsible for setting up such discriminatory policies. Thank you, Inna On 2015-07-03 8:54 pm, Steve Weis wrote: Hello Inna. I work at Facebook and have contacted you from my work account. I'm not in a position to discuss the merits of the policy. Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 [5] For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Inna Malina p.i...@lycos.com wrote: I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don't pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can't expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook [1] Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-allow-performers-to-use-their-stage-names-on-their-facebook-accounts
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Dear Steve, Thank you for your response. Finally a real person from Facebook to talk to. I am completely locked out (since mid-day July 1, 2015) and I received two more e-mails presumably from Facebook or someone impersonating it under name Kalin. How I can trust my ID to someone who does not even state a real name. I no longer have access to a Facebook dashboard referred to in those e-mails. I wrote to Facebook that I will show any ID in person or Skype, but no ID will be submitted to be stored in some database, security of which I am not assured off. I looked at the Option 2: * Check * Credit card * Employment verification * Social Security card * Paycheck stub * etc I really wonder legality of such requests. As per real name policy, June 30, 2015 Zuckerberg explained: If your friends all call you by a nickname and you want to use that name on Facebook, you should be able to do that. So I am really confused now. Is Mr. Zuckerberg lying to his users or is he ignorant of what Faebook staff does. I don't want my name change on Facebook to be forced upon me. I am also questioning the legality of mining government IDs of users. There are zillions fake accounts with no activity on timeline, with no photos and few friends to harass other people, like myself. Yet, they get a green light and I get penalized. It is obvious to anyone who would look at my account, that it is indeed not a fake identity. Why do I need to submit my credit card or SIN number to prove the opposite. It is discriminatory and possible illegal. I think we have a juicy lawsuit emerging here. I would appreciate if you could communicate this issue up to those who are responsible for setting up such discriminatory policies. Thank you, Inna On 2015-07-03 8:54 pm, Steve Weis wrote: Hello Inna. I work at Facebook and have contacted you from my work account. I'm not in a position to discuss the merits of the policy. Regardless, for future reference, under Option 2 there is a set of acceptable forms of ID that are not government issued: https://www.facebook.com/help/159096464162185 [5] For example, a membership card with your birthdate and a piece of mail would suffice. On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Inna Malina p.i...@lycos.com wrote: I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don't pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can't expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook [1] Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-allow-performers-to-use-their-stage-names-on-their-facebook-accounts
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
We should change these rules. Facebook should review and improve their policies so they don't discriminate people and should invest into proper Help Desk with human beings reviewing the cases, not automatic blocking. I wonder what might help Facebook, a lawsuit in Canada maybe? On 2015-07-04 3:15 pm, A.Chukin wrote: I also have an example of the same problem with negligence in FB account blocking policy. One of the technical activists who supported civil society in Ukraine and help them with cyber defence get blocked by FB by reason of providing ID for unblock. It is obvious that it was happend by some outside claim from well-wishers, but it is absolutely impossible to contact FB directly with explanations and he is completely rule out sending them any of his IDs, becouse it is a question of his personal safety. Very pity situation when many people suffer from burocracy of others. 03.07.2015 13:09, Arzak Khan пишет: I think Facebook real name policy is very hypocritical and is negative against activists working in regions like yourself and ours in Pakistan. We also have a list of Facebook users and activists pages that have been blocked on reports of government supported trolls. I am not sure if you can unblock your ID by submitting a letter only as a user is required as per their policy to submit a photo identification document. Anyone on the list have any experience with it? Cheers! Arzak Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:57:13 -0600 From: p.i...@lycos.com To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?! I am a Ukrainian Canadian activist and my country of origin is at war. I created several groups on Facebook, including Russian Speaking Canada for Peace, a political forum, which debunks Kremlin run propaganda, and has over 1800 members. I also run fundraisers on Facebook to help orphaned children evacuated from war-torn areas of Ukraine. I am on Facebook since 2007 and don't pretend to be someone I am not: the birthday, contact info, photos are all mine and my friends know who I am. When Russia invaded and annexed Ukrainian territory Crimea, I changed my legal last name to a pseudonym, to protect my family and people I work with outside social media from bullying by Putin supporters, since the threats and bullying online were/are abundant. Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather uncomfortable sending my identification documents via insecure online channels. I did add that I can show them to a legitimate representative or even in Skype, but they can't expect a photocopy of a driving license or social insurance card to be e-mailed or submitted through some suspicious form online. Only last month Facebook has come under fire for biased political blocking of accounts of Russian opposition and Ukrainian activists who are constantly cyber-attacked by the paid army of Putin trolls. The petition, which has already collected close to 15000 signatures, states: Facebook indiscriminately reacts to these reports by blocking the accounts of prominent Ukrainian public figures and Russian dissenters. Lately, the bans have become so frequent that we can now claim that Facebook has become an efficient tool of the Kremlin. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-stop-political-blocking-on-facebook [1] Facebook real name policy has also come under scrutiny multiple times and has been called discriminatory. Petition by performers, which collected over 4 signatures asserts: Facebook tells us that it looks like you're not using your real name, before requiring us to change it. We cannot emphasize enough that Facebook is a poor arbiter of what is or isn't a real name. Performers with legitimate-appearing names get locked out of their accounts while people with account names like Jane ICanBeBadAllByMyself Doe go without scrutiny. https://www.change.org/p/facebook-allow-performers-to-use-their-stage-names-on-their-facebook-accounts [2] People using aboriginal names were discriminated by Facebook too. http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/facebook-flags-aboriginal-names-as-not-authentic-1.2970993 [3] Just few days back, on June 30, Zuckerberg explained: If your friends all call you by a nickname and you want to use that name on Facebook, you should be able to do that, he said. In this case, he said, the policy should be able to support everyone using their own real names, including everyone in the transgender community. So it is not clear anymore, is Zuckerberg lying to Facebook users or is he simply ignorant of what his staff does. When will Facebook start treating its users with basic respect, when will it stop political blocking and discrimination? Links:
Re: [liberationtech] Can anyone help me get my account unblocked on Facebook?!
Il 03/07/2015 05:57, Inna Malina ha scritto: hi :) Yesterday, on Canada Day, Facebook blocked my account (obviously following a report from someone who tries to stop my activism) and demanded to confirm my name by submitting my ID online. Instead of ID I submitted a letter saying that I get regular threats and feel rather activism, or hacktivism, or people that report, isnt the answer, but the answer is new facebook's policy and a software that is seraching random people that NOT stay signed with *real name and surname*. with the nickname, for exemple :) and for more BAD, seems the policy is RETROACTIVE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_real-name_policy_controversy http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/29/facebooks-real-names-policy-is-legal-but-its-also-problematic-for-free-speech mine the same, but i think in italy only DIGOS/POLICE/VATTELAVA can ask me a document ID, or a bank :D i dont upload a document neither if they become purple, but a LOT of people are doing for take their account. i'm on third one, and i will go until they will die. lol yep, i'm an hacktivist, but they dont care, they care profiling and tracking, and send notices to police o other shit regarding JOB, for exemple. or for business. i'm in hackerberg mode_on. cheers, lilo -- lilo http://wiki.debian.org/LILO X-LiLo /Informatica Sociale/Social Engineering Attack N@onis Team /Consulenza Fiscale e del Lavoro Ordine Consulenti del Lavoro 2586 centro autorizzato CAF CDL srl 00067 ScosseCAF scosse.org @Casa Internazionale delle Donne e' tutto calcolato, ma non funziona niente. bit in rebels = devuan.org *nuova* PGP-KEY-ID [RSA4096]: 0x0A0E6F2A FINGERPRINT: 0CDE C1F3 4961 0B26 5B7A 3F1E 7033 7472 0A0E 6F2A server: hkp pool.sks-keyservers.net -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
