Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
Quoting e2xbegqsdyt21hfc, from the post of Mon, 16 Feb: Didn't you meant to say that you are tired of the poor results and low return of your many efforts? Are we now allowing both noobs AND trolls? nobody sent me the memo. -- Sith Lord Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
PDF compression tool
Hi all, I need a PDF files compression tool on Linux. I was able to locate some tools that really do a good job on MS but all my searches for descent tool on Linux were to no avail. Israel Shikler phone: 972-3-5348938 fax: 972-3-5348967 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: No noobs?
noobs should die. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: While referring a new Linux user to the Linux-il mailing list, I found this text on the page: No newbie questions (use gnubies-il instead). Can the lists be merged? This list is low enough traffic that doubling it should not be a problem, and the separation of noobs and gurus means that few gurus see the noobs posts, and they never get the help that they need. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Not gonna be king of the world if you're slave to the grind - Skid Row ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: PDF compression tool
From apt-cache show pdftk: [...] - Uncompress and re-compress page streams No experience whatsoever. What is the windows tool that does the job? -- Arie 2009/2/17 Israel Shikler soft...@netvision.net.il Hi all, I need a PDF files compression tool on Linux. I was able to locate some tools that really do a good job on MS but all my searches for descent tool on Linux were to no avail. Israel Shikler phone: 972-3-5348938 fax: 972-3-5348967 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: PDF compression tool
Israel Shikler wrote: Hi all, I need a PDF files compression tool on Linux. I was able to locate some tools that really do a good job on MS but all my searches for descent tool on Linux were to no avail. pdftk can compress and uncompress PDF streams: http://www.pdfhacks.com/pdftk/ Cheers -- Meir Kriheli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Cell net use at home
Hi, As a follow-up to Geoff's post the other day about using one of the cell providers' offerings for home internet access, I thought I'd post this device... http://www.option.com/en/products/products/wireless-routers/x1/about/#start A cell-to-wifi/ethernet router. I'd buy one if they were available. I wonder how long until an Israel cell provider offers one? Also, the Cellcom pricing Geoff mentioned is no longer the same. They have 3 modems available, with the price folded into the service cost. 2 of them are 129/month and the third is 139, including service and modem. They now require an 18-month contract, and the small print says traffic is unlimited from a mobile computer. I'm not sure they'd be happy with me, running bittorrent 24/7 :) Also, has anyone had success with VoIP over one of these connections? --sambo ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: No noobs?
No. Trolls should die (noobs or not). Boaz. On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:47:32 +0200, Jacob Broido wrote: noobs should die. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: While referring a new Linux user to the Linux-il mailing list, I found this text on the page: No newbie questions (use gnubies-il instead). Can the lists be merged? This list is low enough traffic that doubling it should not be a problem, and the separation of noobs and gurus means that few gurus see the noobs posts, and they never get the help that they need. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com [2] http://gibberish.co.il [3] א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il [4] http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il [5] -- Not gonna be king of the world if you're slave to the grind - Skid Row Links: -- [1] mailto:dotanco...@gmail.com [2] http://what-is-what.com [3] http://gibberish.co.il [4] mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il [5] http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:08:18AM +0200, sammy ominsky wrote: As a follow-up to Geoff's post the other day about using one of the cell providers' offerings for home internet access, I thought I'd post this device... Thanks, I was wondering if there was such a thing. I was going to ask, but never got a round to it. :-) http://www.option.com/en/products/products/wireless-routers/x1/about/#start A cell-to-wifi/ethernet router. I'd buy one if they were available. I wonder how long until an Israel cell provider offers one? http://www.betelecom.co.il/?page_id=8 Anyone want to call and see if they actually sell them? I wonder if one can hack a WiFi router with a custom linux distro to do it, had a USB port? Is there such a thing as a Linksys newer version of the WRT54GL with a USB port? Also, the Cellcom pricing Geoff mentioned is no longer the same. They have 3 modems available, with the price folded into the service cost. 2 of them are 129/month and the third is 139, including service and modem. They now require an 18-month contract, and the small print says traffic is unlimited from a mobile computer. Ok, does that mobile computer have to be moving? Can I get a cheap laptop and sit it on a shelf? I'm not sure they'd be happy with me, running bittorrent 24/7 :) I've given up on bittorrent 24/7. I now get most of what I did on bit torrent via streaming video, which I'm sure puts a bigger load on the connection. What I do download is software distros, which can be fairly large (I go for the DVD ROM versions). Note the Orange deal I had mentioned was for LANDLINE ISP service and VoIP phone service over that landline connection. If it had included minutes you could share with your cell phone, it would be a real bargain, but it's not. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 00:33:35 Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Mon, 16 Feb: Please don't take it so hard. It's just normal artifact of a club meeting that requires no RSVP. Maybe. But I've noticed a gradual dwindling in the number of Telux attendees in the past months, and it makes me unhappy. Well, I can tell you that my favorite channel for event updates these days is an ical subscription to my Google Calendar. that way I can see it in my calendar, get a (free!) SMS reminder before the event and/or an Email to remind me a few hours or days before it (no need for mailing list) or as RSS (no need for you to feed me). We have a Google Calendar. Search for Google Calendar on http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ . I believe Google provides iCal or whatever. So you can subscribe to our calendar using most standards-compliant calendering tool. However, since Google is starting to irk me lately, that may change in favor of T-bird+lightning (I haven't tested how it handles ical subscriptions) Fair enough. You can subscribe to our iCal using it as well. I'm not on FB and won't be on it for the near future, so that's not a good option for advertising to me. Facebook is not the only way to learn of upcoming Telux activities. requiring people to RSVP probably won't work. Can't require, but you can always ask, so see if ANYONE is intending to come. if more than 5 reply, you know you are good. if none reply you may still get 5-10 people showing up, but you will know when you can lower expectations (and buy less cookies) Good idea. Regards, Shlomi Fish I realise there are fluctuations. But like I said we've been on a negative trend. Now you know how I felt back in 2000... -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/ways_to_do_it.html maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 04:57:11 e2xbegqsdyt21hfc wrote: 1) At its current state, I think the only importance of telux is having a suitable place to meet if the need arise. 2) I won't have a presentation in telux (and not else where too) in the foreseeable future. 3) I doubt if I will come to a meeting in telux (and not else where too) in the foreseeble future 4) I will understand, and won't take it against you, if you stop. I see. I'm tired of being the only one who cares and volunteers. Shlomi Fish How can you say that when others come to hear and give talks? Didn't you meant to say that you are tired of the poor results and low return of your many efforts? It's a form of expression and it was partly my frustration talking. Naturally, there are other people who volunteer, but not too many and not often and consistently enough. BTW, people who look at your Yahoo username may think you're a spammer or a script kiddie or whatever. That was my first thought before I read the rest of your email. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ The Human Hacking Field Guide - http://xrl.us/bjn8q maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
On 17/02/2009, at 11:41, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: including service and modem. They now require an 18-month contract, and the small print says traffic is unlimited from a mobile computer. Ok, does that mobile computer have to be moving? Can I get a cheap laptop and sit it on a shelf? I assume they mean on-and-off usage as you would normally see from a mobile computer. Because I was frankly thinking to use their service using a laptop as router for my home. Still am, but I want to find out about VoIP potential and performance first. I've given up on bittorrent 24/7. I now get most of what I did on bit torrent via streaming video But for streaming video you have to be sitting at the computer! I have files I can put on a USB key and plug into the DVD player connected tot he TV in the public areas of the house instead of inviting everyone into my office :) Much preferred for me. As a side note, I have 469 open torrents right now. --sambo ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [METADISCUSSION] Re: No noobs?
I am rather worried that the experts' Linux-IL mailing list will be swamped by questions like Why does Linux refuse to execute my Python script when it turns out that he did not give it execute permission, wrote mypythonscript.py rather than ./mypythonscript.py and misformatted the bang-exclamation line (#!/usr/bin/python). That was the situation five years ago. Now the questions will be how do I make the taskbar look more like Windows or what should I use to burn a disc. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
I wonder if one can hack a WiFi router with a custom linux distro to do it, had a USB port? Is there such a thing as a Linksys newer version of the WRT54GL with a USB port? I just bought a D-Link DIR-320: 300 NIS, Wifi, USB printer server, runs all the Linux firmware. I'm so happy that I made it a cake. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
I have just bought an 8Gb SanDisk Cruzer Micro (USB 2.0) disk on key. I plugged it in my computer, the reassuring red light came on but Ubuntu 8.10 did not recognize it. Surprising as a disk-on-key should not have such issues. Especially one with a Penguin on the box! I searched a bit and found a couple of links, none of them really reassuring. Any idea what should I do? /var/messages got this: Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.060061] usb 5-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12 Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.193298] usb 5-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.194612] scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.197065] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.198271] scsi 3:0:0:1: CD-ROM SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.199906] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15682559 512-byte hardware sectors (8029 MB) Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.200830] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.203281] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15682559 512-byte hardware sectors (8029 MB) Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.204154] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.205040] sdb: sdb1 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.206527] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.207068] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.211289] sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x tray Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.212261] sr 3:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 5 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453139] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453150] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Sense Key : No Sense [current] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453158] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454385] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454390] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Sense Key : No Sense [current] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454394] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.455636] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK [... some more of these last 4 lines] regards Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:20:39PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: I just bought a D-Link DIR-320: 300 NIS, Wifi, USB printer server, runs all the Linux firmware. I'm so happy that I made it a cake. What kind? More importantly, where did you buy it? Thanks, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:06:32PM +0200, sammy ominsky wrote: But for streaming video you have to be sitting at the computer! I have files I can put on a USB key and plug into the DVD player connected tot he TV in the public areas of the house instead of inviting everyone into my office :) Much preferred for me. The family stuff gets torrented and played on a computer connected to my living room TV. The kids have a USB capable DVD player (140NIS at Home Depot) but have so far not asked for anything put on a USB stick, nor have they done it on their own. What I would love to find is a way of playing live streaming Animal Planet and Discovery SCIENCE now that YES has dropped them. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
It seems your machine recognizes the device. Could it be that a module for the actual file system is not loaded maybe? Hetz On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: I have just bought an 8Gb SanDisk Cruzer Micro (USB 2.0) disk on key. I plugged it in my computer, the reassuring red light came on but Ubuntu 8.10 did not recognize it. Surprising as a disk-on-key should not have such issues. Especially one with a Penguin on the box! I searched a bit and found a couple of links, none of them really reassuring. Any idea what should I do? /var/messages got this: Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.060061] usb 5-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12 Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.193298] usb 5-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.194612] scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.197065] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.198271] scsi 3:0:0:1: CD-ROM SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.199906] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15682559 512-byte hardware sectors (8029 MB) Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.200830] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.203281] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15682559 512-byte hardware sectors (8029 MB) Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.204154] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.205040] sdb: sdb1 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.206527] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.207068] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.211289] sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x tray Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.212261] sr 3:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 5 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453139] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453150] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Sense Key : No Sense [current] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453158] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454385] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454390] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Sense Key : No Sense [current] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454394] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.455636] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK [... some more of these last 4 lines] regards Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
Interestingly on my desktop machine it did mount it the second time I tried. On my notebook I had to manually do it: mkdir /home/gabor/x sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/gabor/x/ Gabor On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: It seems your machine recognizes the device. Could it be that a module for the actual file system is not loaded maybe? Hetz On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: I have just bought an 8Gb SanDisk Cruzer Micro (USB 2.0) disk on key. I plugged it in my computer, the reassuring red light came on but Ubuntu 8.10 did not recognize it. Surprising as a disk-on-key should not have such issues. Especially one with a Penguin on the box! I searched a bit and found a couple of links, none of them really reassuring. Any idea what should I do? /var/messages got this: Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.060061] usb 5-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12 Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.193298] usb 5-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.194612] scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.197065] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.198271] scsi 3:0:0:1: CD-ROM SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.199906] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15682559 512-byte hardware sectors (8029 MB) Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.200830] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.203281] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15682559 512-byte hardware sectors (8029 MB) Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.204154] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.205040] sdb: sdb1 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.206527] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.207068] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.211289] sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x tray Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.212261] sr 3:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 5 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453139] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453150] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Sense Key : No Sense [current] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453158] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454385] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454390] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Sense Key : No Sense [current] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454394] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.455636] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK [... some more of these last 4 lines] regards Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
Gabor Szabo wrote: I have just bought an 8Gb SanDisk Cruzer Micro (USB 2.0) disk on key. I plugged it in my computer, the reassuring red light came on but Ubuntu 8.10 did not recognize it. The messages suggest that it did. It assigned sdb to it. Why Ubuntu didn't auto mount it is an interesting question, but the drive was definitely detected. [... some more of these last 4 lines] At least on my SanDisk Cruzer, that was relatively harmless on Linux. On Windows, these lines suggest that any time you put the drive in it launches the horrible U3 system and starts messing with your files. Fortunately, there is a solution. You can download the U3 removal tool from the sandisk web site and run it (Windows only, I'm afraid, but I managed to get it to work from Virtual box by connecting the DOK directly to the windows machine). Once removed, Linux starts treating the device as a normal Disk on Key as well. Much recommended. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Good news for talented unemployed Linux System Administrator: One1 Systems/Korpel-Tal is looking for a highly motivated full-time Linux System Administrator. At least 5 years experience in LINUX (RedHat, CentOS) system administration. Experience with Sendmail, Postfix, MailScanner, Majordomo, Spamassassin, Good knowledge of Cisco IOS, Firewalls (CheckPoint, PIX/ASA, Fortinet), mail appliances (Pineapp, Esafe). Experience in hardware configuration and installation (IBM, HP, etc) Knowledge and an experience in networking, TCP/IP, switches, routers and virtualization The candidate must be a good team player, service oriented, with excellent learning skills. Please sent your CV to he...@korpel-tal.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: No noobs?
noobs should die. WTF? Were you born with a model M in your diaper? I know that there are the 'pertpetual noobs' who don't want to learn, but that is something else. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
I just bought a D-Link DIR-320: 300 NIS, Wifi, USB printer server, runs all the Linux firmware. I'm so happy that I made it a cake. What kind? Imaginary chocolate. The daughter did the imaginary mixing and imaginary baking, to be honest. More importantly, where did you buy it? http://www.logicpc.co.il/heb/itdetail.aspx?icom=13139 Actually, a week after I bought the thing we changed from Hot cables to Bezeq ADSL which includes a wireless modem/router so the only benefit I get from the D-Link is the print server. If someone in Haifa wants to save 50 NIS I'll let it go for 250 NIS. I haven't touched the firmware yet (still D-Link original) as it fits my needs. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Sattelite TV and linux (not neccesarily YES)
hi After a Few Years of receiving TV via satellite from many parts of the world, (using linux of course) I was think of giving a presentation of sattelite TV and linux do you think people will be interested ? erez. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:36:10PM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: But for streaming video you have to be sitting at the computer! I have files I can put on a USB key and plug into the DVD player connected tot he TV in the public areas of the house instead of inviting everyone into my office :) Much preferred for me. Just to amplify that, the things I watch, I can't watch with my kids around. They won't sit still for dialog and want me to change the channel, make them something to eat, etc. The only way I can watch them if they are home, is on the computer, with a set of headphones and a frequent turn it down to the one in the living room. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:21:11AM +0200, Shahar Dag wrote: Hi Can we make the gnubies-il actually an alias (or what ever) to linux-il, and configured things that every message sent to gnubies-il will have in the subject [GNUBIES]. This will: - be easy to filter gnubies questions - give the gnunies a look on more advanced subjects - give an easy was for advanced users to select which questions to answer without having to subscribe to gnubies-il. this may help make Linux more popular among new users - Given that all newbie questions are asked in various forums nowadas, this will practically add no traffic to the list. I'm in favour. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:15:37PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Imaginary chocolate. The daughter did the imaginary mixing and imaginary baking, to be honest. Sounds, good, although I prefer real ones. :-) More importantly, where did you buy it? http://www.logicpc.co.il/heb/itdetail.aspx?icom=13139 Ok, thanks. Actually, a week after I bought the thing we changed from Hot cables to Bezeq ADSL which includes a wireless modem/router so the only benefit I get from the D-Link is the print server. If someone in Haifa wants to save 50 NIS I'll let it go for 250 NIS. I haven't touched the firmware yet (still D-Link original) as it fits my needs. I'd go for it but I'm in Jerusalem. Anyone on the list willing to deliver it? Thanks, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
At least on my SanDisk Cruzer, that was relatively harmless on Linux. On Windows, these lines suggest that any time you put the drive in it launches the horrible U3 system and starts messing with your files. Fortunately, there is a solution. You can download the U3 removal tool from the sandisk web site and run it (Windows only, I'm afraid, but I managed to get it to work from Virtual box by connecting the DOK directly to the windows machine). Once removed, Linux starts treating the device as a normal Disk on Key as well. Much recommended. I second this. My 2 GB Sandisk Luzer would not mount reliably until I removed the U3. It seems that it was trying to mount itself as a CDROM with U3. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)
2009/2/17 Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il: Shahar's suggestion addresses the problem, and lets busy Linux-IL oldtimers ignore the newbies' questions. However, I am concerned about newbies, who would be confused and post using linux-il rather gnubies-il, so their messages won't be flagged. Also, how do we ensure that answers by Linux-IL oldtimers are properly marked without having them subscribe also to gnubies-il? --- Omer The problem is, what is a noob question? If I've been running Linux since 2001 (and I have- Red Hat 7,1 with KDE 2) but I still don't know how to compile a kernel (and I don't), then am I a noob? If I install Kubuntu for a friend and he wants to write a driver for his home made serial sharks-wth-frickin-lasers controller is he a noob? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sattelite TV and linux (not neccesarily YES)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:17:35PM +0200, Erez D wrote: hi After a Few Years of receiving TV via satellite from many parts of the world, (using linux of course) I was think of giving a presentation of sattelite TV and linux do you think people will be interested ? If it were in English and in Jerusalem. If it was How to receive sattelite TV, what you get, and how to use Linux to get it, you would have a lot more people come. There is a big market here for private satellite dishes, unfortunately it is served by people who sell receivers that download the decryption codes over the Internet (signal piracy). Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:14:02PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: At least on my SanDisk Cruzer, that was relatively harmless on Linux. On Windows, these lines suggest that any time you put the drive in it launches the horrible U3 system and starts messing with your files. Fortunately, there is a solution. You can download the U3 removal tool from the sandisk web site and run it (Windows only, I'm afraid, but I managed to get it to work from Virtual box by connecting the DOK directly to the windows machine). Once removed, Linux starts treating the device as a normal Disk on Key as well. Much recommended. Can you just mount the raw device and reformat it? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sattelite TV and linux (not neccesarily YES)
Erez D wrote: hi After a Few Years of receiving TV via satellite from many parts of the world, (using linux of course) I was think of giving a presentation of sattelite TV and linux do you think people will be interested ? I'm interested! Pick any Thursday in the month of May and we'll be happy to host you in Herzlinux :-) Thanks, Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: gi...@codefidence.com Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
Just to amplify that, the things I watch, I can't watch with my kids around. They won't sit still for dialog and want me to change the channel, make them something to eat, etc. Dialog in pr0n? I hate that! The only way I can watch them if they are home, is on the computer, with a set of headphones and a frequent turn it down to the one in the living room. :-) This is exactly why we do not have a television is our home! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
Hi, On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:24, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: I have just bought an 8Gb SanDisk Cruzer Micro (USB 2.0) disk on key. I plugged it in my computer, the reassuring red light came on but Ubuntu 8.10 did not recognize it. [...] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.205040] sdb: sdb1 [...] If you have an entry for manual mount of /dev/sdb1 device in your /etc/fstab, then ubuntu would never automount the device. -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:42:07PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: The problem is, what is a noob question? If I've been running Linux since 2001 (and I have- Red Hat 7,1 with KDE 2) but I still don't know how to compile a kernel (and I don't), then am I a noob? If I install Kubuntu for a friend and he wants to write a driver for his home made serial sharks-wth-frickin-lasers controller is he a noob? Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new user. As for writing a driver, it's not a noob thing, it's not even an expert thing. I expect that the number of people who have even read a driver's source code on this list could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)
Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new user. As for writing a driver, it's not a noob thing, it's not even an expert thing. I expect that the number of people who have even read a driver's source code on this list could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Exactly. The distinction between noob and experienced posts is too blurry today to justify two lists. Especially when there is essentially _no_traffic_ on the noobs list (I subscribed yesterday and there have been no messages so far). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 01:07 +0200, guy keren wrote: Gilboa Davara wrote: On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote: I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.). So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :) --yuval Yey! I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope. Now I can finally remove ies4linux! Thanks for the update. - Gilboa don't be so excited. the only part that i cared about was the online trading of stocks, bonds and friends - and this part still does not work. I'm not that excited. But it's a start. Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin) - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
Can you just mount the raw device and reformat it? It actually needs to be repartitioned! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sattelite TV and linux (not neccesarily YES)
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 13:17:35 Erez D wrote: hi After a Few Years of receiving TV via satellite from many parts of the world, (using linux of course) I was think of giving a presentation of sattelite TV and linux do you think people will be interested ? We'd be interested to host you on the Tel Aviv Open Source Club ( http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ ). We meet on Sundays, 18:30 (possibly later if the presentation is short) in Tel Aviv University. Please contact me in private if you'd like to schedule a date for the presentation. Regards, Shlomi Fish erez. -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Rethinking CPAN - http://xrl.us/bjn7p maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:14:02PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: At least on my SanDisk Cruzer, that was relatively harmless on Linux. On Windows, these lines suggest that any time you put the drive in it launches the horrible U3 system and starts messing with your files. Fortunately, there is a solution. You can download the U3 removal tool from the sandisk web site and run it (Windows only, I'm afraid, but I managed to get it to work from Virtual box by connecting the DOK directly to the windows machine). Once removed, Linux starts treating the device as a normal Disk on Key as well. Much recommended. Can you just mount the raw device and reformat it? No, they did some fairly horrible tricks to make the thing appear as two devices - a disk on key and a CD rom containing the U3 software. Like I said, the problems we're having in Linux are nothing in comparison to the problems these disks cause on Windows, where they are supposed to run. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
I'm not that excited. But it's a start. Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin) Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable for Linux users? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sattelite TV and linux (not neccesarily YES)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson g...@mendelson.comwrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:17:35PM +0200, Erez D wrote: hi After a Few Years of receiving TV via satellite from many parts of the world, (using linux of course) I was think of giving a presentation of sattelite TV and linux do you think people will be interested ? If it were in English and in Jerusalem. I live in tel aviv, and currently work in herzeliya so it will probably be herzlinux/telux about english, that ok with me, but depends on the audiance. (the presentation will be in english anyway) If it was How to receive sattelite TV, what you get, and how to use Linux to get it, This is a too-long of title, but it is covered. (along with any other practical/technical issue. again depending on the audiance requests) you would have a lot more people come. There is a big market here for private satellite dishes, unfortunately it is served by people who sell receivers that download the decryption codes over the Internet (signal piracy). yeah, i know. there are also FTA (Free To Air) channels, and one can buy legal-subscriptions from parties other than yes. I'll cover that also. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 22:19 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: I think we should send them a really fancy letter with a few dozen signatures, saying thanks for finally fixing it. I'm not cynical. they got nags and negative rap from us all the years, they need to get appreciation too. Newspaper reporters and people who bump into FOSS zealots in Ynet talkbacks usually (understandably) see us as a bunch of complaining elitist techno-snobs. I say we should show our other side and give some kudos once in a while when someone does the RIGHT thing. (In other words, they think we are Hammas, we need to show them we are not even Fatah, maybe Hadash at worst :-) Even if it's late and partial, we can send them positive remarks for congratulating them on how far they've come instead of only (or first) complaining about what still needs to be done. So how about if a bunch of us write Leumi some thank you notes, or send them a big fancy Thank you kind of thing with 30 signatures, so they can frame and hang on their wall, and later we could get companies to get their sites corrected and we better rap in the press. We can even join hands the some computer usability SIG or ISOC, ILA or some adult computer literacy NGO that was helped by this. We should try to try and make it a bigger, more impressive gesture. Is it corny? - sure, CEOs love corny... Is it a bit kitch and looks a little out of integrity? - Could be, but the long-term benefits are effective dialogs with the next businesses that run broken sites. - Ideally, In time, such endoresment might be actually catch on, and since Hamakor won't be selling them for kickbacks, companies will actually have to fix sites to get one :-) Anyone cares to take this further? Ori Idan, are you doing any PR of this kind today? Ira. (and, as if often does, my random sig pulls out a bull's eye :-) If you are a Bank Leumi customer, then write to them and tell them that you thank them. I myself closed my account in 2001. I sent them a thank you note. I'd suggest each and one of us (at least Leumi customers) will do the same. - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 15:00 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm not that excited. But it's a start. Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin) Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable for Linux users? Will do. - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sattelite TV and linux (not neccesarily YES)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 03:17:30PM +0200, Erez D wrote: I live in tel aviv, and currently work in herzeliya so it will probably be herzlinux/telux about english, that ok with me, but depends on the audiance. (the presentation will be in english anyway) Oh well. :-( This is a too-long of title, but it is covered. (along with any other practical/technical issue. again depending on the audiance requests) My point, which I did not specificaly say, is that IMHO a lot more people are interested in the subject than are interested in Linux. The short title, with Linux in it, might reduce the number of attendees. yeah, i know. there are also FTA (Free To Air) channels, and one can buy legal-subscriptions from parties other than yes. I'll cover that also. I know about FTA, where does one find out about the legal subscriptions? (maybe you can post your slides/notes/video) Thanks, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sattelite TV and linux (not neccesarily YES)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson g...@mendelson.comwrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 03:17:30PM +0200, Erez D wrote: I live in tel aviv, and currently work in herzeliya so it will probably be herzlinux/telux about english, that ok with me, but depends on the audiance. (the presentation will be in english anyway) Oh well. :-( This is a too-long of title, but it is covered. (along with any other practical/technical issue. again depending on the audiance requests) My point, which I did not specificaly say, is that IMHO a lot more people are interested in the subject than are interested in Linux. The short title, with Linux in it, might reduce the number of attendees. well, the lecture is both on sat and on linux. I think that people that dosen't use linux can learn from it as well. however, regarding using a PC (i.e. htpc), than my only experiance is linux, as i never used it under the os that must not be named ;-) anyway, this is a linux mailing list ... yeah, i know. there are also FTA (Free To Air) channels, and one can buy legal-subscriptions from parties other than yes. I'll cover that also. I know about FTA, where does one find out about the legal subscriptions? i'ts more than the subscrition: for example. having a legal SKY card is not enough. you need a big dish to receive the signal in the first place. (maybe you can post your slides/notes/video) I'll probably do that, but not all the info is in the presentation. some will be answers to questions ... erez. Thanks, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Sattelite TV and linux (not neccesarily YES)
Haifux will also be happy to host you. Pick any free Monday which is not a holiday... 2009/2/17 Erez D erez0...@gmail.com: hi After a Few Years of receiving TV via satellite from many parts of the world, (using linux of course) I was think of giving a presentation of sattelite TV and linux do you think people will be interested ? erez. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Orr Dunkelman, orr.dunkel...@gmail.com a scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone - Charles Darwin. GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B3 2023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys. The key corresponds to o...@vipe.technion.ac.il) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
No, they did some fairly horrible tricks to make the thing appear as two devices - a disk on key and a CD rom containing the U3 software. Like I said, the problems we're having in Linux are nothing in comparison to the problems these disks cause on Windows, where they are supposed to run. They were BSODing the machines in one of the Technion libraries at some point. I think that the computers were reimaged with XP Pro SP3 to fix it. On 733mHz PIII computers with 128 MB RAM! I have a screenshot of the My Computer dialog somewhere... -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:00:29 Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm not that excited. But it's a start. Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin) Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable for Linux users? I wrote two months ago, here's their reply: http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/4 - Oren ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: SanDisk Cruzer micro 8Gb and Ubuntu, GNU/Linux
Gabor, The solution is simple. I am guessing you've recently installed Ubuntu 8.10, so I bet you haven't installed the 'usbmount' package. Undo any changes you've made, reboot (just to be on the safe side) then install *usbmount* and try again. It worked for me as soon as I installed the packge - no need to restart or even to log out and log in again. I tried one of those DOKs by SanDisk with the U3 system and it just mounted two separate devices. I didn't know it is possible to remove the U3 system and that is why I refrain from buying the Cruzer hardware. I don't use it or plan to use it, so I will follow Shahar's advice and remove the U3 system. Good luck! .::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html .::. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:24, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: I have just bought an 8Gb SanDisk Cruzer Micro (USB 2.0) disk on key. I plugged it in my computer, the reassuring red light came on but Ubuntu 8.10 did not recognize it. Surprising as a disk-on-key should not have such issues. Especially one with a Penguin on the box! I searched a bit and found a couple of links, none of them really reassuring. Any idea what should I do? /var/messages got this: Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.060061] usb 5-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12 Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.193298] usb 5-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Feb 17 12:23:07 notebook kernel: [1373852.194612] scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.197065] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.198271] scsi 3:0:0:1: CD-ROM SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro 8.01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.199906] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15682559 512-byte hardware sectors (8029 MB) Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.200830] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.203281] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 15682559 512-byte hardware sectors (8029 MB) Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.204154] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.205040] sdb: sdb1 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.206527] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.207068] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.211289] sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x tray Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.212261] sr 3:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 5 Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453139] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453150] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Sense Key : No Sense [current] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.453158] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454385] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454390] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Sense Key : No Sense [current] Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.454394] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Add. Sense: No additional sense information Feb 17 12:23:12 notebook kernel: [1373857.455636] sr 3:0:0:1: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK [... some more of these last 4 lines] regards Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
linux service daemon
Is there any where a simple manual on how setting linux service. I managed to create such for auto start and stop but I never manage to work with the probe: true. yahav ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: linux service daemon
2009/2/18 Biran, Yahav (Yahav) yahav.bi...@gmail.com: Is there any where a simple manual on how setting linux service. I managed to create such for auto start and stop but I never manage to work with the probe: true. Basic question-asking tricks (there must be more complete list in the welcome e-mail or somewhere): 1. State your environment - which version of Linux? 2. What exactly are you trying to achieve? setting linux service and mentioning start stop makes me guess that you want to setup a program to start at system boot but more details (runlevel, script source) would help here. 3. What errors do you get? What do you expect to happen? etc. --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell net use at home
2009/2/17 sammy ominsky s...@avoidant.org: Hi, As a follow-up to Geoff's post the other day about using one of the cell providers' offerings for home internet access, I thought I'd post this device... http://www.option.com/en/products/products/wireless-routers/x1/about/#start A cell-to-wifi/ethernet router. I'd buy one if they were available. I wonder how long until an Israel cell provider offers one? It's probably more useful as a backup strategy or for travel but if you have a spare Symbian S60 phone then you can install JaikuSpot on it and turn it into a 3G-Wifi hotspot (http://www.joiku.com/index.php?action=productsmode=productDetailsproduct_id=310). The free light version supports only HTTP/HTTPS, a non-free Premium version for 15 Euro (special offer, http://www.joikushop.com/?action=productsmode=productDetailsproduct_id=33) should support everything else (e.g. ssh). I wonder whether the HTTP/HTTPS it supports could be enough for openvpn. I have the light version installed on my phone but never got around to test it yet. I should probably buy the premium version soon. --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: linux service daemon
2009/2/18 BIRAN, Yahav (Yahav) bi...@alcatel-lucent.com: [Yahav Biran] the application is running on RH AS 5. its is a java process (activemq 5.2.0). Im trying to have a running daemon that is starting and stopping automatically (this is already achieved) the problem is when the process is aborted in unlikely event. In that case I would expect the daemon will be started automatically. (please try to clip your lines to ~75 chars). So you manage to start the daemon but you want some watch-dog to restart it when it fails? That's not something you usually put in the init startup script itself. I'd suggest that you either use monit (http://mmonit.com/monit/, available as a package from RPMForge) or have a wrapper parent process inside bin/amq which would be a simple shell or perl script to re-run the java process in a loop whenever it exits with a signal. You'll have to kill that wrapper process before the child it watches when you actually take things down to avoid it from restart the child. I'm not sure how to get the details of a child exit signal from the shell so I'd consider using perl (perl's $? is much more comprehansive that the shell's $?). Also consider redirecting standard input from /dev/null (/dev/null) to completely detach your process from any controlling terminals. --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:23:23 Dotan Cohen wrote: Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new user. As for writing a driver, it's not a noob thing, it's not even an expert thing. I expect that the number of people who have even read a driver's source code on this list could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Exactly. The distinction between noob and experienced posts is too blurry today to justify two lists. Especially when there is essentially _no_traffic_ on the noobs list (I subscribed yesterday and there have been no messages so far). There is indeed very little traffic on GNUbies-IL . I expect most new Linux users ask on web-forums instead of on mailing lists. I'm still a GNUbies-IL admin in case someone posts, and am subscribed there to answer any questions that people may have. I personally support accepting beginners' posts here on Linux-IL, assuming there will be any. I don't expect the added traffic to overwhelm Linux-IL, and it may lead to interesting more advanced or more philosophical discussions. Some beginners may be intimidated by the more advanced questions, but I doubt it will be an issue. In any case, maintaining GNUbies-IL is not time consuming at all, so I'm perfectly fine keeping it in its mostly-dormant condition. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Interview with Ben Collins-Sussman - http://xrl.us/bjn8s maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)
Good evening Shlomi, I am in the club a newbe that often racks his brains for answers. I still find it difficult to deal with a compressed .tar file and install it. I am sure that for the experienced they do this with their eyes closed. Sometimes I get the /home/moshe/desktop/. does not exist. Trying to get around in the console is sometimes for the newbe a real nightmare. When some experts say do this add this or that it may take quite a while before the console accepts the command request. I find that to make a file in a folder is a headache. I first have to cd to the actual directory, this I understand. Then I have to use mkedir to make the directory. To actually get a text file into that new directory I have to create the file and save to the desktop. Sometimes the mv file -T /Whatever works or CD to the relevant directory and type in the console import /./ and hope for the best. Moshe --- On Tue, 17/2/09, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: From: Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il Subject: Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?) To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:09 PM On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:23:23 Dotan Cohen wrote: Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new user. As for writing a driver, it's not a noob thing, it's not even an expert thing. I expect that the number of people who have even read a driver's source code on this list could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Exactly. The distinction between noob and experienced posts is too blurry today to justify two lists. Especially when there is essentially _no_traffic_ on the noobs list (I subscribed yesterday and there have been no messages so far). There is indeed very little traffic on GNUbies-IL . I expect most new Linux users ask on web-forums instead of on mailing lists. I'm still a GNUbies-IL admin in case someone posts, and am subscribed there to answer any questions that people may have. I personally support accepting beginners' posts here on Linux-IL, assuming there will be any. I don't expect the added traffic to overwhelm Linux-IL, and it may lead to interesting more advanced or more philosophical discussions. Some beginners may be intimidated by the more advanced questions, but I doubt it will be an issue. In any case, maintaining GNUbies-IL is not time consuming at all, so I'm perfectly fine keeping it in its mostly-dormant condition. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Interview with Ben Collins-Sussman - http://xrl.us/bjn8s maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: No noobs?
No, noobs (which I understand to mean newbies) should be put in the metaphorical kindergarten and allowed to grow there. On the other hand, oldtimers should be encouraged to volunteer in the kindergarten - but not required to subject themselves to the distractions of the kindergarten. --- Omer On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 10:47 +0200, Jacob Broido wrote: noobs should die. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: While referring a new Linux user to the Linux-il mailing list, I found this text on the page: No newbie questions (use gnubies-il instead). Can the lists be merged? This list is low enough traffic that doubling it should not be a problem, and the separation of noobs and gurus means that few gurus see the noobs posts, and they never get the help that they need. -- MS-Windows is the Pal-Kal of the PC world. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
flash (youtube) works in firefox, but not in konqueror
Hi, I wonder if anyone has seen/solved the following problem: Fedora 10 on x86_64 (AMD) with kdebase-4.2.0-2.fc10.x86_64, firefox-3.0.6-1.fc10.x86_64, kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.x86_64, libflashplayer-10.0.d21.1.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz from Adobe installed as /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so. Firefox shows flash (e.g., youtube videos) perfectly. In konqueror I don't even *see* the black/grey screen on youtube pages. The /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins is the first in the directory list in konqueror, the .so shows as the first plugin, for application/x-shockwave-flash MIME type (swf file type) and application/futuresplash MIME type (spl file type). I did rescan for plugins and restarted konqueror multiple times, I tried removing nspluginwrapper and installing gstreamer-plugins-ugly and dependencies (various suggestions I found after googling) - nothing helps. Changing the browser identification to firefox does not help either. I would really like to do my browsing in konqueror (I like it much better than FF, my religion is better than yours, sorry), but for flash I now have to start FF. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Tue, 17 Feb: We have a Google Calendar. Search for Google Calendar on I know, I've been subscribed to it for a while. I'm not on FB and won't be on it for the near future, so that's not a good option for advertising to me. Facebook is not the only way to learn of upcoming Telux activities. that's a good thing :-) lower expectations (and buy less cookies) Good idea. Yup, my diet already lost me over 10kg... -- Shadow on the wall Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
RE: linux service daemon
2009/2/18 BIRAN, Yahav (Yahav) bi...@alcatel-lucent.com: [Yahav Biran] the application is running on RH AS 5. its is a java process (activemq 5.2.0). Im trying to have a running daemon that is starting and stopping automatically (this is already achieved) the problem is when the process is aborted in unlikely event. In that case I would expect the daemon will be started automatically. (please try to clip your lines to ~75 chars). So you manage to start the daemon but you want some watch-dog to restart it when it fails? That's not something you usually put in the init startup script itself. I'd suggest that you either use monit (http://mmonit.com/monit/, available as a package from RPMForge) or have a wrapper parent process inside bin/amq which would be a simple shell or perl script to re-run the java process in a loop whenever it exits with a signal. You'll have to kill that wrapper process before the child it watches when you actually take things down to avoid it from restart the child. I'm not sure how to get the details of a child exit signal from the shell so I'd consider using perl (perl's $? is much more comprehansive that the shell's $?). Also consider redirecting standard input from /dev/null (/dev/null) to completely detach your process from any controlling terminals. --Amos [Yahav Biran] thanks Amos, I already wrote a wrapper that set to run in crontab and monitor the amq MBean but I thought RH have a build in solution for that. Actually the documentation says it does with probe: true any way thanks for the help. Yahav ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)
Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:23:23 Dotan Cohen wrote: Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new user. As for writing a driver, it's not a noob thing, it's not even an "expert" thing. I expect that the number of people who have even read a driver's source code on this list could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Exactly. The distinction between noob and experienced posts is too blurry today to justify two lists. Especially when there is essentially _no_traffic_ on the noobs list (I subscribed yesterday and there have been no messages so far). There is indeed very little traffic on GNUbies-IL . I expect most new Linux users ask on web-forums instead of on mailing lists. I'm still a GNUbies-IL admin in case someone posts, and am subscribed there to answer any questions that people may have. I personally support accepting beginners' posts here on Linux-IL, assuming there will be any. I don't expect the added traffic to overwhelm Linux-IL, and it may lead to interesting more advanced or more philosophical discussions. Some beginners may be intimidated by the more advanced questions, but I doubt it will be an issue. In any case, maintaining GNUbies-IL is not time consuming at all, so I'm perfectly fine keeping it in its mostly-dormant condition. I'd also support merging the lists. I'm sure most linux-il subscribers are also subscribed to other mail lists which post a mix of new and advanced questions and answers. That is usually to everyone's benefit: The new users get accurate answers, and the group of more advanced users grows as new users, who enjoyed getting help when they needed, later enlist and start contributing answers when they have gained the experience. As to the annoyance of deleting uninteresting posts: this hits both new users (who have to delete "overly technical" questions) as well as advanced users (who chose to skip "overly simple" questions). Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Regards, Micha ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
