Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
Hi,
thanks for the answer (and allow me to thank following commenters to whom I
reply soon as well).
Please see some comment below.
2012/2/5 Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Hi Boaz,
The time is not ripe. Don't waste your energy. Your school principal will
not know what you are talking about and will dismiss you as a hopeless geek.
I disagree. *Its always the time*.
I'm not talking about converting her to FOSS and make her think about
capitalism pigs all day long and suggesting Linus Torvalds as a Nobel price
candidate.
As always, I'm going to do it* step by step*, with careful planning and
little hopes. I only want to be able to read (and print) my daughter's
weekly schedule on my computer. No more. I'm going to prepare small, easy
to digest and short statements about this to my principal. I'm not hoping
that she'll accept them at the meeting's time. I might need to check on
that later. Its a relationship and someone else already said that
everything is personal. In this case, personal matters matter a lot for
adoption or willingness to try it.
A slightly more productive line might be to claim that you are no longer
using desktop computers - only mobile devices, and for these you need
either PDF or Google docs.
Google docs is a good but not the best alternative. Google is
yet-another-corporate that even if more public friendly, not a fully
M$-Office substitute.
I lean toward talking to her about Google Docs and ODT (parse-able either
by OpenOffice or Google Docs as well). I already prepared a template weekly
schedule in google docs. Nothing is more presuasive than giving the person
a half made solution: here, just fill in here and email! Hey! you can very
easily also download as pdf and email that!.
I found that this approach, mobile devices, works. For example, at the
American School in Even Yehuda it helped convince teachers to accept and
give assignments in PDF or via Google docs. The techers made this head
switch about three years ago when the younger students who were the early
technology adopters demanded it. It didn't come from the principal, and not
from the parents either, both groups being generally clueless.
I agree with your comment about adopters or better technology. Not
surprising :-)
Boaz.
- yba
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012, Boaz Rymland wrote:
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 07:20:39 +0200
From: Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com
To: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
Hi all,
I'm about to meet my daughter's school principal on the subject of the
formats of documents the school spreads around
routinely, like the weekly schedule. In short - they are using .DOC MS
Word format and I don't like it as I cannot
cleanly open those documents on my computer (which runs Ubuntu).
Although I'm quite old in the Linux world and probably heard over the
years most of them - still I prefer having a
refreshment of all the arguments in favor of moving to more open or at
least affordable (e.g. PDF) document formats.
Any pointers/text will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Boaz.
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Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
Ori, While technically you might be correct - I'll take your word for it - this argument is hardly a relevant or helping to convince her. If I say that to her, in the best case she'll reply what the hell are you talking about Boaz? The system currently works, everyone are getting their weekly schedule and nobody is complaining but you. In the worst case, she'll think the same but wont say it. At that time, I'm more or less done with her as far as she is concerned and it will be much harder to further talk to her about such issues. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il wrote: Another point to notice is that there is no such format as MS word format. Each version has a different format and sometimes one can not open the documents that was sent to him in this format. I have seen many cases where OpenOffice opened files that people who had a version of MS-word could not open. -- Ori Idan 2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com Hi all, I'm about to meet my daughter's school principal on the subject of the formats of documents the school spreads around routinely, like the weekly schedule. In short - they are using .DOC MS Word format and I don't like it as I cannot cleanly open those documents on my computer (which runs Ubuntu). Although I'm quite old in the Linux world and probably heard over the years most of them - still I prefer having a refreshment of all the arguments in favor of moving to more open or at least affordable (e.g. PDF) document formats. Any pointers/text will be appreciated. Thanks, Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: I believe my Android can read Microsoft Office documents out of the box :( But it's true, with all these non-Microsoft devices around, Microsoft's stranglehold on the word processor document seems to be coming to an end. I bet it cannot read my teacher's document!: a table full of oversized text, but mostly - toner/ink eating, useless, stupid^H^H^H^H^H images that never, and I mean never, really align in the needed cells but rather appear somewhere else in the document. That's true also on a recent M$ Word as well! :-) oh boy. I had to release some steam!... :-) -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Feb 5 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |It's fortunate I have bad luck - without http://nadav.harel.org.il |it I would have no luck at all! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Boaz Rymland wrote about Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats: I bet it cannot read my teacher's document! Before you go and complain about some supposed facts, I think you should verify that they are really correct facts. Is OpenOffice *really* unable to read these files (usually it can)? Is Android really not able to read it? If you import this document into Google Docs (or equivalently, get it by mail to gmail), can't you preview it? of course the whole reason to this thread and me contacting the principal is the fsck'ed up document. The document appears badly in LibreOffice and Google docs (imported). I verified this since sept. 1st till now, on a weekly basis. Yes, OO does read the document and sort of presents the data within, including ok hebrew but I don't want and deserve to do guess work or work harder to try to read a basic document I need to get. I want it to be perfectly accessible to me, at least it is for M$ Office users. a table full of oversized text, but mostly - toner/ink eating, useless, stupid^H^H^H^H^H images that never, and I mean never, really align in the needed cells but rather appear somewhere else in the document. That's true also on a recent M$ Word as well! People doing ugly formatting and wasting ink isn't specific to Microsoft Word :( Even if you get them to send you ODF or PDF, they can still send you these ugly pieces of crap :( Right :-) I do think that there's a valid point here nevertheless - saving ink on rather useless images, even if sometimes appropriate, is a good practice. Kids should be taught the same as well. Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
I fully agree. Having *whatever* percentage of distributed material requiring *whatever* percentage of students to spend hundreds (or even tens) of NIS on HW/SW in order to cooperate is *totally unacceptable*especially in light of no-cost alternatives (SW only of course. HW will still be needed). 2012/2/5 Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.orgwrote: I am ignorant of today's school procedures - whatever happened to your homework is exercises 15.1 through 15.8 in your manual? Or write down your homework at the end of the class? Or handouts? Why emailing is necessary? Eh, reading comprehension failure on my part again: the OP's problem is not with home assignments but with school-wide distribution such as weekly schedule. This renders the Word requirement - or even a computer requirement - even less reasonable, IMHO. Making 5% - or 1% - of families to buy a computer and/or specialized SW just to view a schedule is totally unacceptable on financial grounds only. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org o...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: 2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com of course the whole reason to this thread and me contacting the principal is the fsck'ed up document. The document appears badly in LibreOffice and Google docs (imported). I verified this since sept. 1st till now, on a weekly basis. Yes, OO does read the document and sort of presents the data within, including ok hebrew but I don't want and deserve to do guess work or work harder to try to read a basic document I need to get. I want it to be perfectly accessible to me, at least it is for M$ Office users. How about suggesting that such docs should be exported into HTML (which Word is capable of doing, IIRC) before emailing? It would be nice if the creator could look at the HTML in a browser to verify that it looks OK. of course, the browser is likely to be IE 32-bit... I think that's not the best solution. I'd rather have the teacher spread documents as either links to google docs documents, ODT documents, or PDF, exported from those documents. I tend to think that the order described above is the desired order of preference, at least to my taste and line of thought. Google docs is the easiest and is portable anytime when google will change something on their side. ODT is more cumbersome (requires installation of OO on the systems used by the teachers) but is truly open format, lasting solution. PDF is i think more comfortable to transport than exported HTML. I think that asking the staff to export to html, check in your browser, then possibly create a zip with the file + directory that contains the images,etc is too clumsy and will result in the initiative to drop dead too soon. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote: Google docs is a good but not the best alternative. Google is yet-another-corporate that even if more public friendly, not a fully M$-Office substitute. In other words: while an account at Google does not cost money,Google Docs is just as proprietary as MS-Office and Acrobat Reader[1]. I would not have wanted to be forced to have an account there in order to interact with school. [1] PDF itself is not bad as it has some other good alternatives implementations. However relying on in-line remarks in the PDF file, which is, AFAIK, supported only by the Adobe reader, is not a good idea. right, but don't forget that to in order to read only a document, you don't need a google account - just a publicly readable document who's link you've got, AFAIK. That's of course hardly a full solution but I'm going to take it step by step. My daughter has yet to receive assignments so its only about the weekly schedule documented distributed every week. While using Google Docs to distribute it, the staff can become accustomed to Google Docs and maybe even appreciate its comfortableness (the latter is a NTH). At the same time, I'll have a more easier marketing job to do. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
Even if true my point is different: my computer cannot be installed with that claimed free software from MS. My laptop runs linux and that's not somthing that is going to change, even if offered free windoze and office. Sent from my mobile phone I didn't check it and don't know how it applies to school children, but I was told that as a student with a valid student ID you can get a free license for MS software, renewed yearly. Combine that with the MS tax that is hard to avoid ... but it still leaves the question of macs and tablets (android, ipad). Not sure if it's this link or something else: https://www.dreamspark.com/ Although this seems to be just developer tools. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: right, but don't forget that to in order to read only a document, you don't need a google account - just a publicly readable document who's link you've got, AFAIK. That's of course hardly a full solution but I'm going to take it step by step. My daughter has yet to receive assignments so its only about the weekly schedule documented distributed every week. While using Google Docs to distribute it, the staff can become accustomed to Google Docs and maybe even appreciate its comfortableness (the latter is a NTH). At the same time, I'll have a more easier marketing job to do. Are you interested in a read-only or read-write format? Well, it depends: if I see good cooperation, openess and willingness to hear more, I'll introduce OO suite, as a more full solution that could be used elsewhere in the school, that could be used by students to fill in their exercises, etc. If I wont feel such openness I'll try to push a minimal solution - just replace that read only format to one that I can read (I lean toward Google Docs and on second place PDF). While it's your fight to pick and not mine, I'm not sure I'd be happy if a result would be the replacement of one proprietary format with another. This is not a fight. Fighting will not achieve anything. Achieving something with arm power is my last resort and I think I wont get there. At worst, I'll try again sometime in the near future or re-think again (don't forget - fighting is always possible and should be avoided as much as possible). Boaz ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Micha wrote about Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats: I didn't check it and don't know how it applies to school children, but I was told that as a student with a valid student ID you can get a free license for MS software, renewed yearly. Combine that with the MS tax This doesn't make any sense. Like I said, virtually everyone in the country either has school-aged children, or can easily find one - so who *won't* get a free MS license if this was the deal? Last time I checked, there were deals for *teachers*, but not for kids or their families. So the teachers find it very convenient (and cheap) to use MS, and who cares that the kids' families need to buy all this expensive software, or alternatively break the law. I happen to have more than 1 teacher in my family. That's exactly M$ tactics for raising the young generation to their interest: give the * teachers* extremely cheap M$ licenses and that way enforce the right educations for their students, who'll grow knowing as little as possible about alternatives. About the price, I'm aware of an offer maybe 3-4 years old - teachers got the latest Windows license at that time + full office that cost back then more than 2K NIS, at... drum rollsmake your bets!.../drum rolls - a little over 200nis. That's right! About a magnitude of the real market price. On that note its worth mentioning that its been said on Microsoft that its a marketing company that happens to sell software. yuck! Boaz. -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Feb 5 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Writing software is like sex: One mistake http://nadav.harel.org.il |and you have to support it forever. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
Nobody said that M$ is the root of evil and Sun is the source of all good. Even if the tactics and ways of M$ and Sun are equally ugly, and I really can't answer on that, the key difference is that Sun is pushing a product that first and foremost promotes open standards and that is *good*. As longs as their biz ways are not truly sickening, I think that its better than the same approach taken by M$ - but to push a closed source, irreplaceable product that further enhance their dominance not due to technological supremacy. I have absolutely no warm feelings about Sun. Its just that open standards (ODT in this case) is in the right direction, and it happens that Sun is pushing in that direction as well. On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:26 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Boaz Rymland wrote: yuck! So it was ok for SUN to buy StarOffice and give it away in order to reduce MS/Office sales? OpenOffice's free price and open source was a marketing tool too. Before you go you must be anti FOSS on me, bear in mind there were many true FOSS office type products (word processors, a spreadsheet or two) and so on, that were crushed by StarOffice (and OpenOffice). Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-( ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
Hi all, I'm about to meet my daughter's school principal on the subject of the formats of documents the school spreads around routinely, like the weekly schedule. In short - they are using .DOC MS Word format and I don't like it as I cannot cleanly open those documents on my computer (which runs Ubuntu). Although I'm quite old in the Linux world and probably heard over the years most of them - still I prefer having a refreshment of all the arguments in favor of moving to more open or at least affordable (e.g. PDF) document formats. Any pointers/text will be appreciated. Thanks, Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: What to do with a constant flow of attempts to login to my compuet?
This is so common these days I heard years ago people filtering out such messages. Just check your machine carefully - I once had a break-in that was caused from a stupid chain of mistakes: i switched sshd to listen on its default port (22) for some time (instead of some arbitrary port as it was used to be) + router forwarded 22 connections to the linux machine (as needed for SSH to work) + yes, there was a little issue of a test user I once created, named test with password test... . Violla! a robot sounded the bingo! alarm somewhere... . I had to reinstall my machine (which wasn't that bad, but still...). Lesson? carefully check your machine's entry points and as much as you can - try not to assume things to be in certain status before checking that (like, I don't have stupid test users on machines - check your configured users) as that can fail you. In other words - don't presume anything. Check it, to evaluate your status. Boaz. On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:34:29 +0200, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed someone bombarding my machine trying to login via ssh. From auth.log Jan 3 06:31:48 s6 sshd[22774]: Failed password for invalid user amavisd from 202.138.142.216 port 35172 ssh2 Jan 3 06:31:48 s6 sshd[22773]: Failed password for invalid user clamav from 202.138.142.216 port 39941 ssh2 Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22780]: Invalid user clamav from 202.138.142.216 Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22780]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22780]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.138.142.216 Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22781]: Invalid user appserver from 202.138.142.216 Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22781]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22781]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.138.142.216 Jan 3 06:31:52 s6 sshd[22780]: Failed password for invalid user clamav from 202.138.142.216 port 35699 ssh2 Jan 3 06:31:52 s6 sshd[22781]: Failed password for invalid user appserver from 202.138.142.216 port 40470 ssh2 So what is your suggestion. What to do with it? Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: What to do with a constant flow of attempts to login to my compuet?
To add my list: * verify there are as least as possible users on the machine. Unused user? either purge or disable (login shell set to /bin/false or the like; home dir set to /not/here). * verify users on machine not have easy to guess password. * indeed move sshd to listen to its NON default port * shutdown and remove any unneeded software/services including and specifically any web applications that are not used. * keep your installed applications updated and keep an eye on software updates. I once had an unsuccessful break-in attempt that was trying to exploit some bug in a webmail application that was not used. The bug was two weeks old at the time. Both of the break in cases I described were of my 24/7 home machine I had running for years (but not anymore), not some high traffic IP address so this is rather common these days. Boaz. On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:51:05 -0500, Boaz Rymland b...@rymland.com wrote: This is so common these days I heard years ago people filtering out such messages. Just check your machine carefully - I once had a break-in that was caused from a stupid chain of mistakes: i switched sshd to listen on its default port (22) for some time (instead of some arbitrary port as it was used to be) + router forwarded 22 connections to the linux machine (as needed for SSH to work) + yes, there was a little issue of a test user I once created, named test with password test... . Violla! a robot sounded the bingo! alarm somewhere... . I had to reinstall my machine (which wasn't that bad, but still...). Lesson? carefully check your machine's entry points and as much as you can - try not to assume things to be in certain status before checking that (like, I don't have stupid test users on machines - check your configured users) as that can fail you. In other words - don't presume anything. Check it, to evaluate your status. Boaz. On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:34:29 +0200, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed someone bombarding my machine trying to login via ssh. From auth.log Jan 3 06:31:48 s6 sshd[22774]: Failed password for invalid user amavisd from 202.138.142.216 port 35172 ssh2 Jan 3 06:31:48 s6 sshd[22773]: Failed password for invalid user clamav from 202.138.142.216 port 39941 ssh2 Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22780]: Invalid user clamav from 202.138.142.216 Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22780]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22780]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.138.142.216 Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22781]: Invalid user appserver from 202.138.142.216 Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22781]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown Jan 3 06:31:49 s6 sshd[22781]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.138.142.216 Jan 3 06:31:52 s6 sshd[22780]: Failed password for invalid user clamav from 202.138.142.216 port 35699 ssh2 Jan 3 06:31:52 s6 sshd[22781]: Failed password for invalid user appserver from 202.138.142.216 port 40470 ssh2 So what is your suggestion. What to do with it? Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: need help with PHP open source class
Not all PEAR classes require depending classes on the machine. For example, Log class. I think that it all depends on your exact needs. Also, not all classes were born equal, in terms of quality. Consider that as well. I recommend you consult also on php-israel mailing list: http://www.php-israel.org/ Boaz. On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:37:20 +0200, Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 10:42 +0200, Uri Even-Chen wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Meir Kriheli m...@mksoft.co.il wrote: IMO PHP developers should be aware of PEAR [1] and use it when possible. The repo includes a whois class called Net_Whois [2], maintained - current stable released last month (feature request). [1] http://pear.php.net/ [2] http://pear.php.net/package/Net_Whois Sorry, I'm not using PEAR. If you can implement the same functionality using Net_Whois - I don't mind, but I don't want to install it myself. The PHPwhois class is good, and returns good results for most domain names. What are the reasons against using PEAR (besides, of course, having to install additional packages in your development and deployment systems)? It's too complicated, I'm not familar with PEAR. As I said, if one of you wants to do it, I don't mind using PEAR, but I don't want to do it alone. Also, my program uses the PHPwhois class already, so I might have to change the program itself. I prefer using PHPwhois and improving it. Uri. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Shekem Electric selling desktops with Linux
I can add that when searching for Linux powered laptops here I found that several stores (not the big elec. chains stores IIRC) sell linux powered Acer laptops. These laptops, and I suspect that the desktop as well, have Linpus on them. They also, probably, contain some binary drivers from Acer, which isn't open source nor can I be sure they're install-able on other linux distros easily. Eventually, since I want to have as hassle-free Linux OS as I can (I don't miss my Gentoo days... :-), I installed Ubuntu on an Acer laptop (thankfully, almost all HW is supported on it, to a workable degree) and they (we) all live(d) happily ever after. Boaz. Gabor Szabo wrote: I usually don't think much of the big electronic networks when it comes to buying a computer but yesterday why flipping through the week-end papers I pleasantly surprised that Shekem Electric is selling Acer desktops with Linux installed. http://www.shekem-electric.co.il/?CategoryID=281ArticleID=1326 http://www.shekem-electric.co.il/?CategoryID=281ArticleID=1325 Does anyone here have experience with them? Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ISP Suggestion
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:45:25 +0200, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Justin wrote: I've been with Interal until now. But they are merging with Bezeq Ben Liumi. I hate BBL, and more than that their quality sucks. Does anyone have a recommendation for a Linux friendly ISP, that doesn't block ports and can provide reasonable, low latency connections? Netvision fits that. 012 does not. BTW, with a router, all ISP's are Linux friendly. True regarding connection (and security is better with router, AFAIK), but not so regarding port 25 outbound comm. Some ISPs block it, as mentioned earlier in this thread. But, I think that a simple phone call to the ISP's tech service should resolve that (it resolved it for me, in the past, and as far as I can tell this is a standard procedure that is probably available with all ISPs). Boaz. Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Where does it count?
That's a bit off topic cause indeed you refer to greatness in one's profession/occupation/hobby but in any case, i remember the article you mentioned and the whole thesis it talks about. There was at least one Israeli weekend newspapers article, probably about the relevant translated book that talked about this. The name is Malcolm Gladwell and the following link is about the book that talks about that idea: (hebrew) http://simania.co.il/bookdetails.php?item_id=688839 his web site: http://www.gladwell.com/index.html Boaz. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: My question is simple: When does the developer experience starts ticking? (I'm not talking about any specific language here). Do the years of writing those small programs/scripts count as a developer years? or does the clock starts ticking when I'm a full time programmer? Partiality of occupation is hardly a factor, but experience is. I don't have the link, (I think it was on slashdot a while back), but someone once claimed that the difference between a programmer with greatness potential and actual great programmers is X hours of experience (I don't remember what X was, but it translated to about 3 or 5 years of full time job experience). The article claimed that the same X applies to other areas too (the article used the Beatles as a primary example). My point is that in order to realize your potential in any field, you need to invest a huge amount of time practicing it. This is almost impossible to do unless you make it your full time occupation. From personal experience, I think the article's quoted X may even be a little on the low side. So, if you did mostly system tasks, but did about 10% development, you will see how, for practical reasons, that leaves very little of your actual development experience. I should point out that the article talks about greatness. Assuming you have the potential to become a great programmer, this is a requirement for becoming great actually happening. Personally, I pride myself on seeing programmers, in certain cases total novices, and saying to myself he has the potential. They are not great programmers, but you can see that with enough experience, they will be. That said, even those that do not possess the potential for greatness advance significantly with experience. At a guesstimate, about 60% of the population can become acceptable quality programmers given enough experience (of course, initially they will suck) and a supporting environment (supporting includes not accepting mediocre). Of course, most of those will quit, because programming is a horrid job to do if you don't like it, but this is just to point you as to why Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Digital TV decoder USB sticks
trying to answer your mail below i noticed that indeed my reply has little relevance to linux-il so i'll add my words below... geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:17 AM, Boaz Rymland wrote: Just wanted to update that although the dongle supposed to be working, it fails to find any channels: - drivers are loaded when its pushed into the USB socket. devices are appearing under /dev/dvb (IIRC) (tried also chmoding them to 777). - kaffeine appears to communicate with the dongle ok and when combing the frequency scale I do see some high signals along the scan (tried to use auto area mode, NZ, and several IL suggested configurations as well). - vlc method described in this thread is not showing any video as well. - Under Windows, the dongle works ok - finds the Israeli channels with no hassle (well, after buying the connecting an amplified antenna. Kudos to the experts in our ministry of communications for the lame launch of DTT broadcasts [or in other words - what is a trial/testing period for?])). So, while I remain optimistic about the prospect interoperability of the Apex 328 dongle with Linux (Ubuntu 9.04), I wasn't successful in making them sing together. What program works under windows? I have not been able to get mine to work with the software on the CD, I never get any audio. It does work with VLC and DVBviewer which costs as much as the dongle cost me. I use the plain stock Windows CD, on my Vista. It just works, and works ok - with sounds, as I'd expect from a Windows application. If you have dual head setup try moving to a single head and test it again. Can't say much other than that. I have not been able to try it on Linux because I found that the UBUNTU netbook package does not have VLC on it, and I have to re download it, convert it to an ISO and then burn a DVD to install it on a memory stick. This is because my ubuntu computers are too slow to decode the signal, and I can't afford to mess with repartitoning my netbook. what would putting it on a usb stick help ? does this stick have some processor with it? (don't you refer to a simple diskonkey?). I tried it with some other freeware windows programs and it also could not find any channels. The same with two different MacOS programs. i can imagine the frustration. and the hours those trials take... . In windows I found that if I save the chanels.conf file I gave you and point vlc to it as in vlc channels.conf It figures out what to do. Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Digital TV decoder USB sticks
oops. was supposed to be sent privately. sorry. Boaz Rymland wrote: trying to answer your mail below i noticed that indeed my reply has little relevance to linux-il so i'll add my words below... geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:17 AM, Boaz Rymland wrote: Just wanted to update that although the dongle supposed to be working, it fails to find any channels: - drivers are loaded when its pushed into the USB socket. devices are appearing under /dev/dvb (IIRC) (tried also chmoding them to 777). - kaffeine appears to communicate with the dongle ok and when combing the frequency scale I do see some high signals along the scan (tried to use auto area mode, NZ, and several IL suggested configurations as well). - vlc method described in this thread is not showing any video as well. - Under Windows, the dongle works ok - finds the Israeli channels with no hassle (well, after buying the connecting an amplified antenna. Kudos to the experts in our ministry of communications for the lame launch of DTT broadcasts [or in other words - what is a trial/testing period for?])). So, while I remain optimistic about the prospect interoperability of the Apex 328 dongle with Linux (Ubuntu 9.04), I wasn't successful in making them sing together. What program works under windows? I have not been able to get mine to work with the software on the CD, I never get any audio. It does work with VLC and DVBviewer which costs as much as the dongle cost me. I use the plain stock Windows CD, on my Vista. It just works, and works ok - with sounds, as I'd expect from a Windows application. If you have dual head setup try moving to a single head and test it again. Can't say much other than that. I have not been able to try it on Linux because I found that the UBUNTU netbook package does not have VLC on it, and I have to re download it, convert it to an ISO and then burn a DVD to install it on a memory stick. This is because my ubuntu computers are too slow to decode the signal, and I can't afford to mess with repartitoning my netbook. what would putting it on a usb stick help ? does this stick have some processor with it? (don't you refer to a simple diskonkey?). I tried it with some other freeware windows programs and it also could not find any channels. The same with two different MacOS programs. i can imagine the frustration. and the hours those trials take... . In windows I found that if I save the chanels.conf file I gave you and point vlc to it as in vlc channels.conf It figures out what to do. Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Digital TV decoder USB sticks
Hi, Thanks for the input. Just wanted to update that although the dongle supposed to be working, it fails to find any channels: - drivers are loaded when its pushed into the USB socket. devices are appearing under /dev/dvb (IIRC) (tried also chmoding them to 777). - kaffeine appears to communicate with the dongle ok and when combing the frequency scale I do see some high signals along the scan (tried to use auto area mode, NZ, and several IL suggested configurations as well). - vlc method described in this thread is not showing any video as well. - Under Windows, the dongle works ok - finds the Israeli channels with no hassle (well, after buying the connecting an amplified antenna. Kudos to the experts in our ministry of communications for the lame launch of DTT broadcasts [or in other words - what is a trial/testing period for?])). So, while I remain optimistic about the prospect interoperability of the Apex 328 dongle with Linux (Ubuntu 9.04), I wasn't successful in making them sing together. Any pointers, tips, etc would be appreciated. Thanks, Boaz. geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi, I bought this toy today. I'm glad to say that it worked out of the box in Ubuntu 9.04 - or at least it appears so: Kaffeine is happy with it, I do have /dev/dvb/ devices and dmesg seems to report that the drivers are ok. I bet the following kernel drivers are related: dvb_usb_af9015, af9013, dvb_usb. Scanning for channels works as well but that's where the party ends - at least where I live (in Petach Tikva) I get zero channels reception. I switched to Windows, installed the little thingy + its software and verified that indeed its a matter of reception - no channels on Windows too :-( . If you need more info let me know. This is the information I got from Guy with my annotations about frequencies on the bottom: y...@golem3:~$ cat /home/guy/channels.conf CH2:51400:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_AUTO:QAM_16:TRANSMISSION_MODE_2K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:512:4112:1 CH10:51400:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_AUTO:QAM_16:TRANSMISSION_MODE_2K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:513:4113:2 CH1:51400:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_AUTO:QAM_16:TRANSMISSION_MODE_2K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:514:4114:3 CH33:51400:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_AUTO:QAM_16:TRANSMISSION_MODE_2K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:515:4115:4 CH99:51400:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_AUTO:QAM_16:TRANSMISSION_MODE_2K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_32:HIERARCHY_NONE:516:4116:5 followed this: http://davidwinter.me.uk/articles/2008/02/08/watching-freeview-dvb-t-tv-with-vlc-player-on-ubuntu/ vlc dvb-t://frequency=51400:bandwidth=8:inversion=0 does it all. (this is for the center of israel, for the north and south the frequency is 53800 Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Digital TV decoder USB sticks
Hi, I bought this toy today. I'm glad to say that it worked out of the box in Ubuntu 9.04 - or at least it appears so: Kaffeine is happy with it, I do have /dev/dvb/ devices and dmesg seems to report that the drivers are ok. I bet the following kernel drivers are related: dvb_usb_af9015, af9013, dvb_usb. Scanning for channels works as well but that's where the party ends - at least where I live (in Petach Tikva) I get zero channels reception. I switched to Windows, installed the little thingy + its software and verified that indeed its a matter of reception - no channels on Windows too :-( . If you need more info let me know. I'll try it soon on my laptop in another location - I'm anxious to see how it works. Boaz. geoffrey mendelson wrote: My son just brought home a flyer from BUG, they are selling a USB digital TV decoder stick for 99 NIS if you buy 99 NIS of something else. If someone buys one, please post if it is supported by Linux. Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: touchpad can't be re-enabled after disabled
No matter what I do the output is always TouchpadOff = 0. Running that command didn't induce any change in behavior. Boaz. Mark Bloch wrote: what's the output of : synclient -l | grep TouchpadOff if it's 1, you can try this: synclient TouchpadOff=0 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
Hi all, So I made the move and bought it. Here are my findings: *Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of the specs are the same. *Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.* * *Wifi:* worked out of the box (atheros). *Touchpad:* Worked out of the box, but disabling it and then trying to enable it - it is not enabled, until X (or was it machine?) restart. Anybody got a link for a solution? *Card Reader:* Worked out of the box, at least with SD card (didn't try other types). *X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops with my GPU/screen specs). *Power management:* with the nvidia driver mentioned above used, power management worked perfectly. I configured my laptop to do as I wish upon lead closing (for AC/battery) and it works smoothly. CPU Scaling was also perfectly supported. *Bluetooth? *not on this model. just ordered a tiny BT USB dongle. Hope that it works... . *WebCam:* not working out of the box. Haven't really tried setting it up yet. *Sound:* worked out of the box. *Anything else? *mail me for questions... . Boaz. Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi all, Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for linux word in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptopkeyword=linux). In specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc... The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500. Thanks, Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
IMHO, that should be the standard practice for open source minded people (and in general - non-commercial mindset people), even if not zealously practiced. Boaz. Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 04 September 2009 02:19:23 Boaz Rymland wrote: [clip] *Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of the specs are the same. *Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.* [clip] *X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops with my GPU/screen specs). [clip] *Anything else? *mail me for questions... . I'd like to see you post exactly what you did in order to get X running. Where did you get the drivers? Where in your filesystem did you put them? How did you tell Ubuntu's package manager they were custom? Did you alter System- Administration-software_sources? What's the URL of the xorg.conf? The process you used is a somewhat generic solution to the ongoing problem of video hardware that's newer than the distribution. I REALLY appreciate the fact that you took the time to post your [SOLVED] solution. When googling for error messages, I typically get 50 questions for every answer. Most people, upon answering it for themselves, don't consider others trying to walk the same path. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
touchpad can't be re-enabled after disabled
Hi, I have a new laptop (Acer 5738 mentioned in a different thread) which I have a nagging problem with: I have this nice and useful button right next to the touchpad, for disabling it (when working with mouse and using the keyboard and prefer not having pointer distracted by occasional touches on the touchpad while typing). The problem is that when I use it, all is gute and the touchpad is disabled but when I try to re-enable the touchpad its still disabled. This is fixed only after a shutdown of the system, or suspend of it. I failed to find any useful help on the web. When I run hal-device or lspci (-v) I find nothing like touchpad or synaptic. Any tip? Thanks, Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
Steve Litt wrote: On Friday 04 September 2009 02:19:23 Boaz Rymland wrote: [clip] *Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of the specs are the same. *Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.* [clip] *X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops with my GPU/screen specs). [clip] *Anything else? *mail me for questions... . I'd like to see you post exactly what you did in order to get X running. Where did you get the drivers? Where in your filesystem did you put them? How did you tell Ubuntu's package manager they were custom? Did you alter System- More details on getting X to work: At first I tried to use ubuntu's (System-Administration-Hardware drivers) identification of the hardware that would typically result in suggestion to use nvidia propriety drivers. It did, and I went with it suggestion. Version 180 (IIRC) of the nvidia drivers was installed but all It didn't work - I got corrupted 6 windows instead of one nice LED-lit screen :-) Next, I realized and saw on the web (and docs) that version 180 of the drivers do not support my relatively new GPU. I decided to give nv drivers a shot. I'm not a gamer anyhow. nv didn't work nice with my screen - I failed to see the full resolution of it. Maybe I could have make it work with nv, but I saw it simply takes too much time so... After sawing on nvnews.net (forums) that my GPU is supported (beta? don't recall) in version 185 of the drivers (which is to this time the latest stable nvidia release of drivers for linux) I decided to install it. You download a nice binary from their site. Its a self contained installer that you just need to run as root. There's a wizard there that collects your answers and preferences, and does the rest, including all. Ubuntu package manager on the laptop is not aware of this package. That's the downside of course. Note that their installer installed binaries all over the system, installs a kernel module, overwrites (asks permission to) your xorg.conf and more, so its quite obtrusive. But, AFAIK their installer job-quality is ok and has an uninstall feature that actually works (as far as I can recall from the past). Like mentioned before I still downloaded an xorg.conf suggested on nvnews.net forums and only after using it everything worked ok. Mail me if you need it. cest tout. Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
Michael Shiloh wrote: I'd love to know if the Arduino IDE and FTDI USB serial port drivers function properly. Do you have an Arduino, or can you borrow one from someone to test? Possibly I have one - I just need to know how it looks like to figure that out :-) What's that? This?: http://www.arduino.cc/ . If so, then I don't have one. If you have that thing and want me to plug it into the USB, mail me privately to see if its possible. Boaz. Of course the first part (Arduino IDE) can be downloaded for free and tested. IIRC Ubuntu 9.04 includes the FTDI driver already. Thanks! Michael Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi all, So I made the move and bought it. Here are my findings: *Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of the specs are the same. *Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.* * *Wifi:* worked out of the box (atheros). *Touchpad:* Worked out of the box, but disabling it and then trying to enable it - it is not enabled, until X (or was it machine?) restart. Anybody got a link for a solution? *Card Reader:* Worked out of the box, at least with SD card (didn't try other types). *X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops with my GPU/screen specs). *Power management:* with the nvidia driver mentioned above used, power management worked perfectly. I configured my laptop to do as I wish upon lead closing (for AC/battery) and it works smoothly. CPU Scaling was also perfectly supported. *Bluetooth? *not on this model. just ordered a tiny BT USB dongle. Hope that it works... . *WebCam:* not working out of the box. Haven't really tried setting it up yet. *Sound:* worked out of the box. *Anything else? *mail me for questions... . Boaz. Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi all, Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for linux word in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptopkeyword=linux http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptopkeyword=linux). In specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc... The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500. Thanks, Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Please recommend a web host in Israel
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:54:46 +0300, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: A friend needs a web host for a small project. He will need a catchall email address, mysql, and PHP. He needs just a few MB of storage and not much transfer, but there should be options to increase should the project progress. He already has a domain name. Please recommend to me a web host. We have been looking at evolution.co.il so any comments (both good and bad) about that host would be appreciated. Thanks. Can't say anything about evolution. I can recommend nsa.co.il . I'm not using any other Israeli hosting services their servers are very responsive, in comparison to big foreign hosting services. The service is very responsive as well (even when considering the fact that I know the owner personally - I know how he treats the clients). Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:06:43 +0300, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: On Sunday, 30 בAugust 2009 07:52:18 Boaz Rymland wrote: ... or, go for sure on the Linux pre-installed ones. Just a general warning (don't know if it applies to this specific model). Many devices on the market with Linux pre-installed have some binary components that make them worthless -- install your own version and many important features will stop working. and isn't there a way, if it can be generalized at all, to: get a linux preinstalled laptop, install your own linux, then install the manufacturer packages/updates separately? Alternatively, can one, with little effort, collect those binaries from his pre-installed linux prior to installing other linux and put them on the new installation? (I guess this can be done, but the question is how much resources are needed to fully move all). Thanks, Boaz. As an example you can take all netbooks with Intel GMA-500 graphics chipset (Poulsbo) which needs binary blobs to function. AFAIK, many of Dell's netbooks are equipped with this chipset, so although they are pre-installed with Ubuntu your install/upgrade options are very restricted. This is an example of really bad move from Intel who otherwise has excellent free software support for its hardware. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Drupal or Joomla for Heb-Eng Site?
Hi, * The specified requirements list was much too slim to judge (how much does a suite for an orphan cost? Is there such a sentence in English? :-) * This is a hot debate between enthusiasts from both camps. * Here are some links that try to address this issue: o http://www.topnotchthemes.com/blog/090224/drupal-vs-joomla-frank-comparison-ibm-consultant o http://www.alledia.com/blog/general-cms-issues/joomla-and-drupal-which-one-is-right-for-you/ o http://mydrupal.com/joomla-versus-drupal o http://drupal.org/node/563294 o and there are many many more... Boaz. Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote: Which is preferred for building a Hebrew-English site, Drupal or Joomla? The management interface can be in English. I will need content and menus in He and En though. Thanks in advance. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
Hi all, Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for linux word in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptopkeyword=linux). In specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc... The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500. Thanks, Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux
Thanks for the input. The Linux powered Acer laptop comes with Linpus as far as I can tell. I see in Zap other Acers with Linux but searching the net I see my targeted model powered with Linpus as well (In India, for example). I still contemplate on whether to go with the Windows powered model, which offers several goodies over the somewhat older Linux ones (like HDMI, DDR-III RAM, LED display) and hope all would work, or, go for sure on the Linux pre-installed ones. The two options cost very similar here. Boaz. Steve Litt wrote: On Saturday 29 August 2009 16:52:49 Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi all, Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for linux word in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptopkeyword=linux). My Acer Aspire 5102WLMi runs Ubuntu 64 bit 9.04 very well. In specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power management/scaling, I never noticed, but I know the hard disk stops spinning and the screen goes black after a few minutes. wifi, Beautifully. Atheros is a thing of beauty. bluetooth, card reader, I never use those so I can't say. X Beautifully with one exception. It does NOT work with most video projectors in X. Neither does my other Linux laptop. The fonts are very nice on the LCD screen. , etc etc... Sound works very nicely. Flash specific sites work just fine. I haven't used the built in webcam. SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: php cli is trying to resolve
ik wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il mailto:tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: What addresses? Machine local names, but when I changed the DNS addresses to faster addresses it takes no more then few MS to have a result. probably php itself populating its predefined global $_SERVER vars and getting stuck on DNS or reverse DNS on this. I can not reproduce it on any other Linux that I have tried to (Ubuntu, debian and Arch Linux). Different modules loaded? Probably, but I can't figure out in strace what module actually do it, that's why I posted the question here. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org mailto:tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il mailto:tzaf...@cohens.org.il | | best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il Thanks, Ido ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:33:15 +0300, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: 1) the dual screen stopped working correctly, and actually I cannot set the screen resolution to high enough. Does anyone know /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not seem to change when I change the configuration via the GUI. So how can I reconfigure the X ? What's your GPU chipset? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
geoffrey mendelson wrote: After 3 days of running it can not make a connection to the outisde world. I have to reboot to get it to work. Other computers runing Ubuntu have the same problem, 3 days after they were booted, but ones running other operating systems don't. I had a similar issue that was resolved when I switched to a PCI ethernet adapter with different chipset. In my case it seemed as if the network total loss was related to long periods of idle time - overnight and such. I suspected that whatever power management or other idle-time related mechanism wasn't functioning ok. Replacing the NIC resolved it. Ubuntu is not perfect. I hope the descriptions here are not a sign of a major issue with this release. To the good or worse, its (arguably) one of the best Linux distros out there and most likely the first recommended by many to be your grandma's Windows replacement. I also get irritated by it at times, but I also got irritated by Gentoo (eventually it took me took much time to simply maintain it) and you can find similar problems in any distro - even if you a true Linux zealot :-) Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: stealing domain names by Israeli registrar
Well well. Its seems like we are not even breaking grounds here. The trick's has been around for some time now. Thanks for the links. Informative indeed. Boaz. Dotan Cohen wrote: 2009/4/17 Boaz Rymland b...@rymland.com: Hi all, Consultation needed: A friend of mine and myself are volunteering to launch a charity web site. My friend is not proficient in web technologies so when he went to check for registration of the domain, he followed the instructions recommended on one of the Israeli registrars - internic.co.il and check through their website the vacancy of the domain we wanted, with .co.il . It was as vacant as it can be. The following day, he went to actually register the domain and guess what? The domain was already registered(!)... . This smelled very fishy: the domain name was very unlikely to be requested by coincidence at that exact timing; the person holding the domain was some Israeli name with a very unreadable email address ending in some .info domain (cannot quote the email address here - see PS section below). Now I have another friend who's deep into the hosting business and he immediately told me that the owners of Internic.co.il are know to be doing this very ugly move on whois queries running through their web site. My questions: * is that business method illegal? * what can be done here in order to react? (be the internic method legal or not). Thanks! Boaz. P.S. * luckily for us, after I talked to my friend we made it clear that the needed domain should finish with a .org, not .co.il, so we actually weren't hit by Internic sting. The incident was and still is, very irritating. * the .co.il domain was hijacked on March 24 (IIRC) but its now free - no registration records exists for it so I cannot quote the snatcher details. But, since Internic (or the people they're affiliated with) are making a living in the described method, it should be rather easy to prove how they work - its a little matter of persistence... . Network Solutions is known to do this as well: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/08/1920215 Actually, it is not uncommon: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/28/1458247 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ot: isps
I'm using Nezeq-Intl + Hot with no such issues. But: * I'm connecting via a router that manages the connection for me (I guess I would have still felt it - and I'm not). * maybe talk to them and try to change the connection type - pptp/ppoe/direct/etc. (I was using pptp until a few days and now direct connection without those issues). * I am unable to use Bitorrent these days. This is new thing for me - maybe a week or two and very annoying. AFAIK, and unfortunately, this also almost common practice for Israeli ISPs these days: http://shimi.net/2008/07/28/et-tu-bezeqint/ Boaz. Erez D wrote: hi i want a new Internet connection for my home. first i thought of trying the cellular companies. any experience with them ? are they good ? i am still connected to bbl+hot. i experience problems in creating a connection. one of every 10 connections doesn't open, and i need to reload the page ... are other experiencing the same problems with them ? 10x, erez ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
stealing domain names by Israeli registrar
Hi all, Consultation needed: A friend of mine and myself are volunteering to launch a charity web site. My friend is not proficient in web technologies so when he went to check for registration of the domain, he followed the instructions recommended on one of the Israeli registrars - internic.co.il and check through their website the vacancy of the domain we wanted, with .co.il . It was as vacant as it can be. The following day, he went to actually register the domain and guess what? The domain was already registered(!)... . This smelled very fishy: the domain name was very unlikely to be requested by coincidence at that exact timing; the person holding the domain was some Israeli name with a very unreadable email address ending in some .info domain (cannot quote the email address here - see PS section below). Now I have another friend who's deep into the hosting business and he immediately told me that the owners of Internic.co.il are know to be doing this very ugly move on whois queries running through their web site. *My questions*: * is that business method illegal? * what can be done here in order to react? (be the internic method legal or not). Thanks! Boaz. *P.S.* * luckily for us, after I talked to my friend we made it clear that the needed domain should finish with a .org, not .co.il, so we actually weren't hit by Internic sting. The incident was and still is, very irritating. * the .co.il domain was hijacked on March 24 (IIRC) but its now free - no registration records exists for it so I cannot quote the snatcher details. But, since Internic (or the people they're affiliated with) are making a living in the described method, it should be rather easy to prove how they work - its a little matter of persistence... . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for desktop search tool under Linux
Beagle once created huge log files in its directory under my home dir, which clogged my filesystem. It took a while to find the culprit but afterwards it was pretty fast to purge it from my system :-) . That incident, couple with very little use I had for it, convinced me to drop it altogether. Nobody mentioned the long proven, useful and (very) lean on resources - Linux command line tools like locate, grep, find, vi and probably a few good other dinosaurs which I left out of the list. They do what I want today to the point that I don't feel an urge to find such a tool as you describe. Yes, the downside is considerable as well - they are hard to use to the point that probably the new Linux user (=my mother, if she would have ever considered using Linux...) will never use them. I just mention these tools for the sake of the record :-) Boaz. but yes - not trivial command line for the casual user (=my mother, if she had used Linux in the first place :-) Yuval Hager wrote: בSaturday 04 April 2009, נכתב על ידי Omer Zak: So I am asking: 1. Which desktop search tool are you using under Linux? Beagle. I dumped it once for the same reasons you described, but recently I went for the hunt again, and found that beagle has the most index plugins, and it indexes almost everything I have. 2. What are its good and bad points? It's not as a hog as it was, it integrates nicely with KDE (kerry). I'm not too impress with its search capabilities, but it does a fairly good job. On occasion I am getting angry with it and closing it until I need it again. 3. How happy are you with it? Pretty happy. --y ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for desktop search tool under Linux
Omer Zak wrote: The huge files (index and log files) were not a problem for me. I set aside a separate multi-GB partition for Beagle's use, directing it to use it by an appropriately planted symbolic link. Even if I had lots of diskspace I still wouldn't have liked the fact that beagle waste so much of it and more over, the fact that I need to track its disk usage. But, its a matter of taste of course. I use those traditional command line tools, too. The problem is that they are very slow when I want to search significant parts of my PC's filesystem. Therefore I need a search tool which I would expect to index the information for easier subsequent retrieval. Right, searching over large subtrees of your FS can be quite slow. There are probably even more downsides to command line tools. Well, nobody's perfect :-) Boaz. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: No noobs?
No. Trolls should die (noobs or not). Boaz. On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:47:32 +0200, Jacob Broido wrote: noobs should die. On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: While referring a new Linux user to the Linux-il mailing list, I found this text on the page: No newbie questions (use gnubies-il instead). Can the lists be merged? This list is low enough traffic that doubling it should not be a problem, and the separation of noobs and gurus means that few gurus see the noobs posts, and they never get the help that they need. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com [2] http://gibberish.co.il [3] א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il [4] http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il [5] -- Not gonna be king of the world if you're slave to the grind - Skid Row Links: -- [1] mailto:dotanco...@gmail.com [2] http://what-is-what.com [3] http://gibberish.co.il [4] mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il [5] http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
OFFTOPIC: Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
Similarly, due to time constraints I'm not currently performing any active steps with the several spam emails that I have received lately, all from some coaching/spiritual spammer. If there's a lawyer or someone with enough spare time on his hands in the crowd who wishes to raise the glove please reply privately. Boaz. Dotan Cohen wrote: I have started getting Hebrew spam again, even now that the new anti-spam law is in place. Sure, I _could_ just filter it, but I would prefer to make life miserable for the spammers, even at my own expense. What legal tools do I have? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: backing up mysql database (mysqldump)
Uri Evenhen More wrote: Hi Friends, I am hosting my website on Servage.net, where I don't get SSH access. I need to run mysqldump in order to backup my mysql database to SQL format (I need the backup in SQL format). Is there a way to run mysqldump without using SSH access? Does phpmyadmin support this? Yes - login to phpmyadmin, choose DB, then click on the export tab (while still viewing the DB, not a specific table). Choose your export preferences and go. They also have cron scripts enabled - can I put such a command in my cron job? Please help. Thanks, Uri Evenhen More (Ore) Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://www.speedy.net/uri/blog/ Now working on version l.l of the pie - defined as o/o or olo or lol. I discovered the number of dots is very important - l..l is not equal to l.l; and l is not equal to l. I am working on dividing your numbers and numbering your primes. it's very complicated, since every number can be considered prime, not prime, integer and irrational. remember there is at least one more root to every equation than what you previously thought, for example there are at least pie square roots of the number pie. Update: moved my blog to http://www.speedy.net/uri/blog/ . I decided to remove other content from this website. [o-o-o-oo-o-o-o][o-o-o-oo-o-o-o] - This message is confidential - [o-o-o-oo-o-o-o][o-o-o-oo-o-o-o] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re, more readable?: Email Hosting (POP+SMTP) Recommendation
Having reverse DNS point to your fixed IP is not that difficult at all (if I got the thread's idea right). Been there done that a year+ ago and Bezeq int and 013 Barak agreed on providing this entry in their DNS servers for free, when I already had a fixed IP. The whole thing is really negotiable with ISPs and technically, I guess, its a simple thing for them (perhaps managing those entries is a little challenge). IIRC, bezeq int didn't even argue while 013 barak needed a little persuasion. Both agreed at the end. As usual, unfortunately, the biggest amount of time I needed to invest in setting this configuration with my ISP was explaining to support people what I'm talking about and trying to get as quickly as possible their business technical support, which where the only ones to understand what I'm talking about and hence to provide it :-) Boaz. P.S., I'm off of hosting a mail server via a standard broadband account (after several good years of doing so). Moved to a hosting service (www.thinkhost.com) to do that. Shaul Karl wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: Shaul Karl wrote: Take a look at [3-5] of http://whatsup.org.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2file=viewtopict=45462 Yes, I'll try to solve it. However, experience shows that this is not, by far, a simple thing to ask. This difficulty is probably an important reason why MTAs bother about it in the first place. On the other hand, my understanding is that an ISP client with a fixed IP get it, or perhaps a reverse pointer forwarding (to his dns), on demand. I'll handle it next week sometime and see whether anything changes. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox chokes on YNET
To the best of my knowledge its not the flash objects on the page but rather the JS they use there. I was told once its the scrolling news thingy they use which eats the CPU. Ori Idan wrote: I think it is because of the the many flash adds they have. Use adblock to block these adds and it should work fine. -- Ori Idan On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have firefox 2.0.0.16 http://2.0.0.16 on Mandriva 2008.1 - all packages up-to-date. When I open YNET, CPU usage jumps to about 150% (AMD dual core - over 70% on each core). Closing YNET brings thngs back to normal. Has anyone seen this and/or any solutions? BTW - I should mention that I have way too many FF extensions, but that doesn't cause any problems on other sites, so I don't think there's any connection. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.9.9 (KDE 3.5.9) on LINUX Mandriva 2008.1 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ספרים וסיפורים שכתבתי: http://www.thestories.org
Re: 64-bit linux
Well, to me, there was some hassle, but frankly its not that great. Just recently I've installed Kubuntu 8.04, 64bit version on my office desktop (some new Dell machine). I don't remember anything too special I needed to mess with. Also, things are improving with time so I guess bad experiences from the past are becoming more and more - a thing of the past (like Linux usage in general, which is becoming more convenient, skipping the need to be a rocket scientist to get a common and useful functionality out of it). Boaz. Amos Shapira wrote: 2008/7/5 Boaz Rymland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Usually you'll come quite quickly on a need for the 32bit libraries, be it for (I'm not sure I'm correct or updated with all my examples) Flash plug-in for your browser (or other browser issues, like firebug extension, although I think in FF3 this is solved), Sun Java JRE and some other propriety or closed source applications/libraries (perhaps skype client as well, for sound device usage, not sure). In any case, I don't think there's any harm from installing those libraries so I guess that either way is safe and ok to go. My personal experience is that 64 bit (7.10 and 8.04) on Desktop wasn't worth the hassle if you want to use proprietary software - Flash never worked well (non-Adobe aren't there yet) and other proprietary software (Picasa, possibly Google Earth but this week I noticed that they have 64-bit version for that) also was a hassle to install and then didn't work (don't remember details). I since switched to 32-bit and forgot all about it. Back when I had 64 bit, I followed all sorts of how-to's on getting things working with it and it never was right (e.g. Flash never worked). Now with 32 bit on my desktop and laptop, I don't see any disadvantages (it doesn't feel any slower and it can make use of the 2Gb RAM I have). I don't use my desktops for C/C++ development. I do most of my dev in Perl now and use (64bit) CentOS servers for production deployment. Your requirements may vary. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 64-bit linux
Same with me - flash worked out of the box inc. its sound. I don't even remember any special packages that I needed to install for (this doesn't mean that they weren't any but I don't have bad memories of it). Noam Meltzer wrote: On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 64-bit generally works, yes. It's just that the little things in the edges can get annoying at some stage. Did you get Flash to work (I mean - to a level that allows you to view all the Flash-using web sites that you care about)? Flash works in kubuntu 8.04 64bit, out of the box. (using nspluginwrapper) Same goes for Acrobat Reader plugin. It was such a joy for me to discover this after the upgrade... This actually closed all the little edges which bothered me for 1.5 years in kubuntu 64bit.
Re: 64-bit linux
Usually you'll come quite quickly on a need for the 32bit libraries, be it for (I'm not sure I'm correct or updated with all my examples) Flash plug-in for your browser (or other browser issues, like firebug extension, although I think in FF3 this is solved), Sun Java JRE and some other propriety or closed source applications/libraries (perhaps skype client as well, for sound device usage, not sure). In any case, I don't think there's any harm from installing those libraries so I guess that either way is safe and ok to go. Boaz. Eran Levy wrote: Hi All, I've got a new duo-core laptop and installed the Ubuntu 64-bit compilation for the first time. Anything you can recommend? ALL 32-bit application can work on 64-bit? any exceptions? even GTK? Should I install any 32-bit libraries? Thanks for your help, Eran = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: controlling CPU's fan speed
Hi, Thanks for the reply. I didn't mentioned it verbosely but its a desktop machine, not a laptop. I'm not sure it means too much but I can add that when powering up the machine I do hear the FAN running at high speed but when it gets to OS loading phase it gets calmed down - for good until the next reboot. I would not want to cycle down the CPU in order to lower the heat. Not that I think it'll help: when the machine gets loaded (and even some sites when surfing via firefox cause lots of load) it gets warm very quickly (so cycling CPU down in advance wont gather coldness for tougher times. I think). Boaz. On my old HP nc8000 the fan speed was inaccessible through the OS. It would power up (and make a lot of noise) only on really high loads and the laptop would still get pretty hot. I had to use the powersaved daemon to (automatically) throttle the CPU freq when not needed. AFAIK this is the correct way to keep the temp down on laptops. Temps 50c are normal on high load situations. My current Dell (xps m1530) could boil an egg when running 100%. One more thing. After 3 years of continuous usage, my nc8000 cpu's airflow got blocked by a big solid pile of dirt. This resulted in extremely high temps (even the keyboard was burning). Don't forget to check yours for dust and dirt! Alex On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Boaz Rymland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've recently discovered that on my HP Pavillion 6010a the CPU fan is most likely always running at its lowest CPU fan speed. This results in relatively high CPU temperatures - when machine is loaded (and since its running Gentoo its loaded quite a few times ;-), its reaching 70 degrees Celsius. I know this still might be in the green zone for the AMD Athlon 64 (single core) its using but I'd rather keep it in even greener area of its threshold. I've searched the net and played with some stuff but mostly didn't find exactly the utility I'm looking for. I can use cpufrequtils to lower CPU cycles, which works ok, but why would I prefer hampering my machine's performance instead of simply pushing the fan cycles up?... . I took a look at lm-sensors but it has a too big config file (/etc/sensors.conf) for my time constraints right now and I'm not sure it'll help. In /proc/acpi/fan/FAN I have only state which when cating, prints: status: on. Anyone knows how to hasten the CPU speed on such a system? TIA, Boaz. -- | | Alex Alexander | http://linuxized.blogspot.com | http://www.nerd.gr \ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
controlling CPU's fan speed
Hi, I've recently discovered that on my HP Pavillion 6010a the CPU fan is most likely always running at its lowest CPU fan speed. This results in relatively high CPU temperatures - when machine is loaded (and since its running Gentoo its loaded quite a few times ;-), its reaching 70 degrees Celsius. I know this still might be in the green zone for the AMD Athlon 64 (single core) its using but I'd rather keep it in even greener area of its threshold. I've searched the net and played with some stuff but mostly didn't find exactly the utility I'm looking for. I can use cpufrequtils to lower CPU cycles, which works ok, but why would I prefer hampering my machine's performance instead of simply pushing the fan cycles up?... . I took a look at lm-sensors but it has a too big config file (/etc/sensors.conf) for my time constraints right now and I'm not sure it'll help. In /proc/acpi/fan/FAN I have only state which when cating, prints: status: on. Anyone knows how to hasten the CPU speed on such a system? TIA, Boaz.
Re: all-in-one ink printer : looking for recommendations
Hi, Thanks all for the replies. I can summarize my pearls of wisdom here: - I learned that HP has very good Linux support. With the popularity of HP in our country (like Subaru/Mazda in cars almost), I think I'll go for an HP. - HP drivers for Windows can indeed be a pain. I've heard feedback from someone I work for that their HP printer (not sure which model) drivers needed 300MB(!) of free disk space to install. That's what I call abusing, but hey - Windows users should not be surprised too much, I guess, but rather accept the verdict and follow the masses quietly... :-) . - Laser all-in-one devices are not a match for my needs. I've read that the laser color output is not as good as inkjets in photos (don't have a link/reference) and the price is much higher (around 2Knis, IIRC). Also, today's inkjets are reliable and durable enough to be trusted upon, even with relatively serious demands (in contrast to their ancestors from years ago which were not as reliable as today's models). - Looking for professional advise? Don't expect much from the seller at the store. I had a couple of conversations in Office Depot and the knowledge level of the sales person was embarrassing. Most of the times they know not much more than to repeat the specs printed on the carton boxes, and sometimes not even that. - The models I'll look into are: (all HP): 6313, 5783, 7580 (not sorted in any particular order). Thanks again for all the input! Boaz. Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi, I'm looking into buying an all-in-one printer. I'll probably go for ink printer since I don't print too much and printing color output would be useful. The required/preferred specs are: - having good printer drivers under Linux. - working scanner functionality under Linux is highly desirable. - independent fax capability - preferably a machine compact in size. - shared printing: I need to be able to print to it from windows and linux. I don't mind how this is achieved (setting linux as a printer server, network presence of the printer, etc) as long as its easy (enough) to install and maintain. - under 1000nis (will this be a problem?... at least not much more than this limit). If you can share some of your experience that would be great! Thanks, Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
all-in-one ink printer : looking for recommendations
Hi, I'm looking into buying an all-in-one printer. I'll probably go for ink printer since I don't print too much and printing color output would be useful. The required/preferred specs are: - having good printer drivers under Linux. - working scanner functionality under Linux is highly desirable. - independent fax capability - preferably a machine compact in size. - shared printing: I need to be able to print to it from windows and linux. I don't mind how this is achieved (setting linux as a printer server, network presence of the printer, etc) as long as its easy (enough) to install and maintain. - under 1000nis (will this be a problem?... at least not much more than this limit). If you can share some of your experience that would be great! Thanks, Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing text direction in KDE apps
Adding that what already suggested, you can fire up a qt configuration utility (GUI). In Gentoo at least, its called qtconfig (and it appears that its part of the QT libraries I have on the machine. Under tab interface you can find a check box named enhanced support for languages written in right-to-left. Check it, log out of X, login back, and check again... . Boaz. Dotan Cohen wrote: Does anyone know how to change the direction of text in KDE applications from LTR to RTL and back? In Mozilla apps Ctrl-Shift-X switched direction, for those who did not know. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OpenOffice in educational institutes in Israel?
This might interest a few people here: http://it.themarker.com/tmit/article/2992 Could it *be it*, finally? There have been such plays in the past, usually to attract attention and get lower prices from M$. Seems like it is a real first step, and a considerable one(?). If so, its a nice way to start the morning :-) Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OFFTOPIC: Asus EEE in Israel
Amos Shapira wrote: On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip]... The other machine mentioned on this thread (forgot its name) which comes also with a small hard drive, might be a little more attractive for some users. One of them is the Everex CloudBook - http://www.everex.com/, sold in walmart for the same price, while it comes with 30GB HD and 1.2Mhz processor (some Via chip). I can't compare them too professionally but: 1. Google for Eee PC killer and you'll see several models that compete or will compete when they are released, with Asus Eee PC. 2. I would wait a bit: something with a bit bigger display, and preferably more CPU-powerful, at a similar price (and I know that Asus is going to provide an updated Eee model with bigger display) would be much more useful for wider market since it could run more than remote SSH client, email client and could actually run some software usefully. Web developers could run for example their favorite IDE (if they use one...) which can be a Java application. Boaz. These were the 7 screens with Xendros on them (at least one had Ubuntu installed on it, but I just looked at it, didn't play with it), maybe the promised 10 will be better in that regard. So they are exciting, and coming from a mainstream vendor will hopefully cause a big splash about the usability of Linux on the desktop, but... buyer beware. --Amos
Re: using only left alt-shift for language changing
Hi, I'm not sure about the second criteria (without any other key presses) but I use the following configuration in KDE to have switching to hebrew on Alt+ *LEFT* shift : In xorg.conf I have: Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbLayout us,il EndSection In KDE control panel there is: - Hebrew layout defined (regional accessibility - keyboard layout). - Of course - Make caps lock additional Control ! ;-) (keyboard layout - Xkb options tab) Now, leave KDE setting for layout switching on Ctrl+Alt+k. Now logout of KD to your console. Edit $HOME/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals and edit the line Switch to Next Keyboard Layout to something like Alt+Shift_L (no quotes), if only Left shift specification is enough for you. Never tried specifying Alt_L or something like that. Good luck, Boaz. Micha Feigin wrote: I am currently using alt-shift to toggle the input language in X (so that others using the machine don't get confused trying to switch to hebrew). the problem is that there are some required shell and emacs commands that need both alt and shift (such as Meta-% in emacs and Alt- in bash). Is there a way to limit group switching in X to just the left-alt + left-shift combination or even better, only when no other extra character was pressed? thanks = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Asus EEE and hebrew
The following (Hebrew) article adds more interesting info about this cool gadget, indeed, and doesn't hint that the localization will be made with M$. I sure hope that'll be the final direction they'll choose as well: http://www.haaretz.co.il/captain/pages/ShArtCaptain.jhtml?contrassID=11subContrassID=0sbSubContrassID=0itemNo=926090 Boaz. Oded Arbel wrote: On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 16:38 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: As many of you know, Asus is selling a very low cost notebook EEE PC for around $399 and it's quite a hit everywhere. The Israeli representative is RonLight (www.ronlight.co.il - don't bother looking at the site with Firefox, it's terrible) and they plan to bring it to Israel and sell it (I don't know for how much). One thing that they will need to do is to add hebrew, so since this EEE is running Xandros (which is debian based) I'm also not related at all to Ronlight, but the EeePC can also run MS-Windows XP and as Ronlight looks like a total MS shop (they sell Hebrew software support for MS-Windows running mobile devices) I would think that they probably intend to sell the Eee PC as a MS-Windows device. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANNOUNCE] PHP-Israel users group launched
Hi all, This might be of relevance to people on this list. PHP-Israel has recently formed up to create a local community for gathering and sharing information about PHP development and usage. It is on its early stages of enrollment but an active mailing list has already kicked off, where ideas are being shared discussed. This group has a web presence as well: http://www.php-israel.org/ where it has info that answers probably most of your questions about it. All invited!... . Shana Tova! Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Career advice needed
As someone who worked in Zend up to recently and got a good sense of the market searching for opportunities that suits my somewhat similar needs, I can add the following bits of information: - Demand for PHP programmers in Israel has grown nicely recently. From very little some two years ago (and little tendency of the various local producers to use PHP) to very nice demand. I bet you're aware of the growing usage of PHP in Israel anyway. I know about lots in inquiries Zend people get, in a steadily growing pace, about either outsourcing PHP programming jobs or request for references for PHP speaking people. - Perl jobs are achievable as well. While searching for PHP jobs I was always been told by recruitment agencies if you want to utilize your Perl experience just let us know - we have offers for you. Yet, Perl programming is, at least from what I've been offered, mostly QA programming or other automated stuff (not what I preferred). Good luck with it! (I do believe you can find something good for you with less difficulty than estimated). Boaz. Amos Shapira wrote: On 31/08/2007, *Herouth Maoz* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm basically a PHP programmer, though in the past two years I've Short of doing a whole switch to kernel programming (or switch to becoming an airline pilot, which is what a friend of mine did and I wish I could :), you might want to consider expanding your existing skills towards related ones - SQL database design and programming should be useful in many places. Also I'm not sure about the market in Israel but I see demand for Perl programmers abroad (for all sorts of stuff, including web, system and application programming and system administration). Also taking this opportunity to learn administrative skills should pay off in any career you choose, IMHO. Good luck, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL
Hi Ira, I bumped into the same question some time ago - sending to iglu.org.il silently failed. Here's why: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg48796.html Boaz. Ira Abramov wrote: annoying! I just figured out why my posts to the list have disappeared in the last couple of months... the @iglu.org.il alias no longer points to huji. why is that? Uff... NM, here is the question again... - Forwarded message from Ira Abramov To: IGLU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Memory undectable on Intel server board S5000VCL Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:30:22 +0300 Howdie folks. I just transplanted my server to a new 1U Pizza. An amazing bargain. A Quad-core Xeon on a dual-CPU Intel board (room for enhancement!) with 4G of FBDIMMs, and two 500GB disks, all came to just over 10K NIS after taxes. The problems I see so far: hardware raid doesn't work in Debian (There are binary-only drivers for RHEL and SuSE EL), there are special editions of the e1000 drivers that are supposed to speed up the network through some partial off loading, I haven't read what they do yet. but the problem I am having is the PCI memory mapping. It's set at 2.5GB by default in the BIOS, and Debian Etch comes up and indeed sees only 2.5GB. I have set it up to 3.5G to lose less RAM, but I would still like to use the rest of the RAM! I tried booting with ram=4G but still the kernel sees only 3.5. I guess I need to use memmap= as well, but I don't have that information. the only clue is this tiny line in the BIOS docs: -PAE mode and the equivalent Linux mode must be set to see 2.5GB of memory. but running the debian bigmem kernel with 4G or less has an unwanted penalty on speed, doesn't it? any advice? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Getting illuminated keyboard to work
Hi, I have this new keyboard which has a nice blue backlight. To operate it, one is supposed to press the useless Scroll lock key. It works, but as I press this key, the light turns on, but the console locks up, until I press it again, turning off the light. As you can imagine, this render this backlight useless for me... . Further more, in X the whole thing doesn't work - Konsole (KDE) freezes but the light wont even turn on (nothing happens if the focus is in other types of windows other than Konsole). I'm using Gentoo (~amd64) with CK-Sources kernel v2.6.21-ck2, running KDE. I have investigated (Google showed some very similar problems but no solutions) it and this is what I concluded so far: - This keyboard has drivers for Windows but I think the reason why it works in Windows is that the Scroll lock action in Windows is not the same as in Linux. - I've tried remapping the Scroll lock key to other action, like Num lock (edited a keymap file (/usr/share/keymaps...) and used it in /etc/conf.d/keymaps). Funny thing is that the mapping works fine but the keyboard light is not turned on: I remapped the Scroll Lock to the print screen button and it worked - only when I pressed the print screen the light turned on - but also the console froze... :-) . So, I guess that there is some logical connection between the keyboard and the OS and only when the *logical* scroll lock mapped key is on, the light turns on (and the console input/output freezes...). - I've also grepped and scanned the kernel sources trying to find where I could play with some settings. I thought the direction would be to to disconnect the relationship between the Scroll lock key and the console freezing. Has anyone got a similar thing working? Any suggestions? Thanks, Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SOLVED] Re: Getting illuminated keyboard to work
Hi, Yes, I didn't think about it but its pretty natural that the back light is actually the Scroll Lock LED (there are no leds on this keyboard). Using setleds while in X shouted back at me: KDGKBLED: Invalid argument. Error reading current flags setting. Maybe you are not on the console? (it worked while NOT in X) but searching at bit more about this in Google (how to turn on/off leds in X), I learned that's achievable with xset led 3 (and '-led' to turn it off). So, Thanks a lot for the help! BTW, That's a 100nis slim TEAC keyboard sold in Office Depot. Pretty comfortable too, IMHO, other than the light feature. Boaz. Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On 8/5/07, *Boaz Rymland* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have this new keyboard which has a nice blue backlight. To operate it, one is supposed to press the useless Scroll lock key. It works, but as I press this key, the light turns on, but the console locks up, ... Any suggestions? Maybe the backlight functionality actually depends on the Scroll Lock LED being turned on? When you press the Scroll Lock key, the LED isn't turned on by the keyboard itself, but rather by the computer telling the keyboard to turn it on. In the same fashion, you can use the setleds(1) utility to toggle the LEDs (without the effects of actually pressing the Scroll/Caps/Num-Lock). Try setleds +scroll and tell us if it works. P.S. Could be useful if you told us the keyboard model. It sounds like a curious product. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Someone is picking on my sshd
Amos Shapira wrote: Possible ways to handle: 1. Change port as others suggested - works great for me. 2. Make sure you can only authenticate using public/private keys. 3. Install denyhosts, which adds attacking IP's to /etc/hosts.deny based on the sshd logs, also can synchronize info with other attacked hosts. 4. Use iptables to limit number of attempts from each IP. 5. Use iptables to slow down connections from attackers (target TARPIT). 6. Install a honeypot and send the results to central sites which collect such info. 7. Open SSH port to the needed IP(s) only: If you _don't_ need to SSH in from the world, you can limit access to the needed port based on the IP address, or a range of IPs. E.g: iptables -A INPUT -s $ALLOWED_IP_SSH -p TCP --dport $SSH_PORT -j ACCEPT Boaz. That's all folks, --Amos
Re: What Perl packages are supplied in distribution X?
For Debian I use http://packages.debian.org/ For Gentoo there is: http://packages.gentoo.org/ I'd bet that for other distro's you'd have the same URL convention, but I haven't checked it. Boaz. Gabor Szabo wrote: Hi, I would like to setup a database where I could pick one or more Perl modules from CPAN ( http://search.cpan.org/ ) and see which Linux distributions provide that module (and which version of the module) in their standard packing system? For Ubuntu I was pointed at this site: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/perl/ I guess I can screen scrap that page or I might even get my hand on the original database. Same with Debian http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages I think. What about other distribution? What about Solaris and other Unix machines? Can you ppl. point me to the package listings of other distributions? regards Gabor Perl Training Israel http://www.pti.co.il/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: external DNS service
www.dnsexit.com was good for a few years now. In case you have dynamic IPs then their updating client is open source (perl based). I'm not sure about their limitations but for 3 domains (TLDs) its free (as beer). Boaz. Gabor Szabo wrote: Hi, (re also hacked server) I would like to move the DNS services of my ~ 10 domains off my servers. Do you have any recommendation of a DNS service? e.g. anyone using http://www.granitecanyon.com/ ? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hacked server
Adding to what's been said so far (and if repeating please consider it as double emphasis :-) I'd recommend: 1. Do not run anything not needed on the server. Make sure to look not only in system services level but in the service level itself. E.g: run on the web server only what you need on it. I had a server hacked through some exploit in OpenWebMail application, revealed two weeks before the break in. This web mail application was only tested at the time, with no plans on implementation, but I still left it on the system... . If you do not need PHP, for example, remove/disable it altogether. If you do, carefully refer to security guides on the net. Yes, its all quite time consuming. 2. You must subscribe yourself to mailing lists dealing with security issues to get advisories on time (see (1) above for the reason). The minimum is from your distro (every distro has such) but I wouldn't settle for this only but subscribe also to mailing lists about the services on your system (again, system level services and more granular services like web applications and other stuff you have on this server). Boaz. Ori Idan wrote: A server I managed was hacked by a libian hacker. The only thing he did was changing the index.html of some web sites. The server is based on fedora core 2 running: httpd sendmail bind proftp (through xinetd) ssh Any ideas how he could have done it? What should I do to prevent such hackes in the future? -- Ori Idan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache behind firewall
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 01:52:51PM -0700, Valery Reznic wrote: --- Boaz Rymland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, it did thet trick. I just don't realized before, that 'ssh -R' create prot forwardind for everything, I was thinking it can be used just for ssh itself. Port forwarding simply does... port forwarding :-) , regardless of protocol used (above TCP level), HTTP in our case. Yes, I see it now. Before I expect this kind of functionality in protocol-neutral netcat or socat, but for some reason it's not there but in ssh. By the way, is ssh-client implement -R on it's own, or with cooperaion from sshd ? The functionality is depending on sshd. You also need to have needed right to connect to the needed ports (for port 80 you nee root). Boaz. Valery. A very powerful tool in your disposal, that's for sure. You can do magic or raise havoc(...) with it. Ummm. I have root on both A and B, so I got a simpler way to raise havoc :) Valery Boaz. Valery. Try with caution - I'm not 100% sure of the above. Boaz. Firewall allow only outgoing connection from A. Apache run on the box A. I'd like to do port forwarding (or something), so http://B... will work, accessing apache on box A. It's looks for me, that this HowTo describe how do port forwarding if you got incoming connection. But I haven't. Am I miss something ? Valery Peter Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache behind firewall
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 08:47:33AM -0700, Valery Reznic wrote: --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Valery Reznic wrote: Good day. I have apache server behind firewall, which block all incoming connection and allow all outgoing and I'd like to access it from outside Is it a way to access this apache server from outside ? (something like ssh's option -R ) You are looking for port forwarding: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/forwarders.html I saw this link before. Or I don't understand how can I use this HOWTO or I don't explain myself plain :( . Let me try again. There is computer A, Firewall F, and another linux box B A F - B How about: - On B, do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -L80:localhost:80 -Nf - Next, any connections to B, port 80 will be forwarded to port 80 on A. - Of course, this requires SSH open on the FW on A, allowing incoming connections. Another option, done solely from A is (better suits your requirements, I think): - On A, do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -R80:localhost:80 -Nf Try with caution - I'm not 100% sure of the above. Boaz. Firewall allow only outgoing connection from A. Apache run on the box A. I'd like to do port forwarding (or something), so http://B... will work, accessing apache on box A. It's looks for me, that this HowTo describe how do port forwarding if you got incoming connection. But I haven't. Am I miss something ? Valery Peter Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache behind firewall
Valery Reznic wrote: [ snip ] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/forwarders.html I saw this link before. Or I don't understand how can I use this HOWTO or I don't explain myself plain :( . Let me try again. There is computer A, Firewall F, and another linux box B A F - B How about: - On B, do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -L80:localhost:80 -Nf - Next, any connections to B, port 80 will be forwarded to port 80 on A. - Of course, this requires SSH open on the FW on A, allowing incoming connections. Another option, done solely from A is (better suits your requirements, I think): - On A, do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -R80:localhost:80 -Nf Thank you, it did thet trick. I just don't realized before, that 'ssh -R' create prot forwardind for everything, I was thinking it can be used just for ssh itself. Port forwarding simply does... port forwarding :-) , regardless of protocol used (above TCP level), HTTP in our case. A very powerful tool in your disposal, that's for sure. You can do magic or raise havoc(...) with it. Boaz. Valery. Try with caution - I'm not 100% sure of the above. Boaz. Firewall allow only outgoing connection from A. Apache run on the box A. I'd like to do port forwarding (or something), so http://B... will work, accessing apache on box A. It's looks for me, that this HowTo describe how do port forwarding if you got incoming connection. But I haven't. Am I miss something ? Valery Peter Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can a PHP script run in the background?
Hi,
What you are referring to is off-line execution of PHP. I know there are
ways to do it in other web-targeted scripting languages. In PHP I'm not
aware of free implementation of this functionality. I am familiar with
commercial solution for that. Zend (which is where your truly works for)
happens to sell a server side application which does this, among the
rest. Its far from free (in any meaning), but it does just what you are
looking for... :-) . For more details check here:
http://www.zend.com/products/zend_platform/what_s_new (see Job Queues
- first in the new features list).
Boaz.
Uri Even-Chen wrote:
Hi people,
I wrote a PHP program that sends E-mail to 121 E-mail addresses at
once [http://www.speedy.net/knesset/]. The problem is, it takes many
seconds until the program completes sending all the E-mails. I want
to give the user an instant feedback, and send E-mails later (after
the HTML output is complete). How do I do it? Can I postpone the
mail sending function? My program calls sendmail 121 times, and I
think that's the only slow part of the program. The rest is quite
fast. Can I call sendmail in such a way that PHP will regain control
right away? Or alternatively, can I run another PHP script in the
background?
Below is my mail sending script.
Uri.
?php
$tmp_addresses_clone= $tmp_addresses;
// Flush the output buffer.
ob_flush(); flush();
$tmp_count= count($tmp_addresses_clone);
while ($tmp_count 0)
{
$tmp_random= rand(0, $tmp_count - 1);
// Open Mail Command.
$tmp_mail_command= '/usr/sbin/sendmail -f ' . $tmp_email . '
' . $tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_random] . ' /dev/null 21';
$tmp_mail_file_pointer= popen($tmp_mail_command, w);
if ($tmp_mail_file_pointer)
{
// Print mail header.
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, From: . '=?UTF-8?B?' .
base64_encode($tmp_name) . '?=' . ' ' . '' . $tmp_email . '' .
\n);
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, To: .
$tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_random] . \n);
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, Subject: . '=?UTF-8?B?' .
base64_encode($tmp_subject) . '?=' . \n);
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, MIME-Version: 1.0\n);
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8\n);
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, \n);
// Print mail body.
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, $tmp_content . \n);
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, \n);
// Close file.
pclose($tmp_mail_file_pointer);
}
echo ($tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_random] . 'br' . \n);
$tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_random]=
$tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_count - 1];
unset($tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_count - 1]);
// Flush the output buffer.
ob_flush(); flush();
$tmp_count= count($tmp_addresses_clone);
}
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Re: Mozilla mail filters stopped working automatically
Hmm... this problem seems to be present on my debian too. In this case I can pin point the scenario - I've upgraded a couple of days ago only mozilla (mozilla virtual package, it includes a few dependencies). The new version on my machine is 1.7.5-1 I'm not sure the filtering missed not all messages but some were missed for sure. No reason why. I suspect the problem is in the mozilla packages. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, I'm reading email using Mozilla suite's email client. I'm using the filters to file incoming messages into folders. Everything is on an IMAP server, messages are not stored locally. Yesterday, after a Debian upgrade, the filters stopped working automatically. If I hit tools/Run filters on folder everything still works fine, but incoming email is no longer automatically routed according to the filters. I have quite a few filters (57), due to the large number of mailing lists I'm subscribed to. I'd like to know whether anyone else has come across this problem, or know of a simple solution. Thanks, Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cvs import fails on the /dev directory
Levy, Chen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 31 August 2004 20:52, Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi, I want to manage a special machine's tree with cvs, but when trying to import the tree with cvs import(... ), cvs aborts soon with this message: cvs [import aborted]: reading dev/eda: No such device or address :-( How do I bypass this? I know of the cvsignore facility but AFAIK it can ignore only filenames patterns, not complete directories/directory regexp's. My current solution is keeping the /dev directory out of the tree, moving it back into the tree only when necessary. This works, but it's ugly... . There is more then one way to Ignore a file in CVS: * You can place a .cvsignore file in the directory where the file you want to ignore. * You can use the -I switch to the cvs import command. * You can use the CVSROOT/cvsignore to match pattern (this is the one you where talking about). AFAIK, all of the above are synonymous. I tried the -I option. I also tried today the cvswrappers but it too doesn't support filtering directories - only file names patterns. Well, I guess that for now I'll stick with my ugly solution. Why switch to another ugly solution when you know your's work?... ;-) (but thanks anyway, and thanks to the infamous Cabal-non-Leader too! ;-) Boaz. Anyone knows how to do this nicely? thanks, Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBNcDkXZ3PYSMiDiERAidhAKCMyZrl0hSWRvZNTvzXOPPgfoXjzACdHo/K UrRUMC9Nu/nJmKjLsH7Fe48= =IyKj -END PGP SIGNATURE- === To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs import fails on the /dev directory
Hi, I want to manage a special machine's tree with cvs, but when trying to import the tree with cvs import(... ), cvs aborts soon with this message: cvs [import aborted]: reading dev/eda: No such device or address :-( How do I bypass this? I know of the cvsignore facility but AFAIK it can ignore only filenames patterns, not complete directories/directory regexp's. My current solution is keeping the /dev directory out of the tree, moving it back into the tree only when necessary. This works, but it's ugly... . Anyone knows how to do this nicely? thanks, Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CTRL keys not functioning in X/KDE w/Hebrew keyboard layout
Oh, setting up hebrew was, and still is, a pain. It seems like only Tzafrir Cohen really knows how to do things right ;-) ... Anyhow, I've recently managed to set up hebrew keyboard on my KDE, while retaining the Alt, Meta, whatever... . I used this guide - http://www.penguin.org.il/faq/downloads/hebrew_x/6.html and I have this command in my .xinitrc - /bin/cat ~/.xmodmap | /usr/bin/X11/xmodmap - Note that the configuration depends also on your specifc keyboard, AFAIK. A tool which can also come in handy (for the tuning of keycodes) is xev. Attached is my .xmodmap. Good luck, Boaz. rlinuz wrote: Hi, When the keyboard layer is set to Hebrew, the CTRL keys (i.e. CTRL+A...CTRL+Z) will not function. Fedora Core 2, KDE Any idea? -S. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] keycode 8 = keycode 9 = Escape keycode 10 = 1 exclam 1 exclam keycode 11 = 2 at 2 at keycode 12 = 3 numbersign 3 numbersign keycode 13 = 4 dollar 4 dollar keycode 14 = 5 percent 5 percent keycode 15 = 6 asciicircum 6 asciicircum keycode 16 = 7 ampersand 7 ampersand keycode 17 = 8 asterisk 8 asterisk keycode 18 = 9 parenleft 9 parenleft keycode 19 = 0 parenright 0 parenright keycode 20 = minus underscore minus underscore keycode 21 = equal plus equal plus keycode 22 = BackSpace keycode 23 = Tab ISO_Left_Tab keycode 24 = q Q slash Q keycode 25 = w W apostrophe W keycode 26 = e E hebrew_qoph E keycode 27 = r R hebrew_resh R keycode 28 = t T hebrew_aleph T keycode 29 = y Y hebrew_tet Y keycode 30 = u U hebrew_waw U keycode 31 = i I hebrew_finalnun I keycode 32 = o O hebrew_finalmem O keycode 33 = p P hebrew_pe P keycode 34 = bracketleft braceleft bracketleft braceleft keycode 35 = bracketright braceright bracketright braceright keycode 36 = Return keycode 37 = Control_L keycode 38 = a A hebrew_shin A keycode 39 = s S hebrew_dalet S keycode 40 = d D hebrew_gimel D keycode 41 = f F hebrew_kaph F keycode 42 = g G hebrew_ayin G keycode 43 = h H hebrew_yod H keycode 44 = j J hebrew_chet J keycode 45 = k K hebrew_lamed K keycode 46 = l L hebrew_finalkaph L keycode 47 = semicolon colon hebrew_finalpe colon keycode 48 = apostrophe quotedbl comma quotedbl keycode 49 = grave asciitilde semicolon asciitilde keycode 50 = Shift_L ISO_Prev_Group keycode 51 = backslash bar backslash bar keycode 52 = z Z hebrew_zain Z keycode 53 = x X hebrew_samech X keycode 54 = c C hebrew_bet C keycode 55 = v V hebrew_he V keycode 56 = b B hebrew_nun B keycode 57 = n N hebrew_mem N keycode 58 = m M hebrew_zade M keycode 59 = comma less hebrew_taw less keycode 60 = period greater hebrew_finalzade greater keycode 61 = slash question period question keycode 62 = Shift_R ISO_Next_Group keycode 63 = KP_Multiply !keycode 64 = Meta_L Alt_L keycode 64 = Alt_L !keycode 64 = Meta_L keycode 65 = space keycode 66 = Control_L keycode 67 = F1 keycode 68 = F2 keycode 69 = F3 keycode 70 = F4 keycode 71 = F5 keycode 72 = F6 keycode 73 = F7 keycode 74 = F8 keycode 75 = F9 keycode 76 = F10 keycode 77 = Num_Lock Pointer_EnableKeys keycode 78 = Scroll_Lock keycode 79 = KP_Home KP_7 keycode 80 = KP_Up KP_8 keycode 81 = KP_Prior KP_9 keycode 82 = KP_Subtract keycode 83 = KP_Left KP_4 keycode 84 = KP_Begin KP_5 keycode 85 = KP_Right KP_6 keycode 86 = KP_Add keycode 87 = KP_End KP_1 keycode 88 = KP_Down KP_2 keycode 89 = KP_Next KP_3 keycode 90 = KP_Insert KP_0 keycode 91 = KP_Delete KP_Decimal keycode 92 = Print Sys_Req keycode 93 = keycode 94 = keycode 95 = F11 keycode 96 = F12 keycode 97 = Home keycode 98 = Up keycode 99 = Prior keycode 100 = Left keycode 101 = keycode 102 = Right keycode 103 = End keycode 104 = Down keycode 105 = Next keycode 106 = Insert keycode 107 = Delete keycode 108 = KP_Enter keycode 109 = Control_R keycode 110 = Pause Break keycode 111 = Sys_Req keycode 112 = KP_Divide keycode 113 = Mode_switch Multi_key keycode 114 = Pause Break !keycode 115 = Meta_L !keycode 115 = Alt_L keycode 116 = Multi_key keycode 117 = Menu keycode 118 = keycode 119 = keycode 120 = keycode 121 = keycode 122 = keycode 123 = keycode 124 = keycode 125 = keycode 126 = keycode 127 = keycode 128 = keycode 129 = keycode 130 = keycode 131 = keycode 132 = keycode 133 = keycode 134 = keycode 135 = keycode 136 = keycode 137 = keycode 138 = keycode 139 = keycode 140 = keycode 141 = keycode 142 = keycode 143 = keycode 144 = keycode 145 = keycode 146 = keycode 147 = keycode 148 = keycode 149 = keycode 150 = keycode 151 = keycode 152 = keycode 153 = keycode 154 = keycode 155 = keycode 156 = keycode 157 = keycode 158 = keycode 159 = keycode 160 = keycode 161 = keycode 162 = keycode 163 = keycode 164 = keycode 165 = keycode 166 = keycode 167 = keycode 168 = keycode 169 = keycode 170 = keycode 171 = keycode 172 = keycode 173 =
Re: ADSL - What is the current recommendation?
combing the linux-il archive the internet for ADSL information I came accross this information which answers the question raised in a busy thread back in Oct. 2003. One of the questions there was how standard is the ADSL standard?. AFAIK, i wasn't answered. here's some answer: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/dsl4.htm In a nutshell - there are two standard ADSL (naturally...:-) ANSI (aka DMT) and CAP. seems like one must make sure his purchase-of-the-year ADSL modem is of the right ADSL standard. does anyone knows which standard is used by Bezeq? Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] ISPs and fixed IP
I've followed this thread since it matters me for the same reason it does to you. Why did they gave it for no charge earlier ? maybe they still had free static's to give but all other ISPs did charge. In comparison to them they could have charge without any doubts. I called them to learn of their fixed IP policy. I spoken to a new customers representative (not an existing-customer representative). She told me that she cant tell for sure that existing customers keep or loose their fixed IPs (that is - free of charge of course) when their contract is over, BUT new customers DO get a free static IP. So maybe it's a matter of pressure on them and/or flexebility of the customer to switch ISPs or at least prepare for such moves until you get the real sales guy who (hopefully) offers you to stay, with your fixed IP. Donno. What else can be done? Boaz. Yonah Russ wrote: Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Yonah Russ, from the post of Mon, 03 May: they wanted me to pay 200- I complained and they lowered it to 150. I should have complained more. indeed you should have. when my current prepaid year is up I intend to make it VERY clear to them that I do not intend to pay more for the service that was so far built-in. afterall my machine is online 24/7, what difference does it make if it is a fixed IP or a long lease? either way I am always occupying an IP address, may as well be a fixed one. unfortunately they called me the night before my prepaid year was up- it was either get cut off the next morning and shop around for an ISP with a better deal, or pay up and stay connected :( yonah = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ping....
Hmm... maybe related, maybe not: on tuesday, IIRC, my postfix configuration, which utilize anti UCE checks through proxies.relays.monkeys.com started rejecting mails from _anywhere_. As I saw no information about this in the media (although I searched) and since I don't have much time to debug this, the only solution I've found is to disable this RBL check. Maybe this scenario worked for you too? BTW, anyone else seen this ? I saw no headlines like monkeys RBL server blacklisted the world... as it was with that other service not so long ago. BR. Diego Iastrubni wrote: Last message I got was from Yesterday before it was Monday 15:04:14. Is this list dead or having problems? (cc when replying) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Read through the end
Guys, dont take Mr. Lopez too seriously. I gotta admit that I haven't really read it. Just by skimming over it raised a smile reduced respect for the writer. He is probably a genious for getting to such a radical conclusion.In ~1.5 pages... . This article looks like spam with all those paragraphs ending with *Advantage: Windows and the **pompous** grand conclusion: Final Score: Windows 5, Linux 0. *The choice is obvious*. Yeah, right. Switching back to Windows tomorrow. Gimme a break, Lopez. * Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Ittay Dror wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:22:22 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod just to make this clear: the site is someone's private joke, as is said at the bottom of the main page: All DivisionTwo content is written by Garrison Netzel. All columnists, authors, reporters, and articles are fictitious. so you can relax... Well, what was actually hurting was not the article itself, just that there are lots of people out there that write these ill documents and zillions of Joe newbies that go read these stuff. What came to my mind was the linuxiran.org community, which is a collection of newbies that all feel they are experts and write article not much better than this Windows vs Linux one. One of them was saying why Libranet is better than Fedora, and the reason was that I like a pure untouched *Linux*, not something like BlueCurve theme that Fedora has! Just imagine, you write as you are a pro in the field, and you compare distros based on their theme... Why we better Linuxers don't have PR people or the time to write god knows... behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Read through the end
blushing oops... really? is it a joke? /blushing that's what happens when one comments on article mostly by its title, subtitle and layout... . at least i wasn't the only one who was tricked! TZARAT RABIM... ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boaz Rymland wrote: Guys, dont take Mr. Lopez too seriously. I gotta admit that I haven't really read it. Just by skimming over it raised a smile reduced respect for the writer. He is probably a genious for getting to such a radical conclusion.In ~1.5 pages... . This article looks like spam with all those paragraphs ending with *Advantage: Windows and the **pompous** grand conclusion: Final Score: Windows 5, Linux 0. *The choice is obvious*. Yeah, right. Switching back to Windows tomorrow. Gimme a break, Lopez. Give HIM a break - this entire site is a fake. I though this should be clear from the last couple of points. I just didn't want to spoil the joke by giving a warning (here, now I've done it). --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TV show about Hackers WWII Station X
Hi! Just noticed that on this weekend channel 23 (Educational TV) continuosly broadcasts shows about hackers world and on the WWII Station X (one of the biggest secrets as well successes of the allied forces). Thought this might interest some on this list. Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
not directly answering your question, but on topic, mail administrators might be interested in the following: http://spf.pobox.com/ It is a suggested method for cutting spam from it's root - disabling froging email and verifying sender IP as permitted for sending emails fo it's domain. Boaz. Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Hi linux-il, What is the best server side solution for spam control? A short search in freshmeat got me the following list: 1. ASSP - Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (http://assp.sourceforge.net) 2. DSPAM (http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/) 3. SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? TIA baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestions for open source backup program
Not sure about (5) (but one can devise himself a solution for that), I think dump should be able to do it http://dump.sourceforge.net/ || http://sourceforge.net/projects/dump/ You can use rsh (or more secure alternatives) combinations for remote backup. Although this sounds too much of a hand work, this is actually not too complicated. dump interactive mode helps your life as a sysadmin a lot when that user comes a long with a shy smile on his face... :-) Boaz. Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Hi linux-il, I need a backup software for linux that should: 0. Be open source. 1. Support tape backup. 2. Be liberal with cartridge order within a backup set. (We have a bad experience with afbackup being overly strict, we had to waste time with fixing things every time a customer insert the wrong backup cartridge) 3. Be able to manage large amount of data (10s of GBs) . 4. Support backup over network (i.e. the backup tape drive may reside on another machin on the LAN) 5. Support simultaneous network backups from many clients to one backup server. Any suggestions? TIA baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Win XP cannot browse intranet web site on a Linux server
Erez Doron wrote: did you check all the trevial stuff (same subnet for both the XP and Linux ethernet interfaces) ? the trivial stuff is configured ok, but i'll recheck... . does ping work ? the linux machine does not pass pings. pinging the XP box works ok.maybe i should change this to allow internal pings (previously there was no internal network - this is and old FW fule). no need to be that paranoid, i guess... :-) can you give more details on how your netweork is connected ( what do you mean when you say the XP is masq'd ? by itself ? does it has two connections ? ) win XP and linux are on 192.168.2.x network. the windows has only one NIC and is being NAT'd by the linux to gain internet access, which it does successfully. the linux has a few network NICs, one is for that network. any contrediction between the linux FW and the XP's NAT ? cheers, erez. Boaz Rymland wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up a Win XP machine to view an intranet site on a Linux machine. This win XP machine is being masq'd o.k. and it has internet access fine, but somehow, it cannot talk to the local linux webserver (apache), or any other service on the Linux machine. this is a strange thing. i've tried to debug with a etheral and indeed i've seen some suspecious SSDP packets flying around. i've managed, AFAIK, to disable this SSDP/UPnP on the Win XP machine but still things are no-go. the machine is a debian woody and the XP machine's IP (non routable IP network) is defined in /etc/hosts (reverse DNS issues). The linux machine is being firewalled, if it makes a difference. anyone has a clue? thnaks, boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian.org Hacked
the CNet article summarizing it: http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5112427.html?tag=nefd_top Shaul Karl wrote: For those who missed it, the Debian machines were hacked because of a combination of a sniffed password and a local root exploit. The hole is believed to be only locally exploitable, not remotely. More details on this exploit are at http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0012-do_brk.txt Among other things, it says that: Impact: === Successful exploitation of do_brk() leads to full compromise of vulnerable system, including gaining full uid 0 privileges, possibility of kernel code and data structures modification as well as kernel-level (ring0) code execution. Tested and successfully exploited kernel versions include: o 2.4.20-18.9 as shipped with RedHat 9.0 o 2.4.22 (vanila) o 2.4.22 with grsecurity patch There is no known reliable workaround for this vulnerability. We recommend upgrading to the most recent kernel version (so far the 2.4.23 kernel) on all vulnerable systems. As an aside, I wonder how many people here are using Linux to grant other people full shell account? How many full shell users do they have? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Win XP cannot browse intranet web site on a Linux server
Hi, I'm trying to set up a Win XP machine to view an intranet site on a Linux machine. This win XP machine is being masq'd o.k. and it has internet access fine, but somehow, it cannot talk to the local linux webserver (apache), or any other service on the Linux machine. this is a strange thing. i've tried to debug with a etheral and indeed i've seen some suspecious SSDP packets flying around. i've managed, AFAIK, to disable this SSDP/UPnP on the Win XP machine but still things are no-go. the machine is a debian woody and the XP machine's IP (non routable IP network) is defined in /etc/hosts (reverse DNS issues). The linux machine is being firewalled, if it makes a difference. anyone has a clue? thnaks, boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OO to be installed on some government computers starting next week
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2821155,00.html Sounds exciting to me. Is this a good start? (Is OO ready for it, or is it going to be a dissapointment?) Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version control (was: Re: What's wrong with this code?)
I think this is exactly the price you pay when choosing these kind of tools, or more generally, doing in the unix way: You just take some overhead explicitly onto *your* head but you are left with very flexible, hence powerfull, set of tools, which can be combined in numerous ways to do just about any task you choose (in principle). you do not have *such* flexability, usually, in closed source (graphic?) application. this power lures in the command line land. Its raw power, but roughness in usage, against fixed (closed) methods/ways to use, but the ease of that usage. Well, this trade off can be phrased in many ways, but the point mentioned in the mesasge I'm replying to is, IMHO, talks exactly on that trade off. Your preference might vary. boaz. Tal, Shachar wrote: If only the small integratable single-minded tools were *easily* integratable, I suspect Rational would have gone of business a few years ago. Shachar Tal Verint Systems -Original Message- From: Gilad Ben-Yossef [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:38 AM To: Guy Teverovsky; Linux-IL mailing list Cc: Tal, Shachar; 'Shachar Shemesh' Subject: Re: Version control (was: Re: What's wrong with this code?) On Tuesday 18 November 2003 04:22, Guy Teverovsky wrote: CVS is not: version control mechanism which is content aware and action driven. It lacks inline documentation features and code maintenance (bugs, features) tracking... Actually, CVS is a version control system and *that's it*. ClearCase is simply much more. It's like trying to compare Sendmail to Exchange. Exchange has a mail server inside but to call Exchange a mail server is ridiculous. (save me the jokes about the bugs in BOTH Exchange and sendmail, I've hearde them all. Hell, I invented a few of them.. :-) Have I mentioned the wink-ing ? Suppose you have an app that compiles 5 hours and another developer has already done another build and parts of the objects can be reused. As much as you might not like the product, it saves a hell LOT of time as the version control mechanism will bring you already compiled parts from the network. Now consider an 6-7 hour build on a high-end workstation... Well, I am starting to sound as a sales man, so I will stop here. Which is available seperatly in Open Source world, as ccache. Which brings me to my next related topic: Open Source software tends to create small flexible tools that do a single thing and do it well (e.g. CVS). You can combine several such tools to create a whole pacage that covers your needs (e.g. cvs + bugzilla + ccache). Closed Source software tends to build big packages that try to do everything. Some people prefer the flexability of multiple integratable single packets. Some people prefer the full turnkey solution of the closed source world. I'd leave my personal opionion of it for now :-) Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust (tm) http://www.codefidence.com Half of one of my eyes is already open. I'm going to make coffee now... -- Kathi 16:08:04 This electronic message contains information from Verint Systems, which may be privileged and confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us by replying to this email. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Version control
I tend to agree - in the real world there is no magic. The advertisements might promise so but when the worker (not the manager) gets to actually do the work - he will need the time to learn the promising new system. This investment time is what the ads try to deceive us that can be saved - but this is rarer than promised (as always in advertisements and he real world...) Of course, the beauty of some applications can be in how close do they get to this dream design, to fullfiling this wish. Since I ain't familiar with CC, I cannot comment any further and I'll just say that my above comment is general and not specific to this case (the clear case...). Shachar Tal wrote: Guy Teverovsky wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 18:58, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Tal, Shachar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Easily doesn't mean a sysadmin for a day. Easily means not having to invest considerable man-power into making cvs and diff and branches and IDE integration and nightly building and whatnot work together. YMMV for the definition of considerable. Disclaimer: I have not used ClearCase myself. However, I have an impression that, for one reason or other every company that uses Clear Case also has a full time software configuration *team* whose purpose in life is making ClearCase work for the developers. This does not mean that ClearCase is bad, wrong, or anything. This just means that it probably fits someone's definition of considerable man-power. You can throw a team on ClearCase maintenance, but without first reading the books they will spend all their time poking around in vein. Most of my time spent on ClearCase involves going through the logs to see one more time that it does what it's supposed to do. Oopss... forgot. I do not do it anymore. I have a script that alerts me if something funny is going on. And how much did the time it took you to learn to do that, cost your company? At one company I worked for (about 15 developers) an internal effort was undertaken to write a system for hourly/nightly build of multiple versions of software kept in CVS, at least on two platforms. It took some effort (one person, I don't really remember how much time it took, maybe a week?), but it worked smoothly afterwards. Probably still works, years later - I don't know. Note also that the build system fit the particular development cycle and practices of the outfit - an out-of-the-box solution would not necessarily fit that. It can be setup in ClearCase in 5 minutes. Create a bunch of dynamic views each with it's own brunch and script the hourly/nightly builds inside each view. Couple of one-liners will suffice. What is the cost of weeks work of a decent sysadmin ? I will repeat my last sentence: How much did the time it took you to learn to do that, cost your company? The time it took my sysadmin at previous work to master ClearCase (and teach everybody else the ClearCase Way (tm) to do things) is roughly 2 months her time and ~1 day each person to learn that dreaded UCM. Now, consider this. Just a few days ago a friend, who is a configuration manager for a big and well-known unnamed company, complained informally that ClearCase (which has its own filesystem implemented by Rational as a binary only kernel module) does not co-exist well with that company's corporate standard kernel configuration. And they cannot do anything about it until the vendor (IBM in this case) fixes the problem. I surely hope the vendor will provide a solution in time (until the client's standard kernel changes). Again, this is not as much to criticize ClearCase as to point out that this is something a multibillion dollar company would surely deem considerable. Shachar. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: What's wrong with this code?
Well, you certainly got a point there. One could claim that such source compromises are possible with closed source SW too and in such a case, indeed logical to assume, it is more difficulty finding, verifying and correcting the code AND, closing the security hole through which the intruder got in (not to mention finding it). Due to the nature of such organizations, they are naturally more confident in their security obtained from their closeness than prepared for such breaches. That sounds logical. Yet, one cannot claim that the openness of OSS is just and strictly an advantage. It's a different SW development approach that its structure has its inherited *possible* weaknesses. Identifying and arranging for such incidents in the structure of the development process is what makes this model safe, and indeed, this case is an example of such a preparation and successful execution. In terms of OSS public relations there are two important thigns here: A. indeed, the openness brings its own issues (not to say, problems) that needs to be admitted, not quickly silenced (but of course to supplemented with the complimenting answer - see B). Such breaches can be easily performed within close source organization, and must have already happened - *but surely not so easily admitted*. B. Yet, arranging for these issues makes the security of the OSS model at least as good, if not better, than closed source SW, exactly as demonstrated by this real world case and the letters in this thread demonstrated similar breaches within closed source organization and *their* consequences. In short - there is a weak point in the openness model. it is greatly acknowledged and treated hence achieving a better security model. Don't be impressed by the publicity it gets - you just dont hear of such cases in closed source organizations. My point of view, at least. Boaz. Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Interesting message I got. Isn't that a demonstration of the *real* (no FUD) open source model security break points? Actually, you just pointed out one of Open Source scurity model greatest strenghts, no weaknesses. How come? Well, think about what happend here: someone managed to gain unlawfull access to a distribution point of Linux source code and altered the code to instroduce a back door. The fact the file changed was found out by an sanity check but the true nature of the change (being a backdoor) was understood when the altered code was inspected by the community. Now, what would have happend if this was a run of the mill closed source security firm? First of all, I seriously doubt it that the fact of the change would have been detected at all, but even if it were the sys admin discovering it would fix the technical problem and would never ever send it to the RD (which are another dept. which is hated by the IT team). The nature of the change would never be detected and the back door might never even corrected, assuming the sys admin fix woulb to ignore the error. In short - people breaking in and putting in back door happen in both open and closed source. But only in Open SOurce there's a real chance that someone would discover it. In closed source land it's always someone else's problem. Gilad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: What's wrong with this code?
Interesting message I got. Isn't that a demonstration of the *real* (no FUD) open source model security break points? It seems to me that unfortunately, theoretically, there could be many exploits of this vulnerability (or am I wrong here?). Boaz. *START READING FROM THE END!* -Original Message- Subject: RE: What's wrong with this code? All- Thanks to everyone who responded. In all I received over ten responses and all of them were great. Everyone who responded found the 'bug' (I'll explain why bug is in quotes) in the code below which was: 'current-uid = 0' and should have been 'current-uid == 0' Basically everyone noted that since there was a missing '=' the if-statement would always return false and therefore never execute 'retval = -EINVAL'. Some responses caught the deeper problem which was that instead of checking if 'current-uid' equals zero (a comparison) the code actually sets 'current-uid' equal to zero (an assignment) when flags _WCLONE and _WALL are set. This obviously is not a good thing - the user sets two flags and becomes uid 0 (i.e. root)! So where did I get this code? Well, this code was recently found in the Linux kernel function 'sys_wait4'. No, it wasn't a coding mistake but rather an attempt to backdoor the Linux kernel. For more information see: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/7388 Since I received so many responses I'm considering doing a challenge like this either once or twice a month; Call it Spot the Vulnerability. I'd probably make the challenges a bit harder (more code) and ask people to identify the problem, how to fix it, and how to detect it in software engineering. Does the list thing it's a worthwhile idea? -John Walton p.s. I made a similar mistake on my compilers program recently. It took me over two hours to find. Unfortunately, gcc doesn't warn on things like an assignment inside if-statements . -Original Message- Subject: What's wrong with this code? Folks- Here is a little bit of a challenge for you. Take a look at the code below and find what is wrong with it and why: if ((options == (__WCLONE|__WALL)) (current-uid = 0)) retval = -EINVAL; Note: _WCLONE and _WALL are flags you can pass the program. For those of you who have seen or heard about this already don't spoil it for everyone else . -John Walton. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: What's wrong with this code?
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: BR Isn't that a demonstration of the *real* (no FUD) open source model BR security break points? Well, that looks like open source _strong_ point. If the same code was closed, what chance someone - except, of course, for original programmer and probably his associates - would notice that? If, say, Windows function GetProcessSomeObscureAttribute would get you administrator privilege for some combination of flags - what is a chance someone would ever discover that? You're defenitly right in your point - in OSS many more eyes see the code and can spot potential malicious pieces quickly. But this was not my initial point - and maybe I should have clarified it: Open Source model allows many bad minds access to the code, planning and inserting sofisticated/obfuscated pieces of code, that hopefully will go unnotinced, at least for some time, and that will grant them non-legitimate power. Such a method for gaining this power is not possible for the public in closed source enviroments. This malicious act is an option only for employees of the company creating the specific piece of SW (well, or for anyone else with access to their source code). This seems to me, a weak point in the OSS development model, probably a point which should not go unnotinced, as I'm sure happening, as in fact did not go unnoticed in that example. Further more, don't get me wrong. I did not conclude my verdict on OSS security from this simple demonstration of a weak point. Not at all. Without going into details I think the opposite - I prefer openess over obscurity, taking in mind the price we have to pay for defending against OSS weak points such as the one demonstrated. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Haifa University site browser competablity issues
In addition to what I wrote you in private, I can add that this issue is bigger than this virtual system. A few sites in the TAU internet site will require you to use IE, and I don't like this either. Actually, I think this is rude. I've contacted my faculty administration, from the Dean to the Webmasters etc' - guess how much of a reply I got? right - ZERO. Thats rude too. My word on the issue is that it deserves more comprehense treatment. The virtual system is only a part of the issue. Boaz. Ez-Aton wrote: Hi People. To cut to the bone, parts of a site used by many (and more to be) courses in Haifa University, called Virtual Haifa (virtualnew.haifa.ac.il) does not function under any browser except IE. A similar site, used for content menagement, used in TAU functions flawlessly. I believe that the implementation of the ASP in HaifaU was lacking in so many ways. The JavaScripts themselves might also lack, but only tonight I will check a bit more into it. I sent them an e-mail message, explaining I do not own a Windows, and I don't use Windows on my machines, and asked for some way to reach the documents in question (aka, my homework). The reply I got from the person in charge (in HaifaU) was that it supports only IE, and if I need to use it, I could do it from computer farms in the U itself. I think it is a not a complicated request, checking their javascript/html implementation, and I believe this answer was meant to brush off this annoyance. I don't want, by all means, to start a world war to solve it, but if anyone in this list is a member of the HaifaU staff, or has any word in the issue, any help would be really appreciated in solving this problem. Any suggestion on the next move will also be very helpful, as I stand rather helpless now, agains this system. Thanks in advance! Ez-Aton = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla and internet banking
Funny indeed. I DO remember that past note from their site claiming new support for mozilla - it's probably a note mentioning that back to support mozilla step you describe (the time tables are in sync with my vague memory...). Anyway, like you said, its nice to have it working and that's what matters. Further more, it made me thinking that sometimes encouraging non-IE support is better (more productive) than criticizing this lack of support. SELF TOUGHT Hmm.. Maybe it's worth writing them about that. /SELF THOUGHT Night, Boaz. Gabor Szabo wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Boaz Rymland wrote: As already cliamed, bank hapoalim indeed supports mozilla. I can add that this support is not by chance. Funny as I actually wanted to write that their support of Mozilla might be *by mistake*. It was working with Mozilla for a long time. A couple of month ago they broke their web site and I could not use it with Mozilla. I wrote to them, they told me to use IE. After some time - and I don't recall how long passed - I checked it again as I was about to complain to my branch manager. By that time it worked again. Anyway, it works now and that's what is important. Gabor http://www.pti.co.il/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla and internet banking
As already cliamed, bank hapoalim indeed supports mozilla. I can add that this support is not by chance. Up to some point in the past (not too long ago, but don't have exact date) their site wasn't (fully?) supported. At some point, they intentially started supporting mozilla/netscape browsers, as it is today. There was even some notification for mozilla/netscape users specifying the fact that the site works specifically with mozilla/netscape browsers (maybe it exists there, somewhere [sorry, no link here]). In short - Bank Hapoalim support for mozilla/netscape is good, intended and I hope - will long last. Boaz. Matan Ziv-Av wrote: Hello, In short: Which bank has an online banking site that works with Mozilla (and Konqueror)? Long version: About a year ago, Bank Leumi changed their site from one that worked with Mozilla to a one that does not. They then brought the old site back online, but for viewing only. Their tech support said to me a few times that they are working on fixing the problem, but apparently that was not correct. I am now looking to move to another bank, and my main criterion for selecting a bank is online banking that works with Linux. So if anyone has experience with online banking, including operations (transfer to other accounts, depositing, etc.), please report. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shana Tova :)
and may the described prophecy come true: check out the paragraph before the end - a prophecy that within 1-1.5 years M$ will bring forth their products (that are silently being ported these days...) to the Linux OS. http://computers.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=itempath=4id=443163 A VERY shana tova to all :-) Boaz. Amit Roseberger wrote: Thx Ariel. Actually, I hope it'll not insult anyone but... The Linux-il address book entry was (I fixed it ASA this Fashla happened) annoyingly similar to one of my friends entries... So when my Mail Client's damn auto completion feature shows me the list of possible completions I usually choose the wrong one (fast finger on the trigger I guess...), this poor guy (who is BTW a faithful MS Windows user... ) usually receives all my Linux related E-mails first. Well, I've decided to put an end to that and changed the entry to his last name :) Anyway - Shana Tova (LECULAM). Amit. Ariel Biener wrote: On Monday 22 September 2003 12:02, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Amit Roseberger wrote: Hi Everyone. I wish you all a Happy New Year (Shana Tova). May all your wishes come true (just be careful what you wish for... ;) ) Amit. Let me second that: happy new year for all. Amit, try using Bcc: , in order to protect the privacy of your whole addressbook that was in the To: headers of your mail. --Ariel Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X won't give high-res with high colors
I don't know if this could help but if you are in a need for some non-standard modelines for X, trying to bypass some limitations, the following might help calculating such modelines: http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html http://zaph.com/Modeline/ http://koala.ilog.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines Boaz. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, Sorry that this post is a little scarce on details. I will fill them in when I have them again. I am installing Linux on my sister's laptop (a Dell centrino, don't have exact model). I went for RH9 because that's what would be fastest to install. It correctly detected almost everything (sound, display adapter). At least, I think it did. Everything seemed to work. However, when X is set up for 16 or 32 bits/pixel, the highest resolution available seem to be 640x480. Looking at the X startup log, I can see that the system detects resolutions of up to 1280x1024, but discards them all as non-matching (I did not manage to understand what it was they did not match). When I set the color depth to 8, X has no problem starting at 1024x768 (the highest the LCD will support). Can anyone think of a reason without the X log available, and also think of what I may need to look at besides the X log? I don't have high availability of the laptop, so I'm trying to pick up all the information I might need in advance. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Latest article on Linux + Open Source in local media
On topic article from Haaretz that discusses the state of OSS adoption in Israel (mainly in commercial organizations) No registration requried: http://computers.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=itempath=4id=440127 Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Latest article on Linux + Open Source in local media
All I can say is even if I disagree with some of the article claims too (which I do) - to make something productive of this one need to file those remarks first and foremost to the Haaretz reporter. Aside of steam-releasing activity here there's not much point in telling in Linux-IL how that article was baised, if this critisizm stays *only* here. This advice is not to educate you but rather based on positive experience I personally had with similar case with Captain Internet lately. This experience has not finished yet but have formed clean channels of communication to the captain through which I or we can convey our message. My suggestion is that if it's important to you to have enough time for it, I would have advised writing something that will contradict their' conclusions yet written in a language that will not arrise their automatic defenses against religious linux freaks like us. Boaz. Ely Levy wrote: I always dislike haaretz artical about opensource, they always sound like their computer guy is getting payed very well by MS, and even if there is some small pro opensource part it's only for the bigger anti opensource part to sound better this artical is no diffrent and it's mostly BS, from the high security cost compare to windows(yea right after the last few weeks I expected a bit more modasty) to the crap about needing to rewrite all the programs for linux how how horribly expensive it would be (never heard of wine?of portable code writing?of things like mozilla/openoffice which gain ground on windows computers and works as well on linux one?), and that quote about from the kalalit guy which just got a server from ms (which fell misrably during like virus and made their system almost unsuable for 3 freaking days!! my doctor couldn't ever get my test results!! so much for security!). persoanly I feel safer if my health would be depended on linux servers... Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Boaz Rymland wrote: On topic article from Haaretz that discusses the state of OSS adoption in Israel (mainly in commercial organizations) No registration requried: http://computers.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=itempath=4id=440127 Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Digital Cameras and Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's going to be an ad, but they earned it - Go to Jugend Brothers (pronounced Yugend) at 5 Hayarkon St. in Tel-Aviv. They are a pro shop and their prices are fair and their advice is good (I could have bought my camera there for almost the same price as abroad, only I also would have had to pay 18% VAT). From my experience as an amateur photographer I know that indeed Jugend brothers is one of the few serious stores in Israel, where one could get *good* advice and proffesional/rare equipment (Along with HAMA'ABADA ['The Lab'] at Dizzengoff TA, to name another option). Still, I would thoroughly check prices before buying in Israel, especially if I had the option of bringing stuff from NY. I lately made a market survey for Digital Video cameras. Cheapest NY stores were 2/3 prices in average (and even lower) of Israel cheapest locations, and yes, for a PAL camera. Indeed the price gap for still cameras is much smaller, I would have double checked for the model I intend to buy. I found dealtime.com a very nice price comparison engine for those tasks. Heck, if we're that into photography, if anyone is due for a trip to Vegas (some convention?) and is looking for a pro shop there, I could look for that store I bought a Cokin P160 circular polarizer (this piece is NOT found in the mall stores in the US). Look them up on the net, they have a site with forums etc. http://www.jugend.co.il/ A good place to check about digital cameras in general, learn what the terminology means and read very thorought reviews is at http://www.dpreview.com. Ignore the prices quoted there since they are the recommanded price at time the camera was introduced, the prices decrease as the model gets older but they don't update this in their site. And: http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/cameraList.php And: http://www.google.com :-) Boaz. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
