[OT] [Job Offer] Experienced Linux kernel developer / Experienced web/cloud development team leader
*Company description* We are an ambitious, well-funded startup company with plans to change the enterprise security industry. We work on bleeding-edge technologies to provide the most innovative solutions. We are proud of our super strong geographically distributed and culturally diverse team. Our team is made of great people who love to have fun and overcome technological challenges together. *Open Positions* *Experienced Linux kernel developer* We are looking for experienced Linux specialist to be part of development team working on company’s OS and virtualization components. - 5+ years of experience in C - 3+ years of experience in Linux kernel development - Participation in open source communities is advantage - Patches in Linux kernel is advantage - Experience in QEMU/KVM is advantage - Experience in Windows development is advantage - Knowledge of C++ is advantage *Experienced web/cloud development team leader* We are looking for experienced web applications specialist to lead development of company’s future web applications. - 5+ years experience in web development languages (Python, Ruby, PHP) - 5+ years of experience in web application frameworks (Ruby On Rails, Django, Zend, AngularJS) - Hands-on experience building scalable web applications - Solid understanding of cloud architectures - Solid understanding of current design patterns and practices - Experience with AWS cloud ecosystem is advantage == If you're interested, contact me off-list for more details. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[OT] [Job Offer] IT Service for a Small Office
Hi all, This is kinda Off Topic because the client is using M$ Windows, and not Linux :-( I turn to you for advice because I am looking for an IT guy (or Girl) to provide technical support for a small office in Kfar Saba. This is a very low maintenance office... If you're interested, contact me off-list for more details. Amichai ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Hi there, I am looking for Front end python/flask developer/s with strong knowledge on Linux. Windows users are unwelcomed. :) I would consider full time positions and freelancer. On premises or remote, just get the job done. Please email me for more details, the opening is immediate. Essentials: * Git * Python * Flask front end experience. * Scripting * Nosql (mongo) Extra points for: * Dockers * sys administration * Perl * Security * Cyberpunk -- Meir Michanie RIUNX - Open source solutions http://www.riunx.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[OT] - JOB OFFER - JAVA Enterprise - Senior and Prinicipal
Hi All, I haven't posted to this list for a long time so I hope i am not breaking any list rules. At my company (CA) we are looking for 2 positions of a java enterprise developer, Senior level and Principal developers. The location is Herzeliya. If you are looking for a job, please contact me in private to my private mail tzahi28 at gmail.com Thank you for your patience. Here is the description for the senior. For the principal i will give in private. Sr Software Engineer • Experience - at least 4 years of JAVA/J2EE development. • JSP,JSF, Hibernate • Knowledge in Oracle, MS-SQL • B.Sc in computer science or similar. • Familiar with at least one of WebSphere, JBOSS,WebLogic o Personal qualities • Self starter and fast learner ( a person who could study a new application fast) • Creative person • Good English • A person who could differentiate between the main and the subsidiary. • Independent but able to work in a team • Hard worker - a person with energy who works fast ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[OT] Job offer: Linux system programmer in Haifa area
Hi, Posting for a friend: Looking for a Linux system level programmer in the Haifa area - Experience in C++ development on Linux + GDB - Knowledge in Linux system call usage - Kernel development is a plus - Work is for a new exciting startup. - The project is for about 2 months with a potential for longer term work - Partial work from home may be possible Applicants please send resume to danny.geist at gmail dot com Rony ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[OT] Job Offer: Configuration Management Engineer
Hi, [Posting this for a friend. If interested, please send me your CV and I'll forward it.] A company in the Herzeliya area is looking for a person to take charge of their configuration management needs. This is a full-time position. Requirements as follows: - At least 2-3 year as team leader in infrastructure - Familiarity with UNIX/Linux at administrator level - Experience with managing version life cycle (subversion, VS UAT) - Experience with mnaging multiple versions for multiple projects - Experence installing and supporting development, QA production environments - Familiarity with Windows at power user level. Familiarity with the following are advantageous: - Make - Ant - Perl - Windows batch files - StarTeam - Virtualization - Apache/Tomcat configuration Cheers, Rony ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[ OT- Job Offer] Somebody from Tiberias for basic support
Hi, After three years of being a happy Linux user, my mom had to replace her computer for a new one. The problem is that she lives near Tiberias and I Live abroad and she does not know any technitian that knows about Linux. She will recieve on Sunday a Windows PC without access to all her files. She misses and likes her Linux desktop for its simplicity and stability. The task is easy to do. To put the old HD in the new PC, update Xubuntu 8.04 to 10.04 and maybe restoring her XP partition without side effects. Please, contact me for your disponibility and prices. Best regards, Julian -- Julian Daich julia...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Hello folks! I've been asked to pass this on - it's not specifically Linux (in fact I don't know what platform is used), but we all have to eat ... Company: Radwin Ltd., www.radwin.com Software Development - Student Project Description: Develop planning tools to be deployed to a wireless network. The project includes development of programs involving algorithms and user interface. The position requires about three days work per week. Qualifications: Student, year two or higher up to first degree with honors in one of the following disciplines: Computer Science, Computer Engineering, Electrical Engineering. Requirements: * Independent worker * Quick learner of new material * Previous programming experience - an advantage * Familiarity with a C++/Perl programming environment - an advantage * Programming in a Web environment - an advantage Please send CVs directly to Libat Levy,li...@radwin.com. Regards, Daniel Feiglin begin:vcard fn:Daniel Feiglin n:Feiglin;Daniel adr:;;POB 36;Shavei Shomron;Doar Na;44858;ISRAEL email;internet:dilog...@inter.net.il tel;work:972 9 8616204 tel;fax:972 9 8621052 tel;pager:Skype user ID: baba_danny tel;home:972 9 8320939 tel;cell:927 52 3869986 version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Good news for talented unemployed Linux System Administrator: One1 Systems/Korpel-Tal is looking for a highly motivated full-time Linux System Administrator. At least 5 years experience in LINUX (RedHat, CentOS) system administration. Experience with Sendmail, Postfix, MailScanner, Majordomo, Spamassassin, Good knowledge of Cisco IOS, Firewalls (CheckPoint, PIX/ASA, Fortinet), mail appliances (Pineapp, Esafe). Experience in hardware configuration and installation (IBM, HP, etc) Knowledge and an experience in networking, TCP/IP, switches, routers and virtualization The candidate must be a good team player, service oriented, with excellent learning skills. Please sent your CV to he...@korpel-tal.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
OT: JOB OFFER
Hi list, I am looking for a JUNIOR linux sysadmin/LAMP programmer to work with me. The JOB is to be an integration engineer for a Finance company with customers in Israel and abroad. The daily tasks are: * Writing and debugging ksh,bash,perl scripts. * Working on AIX / SOLARIS / LINUX servers. * Working with Financial engineers and Banks. Who would qualify for the job (all the following points required)? * Those with hunger for knowledge. * Those that can feed them self. * English fluent writing and speaking skills. * Basic knowledge of Linux. What is it expected for the Junior guy? Learning and having complete mastery of all the subjects in the book ( RUTE) - (first assigment is to google for the free e-book) Debugging and maintaining current scripts. Those interested in the job, should send me your CV and phone number. Make sure that you have basic knowledge of RUTE. On the first meeting you will be evaluated by what do you know and your speed of learning and understanding. Sincerely, Meir Michanie To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ot Job Offer - הצעת עבודה
On Monday 31 March 2008 23:54, Lior Kaplan wrote: Daniel, Unsubscribing list offenders is not uncommon, and is an option. List owner ? --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ot Job Offer - הצעת עבודה
שלום לכולם, מחפש עבודה? נמאס לך להיות עצמאי ולרדוף אחרי אנשים שלא משלמים בזמן (אם בכלל)? רוצה להתקדם ולא להישאר במקום? דרושים: 1. תוכניתן / ראש צוות PHP 2. אנשים עם ידע ב SQL לעבודה מול מסדי נתונים. 3. תוכניתן / ראש צוות Java 4. תוכניתן / ראש צוות J2EE 5. תוכניתן / ראש צוות ASP.Net 6. תוכניתן / ראש צוות .Net – Windows Applications 7. תוכניתן COBOL 8. תוכניתן / ראש צוות C/C++ (יודע משהו שלא רשום שרשימה? יכול להיות שצריך אותך גם!) למתאימים יוצעו הצעות אטרקטיביות! תודה, דניאל 052-2739156
Re: ot Job Offer - הצעת עבודה
Subject: Re: ot Job Offer - הצעת עבודה ^ Understatement of the year :) --Amos (the line of ^^^ points to the ot, in case it misses out on your screen.
Re: ot Job Offer - הצעת עבודה
Daniel, I already asked you in the past not to send these kind of mails to this list. This list isn't an ad in the newspaper - you should write the specifics for each job you offer (employer, needed knowledge, place of work and such). I'm sorry to tell you that this advertising method in general, and specifically to this list is doing a bad service for you - you look like a novice. ( to the list: As I referred him to the list a long time ago, I feel somewhat guilty about this spam... sorry ) Daniel Refaeli wrote: שלום לכולם, מחפש עבודה? נמאס לך להיות עצמאי ולרדוף אחרי אנשים שלא משלמים בזמן (אם בכלל)? רוצה להתקדם ולא להישאר במקום? דרושים: 1. תוכניתן / ראש צוות PHP 2. אנשים עם ידע ב SQL לעבודה מול מסדי נתונים. 3. תוכניתן / ראש צוות Java 4. תוכניתן / ראש צוות J2EE 5. תוכניתן / ראש צוות ASP.Net 6. תוכניתן / ראש צוות .Net – Windows Applications 7. תוכניתן COBOL 8. תוכניתן / ראש צוות C/C++ (יודע משהו שלא רשום שרשימה? יכול להיות שצריך אותך גם!) למתאימים יוצעו הצעות אטרקטיביות! תודה, דניאל 052-2739156 -- Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Job Offer
Hi List, I would like to present a job offer. Please email me your C.V. and contact info and I will schedule you an interview. The job requires traveling up to %50 of the time. (not biding comment is that it may be only one week a month) People knowing LAMP may qualify. Note that this is not a development position. Integration Engineer Location: Ramat Gan The Company Founded in 1989, Algorithmics is a recognized leader in enterprise risk management. Following its acquisition by the Fitch Group in January 2005, Algorithmics is the world's leading provider of enterprise risk management solutions and services that enable financial institutions to effectively understand and manage their financial risk. Algorithmics has over 200 clients, including more than 60 of the 100 largest financial institutions in the world. The Role Reporting to the Manager of Integration Engineering Professional Services, you will be involved in the implementation of AlgoSuite solutions at various customer sites. You will work as part of a team, which includes members from Integration Engineering, Financial Engineering, Business Analysis, and Project Management. You must be willing and able to travel up to 50% of the time with the possibility of spending up to 6 months on an out-of-town client assignment, Monday through Friday. Your responsibilities include: • To implement AlgoSuite solutions within customer environments by performing activities such as AlgoSuite software installation and configuration, writing custom scripts/code, data interfacing and consulting with clients. • To extract, manipulate and clean data from customer source systems in CSV and XML formats to load into Algo databases. • To effectively troubleshoot errors, performance issues, and license problems encountered by customers during implementation. • To maximize the available opportunities through attending relevant training and development courses and to pursue self-study to broaden Risk Management system knowledge. • To interact with clients by email and/or phone and provide technical support on client sites. • Other duties as assigned. Competencies and Skills • Experience on Unix (Red Hat Linux, Sun Solaris and AIX preferred) systems; some Windows XP desirable • Database experience with Oracle, Sybase or DB2 • Experience with data manipulation, transformation and cleansing using PERL, Unix Shell script languages and XSLT. • Sound knowledge of Object Oriented Programming concepts and experience with languages such as C++ and Java. • Strong organization and research skills, excellent analytical and time management skills. Algorithmics clients face complex challenges that require clear distillation, professional design, and timely implementation. Able to work under stress. • Strong verbal and written communication skills in English. Must be able to convey complex ideas to a variety of functional and technical audiences. • Ability to multitask, take initiative and take ownership of problems. • Experience with financial applications and trading systems is definite an asset. Education: University degree: Computer Science or Computer Engineering or equivalent. Work Experience: Minimum 2 to 4 years of related experience acquired in a computing services or Professional Services industry role. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Job offer
Hi Tal! On Thursday 04 October 2007, Tal Achituv wrote: Hi all, We're a small company (a subsidiary of an American company) in the online-directories and online-advertising fields, We have two job openings: 1) a web developer (Java + JSP + JavaScript), for a full time job in Ramat-Gan. 2) a senior developer, experience desired in: design and architecture of web-applications, distributed systems, databases. (using the same technologies as above). we're located in Ramat-Chen, Ramat Gan. If you're interested or know anyone who might be interested - please let me know. I'm interested to apply for opening #1. My resumés can be found here: http://www.shlomifish.org/me/resumes/ Note that I have very little experience in Java, and only a little in JavaScript. But I know many other languages and technologies, and have a lot of understanding of the Web. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ If it's not in my E-mail it doesn't happen. And if my E-mail is saying one thing, and everything else says something else - E-mail will conquer. -- An Israeli Linuxer To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ot] Job offer
Hi all, We're a small company (a subsidiary of an American company) in the online-directories and online-advertising fields, We have two job openings: 1) a web developer (Java + JSP + JavaScript), for a full time job in Ramat-Gan. 2) a senior developer, experience desired in: design and architecture of web-applications, distributed systems, databases. (using the same technologies as above). we're located in Ramat-Chen, Ramat Gan. If you're interested or know anyone who might be interested - please let me know. Thanks, Tal.
[OT] Job offer x 3
Hi list, I would like to announce that Metacafe is hiring. I work at Metacafe as System administrator. We are looking for IT Manager Senior Linux system administrator Junior Linux system administrator to work with the existing team. For those that would like to start a carrer in Linux. I give you the challenge to study RUTE (google it) and get examined of your knowledge, troubleshooting skills and fast learning. If you are a senior Linux guy the challenge would be to deal with a farm with huge traffic and popularity. If you are up to the IT manager position, you should be able to know how to work with high skilled people. Linux System Administrator # 29 At least 3 years of experience in: · Linux, Apache, mysql server. · TCP/IP networks including firewalls, cisco or cisco style devices. · Understanding of network protocols such as DNS, FTP, HTTP, SMB, NFS · Scripting with perl / shell scripts / awk. Experience in Supporting the RD Experience in Web Servers / Web Site Experience in Production Environment · Experience with php - an advantage. · Experience with RedHat - an advantage. · High learning capabilities Please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], I am just a messenger and happy member of Metacafe. -- Meir echo nfjsnAsjvoy/dpn | perl -pe 's/(.)/chr(ord($1)-1)/ge' = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Job offer - Haifa
On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:38:12AM +0200, Alex Dover wrote: I forgot to mention that he job is in Haifa. Sorry. I guess the subject [OT] Job offer - Haifa would not give people a clue. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Job offer - Haifa
Ok , lets call it a hard Thursday morning :) On 11/16/06, Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:38:12AM +0200, Alex Dover wrote: I forgot to mention that he job is in Haifa. Sorry. I guess the subject [OT] Job offer - Haifa would not give people a clue. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/
Re: [OT] Job offer - Haifa
You also forgot to mention the company's name, or at the very least what kind of company it is. Alex Dover wrote: I forgot to mention that he job is in Haifa. Sorry. RESPONSIBILITIES: ? Design, code, test and document software components for our product. ? Evolution and maintenance of implemented software products. ? Basic configuration management tasks. QUALIFICATIONS: -- ? About of 3 years of software development experience. ? C/C++ programmer with experience working on Linux ? Knowledge of TCP/IP networking (Layers 2 - 4) in depth ? Knowledge of Internet (HTTP, FTP, SMTP) protocols ? Knowledge of Linux Kernel programming - advantage ? Knowledge of routing software, experience in switches and routers configuration – advantage ? Familiar with various Linux/Unix based tools, applications, daemons ? Proficiency in scripting language such as Perl, PHP, Python, disposition to solutions building ? Excellent problem solving and troubleshooting skills. ? Good communication skills, highly motivated, very good team player Contact me if you need additional details. --Alex === To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Job offer - Haifa
RESPONSIBILITIES: ? Design, code, test and document software components for our product. ? Evolution and maintenance of implemented software products. ? Basic configuration management tasks. QUALIFICATIONS: -- ? About of 3 years of software development experience. ? C/C++ programmer with experience working on Linux ? Knowledge of TCP/IP networking (Layers 2 - 4) in depth ? Knowledge of Internet (HTTP, FTP, SMTP) protocols ? Knowledge of Linux Kernel programming - advantage ? Knowledge of routing software, experience in switches and routers configuration – advantage ? Familiar with various Linux/Unix based tools, applications, daemons ? Proficiency in scripting language such as Perl, PHP, Python, disposition to solutions building ? Excellent problem solving and troubleshooting skills. ? Good communication skills, highly motivated, very good team player Contact me if you need additional details. --Alex To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Job offer - Haifa
I forgot to mention that he job is in Haifa. Sorry. RESPONSIBILITIES: ? Design, code, test and document software components for our product. ? Evolution and maintenance of implemented software products. ? Basic configuration management tasks. QUALIFICATIONS: -- ? About of 3 years of software development experience. ? C/C++ programmer with experience working on Linux ? Knowledge of TCP/IP networking (Layers 2 - 4) in depth ? Knowledge of Internet (HTTP, FTP, SMTP) protocols ? Knowledge of Linux Kernel programming - advantage ? Knowledge of routing software, experience in switches and routers configuration – advantage ? Familiar with various Linux/Unix based tools, applications, daemons ? Proficiency in scripting language such as Perl, PHP, Python, disposition to solutions building ? Excellent problem solving and troubleshooting skills. ? Good communication skills, highly motivated, very good team player Contact me if you need additional details. --Alex To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Job Offer
Hi people, This job offer has absolutelly nothing to do with Linux so please don't flame me if it seems unappropriate. We are looking to reqruit a person for Automated QA Engineer position. The neccessary skills are: 1. Good ability to learn new stuff fast. 2. At least 1 year of programming experience (no matter what language and where). Advantage skills (not neccessary but precedence will be given to whomever has them): 1. _vbscript_ experience. 2. Experience with automation tools such as Mercury QTP or Compuware TestPartner. 3. Knowledge of QA methodology. Company that I work for is called Qualitest, we are one of the leading companies in the QA field in Israel. The current project we are reqruiting for is in the Center area. If that seems appealing to you, please contact me either by email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 050-3114151. Regards, Oleg Kobets Project Manager Qualitest Ltd. 050-3114151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.qualitest.co.il
[OT JOB OFFER] IT person with Linux Clusters experience
Zlango (http://www.zlango.com) is looking for an IT person with Linux experience, specifically with Linux Clusters (linux-ha) experience. Experience managing Java/Tomcat/Database applications would be a significant advantage. For more details please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT: JOB OFFER] Night Shift Production Administrator at aduva
Hello list. We're looking for two linux oriented power users which need to man the Content Development shifts during the night (20:00 to 08:00) and alternate weekends. This could be an ideal job for a CS or other student (no degree required) looking for a night job and requires a mix of remote work from home and some on-site work in our Verification lab in Ramat Gan. Requirements: - Has a good solid working knowledge of Linux/Unix. - Strong Shell(command line) skills.(Unix power user) - Willing to work on site/connect from home during nightshifts and weekends Advantages: Unix/Linux System Administration Experience. QA Experience. PC hardware Knowledge/Experience. Linux hobbyist (Enjoys playing with linux on his spare time). Please send CV's to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. regards Lior -- Peace Love and Penguins -Lior Kesos
OT: JOB OFFER - artNET Recruiting.
Hi there, My company is looking for linux and network ppl for a security job position. Is this job for you? Do you have good systems knowledge and you are willing to make a carrier in the security field? Do you enjoy learning and not rutine jobs? Position description: Web penetrations. Wifi and network penetration. Security assessment hardening code review Requirements: - good tcp/ip knowledge Linux at minimum power user level good hebrew ( better) self disciplined high speed learning capacity Good to have: -- PERL knowledge other programming knowledge Please reply to the email if you are interested to attend an interview. P.S. sorry for the spelling. Meir Michanie = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: job offer - linux kernel programmer
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Anatoly Asviyan wrote: Hello Tehuti Networks company is looking for talented programmer to join Linux Driver group you know, it is very nice to see that it took the company around 6 month to leave the strategically positioned office in haifa (see http://www.tehutinetworks.net/newstore/shop2071/newstorefront/Lookup.taf?_function=details_ID=28GROOP=21) in favor of hertzelya. you might want to tell your marcom/PR people to view the 'news' items on your sites and remove this embarassing statement ;) -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: job offer - linux kernel programmer
Hello Tehuti Networks company is looking for talented programmer to join Linux Driver group Job description: * writing/extending network driver * performance tuning, optimization, benchmarking * implementing new features, like RDMA, TCP offloading etc * creating (semi) automatic unit testing and QA system (but not QA itself) Requirements: * Good understanding of Linux internals * Strong C coding skill * Experience with writing Linux kernel code * Basic experience in Unix/Linux system administration Web site : http://www.tehutinetworks.com/ Please send your CV to aanatoly at gmail.com -- Regards, Anatoly
[OT] Job Offer
Title: System Administrator Company: DiskSites Job Description: * Assume total responsibility for IT management in the company. * Define and implement security infrastructure. * Redefine and implement mail infrastructure. * Manage all (RD related, non RD related) servers (Windows and Linux). * Handle IT requirements of QA lab. * Handle backups. * Manage suppliers. * Consult RD and product management with various system-related matters. * Potentially provide customer support. * Potentially manage software configuration and source control systems. Requirements: * Vast experience in Unix/Linux system administration. * Fluent in scripting languages, and various other sysadmin aids (shell, awk, perl, python, etc.) * Experience in Windows administration - Domains management, user management, Exchange etc. * Good understanding of OS's infrastructure, communication protocols, security principles and tools. * Good understanding of various hardware components, their interactions and differences. * Experience with programming. Source control - advantage. * Fluent in English and Hebrew. * Good awareness of the open-source world - its pros and cons. Address: Azrieli Center, Tel Aviv Phone: 03-691-1160 Fax: 03-691-2282 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Person Name: Yuval Hager = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Job Offer: Talented web designer with Linux brain
Dear list, I am looking for a talented web designer / web design company to work as an employee or subcontractor for a startup web solution/marketing business. Requirements: 2 years experience of: HTML/Javascript/CSS PHP MySQL/Postgresql Hebrew and English at very high level or mother tongue Salary according to ability and experience For more info please see: http://www.iglu.org.il/jobs/search/?area=Jerusalemkeyword=netzach Daniel Ariel CEO Netzach = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Job Offer: Talented web designer with Linux brain
Dear list, I am looking for a talented web designer / web design company to work as an employee or subcontractor for a startup web solution/marketing business. Requirements: 2 years experience of: HTML/Javascript/CSS PHP MySQL/Postgresql Hebrew and English at very high level or mother tongue Salary according to ability and experience For more info please see: http://www.iglu.org.il/jobs/search/?area=Jerusalemkeyword=netzach Daniel Ariel CEO Netzach = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: job offer
hi we are looking for an experienced computer graphics guy. working environment will probably be OpenGL/Linux below is the job description, the company's web page is at www.camero-tech.com cheers, erez job description: Graphics SW engineer Job Requirements Candidates must have at least 7 years experience in development of computer graphics applications. OpenGL (C/C++) programming experience. Rendering performance optimization and analysis experience. Deep understanding of HW Graphic Accelerators architecture is a plus. Familiar with image processing techniques is a plus. Digital video implementation experience is a plus. Experience with real time applications on embedded platforms is a plus. Qualified candidates should have a Bachelors degree in Computer Science, Electrical Eng., Mathematics or an equivalent degree.
[OT] Job Offer
Hi! My company, located in Ramat-Gan, is looking for a fulltime person for the maintenance (and some design) of a db of application level attacks, which is part of a dynamic profiling firewall. If you are interested in the field of application security, and/or have any (theoretical or hands-on) hacking experience, and know SQL, Perl and/or C# ... Please send me your CV, or contact me for more details. Tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi all, as most of you know (or not) i migrated to the U.S a little more then a year ago, and i now live in new York. I've recently started my own business here, and along the way i came across a person that used to be a product managerfor a company i used to work for in Israel. they area very successful startup, and already raised a considerable amount of cash. they are opening an office Manhattan these days and are looking for someone that specializes in IP Phones. the purpose is to find a cheap and efficient way to communicate with several offices across the U.S, and in israel. the solution can certainly be an open source one, and its even the preferable one. if you are interested in a project in the U.S, that may very well lead to a full time employment opportunity, please Email me offlist to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . thanks, tal.
OT: JOB OFFER
Hello all, I was asked to pass on the following job offer. If interested, please reply with your CV attached (no MS formats, please...) to me directly, and I'll forward it further. - A start-up company is looking for a freelancer for a job covering design of a medium-scale multi-platform software project (splitting into independent modules for further outsourcing, definitions of APIs of the modules) and implementation of core part(s) of the project. Requirements: * Good understanding of principles of software design, with an accent on the OO approach * Solid experience in C/C++, with an accent on portability * Good knowledge of SQL, with an accent on portability (as far as possible...) + Math academic background is a plus + Experience with Java and/or other multi-platform GUI programming is a plus + Real-life experience with SQL optimizations is a plus + Knowledge of the MS Windows internals is a plus The time scope of the job is ~ 100-200 hours, 1-2 months in the real time. Depending on a few factors, the cooperation can be prolonged. - Regards, Evgeny = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Job offer: looking for part time sysadmin
Hi, A small (~30 employees) company near Netanya is looking for an experienced sysadmin to administer a couple of Solaris servers, running a variety of CAD tools, a firewall, mail server, along with some Windows file servers and desktops. Experience with Linux a strong advantage, but not a must. The scope of the job is roughly 2 days on-site per week, with availability on-call (i.e., for emergencies) of around 3 hours. Please reply directly to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], not to the list. Thanks, Rony = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Job Offer -- Linux system administrator.
This job offer applies mainly to Technion students, but other higher education institutes students are also welcome. Bosmat Junior Technical College is looking for a good Linux system administrator. Requirements: Excellent Linux system administration skills Networks (TCP/IP) knowledge PC hardware repairment skills Microsoft and Novell network knowledge For futher details contact me (Leonid) at phone numbers: 055-696948, 064-781423. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] The AQJO (Aduva Quarterly Job Offer)
Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Evgeney, hi. We have not spoken a long time now. Hi Marc; indeed. I think you're being unkind to the kid. I know, I know - I should've waited for you to act; but the temptation was too strong ;-) In all likelihood, these conditions were set by the powers above him. Maybe. But he certainly didn't attempt to make a distantiation from the powers to be. The style of the posting was informal and the pronoun we was used throughout it (we're looking for, we didn't answer). But even if they were not, he should not be flagelated with a scsi cable, just a serial ATA one. Oh sure. Sorry for (mis)using the Instrument of the Master ;-). Next time, I'll get around with my modest SATA ribbon. Regards, Evgeny = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] [JOB OFFER] The AQJO (Aduva Quarterly Job Offer)
Well we're looking for another Content Development Engineer. Many Excellent people answered the last post and I'm sorry we didn't return answers. The reason is that the emphasis here is that this as an entry position - We're looking for somebody with the passion and the will to learn ,but not the Ex VPRD with 9 years of linux experience and a weird fetish for SCSI cables :) . Someone that has been playing with linux along his CS degree and would really like to get paid for his hobby is the desired direction - Our ideal candidate is a person who: - Has a good working knowledge of Linux (past experience as sys admin - strong advantage). - Has high/proven capabilities in SW development (c,c++). - Strong Command line Capabilities. - Enjoys scripting (shell, perl, python). - knows and has experience with SQL. - BSC/BA in relevant field. - Not afraid to stick hist hands into whirring fans box (pc hardware knowhow). - A team player who wants to keep learning and working in a pure Linux. environment Our company is located in Ramat Gan. This is a full time position. If you fit the profile and wish to join our company, please email your CV to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please CC me as well. regards - -- Lior Kesos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Development Team Leader == Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler -- Albert Einstein = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] The AQJO (Aduva Quarterly Job Offer)
Lior Kesos wrote: Well we're looking for another Content Development Engineer. Many Excellent people answered the last post and I'm sorry we didn't return answers. The reason is that the emphasis here is that this as an entry position - We're looking for somebody with the passion and the will to learn ,but not the Ex VPRD with 9 years of linux experience and a weird fetish for SCSI cables :) . Someone that has been playing with linux along his CS degree and would really like to get paid for his hobby is the desired direction - Our ideal candidate is a person who: - Has a good working knowledge of Linux (past experience as sys admin - strong advantage). - Has high/proven capabilities in SW development (c,c++). - Strong Command line Capabilities. - Enjoys scripting (shell, perl, python). - knows and has experience with SQL. - BSC/BA in relevant field. - Not afraid to stick hist hands into whirring fans box (pc hardware knowhow). - A team player who wants to keep learning and working in a pure Linux. environment I must admit I haven't seen a more cynical job offer. In a few words, it can be summarized as follows: We're looking for an excellent person who'd agree to work for us for pennies. Those who mention they should get an appropriate payment we don't even bother answering. Good luck and please let us know who the successful candidate is. I'll add his name to my list of idiots (which already contains yours, of course). Regards, Evgeny = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] The AQJO (Aduva Quarterly Job Offer)
LOL, you have a pont there. - Original Message - From: Evgeny Stambulchik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Linux-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] The AQJO (Aduva Quarterly Job Offer) Lior Kesos wrote: Well we're looking for another Content Development Engineer. Many Excellent people answered the last post and I'm sorry we didn't return answers. The reason is that the emphasis here is that this as an entry position - We're looking for somebody with the passion and the will to learn ,but not the Ex VPRD with 9 years of linux experience and a weird fetish for SCSI cables :) . Someone that has been playing with linux along his CS degree and would really like to get paid for his hobby is the desired direction - Our ideal candidate is a person who: - Has a good working knowledge of Linux (past experience as sys admin - strong advantage). - Has high/proven capabilities in SW development (c,c++). - Strong Command line Capabilities. - Enjoys scripting (shell, perl, python). - knows and has experience with SQL. - BSC/BA in relevant field. - Not afraid to stick hist hands into whirring fans box (pc hardware knowhow). - A team player who wants to keep learning and working in a pure Linux. environment I must admit I haven't seen a more cynical job offer. In a few words, it can be summarized as follows: We're looking for an excellent person who'd agree to work for us for pennies. Those who mention they should get an appropriate payment we don't even bother answering. Good luck and please let us know who the successful candidate is. I'll add his name to my list of idiots (which already contains yours, of course). Regards, Evgeny = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] The AQJO (Aduva Quarterly Job Offer)
Evgeny Stambulchik wrote: I must admit I haven't seen a more cynical job offer. In a few words, it can be summarized as follows: We're looking for an excellent person who'd agree to work for us for pennies. T You might look at it as cynical but - Yes I'm looking for someone excellent and yes this is an entry level position meaning - we're actually looking for somebody with little or no work experience which is sitting now at home, wondering how come all of the other companies filter out his CV while he has done tons of open-source work which look to other employers as a silly hobby and do not consider it to be real experience. I admire you're ability to psychanalyze me so quickly and find out I'm an idiot. But I'm sure people that have just finished a degree and working guarding mall's at daytime and hacking at night (ask hetz - it has happened before) - will appriciate the posibility to find their first job in computers a bit more then you do. warm regards to you, O gifted psychoanalyst where should I send the check ? -- Lior Kesos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Development Team Leader == Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler -- Albert Einstein = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] The AQJO (Aduva Quarterly Job Offer)
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Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] The AQJO (Aduva Quarterly Job Offer)
Quoth Evgeny Stambulchik: Lior Kesos wrote: I must admit I haven't seen a more cynical job offer. In a few words, it can be summarized as follows: Evgeney, hi. We have not spoken a long time now. Good luck and please let us know who the successful candidate is. I'll add his name to my list of idiots (which already contains yours, of course). I think you're being unkind to the kid. I know Lior from past association and he's, in my opinion, the second-best person to have worked for that benighted company. In all likelihood, these conditions were set by the powers above him. But even if they were not, he should not be flagelated with a scsi cable, just a serial ATA one. Cheerio. M -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Job Offer - Driver Dev.
Hello! A wireless-lan company in raanana is looking for a talented Linux driver developer. Please send cv's to [EMAIL PROTECTED] a.s.a.p. Thanks, Tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Job Offer
Good morning List. Bynet Semech (Outsourcing) is looking for a linux/unix with a dash of windows sysadmin. Job requires knowledge in: - Linux system administration (Mostly Network services: DNS,Apache,FTP etc.) - Solaris 8 (Again: NIS, NFS, Samba, dhcp) and Sun hardware. - Workstations are Win2K Based, Knowledge of Exchange2000/AD, Win2k Server. - Some basic networking skills (Cisco, Nortel, cabling and such) - Checkpoint FW-1 - Oracle a plus This is an outsourcing job. You can email CV's to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more specifics about this job. +Katriel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
One possibility (not necessarily applicable for this one) is that the job involves work abroad. There are countries that do not give work permits unless you have a degree (as a proof of special expertise that can not be replaced with locals). But that only applies to PhD's or the equivalent, not to lower degrees. A second possibility is that somebody is paying per-hour fees. For such a job, there may be a specific request for someone with a degree as the pay-hour fee might be higher. Could be, often it doesn't matter. However on a business plan or proposal dgrees mean things, especialy in this country. It seems though that being a kernel guru is a unique quality by itself that is not related to a degree. This does not mean the public perception understands that... Never have, never will. :-) Good CEO's do understand that, bad ones don't. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-54-608-069 Do sysadmins count networked sheep? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Small disclaimer due to the fact I was asked to post the job and that a healthy thread emerged - I have no degree whatsoever and am extremely happy that the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) axiom applies very well to the CS field. The way I see it 90% of the jobs people actualy do in CS are not so mathimatically/alogorithmic wise complex that a simple administrator that can code like me can't deal with. And for the remaining 10% of the jobs I hear there are plenty jobless CS major with a 90 avarage looking for a job ... -- Lior Kesos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Development Team Leader == Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler -- Albert Einstein = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
+5 Word! :-) Gilboa * * Yet another uneducated fool, that managed to stay employed during the years by using the KISS factor. [Kudos for the new word!]. On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 15:03, Lior Kesos wrote: Small disclaimer due to the fact I was asked to post the job and that a healthy thread emerged - I have no degree whatsoever and am extremely happy that the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) axiom applies very well to the CS field. The way I see it 90% of the jobs people actualy do in CS are not so mathimatically/alogorithmic wise complex that a simple administrator that can code like me can't deal with. And for the remaining 10% of the jobs I hear there are plenty jobless CS major with a 90 avarage looking for a job ... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Quoting Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The way I see it 90% of the jobs people actualy do in CS are not so mathimatically/alogorithmic wise complex that a simple administrator that can code like me can't deal with. Well, in my rich work experience, I've had to maintain a lot of other people's code. Let me tell you one thing - code written by someone clueful about algorithms and efficiency and data structures is *miles* away from code written by the I learned by studying the Java book or I took a course at Sivan kind of programmer. I'm not sure about administrator's coding, not having looked at a lot of such code except shell scripts. But the clueless really write awful code. No idea of re-using code. No idea of uniformity of concepts (write a read loop in one way, not in ten way along the code). Lots of hard-coded constants (I had to clean up such code only a week ago. Two wasted hours). Heck, some of them actually compare boolean variables to true or to false in ifs and whiles... I'm not talking about any complex datastructures or re-implementing the hash table. I'm talking about a *clue*. Like that famous program from my military days, which was always a nightmare. They set it to run, and came back two days later for the results. Then one of the more clueful programmers (who didn't actually have a BSc then) took a look at it and discovered it was doing a bubble sort on its database. He wrote it with quicksort or something equally efficient. It changed to running two hours instead of two days. As I said in the example itself, you don't necessarily have to have a BSc to have the necessary clue. However, when someone has a BSc, you can be sure that he *was* exposed to the required concepts and actually marked for them. So it gives you that much certainty. The problem with the clueless is that their programs *work* to spec. It's just that they are not maintainable, extensible, or even readable... However I think that if someone is a kernel guru, he must be clueful by definition. Especially if any of his work has been peer-reviewed. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
-Original Message- From: Herouth Maoz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] Like that famous program from my military days, which was always a nightmare. They set it to run, and came back two days later for the results. Then one of the more clueful programmers (who didn't actually have a BSc then) took a look at it and discovered it was doing a bubble sort on its database. He wrote it with quicksort or something equally efficient. It changed to running two hours instead of two days. Heh, that's nothing! I had a programmer ask me to give him unlimited time on the mainframe. When asked he said he has to run a one-time program. I said Okay, but had him put checkpoint logs so we'll know the progress. After the first few checkpoints it was evident that two weeks (!) would not be enough. I asked for the source, and noticed an O(n**3) algorithm with a large n. After analyzing the requirements I have taught him an O(n) in code + O(nlogn) in database preprocessing. Took less than an hour to run. Yes, it was in the army. Yes the above programer was a MAMRAM programming course graduate + 3 years of experience. and Yes the O(n) algorithm was Merge-Sort. -- Arik ** This email and attachments have been scanned for potential proprietary or sensitive information leakage. PortAuthority(TM) Server Keeping Information Inside Vidius, Inc. www.vidius.com ** To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Gilboa Davara wrote: +5 Word! :-) Gilboa * * Yet another uneducated fool, that managed to stay employed during the years by using the KISS factor. shuks pa I may be uneducated but if I can stick my wrench into that Menuconfig and patch kernels that can pick eggs from the farm for me I guess I'm doing ok ... [Kudos for the new word!]. Extremely old word - http://www.digital-web.com/features/feature_2001-6.shtml http://www.psychologyhelp.com/psyc31.htm and many more searchable from google my one and only teacher ... -- Lior Kesos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Development Team Leader == Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler -- Albert Einstein = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Herouth Maoz wrote:
Well, in my rich work experience, I've had to maintain a lot of other people's
code. Let me tell you one thing - code written by someone clueful about
algorithms and efficiency and data structures is *miles* away from code written
by the I learned by studying the Java book or I took a course at Sivan kind
of programmer.
...
As I said in the example itself, you don't necessarily have to have a BSc to
have the necessary clue. However, when someone has a BSc, you can be sure that
he *was* exposed to the required concepts and actually marked for them. So it
gives you that much certainty.
My only disagreement is about the assumption that someone with BSc is
indeed clueful. Some of them are, some aren't and it's the same exact
thing with non BSc people.
A lot of people who did study Comp Sci managed to learn algorythmics and
complixy issue as an abstract concept and are completly unable to
*apply* this theoretical knowledge in real life.
I have a simple question I ask people that claim to have Comp Sci degree
which I interview for jobs:
The company you worked for has a scripting language. The code for the
scripting language engine main loop looks like this:
Foo state;
while(!done) {
done = eval(GetNextLine(), state);
}
Assume you have any possible function you might ever want to get any
meaningfull state of the running program from state, as well as any
procedure you might need to query the script text and structure.
The marketing dept. have gotten report from the field operators that our
customers, which are not VERY technical, has a very specific problem
with our scripting language - they tend to write scripts that go into
infinate loops.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to design an addition
to the scriping engine that would alert the user that he has written a
script that has an infinite loop.
The percent of Comp Sci degree holder that don't answer the qestion
correctly is above 50.
In addition, it might be that the percentage of cluefull people with BSc
is higher. *However* some of the brightest and most talented programmers
I know lack a BSc is Comp Sci for vairous reasons - one is dyslexic, the
other has a Physics degree. Are you really willing to forgo them in advance?
However I think that if someone is a kernel guru, he must be clueful by
definition. Especially if any of his work has been peer-reviewed.
Non trivial amount of peer reviewed work is a definite sign for cluefull
ness.
Gilad
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Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Herouth Maoz wrote: Quoting Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The way I see it 90% of the jobs people actualy do in CS are not so mathimatically/alogorithmic wise complex that a simple administrator that can code like me can't deal with. Well, in my rich work experience, I've had to maintain a lot of other people's code. Let me tell you one thing - code written by someone clueful about algorithms and efficiency and data structures is *miles* away from code written by the I learned by studying the Java book or I took a course at Sivan kind of programmer. When _I_ finished my course at sela I couldn't write anything with any value whatsoever so I can agree with you about someone just graduating from a technical school although alot of emphasis on practical efficient programming. I've heard many people being more happy with these technical school graduates for missions that don't require the scaling of the engineers to be a GUI programmer or a database programmer (whoops just covered 50% of the market if not more) one does not have to be a rocket scientist. The typical problem that may occur is that when realy tough reqirements come along like having very strict memory/cpu resources or image manipulation stuff that triggers very optimised coding these people may not have the math for the algorithims. But as I said I believe this to be 10% of the market. The one things I believe you're missing out on is the ability of the individual to teach himself. I have learned out of - trial and error , google, My Peers source, My Peers advice, Articles in various developer sites, plain curiosity and intrest tons more then in my formal education and manage workers with second degree's with out feeling unworthy or oversimplistic. The ability to learn alone is not something that you learn in the university and I think is one of the most importent skills that any wannabe programmer/IT proffesional shoulkd ever have. -- Lior Kesos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Development Team Leader == Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler -- Albert Einstein = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
As I said in the example itself, you don't necessarily have to have a BSc to have the necessary clue. However, when someone has a BSc, you can be sure that he *was* exposed to the required concepts and actually marked for them. So it gives you that much certainty. My 2 cents to the thread: During highschool, in one of the practical computer classes(That is, we actually used a computer for coding), I've run into a case where a pascal program did not do what it expected to do. I have attempted to trivialy debug the code using watches and checkpoints, and asked the teacher to see the result. She was in no way a clueless person, and she had a CS degree, yet she couldn't understand what's the hell I was trying to do. -- Idan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Lior Kesos wrote on 2003-07-07: The one things I believe you're missing out on is the ability of the individual to teach himself. I have learned out of - trial and error , google, My Peers source, My Peers advice, Articles in various developer sites, plain curiosity and intrest tons more then in my formal education Me too. I'd say anybody with a clue has learned more by himself. Proof: I can name only a handful courses that gave me any clue ;). The ability to learn alone is not something that you learn in the university and I think is one of the most importent skills that any wannabe programmer/IT proffesional should ever have. Well, I've learnt alone in my university years (now finishing) more than any time before ;-). It's probably a coincidece with my heavier use of the net and heavier exposure to FOSS. In any case, but how do you assess this ability? Perhaps by having the person list things he has learnt outside formal education. -- Beni Cherniavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Israel is moving to 7-digit cellphone numbers since the current 6-digit scheme, although prolonged for some time by supernetting, comes to the end of its useful life, once again due to address space exhaustion [RFC 1606 on IPv9 :-]. Why won't they just use DNS? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Idan Sofer wrote: She was in no way a clueless person, and she had a CS degree, yet she couldn't understand what's the hell I was trying to do. Are you sure it was a CS degree and not a CS education degree? Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 GPG public key at http://alon.wox.org/pubkey.txt Key fingerprint = A670 6C81 19D3 3773 3627 DE14 B44A 50A3 FE06 7F24 -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- The program isn't debugged until the last user is dead. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Quoting Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've heard many people being more happy with these technical school graduates for missions that don't require the scaling of the engineers to be a GUI programmer or a database programmer (whoops just covered 50% of the market if not more) one does not have to be a rocket scientist. Probably those many people never took a look at their code... Have you seen stored procedures with GOTO statements in them? I have. In fact, structures that emulate while loops with GOTO, when there is need only for an IF because you get exactly one row from the preceding query... And the language does include whiles if they needed it... I'm not even talking about all the HTML crap and Javascript filth that I've had to sift through in my years of web programming. Or content loading. Easy enough task, isn't it? Parsing a text file and putting the proper values into the database. Well, apparently not when you give it to a clueless programmer who does it in Java when she doesn't know Java, and comes up with the ugliest state machine with so many dependencies that if we have to add a field to that file, we need to write the whole thing anew. Or our wap programmer who wrote every program three times to match different display requirements by three cellular providers. Not a clue how to write ifs, never mind using templates. But hey, their things worked. At the time. It's just now that they were all cut back, *I* have to do all the maintenance... Yes, there are counter examples. For example, again in the military, I had to maintain a program in which a couple of older Atudaim (i.e. CS graduates) implemented a serious algorithm of their own devising. They were considered geniuses in that military unit. And it was a complex one. It's only that no-one could ever read it. It was full of q=p, pp=qq++ etc., and the only comment in the program said And now q gets the value of qq. I swear. However, I maintain my position that there is strong correlation between degree and cluefullness. Also, every single clueful programmer whom I met during the years of work, if he wasn't a CS graduate then, he had become one since then. So it was merely a matter of being good material. So, how do you hire people? Well, in the days when programmers were worth their weight in gold, you had to somehow test all the four applicants that sent you CVs. But these days, that you have 4000 applicants for every job, including ones that don't even fit *one* of the requirements, you have to find heuristics that will cut the numbers down to manageable size which you *can* test. A BSc is such a heuristic. So it discriminates against the few clueful non-academics. How would you do it, if you had to contend with thousands of CVs? Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Alon Altman wrote: Are you sure it was a CS degree and not a CS education degree? -=[ Random Fortune ]=- The program isn't debugged until the last user is dead. I always thought it was good code if I could understand code I wrote on Friday on Monday morning. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-54-608-069 Do sysadmins count networked sheep? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
, 7 2003, 17:59, Herouth Maoz : So, how do you hire people? Well, in the days when programmers were worth their weight in gold, you had to somehow test all the four applicants that sent you CVs. But these days, that you have 4000 applicants for every job, including ones that don't even fit *one* of the requirements, you have to find heuristics that will cut the numbers down to manageable size which you *can* test. A BSc is such a heuristic. So it discriminates against the few clueful non-academics. How would you do it, if you had to contend with thousands of CVs? you have said it yourself: a degree does not mean that you know a shit. and btw: there is a title called BTech, which is very similar to Bsc. some good people have it. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - diego / The cow is nothing but a machine which \ | makes grass fit for us people to eat. | \ -- John McNulty/ \ ^__^ \ (xx)\___ (__)\ )\/\ U ||w | || || Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
How would you do it, if you had to contend with thousands of CVs? Ask for txt file format cv's and use regex with you're favorite scripting language ?:) -- Lior Kesos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Development Team Leader == Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler -- Albert Einstein = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Herouth Maoz wrote: So, how do you hire people? Well, in the days when programmers were worth their weight in gold, you had to somehow test all the four applicants that sent you Programmers today are indeed not worth their weight in gold - but *excellent* programmers are. In fact, I claim that excellent programmers are worth more now - no one has the money to waste on half-bad ones anymore and you are actualy accepted to show results. Does the phrase: I'm not rich enough to buy cheaply sounds famielir? CVs. But these days, that you have 4000 applicants for every job, including ones that don't even fit *one* of the requirements, you have to find heuristics that will cut the numbers down to manageable size which you *can* test. A BSc is such a heuristic. So it discriminates against the few clueful non-academics. How would you do it, if you had to contend with thousands of CVs? Again, excellent programmers have not become any less scarce - just the noise has grown. The general way to sift through 4000 application is to not ask for them to begin with and instead to pre-select the people and places that you choose to send your message to. For example, by posting to lists lke linux-il, as opposed to the general press, for example or simply hire a proffesional to do it for you. Gilad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Meir Michanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I quit univeristy twice and I am partialy proud of it. While this has no direct relevance to the B.Sc. dilemma, I suggest you don't mention that to your next potential employer. A question that jumps to my head immediately is, will you be equally proud of quitting my company at some critical stage of development? There may be a number of reasons why a company will want to hire a university graduate in a relevant field. One clue may be arrived at by considering the difference between a person who has graduated successfully, and another who took all the same courses as a shome'a hofshi. The difference is ... the exams. You may think the exam system is good, or you may think it is bad, but there is a certain value in preparing yourself to this hurdle (maybe especially if the type of the exam is not to your liking) and passing it. For the record, I do *not* have a CS degree, so I probably would not qualify. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
On Monday 07 July 2003 10:52, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: One possibility (not necessarily applicable for this one) is that the job involves work abroad. There are countries that do not give work permits unless you have a degree (as a proof of special expertise that can not be replaced with locals). But that only applies to PhD's or the equivalent, not to lower degrees. Depends where. In Germany for instance they require any degree (even BSc) and some bla bla from the company that needs you there. At least that was the case a couple of years a go. It also used to be a requirement for a US work permit but I don't know what are their current rules as they did change a lot recently, as you know. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:35:39 +0300 Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you do it, if you had to contend with thousands of CVs? Ask for txt file format cv's and ... GOOD! just asking for txt file format would definitely cut the clueless replies by 50% (those who can only write in MS-word and don't know to save-as text. Now you just have to ask for LF terminated lines and you are right on target :-) -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron The use of Windoze cripples the mind; its use should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. (With apologies to Edsger W. Dijkstra) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
I would like to remark the point. I am not saying that ppl with Bsc are not good. I am saying that if you have the knowledge of all the previous points, so the last point is superflous. another two things, try to sum up the number of years of experience requiered, if the guy is good he has have expended at least 8 years at senior level + the years of learning. Would Marcelo Tosatti qualify for the job position? I feel that the MUST requierment for a Bsc is like a cancer in the opensource community where you are valuable by what you do and not who you are. IF you have the knowledge and you know how to use it, so you are the guy. The day I will have my own company I would judge ppl for what they can do, the fast they can learn what do they not know and their joy at work. On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 23:57, Meir Michanie wrote: *Bsc in Computer science - a must. Why a Bsc is so important, Most of the Phds guys I know are not good for practical issues, and most of them even not at theorical. I quit univeristy twice and I am partialy proud of it. I try to think hard enought why it could be of interest to hire a Bsc,... And the only reason I see is that it may serve to show off to potential investors. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Meir Michanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
-Original Message- From: Meir Michanie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] Why a Bsc is so important, Most of the Phds guys I know are not good for practical issues, and most of them even not at theorical. I don't want anyone to take offence, but when I interview people, I look at their degree as a certificate that says that the person certified by it can take up long-term task and finish them. They have studied, for 3 or 4 years, gone through the various hoops and toils of the academic world, and emerged victorious on the other side, with the diploma in hand. A worthy project, IMHO. Plus the smart ones get to pick some useful stuff along the way. Obviously this is not the only factor by which I judge the applicant - some people just coast through their degree like they are made from Teflon - nothing sticks. You ask the simplest CS question and their eyes go blank. It also bears some correlation to the institution issuing the degree - some are harder, objectively, than others - which means the student is either more involved or did not get her degree. This is why IMHO a degree can be a criteria. It's not fair putting it as a MUST - but it does give the interviewer a coarse filter, especially today when the job seekers are plentiful. PhDs, are another issue, though. I quit univeristy twice and I am partialy proud of it. Without looking at your particular case, when I hear someone saying that I hear 'I don't have what it takes to finish what I start doing'. I don't want to hurt your feelings, but it doesn't sound too good. On the other hand, in 1997-2000 many people just quit university because the start-up world was too enticing, and they are good enough to get a job without a degree. After all, 5.4% of the richest people in the world are collage dropouts [1]. If someone without a degree would have applied for a position to which I believe a degree is required, I would scrutinize their CV carefully before inviting them for an interview. I try to think hard enought why it could be of interest to hire a Bsc,... And the only reason I see is that it may serve to show off to potential investors. That could also be it. -- Arik [1] http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2002/03/01/gates-richest-man.htm ** This email and attachments have been scanned for potential proprietary or sensitive information leakage. PortAuthority(TM) Server Keeping Information Inside Vidius, Inc. www.vidius.com ** To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Arik, (and the list) On the other hand, in 1997-2000 many people just quit university because the start-up world was too enticing, and they are good enough to get a job without a degree. After all, 5.4% of the richest people in the world are collage dropouts [1]. The same thing happend to me in the U.S. in 1972/73. You could walk down a large street in any business district almost anywhere with a sandwich sign saying I kan progrum komputrs and get a job in 5 minutes. One friend of mine got a programming job at barbecue and he wasn't even there. :-) On The other hand in the late 80's I was one of if not the best BAL programer in the world (300 lines of tested, debugged code from specs per day 5 days per week for almost 6 months). Think anyone cares now? Now its just a minor footnote on a resume that's too long. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-54-608-069 Do sysadmins count networked sheep? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] [JOB OFFER] - We we are looking for Linux Kernel Guru
Meir Michanie wrote: *Bsc in Computer science - a must. Why a Bsc is so important, Most of the Phds guys I know are not good for practical issues, and most of them even not at theorical. I quit univeristy twice and I am partialy proud of it. I try to think hard enought why it could be of interest to hire a Bsc,... And the only reason I see is that it may serve to show off to potential investors. As someone who actually has a B.A. in computer science AND is knowledgable about the Linux kernel enough to get paid for code for it, I couldn't help wondering about the same thing myself... :-) Gilad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT ?] Job Offer
Hello All. MRV is looking for a couple of experienced programmers for Linux networking/kernel oriented programming. Requirements: - Programming experience on Linux - Knowledge of Nework Protocols (TCP/IP) Advantages: - Kernel and Device Drivers Programming - Routing Protocols - Embedded Systems (Non-x86, BSPs, Flash, etc) We are located in Yokneam. Please contact me if you want more details. Eran. -- Eran Mann MRV International Tel: 972-4-9936297 Fax: 972-4-9890430 www.mrv.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Job offer for students
Can you bypass e-mail Anti-Virus filtering software? [1] Can you seamlessly gain root privileges from web administration software? [2] Do you think you can bypass Exchange Server's authentication mechanism? [3] WhiteHat - Beyond Security is looking for you! We are looking for students for a part time job in the field of computer security for a challenging position. Qualifications: - C Mother tongue - Full English language skills - Strong people skills - Curiosity - Linux knowledge If you are found to be qualified, you will be invited to take an internship in Beyond Security's special projects department and get the chance to work with the world's leading minds in the field of computer security. To apply please email your resume to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This announcement is intended for male and female alike. Only appropriate candidates will be answered. [1] http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5YP0A0K8CM.html [2] http://www.securiteam.com/unixfocus/5CP0R1P80G.html [3] http://www.securiteam.com/windowsntfocus/5WP091P5FQ.html Regards, Aviram Jenik Beyond Security Ltd. http://www.BeyondSecurity.com http://www.SecuriTeam.com Know that you're safe: http://www.AutomatedScanning.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT : Job Offer
Our company is looking for Unix/Linux and security oriented person for managing distributed WAN configuration . Requirements: - Good security knowledge; - Checkpoint Firewall (Linux and Solaris) platforms; - System Unix/Linux; - Mail, DNS; - Basic routing, Cisco is advantage; - Fluent English (a lot of phone conversations); - Need to be a problem-solver; - Team worker. Send me your CV (preferably in bloody M$ doc format) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evgeny PopovNetwork and Security Administrator Comsec Publicom Ltd.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix IS user friendly, it is just selective about who his friends are. Anonymous ** The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** ** = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Job Offer in Aduva
Hi ! Aduva is looking for a Linux man/woman. Someone who can lead a group of people to develop and maintain a very big Linux Testing Lab. The work is under a tight daily time tables, so the work requires staying late more often than not. Requirements: *Good managerial abilities Experienced UNIX sysadmin Speaks PERL and other script languages MySQL/Other SQL databases Send Resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or your humble servant. --ury CTO Aduva, INC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: job offer(s) in kiryat tivon
On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:34:52 +0200 (EET), guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd just like to add that i personally see linux as one more brand of unix, and tuhs view the complete unix market as one unified market. after all, my development on linux, solaris, or any other unix, is done using very similar tools, and requires the same set of skills. but that's my opinion. I agree with this completely. Any sysadmin who isn't flexible enough to find his way on "Type A" Unix brand when he is supposed to be proficient in "Type B" Unix brand is probably not a very good sysadmin anyhow. It's like the question I was asked the other day "Is Linux a Unix?" and the short answer I gave was "it depends how you define Unix". The longer answer being: "If you define Unix as everything derived from the original ATT source code then Linux is NOT Unix. If you define Unix as anything inspired by, and compatible with the ATT code, then Linux IS Unix". guy Udi ÿÿ To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Outside of Israel job offers? (was: Re: OT: Job offer in California)
Is this list the proper forum for offers for jobs which can't be done in Israel and/or not related to Linux? I suggest that such job offers be banned from this mailing list. There are enough mailing lists and Usenet groups for job offers from California and other far and distant locations. I suggest that only ads about Linux-related jobs to be performed in Israel, and Linux-related freelance work to be performed in Israel (no matter where the company is located) be allowed in this mailing list. --- Omer "MS-Word keeps thinking it knows what I'm gonna do next and tries to help me. I've lived with my wife for 27 years and SHE can't do that. What makes MS-Word think it can?" Bill Mullins WARNING: By sending me unsolicited commercial/political/religious E-mail message/s (known also as "spam"), you irrevocably agree to pay me US$500.- (plus any legal expenses incurred by my trying to collect the amount due) per unsolicited commercial/political/religious E-mail message - for the service of receiving it. On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Aviram Jenik wrote: Since there's a wave of job offers, I'll throw in my own. This offer is from a very interesting company in California. The company is called 'MatchCraft' and the contact person is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'nuff said. Below the detailed descrption: Title: Object Oriented Software Engineer / Developer Skills: Java, Servlets, OO Design [... rest was snipped ...] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2nd message about this subject (was: Re: OT: Job offer in California)
First of all, I have no intention to flame Aviram Jenik. Actually he is doing us a service by forcing us to define and clarify the scope of on-topic subjects of the Linux-IL mailing list. I waited patiently as the job offers became less and less Linux related. Guy Keren's job offer in Kiryat Tivon had the word 'linux' in conjuction with system administration - is that all it takes for the message to be 'on topic'? I accept this as sufficient reason. As for the job's location (California) the owners are looking for ISRAELI people to go and work in California. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. They are not looking for US residents (well, they are, but they're doing it seperately). My opinion - advertise in Linux-IL only jobs in Israel. List rules: Please decide whether or not you allow job offers to be on the list. What does 'linux' have to do with any job offer? A linux job offer is okay? What about UNIX offers than? (they appeal to linux people, don't they?) what about webmasters offers? Hardware technician offers? C++ programmers? and the list is long. Let's draw the line at the appearance of the word "Linux". Any job having to do with a Linux platform and which needs some Linux familiarity is OK. This includes sysadmins, excludes Unix offers (if the company looks for Solaris people, let them advertise in the Solaris-IL mailing list; start it if it doesn't exist yet), includes Webmasters if they use software which runs under Linux (Apache, MySQL, Postgressql, etc.). Hardware technician job ads are inappropriate here. C++ programming is OK in my opinion, if the project in question has strong Linux ties (such as being based upon Qt or GTK). What I'm trying to say is, either block all job offers (I'll personally vote for that: There have been more job offers than on topic discussion lately, and they don't interest me one bit) or allow all job offers that are remotely related to linux. Now let's continue the discussion and formulate policy. --- Omer "MS-Word keeps thinking it knows what I'm gonna do next and tries to help me. I've lived with my wife for 27 years and SHE can't do that. What makes MS-Word think it can?" Bill Mullins WARNING: By sending me unsolicited commercial/political/religious E-mail message/s (known also as "spam"), you irrevocably agree to pay me US$500.- (plus any legal expenses incurred by my trying to collect the amount due) per unsolicited commercial/political/religious E-mail message - for the service of receiving it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Job offer in California
Since there's a wave of job offers, I'll throw in my own. I don't think that Linux jobs in Israel should not be offered in this list. Moreover, I can't understand the apologies, and the "off-topic" on the title of them; There is nothing more ON-topic then these offers: The list is to help Israeli Linux users, and there is nothing more helpful for them than Linux jobs in Israel. However, I think that a job offer, with no connection to Linux (I searched the message for "Linux" and found it only in the "To:" header, i.e. "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"), AND with no connection to Israel, is the most off-topic thing for this list. Conclusions: 1. Don't write "off-topic" when you post Linux job offers in Israel. It's wrong - these offers are ON-TOPIC, and welcome! 2. The last message was 200% off-topic, but I can understand the dynamic which led the poster to believe that it is not, so no reason to flame anybody, please... 3. Please post (monthly?) list rules (as already done in the past) and include the above conclusions (#1 and #2) in them. -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Job offer in California
I waited patiently as the job offers became less and less Linux related. Guy Keren's job offer in Kiryat Tivon had the word 'linux' in conjuction with system administration - is that all it takes for the message to be 'on topic'? As for the job's location (California) the owners are looking for ISRAELI people to go and work in California. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. They are not looking for US residents (well, they are, but they're doing it seperately). List rules: Please decide whether or not you allow job offers to be on the list. What does 'linux' have to do with any job offer? A linux job offer is okay? What about UNIX offers than? (they appeal to linux people, don't they?) what about webmasters offers? Hardware technician offers? C++ programmers? and the list is long. What I'm trying to say is, either block all job offers (I'll personally vote for that: There have been more job offers than on topic discussion lately, and they don't interest me one bit) or allow all job offers that are remotely related to linux. - Aviram Jenik "Addicted to Chaos" - Today's quote: If God, as some now say, is dead, He no doubt died of trying to find an equitable solution to the Arab-Jewish problem. - I. F. Stone, 1967 - Original Message - From: "Eli Marmor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "linux ILUG" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 11:19 AM Subject: Re: OT: Job offer in California Since there's a wave of job offers, I'll throw in my own. I don't think that Linux jobs in Israel should not be offered in this list. Moreover, I can't understand the apologies, and the "off-topic" on the title of them; There is nothing more ON-topic then these offers: The list is to help Israeli Linux users, and there is nothing more helpful for them than Linux jobs in Israel. However, I think that a job offer, with no connection to Linux (I searched the message for "Linux" and found it only in the "To:" header, i.e. "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"), AND with no connection to Israel, is the most off-topic thing for this list. Conclusions: 1. Don't write "off-topic" when you post Linux job offers in Israel. It's wrong - these offers are ON-TOPIC, and welcome! 2. The last message was 200% off-topic, but I can understand the dynamic which led the poster to believe that it is not, so no reason to flame anybody, please... 3. Please post (monthly?) list rules (as already done in the past) and include the above conclusions (#1 and #2) in them. -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Job offer in California
Aviram Jenik wrote: ... First thing, I want to say that there was no mean to offence you; To clarify it, I wrote that you were probably led to believe that such postings are OK, because the whole issue was not clear. This is also why I didn't mention your name in that message, and you must agree that it was written very politely. I also agree that the "rules" must be clear. I suggest the following rules: 1. Any job offer must have ANY connection to Linux. I would "accept" (sorry for this word; after all I'm not the "manager" of this list, but I couldn't find a better word) even a minimal reference to Linux, like "UNIX/Linux knowledge is required". Otherwise, it will be impossible to judge what is off-topic and what isn't. 2. The job must be either in Israel, or has very specific relations to Israel. I don't think that a need for Israelies to work in the valley is enough; On the other hand, if the need for Israelies is caused not because of their brain (kidding, kidding) but because of more serious skills (like Hebrew knowledge), I would accept it. But it is only my own humble opinion... -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Job offer in California
Hi, actually I think that it is very good that also such Job offers like the one in CA appear on the list ! Without it I would have never heard about it (or even dreamt of the possibilities) and since I will be needing a job in the future and prefer to work in these fields I very much would like to see the job offers. In any case they provide a good measure of commercial Linux activity in IL !!! Schlomo On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Aviram Jenik wrote: I waited patiently as the job offers became less and less Linux related. Guy Keren's job offer in Kiryat Tivon had the word 'linux' in conjuction with system administration - is that all it takes for the message to be 'on topic'? As for the job's location (California) the owners are looking for ISRAELI people to go and work in California. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. They are not looking for US residents (well, they are, but they're doing it seperately). List rules: Please decide whether or not you allow job offers to be on the list. What does 'linux' have to do with any job offer? A linux job offer is okay? What about UNIX offers than? (they appeal to linux people, don't they?) what about webmasters offers? Hardware technician offers? C++ programmers? and the list is long. What I'm trying to say is, either block all job offers (I'll personally vote for that: There have been more job offers than on topic discussion lately, and they don't interest me one bit) or allow all job offers that are remotely related to linux. - Aviram Jenik "Addicted to Chaos" - Today's quote: If God, as some now say, is dead, He no doubt died of trying to find an equitable solution to the Arab-Jewish problem. - I. F. Stone, 1967 - Original Message - From: "Eli Marmor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "linux ILUG" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 11:19 AM Subject: Re: OT: Job offer in California Since there's a wave of job offers, I'll throw in my own. I don't think that Linux jobs in Israel should not be offered in this list. Moreover, I can't understand the apologies, and the "off-topic" on the title of them; There is nothing more ON-topic then these offers: The list is to help Israeli Linux users, and there is nothing more helpful for them than Linux jobs in Israel. However, I think that a job offer, with no connection to Linux (I searched the message for "Linux" and found it only in the "To:" header, i.e. "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"), AND with no connection to Israel, is the most off-topic thing for this list. Conclusions: 1. Don't write "off-topic" when you post Linux job offers in Israel. It's wrong - these offers are ON-TOPIC, and welcome! 2. The last message was 200% off-topic, but I can understand the dynamic which led the poster to believe that it is not, so no reason to flame anybody, please... 3. Please post (monthly?) list rules (as already done in the past) and include the above conclusions (#1 and #2) in them. -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: job offer(s) in kiryat tivon
hi, on different bases then my usual line of thoughts. the (small - ~15 human beings) company i work for is looking for new employees for 2 types of positions - programmers and a part-time admin. one type is for software developers, profficient in C++ and C (perl and java are always a plus). the company does sub-contracting work for other companies, and these days happens to concentrate mainly on network management software and related products (GUI, servers, communications and infrastructure, etc). the work is done mostly in a unix environment, thought sometimes winX projects evolve as well. the other is a part-time work for a single person, that includes system administration/maintanance, help in configuration management for the software development projects, and various internal computation projects. this job is suiteable for a curious student, that has good skills in system administration (solaris/linux/sunos/winX), as well as in scripting languages (perl,sh,php,javascript, etc.). you may send resumes directly to my boss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), fax them in (fax no. 04-9836547), or if you feel like it, send them to me and i'll forward them on. if anyone wants any more details, you may e-mail me privatly. guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
