Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:16:59 -0500, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If you could beg / borrow / steal :-) another sound card just for temporary testing would be a logical next step. Finally gave up on Knoppix when the hard drive installed version wouldn't record at all ! (It didn't seem nearly as polished as SUSE either). Bought myself a soundblaster 4.1 card for £20 installed it this eveing reinstalled suse and Audacity seems to be working fine haven't recorded a full 30 mins yet, it's late I'm too tired but so far everything looks ok. Why didn't I buy this 3 weeks ago ! I will report back tomorrow when If tried a full album. Thanks for all your help. -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
Quoting Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm still a bit puzzled as to why you're looking at KNOPPIX as a replacement for SuSE. To me, that's like replacing your tennis racket with your golf clubs. They are just meant to do entirely different jobs. A more likely replacement for SuSE would be Red Hat (or Debian, Slackware, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc.). But the solving of the mysterious file size limit in SuSE is a dragon that needs slaying. Once that is done, everything will look different. My reason for considering an insall of Knoppix is that I am able to record wavs fine in it. The problem in SUSe is that the wav files are far too big I've watched them grow as they are recording and I'm up to 250mb in about 2 minutes. I've now spent about three weeks trying to fathom out why with no sucess I think I need either a new sound card of a different distro. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
Squabsy wrote: My reason for considering an insall of Knoppix is that I am able to record wavs fine in it. Understand. But Knoppix has no corner on that market. Any distro should be able to handle the job - including SuSE. If switching is indeed the solution, I'd go for something more targeted for the job (Red Hat, say). (Did you perchance note what modules Knoppix was loading vs. SuSE?) The problem in SUSe is that the wav files are far too big I've watched them grow as they are recording and I'm up to 250mb in about 2 minutes. Egad! In doing my church recordings lately, I've been able to keep an eye on it by observing that it figures out to slightly more than 10MB / minute. If you could beg / borrow / steal :-) another sound card just for temporary testing would be a logical next step. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
Could you explain a little more about what error message SuSE gives you when attempting the ESS1969? Try alsaconf from a Konsole window. That's what I do when I have difficulties with You can always try editing /etc/modules.conf manually. Find out what Knoppix uses for a module using lsmod and look for essomething... Then search through /etc/modules.conf for the current module SuSE uses. - Original Message - From: Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: Re: recording wavs (or aiffs) On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:05:47 -0500, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the cd version of KNOPPIX I use, I just right click on the pretty icon on the desk and tell it to remount as r/w. Yes that worked and I managed to record a 30 min plus wav file in Knoppix BRILLIANT ! It sounded a bit fuzzy but I think that was because the recording level was too high and the first five minutes were just white noise but then the music kicked in So I dont know what happened there. Whilst in Knoppix I noticed that it configured my sound card as an ess 1969 SUSE has iy as ESS 1368 and I get an error message if I try to reconfigure it. I don't really know why it worked in Knoppix and not SUSE or what to do next. I have only been on SUSE a couple of months and have a fairly basic set of applications so sitching to Knoppix would not be too painful Or I could parallel run although I'm running out of disk space. If the fact that I could record in Knoppix gives you anymore clues about what is wrong in SUSE I'd be interested to hear. Thanks for all your help in getting me this far -- Squabsy A little bit closer to switching off windows ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
Squabsy wrote: I have only been on SUSE a couple of months and have a fairly basic set of applications so sitching to Knoppix would not be too painful Or I could parallel run although I'm running out of disk space. I'm still a bit puzzled as to why you're looking at KNOPPIX as a replacement for SuSE. To me, that's like replacing your tennis racket with your golf clubs. They are just meant to do entirely different jobs. A more likely replacement for SuSE would be Red Hat (or Debian, Slackware, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc.). But the solving of the mysterious file size limit in SuSE is a dragon that needs slaying. Once that is done, everything will look different. Just some thoughts ... Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
Quoting Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should I need to do a HD install of knoppix to get it working ? No, although you will need to remount a partition read/write. Excuse me denseness but I tried last night to do this using various parameters with the mount command but failed miserably. the partition I would like to remount is on dev/hdb2 what should the command look like ? I also tried recording with sox in aiff format having read of other people having similar problems to me with wavs. But it still crashed out after about 7 mins and created a 2gb file with the file size exceeded error msg. I suppose I could try recording straight to a high quality ogg ? If I can get it to work succesfully in knoppix I will try a complete clean re-install of SUSE and then if it still doesn't work I may consider switching to knoppix permanently although as a linux newbie i'm a bit nervous about saying goodbye to YAST. Recording my albulms to CD is one of my prime useages for my pc -- Squabsy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:34:08 +0100 Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should I need to do a HD install of knoppix to get it working ? No, although you will need to remount a partition read/write. Excuse me denseness but I tried last night to do this using various parameters with the mount command but failed miserably. the partition I would like to remount is on dev/hdb2 what should the command look like ?mount try: mount -w /dev/hdb2 -o remount -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Collins Richey wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:34:08 +0100 Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should I need to do a HD install of knoppix to get it working ? No, although you will need to remount a partition read/write. Excuse me denseness but I tried last night to do this using various parameters with the mount command but failed miserably. the partition I would like to remount is on dev/hdb2 what should the command look like ?mount try: mount -w /dev/hdb2 -o remount DOes that actually work? It fails for me here, because there's no mount point sepcified. What works for me is: mount -o remount,rw mount_point Or you could just right click on the icon for the partition in KDE, and chose the remount option. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
Squabsy wrote: Quoting Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should I need to do a HD install of knoppix to get it working ? No, although you will need to remount a partition read/write. Excuse me denseness but I tried last night to do this using various parameters with the mount command but failed miserably. the partition I would like to remount is on dev/hdb2 what should the command look like ? On the cd version of KNOPPIX I use, I just right click on the pretty icon on the desk and tell it to remount as r/w. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs (or aiffs)
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 08:05:47 -0500, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the cd version of KNOPPIX I use, I just right click on the pretty icon on the desk and tell it to remount as r/w. Yes that worked and I managed to record a 30 min plus wav file in Knoppix BRILLIANT ! It sounded a bit fuzzy but I think that was because the recording level was too high and the first five minutes were just white noise but then the music kicked in So I dont know what happened there. Whilst in Knoppix I noticed that it configured my sound card as an ess 1969 SUSE has iy as ESS 1368 and I get an error message if I try to reconfigure it. I don't really know why it worked in Knoppix and not SUSE or what to do next. I have only been on SUSE a couple of months and have a fairly basic set of applications so sitching to Knoppix would not be too painful Or I could parallel run although I'm running out of disk space. If the fact that I could record in Knoppix gives you anymore clues about what is wrong in SUSE I'd be interested to hear. Thanks for all your help in getting me this far -- Squabsy A little bit closer to switching off windows ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:35:46 -0500, Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I propose yet another test. Use knoppix and try recording again. I am not ready to retire my col or SuSE systems but I kinda like the way knoppix works. Ha yes that's what I tried (it was also one of the reasons I started the knoppix vs Suse thread) as it is the easiest way for me to try another distro. However using either rec or wavr in knoppix I get no error messages but thet don't create a file either Should I need to do a HD install of knoppix to get it working ? p.s. Alma my filters for this list don't seem to pick your mails up -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:35:46 -0500, Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I propose yet another test. Use knoppix and try recording again. I am not ready to retire my col or SuSE systems but I kinda like the way knoppix works. Ha yes that's what I tried (it was also one of the reasons I started the knoppix vs Suse thread) as it is the easiest way for me to try another distro. However using either rec or wavr in knoppix I get no error messages but thet don't create a file either Should I need to do a HD install of knoppix to get it working ? No, although you will need to remount a partition read/write. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:20:08 +0100, Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: OK with ulimit -a I get [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) unlimited cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 2047 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ In a cynical attempt to get back to the top of the list I'm replying too my own post. I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. Appolgies for my persistance. -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Monday 29 September 2003 6:41 am, someone claiming to be Squabsy wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:20:08 +0100, Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: OK with ulimit -a I get [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) unlimited cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 2047 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ In a cynical attempt to get back to the top of the list I'm replying too my own post. I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. Appolgies for my persistance. $ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) 8192 cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 3071 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited You're limits don't look all that different from mine, 'cept you have unlimited stack size (lucky devil), so I don't think limits is your problem. I'd lean toward sound card driver issues. Do you have another sound card you could try? Regards, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-20.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 7:05am up 1 day, 23:29, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.24, 0.10 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 00:20:08 +0100, Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: OK with ulimit -a I get [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) unlimited cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 2047 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ In a cynical attempt to get back to the top of the list I'm replying too my own post. I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. They wouldn't. ulimit doesn't control max file size. That's basically a filesystem/glibc/kernel issue. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. It shouldn't. I still think something is either f00bar with your hardware, or SuSE. Unless you're really tied to your current install, you might want to try a different distro just to see if it makes a difference. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Squabsy wrote: I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I would propose a test: - Create or find a test file of about 1M bytes - Do this over and and over ... 'cat 1mfile bigfile.wav' and see if the problem can be reproduced as that file grows (and outside of sound card and recording software issues). Be sure to do it in the same user account, directory and partition as the recording. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. The wav file takes the same amount of space on Linux as it would on any other O/S - it's a relatively simple calculation of bits x channels x rate x time = file size. This will eventually turn out to be something simple (they always do) and you'll feel good for the experience of having persisted thru it ;-) Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:49:16 -0500 Squabsy wrote: I still don't understand why any of the above limits would create a problem when I'm trying to record a wav file that would be 500k at most. I would propose a test: - Create or find a test file of about 1M bytes - Do this over and and over ... 'cat 1mfile bigfile.wav' and see if the problem can be reproduced as that file grows (and outside of sound card and recording software issues). Be sure to do it in the same user account, directory and partition as the recording. I have updated to a newer Kernal but it doesn't seem to have made any differance. How would I go about increasing the file size limit ? Why does it need so much space to create a wav in linux. The wav file takes the same amount of space on Linux as it would on any other O/S - it's a relatively simple calculation of bits x channels x rate x time = file size. This will eventually turn out to be something simple (they always do) and you'll feel good for the experience of having persisted thru it ;-) I propose yet another test. Use knoppix and try recording again. I am not ready to retire my col or SuSE systems but I kinda like the way knoppix works. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On 26 Sep 2003 07:14:54 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Doesn't SuSE have a ulimit command? It can be used to get and set file size limits. OK with ulimit -a I get [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ulimit -a core file size(blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited file size (blocks, -f) unlimited max locked memory (kbytes, -l) unlimited max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited open files(-n) 1024 pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 stack size(kbytes, -s) unlimited cpu time (seconds, -t) unlimited max user processes(-u) 2047 virtual memory(kbytes, -v) unlimited [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:48:42 -0500, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Squabsy wrote: Yes I noticed that and was going to have a play with it myself. Can you set the bit rate and the hz from the command line ? Yes. It has several of the most common options. There is a companion 'play' command that takes the same options. The man page tells all. I recompiled 'sox' from source because the silly version that came with Red Hat didn't have mp3 support compiled-in. I used it last night to record a 40 min stereo wav. Came to 36.8MB and worked flawlessly. Then used 'sox testcd.wav testcd.mp3' to convert it to mp3. The conversion took forever (almost as long as the recording) but that's on this aged PII-233. The compression reduced it to 9% of original size. I love the fancy GUI tools like Audacity, but the CLI is just far more deterministic for things that need to be done right, and consistently and then I can even script and automate the conversion to mp3. Beats endless mouse clicking any day. The fact that Audacity natively uses its own file format doesn't help either. Michael I'm really stumped frustrated now. My PC is a similar spec to yours Michael (but with a K6 processor) but my recording, even using this sox rec, still hangs after 7 mins and creates a 2gb wav file with 7 mins of music then 100 (approx) mins of d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d I was beginning to accept that it might be a ram issue but you only have 256m like me. Disk space seems irrelevant also as it does the same on all my partitions however much/little is free. using a different window manager made only a marginal diff (a few extra seconds at most) I can therefore record an album one track at a time (unless it's Pink Floyd :-) with an 8 min freak out ) but I would like to be able to leave it running for a whole side then come back and slice it up. There must somewhere be an option or setting that I have set incorrectly but I'm blowed if I know what it is -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:53:08 -0500, Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Squabsy wrote: ... or is there a Linux program that writes straight to disk ? I've been working this afternoon with the 'sox' package from http://sox.sourceforge.net/. It comes with a utility called 'rec' that is about the simplest recorder ever. It's a CLI tool, give it a command like ... $ rec -c 2 -d /dev/dsp test.wav That's two channels (stereo) to record from the dsp device to test.wav. It does indeed record the wav directly to disk. And it uses a steady 5 - 10% of cpu in the process instead of Audacity's 85-95% (this on my PII-233) so there is less chance of pops or such if the thing doesn't keep up. This is about as lean 'n mean as it gets. Yes I noticed that and was going to have a play with it myself. Can you set the bit rate and the hz from the command line ? -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Squabsy wrote: Yes I noticed that and was going to have a play with it myself. Can you set the bit rate and the hz from the command line ? Yes. It has several of the most common options. There is a companion 'play' command that takes the same options. The man page tells all. I recompiled 'sox' from source because the silly version that came with Red Hat didn't have mp3 support compiled-in. I used it last night to record a 40 min stereo wav. Came to 36.8MB and worked flawlessly. Then used 'sox testcd.wav testcd.mp3' to convert it to mp3. The conversion took forever (almost as long as the recording) but that's on this aged PII-233. The compression reduced it to 9% of original size. I love the fancy GUI tools like Audacity, but the CLI is just far more deterministic for things that need to be done right, and consistently and then I can even script and automate the conversion to mp3. Beats endless mouse clicking any day. The fact that Audacity natively uses its own file format doesn't help either. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On 18 Sep 2003 17:54:58 -0400, burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 16:44, Net Llama! wrote: yes, that's the load at the instant that you ran the command. were you attempting to encode a wav when you ran that? if so, then the load appears to be fine. you might want to just run 'top' the entire time to see what is going on across the board (cpu, memory, load). It is at all possible that this is a memory issue? With a file that big, if your audio application tries to fit it all in memory, and you only have 256MB and a correspondingly small swap file, then it may be running out and truncating the file. I know with graphics files this can happen... just a thought, YMMV Having spent the weekend playing around with it and using TOP to see what's going on I have come to the conclusion that all the Linux softwares I have been trying are indeed storing the file up in RAM then in my swap partition then hanging when it gets full. The Windows software I use on the other hand (CDWAVE) writes the file straight to disk with no temporary files. I have 256k ram and a swap partition of 512mb I can't seem to be able to (nor do I think it's a particularly good idea) increase the size of my swap partition. Is the only way I can have more success then increase the RAM ? or is there a Linux program that writes straight to disk ? Even if I click the straight to disk option in audacity it still fills my ram/swap partition -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 04:33, Squabsy wrote: Having spent the weekend playing around with it and using TOP to see what's going on I have come to the conclusion that all the Linux softwares I have been trying are indeed storing the file up in RAM then in my swap partition then hanging when it gets full. The Windows software I use on the other hand (CDWAVE) writes the file straight to disk with no temporary files. Bummer. This is what I feared. I have 256k ram and a swap partition of 512mb I can't seem to be able to (nor do I think it's a particularly good idea) increase the size of my swap partition. Is the only way I can have more success then increase the RAM ? or is there a Linux program that writes straight to disk ? Even if I click the straight to disk option in audacity it still fills my ram/swap partition Some (most?) Linux applications will grab and hold large amounts of memory, whether or mot they are actually using it (watch Mozilla, or worse yet, Star Office launch some time). In this case, however, it certainly sounds like the system is running out of memory and swap, then hanging. This makes sense given the size of the files you are working with. You can resize your swap file (See the Step at http://sxs.sourceforge.net/sxs/index2.html). But no-one likes to work with files that size out of swap. It takes forever while your hard disk is thrashing itself silly. If it were me, I'd opt for more physical RAM - it's fairly inexpensive at the moment. I believe you are in the UK? Where? I lived there for four years, from 93-97. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 06:00, Squabsy wrote: Yes indeed I'm in Sunny :-D Bournemouth on the south coast. For 36 years (I haven't roamed very far I'm afraid) I lived in Northwood, about 6 miles from Watford. The village is split. Half is in the Hillingdon borough of Greater London. The other half is in Hertfordshire. We lived on the Herts side. I enjoyed living in the UK. Wouldn't mind going back some day for a visit. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On 22 Sep 2003 06:35:15 -0400, burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 06:00, Squabsy wrote: Yes indeed I'm in Sunny :-D Bournemouth on the south coast. For 36 years (I haven't roamed very far I'm afraid) I lived in Northwood, about 6 miles from Watford. The village is split. Half is in the Hillingdon borough of Greater London. The other half is in Hertfordshire. We lived on the Herts side. I enjoyed living in the UK. Wouldn't mind going back some day for a visit. Where are you now ? I don't know anyone else using Linux even some of my techie IT collegues at work. So this list is proving very informative. Each little problem is an enjoyable if sometimes frustrating learning experiance. In terms of RAM I currently have 256mb on 2 128 chips and a 512 swap How much more ram would you recommend ? I seem to remember that someone advised that max swap should be double your ram. I think the recordings I have made get more glichy once the ram run's out and the SWAP kicks in. By changing to 16bit I have managed about 7 mins recording so far before it goes du-du-du-du-du-du-du Recording wavs is really the only major problem I'm having with Linux so I don't want to spend too much. I suppose I could replace one of the 128's with a 256 for about £30 that would take me up to 384. My objective is (still) a 30 min 16bit stereo wav at 44100hz Are there no progs that can write direct to disk for linux then ? (note :must change my sig to reflect my linux interests) -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:11:25 +0100 Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In terms of RAM I currently have 256mb on 2 128 chips and a 512 swap How much more ram would you recommend ? I seem to remember that someone advised that max swap should be double your ram. I think the recordings I have made get more glichy once the ram run's out and the SWAP kicks in. By changing to 16bit I have managed about 7 mins recording so far before it goes du-du-du-du-du-du-du Recording wavs is really the only major problem I'm having with Linux so I don't want to spend too much. I suppose I could replace one of the 128's with a 256 for about £30 that would take me up to 384. My objective is (still) a 30 min 16bit stereo wav at 44100hz I've missed the earlier part of this discussion, but have you considered CPU speed? In general, 256M with a 512M swap should be good for most things linux, but I've found fewer problems since I moved to a machine with 512M ram. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Squabsy wrote: Having spent the weekend playing around with it and using TOP to see what's going on I have come to the conclusion that all the Linux softwares I have been trying are indeed storing the file up in RAM then in my swap partition then hanging when it gets full. The Windows software I use on the other hand (CDWAVE) writes the file straight to disk with no temporary files. I have 256k ram and a swap partition of 512mb I can't seem to be able to (nor do I think it's a particularly good idea) increase the size of my swap partition. Is the only way I can have more success then increase the RAM ? or is there a Linux program that writes straight to disk ? Even if I click the straight to disk option in audacity it still fills my ram/swap partition What version of Audacity are you using? Last night at church, as a trial run, I recorded our entire service (16-bit stereo 44100 Hz). The resulting aup files came to 733.5MB for about 1 hour 12 minutes of audio. The exported WAV is 716.6MB. I'm using Audacity 1.2.0-pre1. I tried the stable binaries but never could get them to run on any of my Red Hat 9 boxes after a few hours burnt attempting (in futility) to resolve dependency problems. Anyway, I downloaded and compiled the Audacity and wxWindows sources and it runs great, tho some features don't yet work. I have 256M in this PII-233 box. While the recording was taking place, memory usage stayed at 250M with a small slice of swap being used. It never increased. (I'm running this in the latest version of apt-get kde-redhat, oink, oink). Audacity says it's storing its temporary files in /tmp/audacity1.2-username per File - Preferences - Directories. And it can presumably be changed to anyplace you have sufficient space. On the screen it was telling me that I had up to something like 4.5 hours of recording time available which works out to about the amount of disk space available in the / partition (2.5GB) per the above file sizes. I too would prefer some lean-and-mean app that would just record the audio straight to disk as a WAV and then later pull it into something sophisticated like Audacity for manipulation. I'm still looking, but Audacity actually seems to work pretty well. Hope this helps, Michael Hipp ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Squabsy wrote: ... or is there a Linux program that writes straight to disk ? I've been working this afternoon with the 'sox' package from http://sox.sourceforge.net/. It comes with a utility called 'rec' that is about the simplest recorder ever. It's a CLI tool, give it a command like ... $ rec -c 2 -d /dev/dsp test.wav That's two channels (stereo) to record from the dsp device to test.wav. It does indeed record the wav directly to disk. And it uses a steady 5 - 10% of cpu in the process instead of Audacity's 85-95% (this on my PII-233) so there is less chance of pops or such if the thing doesn't keep up. This is about as lean 'n mean as it gets. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:11:01 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I've always been under the impression that there wasn't any real audible difference between 8-bit audio and 16-bit. Time for some experimentation... What is the bit rate on Super Audio CDs (SACD)? They are supposed to have all that depth of sound that CDs lost and vinyl had. I have a player, but no SACDs, so I cannot yet see if I agree with the claim. They are not so common here in Sweden (yet, I hope). -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:11:01 -0400, Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Really? I've always been under the impression that there wasn't any real audible difference between 8-bit audio and 16-bit. Time for some experimentation... Having read all the comments over the last few days I went in and had another play last night A few extra things I've noticed In Gnome the sound server is not set to start at boot up. my gnome sound recorder does not seem to have the same menu as all yours I only have File, Control and help on my menu so I have no way into the preferances. IN KDE In QA record I could not see any option to switch between 32/16/8 bit so couldn't expreiment with that. I tried killing arts but it did not seem to help. In Gramofile there does not seem to be any way to alter the type of file. I also tried re-congiguring my soundcard with ALSA Having played with the above settings and tried saving to different drives I am still getting 1.39 minutes of recording then a lot of stutters as the program hangs. Every WAV file I create no matter which software I use is exactly the same file size 1.09gb and the wav headers always say it is 100 minutes long. Someone on the opera linux forum has posted a script he/she uses for recording from the command line I may try that next. Any Other Hints ? Thanks again -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: Having played with the above settings and tried saving to different drives I am still getting 1.39 minutes of recording then a lot of stutters as the program hangs. Every WAV file I create no matter which software I use is exactly the same file size 1.09gb and the wav headers always say it is 100 minutes long. What is the load on the box when this is happening? You really need to take a snapshot of the system behavior while this is happening. You could also consider using a different window manager. I wouldnt' be at all surprised if this was induced by some bug in Gnome or KDE. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:25:58 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What is the load on the box when this is happening? You really need to take a snapshot of the system behavior while this is happening. You could also consider using a different window manager. I wouldn't' be at all surprised if this was induced by some bug in Gnome or KDE. Ok Thanks I think you gave me the command to see the load in an earlier post I'll try later. I'll also try in a different Windows manager I have a couple of more minimalistic ones on my system I think. -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wednesday 17 September 2003 10:49 pm, someone claiming to be Matthew Carpenter wrote: 11 bit is used for a lot of voice. 16 bit is the accepted standard for music... some stereophiles love 24bit, and 32bit just seems a little like overkill. snip A little googling found this link: http://www.arboretum.com/support/manuals/manual_he/Files/hppc_digital_audio.html wherein it explains bit rates and sampling rates. It seems 16-bit is the accepted standard for audio. This explains the seeming lack of quality of my recent .WAV recordings. I chalked the problem up to old, deterioted vinyl. Thanks, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 9:25am up 26 days, 15:18, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.39, 0.53 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This explains the seeming lack of quality of my recent .WAV recordings. I chalked the problem up to old, deterioted vinyl. Count yourself lucky at least they are longer than 1.39 mins !!! :-) I was looking at some cd's at lunchtime and they were old stuff that had been re-released on CD and the label on them said digitally remastered in 24 bit digital quality I wonder if any of us could tell the difference ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:25:58 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: Having played with the above settings and tried saving to different drives I am still getting 1.39 minutes of recording then a lot of stutters as the program hangs. Every WAV file I create no matter which software I use is exactly the same file size 1.09gb and the wav headers always say it is 100 minutes long. What is the load on the box when this is happening? You really need to take a snapshot of the system behavior while this is happening. Is this what you mean 9:33pm up 0:30, 3 users, load average: 0.37, 0.67, 0.66 -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:25:58 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: Having played with the above settings and tried saving to different drives I am still getting 1.39 minutes of recording then a lot of stutters as the program hangs. Every WAV file I create no matter which software I use is exactly the same file size 1.09gb and the wav headers always say it is 100 minutes long. What is the load on the box when this is happening? You really need to take a snapshot of the system behavior while this is happening. Is this what you mean 9:33pm up 0:30, 3 users, load average: 0.37, 0.67, 0.66 yes, that's the load at the instant that you ran the command. were you attempting to encode a wav when you ran that? if so, then the load appears to be fine. you might want to just run 'top' the entire time to see what is going on across the board (cpu, memory, load). -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 16:44, Net Llama! wrote: yes, that's the load at the instant that you ran the command. were you attempting to encode a wav when you ran that? if so, then the load appears to be fine. you might want to just run 'top' the entire time to see what is going on across the board (cpu, memory, load). It is at all possible that this is a memory issue? With a file that big, if your audio application tries to fit it all in memory, and you only have 256MB and a correspondingly small swap file, then it may be running out and truncating the file. I know with graphics files this can happen... just a thought, YMMV -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:25:38 -0400, Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: FWIW, 20 minutes of 44.1KHz 8-bit stereo recorded from vinyl takes up about 200 MB of space on my ext3 filesystem. RHL 8.0 on an 1GHz Duron with 384MB RAM. And yes, that /windows/C drive looks mighty full. I don't believe the problem lies with the K6 processor, although it's been a while since I recorded audio from the line in on a K6...bit rate might be a reasonable culprit, but *something* is amiss here. The plot thickens, indeed. Could it be a soundcard module problem? Thank you all for your patience and advice. The c:\ drive is very full mostly due to my children installing The SIMS in all its expansion pack glory. The D:\ drive is shared between Windows Linux for files it also had a complete copy of my c:\drive on it which I created before building my Linux partition in cases anything went wrong. I deleted that after my mail last night. I have tried writing the wav's to both d:\ and to my Linux partition and there are 2 or 3 1.gb Wavs still on these drives. Your estimate of space ties up with my expectations based on the same sort of operation in Windows. I notice that you state 8 bit I may well have mine set at 16 or even 32bit (can't check till this evening) Is 8 bit adequate ? Could using a higher bit rate be causing my problems ? How could I establish if my soundcard is the problem ? Could I just also say that this is the first question I have asked on this list (or any Linux list for that matter) and I was worried about being flamed for asking a newbie question having heard that some Linux lists don't suffer fools gladly. But in contrast to my fears you have all been extremely patient and helpful Thank you and if it's Ok I will keep you appraised of my progress. -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:12:07 +0100 Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: I notice that you state 8 bit I may well have mine set at 16 or even 32bit (can't check till this evening) Is 8 bit adequate For voice quaility 8bit is just fine. For music, no way. 16bit, per channel at 44K/sec adds up pretty fast though, 1.4K/sec Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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11 bit is used for a lot of voice. 16 bit is the accepted standard for music... some stereophiles love 24bit, and 32bit just seems a little like overkill. On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:12:07 +0100 Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:25:38 -0400, Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: FWIW, 20 minutes of 44.1KHz 8-bit stereo recorded from vinyl takes up about 200 MB of space on my ext3 filesystem. RHL 8.0 on an 1GHz Duron with 384MB RAM. And yes, that /windows/C drive looks mighty full. I don't believe the problem lies with the K6 processor, although it's been a while since I recorded audio from the line in on a K6...bit rate might be a reasonable culprit, but *something* is amiss here. The plot thickens, indeed. Could it be a soundcard module problem? Thank you all for your patience and advice. The c:\ drive is very full mostly due to my children installing The SIMS in all its expansion pack glory. The D:\ drive is shared between Windows Linux for files it also had a complete copy of my c:\drive on it which I created before building my Linux partition in cases anything went wrong. I deleted that after my mail last night. I have tried writing the wav's to both d:\ and to my Linux partition and there are 2 or 3 1.gb Wavs still on these drives. Your estimate of space ties up with my expectations based on the same sort of operation in Windows. I notice that you state 8 bit I may well have mine set at 16 or even 32bit (can't check till this evening) Is 8 bit adequate ? Could using a higher bit rate be causing my problems ? How could I establish if my soundcard is the problem ? Could I just also say that this is the first question I have asked on this list (or any Linux list for that matter) and I was worried about being flamed for asking a newbie question having heard that some Linux lists don't suffer fools gladly. But in contrast to my fears you have all been extremely patient and helpful Thank you and if it's Ok I will keep you appraised of my progress. -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Server Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Really? I've always been under the impression that there wasn't any real audible difference between 8-bit audio and 16-bit. Time for some experimentation... Tim On Wednesday 17 September 2003 10:49 pm, someone claiming to be Matthew Carpenter wrote: 11 bit is used for a lot of voice. 16 bit is the accepted standard for music... some stereophiles love 24bit, and 32bit just seems a little like overkill. On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:12:07 +0100 Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:25:38 -0400, Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: FWIW, 20 minutes of 44.1KHz 8-bit stereo recorded from vinyl takes up about 200 MB of space on my ext3 filesystem. RHL 8.0 on an 1GHz Duron with 384MB RAM. And yes, that /windows/C drive looks mighty full. I don't believe the problem lies with the K6 processor, although it's been a while since I recorded audio from the line in on a K6...bit rate might be a reasonable culprit, but *something* is amiss here. The plot thickens, indeed. Could it be a soundcard module problem? Thank you all for your patience and advice. The c:\ drive is very full mostly due to my children installing The SIMS in all its expansion pack glory. The D:\ drive is shared between Windows Linux for files it also had a complete copy of my c:\drive on it which I created before building my Linux partition in cases anything went wrong. I deleted that after my mail last night. I have tried writing the wav's to both d:\ and to my Linux partition and there are 2 or 3 1.gb Wavs still on these drives. Your estimate of space ties up with my expectations based on the same sort of operation in Windows. I notice that you state 8 bit I may well have mine set at 16 or even 32bit (can't check till this evening) Is 8 bit adequate ? Could using a higher bit rate be causing my problems ? How could I establish if my soundcard is the problem ? Could I just also say that this is the first question I have asked on this list (or any Linux list for that matter) and I was worried about being flamed for asking a newbie question having heard that some Linux lists don't suffer fools gladly. But in contrast to my fears you have all been extremely patient and helpful Thank you and if it's Ok I will keep you appraised of my progress. -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 1:05am up 26 days, 6:58, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.11, 0.04 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoting Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are you running artsd? If so (Ctrl-Esc brings up Process Manager in KDE) try killing it before starting Audacity. I do not claim to be an expert on aRTs, but I believe it puts hooks into the ALSA system and isn't necessary... and has caused trouble for me recording in the past. Just tried that It didn't seem to help ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoting Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hardware problem? What are your hardware specs (CPU, RAM, HD) etc? What do you think would be a reasonable MINIMUM spec for recording a 30 min wav in linux ? My machine copes with it fine in Windows 98se -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A timer? gnome-sound-recorder has a recording timeout as a preference, could be what you're running into I don't seem to have a version of g-s-r with the edit command that is described in the manual I'll have to try and find a more up to date build. Are there any other settings in my system set-up that I might need to tweak. I currently altenate between gnome KDE so help in either would be appreciated. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:22:20 +0100, Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or partition space in any temporary storage location that Audacity (or gnome-sound-recorder, or gramophile) would be using. How would I check this please ? By entering df -h at a command-line (minus the quotes). HTH -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware-9.1pre + IceWM-1.2.12 + Sylpheed-0.9.4 -- Alberta Mirror Linux-SxS.org http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:28:32 +0100, Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hardware problem? What are your hardware specs (CPU, RAM, HD) etc? What do you think would be a reasonable MINIMUM spec for recording a 30 min wav in linux ? My machine copes with it fine in Windows 98se AFAIK the only real limiting factor might be disk space, I've done it on a P133 with 64 MB RAM in the past. It took a bit longer than with my current systems but it did work. See my last post on this thread for the command to check disk space. HTH -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware-9.1pre + IceWM-1.2.12 + Sylpheed-0.9.4 -- Alberta Mirror Linux-SxS.org http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Tuesday 16 September 2003 4:26 am, someone claiming to be Squabsy wrote: Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A timer? gnome-sound-recorder has a recording timeout as a preference, could be what you're running into I don't seem to have a version of g-s-r with the edit command that is described in the manual I'll have to try and find a more up to date build. Are there any other settings in my system set-up that I might need to tweak. I currently altenate between gnome KDE so help in either would be appreciated. Edit-Preferences should bring up a window with 4 tabs (it does on the gnome 2.0 version of gnome-sound-recorder. Under Recording tab is the Timeout, under the Paths tab is the specification for the temporary folder. HTH, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 6:50am up 24 days, 12:43, 4 users, load average: 1.51, 1.24, 1.08 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or partition space in any temporary storage location that Audacity (or gnome-sound-recorder, or gramophile) would be using. How would I check this please ? df -h i'd also be really curious what the load is on you box while its encoding (uptime output). -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:57:35 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'd also be really curious what the load is on you box while its encoding (uptime output). OK Thank you all for all you tips help. I will have another play either tonight or tomorrow evening and let you know how I get on. If anyone else thinks of anything else to check let me know. I'm looking forward a bit more optimistically now to my first Vinyl to CD success in Linux -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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df - Original Message - From: Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:22 AM Subject: Re: recording wavs Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or partition space in any temporary storage location that Audacity (or gnome-sound-recorder, or gramophile) would be using. How would I check this please ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:57:35 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or partition space in any temporary storage location that Audacity (or gnome-sound-recorder, or gramophile) would be using. How would I check this please ? df -h i'd also be really curious what the load is on you box while its encoding (uptime output). OK FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb6 8.8G 4.9G 3.9G 56% / /dev/hda1 6.0G 5.6G 436M 93% /windows/C /dev/hdb1 20G 13G 7.2G 64% /windows/D shmfs 125M 0 125M 0% /dev/shm I've got 256mb of Ram and an amd k6 processor I've also just noticed that the wavs I'm creating are over 1gb for just few minutes of music (but xmms shows them all asbeing exactly 100 mins long The PLot thickens -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:57:35 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or partition space in any temporary storage location that Audacity (or gnome-sound-recorder, or gramophile) would be using. How would I check this please ? df -h i'd also be really curious what the load is on you box while its encoding (uptime output). OK FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb6 8.8G 4.9G 3.9G 56% / /dev/hda1 6.0G 5.6G 436M 93% /windows/C /dev/hdb1 20G 13G 7.2G 64% /windows/D shmfs 125M 0 125M 0% /dev/shm I've got 256mb of Ram and an amd k6 processor I've also just noticed that the wavs I'm creating are over 1gb for just few minutes of music (but xmms shows them all asbeing exactly 100 mins long where are you attempting to write them? You dont' seem to have very much free space on any of your partitions, especially hda1. What bitrate/frequency are you using to create the wavs? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 6:41 pm, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:57:35 -0400 (EDT), Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or partition space in any temporary storage location that Audacity (or gnome-sound-recorder, or gramophile) would be using. How would I check this please ? df -h i'd also be really curious what the load is on you box while its encoding (uptime output). OK FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb6 8.8G 4.9G 3.9G 56% / /dev/hda1 6.0G 5.6G 436M 93% /windows/C /dev/hdb1 20G 13G 7.2G 64% /windows/D shmfs 125M 0 125M 0% /dev/shm I've got 256mb of Ram and an amd k6 processor I've also just noticed that the wavs I'm creating are over 1gb for just few minutes of music (but xmms shows them all asbeing exactly 100 mins long where are you attempting to write them? You dont' seem to have very much free space on any of your partitions, especially hda1. What bitrate/frequency are you using to create the wavs? FWIW, 20 minutes of 44.1KHz 8-bit stereo recorded from vinyl takes up about 200 MB of space on my ext3 filesystem. RHL 8.0 on an 1GHz Duron with 384MB RAM. And yes, that /windows/C drive looks mighty full. I don't believe the problem lies with the K6 processor, although it's been a while since I recorded audio from the line in on a K6...bit rate might be a reasonable culprit, but *something* is amiss here. The plot thickens, indeed. Could it be a soundcard module problem? Regards, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 10:15pm up 25 days, 4:08, 2 users, load average: 0.35, 0.14, 0.05 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Quoting Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Running out of disk space or memory perhaps? Do you end up with a file? I do end up with a file that is as long as however long I leave Audacity recording for but after 1.39 mins it just repeats the same millisecond of music over over. Gramofile actually stops recording at 1.39 mins and creates a file of that length. Hardware problem? What are your hardware specs (CPU, RAM, HD) etc? I'm not at home so will check exact figures later but I have 256mb of ram and about 8gb linux partition the CPU is a 750mhz Athalon I'll check exact figures tonight -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Quoting Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sunday 14 September 2003 6:20 pm, someone claiming to be Squabsy wrote: I am he A timer? gnome-sound-recorder has a recording timeout as a preference, could be what you're running into I did try g-s-r once so maybe I invoked the timer I will have a look tonight In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Dunno qarecord, I use gnome-sound-recorder to record the .WAV. I set the timeout for 20-some minutes (long enough to record the side), then let it run... If you're restoring vinyl, I HIGHLY recommend the Gnome-Wave-Cleaner, http://gwc.sf.net. A fantastic program that will dnoise and de-click .WAVs recorded from vinyl. Excellent thanks once I've sorted my other problem I will try it out. -- Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
I am using SuSE 8.2 and the included Audacity, and have been recording, cutting, and burning audio CD's for quite some time now. I do at least one session per week, more like 2 or 3. I don't know what might be causing the hang, unless you have an awful sound card or something, If the same time hangs both progs, look deeper, like sound card or irq settings, or hard drive space, etc Good luck! - Original Message - From: Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: recording wavs I'm trying to move from windows over to Linux I'm running suse 8.2 Most things I could do in Windows I am able to do in Linux however I am strugling with my ongoing project to burn my old Vinyl collection to CD. In window I used CDwave to record and split the wavs In LInux I have so far tried to do the same in Audacity, Gramofile and qarecord. In both Audacity and Gramofile everytime I try to record the program hangs after exactly 1 minute and 39.58.550 seconds everytime Why would this be ? In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Any help with either of the above problems would be very much appreciated and speed me ditching windows for good. -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
Are you running artsd? If so (Ctrl-Esc brings up Process Manager in KDE) try killing it before starting Audacity. I do not claim to be an expert on aRTs, but I believe it puts hooks into the ALSA system and isn't necessary... and has caused trouble for me recording in the past. - Original Message - From: Squabsy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: recording wavs I'm trying to move from windows over to Linux I'm running suse 8.2 Most things I could do in Windows I am able to do in Linux however I am strugling with my ongoing project to burn my old Vinyl collection to CD. In window I used CDwave to record and split the wavs In LInux I have so far tried to do the same in Audacity, Gramofile and qarecord. In both Audacity and Gramofile everytime I try to record the program hangs after exactly 1 minute and 39.58.550 seconds everytime Why would this be ? In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Any help with either of the above problems would be very much appreciated and speed me ditching windows for good. -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On 9/15/2003 12:58 PM, someone claiming to be Matthew Carpenter wrote: I am using SuSE 8.2 and the included Audacity, and have been recording, cutting, and burning audio CD's for quite some time now. I do at least one session per week, more like 2 or 3. I don't know what might be causing the hang, unless you have an awful sound card or something, If the same time hangs both progs, look deeper, like sound card or irq settings, or hard drive space, etc Or partition space in any temporary storage location that Audacity (or gnome-sound-recorder, or gramophile) would be using. Tim snip ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 19:01, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Are you running artsd? If so (Ctrl-Esc brings up Process Manager in KDE) Hot damn! I need to learn these sequences! Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stockholm, Sweden http://www.surbrunn.net ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
recording wavs
I'm trying to move from windows over to Linux I'm running suse 8.2 Most things I could do in Windows I am able to do in Linux however I am strugling with my ongoing project to burn my old Vinyl collection to CD. In window I used CDwave to record and split the wavs In LInux I have so far tried to do the same in Audacity, Gramofile and qarecord. In both Audacity and Gramofile everytime I try to record the program hangs after exactly 1 minute and 39.58.550 seconds everytime Why would this be ? In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Any help with either of the above problems would be very much appreciated and speed me ditching windows for good. -- Squabsy The List Crawler Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On 09/14/03 15:20, Squabsy wrote: I'm trying to move from windows over to Linux I'm running suse 8.2 Most things I could do in Windows I am able to do in Linux however I am strugling with my ongoing project to burn my old Vinyl collection to CD. In window I used CDwave to record and split the wavs In LInux I have so far tried to do the same in Audacity, Gramofile and qarecord. In both Audacity and Gramofile everytime I try to record the program hangs after exactly 1 minute and 39.58.550 seconds everytime Why would this be ? Running out of disk space or memory perhaps? Do you end up with a file? In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Hardware problem? What are your hardware specs (CPU, RAM, HD) etc? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 3:45pm up 1 day, 22:13, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: recording wavs
On Sunday 14 September 2003 6:20 pm, someone claiming to be Squabsy wrote: I'm trying to move from windows over to Linux I'm running suse 8.2 Most things I could do in Windows I am able to do in Linux however I am strugling with my ongoing project to burn my old Vinyl collection to CD. In window I used CDwave to record and split the wavs In LInux I have so far tried to do the same in Audacity, Gramofile and qarecord. In both Audacity and Gramofile everytime I try to record the program hangs after exactly 1 minute and 39.58.550 seconds everytime Why would this be ? A timer? gnome-sound-recorder has a recording timeout as a preference, could be what you're running into In qarecord the wav records the whole side on an albulm but there are lots of bits of lost data. Dunno qarecord, I use gnome-sound-recorder to record the .WAV. I set the timeout for 20-some minutes (long enough to record the side), then let it run... Any help with either of the above problems would be very much appreciated and speed me ditching windows for good. If you're restoring vinyl, I HIGHLY recommend the Gnome-Wave-Cleaner, http://gwc.sf.net. A fantastic program that will dnoise and de-click .WAVs recorded from vinyl. HTH, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 12:45am up 23 days, 6:39, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
