[LUAU] Ben?

[R. Scott Belford]

Anyone know anything about Ben Timmerman? He has a long presence in Hawaii
and on the various iterations of this 'mailing list.' His hawaii.edu
address is no longer working, and I am worried about him.

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Re: [LUAU] Who runs this list?

[R. Scott Belford]

Vince Hoang dumped the data from the legacy LUAU list and established this
list on this domain that I presume he keeps up with. People still subscribe
to the "legacy" list.

Have Fun

--scott

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> > send a subscription request?
> >
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Re: [LUAU] Anyone got suggestions on low latency to the mainland ISP's

[R. Scott Belford]

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 9:34 PM, 808blogger 808blog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lava.net is currently using QWEST and TWTC: (lava.net was purchased by
 Tri-net solutions and is still 100% locally owned)

 http://bgp.he.net/AS18612

 latency from lava.net core to mainland is 60ms .
 the physical distance adds (about)50ms no matter what.


Kudos to you guys at Tri-Net for buying LavaNet and keeping up the quality.
I'm glad it stayed in local hands, I wish you continued success with a
really great brand. Some great folks were behind its creation, and I hope
the name continues to exist with the expected QOS, Sean.

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF Mirror down?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote:

 I've also noticed that a few times in the past couple of weeks when trying
 to pull various distros.  Each attempt from outside of UH.  The HOSEF
 mirror is something I really appreciate having access to.

 Sincerely,
 -Jeff Mings


Having received a notice from Ubuntu, I let Kevin know.* *I think that
whoever is maintaining the mirror is aware and fixing it. Something about a
Cron job gone bad. Sorry I cannot get it solved for you as quickly as I
choose to operate.

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF Mirror down?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote:

 Might want to think about moving to the new mirror at
 mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu

 Brian Chee


Are you folks no longer resolving requests for mirror.hosef.org on your
mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu box? If not, then we need either to resolve these
requests, or remove the hosef mirror domain from the public listings. Let
me know what you do; many schools update from mirror.hosef.org.

If the HOSEF box I used to manage is offline, presumably, then is there a
plan for that hardware?

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF Mirror down?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Julian Yap julianok...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 The mirror is now at:
 http://mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu/

 Please update your bookmarks.

 The web site is something I quickly put up to make it more user
 friendly but feel free to fork it on GitHub to make improvements:
 https://github.com/jyap808/mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu_website

 I wasn't a part of the whole transition plan (or lack thereof) from
 the HOSEF domain so I can't comment on that.


Any reason why the new mirror and its maintainers don't want to resolve
mirror.hosef.org? I can point the cname to the folks at OSUOSL (don't they
have the largest mirror?), but a lot of schools on Oahu are setup to use
mirror.hosef.org. It would be a shame to resolve and serve them off island.

If you are not, then just confirm and I'll do what I can for those in need.


 Thanks,
 Julian


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[LUAU] A Clown Needing a Conversion

[R. Scott Belford]

Greetings,

I received an email from a friend concerned about his Unicycle riding Vista
using friend with a dodgy laptop. He is in Honolulu as part of a worldwide
tour, and his laptop has become too unusable. His friend, and first line of
support, is in Spain and has asked if anyone could help. I forward his
humble request in hopes that someone will assist him. If I can do anything
to encourage this, then please let me know.  --scott


Hi Hosef:
   I'm writing you from Spain; a friend of mine, Alvaro (aka Biciclown) is
cycling around the world since 2004 (check http://www.biciclown.com ) with
a unique purpose: Make Children laugh, wherever they are ;

Now he is at Hawaii, and he has got a problem with his computer: it's a
Vista loaded of viruses;

I'm a FLOSS-evangelist, and I'm, trying to convince him to migrate it to
Linux (any distro, it's not important), but he hasn't got enough skills to
do it, and also to learn himself everything he needs to use his usual apps.

So, I suppose there is somebody at Hawaii that is available to help him to
migrate  learn the minimum skills neeed to work with Linux

I found Hosef, and I thought maybe you could help him;

his twitter is: @biciclown

TNx in advance:
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Re: [LUAU] FYI...firewall upgrade time

[R. Scott Belford]

Eternal thanks always belongs with Brian and the SOEST for hosting the HOSEF
server. It would be an oversight not to share this Aloha with Kevin McCarthy
who took the greatest initiatives for the HOSEF mirror by requesting Arch,
donating drives, and then doing some of the heavy lifting to get us official
with Arch, Ubuntu, Debian, CentOS, and FreeBSD. Julian Yap has remained an
admin, too - even with the competition of career, matrimony, and fatherhood.

Two summers ago I replaced the hardware with a Tyan mobo, PIII chipset, that
was donated to us by local FreeBSD guru, Art Neilson. There is an identical
backup, sans drives, in my possession. Touchwood, this revision is still
kicking. Perhaps the one-week burn in time in my Ewa garage, in Summer,
shook it all out.

The mirror is operating on a degraded RAID1 array that I funded along with
Kevin. It is operated by a SuperMicro 8-port SATA controller that I
purchased to facilitate growth and maintenance. There is space for extra
drives.

I keep up the management and oversight of our Debian based OS, but I
continue to look for an on-island soul who cares enough for the mirror to
keep it up. I am now very far away, but, I love the mirror too much to let
it perish. There are too many people who count on it.

--scott

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Jason Axelson bostonvaul...@gmail.comwrote:

 And Arch too!

 Thanks Brian!

 Jason

 On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote:

  Just wanted to say that I really appreciate having the HOSEF mirrors -
  makes keeping up with Ubuntu and CentOS much easier.
 
  Your efforts are appreciated, Brian.
 
  Aloha
 
 
  On 06/16/2011 11:15 AM, Brian Chee wrote:
 
  So while this doesn't technically affect the HOSEF server, I thought I'd
  give you folks a warning that my lab firewall(s) and SSL-VPN(s) are
  getting
  upgraded today around 4pm HST...so while it shouldn't affect HOSEF, it
  might
  considering the massive arp table changes during this upgrade. So you
  might
  want to consider NOT doing any big upgrades off it at this time period.
 
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Re: [LUAU] RSync help

[R. Scott Belford]

Hey Jim

Rsync uses ssh as its default shell. No need for -e ssh. You'd be well
advised to create or to use a non-root user on either end. At the risk of
sounding crass, man rsync will yield great information. Andrew wrote a great
man page that has examples and descriptions.

I use Pavuz when syncing - P for progress, a to archive, v to be verbose, u
to update, and z to compress the traffic.

Assuming you want to create incremental backups, rsyncing as a non-root user
to directories, such as Mon, Tues, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat, Sun, Month, Year,
will create an archive of data which you can become root to restore, if
needed.

Enjoy

--scott


On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:07 AM, James Handsel jhand...@lava.net wrote:


  ___

1.   RSync help (James Handsel)
2. Re: RSync help (Brian Chee)
3. Re: RSync help (Clifton Royston)
4. Re: RSync help (Vince Hoang)


 --


 Brian, Clifton  Vince . . .

 Thanks for your responses.  I'm running rsync thru an ssh tunnel,
 connecting as root, initiating from the remote server. but for some reason
 the rsync session seems to be running as nobody on the office server.

 Bear with me for a day or two and I'll post everything.

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Re: [LUAU] Netgate and pfSense

[R. Scott Belford]

Netgate is Jim's company. Good stuff. I've been doing dual upstream
with pfSense, and it's all you want it to be. I use an Atom-based mobo
and a 4-port NIC

--scott

On Jan 9, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Clifton Royston clift...@lava.net wrote:

  I'm looking for inexpensive new hardware with 3 LAN ports to build a
 new pfSense box.  (For those who aren't familiar with it, pfSense is a
 FreeBSD-based dedicated firewall/router distribution with a fantastic
 feature set and incredibly easy to use web GUI.  Highly recommended.)

  I'm thinking about experimenting with a dual upstream configuration
 using both Roadrunner cable and DSL, and 3 LAN ports would make that
 more convenient, especially on the DHCP side of things.

  I see one of the vendors the pfSense people recommend is Netgate, for
 PC-Engine ALIX boards and cases.  Is that Jim Thompson's Netgate?
 That
 would be a plus if so.

  -- Clifton

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Re: [LUAU] Web APIs

[R. Scott Belford]

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Vince Hoang vi...@litrium.com wrote:
 Is anyone dabbling with web APIs? I started exploring
 http://dev.twitter.com/ with ruby tonight.

I am. The data made available via their API has the most potential of
Twitter. Before he left, Alex Payne put a lot into its utilitarian
functionality. It's this statistical stew that is their wealth. What
kind of fun are you having with the data?

I've seen some fun things with R

http://www.r-chart.com/2010/06/analyze-twitter-data-using-r.html

made possible by this package

http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/twitteR/index.html

And I see this is in Debian

http://packages.debian.org/sid/python-twyt


 -Vince

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Re: [LUAU] Mirror server now at gbe

[R. Scott Belford]

There will not be any speed changes until it has a gigabit NIC. It currently
has a 10/100 PXE capable NIC so that it could be installed, imaged, etc. via
PXE and the network. Heat has been killing drives since day 1, so the
balance for the mirror has always been spindle speed, air flow, and
redundancy. The meat of the mirror is coming from Seagate's 5400 rpm 2.0tb
SATA drives in a SW RAID1 array, and they seem to be doing okay.

--scott

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote:

 Nothing has changed yet...I'm meeting with a cadre of volunteers to see
 where we want to take this...my hopes is for a bigger, faster mirror...

 /brian chee



 On 7/13/10 4:08 PM, Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote:

  Brian Chee wrote:
  Sorry it took so long, resetting the new GBE switch took longer than
  expected...had to dig for docs on how to reset to factory. So now the
 mirror
  has gbe all the way up to the net. Hopefully folks will have started
 seeing
  the speed increase already.
 
  /brian chee
 
  Aloha Brian,
 
  Can you post the http:// and ftp:// for the new and improved LUAU
 mirror.
 
  Mahalo
 
 
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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:
 Scott,

 Looks like IPv6 connectivity to mirror.hosef.org is restored.  However, the
 FTP daemon isn't accepting connections over IPv6.

Thanks, Tony. We use vsftp, and this variable is controlled by the
listen setting. I had

#listen_ipv6=YES

commented out for obvious reasons. It is now active and has replaced

listen=YES

listen
If enabled, vsftpd will run in standalone mode. This means that vsftpd
must not be run from an inetd of some kind. Instead, the vsftpd
executable is run once directly. vsftpd itself will then take care of
listening for and handling incoming connections.

Default: NO

listen_ipv6
Like the listen parameter, except vsftpd will listen on an IPv6 socket
instead of an IPv4 one.  This parameter and the listen parameter are
mutually exclusive.

Default: NO


You should be good to go, now. I spent a fair amount of time since we
last wrote working on performance tuning. We spent our first week
completely saturating our 100M link. After limiting the concurrent FTP
connections, and reducing the max rate, everyone now seems to be
getting a fair slice.


 Antonio Querubin
 808-545-5282 x3003
 e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:

 Thanks.  You might also want to take a look at ftp.hosef.org.  Is that
 supposed to point at mirror.hosef.org or to the website?

That is at Dreamhost where hosef.org is hosted. It's never been part
of our naming scheme for the mirror.


 Lastly, you can proxy IPv6 connections to the IPv4-only website by adding
 something like:

 # IPv6 proxy for 69.163.192.65
 VirtualHost *:80
    ServerName hosef.org
    ServerAlias www.hosef.org
    ProxyRequests off
    ProxyPass / http://69.163.192.65/
    ProxyPassReverse / http://69.163.192.65/
    ProxyPreserveHost on
 /VirtualHost

 to your apache config on mirror.hosef.org.  Then add mirror's IPv6 address
 as an  RR to hosef.org and www.hosef.org in your DNS.  YMMV.

I use lighttpd, not apache, and, I don't understand why I want to do
this. It seems to add more layers of complexity. We only host
mirror.hosef.org and mirrors.hosef.org at UH. If these domains are
working okay, then this task is done. The website is another task for
another time.


 Antonio Querubin
 808-545-5282 x3003
 e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:
 On Thu, 6 May 2010, R. Scott Belford wrote:

 That is at Dreamhost where hosef.org is hosted. It's never been part
 of our naming scheme for the mirror.

 I use lighttpd, not apache, and, I don't understand why I want to do
 this. It seems to add more layers of complexity. We only host

 It was a suggestion on how to provide IPv6 connectivity to hosef.org using
 mirror as the proxy server if you so choose.  Does that make it more clear?
  A proxy isn't complicated to setup, but since you're running lighttpd and I
 don't have a tested proxy/reverse-proxy config for lighttpd you're on your
 own on that.

Got it. I understand. Thanks, Tony, not only for the suggestion but
also for the example.

To ease management and to facilitate uptime, I moved www.hosef.org,
hosef.org, and lists.hosef.org to Dreamhost a few years ago. Before
your direction, I had not really considered IPv6 or what I was
supposed to do about it. Now that mirrors is handled, I think I can
get the other domains up to speed via our host and their DNS settings.

I'll follow up when finished to make sure things are working okay.

 Antonio Querubin
 808-545-5282 x3003
 e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:
 On Thu, 6 May 2010, R. Scott Belford wrote:

 To ease management and to facilitate uptime, I moved www.hosef.org,
 hosef.org, and lists.hosef.org to Dreamhost a few years ago. Before
 your direction, I had not really considered IPv6 or what I was
 supposed to do about it. Now that mirrors is handled, I think I can
 get the other domains up to speed via our host and their DNS settings.

 Ideally it would be better to get Dreamhost to support IPv6 directly but the
 last news on that was a year ago on their wiki.  The proxy suggestion gets
 you going while waiting for Dreamhost to get off their rear end. 2012 will
 be an interesting year...

I understand. Sustainability and maintenance are key. I will count on
Dreamhost for this. I'd rather not let resolution to the hosef domain
depend upon the uptime of the more volatile mirror.


 Antonio Querubin
 808-545-5282 x3003
 e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:
 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Brian Chee wrote:

 Well how about I explore this when I get back from InteropITS turned
 on
 ipv6 for my vlan and I'm no longer 100% sure I have autoconfig? The config
 might be assuming that I'm routing ipv6 myself.

 Autoconfig is apparently working but it's beginning to look like there might
 be a fundamental routing problem.  Is 2607:f278:0:2::4 the last hop gateway?
  If so then it should be pingable from the server.  Did something change
 over the past several weeks?

It appears that what Brian said is in fact true. I quote,
Well how about I explore this when I get back from InteropITS turned on
ipv6 for my vlan and I'm no longer 100% sure I have autoconfig? The config
might be assuming that I'm routing ipv6 myself.

I think this case is closed, and we all know a bit more about IPv6. I
sure do. Thanks for all the insights and efforts, Tony. We should be
good to go once Brian returns.



 Antonio Querubin
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 e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:

Ubuntu has IPv6 turned on by default but perhaps the built-in firewall is
 blocking IPv6 access and/or the daemon configs have reverted to IPv4-only
 access?  The IPv4 and IPv6 traceroutes differ only by 1 hop so I'm assuming
 the blockage is at the server itself.



Thanks for the data and the info, Tony. Last week, Wednesday, we migrated
from CentOS 5.4 to Debian Lenny. I know that it should 'just work', hence I
am all but certain that this is a PEBCAK. If my recently revived dmesg
greeetings are any indicator,

[642021.291876] TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer
::::::da1c:1ec6:46936/80 shrinks window

the issue may be solved. Please let me know so that I can consider this
closed or dig more deeply.


 Antonio Querubin
 808-545-5282 x3003
 e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net


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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:

 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, R. Scott Belford wrote:



  [642021.291876] TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer
 ::::::da1c:1ec6:46936/80 shrinks window

 the issue may be solved. Please let me know so that I can consider this
 closed or dig more deeply.


 Hmmm, not sure what the above has to do with the servers IPv6 connectivity.
  Regardless, it's still not reachable via ICMP, FTP, or HTTP over IPv6.


It just indicates that the kernel is responding to IPv6 requests from
somewhere.


 Is the server able to ping6 arin.net or the first-hop router?  Or
 traceroute6 to isc.org or freebsd.org?  If it can't do any of those then
 you've probably got some configuration issues.


Good. More to do. I hate to think that I need to follow some of these steps
and deal with stf, 6 to 4

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6

Your suggestions or aha moments are welcome. Pinging and Traceroutes fail,
but IP6 Tables seem okay

mirror:/etc/cron.daily# ping6 arin.net
PING arin.net(www.arin.net) 56 data bytes
^C
--- arin.net ping statistics ---
8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7029ms

traceroute6 freebsd.org
traceroute to freebsd.org (2001:4f8:fff6::28), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  * * *
 2  * * *
 3  * * *
 4  * * *

mirror:/etc/cron.daily# ip6tables -L
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destinatio


Is it possible that the IPv6 address I used for DNS has MAC address settings
tied to the old server? I picked up on this possibility from reading this

http://madduck.net/docs/ipv6/

Thanks to you, Tony, I am trying to learn what I don't know about IPv6,
which is a lot. I have observed from superficially reading the above that
the MAC could be at play. Our address in DNS looks like
this, 2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8 , and I think there are some MAC
numbers here.



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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:

 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, R. Scott Belford wrote:

  which is a lot. I have observed from superficially reading the above that
 the MAC could be at play. Our address in DNS looks like
 this, 2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8 , and I think there are some
 MAC
 numbers here.


 If you changed your ethernet port, then your IPv6 auto-configured address
 probably changed.  What does ifconfig say your IPv6 address is now?


Well, actually, while I changed OS's, and I planned to change the NIC to
gigabit, the old NIC actually remains. The MAC address may not be the
variable.

mirror:/etc/cron.daily# ipv6calc --quiet --action conv6to4 128.171.104.136
2002:80ab:6888::
mirror:/etc/cron.daily# printf 2002:%02x%02x:%02x%02x::1\n 128 171 104 136
2002:80ab:6888::1

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:04:76:f1:ed:c8
  inet addr:128.171.104.136  Bcast:128.171.104.255
 Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: 2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8/64 Scope:Global
  inet6 addr: fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8/64 Scope:Link

Now, the question is, what address should be used for DNS? I recall learning
last year that I should use the Global address. When I ping and traceroute,
I get the shorter addresses. I

2002:80ab:6888:
2002:80ab:6888::1
2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8
fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8

The DNS record and ifconfig results of 2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8
are the same.




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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:

 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, R. Scott Belford wrote:

  eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:04:76:f1:ed:c8
 inet addr:128.171.104.136  Bcast:128.171.104.255
 Mask:255.255.255.0
 inet6 addr: 2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8/64 Scope:Global
 inet6 addr: fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8/64 Scope:Link

 Now, the question is, what address should be used for DNS? I recall
 learning
 last year that I should use the Global address. When I ping and
 traceroute,
 I get the shorter addresses. I

 2002:80ab:6888:
 2002:80ab:6888::1
 2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8
 fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8

 The DNS record and ifconfig results of
 2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8
 are the same.


 For some reason your system has 6to4 addresses configured at the same time
 it has native IPv6.  Did you specifically enable 6to4 or any other manual
 IPv6 configuration or tunnel?  If you did, you should undo all that. Then
 restart network services and make sure only the global and link-local
 addresses show up.


6to4 is enabled by default via the stock Debian Lenny install. I see from
documentation that there are ways to summon it via /etc/network/interfaces,
but I have not created any tunnels. As you see from my ifconfig, the global
and link-address both show up. It's only when running ipv6calc and other
tools that I get the shorter number.

http://www.wlug.org.nz/6to4

points me to how to deal with this. However, it still appears to be pebcak,
and it may be as simple as not defining the IPv6 address in
/etc/network/interfaces as I am now reading. Now to determine the gateway,
and we should be good to go. Without this definition, a 6to4 conversion is
attempted.



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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:

 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, R. Scott Belford wrote:

  points me to how to deal with this. However, it still appears to be
 pebcak,
 and it may be as simple as not defining the IPv6 address in
 /etc/network/interfaces as I am now reading. Now to determine the gateway,
 and we should be good to go. Without this definition, a 6to4 conversion is
 attempted.


 With IPv6 autoconfig, the prefix, address, and gateway are automatically
 learned.  If it's still trying 6to4 then there's something triggering it to
 think that it doesn't have native IPv6.


This is a good one. We have an OS change, same NIC, all other variables the
same. I think I need a static entry in /etc/network/interfaces and that this
was something automagically handled by centos. It sounds like I don't need a
gateway setting, though.

Since Brian is off-island, and we don't have lab access, I am wary about
tinkering too much. I think it is safe to add this address,
2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8,
as our static IP, though.

I don't think I need to run something like this.

mirror:/etc/network# apt-cache show radvd
Package: radvd
Priority: optional
Section: net
Installed-Size: 220
Maintainer: Ghe Rivero g...@debian.org
Architecture: i386
Version: 1:1.1-3
Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-1), adduser
Filename: pool/main/r/radvd/radvd_1.1-3_i386.deb
Size: 62122
MD5sum: 8152954e0d6b805820167cba0e899fb8
SHA1: 2059388ad55066336cb747735072a82eff7168c6
SHA256: 0c285d910d89b93c808bf8c61439679189d3a5ab89f932bcba4a05e03193011f
Description: Router Advertisement Daemon
 IPv6 has a lot more support for autoconfiguration than IPv4. But
 for this autoconfiguration to work on the hosts of a network, the
 routers of the local network have to run a program which answers
 the autoconfiguration requests of the hosts.
 .
 On Linux this program is called radvd, which stands for Router
 ADVertisement Daemon. This daemon listens to router solicitations (RS)
 and answers with router advertisement (RA). Furthermore unsolicited
 RAs are also sent from time to time.
Tag: interface::daemon, network::routing, network::server, protocol::ipv6,
role::program, use::routing



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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:
 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, R. Scott Belford wrote:

 This is a good one. We have an OS change, same NIC, all other variables
 the
 same. I think I need a static entry in /etc/network/interfaces and that
 this
 was something automagically handled by centos. It sounds like I don't
 need a
 gateway setting, though.

 BTW, what shows up as your IPv6 gateway in your IPv6 route table?  Can you
 even ping that?  Do a 'netstat -rnA inet6'.  Look for the default IPv6 route
 (::/0).  Take the next hop address and do a 'ping6 -I eth0 ...'.

mirror:/etc/network# netstat -rnA inet6
Kernel IPv6 routing table
DestinationNext Hop   Flag Met Ref Use If
2607:f278:4101:12::/64 :: UAe  256 0  5009 eth0
fe80::/64  :: U256 0 0 eth0
::/0   fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced   UGDAe 1024 0
42541 eth0
::/0   fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400UGDAe 1024 0
0 eth0
::/0   :: !n   -1  1 47551 lo
::1/128:: Un   0   156 lo
2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8/128 :: Un
  0   1 96607 lo
fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8/128   :: Un   0   1 35686 lo
ff00::/8   :: U256 0 0 eth0
::/0   :: !n   -1  1 47551 lo
mirror:/etc/network# netstat -rnA inet6
Kernel IPv6 routing table
DestinationNext Hop   Flag Met Ref Use If
2607:f278:4101:12::/64 :: UAe  256 0  5010 eth0
fe80::/64  :: U256 0 0 eth0
::/0   fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced   UGDAe 1024 0
42542 eth0
::/0   fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400UGDAe 1024 0
0 eth0
::/0   :: !n   -1  1 47553 lo
::1/128:: Un   0   156 lo
2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8/128 :: Un
  0   1 96610 lo
fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8/128   :: Un   0   1 35687 lo
ff00::/8   :: U256 0 0 eth0
::/0   :: !n   -1  1 47553 lo
mirror:/etc/network# ping6 -l eth0 fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced
ping: bad preload value, should be 1..65536
mirror:/etc/network# ping6 -I eth0 fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced
PING fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced(fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced) from
fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8 eth0: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.778 ms
64 bytes from fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.428 ms
64 bytes from fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.549 ms
64 bytes from fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.442 ms
^C
--- fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3002ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.428/0.549/0.778/0.141 ms
mirror:/etc/network# ping6 -I eth0 fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400
PING fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400(fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400) from
fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8 eth0: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.08 ms
64 bytes from fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.408 ms
64 bytes from fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.449 ms
^C
--- fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2004ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.408/0.648/1.087/0.310 ms

For those following along, there is some good reading here
http://www.ruwenzori.net/ipv6/Jims_LAN_IPv6_global_connectivity_howto.html


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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:

 And what does traceroute6 show to various hosts (eg. freebsd.org, isc.org,
 lava.net)?  You may find one of the two gateways is not routing properly. If
 that's the case, specify -g in traceroute6 and see which one works.

I think it's a matter of adding these lines to my /etc/sysctl.conf

net.ipv6.conf.default.autoconf = 1
net.ipv6.conf.default.accept_ra = 1

The test results are

mirror:/etc/network# traceroute6 freebsd.org
traceroute to freebsd.org (2001:4f8:fff6::28), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  * * *
 2  * * *
 3  * * *
 4  * * *
 5  * * *
 6  * * *
 7  * * *
 8  * * *
 9  * * *
10  * * *
11  * * *
12  * * *
13  * * *
14  * * *
15  * * *
16  * * *
17  * * *
18  * * *
19  * * *
20  * * *
21  * * *
22  * * *
23  * * *
24  * * *
25  * * *
26  * * *
27  * * *
28  * * *
29  * * *
30  * * *
mirror:/etc/network# traceroute6 -g fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced freebsd.org
traceroute to freebsd.org (2001:4f8:fff6::28), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
setsockopt IPV6_RTHDR: Operation not permitted
mirror:/etc/network# traceroute6
traceroute6 traceroute6.db
mirror:/etc/network# traceroute6 -g fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400 freebsd.org
traceroute to freebsd.org (2001:4f8:fff6::28), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
setsockopt IPV6_RTHDR: Operation not permitted


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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:22 PM, R. Scott Belford sc...@belford.net wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:

 And what does traceroute6 show to various hosts (eg. freebsd.org, isc.org,
 lava.net)?  You may find one of the two gateways is not routing properly. If
 that's the case, specify -g in traceroute6 and see which one works.

 I think it's a matter of adding these lines to my /etc/sysctl.conf

 net.ipv6.conf.default.autoconf = 1
 net.ipv6.conf.default.accept_ra = 1

Nope. Would have been nice.

mirror:/etc/network# more /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_ra*
::
/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_ra
::
1
::
/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_ra_defrtr
::
1
::
/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_ra_pinfo
::
1
::
/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_ra_rt_info_max_plen
::
0
::
/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/accept_ra_rtr_pref
::
1
mirror:/etc/network# more /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/autoconf
1



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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:
 Tracing route to mirror.hosef.org [2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8]
 from 2001:1888:0:3:34a0:a92b:52bd:9f7e over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1       1 ms    1 ms    1 ms  apapane-fe0-0-3.lava.net
 [2001:1888:0:3:2b0:c2ff:feea:bc00]
  2        1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  iiwi-fe-0-0-1.lava.net
 [2001:1888:0:7:290:69ff:fea7:a401]
  3        2 ms     2 ms     6 ms  alala-s2-0.lava.net [2001:1888::1:2]
  4       14 ms     2 ms     2 ms  hix-uhm-rtr.lava.net [2001:1888:1::2]
  5        2 ms     2 ms     2 ms  MacNut-ManoaHIX.infra.uhnet.net
 [2607:f278:2:4::1]
  6        2 ms     2 ms     2 ms  Keller720-10GigCore.infra.uhnet.net
 [2607:f278:0:2::4]
  7        *        *        *     Request timed out.

 Scott,

 An IPv6 traceroute to mirror.hosef.org doesn't go beyond 2607:f278:0:2::4.
 Are you table to ping or traceroute to 2607:f278:0:2::4?

I cannot ping that destination. I can ping my gateways. Results are below.

mirror:/etc/network# ping6 -I eth0 2607:f278:0:2::4
PING 2607:f278:0:2::4(2607:f278:0:2::4) from
2607:f278:4101:12:204:76ff:fef1:edc8 eth0: 56 data bytes
^C
--- 2607:f278:0:2::4 ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 5011ms

mirror:/etc/network# ping6 -I eth0 fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400
PING fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400(fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400) from
fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8 eth0: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.496 ms
64 bytes from fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.426 ms
^C
--- fe80::209:7bff:fedc:400 ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.426/0.461/0.496/0.035 ms
mirror:/etc/network# ping6 -I eth0 fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced
PING fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced(fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced) from
fe80::204:76ff:fef1:edc8 eth0: 56 data bytes
64 bytes from fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.643 ms
64 bytes from fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.399 ms
^C
--- fe80::217:c5ff:fe0f:6ced ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.399/0.521/0.643/0.122 ms



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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote:

 So does the HOSEF mirror have access via plain old vanilla anonynmous FTP?

 I need to push an Ubuntu/debian/centos (I care not which) up onto my VMWare
 ESX server, but it needs to be either FTP or sFTP since I¹m coming in from
 across the US.


Yes. Debian and CentOS are available via anonymous FTP and HTTP. The Ubuntu
CD Images have just been made available, and I am currently at
/universe/pool/s/ in the rsync rebuild of the Ubuntu repository. It should
be live within 4 or 5 hours.

I have not installed with VMWare, but I know that you can do a http install
from the /debian or /ubuntu trees without a CD or USB drive if you are
virtualizing with xen.



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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

2010/4/25 Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu

 Ok kewl...but to get the .iso into the VMWare system (without the GUI
 making
 my life miserable) I need traditional FTP from the command lineso if
 HOSEF's mirror has this, what address do I use?

 Mirrors.hosef.org and ftp.hosef.org refuse connection from my FTP client.


I'm not sure what's going on, maybe an ISP thing, but I can open
ftp://mirror.hosef.org and ftp://mirrors.hosef.org with browsers, and can
open ftp mirror.hosef.org from a terminal. I am using Oceanic TWC as my ISP.
Maybe your ISP does not allow FTP?


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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror access via FTP?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Antonio Querubin t...@lava.net wrote:


 BTW, what's up with the broken IPv6 access?  I can't even ping to the IPv6
 address anymore.

 Antonio Querubin
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 e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net


That's a function of a nearly seamless upgrade of our HW RAID5 / array
powered by a 3Ware IDE controller to a SW RAID1 2TB / array controlled by an
8-port SATA SuperMicro controller. I say 'nearly' because in the change from
CentOS back to Debian (done because we had no volunteers take us up on the
offer of helping with the more familiar CentOS stack), I have not done
something right.

My focus through this morning, when Ubuntu finished synching from OSUOSL,
was getting Ubuntu live for the Lucid releas, and making sure the other
distros we officially mirror, Debian, FreeBSD, Arch, CentOS, and Ubuntu
(again) were operating. Now that this is done, l'll take a look at and learn
what I don't know about why we are no longer responding to your IPv6
requests. I have not made changes to our DNS.

I apologize for the IPv6 interruption and will soon have it restored.

At your service

--scott

fyi - The HOSEF mirror now has a 2TB SW RAID1 array with a hotspare
comprised of Seagate 5400 rpm 2TB SATA drives. At the time of upgrade last
week our current mirror's 2TB HW RAID5 array was running degraded, and the
fan cooling the drives had failed. I replaced the fan, replaced the degraded
drive, replaced /, replaced the power supply, and began rebuilding Ubuntu
and offloading our overtaxed mirror array.

I am still looking for someone who is physically closer to the server and is
willing to keep the coldspare motherboard, power-supply, RAM, controller,
and drives for future maintenance. I live in Ewa, and the logistics, and
parking fines, beg for on-campus cooperation. We have capacity to add 5 more
SATA drives if anyone is willing, and the 5400 RPM Seagate model is ideal
for our needs.
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Re: [LUAU] software appliances

[R. Scott Belford]

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Vince Hoang vi...@litrium.com wrote:
 Is anyone building software appliances?

Yes. Take a look at OpenSuse's tool, too.


 On the small end, I have been building VMs based on Debian to keep things
 lean but I'm taking a closer look at the Ubuntu-based JeOS and TurnKey Linux
 to make them more portable. TurnKey does use webmin and thus perl, so I'm
 not sure if I can overcome my old biases. :)

JeOS continues ripening, and Canonical is doing a good job of
facilitating Amazon integration/migration as well.

You might appreciate ClearOS. It's the evolution of ClarkConnect, is
CentOS based, and has our friend John Terpstra on the team. He was
behind their PDC improvements the last few years.

Ubuntu has an appliance package, ebox, with a good admin panel that
you might like more than dealing with the drama of your old biases.

There's more out there, but this is a sampling.


 -Vince

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Re: [LUAU] Favorite SATA or PATA RAID controllers

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Clifton Royston clift...@lava.net wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:22:20PM -1000, Brian Chee wrote:
  I need to mirror (RAID 1) and was wondering about the collective option
 on
  PCI RAID controllers
 
  These are going into 1RU SuperMicro machines that tend to run hotso
 that
  is a bit of a consideration. I¹d like to use the same RAID controller for
  both Windows 2003 Server AND Debian Linux both...
 
  /brian chee

   Even though you're looking for Linux supported cards, there's a thread
 on freebsd-stable right now you might want to look through, discussing
 reliable inexpensive SATA controllers.

  Thread title is: hardware for home use large storage

  For BSD or Linux machines, I tend to think you're just as well off
 with software RAID, at least until you get to fairly high-end systems
 (e.g. external enclosures with their own RAID controllers.) If the card
 has to do RAID under Windows, though, hardware RAID may be the only
 reasonable option.


In answer to the original question, I use High Point SATA RAID controllers
when the need arises, and I depend on 3WARE for ATA RAID support.  Unless
you intend to benefit from the battery on board a RAID card while maximizing
all CPU cycles, there is rarely a good case for a single RAID card.  I used
to run Bonnie++ tests on both, and the NCQ feature of SATA 3.0 and SAS
drives close any lingering gaps.

Cliff's suggestion is supported by multiple platforms, and it is so hard to
beat the performance of a Software RAID10 array.  Software RAID allows for
multiple hot spares, array repair without rebooting, and the admin and
reporting tools once found only in RAID cards.  If you are going to use
redundant HW RAID cards, or keep a cold spare on site, and maximize all CPU
cycles for your applications, then your needs likely necessitate the RAM,
CPU, and Battery of a RAID controller or two.


  -- Clifton


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Re: [LUAU] Honolulu WiFi antenna sales?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Vince Hoang vi...@litrium.com wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Brian Chee c...@hawaii.edu wrote:
 So does anyone stock and sell 2.4ghz panel antennas in Honolulu? I¹m looking
 for something in the 65 to 90 degree spread with at around 12dbi of gain
 hopefully with N connectors on it. It needs to be pole mounted so I would
 also need a mounting kit. I need it quick so if I can¹t find a Honolulu
 dealer that has them, I gotta send my bucks to the mainland.

You could ask Jim with Netgate, and you may want to check with Wilson
Chan with the City.  Nam Vu of Shakanet might also have some ideas.
They deploy a lot of hardware and both have sources.


 Have you asked Jim at Netgate? He might have some on island. I don't
 think he rejoined the list after the Great Debacle.

I offered to add Jim to the LUAU list at hosef.org after you removed
us, migrated the list, and deleted the database, Vince.  He was, as
you might imagine, not interested.  He knows the offer stands.  I
personally would not have dared to expect him actually to add himself
to a list he was insultingly removed from, so I made the offer as
matter of good will and proper behavior  Apologies and the passing of
the water under the proverbial bridge took place, of course, because
this is how things should be.

Aloha


 -Vince

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Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*

[R. Scott Belford]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Clifton
Roystonclift...@iandicomputing.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 05:21:53PM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
 Aloha,

 I have to test networks with this HP Mini running Ububtu 8*. So I need
 traceroute. The normal Linux or FreeBSD command is the same. I searched
 and found many complaints about this with Ubuntu. That it is missing.
 Doesnt work from (root) sudo  or usr.

  Synaptic is your friend.

  Coming from FreeBSD, as I did, you're going to be extremely irked for
 a while, as I was, by everything that's *not* included in the distro.

  Ubuntu's built on Debian, and Debian is an extremely stripped-down
 distro.  C Compiler? not included. Basic networking utilities? not
 included.  Etcetera, etcetera.

  The bright side is that package management is done quite well; you'll
 just need to get into one of the package managers - and I do like
 the Synaptic GUI the best - browse through it and check off a ton of
 stuff, and then twiddle your thumbs for a while as it all downloads and
 installs.

  -- Clifton

Debian has over 20,000 packages available.  Ubuntu is in the same
area.  For some reason Ubuntu ships with traceroute6 installed, but
not traceroute.  Should one wish to stay with the command line,
aptitude search and apt-cache search help.

In all due respect, Debian Lenny (current stable release) ships with
traceroute, traceroute6, and more.  For good security reasons, it does
not ship with the esteemed gnu C compiler.  It can be easily installed
if you want it and know why you want it.  Results follow:

From Debian Lenny, our Hosef mirror, using tab completion

sc...@mirror:~$ tracer
traceroute   traceroute.dbtracert
traceroute6  traceroute-nanog tracert.db
traceroute6.db   traceroute-nanog.db

From Ubuntu 8.04 using the aforementioned tools:

apt-cache search traceroute
iputils-tracepath - Tools to trace the network path to a remote host
mtr-tiny - Full screen ncurses traceroute tool
traceroute - Traces the route taken by packets over an IPv4/IPv6 network
honeyd - Small daemon that creates virtual hosts simulating their
services and behaviour
hp-search-mac - Search for a MAC address on HP switches
hping2 - Active Network Smashing Tool
hping3 - Active Network Smashing Tool
lft - layer-four traceroute
libnet-rawip-perl - Perl interface to lowlevel TCP/IP
libnet0 - library for the construction and handling of network packets
(obsolete)
libnet1 - library for the construction and handling of network packets
libnet1-dev - development files for libnet
mtr - Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool
ndisc6 - IPv6 diagnostic tools
netwox - networking utilities
netwox-doc - documentation for netwox toolbox
paketto - Unusual TCP/IP testing tools
paris-traceroute - New version of well known tool traceroute
prewikka - Graphical analysis console for the Prelude IDS Framework
python-pyip - Python modules for raw ip packet assembling/disassembling
remstats-bintools - Remote Statistics System: traceroute and multiping
tcptraceroute - A traceroute implementation using TCP packets
traceproto - traceroute replacement that supports TCP, UDP, and ICMP
traceroute-nanog - Determine route of packets in TCP/IP networks (NANOG variant)
xt - A graphical traceroute
irpas - Internetwork Routing Protocol Attack Suite


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Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*

[R. Scott Belford]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Al Plantn...@hdk5.net wrote:
 Aloha,

 Thanks this worked from the command line just fine.

 Now I dont understand the CUPS printing setup. I tried the helper app but no
 printcap file was created for my Laserjet 1100.
 There is a driver listed and the ljet4q is selected but no que was written
 or printcap file so the test didnt work from the command line.

Try localhost:631 with a browser.  This is the real cups front-end.
You might try the command, aptitude search cups| grep lpr, to see what
terminal tools are available.  Others might have a better query to
suggest.  I seem to recall there being a toolset for those used to lpr
and printcaps.


 I am used to FreeBAS that has all the Utilities installed. Now I remember
 why I switched. I only ever had a Debian box that seemed to like me. A long
 time ago. Scott may remember the days at Mid Pac.

Wow, Al.  That's going back to, what, 2001(ish)?

Interestingly, the more I, ahem, mature, the more I love and
appreciate FreeBSD.  Want a great example?  The SSO Roaming Profile
samba/nfs/ldap piece that is critical to an open standards
infrastructure is challenging at best.  Read how this FreeBSD forum
how-to evolves to a script and an .iso within 6 months.

http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=770


 Mahalo...

 --

 ~Al

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[LUAU] Imaging Scripting some TOR headless proxies and bridges

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with the Tor Project,
http://www.torproject.org, but it's been a critical component of
sustaining free speech in Iran of late.  While I am not terribly
political about these things, I am always interested in free speech.
More importantly, with all this attention Twitter keeps getting, it's
crucial to remember that these expressions require an un-obstructed
conduit of communication.

Running a Tor Proxy or a Bridge can help.  I'd reference the how-to on
their site, but it seems to be down at the moment.  This can be
complicated to set up for some, or maybe you don't have an extra
computer.  That said, let me ask this:

HOSEF is liquidating its final collection of stored computers, and I
had pre-installed them with ubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu/debian/pfsense,
depending on the profile, as a way to find a home for them.  Would any
of you be interested in one of these computers if it were pre-imaged
and configured to be a headless Tor proxy/bridge?  James Burgett
(ACCRC in Oakland) suggested this today, and it's a good and timely
idea.

If you want one, or want to participate in the imaging of a lot of
them, let me know.

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Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu Networking

[R. Scott Belford]

 Aloha Scott,

 Mahalo for pointing me in the right direction.
 I was able to lock the network admin settings into manual mode and that
 worked. I was able to put both wlan and eth0 into the network/interfaces
 file and can usr the ifup and ifdown to use either. I also made backup files
 of the settings in the directory too.

 You have any thoughts on how I can get a cafe link to not override every
 thing if I wanted to use the netbook at a Starbucks or other place with
 wifi? I'm afraid that the auto config over writes the networks file if you
 use it.

Aloha Al

Given your depth and experience with FreeBSD and the terminal, you may
find yourself comfortable with the /usr/share/doc/{relevant
documents}.  The Debian/Ubuntu realm have good documentation for
configuring various behaviors within /etc/network/.  The wpasupplicant
files have good information for profiles.

I know just what you are dealing with.  The GUI tool has the ability
to set a profile, but it never really worked well for me.  This is
kind of a weak area right now, and it's partly why WICD is becoming so
popular.

The way I handled your situation for years on my old orange ibook
running debian was to create a few /etc/network/interfaces files.
Then I ran a basic script like iamhome, iamatwork, iamatuh, to load
the appropriate configurations for my interfaces.  For you, this will
work fine.


 ~Al Plant

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Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu Networking

[R. Scott Belford]

Al

There are 3 (among others) ways you can adjust your network settings.
You can manually edit your /etc/network/interfaces file, you can use
system/administration/network, or you can click the
network-manager-applet in the top right part of your screen.

It sounds like you have a Wired and a Wireless lan that you want to
bring up.  I would suggest using the system/administration/network
tool for this.

Wicd, as mentioned by Jason, will likely and eventually replace the
current tools.

--scott

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Al Plantn...@hdk5.net wrote:
 Aloha Gurus,

 I run FreeBSD servers and desktops and now I have an HP Mini 1000 netbook
 with Ubuntu OS.
 I have setup the /etc/network/interfaces :

 The manual connection works OK for my ATM circuit wired network, now I want
 to set a second network config for my LAN wireless.
 Any body on Luau had experience with a wired network link. I want to set it
 up manually so I dont lose the wired settings for when I am on the ATM
 circuit. Using the helper apps on the Netbook is not an option as it doesnt
 seem to play nice with more than one config.
 I am trying to set up the wireless so I can use either it or the wired link,
 obviously not both. With out losing either configuration.

 Also I want to know if it can be setup to work in a Starbucks configuration
 with DHCP again with out losing the existing configs.

 Note: Using the autoconfig helper destroys everything existing if you use
 it. I am used to command like setups for networks not the GUI point and
 click.

 Any help appreciated.

 Mahalo...

 ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
  + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
  + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
   email: n...@hdk5.net 
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[LUAU] HOSEF Saturday Workshops

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

Many of us know one another from the Saturday or Tuesday workshops
held at Mid-Pac, then Pricebusters, then McKinley.  The HOSEF workshop
was always a chance to visit, to learn, to help, and to figure out how
you can actually contribute in your own way to this whole free
software thing.  Some of us are not programmers, but that doesn't mean
that we don't have anything to contribute.

While the workshop runs from 10-2, there is no agenda, no start, no
end, and no such thing as being late.  Come if you want, but, please
contact me first so that I can give you directions.  Until we find
ourself properly funded to use another space, the workshops are in
Joe's Garage.  Becoming a member of or donating to HOSEF makes this
much easier.

Things that happen are

1. troubleshooting computers
2. testing computers
3. installing software
4. installing software on servers
5. talking
6. answering questions
7. planning
8. thinking
9. pondering
10. goofing off

You are expected to know nothing.  You are welcome.

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Re: [LUAU] HOSEF Saturday Workshops

[R. Scott Belford]

Mike - you are welcome anytime.  91-1145 Kaileonui Street.  96706
Park in the guest lot in the service lane.  The garage is right there.
 The address is on the mailbox.  The garage door will be cracked.  My
cell is 808.256.4188 and the HOSEF # is 808.689.6518 if you want to
call it.  Give me a ping before you come.

--scott

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Mike Gonsalves mlgon...@hawaii.edu wrote:
 Hi Scott,

 I would like to know where these discussions are being held so I can drop in 
 occasionally. They sound interesting and fun.   :-)

 ~Mike Gonsalves


  - Original Message -
  From: R. Scott Belford
  To: LUAU
  Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:20 PM
  Subject: [LUAU] HOSEF Saturday Workshops


  Aloha

  Many of us know one another from the Saturday or Tuesday workshops
  held at Mid-Pac, then Pricebusters, then McKinley.  The HOSEF workshop
  was always a chance to visit, to learn, to help, and to figure out how
  you can actually contribute in your own way to this whole free
  software thing.  Some of us are not programmers, but that doesn't mean
  that we don't have anything to contribute.

  While the workshop runs from 10-2, there is no agenda, no start, no
  end, and no such thing as being late.  Come if you want, but, please
  contact me first so that I can give you directions.  Until we find
  ourself properly funded to use another space, the workshops are in
  Joe's Garage.  Becoming a member of or donating to HOSEF makes this
  much easier.

  Things that happen are

  1. troubleshooting computers
  2. testing computers
  3. installing software
  4. installing software on servers
  5. talking
  6. answering questions
  7. planning
  8. thinking
  9. pondering
  10. goofing off

  You are expected to know nothing.  You are welcome.

  --scott
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[LUAU] Debian 5.0 Released

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

Some of you may or may not know that Debian 5.0 was released on
2-14(1).  It is always beyond astonishing to see this project continue
to grow, mature, and now support 12 CPU architectures.  It's a great
day for Free and Open Source Software.

The HOSEF mirror, mirrors.hosef.org, is updated at the repository
level.  The CD images should be done synchronizing in the next day.
If you are using Debian gnu/linux, and your sources.list file is
pointing to stable, then expect a larger than usual download and
update.

I think that the most exciting part of the release can be found here,

http://mirror.hosef.org/debian-cdimage/5.0.0-live/

Now you can download live, bootable Debian images for for CD/DVD/USB.

Enjoy

--scott

(1) http://debian.org/News/2009/20090214
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[LUAU] Open Source Pizza 2009 Schedule

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

Let's look ahead.  In the interest of creating a roadmap for migration
to and adoption of free and open source software, this is the
tentative 2009 Open Source Pizza schedule.
Sessions may change to accommodate guest speakers or topics that
suddenly become more relevant.

There are some speakers that I have in mind for each session, however,
your initiative will be rewarded if you wish to conduct, suggest, or
modify a session.  The more participation, the better.  Bandwidth and
equipment permitting, all sessions will be live at
http://links.hosef.org/osp

--scott


You Can Do It, Yes You Can
Don't be afraid.  I know how you feel.  You want to install this
linux thing on your computer, but you don't think it's as easy as
everyone says.  Join us as we convert a computer to a dual boot
workstation running Window and gnu/linux.
February 17, 2009

Crossing Over - Doing With FOSS what You Did with Bill
It's all about the applications, and we know it.  Who cares if it is
gnu or linux or mac or windows as long as it can do something, right?
Join us for a comparison of what one can do with Free applications
regardless of the operating system.
March 17, 2009

What Distro and Why - A Brotherly Discussion
Once you decide to to use a free operating system for your hardware,
you suddenly find yourself learning words like 'distribution' and iso.
 The world of freedom also includes choice, and choosing the right
gnu/linux distro can be fun.  Join us to see why.
April 21, 2009

The Multimedia Experience - Ubuntu Studio
You want to create.  You know that you can.  You've seen what you can
do with free software.  You are a creator, though, and you want it to
'just work' rather than depriving the world of your brilliance by
wasting time installing stuff.  It's okay.  We're here for you, and
we'll show you how one DVD can help you to master the Muses.
May 19, 2009

Your Business in a Box - SME Server
You are a business.  You need email, web services, shared files,
authentication, remote access, and more.  You don't want to figure it
all out, although you know you can, and it really is easy enough for
you and your team - of one.  If you haven't taken it to the proverbial
'cloud,' then the SME server might be worth pondering.
June 16, 2009

Bare Metal Restoration - Clonezilla
Where did it go?  You had your stuff, it was working, and so what that
if there was a power surge, a brownout, a lightning storm, or chaos.
Your stuff was backed up.  That's great.  What about restoring your
operating system, with applications, and settings?  Do you have
images?  If not, then join us to feel the fire of Clonezilla.
July 21, 2009

Virtual Magic - Another Look at Virtualizing
Everyone has talked about it.  Maybe it really is the right thing to
do.  You know you are the last, and that is still okay for you.  You
want it to work, cost you less electricity, provide you high
availability, redundancy, and a safe sandbox for RD.  You can have
this, and more, once you virtualize your hardware stack.
August 18, 2009

SIP up the VOIP, the Getting is Good
It really is that good.  Maybe you haven't gone so far as to see what
a software PBX can do for you, or how affordable your 808 number can
be when you access it from your computer, with a software client.  Of
course, once upon a time you also thought that you could only get mail
from a box from home.  Join us.  This is good stuff.
September 15, 2009

OSP - How Does it Look and What is it Doing
Where is everything?  What is it doing?  Why is some stuff slow, some
stuff fast, and why is that guy in the lobby smiling with his wireless
lapotp?  Maybe it's time that you had a look around your local area
network to see what is really going on.  It actually comes with pretty
graphs and charts.
October 20, 2009

Making My Web With Joomla
You've crawled around in other webs like those spun with AOL,
Facebook, and even Twitter.  Now you are all grown up, and you are
ready to create your own web presence that is free from anyone else's
rules or policies.  Guess what?  You can, it can be pretty, and people
will still be your friend and follow you.
November 17, 2009

Making My Web With Drupal
Shazaam.  Geemoninny.  Wow.  You want this, and more, as well as for
people to call you the master of the universe, or at least master of
their universe.  You can do it, with Drupal, and of course a module.
December 22, 2009

The Future of Affordable Computing - How Close are We to Free?
Yeah, right.  Free?  Are you kidding me?  Seriously, we keep getting
closer.  Join us for our annual assessment of the state of affordable
computing and the access to free software.
January 19, 2010
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[LUAU] OSP- February 17, 2009 - You Can Do It, Yes You Can

[R. Scott Belford]

You Can Do It, Yes You Can

Don't be afraid.  I know how you feel.  You want to install this
linux thing on your computer, but you don't think it's as easy as
everyone says.  Join us as we convert a computer to a dual boot
workstation running Windows and gnu/linux.  When I say dual boot, I
hopefully don't mean that we will both be kicking it.

The presenter is you.  Someone from the audience who either has their
own computer or would like to be the driver of the installation.  If
you have a computer, preferably a laptop, that you would like to see
converted, then back it up and bring it on.  Otherwise, we'll supply
the cooking ingredients.

February 17, 2009
6:00 - 8;00

Live on the Internet at http://links.hosef.org/osp

Location: Marine Sciences Auditorium, UH Manoa
http://www.hawaii.edu/campusmap/
click on Marine Science [E4]

Directions: on UH Campus take Dole turn north on East West Rd. – FIRST
LEFT into unnamed access road to lot # 11

Mention to the guard, if there, that you are there for the Open Source Pizza
presentation.

If you want pizza  soft drink after: $8. Otherwise, it is Free.

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Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20

[R. Scott Belford]

Thanks, Dave.  The audio definitely degraded as I progressed.  Someone
outside was celebrating their successful thesis defense.  I should
have closed the door.

Next month, which is now this month, I'll make some adjustments.  I'll
also have batteries for my other camera that provides better audio.  I
don't expect to be doing the presentation, so I'll be able to tweak
and test as we go.  I'll also be able to queue any questions or
responses from those of you wanting to 'attend' from home.

Thanks for checking it out and providing some feedback.  This is most welcome.

--scott

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Dave Burns tbu...@hawaii.edu wrote:
 Scott, mahalo for making the video. It is great for me, because I now
 have a conflicting commitment with my son that prevents me from
 attending on Tuesday nights.

 Please note that the audio was pretty bad. I have no idea how to
 improve things, other than to say the probably mike needs to be closer
 to the speaker and further from the air conditioner and the party
 going on next door.

 Which just goes to show, beggers can't be choosers, but they can still
 kvetch like anything!

 mahalo,
 Dave

 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM, R. Scott Belford sc...@belford.net wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Julian Yap julian_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 All, Scott has posted a video of his presentation here:
 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/open-source-pizza

 Thanks, Julian.  That link is actually the link you want to use on the
 3rd Tuesday of each month, at 6:30, to watch Open Source Pizza live.
 If you want to see the archive of last week's presentation, it is here

 Enjoy

 http://links.hosef.org/netbooking

 ---scott








 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Robert Green aloha_m...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Robert Green aloha_m...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20
 To: LUAU luau@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org
 Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 8:47 PM
 Aloha,

 It's been so long since I had a free Tuesday, but
 tomorrow looks promising --- do we need to RSVP? What's
 the cost? Which building should I be looking for?

 Looking forward to seeing the OLPC and learning more about
 DIY netbook

 Mahalo,
 Rob

 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, R. Scott Belford
 sc...@belford.net wrote:

 From: R. Scott Belford sc...@belford.net
 Subject: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20
 To: LUAU
 luau@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org
 Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:22 PM

 The State of Affordable Computing - How Close are We to
 Free?

 Marine Sciences Auditorium
 The University of Hawaii
 Tuesday, January 20 6:30 p.m.

 HOPE and Change abound, but what does this mean for your
 computing
 future?  With the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) changing the
 paradigm of
 affordable and portable computing, the landscape has
 changed in 2009.
 Computing value now is as much about the Kilowatts per Hour
 as it is
 about the Horsepower.  Etherbooting, PXE, the
 cloud, the Atom, and
 other seemingly strange words will take on a new and unique
 meaning to
 all those who attend this first Open Source Pizza of 2009.

 A hands-on demonstration of the OLPC computer and 3 other
 netbooks
 will be part of a festive array of low cost computing
 solutions.  Most
 importantly, you can learn about HOSEF's DIY
 self-assembly netbook kit
 that enables you to build your own netbook computer.
 Imagine building
 the device that you use as your SIP phone, your
 telemedicine monitor,
 your television tuner, and more.

 Your presenter, R. Scott Belford, is a data and voice
 architect
 specializing in social engineering through open standards
 technologies.  HOSEF engages in inspiring tomorrow's
 engineers and
 entrepreneurs through hands-on experiences with computers
 and network
 appliances.  Programs like Computer Guts and gnu/Linux
 Edutainment
 Learning Centers have long been fulfilling the dreams and
 visions that
 America's new president advocates.  HOPE, Helping
 Other People Excel,
 requires access.  We catalyze access.


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Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20

[R. Scott Belford]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Julian Yap julian_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 All, Scott has posted a video of his presentation here:
 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/open-source-pizza

Thanks, Julian.  That link is actually the link you want to use on the
3rd Tuesday of each month, at 6:30, to watch Open Source Pizza live.
If you want to see the archive of last week's presentation, it is here

Enjoy

http://links.hosef.org/netbooking

---scott








 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Robert Green aloha_m...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Robert Green aloha_m...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20
 To: LUAU luau@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org
 Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 8:47 PM
 Aloha,

 It's been so long since I had a free Tuesday, but
 tomorrow looks promising --- do we need to RSVP? What's
 the cost? Which building should I be looking for?

 Looking forward to seeing the OLPC and learning more about
 DIY netbook

 Mahalo,
 Rob

 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, R. Scott Belford
 sc...@belford.net wrote:

 From: R. Scott Belford sc...@belford.net
 Subject: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20
 To: LUAU
 luau@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org
 Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:22 PM

 The State of Affordable Computing - How Close are We to
 Free?

 Marine Sciences Auditorium
 The University of Hawaii
 Tuesday, January 20 6:30 p.m.

 HOPE and Change abound, but what does this mean for your
 computing
 future?  With the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) changing the
 paradigm of
 affordable and portable computing, the landscape has
 changed in 2009.
 Computing value now is as much about the Kilowatts per Hour
 as it is
 about the Horsepower.  Etherbooting, PXE, the
 cloud, the Atom, and
 other seemingly strange words will take on a new and unique
 meaning to
 all those who attend this first Open Source Pizza of 2009.

 A hands-on demonstration of the OLPC computer and 3 other
 netbooks
 will be part of a festive array of low cost computing
 solutions.  Most
 importantly, you can learn about HOSEF's DIY
 self-assembly netbook kit
 that enables you to build your own netbook computer.
 Imagine building
 the device that you use as your SIP phone, your
 telemedicine monitor,
 your television tuner, and more.

 Your presenter, R. Scott Belford, is a data and voice
 architect
 specializing in social engineering through open standards
 technologies.  HOSEF engages in inspiring tomorrow's
 engineers and
 entrepreneurs through hands-on experiences with computers
 and network
 appliances.  Programs like Computer Guts and gnu/Linux
 Edutainment
 Learning Centers have long been fulfilling the dreams and
 visions that
 America's new president advocates.  HOPE, Helping
 Other People Excel,
 requires access.  We catalyze access.


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Re: [LUAU] Relocating to Maui, Social networking (kimo)

[R. Scott Belford]

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:49 AM, KJA Kaleiwahea k...@ohananet.com wrote:
 I recently relocated from Oahu to the Big Island.  Anyone in Hilo?  I
 wouldn't mind organizing something offline for the folks here to stay
 connected.  Happy New Year to all...

Aloha Kimo

You are in luck because the BILUG has been pretty active for years.
Hopefully Eric or someone else on the list familiar with BILUG's
activities will chime in.  With all the telescopes over there, you
will find an impressively advanced FOSS community once you get to know
more people.

Enjoy, and have a healthy, happy, and prosperous new year.

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Re: [LUAU] Luau lists ?

[R. Scott Belford]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:20 AM, john_re [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 I met a guy at the Sunnyvale,CA linux picnic in August right after
 LinuxWorld SF who said he'd interested in getting the BerkTIPGlobal
 meeting going in HI,  he has something to do with, is it HOSEF?  But I
 havn't heard from him since.  - I'm just slowly getting this BerkTIP
 thing going  havent heard back from hardly anyone yet. I'm hoping he'll
 see some of the announcements I'm doin,  say hi.


Aloha John_Re

We met at LW in August first during Dr. Stanger's BOF session on gnu/linux
in K12, and then again at the Linux Picnic.  I mentioned then that I had
seen your posts to the freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list, and I suggested
that you continue posting to it.  You are reaching a good enough cross-over
of enthusiasts.  I apprised you that HOSEF was a non-profit entity that
works to organize the community around socially entrepreneurial activities.
For instance, next month we are donating a 25 station computer lab to Ma`ili
Elementary as part of a collaborative project with the University of
Hawaii's College of Education.

You are doing good and noble work by trying so hard to organize so many
people around a worthy stream of informational sessions.  Keep in mind that
mailing lists are, for some, a dying communication medium.  As Vince
mentioned, now that we don't need mailing lists to get X11 or our mice to
work properly, some such as this one get less activity.  I probably
communicate more about FOSS through my twitter account.

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Re: [LUAU] Spreading OpenSource w/ ZenCart 808lunch.com

[R. Scott Belford]

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Aryn Nakaoka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jim -

 Sorry about that, I didn't know Luau and HOSEF were 2 different list...

 just FYI  - Scott and I didn't see eye to eye as well for the Wireless
 Project - that's why HOSEF isn't part of Kokua Wireless.


I guess that it is fair for me to elaborate on HOSEF's involvement here
since it was a great story of what can be done with a community and
ecycling.  It was kind of of you to continue linking to HOSEF, Aryn, and I
personally thought that we saw eye to eye just fine.

Three years ago we started a project to put computers and free but filtered
wifi in parks.  In doing so I had to overcome a lot of objections at the
City level, for nearly a year, before we were allowed to give the city a
computer lab and free wifi in Ewa Beach.  Along the way we built some trust
for getting stuff done if it was for the good of the community.

After the Chinatown wifi meltdown, our City's CIO called me to see if we
could install the same firewall content filter for Chinatown that we had
been installing in the parks.  This was clearly a more demanding hardware
load than our Iolani donated PIIs could handle.  As fate would have it, we
picked up a few very nice dual core P4s from our BYUH friends, so I
accepted.

We were asked to work with Aryn and Sean, aka 808blogger.  We, as in myself
and another HOSEF volunteer, configured and tweaked the firewall and content
filter.  In the greatest of ironies, the same person who criticized us for
filtering the Internet in the Ewa park hand delivered and installed the
content filter for the Chinatown project he was helping to engineer.

Because the project was using Meraki units, doing geo-specific captive
portals and URL redirects were beyond the expertise of the group installing
the wifi units.  We did a conference call with them and explained how to use
iptables rules to work around the hardware limits of the Meraki units.  It
was quite a plan we shared, and it seems to be the gravy of their project.

I was then asked to give up root for a box that we were asked to support and
put our name behind.  There were clear profit motives, which is fine, but it
was clearly not our place to be used this way without a lot more disclosure
and collaboration.  I did not give up root but offered to update the box as
needed.

Strangely, I got a call and was asked to attend a meeting at Honolulu Hale.
 HOSEF was then removed from the Chinatown project and told that we could
still do the parks.  The City could not pay for the wifi or any services at
the parks, but as long as we found a sponsor, we could install computers and
wifi in any other parks.  The free publicity and goodwill from helping with
Chinatown was no longer an opportunity for us.

I think we saw eye to eye on what happened and why quite clearly, Aryn.  It
was a shame, it was a tremendous lost opportunity, but we were happy to help
and were appropriately excluded when we did not cooperate in this unexpected
way.


 thanks
 aryn


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[LUAU] List Policy Please

[R. Scott Belford]

Then please censor him in your own email account.  It is not fair for us to
be exposed to your personal grievances with Joe.  He, as a member of our
community, is free to be judged by the other members of the community absent
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Re: [LUAU] Hello - My Name is Scott

[R. Scott Belford]

Bottom Line
My name is Scott.  I am the volunteer Executive Director for The Hawaii Open
Source Education Foundation.  In our last complete Board Meeting, when we
last had a quorum on 12-22-07, I stated that our ecycling initiatives either
needed to become self-sustaining or that we needed to phase them out.  I
stated my plans for doing so and the fact that we had an abundance of P4
computers in storage costing me money.  We all agreed on the plans.  Two
members left the board after this meeting due to life circumstances, leaving
us without a quorum.  Two of the three remaining members will not release
the minutes from this meeting.  They have threatened to sue me if I release
the audio.  In this meeting I state that we must end ecycling or make it
work.  Yet, you, the public, do not know this.  Instead, all you are hearing
is one Board member claiming that he alone is championing this change and is
having to fight me to do it.  There will be another Membership meeting in
May, and this will be the opportunity to support the future of HOSEF or to
help put it to rest.  Either is fine.  What is not fine is keeping the
meeting minutes of HOSEF from the public, then misrepresenting the minutes
and the organization to the public in order to slander, libel, and attempt
to destroy a human being.  This should be banned from LUAU as it has been
banned from the HOSEF mailing lists.  It is unconscionable.

My quote from 12-22

long story short, trying to really focus more on the efficient
promotion and outreach and a little less of the moving of mass
quantities of hardware, yet not letting, you know, I don't wanna to
lose out on the good things, you know, the P4s, and, like from the
castle foundation, 3 three flat screen monitors and the P4s and those
type things. but by not taking everybody's castoffs, um, we've really
kind of, and I'll know better in 2 weeks after XXX and I get done
inventorying but we've got a nice, manageable, very desirable
collection of hardware.  an If we keep it that way, cash flow
positive, then I can do more computer guts for people, I think I can
do more parks, and I think that XXX can help more of the DVR and
homeless people through his own endeavors and all being cash flow
positive, plus selling some services on the side, some of these checks
ron talked about were for some support contracts we sold to schools
who weren't willing to take me up for my  free Saturday offers of help
but were willing to write checks.  So, I think thats the big picture
looking back and looking forward and trying to be a little leaner

and another statement from me

36:55 Scott - I agree with Ron though and by design I have put us on
the edge so that starting now I can put up or shut up with storage
stuff, otherwise we just kill it and rethink everything. that we don't
want to be obligated to something we can't pay for, so


The complete Draft minutes are on the hosef-managers mailing list at
lists.hosef.org

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[LUAU] LUAU List Policy Please

[R. Scott Belford]

Six years ago personal feelings got the best of good judgment.  It led me to
write the following to one who was getting a bit aggressive:

Then please censor him in your own email account.  It is not fair for us to
be exposed to your personal grievances with XXX.  He, as a member of our
community, is free to be judged by the other members of the community absent
the bias of any one person.

We then drafted the following list policy, but it was never officially
adopted.  I strongly encourage the admins of this list to adopt this policy
and to include it or something similar in the welcome email when people
subscribe.  LUAU is a really big room where lots of people know one another.


I suppose the key quote from this document I drafted 6 years ago is

It is harmful not being polite when offering help. Please do not be
condescending to or critical of other participants. Responding to other
members on the list to address personal issues is generally discouraged.
This is a gathering. If you have an issue with a person at a gathering, you
don't disrespect the peace of the others by publicizing your personal
grievances. This communication is best left off the list.


LUAU List Guidelines - 2002

Aloha! Welcome to the mailing list of Hawaii`i's Linux and Unix Advocates
and Users (LUAU). We are pleased that you have decided to join our
gathering. Before you get too wrapped up in the party, perhaps you can take
a few moments to look through our recommended list guidelines. Anytime so
many people get together and welcome your comments in their inbox, it
doesn't hurt to know how to be a welcome guest.

LUAU is a mailing list that encourages discussion about Linux and Unix. It
is a communication venue for users and advocates of the countless
distributions of Linux. It is for the many variants of Unix such as the *bsd
projects.

Unix has given birth to many amazing software projects. Some of these have
been organized within the GNU (gnu is not Unix) endeavor. Some have been
focused on the development of Linux. Because of the existence of the GPL,
these projects are available for anyone to be involved in without paying
money. This is because the source code is Open to the public. Consequently,
many professionals and hobbyists have been able to create software capable
of controlling your home, business, or charity, and it is Free to you.

Advocates are interested in seeing the benefits of Free and Open Source
Software reach more than just the enthusiastic community of current users.
This list invites their experiences or ideas about how to make this
remarkable assimilation of distributed software projects a bigger part of
our society and economy. If you are involved in an interesting project, we
would like to know. Perhaps someone here can help.

Users trying the fruits of these projects may encounter hardware, software,
and programming issues as they attempt to make the computer obey their
wishes. All of their questions are welcome. Regardless of what you may think
as you type it, NO question is stupid or foolish. We all start somewhere;
there is no shame in sharing where you are. Your helpful experiences are
encouraged. We have a WIKI, why not document them there? If you can help
someone, go for it. If you are wrong, there is no harm in trying.

It is harmful not being polite when offering help. Please do not be
condescending to or critical of other participants. Responding to other
members on the list to address personal issues is generally discouraged.
This is a gathering. If you have an issue with a person at a gathering, you
don't disrespect the peace of the others by publicizing your personal
grievances. This communication is best left off the list.

So, this list is about helping. It is about sharing information. If one
wishes to be explicitly critical of a particular software project or a
design feature in a Linux distribution, try to make this criticism with
logic and not emotion. If one really intends to influence the opinion of
every subscriber to this list, please attempt to do so with reason and
experience.

Frankly, we ask that you do not SPAM the list. We define SPAM as Selling a
Product that Asks for Money. Please do not use the opportunity to reach such
a targeted market to push your product. There are subtleties to this policy
that are difficult to be certain of. If you are really uncertain, ask the
listmanager for input. Try to think of it this way: If you are at a party,
you probably don't want someone selling you insurance. You may not mind if
they tell you where they got a great deal on a processor. It wouldn't hurt
to know about volunteer projects you are interested in. It would be nice if
they offered you the chance to earn money doing something you like. In the
context of this mailing list, it is preferable not to sell products on it,
it is okay to share good experiences with vendors, it is okay to share
information about relevant volunteer projects, and it is okay to try to give
the list 

Re: [LUAU] list moderation

[R. Scott Belford]

I have no desire to moderate this list and do not understand this question.
I have never moderated LUAU for many good reasons.  I am not even an admin.
There has obviously been no moderation for the last few weeks.  It was today
that I reminded the current admin that he alone has the admin password, and
he has had it since I migrated the lists a few weeks ago away from our
outdated UH install and to Dreamhost.  Prior to that migration I asked if
anyone else wanted to host or to moderate this mailing list.  For a few
weeks anything and everything has been expressed on LUAU without regard to
any ethic or decorum.  I tried to give this list to the community, it was
not taken, and I have been paying to host it while my reputation and all
that HOSEF has done is slandered, slighted, libeled, and damaged by the very
people claiming that they don't have enough control over HOSEF to do
non-ecycling projects.  I'll let history judge this one.

Some action seems to have been taken today, at least by making the lists
private.  The world deservedly loves all that you have done to make this
list and more work, Vince, so I personally vote against your giving it up.
I completely reject any admin privileges.  I will continue hosting LUAU, and
I will continue wondering how many more questionable and actionable comments
are made.  Can someone please restore the decorum of this list *without*
using the word scott?

--scott


On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Vince Hoang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Let me know if you want my to give up moderation of the list and
 hand it to Scott. It is currently hosted on lists.hosef.org right now.

 I use moderation in quotes because I have tried very, very hard not
 to resort to heavy moderation and instead try to convince others to
 self-moderate.

 If you want me to continue to moderate, we will likely have to move
 the lists away from hosef.org and over to a new domain like
 freesoftwarehawaii.org.

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Re: [LUAU] eWaste Legislation, ecycling, and You

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

Thanks for taking the time to reply and to provide some opinion and 
insight on the matter.  I removed the HOSEF-announce list in this reply 
only because we try to keep it announce focused only.  With respect to 
LUAU, I'll keep this reply pretty tidy and encourage those interested in 
the bigger discussion of HOSEF to join us on hosef-managers at 
lists.hosef.org.


HOSEF, its vision, name, purpose, and early planning were born on LUAU 
as a public entity.  We achieved 501(c)(3) exemption because we defined 
certain exempt purposes for which we would operate, literally, right 
down to what percentage of our time we would be engaged in those 
activities.  It was at that point that we set out to see HOSEF fulfill 
these exempt purposes or cease to exist.


Life Cycle of a Public Charity - Jeopardizing Exemption

http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=123299,00.html

I have been faulted by many these last 6 years for being too focused on 
the hardware.  This is hardly the first time that someone has gotten 
involved and said 'gee, that's a lot of metal you are moving, let's quit 
that.'  It's a natural reaction, and I take responsibility for not being 
more explicit that it is simply my legal duty to adhere to the 
guidelines under which the IRS allowed us to organize.  I am a bit like 
a mule when it comes to grinding out duty, and I do my best to have fun 
with it.


There is no question that we need opportunities for people to get 
involved with FOSS in Hawaii without even knowing the name of HOSEF.  To 
that end I'll be following this email with some news about moving LUAU 
and the need for some leadership from one of you in the new Ubuntu LoCo 
that has fallen into our lap.  I encourage anyone to do anything they 
want to promote and sustain the use of FOSS, and I'll help with all my 
heart.


HOSEF has a legally defined mission to promote and sustain the use of 
FOSS by advocacy, outreach, and the use of previously discarded 
hardware.  If we don't do this, we don't exist.  There's a lot of good 
we accomplish and projects that we have initiated.  I respect that it is 
not what everyone wants to do.  As long as it is around, though, the 
world is better served when people help, volunteer, become members, 
serve as Directors, and share in an understanding of why we exist in the 
first place. There is so much good to be done with aloha, collaboration, 
and building rather than destroying.


Other than imploring LUAU now and perhaps on rare other occasions about 
ways to get involved, I'll trust that if any of HOSEF matters to you 
then you'll subscribe to one of our mailing lists at lists.hosef.org


--scott

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R. Scott Belford
Founder/Executive Director
The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation
P.O. Box 2644
Ewa Beach, HI 96706
808.689.6518 phone/fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Jim Thompson wrote:

Scott,

With respect, I submit that HOSEF (as a board and membership) should 
consider exiting the eWaste business, re-writing the governance 
documents as needed to effect this change.  As an Open Source Education 
Foundation, HOSEF's mission should be advocacy and awareness, not 
entitlement or the environment.  While HOSEF has traditionally had a 
foot in both waters, the time may have come for HOSEF to spin off the 
eWaste side of things into a new, purpose-driven entity, with all its 
wood behind one arrowhead.   In this manner, both can proceed forward.


I have grave concerns that should HB 2509 and SB 2843 pass, and be 
signed into law, that HOSEF could fall afoul of the manufacturer 
designation, and most certainly be a retailer, (you've already 
arranged for storefront), and thus be on the hook for paying the 
fees associated with these bills.Cheap PCs?  Fugetaboutit.


California's equivalent law is structured such that the manufacturer and 
consumer bear the fees, and doesn't make a hobbyist, building a few 
computers in his basement for family and friends subject to an annual 
$5,000 fee.   Consider the impact on the small and medium business were 
all 50 states to pass a law like that proposed in Hawaii.   Such an 
entity would end up paying $250,000 per year just to be in business.


SB 2843 and HB 2509 *CAN'T* pass if Hawaii is to have a hi-tech 
industry.   Their combined weight, as law, would bomb the struggling 
computer industry in Hawaii back to the stone age.


Also, a newer PC may end up doing far less harm *long-term* to the 
environment, never mind the new 'lead-free' stuff, it may end up using 
far less power than the P4 you've got vibrating in the corner.
Anyone up for a head-to-head PowerTop 
http://opensolaris.org/os/project/tesla/Work/Powertop/ cage bout? My 
'new' (last year's) Linux deskside is down to 18 or so wakeups/s when 
idle. But I'm still dorking around with the kernel .config so that 
number might move by the time I have things the way I want them. Lots of 
time in deep C states, and the CPU area is cool to the touch.


And who else finds

[LUAU] Moving LUAU

[R. Scott Belford]

Over the next few days we will be moving hosef.org, the wiki, the
gallery, and the mailing list off of our box at UH.(1)  It has been more
than a year since plans were made to expand the capacity of our mirror, 
and now it is time to do it.  Many thanks go out to Cliff Royston and 
Michael Bishop for following through on their donations for hard drives, 
and to Julian Yap for filling in for a few others with his donation.  We 
will soon have over a terabyte in storage.


It's a funny thing.  The 120gb drive that partly started HOSEF is still 
in the mirror.  Once upon a time the use of a donated drive was the 
source of great debate on this list.  I wrote a check for 125 bucks to 
some guy to buy his half, and then Warren could proceed in helping the 
community without interruption.


I wanted a deduction for that, and I wanted to see some kind of 
democratic entity develop that could facilitate the dreams of Warren, 
the needs of LUAU, and the grassroots requirements for Hawaii to 
consider adopting FOSS.  There it all started, and here we are.


In moving LUAU, the opportunity exists for anyone else to take over its 
management if they would like.  Someone from the pre-hosef days is 
welcome to admin it, and, if you want, you can host it elsewhere.  We 
are moving to dreamhost, and they will handle the import of the list and 
archives.


When we started HOSEF we created an announce list and a managers list to 
avoid spamming LUAU.  In my enthusiasm for all we do I have crashed the 
LUAU party, often.  While I don't consider the outreach spam, I fully 
appreciate that there is only so much oxygen in the room, and sometimes 
I hyperventilate. :-)


Please let the list, me, or Vince know if you want to assume the helm of 
LUAU.(2)


--scott


(1) Brian Chee and SOEST have been monumentally gracious in supplying us
power and bandwidth for years.

(2) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ date
Thu Dec 27 10:35:14 HST 2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uptime
10:35:19 up 378 days, 14:45,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
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[LUAU] Great UH Opportunity with FOSS and MIS Underpinnings

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

A very nice email has come our way respectfully requesting that this 
community know more about a good job opportunity at UH.  It seems that 
LUAU is the appropriate list for this.  Apparently the job description 
does not do the fun of the job any justice, so the following is a 
verbatim statement from this future employees' supervisor:



The job description is long (http://workatuh.hawaii.edu/zoom_job.php?9167) but 
it really boils down to working with systems that have web front ends, MySQL or 
similar base, and some combination of mostly open source application programs 
in between. Advantages that might outweigh the not-so-great salary are the free 
tuition for classes at UH and of course the generous holiday, vacation and sick 
leave. Also my department allows flex scheduling, some work from home, doesn't 
make anyone work swing shifts. The job has the potential to be very diverse and 
could give someone a range of practical experience. How to reach the new grads, 
or those with aptitude with a certain level of geekiness, who might be thinking 
about going back to grad school?  Specifically we are currently using 
Plone/Zope, dSpace (from MIT), Streetprint (a canadian digital collection 
management system) and Geoserver, the servers are almost all Linux of some 
flavor, we use Apache Tomcat.  The job can have a lot
of variety and even be fun but there's no way to convey that to the right people within the structure of the official job description.  If you could spread the word, that would be great.  The deadline for applications is March 20. 



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[LUAU] Great UH Opportunity with FOSS and MIS Underpinnings.1

[R. Scott Belford]

(Sorry, perhaps this is wrapped better.  I really struggle formatting 
email from thunderbird/icedove)


Aloha

A very nice email has come our way respectfully requesting that this
community know more about a good job opportunity at UH.  It seems that
LUAU is the appropriate list for this.  Apparently the job description
does not do the fun of the job any justice, so the following is a
verbatim statement from this future employees' supervisor:


The job description is long
(http://workatuh.hawaii.edu/zoom_job.php?9167) but it really boils
down to working with systems that have web front ends, MySQL or
similar base, and some combination of mostly open source application
programs in between. Advantages that might outweigh the not-so-great
salary are the free tuition for classes at UH and of course the
generous holiday, vacation and sick leave. Also my department allows
flex scheduling, some work from home, doesn't make anyone work swing
shifts. The job has the potential to be very diverse and could give
someone a range of practical experience. How to reach the new grads,
or those with aptitude with a certain level of geekiness, who might
be thinking about going back to grad school?  Specifically we are
currently using Plone/Zope, dSpace (from MIT), Streetprint (a
canadian digital collection management system) and Geoserver, the
servers are almost all Linux of some flavor, we use Apache Tomcat.
The job can have a lot of variety and even be fun but there's no
way to convey that to the right people within the structure of the
official job description.  If you could spread the word, that would
be great.  The deadline for applications is March 20.

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[LUAU] eWaste Legislation, ecycling, and You

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

I believe that everyone on these mailing lists understands that we have 
tried to facilitate and foster the development of FOSS by building 
learning opportunities around discarded computers.  There are more 
people than I can remember these last 6 years who have had the chance to 
learn or to do something otherwise impossible because of our work.  All 
in all I would say that HOSEF has done pretty well at catalyzing the 
adoption and awareness of FOSS.


Our mission is fulfilled and our tax-exemption maintained by repurposing 
discarded computers in order to promote and sustain Free and Open Source 
Software.  We cannot quantify the value of this amazing sandbox of 
donated hardware available for RD and learning.  However, the work of 
moving metal can become a mission in itself, and it has arguably slowed 
the work of sustaining FOSS because we spend so much time promoting.


It is with these thoughts in mind, and the emerging trend of 
eco-friendly, low cost computers, that the legislation I reference below 
is rather timely.  It essentially shifts the cost burden of ewaste 
recycling to the manufacturers.  I wish we had considered this in 2000.


My gut feeling about this is that it seems a bit tragic because the 
getting is good now when it comes to 'old' computers and precious 
resource markets.  The average donation to HOSEF is a high-end PIII, and 
lately we seem to get more P4s and LCD monitors than I have counted.  We 
have begun requiring a donation for computers, and we have a growing 
collection of volunteers on our donation mailing list who take care of 
pickups.


I've alluded to, and have just been a bit overwhelmed trying to 
implement, a process to give pre-installed computers, firewalls, and 
servers as gifts for certain membership levels.  I am all but certain 
that there will be a steady flow of people willing to join HOSEF at a 
$50, $100, or higher level if we provide a gift of a computer, class, 
and even delivery.  What will happen if this proves to be as beneficial 
to Hawaii as I conceive, but we lose our supply of P4s, Dual Cores, and 
more?


Contrarily, what happens when the growing number of ePC's drops the 
average price to less than $100?  Obviously there is still a world of 
difference, when you have next to nothing, between a $50 and $100 
expense for technology, but the cost of electricity for a CRT is a 
factor.  It is a great time to try to jumpstart innovation, hope, and 
opportunity with technology.


Language is just words, and Legislation is a function of how we 
interpret these words.  My reading of these bills is that processing 
computers, which is part of the definition of recycling, allows entities 
like HOSEF to still reuse good computers.  If you take a look at the 
recyclers who stepped in when we stopped taking so many computers in 
2005, you will appreciate the hundreds of thousands of dollars in 
funding we lost and that could have been used for the charity.


All in all it does ask a bigger question for anyone looking for work and 
money - why aren't we separating the metal and circuit boards (treated 
as sheet metal by the EPA), the plastics, and the copper CRT yokes for 
after markets that pay money for them?  The lead infused glass of the 
CRT must still be processed as a toxic material, but the rest of these 
components have a growing value to industrialized and developing 
economies.  Handling the world's ewaste is not HOSEF's problem, but 
seeing great learning opportunities and valuable resourced discarded is 
arguably a concern.



HB 2509

RSS Feed

feed://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2008/rss/HB2509.xml

Text

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2008/Bills/HB2509_.htm

Status

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/site1/docs/getstatus2.asp?billno=HB2509


SB 2843

Text

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2008/Bills/SB2843_SD2_.htm

Status

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/site1/docs/getstatus2.asp?billno=SB2843

RSS

feed://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2008/rss/SB2843.xml



Have you Joined HOSEF and become a member?

http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/membership

(please note that the site will be intermittently down 3-1 and 3-8 
because our esteemed hosts at UH are getting electrical upgrades)



--scott

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808.689.6518 phone/fax
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HOSEF is a charitable non-profit with a mission to promote Free and Open 
Source Software by building learning opportunities around previously 
discarded but still functional computers.  We appreciate the time you 
have taken to reach out to us. Beginning in 2008 we have to strongly 
encourage kind contributors like yourself to make a donation with your 
equipment.  This enables us to put computers in parks, schools, 
community centers, developing countries, and the hands of children 
needing them the most.


If you have questions, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [LUAU] Did Microsoft give up?

[R. Scott Belford]

Jim Thompson wrote:


On Feb 29, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Clifton Royston wrote:


Sure, it's a new verse to the tune of that old song Embrace and extend.


I always thought the song was titled, Embrace, extend and extinguish, 
but perhaps thats just how the chorus goes.


The funniest thing was watching CNBC last week and hearing the most 
candid comment from someone completely uninitiated to FOSS.  The 
reporter who had been in the press briefing and had a follow up 
interview commented, If I had a dollar every time he said open or 
community.

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[LUAU] HOSEF starts a Storefront, and February Events

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

Beginning this month we will be selling pre-installed FOSS systems at a 
storefront in Ewa.  We are co-locating with a computer hobbyist's best 
friend, a car parts store.  We will be accepting donations and selling 
surplus 7 days a week.



Weekly Workshops continue in earnest this month.  With new space, they 
will soon transform from workshops to classes for Seniors.


Saturdays February 2, 9, 16, and 23
2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.
Boys and Girls Club Hale Pono Clubhouse
http://tinyurl.com/33lzkw


With my OLPC laptop delivery delayed, the speaker is yet to be 
determined.  Have something to share?  Please let me know.


Open Source Pizza
Time: 6:00 to 8:30
Date: February 19, 2008
Location: Marine Sciences Auditorium, The University of Hawaii

If you want Pizza, $8, otherwise it is Free

For directions, start here

http://tinyurl.com/yqw8cu

then use

http://www.hawaii.edu/campusmap/

and click on Marine Science [E4]

For parking, just let the attendant know that you are there for the 
monthly pizza meeting.



And last but not least, you will be hearing more about, and hopefully 
soon visiting, the shopping center located here


http://tinyurl.com/3d8mwt


Respect

--scott


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[LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Making the Grade with the Open Document Format

[R. Scott Belford]

Making the Grade With the Open Document Format

Join Paul McKimmy of the University of Hawaii's College of Education as 
he discusses the process in adopting the standards compliant Open 
Document Format as an official format for the College.  A format created 
and accessible by free office suites like Open Office, ODF is an 
important standard that ensures the academic equity of aspiring students 
is never obfuscated.  To quote McKimmy, My dissertation � this document 
was the focus of every spare moment of my life in 1996. It�s written in 
then-popular Ami Pro word processor. Ami Pro is now part of history, as 
is my original dissertation file, locked in Ami Pro's proprietary 
format.  Learn how his efforts will keep this from happening to future 
students.


Paul McKimmy received his bachelors in Business  Computer Science at 
Hope College and Doctorate in Educational Leadership from Western 
Michigan University.  He is currently, Director of Technology and 
Distance Programs at the University of Hawai`i-Manoa College of 
Education and a tenured Full Specialist in Educational Technology.  Dr. 
McKimmy teaches graduate and undergraduate courses, works with faculty 
to develop online and hybrid programs and is responsible for the 
supporting instructional technology within the College. He oversees the 
development and delivery of Masters, Baccalaureate, and certification 
programs to Oahu’s neighbor islands.


Time: 6:00 to 8:30
Date: January 15, 2008
Location: Marine Sciences Auditorium, The University of Hawaii

If you want Pizza, $8, otherwise it is Free

For directions, start here

http://tinyurl.com/yqw8cu

then use

http://www.hawaii.edu/campusmap/

and click on Marine Science [E4]

For parking, just let the attendant know that you are there for the 
monthly pizza meeting.



--scott



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[LUAU] HOSEF January Events

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha and Happy New Year to All

Some events in the coming month for you to mark on your calendar.  As 
the year progresses we expect to better manage updates on the website so 
that this information can be accessed without excessive emails.



Open Source Pizza
January 15, 2008
6:00 - 8:30
UH Marine Sciences Auditorium
Making the Grade with the Open Document Format

Saturday Workshop
January 5, 2008
2:00 - 5:00
Boys and Girls Club - Ewa Beach
http://tinyurl.com/33lzkw

The Unconference
January 12, 2008
8:00 - 3:00
http://unconferenz.com/
A grassroots tech/Internet gathering to foster sharing and interaction 
amongst its participants.



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[LUAU] The Grand Finale

[R. Scott Belford]

For the last Saturday in 2007, we will be troubleshooting and installing 
software on the few computers in our storage that are not identified and 
ready to be donate.  The Boys and Girls Club is closed, so most work 
will be in my garage.  This is more fun.


If you'd like to come help, it is best if you call the HOSEF number, 
808.689.6518, or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I'll be checking both 
periodically.  We'll be doing this all day, so there is no such thing as 
being early or late.  The general locale is


http://tinyurl.com/2aldc3

Last week HOSEF moved to a new warehouse, and we now have the neatest, 
most organized storage on the island.  In the coming months all that we 
have is being entered into a database so that we can manage our gifts 
with the efficiency of JIT inventory.  It will be online for your 
perusal in case there is a random piece of hardware you wish you could find.


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[LUAU] HOSEF Saturday Activities

[R. Scott Belford]

As 2007 comes to a close, HOSEF will be active these last two Saturdays 
organizing and inventorying stuff in storage.  We have a small warehouse 
in Ewa.  We will be organizing it under the leadership of our recently 
anointed volunteer warehouse manager.  With dozens of parks, and more, 
on the horizon for 2008, it is time to get tidy.


We will simultaneously be ferrying some computers/servers to and fro my 
garage so that they can be tested and imaged.  The Boys and Girls Club 
will be closed the next few Saturdays, so we are becoming a garage band. 
 No set hours today - pretty much from 12 until sunset.  If you want to 
join us, please email me or call the HOSEF number so that I can route 
you in.  Our base of activities will be here at Public Storage


http://tinyurl.com/2aldc3 (a block past the arrow on the map)

where David will be for the day.

If you can move, lift, laugh, sweat, plug things in, connect computers, 
press buttons, organize, document, wrap, twist, or sort, then you are 
valuable today or next Saturday.



--scott



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[LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Today - 12-18

[R. Scott Belford]

Open Slate

The goal of the Open Slate Project is to transform the way computers are 
used in secondary education. Rather than fencing computers in by making 
them a subject to study, computers ought to be fully integrated into the 
educational process, as common in classrooms as textbooks and chalk 
boards. The key to success is to recognize and use the skills of the 
students. The project encompasses self-made slate computers, a 
supporting network, and a collection of educational software.


http://openslate.net

Gary Dunn is a twenty-five year veteran of the IT industry with a 
remarkable ability to make things work and a pretty good knack for 
helping people use IT. An avid user of FreeBSD since 1996 and Linux 
since 1999, Mr. Dunn has used FreeBSD exclusively to support his 
employer's Windows network, and has never been without his Apple Newton 
since 1993. He holds degrees in music and has performed regularly with 
the University of Hawaii Gamelan Ensemble for over thirty years, and 
still finds time to be a serious cyclist.


Time: 6:00 to 8:30
Date: December 18, 2007
Location: Marine Sciences Auditorium, The University of Hawaii

If you want Pizza, $8, otherwise it is Free

For directions, start here

http://tinyurl.com/yqw8cu

then use

http://www.hawaii.edu/campusmap/

and click on Marine Science [E4]

For parking, just let the attendant know that you are there for the 
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[LUAU] Pililaau Park Install - Reminder

[R. Scott Belford]

If you missed the announcement last week, just a reminder that today we 
will be at Pililaau Park installing our 3rd wireless network, with 
computers, in a City and County Park.  This one is sponsored by It's All 
About Kids.


Saturday December 15
11-3
Pililaau Park
http://tinyurl.com/22nt4p

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[LUAU] Open Source Pizza - 12-18 Open Slate

[R. Scott Belford]

Open Slate

The goal of the Open Slate Project is to transform the way computers are 
used in secondary education. Rather than fencing computers in by making 
them a subject to study, computers ought to be fully integrated into the 
educational process, as common in classrooms as textbooks and chalk 
boards. The key to success is to recognize and use the skills of the 
students. The project encompasses self-made slate computers, a 
supporting network, and a collection of educational software.


http://openslate.net

Gary Dunn is a twenty-five year veteran of the IT industry with a 
remarkable ability to make things work and a pretty good knack for 
helping people use IT. An avid user of FreeBSD since 1996 and Linux 
since 1999, Mr. Dunn has used FreeBSD exclusively to support his 
employer's Windows network, and has never been without his Apple Newton 
since 1993. He holds degrees in music and has performed regularly with 
the University of Hawaii Gamelan Ensemble for over thirty years, and 
still finds time to be a serious cyclist.


Time: 6:00 to 8:30
Date: December 18, 2007
Location: Marine Sciences Auditorium, The University of Hawaii

If you want Pizza, $8, otherwise it is Free

For directions, start here

http://tinyurl.com/yqw8cu

then use

http://www.hawaii.edu/campusmap/

and click on Marine Science [E4]

For parking, just let the attendant know that you are there for the 
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[LUAU] Tradition Continues

[R. Scott Belford]

December is the time for storied and traditional events in Honolulu - UH 
Football, Christmas Parades, the City Lights, and HOSEF workshops. 
Today is no different as you are invited to join us in Ewa Beach at the 
Boys and Girls Club from 2-5.  Today we will learn how to turn a boring 
room into a contemporary, fashionable, and quite comfortable computer 
lab using previously discarded computers and that elegant solution 
called Free and Open Source Software.


Fashion tips will be provided by other HOSEF members.  Tips like

How do I turn that old dell server into a Clonezilla box so that I can 
image the computers in my lab?


and

Firewall Fashion - shall I dress that old PII as a firewall/content filter?

and

Is it still usable? - Finding the gems in your closet using Memtest to 
determine which, if any, of your old computers are worth keeping around


and

Who are you - A client, a server, or a standalone? - Finding the true 
heart of your computers.


Christmas caroling and songs singing the lore of computers now gone are 
welcome.  We'll be here


http://tinyurl.com/33lzkw

--scott

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[LUAU] Schools and the OPM Addiction

[R. Scott Belford]

I fear that far too often good-willed and well-intending education 
advocates fail to fully understand the extent of OPM addiction in the 
American education system.  More successful advocates have learned to 
enable the use of OPM within the schools.  They fund this addiction with 
enticing technology trinkets and strong-armed contractual agreements.


OPM, Other People's Money, is a delight to use.  It feels so good, and 
it spends so well.  It is not to be confused with what most of us are 
left with, Money.  It is hard to come by, painful to spend, and there 
never seems to be enough of it.  When using OPM you'll take two of 
whatever, and make it a deluxe.  When using M, you clip coupons.


If you would like to succeed in helping most schools and education 
systems, experience shows that they need you to facilitate their OPM 
use.  You must appreciate their appetite is voracious, and that if they 
do not use their entire hoard of OPM each year, they don't get more next 
year, as promised.  Successful vendors succeed by supplying schools with 
OPM on a consistent and reliable basis.


This is where the conspiracy lies, so take it for what it is worth. 
Some vendors offer luscious, enticing hardware that everyone wants. 
Though they use some fruit as their name, they still succeed in getting 
schools to eagerly adorn themselves in their regal iJewelry. 
Understanding how important it is for the children to see their schools 
wearing only the best, the public eagerly supplies sufficient OPM 
without question.  Some is sold off to Vendors who in turn build more 
eye iJewlery.  It could be, and it does get, worse.


Sometimes the OPM trade is a bit more ugly.  For those with squeamish 
stomachs, please put down your bialy.  Some Vendors have managed to 
enslave our schools in barbed chains of sophisticated contractual 
agreements.  In order to get the DEHLENIB hardware necessary to adorn 
themselves, they must commit to consecutive years wearing the same 
undergarments.  In the past they could at least change these 
undergarments or add new hardware trinkets.  Now they are contractually 
forbidden to make such hygiene changes.  This becomes smelly.


It is true that there are some schools that are trying to Free 
themselves from this OPM addiction.  All the OPM abuse has given them 
very bad teeth, and now they need FLOSS.  They are looking for the 
kind-hearted souls out there willing to help them stay OPM Free and well 
FLOSSed. This is where many of the more benevolent among us have 
invested our passions.  However, we must appreciate that these 
recovering schools are usually the least capable of stopping the abuse 
of OPM in their districts, regardless of how noble and economical their 
story.


So to you I say learn to use OPM, but find a way to ween our blinded and 
addicted schools.  Forgive them for they know not what they do. 
Instead, show them how FLOSSing can actually help them to spend their 
OPM on other things, like more counselors and educators.  While they too 
may be OPM users, perhaps they won't be.  If properly educated, our 
youth don't have to be OPM users.


By reaching out to our youth and our college students in non-academic 
environments(1), they can see the benefits of FLOSSing instead of using 
OPM.  They will eventually be hired by those schools you have taken to 
lunch, intoxicated with OPM, and adorned with your own FLOSS filled 
Trinkets.  You never know when they may want to open them up for a 
little cleaning.


--scott

(1)http://www.youtube.com/sctinc

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[LUAU] Recovering Data When There is No Partition Table

[R. Scott Belford]

You know how they say to unmount your usb drive before ejecting it?  I
think I see why.  My wife has one of those hard drives built into a
flash form factor.  Its flaky USB enclosure fell apart, and during her
last use the partition table became corrupt.  I imagine that the data is
still there.

Has anyone encountered this and succeeded in recovering data?  It seems
that dd is the tool for dumping the data, and that something along the
lines of dd if=/dev/sdb of=/home/scott/baddisk.img

But I am currently fiddling with gpart:

Description: Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions
 Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a
 PC-type disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is
 damaged, incorrect or deleted.
 .
 It is also good at finding and listing the types, locations, and
 sizes of inadvertently-deleted partitions, both primary and logical.
 It gives you the information you need to manually re-create them
 (using fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, etc.).
 .
 The guessed table can also be written to a file or (if you firmly
 believe the guessed table is entirely correct) directly to a disk
 device.

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[LUAU] Ways to Learn and to Help

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

Saturday, November 16 we will be providing you the opportunity to learn 
and to help at two times and places.  Conveniently, they are both on the 
same map


http://tinyurl.com/33lzkw

10:00 - 2:00
Ewa Beach Community Park
North Road

We have a donated wireless network (AP from JT and Netgate), 15 station 
thin-client computer lab, and more here.  It is time for a tune-up.  If 
you want to see how we set up a park with Free Software and eWaste, this 
is a good time to stop by.  We will be completing several tasks(1) 
during this time.


2:15 - 5:00
Boys and Girls Club
Ft. Weaver at Aikanaka

Here there are 2 staff members with donated computers from us, and there 
are 4 computers in the computer lab.  All run edubuntu.  We also store 
some computers here in anticipation of future computer guts classes. 
We'll be talking story and doing some chores(2) today.



It never hurts to chip in in other ways, too.  You'll notice that we 
have a chip-in campaign underway, and it never hurts to stop by 
hosef.org and help how you can.


--scott


(1) Tasks at the park include:

Upgrading the LTSP server to Edubuntu.
Checking cables for integrity.
Replacing some NIC's with PXE cards.
Installing a new firewall/filter.
Serial connection to our WAP for an update.


(2) Clubhouse tasks include:

Determining if remaining closet computers boot, or not.
Installing firewall/filter with GUI.
Updating staff computers to Edubuntu 7.10.
Completing debian netinstall for file/drbl server.
Possibly exploring our warehouse for some more fun.

If you have tools, supplies, or something that you think will help - 
bring it.

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[LUAU] Today HOSEF will be

[R. Scott Belford]

Today

at 2 p.m.

you will find the fine folks fostering HOSEF

at the Boys and Girls Club in Ewa Beach.

We'll be around until 5.

We will be talking story and imaging computers for future projects.

Join Us here

http://tinyurl.com/33lzkw

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Re: [LUAU] Recommended FOSS network backup tool

[R. Scott Belford]

Julian Yap wrote:

Normally I use command line tools to do network backups.  eg.
rsync, mysqldump

It works but it's time for a dedicated tool to remove the
thought cycles.  Also tools can have pretty graphs.

Does anyone have any FOSS network backup tools that they swear
by?

Main requirements:
 - Simple to configure new backups
 - Supports multiple backup types.  eg. Files, MySQL, etc...
 - Creates reports.  eg. HTML pages you can look at
 - Optionally emails reports


I am not sure that it will handle requirement 2, but Backuppc is pretty 
good.


http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/info.html




Julian


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[LUAU] A Rhyme for Friday

[R. Scott Belford]

I have for you
an invitation today
to come around
and learn the HOSEF way.

The workshop, as usual.
The location, for your perusal.

http://tinyurl.com/33lzkw

The Boys and Girls Club
In Ewa Beach.  2-5

No need to beg, no need to grub.
The lesson today - how to keep alive
our donations and projects all needing your knowledge.
So come by on Saturday, we're better than college.

--scott
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Re: [LUAU] Re: [buug] nano help!!!!

[R. Scott Belford]

Angela Kahealani wrote:

the REAL holy war is vi vs emacs.




I've always heard about this one.  Is there a story behind it other than 
a pointless argument over superlatives?


The real question of this thread is did either Peter's or Antonio's 
suggestions work?  They included the inquisitor when they responded.  I 
wonder if he let either of you know if your response worked?


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[LUAU] HOSEF 51, Landfill 0 - Clonezilla announced the Winner

[R. Scott Belford]

Sunday's intstallfest, so to speak, was pretty impressive thanks to some 
great FOSS tools.  Consequently, 50 Elementary students in Isabela(1) 
will soon be learning and creating with donated computers from Hawaii. 
Pictures were taken, and they will be posted to the website soon.


Over the course of the day a garage was transformed into a computer 
workshop.  A driveway was transformed into a loading and shipping zone. 
 With computers from JALPAK Hawaii(2), boxing labor from the the group 
sponsoring the shipment(3), and a little HOSEF magic, it all worked out.


We pxe booted Clonezilla(4) from DRBL(5) to image the workstations.  It 
took about 5 minutes per computer to install a complete desktop 
operating system with education applications, an office suite, 
creativity tools, and more.  We imaged them in batches of 7, but we 
could have done all 50 at once if we had the space.  Seriously. We 
installed Edubuntu.(6)


In the past people like Time Newsham have labored pretty tirelessly to 
help with a mass install using Systemimager.  It never really worked 
well with GRUB due to the limitations of the application.  Vince 
appropriately described it as a glorified rsync system.  Nonetheless, 
those computers were completed and flown by the Air Force to an 
orphanage and women's shelter run through BYU in Cambodia.


In refurbishing and donating computers back when we did stuff at 
McKinley, we would install them by hand (using a CD) one by one.  It 
created good learning opportunities, but it was not conducive to JIT 
management.  Now we can JIT the you know what out of a pretty fair 
number of computers.


Sometimes we sounds a bit misleading.  Those of you who have come 
around for a while know that I have had a pet frog for years, and that 
the two of us combine to be we pretty often.  In the case of Sunday, 
it was Roland (a real person) and myself.  That's all, and that was plenty.


If you ever decide to come around, don't worry that you will be 
intruding on some intricate process.  I have, however, refined our 
ability to transform a previously discarded computer into a fully 
functional workstation within 20 minutes.  The more of you who I can 
encourage to become part of the we(7), the more computers we can save.


--scott


(1) Pis-Ba-Kal Elementary School (Pissay, Angadanan, Isabela)
(2) http://www.jalpak.com/
(3) Hawaii has a sister relationship with the Province of Isabela and 
Governor Grace Padaca.  Many first generation Filipino families sponsor 
the shipment of these computers.  This project was part of The Task 
Force Aloha Isabela - Hawaii Sisterhood.

(4) http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/
(5) http://drbl.sourceforge.net/
(6) http://www.edubuntu.com
(7) HOSEF needs your help organizing our many volunteer related tasks. 
If you want to help in some non-technical way, I sure need you.  I am 
quite behind in responding to many volunteer requests.



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Founder/Executive Director
The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation
P.O. Box 2644
Ewa Beach, HI 96706
808.689.6518 phone/fax
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[LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Open Mike Night - 10-16-2007

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

You are invited to HOSEF's monthly Open Source Pizza where you, the 
audience, become the presenter.  Don't be afraid, you won't be alone, 
and there will be others bold enough to get started.  Rather than 
telling you what is and is not good and bad about Free and Open Source 
Software, you can ask.  Perhaps you have the best answer.  It will be 
fun, so please join us.


Time: 6:00 to 8:30

Date: October 16, 2007

Location: Marine Sciences Auditorium, The University of Hawaii

If you want Pizza, $8, otherwise it is Free

For directions, go to

http://www.hawaii.edu/campusmap/

and click on Marine Science [E4]

For parking, just let the attendant know that you are there for the 
monthly pizza meeting.


--scott
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Re: [LUAU] Any use for a Motherboard

[R. Scott Belford]

Peter Besenbruch wrote:
I have a spare Asus ATX motherboard, with an Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 and 2 
gig of RAM. Could Luau, or Hosef use this?


It should be known that the current HOSEF demonstration and imaging box 
is using this motherboard donated by Peter.  The case is some big steel 
case donated to us a few years back by somebody.  The power supply came 
from a box fried by the earthquake.  The hard drive came from Sandy and 
Dusty before they moved on to another city.  Combined with some sweat, 
software, and ethernet, this ewaste became somebody's future.  This is 
how HOSEF rolls.


--scott






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[LUAU] Installfest of Epic Proportions

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha Folks

If the fancy strikes you, we will be installing Ubuntu Gutsy(1) to about 
50 computers today in Halawa.  They are destined for some schools in the 
province of Isabela in the Philippines.  We'll be doing most installs 
using Clonezilla(2) and/or DRBL(3).  These are Free and Open Source 
tools that exceed the power and functionality of programs like Ghost 
when it comes to bare-metal imaging of workstations.


The fun will start at 2.  We will be here

99-656 Halawa Drive

http://tinyurl.com/2elof5

HOSEF believes in building learning opportunities with Free and Open 
Source Software by re-purposing previously discarded computers.  Today 
will be a chance for you to learn or to help.


--scott

(1) http://mirrors.hosef.org/ubuntu-cd/releases/7.10/
(2) http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/
(3) http://drbl.sourceforge.net/
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[LUAU] HOSEF Weekend Activities for Oct 13-14

[R. Scott Belford]

HOSEF will be enjoying all things free and open when it comes to 
software this weekend.


Saturday you will find the ewaste re-purposing posse in Ewa Beach at the 
Boys and Girls Club where we piddle with previously discarded equipment. 
 The joys include testing a few Clonezilla servers that will be used 
for Sunday's fun.  We'll probably put an IPCop Box (firewall/filter) at 
the Clubhouse, too.  Join us if you would like.  Saturday - 2-6, here


http://tinyurl.com/33lzkw


Sunday will be a day of controlled chaos.  We are helping a Filipino 
group install edubuntu on about 50 computers that are going to their 
homeland.  This activity will take place in Halawa from around 1-7. 
Feel free to burn your own Edubuntu 7.04 CD and join us.  I expect to do 
most of this with Clonezilla and network imaging, but CD installs may be 
helpful, too.  I'll do another mailout on this once I better know the 
location.


A good time will be had by all.

--scott
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[LUAU] Children and Youth Day

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha Folks

HOSEF is involved a few activities this weekend that we'd like you to 
know about.


Saturday October 6 10-2ish

We will be conducting a less-formal weekly workshop at the Ewa Beach 
Boys and Girls Club.  The club is closed today, so the focus will be on 
getting things ready for Sunday's event at the Capitol.  You won't miss 
anything if you don't come around, but if you do, the club is at the 
corner of Fort Weaver and Aikanaka


http://tinyurl.com/33lzkw


Sunday October 7, 10-3

At the Hawaii State Capitol, you can enjoy family fun as part of 
Children and Youth Day.  The Capitol is easy to find, and parking is 
where it is.  HOSEF will be there as part of Teen Zone.  This will be on 
the Punchbowl side of the Capitol.  Please stop by to say hello.  If you 
want to spend some time manning the booth, let me know and I can get you 
a parking pass.


Until next time

--scott
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[LUAU] HOSEF Mirrors Itself

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha Y'all

HOSEF will be in two place at once this fine Saturday.  Some of our good 
volunteers will be at the Blaisdell manning an informative booth that is 
part of the Discover Recycling Fair.  From 9-4 someone will be there, 
not taking computers, mind you, but sharing what we do.


Our Saturday workshops continue, and you will find some of us, or maybe 
just me, at the Hale Pono Boys and Girls Club in Ewa Beach.  From 11-3 
the fun will include getting a few firewall/filters ready for the parks, 
imaging some computers for the Philippines, and troubleshooting our 
Tektronix 560 printer.


With fine activities such as these going on, I smell joy in the air.

--scott
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[LUAU] Open Source Pizza - September 18 - PhpGedView

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

You are welcome to join us on Tuesday, September 18 from 6:00 to 8:30 for
our monthly Open Source Pizza.

Our Speaker will be Scott Belford the founder of HOSEF (www.hosef.org)

Scott will be discussing family trees, GED files, and a web-based app
called PhpGEDview.

Growing Your Family Tree

More and more people are using genealogical software to research and
develop their family tree.  A problem quickly arises for families trying
to collaborate - who has the 'hot' copy.  Managing merges, updates, and
changes can be challenging, and the current model is not conducive to
sharing.

From the world of Free Software emerges PhpGedView

http://www.phpgedview.net

PhpGedView is a revolutionary genealogy program which allows you to view
and edit your genealogy on your website. PhpGedView has full editing
capabilities, full privacy functions, can import from GEDCOM files, and
supports multimedia like photos and document images. PhpGedView also
simplifies the process of collaborating with others working on your family
tree. Your latest genealogy information is always on your website and
available for others to see.

In September's Open Source Pizza, Scott Belford will demonstrate how easy
it is to install phpgedview on any number of publicly hosted websites, to
import your GEDCOM file, and to start growing your own family tree.


Directions: on UH Campus take Dole turn north on East West Rd. and then
the FIRST LEFT into unnamed access road to lot # 11

Mention to the guard that you are there for the Open Source Pizza
presentation and you'll be fine.

The event is free and open to everyone.  It is $8 if you want pizza and
drink after the presentation.

--scott

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808.689.6518 phone/fax
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[LUAU] Future Events for Your Pleasure

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha All

There are a few events coming up that you may want to be aware of.

HOSEF Director Scott Belford has been participating in the Mozilla24 event
this weekend, and he has had the honor to be a part of the following
activity:

http://www.soi.wide.ad.jp/soi-asia/event/20070915-mozilla/

Presentation materials are available as are some very impressive firefox
extensions.


If you are interested in learning about HOSEF's role in recycling
computers, come see us next weekend at the City's Discover Recycling Fair.
 In fact, if you have time and are want to be part of the fun, I could use
a little booth company Thursday, Friday, and/or Saturday.  Details are
here

http://envhonolulu.org/solid_waste/discover_recycling.htm


Perhaps you would like to learn more about what other governments are
doing to integrate FOSS into their national IT infrastructure.  You may be
interested in learning what else we can be doing in Hawaii, other than
just talking, to encourage STEM (science, technology, engineering,
mathematics) growth in our schools and economy.  Join HOSEF Director Scott
Belford at The University of Hawaii's Outreach College on September 26 for
the following:

Using Free and Open Source Software to Support Hawaii's Tech Future

When it comes to building a vibrant economy fueled by innovation,
entrepreneurship, and technology, talk is cheap.  Every year our
government sends millions of your dollars off island to buy software
that adds no value to the services you expect.  Exporting these dollars
perpetuate mainland software monopolies while undermining the economic
goals our elected officials profess to hold so dearly.

This discussion will cover the history, the paradigm, and the highlights
of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS).  Emphasis will be placed on the
critical role of Government, through policy and practice, to perpetuate
legislative initiatives by practicing what it preaches.  We will explore
various case studies where Governments have migrated to FOSS solutions.

Sep 26 • Wed • 7:00-9:00pm • Yukiyoshi Room, Krauss Hall 012 •
Free • Call 956-8244 for information


If you just want to have some fun, spend some time outside, and take part
in a great event at the State Capitol, then mark your calendar for Sunday,
October 7.  HOSEF and a few thousand other good people will be there, and
you are welcome to join us in our booth.


--scott



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[LUAU] Helping HOSEF and Seeing Thunder(birds)

[R. Scott Belford]

Howdy Do

Just a quick heads up that we are getting our Saturday workshops back 
into fuller gear, and they are now in Ewa at the Boys and Girls Club


91-884 Fort Weaver Rd
Ewa Beach, HI 96706

the google map link is a bit long, so I leave it to you to map it.

In general we are still re-purposing donated computers.  Some become 
firewall/filters, some become stand-alone workstations running edubuntu, 
some become servers running the K12LTSP.  All are tested with memtest, 
most are imaged with Clonezilla, and a good time is generally had by all.


For those of you familiar with all the inventory we have held over the 
years, you should know that at months' end we will have almost nothing. 
 We are moving to the JIT model.  Need to see some pictures of how much 
stuff we are talking about?


http://www.hosef.org/gallery2/v/storage/


Should you mosey on out to Ewa today, you have the added bonus of being 
able to watch the Thunderbirds from our exclusive beach views.  After 
all, it may be hot in Ewa, but the sun always shines.


See you some Saturday in the years to come.

--scott
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[LUAU] Joyous Giving

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha All

Sunday turned out to be a wonderful install day.  We had good 
participation, we were well received, and the work went smoothly. 
Wilson Chan and others from the City donated time and expertise for the 
cable runs which, by the way, can be the worst part of an install.  With 
these gracious folks, it was a cakewalk.


KHON came out for a few pictures, and KITV did a marvelous piece that 
focused on precisely what we care most about - getting computers into 
the hands of those without.  A few more reports are in the works.  For 
now, enjoy this. (Please note that this video is in the most restrictive 
of formats.  We will make another available soon)


http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/video/14079750/index.html

--scott

Don't forget that there is more to come.  We have a few installs soon at 
Kailua Intermediate, our Saturday workshops continue in Ewa, and more 
parks are in the works.  Security and maintenance will continue at the 
existing parks, and your assistance is welcomed.  For now Wilson and I 
are tending to this.





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[LUAU] Free Access in the Parks

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha All

Most of you know what HOSEF does.  For those who do not, let me provide
a quick reminder.  We build educational opportunities around previously
discarded computers and Free Software.  For the past 5 years we have
kept thousands for computers from the landfill, provided countless hours
of free classes and workshops, and done our best to change lives for the
better.

We are beginning a new initiative, and with your help we will be coming
to a park near you.  We are putting free computers and wireless Internet
in our City parks.  First we did Ewa, then we did Kalihi, and this
Sunday we will be adding Nanakuli and Maile to the list.  In the months
to come we will be seeking sponsors and members to help us put the same
setup in all parks on the island of Oahu.

It's a very simple project ripe with opportunities to help.  You can
help us on Saturdays at the Boys and Girls Club in Ewa Beach where we
receive, test, and prepare the computers.  You can help us on
installation days.  We need volunteers willing to stop by the parks to
check on things after the computers are installed.  If you are
interested in advanced skills, we can use assistance monitoring our
sites with tools like Nagios.  We also need more HOSEF membership so
that we can fund the ISP connections.

Opportunities will be coming fast and furious.  For this weekend, 
September 8 and 9, you can take part in our activities at the following

times

Saturday, September 8 - Hale Pono Boys and Girls Club - Ewa Beach
1:00 - 5:00 p.m. - Getting the computers and supplies ready
No skills needed.  Anyone can be helpful.

Sunday, September 9 - Nanakuli Beach Park - Nanakuli
11:00 - 2:00 - Cabling and Installing 4 Computers
Help needed carrying things, plugging things in, and cabling

Sunday, September 9 - Maile District Park - Maile (off St. Johns Road)
2:00 - 5:00 - Cabling and Installing 4 Computers
Help needed carrying things, plugging things in, and cabling

Upcoming projects include

1. Two more computer labs at Kailua Intermediate
2. Children and Youth Day at the State Capitol
3. Discover Recycling Fair at the Blaisdell
4. Park Installations across Oahu
5. Senior Citizen computer classes in Ewa


If you will make it, drop me a note.  If you want to help transport a 
few things from our Ewa warehouse to the parks Sunday, let me know. Hope 
to See You Around


--scott


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Re: [LUAU] Suggestion on LVD 5.25 inch mounting kit?

[R. Scott Belford]

Brian Chee wrote:

I've got a pair of nice fast LVD SCSI drives (normally used in hotswap bays)
that I'd like to use on my machine with SCSI on the motherboard where the
data and power are separate connectors.

 


Does anyone have a suggestion on some internal drive bays? I'd like to go
two units stacked on top of each other.


I like the SuperMicro Canisters with the SAFTE backplane.



 


The drives are:

Seagate Cheetah Ultra320's and it's going onto the onboard Ultra320
interfaces on my Super Micro motherboard.

 


/brian chee


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Re: [LUAU] Any use for a Motherboard

[R. Scott Belford]

Peter Besenbruch wrote:

R. Scott Belford wrote:

Peter Besenbruch wrote:
I have a spare Asus ATX motherboard, with an Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 
and 2 gig of RAM. Could Luau, or Hosef use this?


I'll repost this, as I have not had any follow-through with this. Scott 
did answer, I answered to his e-mail address, but never heard from him.




Ummm, okay, sorry about that.  We left it at clarifying what island you 
are on.  Is this something you can bring to Ewa?  HOSEF can put it to 
use if you would like the tax deduction, etc..


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Re: [LUAU] Any use for a Motherboard

[R. Scott Belford]

Peter Besenbruch wrote:
I have a spare Asus ATX motherboard, with an Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 and 2 
gig of RAM. Could Luau, or Hosef use this?


Aloha Peter

We are about to do a Kernel upgrade on hosef.org, and shortly thereafter 
we will be doing a full OS re-install, possibly with CentOS.  Your Mobo 
would be an upgrade, with respect to speed and RAM, to what we currently 
have.  So, yes.


Another use would be as a thin-client server.  Are you on Oahu?

Thanks for offering.

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[LUAU] Your Volunteer Help is Needed

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha

As we pass the halfway point of 2007, I would like to let you know that 
silently but surely the work of HOSEF continues.  In addition to our 
monthly Open Source Pizzas, we are about to or have shipped a total of 
250 computers to schools in the Philippines this year.  A donation of 
laptops for American Samoa is forthcoming.  Our Senior classes have 
continued at McKinley, as have our Computer Guts workshops at the Boys 
and Girls Club in Ewa.  We've also been providing the debian based proxy 
filter and wireless hardware for a growing number of wireless projects 
for our City parks.


It is hard to know how to help.  I understand.  Tomorrow, Saturday, July 
7, we have an easy opportunity for you to lend a hand, literally.  After 
3.5 years of service to the McKinley Community School for Adults, we are 
moving forward.  Your assistance in relocating our computer assets would 
be much appreciated.  We are moving, and I can use your help.


If you have the time, the will, and perhaps a cart, feel free to come by 
McKinley between 10 and 2.  We'll be loading the truck, and any and all 
help would be appreciated.  Once loaded the assets will be transported 
to a storage facility in Ewa.


Please email me if you will make it.  Our weekly workshops and classes 
will resume shortly with a new partner.  We'll let you know.


--scott


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Re: [LUAU] Google calendar?

[R. Scott Belford]

Julian Yap wrote:

On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 14:45 -1000, Dave Burns wrote:

Next question - why aren't the Saturday McKinley events or computer guts
etc. on this calendar? Board meetings? 


Because HOSEF is currently a small volunteer organization.  The number
of people actively involved with organizing events can be counted on one
hand.  Everyone works full time and everyone contributes to HOSEF as
much as they can.

But in the end, things don't happen without human intervention.


Thanks David and J. David, for asking about events.  I used to be 
profoundly diligent about updating members and our calendar on our 
activities.  Ironically, we have more going on now than we used to. 
HOSEF really needs a bard and a scribe to take care of documenting and 
announcing our activities.  In the mean time I'll work on getting more 
information online.





I usually have a conflict on
Saturdays, and I have trouble finding out what else is going on. Well, I
used to, but I just gave up a while back.


Try sending an email to HOSEF-Managers.

- Julian


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Re: [LUAU] Google calendar?

[R. Scott Belford]

J. David Beutel wrote:
Julian's webcal URL looks good.  It's by Drupal and I just noticed some 
nice calendar pages on www.hosef.org (also by Drupal, I assume).  On the 
web site's calendar, there are some events in the coming months, but the 
webcal seems to be limited to 1 month from today (despite the all/all in 
its URL).  Is this intentional (e.g., because later events are still 
tentative or something)?


Please don't take this as a criticism or task.  It's not a problem for 
me, even if it's unintentional.  The calendar integration looks pretty 
young.  E.g., http://drupal.org/node/97294  But good enough to use already.


You just nailed the systemic reason why the calendar is not quite as 
active as it used to be.  We ran postnuke for years, and it had a 
*great* calendar.  I could do things like enter recurring events, and 
you could see years in advance and behind.


For security reasons we moved to Drupal.  The calendar is adequate, but 
we have not yet bonded.  Julian shared some tricks for entering 
recurring events (importing a CSV), but I have not spent any time with 
it.  I have not satisfied the spirit of FOSS by contacting the 
developers to see how we could help to make it better.  Soon, perhaps.




If anyone is looking for ways to encourage attendance at HOSEF events, I 
suggest putting the webcal URL on the calendar page, in the email 
announcements, etc.  If people subscribe to it, so they see it on their 
regular calendar (e.g., Google calendar), then it becomes another 
ongoing, effective channel for promoting the events.


Excellent suggestion, David.  Keep them coming.



Cheers,
11011011


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[LUAU] Software, Sovereignty, and Soul

[R. Scott Belford]

Software, Sovereignty, and Soul

With: Scott Belford
Info: Jun 27 • Wed • 7:00-9:00pm • Yukiyoshi Room, Krauss Hall 012 • 
Free • Call 956-8244 for information.


How can something so boring as software have anything to do with 
personal character, values, and self-reliance? To many it of course does 
not. For a growing global group of software users and developers, the 
motivation behind creating software is more about collaboration, 
excellence, and freedom. How do you compete against someone who is 
intrinsically motivated to be better, and how can you, your business, or 
your employer benefit from Free and Open Source Software?


The talk covers the history and the paradigm of Free and Open Source 
Software. Case studies are discussed, practical examples provided. Free 
copies of gnu/Linux software are made available.


Scott Belford has been using gnu/Linux since 1994. He is the founder and 
executive director of the Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation. 
Leveraging his MBA and years of supporting deployments of 
mission-critical Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) systems, Belford 
specializes in making a compelling case for FOSS to technical and 
non-technical audiences alike.



http://www.outreach.hawaii.edu/pnm/programs/2007/EVENT-EV009096L.asp
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[LUAU] Upcoming Projects for Your Pleasure

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha Folks

Believe it or not we are still at McKinley every Saturday from 10-2 
turning the wheel of ewaste refurbishment and learning about all things 
free and open source.  Already this year we have shipped 60 computers to 
the Philippines, graduated several children from Computer Guts, and 
donated a few computers to individuals in need.


Tomorrow we are putting 6 computers at the Seagull School in Ewa Beach. 
 We'll do this from 3 to 5ish.  We have been using Edubuntu for our 
stand-alone installs lately.


We are currently processing another 120 computers to be shipped to the 
Philippines.  By using Clonezilla and good old fashioned hand installs, 
we are getting many machines ready.  It's good fun and you are always 
welcome to join us.


We have also been working with the City to put free wireless in many 
parks.  Where possible, we donate a computer lab.  Where it is not 
possible, we have been installing a dansguardian/ipcop box.  It's easy 
to build, and we have many more to do.  Never hesitate to join us on a 
Saturday and build your own ipcop box.


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Re: [LUAU] Floppy drive not mounting / found

[R. Scott Belford]

Scott E Foulk wrote:

Aloha,
  One of our teachers, Derek Esibill, is trying to get his floppy drive 
to work on his LTSP server.  Any ideas why it suddenly would not work?  It is a 
standard type of fd, not USB.



Is the floppy light coming on when trying to mount or format the floppy?



Also, can anyone recommend a video card for his server?  He is looking for a 
higher-end card, preferably with 2 out ports so he can simultaneously use the 
projector and see the image on his screen.  If there is such a thing as a video 
signal splitter, then a one port output would be fine.



A matrox dual-head video card.  We have some if you want one, Scott.

Thanks for any and all assists. 


Scott


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[LUAU] PHP/MySQL Code Generator

[R. Scott Belford]

Is there a free and open source toll that can be used to generate
PHP/MySQL code? Someone has asked me about this; they want to use it to
build quick apps.

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Re: [LUAU] From the Star Bulletin

[R. Scott Belford]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Peter Besenbruch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


I thought I would pass on this little snippet from today's paper:

Ewa Beach basks in free Wi-Fi


What did you all use for your wireless gear and is there any throttling of the
bandwidth going on? Could there be any legal repercussions if someone is
downloading illegal content or inappropriate material that could be seen by
passersby?


Jim donated the Wireless Access Point.  Wilson Chan spent the better 
part of a day helping to pull cable.  Jim and I terminated the cable. 
One of my friends from the Boys and Girls Club helped me to set up the 
computers.  Some photos are here


http://www.hosef.org/gallery2/v/installations/ewabeachpark/

There has not yet been a need to throttle bandwidth.  It took about a 
year to get approval for this, and there were a lot meetings involved. 
One of the assurance we gave the CC was that the bad sites would be 
blocked.  We are not in a position to be cavalier about this.  Members 
of our neighborhood board have pressed me on the issue.  DansGuardian 
and Squidguard are taking care of it through transparent proxying.  The 
K12LTSP makes this very easy.  Tim Newsham has offered to help keep an 
eye on things.




I would like to maybe try to get our LUG up here to start doing some of the
things I have been watching you all do for the past few years.


If we can do it, you can do it.



Just wondering,

Jon


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Re: [LUAU] From the Star Bulletin

[R. Scott Belford]

Jim Thompson wrote:
 
 On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:04 AM, R. Scott Belford wrote:
 One of the assurance we gave the CC was that the bad sites would be
 blocked.  We are not in a position to be cavalier about this.  Members
 of our neighborhood board have pressed me on the issue.  DansGuardian
 and Squidguard are taking care of it through transparent proxying. 
 The K12LTSP makes this very easy.  Tim Newsham has offered to help
 keep an eye on things.
 
 When Scott says we here, he doesn't include me.
 
 Note that:
 
 1) I don't believe in filtering, as filtering makes *you* (the filterer)
 responsible for any/all content that gets through.
 2) since no filtering is perfect, you will get sued.
 3) I don't like censorship of any kind.
 4) I had *nothing* to do with setting this part up, or maintaining it. 
 Nor will I in the future.
 5) You can't build community without privacy.

At any rate, this was the compromise we made to get the wireless network
in place.  I explained to the decision-makers that it was not perfect
and that blocking sites was a cat and mouse game.  We will not get sued.

In order to achieve some goal of community wireless here in Ewa, this is
what we, or I, or whatever, did.  So be it.  Should you pursue similar
goals, Jon, then be advised that you may be asked to make a similar
compromise.  We are using a City funded DSL connection and an AP on City
property, so we cannot make our own rules.

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Re: [LUAU] furthering the drive away from Windows at all costs

[R. Scott Belford]

Jim Thompson wrote:
 Microsoft plans to go after mid-sized businesses which it suspects of
 using illegal copies.
 
 http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=8235
 
 Microsoft will take a new approach toward mid-size companies it
 suspects of using unlicensed software, sending a series of letters
 culminating in a threat of legal action from the Business Software
 Alliance (BSA), a company official said today.

Mid-size companies - this is essentially our economic backbone.  I guess
if they leave the SMBs alone, some will be overlooked.

 
 
 Perhaps its time for HOSEF to issue a press release.

I've been thinking about this for a while, and you are right.  I just
watched Bill Gates on The Daily Show, and, well, there really must be a
better way.  Microsoft is about to get a lot of free press and media.
I'll work on drafting something.

 
 jim

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Re: [LUAU] Computers for Samoa Schools

[R. Scott Belford]

Jacques L. Yerby wrote:

Aloha,

I was listening to NPR today and heard a story about a local group that is 
collecting and sending somputers to Samoa for their schools.


Yes.  We donated most of the computers Shawn sent a few years ago.

http://www.aces-samoa.org/sponsors.htm

Unfortunately we disagreed about using Free and Open Source Software on 
them, and they were shipped with Windows.  Not very sustainable or 
legal.  As I was told, to paraphrase, 'these kids will be lucky to get 
off the farm and work at some retail store, so the OS does not matter.' 
 I had, and still have, higher expectations.


For what it is worth, HOSEF has sent FOSS powered computers to a 
Catholic Church in the Philippines.  New Years weekend in 2005 HOSEF 
prepared computers for an orphanage and a shelter that rescues women 
from the sex trade in Cambodia.  Tim Newsham helped a lot with that. 
Currently we have packaged 40 of 100 computers that we are sending to 
the Philippines.


I am not the best at self-promotion.



More information at:

http://www.aces-samoa.org/

Jacques
Honolulu


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[LUAU] PTC Email Garden

[R. Scott Belford]

Aloha Folks

For the third year running, HOSEF will be setting up and managing the 
Email Garden for the Pacific Telecommunications Council's annual 
conference.  The event's website is here


http://ptc07.org/

If you have some time between the 12th and the 17th, your volunteer 
assistance in setting up or tending the lab would be much appreciated 
and needed.  In exchange for your time we can arrange for you to attend 
the event and exhibition.  It's a pretty impressive event.  Some 
pictures from the past are here


http://www.hosef.org/gallery2/v/PTC/

If you have time and can help, let me know.

--scott

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