[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baron concerto for lute and recorder
Thans to everybody for the information! Andrea Il giorno 12/giu/11, alle ore 22:43, henk...@matuka.nl ha scritto: Hey Andrea, I suppose that would be the Brussels Manuscript http://www.alamirefoundation.org/en/publications/ernst-gottlieb-baron-sylvius-leopold-weiss-music-lute-%E2%80%A6-brussel-koninklijke-bibliotheek http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Ernst_Gottlieb_Baron/Baron.htm Regards, Henk-Jan de Jong On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:31:03 +0200, Andrea Damiani wrote: Dear friends do you know anything about the source of the Baron d minor Concerto for lute and recorder published by Seicento Ed? No information is available in this edition and the lute part sounds very much as if it were Weiss. Any help? Thanks a lot Andrea To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] bandora tunes
I've got the Lute Society's bandora on loan. It's a nice instrument. used to have one years ago but I'd forgotten how difficult it is to get these things tolerably in tune. Here's a go at three very short pieces from Thomas Brown's 'Bandore and lyra viol book' (about which I know nothing), copied out years ago by Donald Gill. (And thanks to Peter Forrester). The tuning isn't quite right - but not too far out, I hope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGcIA8EUX8 and here's a couple of RT's uke tunes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f22GLlsLZug Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Baroque Tutor
Hello Mark, I have not used Yisreal's tutor, but the Toyohiko Satoh is a good learning tool, but his technique has changed since he wrote it many years ago. There is also Stefan Lundgren's Baroqeu Lute tutor, which I find very nice. he has translated the teachings of the Gaultier's, Mouton, Gallot, and leSage de Richeel. ed At 10:07 PM 6/12/2011, Mark Probert wrote: Hello, dear collective wisdom... I am about to embark on a Baroque lute journey, first stop France and places north (think de Visee and early 17th C). Can anyone recommend any tutors for such, both period and modern? I notice that there is one by Miguel Yisreal published by Ut Orpheus, and another published by Tree courtesy of Mr Satoh. Are these of value? Any others that come to mind? Many thanks .. mark To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin
[LUTE] Re: Baroque Tutor
Dear Mark, Why not get all the tutors available, since everyone has their own method and ideas? That said, I did some work on Miguel's tutor (the introduction to French lute music) and when I got my copy of the book I was very pleasantly surprised: it has very solid information about the lute, it's history, its composers, it has in depth discussions of left-hand and right-hand technique and tone production, as well as instructions on how to do things such as change frets. Most of all, though, Miguel did a really good job of bringing together a huge amount of music from a wide variety of (often manuscript) sources that are classed into three distinct and easy to use levels of difficulty. The tutor is really quite comprehensive and not only can it get you started, but I thin it could keep you going for a long time. Best, Benjamin -- www.luthiste.com t +33 (0) 1 44 27 03 44 p/m +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Bandora tunes
Dear Stuart, Very nice playing. It's a pleasant change to hear solos played on the bandora. I would guess that the instrument you are using has unequal fretting in some sort of meantone system, because the third of the last chord of the second piece is (inevitably?) slightly sharp. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Stuart Walsh Sent: 13 June 2011 12:29 To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] bandora tunes I've got the Lute Society's bandora on loan. It's a nice instrument. used to have one years ago but I'd forgotten how difficult it is to get these things tolerably in tune. Here's a go at three very short pieces from Thomas Brown's 'Bandore and lyra viol book' (about which I know nothing), copied out years ago by Donald Gill. (And thanks to Peter Forrester). The tuning isn't quite right - but not too far out, I hope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGcIA8EUX8 and here's a couple of RT's uke tunes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f22GLlsLZug Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] new publication
At the risk of annoying the resident guitar dislikers on the list, I would like to inform you of a new publication (or 2). http://www.editionsorphee.com/solos/Delpri-variazioni.html and http://www.editionsorphee.com/solos/Haydn-fugue.html Thanks!! Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: bandora tunes
Dear Stuart, You may find a higher string tension (ie use thicker strings) will help in tuning stability. MH --- On Mon, 13/6/11, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] bandora tunes To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 13 June, 2011, 12:29 I've got the Lute Society's bandora on loan. It's a nice instrument. used to have one years ago but I'd forgotten how difficult it is to get these things tolerably in tune. Here's a go at three very short pieces from Thomas Brown's 'Bandore and lyra viol book' (about which I know nothing), copied out years ago by Donald Gill. (And thanks to Peter Forrester). The tuning isn't quite right - but not too far out, I hope. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGcIA8EUX8 and here's a couple of RT's uke tunes [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f22GLlsLZug Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGcIA8EUX8 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f22GLlsLZug 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Ear training for lute playing.
I would like to make or obtain a computer-generated MP3 file or CD for ear training, adapted to lute playing. If I make my own, besides the usual identification of intervals and chords, I would like to include identification of scales. My initial choice of scales is: major natural minor melodic minor harmonic minor dorian Is this a good set of scales for lute playing? Are other scales (ionian, phyrgian, mixolydian, etc.) important? Are there other exercises besides interval, chord, and scale identification that would be good to include in the MP3 file? I will post the resulting MP3 file online for readers of this forum to download, if/when I complete the project. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: bandora tunes
Dear Stuart, Martyn, and All, A higher string tension may make it easier to tune, but may not = be good for the instrument, if it was built to accommodate lighter strings.= In addition, raising the string tension has the effect of changi= ng the harmonic profile of the notes, with more stress on the fundamental a= nd less on the overtones. I think one of the beauties of citterns, bandoras= , and orpharions is that they accentuate these ringing harmonics, which I f= or one would not sacrifice for the sake of easier tuning. Cheers, Jim Jun 13, 2011 10:05:09 AM, hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:= Dear = Stuart, You may find a higher string tension (ie use thicker strings= ) will help in tuning stability. MH --- On Mon, 13/6/11, Stuar= t Walsh wrote: From: Stuart Walsh Subject: [LUTE] bandora tunes To: Lute Net Date: Monday, 13 June, 2011, 12:29 I've got the Lute S= ociety's bandora on loan. It's a nice instrument. used to have one years= ago but I'd forgotten how difficult it is to get these things tolerably= in tune. Here's a go at three very short pieces from Thomas Brown's 'Ba= ndore and lyra viol book' (about which I know nothing), copied out years= ago by Donald Gill. (And thanks to Peter Forrester). The tuning isn't q= uite right - but not too far out, I hope. [1]http://www.youtube.com/w= atch?v=3DipGcIA8EUX8 and here's a couple of RT's uke tunes [2]http://= www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df22GLlsLZug Stuart To get on or off this li= st see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admi= n/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/w= atch?v=3DipGcIA8EUX8 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df22GLlsLZug = 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: bandora tunes
I have found that slightly high string tension does mean that it is easier not to pull the strings just enough out of alignment so that the intonation suffers. But you also need to make sure that the instrument is up to the tension - there are lots of stories about wire-strung instruments with the bridges coming off. Before changing any strings I would play the instrument enough to make sure that it's not operator error. With all of the ones I have played (cittern, orpharions bandora) there are individual places where you have a tendency to pull fretting strings out of tune, especially with the 3rd finger. If you find it is indeed the strings, I have had the best results with strings from Andrew Hartig subsonic_vacat...@earthlink.net They had more evenly balanced tension from course to course and cost my less than NRI strings. Nancy Dear Stuart, You may find a higher string tension (ie use thicker strings) will help in tuning stability. MH --- On Mon, 13/6/11, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] bandora tunes To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 13 June, 2011, 12:29 I've got the Lute Society's bandora on loan. It's a nice instrument. used to have one years ago but I'd forgotten how difficult it is to get these things tolerably in tune. Here's a go at three very short pieces from Thomas Brown's 'Bandore and lyra viol book' (about which I know nothing), copied out years ago by Donald Gill. (And thanks to Peter Forrester). The tuning isn't quite right - but not too far out, I hope. [1][1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGcIA8EUX8 and here's a couple of RT's uke tunes [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f22GLlsLZug Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGcIA8EUX8 2. [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f22GLlsLZug 3. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Nancy Carlin Associates P.O. Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA phone 925/686-5800 fax 925/680-2582 web sites - [5]www.nancycarlinassociates.com [6]www.groundsanddivisions.info Representing: FROM WALES - Crasdant Carreg Lafar, FROM ENGLAND - Jez Lowe Jez Lowe The Bad Pennies, and now representing EARLY MUSIC - The Venere Lute Quartet, The Good Pennyworths Morrongiello Young Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA web site - [7]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGcIA8EUX8 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGcIA8EUX8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f22GLlsLZug 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ 6. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 7. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/
[LUTE] Re: My playing
On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Catherine Arnott Smith wrote: Re: come in the sense of orgasm: One of my research areas is the use of obscenity to describe health concepts, so I happen to have encountered this question before. The OED Third dates this usage to before 1650 and Partridge's Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English to 1600. I'm surprised by this, obviously, and I don't have an OED 3 or Partridge handy and won't get a chance to look at either any time soon. What examples do they give? I went electronically searching texts of Restoration comedies (noted for their loose view of sexual mores) for come and die, and had no trouble turning up sexual meanings for die and no luck finding any for come. For example, Wycherley's 1675 play The Country Wife, surely the crassest piece of sexploitation in the Restoration canon, come shows up more than a hundred times, with no sexual connotation that I can detect, while die appears only in this line, its sexual meaning obvious: And now, Madam, let me tell you plainly, no body else shall marry you by Heavens, I'll die first, for I'm sure I shou'd die after it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My playing
The digital OED 3rd, however, gives this as meaning # 17, To experience sexual orgasm. Also with off. slang. and cites a1650Walking in Meadow Green in Bp. Percy's Loose Songs (1868) , Then off he came, blusht for shame soe soone that he had endit. [A1650 means the usage predates 1650] This made me want to go and look for Bishop Percy's Loose Songs, which based on the title alone sounds like a lot of fun. I wonder if it's Thomas Percy, Bishop of Dromore and onetime chaplain to George III, collector of Percy's Reliques of Ancient English Poetry. He died in 1811, but a book like that can go through a few editions... A quick web search for Percy's Loose Songs turned up nothing but the OED cite above. But I did find the actual song, by searching the title, at: http://books.google.com/books?id=wns4IAAJpg=PA102lpg=PA102dq=%22Walking+in+a+Meadow+Green%22source=blots=edhEr4gOTSsig=ORjKQg4fovMoq5n662cF8cXabaQhl=enei=gGT2TeDGCIrCsAPI-8GyCwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=9sqi=2ved=0CEIQ6AEwCA#v=onepageq=%22Walking%20in%20a%20Meadow%20Green%22f=false and unless I much misread the second verse, the reference, far from describing ejaculation, appears to mean literally getting off the maiden after an unsuccessful attempt to deflower her. I've typed it as it appears in Poetica Erotica, p. 102-103, with inconsistent spelling and capitalization: Walking in a meadow greene, fayre flowers for to gather, where primrose rankes did stand on bankes to welcome comers thither, I heard a voice which made a Noise, which caused me to attend it, I heard a lasse say to a Ladd, Once more, none can mend it. They lay soe close together, they made me much to wonder I knew not which was wether until I saw her under. Then off her came, blusht for shame soe soone that he had endit Yet still she lyes, to him cries, Once more, none can mend it. His lookes were dull and very sad, his courage she had tamed; she bade him play the lusty lad or else he quite was shamed; then stiffly thrust, he hit me just, fear not, but freely spend it, play about at in out; once more, none can mend it. And then he thought to venter her, thinking the fit was on him; but when he came to enter her, the point turned back upon him. Yet she said, stay! go not away although the point be bended! but toot again, hit the vaine once more, none can Mend it. Then in her Armes she did him fold oftentimes she kist him, yet still his courage was but cold for all the good she wisht him; yet with her hand she made it stand so stiff she could not bend it, then anon she cries come on once more, none can mend it! Adieu, adieu, sweet heart, quoth he, for in faith I must be gone. nay, then you do me wrong, quoth she, to leave me thus alone. Away he went when all was spent, whereat she was offended; Like a Trojan true she made a vow she would have one should mend it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My playing
I don't have an OED 3 or Partridge handy OED has been deat with and gives a contemporary quote. Partridge does not, he gives 'come' as 'To experience the sexual spasm': low coll: C.19-20. Considered coarse, but it was orig. a euphemism and, in C.20, how, if the fact is to be expressed non-euphemistically, could one express it otherwise with such terse simplicity? As you can see, the book advertises itself; sheer delight! Partridge also wrote a book on interpunction, aptly entitled: 'You have a point there', a pure pleasure to read. Order it as well. More to the point. In Dowland, shouldn't we look to Italian examples like Ancor che col partire? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My playing
On 6/13/2011 12:08 PM, howard posner wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Catherine Arnott Smith wrote: Re: come in the sense of orgasm: One of my research areas is the use of obscen ity to describe health concepts, so I happen to have encountered this question b efore. The OED Third dates this usage to before 1650 and Partridge's Dictionar y of Slang and Unconventional English to 1600. I'm surprised by this, obviously, and I don't have an OED 3 or Partridge handy a nd won't get a chance to look at either any time soon. What examples do they gi ve? My university hasn't got a digital Partridge (haven't checked to see if there IS a digital Partridge, actually) but I can check that in print later and report back-- Partridge really is the authority for slang, which is the category under which obscenity usually falls. The digital OED 3rd, however, gives this as meaning # 17, To experience sexual orgasm. Also with off. slang. and cites a1650Walking in Meadow Green in Bp. Percy's Loose Songs (1868) , Then off he came, blusht for shame soe soone that he had endit. [A1650 means the usage predates 1650] This made me want to go and look for Bishop Percy's Loose Songs, which based on the title alone sounds like a lot of fun. -- Catherine Arnott Smith, PhD Assistant Professor School of Library and Information Studies Room 4255 Helen C. White Hall 600 N. Park Street, Madison, WI 53706 Phone: (608) 890-1334 Fax: (608) 263-4849 My personal website: [1]https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/casmith24/web/ *** The machine does not isolate us from the great problems of nature but plunges us more deeply into them.(Antoine de Saint-Exupery) *** Music is neither old nor modern: it is either good or bad music, and the date at which it was written has no significance whatever. (Peter Warlock - The Sackbut - 1926) -- References 1. https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/casmith24/web/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My playing
Am 13.06.2011 22:05, schrieb howard posner: Then off he came, blusht for shame soe soone that he had endit. The Reliques of Ancient English Poetry set the stage not only for Robert Burns, but also for Wordsworth and Coleridge's Lyrical Ballads. The book is based on an old manuscript collection of poetry, which Percy claimed to have rescued in Humphrey Pitt's house at Shifnal, Shropshire, from the hands of the housemaid who was about to light the fire with it. The manuscript was edited in its complete form by JW Hales and FJ Furnivall in 1867-1868. This manuscript provides the core of the work but many other ballads were found and included, some by Percy's friends Johnson, William Shenstone, Thomas Warton, and some from a similar collection made by Samuel Pepys. Percy improved 35 of the 46 ballads he took from the Folio. In the case of The Beggar's daughter of Bednal Green (Bethnal Green), he added the historical character of Simon de Montfort, Earl of Evesham. In this version the ballad became so popular that it was used in two plays, an anonymous novel, operas by Thomas Arne and Geoffrey Bush, and Carl Loewe's ballad Der Bettlers Tochter von Bednall Green. A fuller account of the history of the ballad can be found in The Green' by A. J. Robinson and D. H. B. Chesshyre. (from wikipedia.en) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
