quotes don't replace selected text
Version of a couple of weeks ago, Xforms. When text is selected, either manually or with find, it is not replaced with the double quote character. Other typed characters replace the double quotes. I'm set for the american left and right curlies. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
quotes don't replace selected text
Version of a couple of weeks ago, Xforms. When text is selected, either manually or with find, it is not replaced with the double quote character. Other typed characters replace the double quotes. I'm set for the american left and right curlies. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 02:17:43PM +0100, Ruurd Reitsma wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you check the various licenses to make sure that you have the right to distribute this? And what about the Qt license? To be honest, I have no rights to do this. So, please don't sue me ;-) The licence should be extended in the some fashion as it was extended for xforms. The question is, who should do this? Matthias Ettrich? Anyway, it's a bit of a dead end, since Trolltech won't be releasing any new non-commercial Qt libs. On the other hand, it will probably work for a while. Qt3 is not that different from Qt2. No, the current lyx license just plain isn't correct (as a legal issue). I wrote the prior qualifications a few years ago, but John replaced that with what it says now. The problem is that that's just not what the law did on the initial release. Regardless of what the current license says, xforms does not have a special status; the entire clause of the putative GPL license was put aside when Matthias released the code, saying it was GPL but inviting people to redistribute. *Any* library can be used in the same manner as xforms, and we are powerless to object or assert that clause of the GPL. But what do I know; I'm just a lawyer who contributed time to get this right only to see it wiped aside without consulting me. hawk, esq.
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:04:09PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 08:39:21AM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: I can compile it for you using latest commercial Qt3 (enterprise) as long as you put proper exclusion in the license. I have done it several times with other software, and it's perfectly OK (legal). But that would still mean you need approval of all contributors to change the licence, wouldn't it? No. Permission was never obtained to switch to the current purported license. Lyx has always had a big hole in the GPL that allows this, and the hole cannot be fixed without permission of all contributors. hawk, esq. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:24:03PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:18:02AM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: But that would still mean you need approval of all contributors to change the licence, wouldn't it? No. Permission was never obtained to switch to the current purported license. Lyx has always had a big hole in the GPL that allows this, and the hole cannot be fixed without permission of all contributors. So what do you think is the current valid license? GPL? (probably not) GPL with may be linked to xforms? GPL with may be linked to whatever? It's very close to this. I sat down, analyzed what happened, applied the law, and wrote the qualification to the license to describe what happened. I did *not* create the license; neither I nor anyone else (without consent of all developers ever) could possibly do this. The short version is that when he announced it as GPL, his actions contradicted this, and revoked the boilerplate language of the GPL that were inconsistent with his actions. Everyone that ever contributed code contributed under the actual license, not the GPL. However, as it held itself out as GPL, third parties would be able to take it as GPL (as the developers woudl be estopped from asserting the modified license). Of course I remember your complaints a while ago, but I was not too interested in licensing issues back than. So I remember you said something, but not what. Pointer to archive perhaps? My original writing came in response to the critical bug at debian (license impurity). Lars included the paragraphs sometime while I was at Iowa State, which means sometime between 1996-1999. I don't know when the change to the current, legally wrong, claim of license was made, but I suspect if we checkout from 2000 we'll find it. (we don't actually have a searchable mailing list archive from the late 90's, do we?). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:43:18PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: GPL with may be linked to whatever? It's very close to this. I sat down, analyzed what happened, applied the law, and wrote the qualification to the license to describe what happened. I did *not* create the license; neither I nor anyone else (without consent of all developers ever) could possibly do this. Sure. But when the License _is_ may be linked to whatever, and all contributors contributed under this license as you imply, wouldn't that mean there is no problem linking it to Qt? Exactly. made, but I suspect if we checkout from 2000 we'll find it. (we don't actually have a searchable mailing list archive from the late 90's, do we?). None that I am aware of, unfortunately... Well, cvs should save us all :) hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
the patch that put the license in error
Sorting through my old mail, I found this. It's John's patch that uncorrected the license. Reversing this solves the problem, as neither John nor anyone else had the legal standing to make this change. This patch should be reversed. Note that QT/xforms is not the only difference; the other clauses adress real anticipated problems. And again, the removed portions + GPL *are* the license of lyx; we have no power to change this. hawk, esq. - Forwarded message from John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:33:16 + From: John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: License on www site I propose the following to match COPYING. IT's also clearer IMHO regards john Index: about/license.php3 === RCS file: /usr/local/lyx/cvsroot/www-user/about/license.php3,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 license.php3 --- about/license.php3 2001/06/27 07:53:22 1.4 +++ about/license.php3 2001/10/30 22:28:00 @@ -12,68 +12,18 @@ h2What license applies to LyX?/h2 -pWhile LyX has been released nominally under the GPL in the past, it -has in fact never been truly GPL. Particularly, it has always been -linked to a closed source library. While some have taken a view that -such actions violate the GPL, this is a legal impossibility. The law -is quite clear that the release of the software by the original authors -and copyright holders changed the licenses. /p - p - -Rather than leaving the issue to be debated, the following -clarifications are given. This is *not* a change of license, but a -clarification of the license that LyX has always used. All patches -submitted to LyX fall under this same license./p - -p - -1) LyX is quasi-GPL software. The terms of the GPL apply save where -they conflict with this statement./p - -p - -2) There is no limitation on the license or nature of any software, -source, binary, library, or other, that may be linked to LyX, or to -which LyX may be linked. Particularly, the second full paragraph of -section 2, from 'These requirements apply to the modified work' -through 'who wrote it.' is rejected in its entirety. /p - -p - -3) There is no limitation on combining LyX source code with code -subject to any other license, provided that the LyX source remains -under this same license. Particularly, Section 3 of the GPL is -rejected in its entirety. To redistribute a modified version of LyX, -the entire source code of the modified LyX must be made available under -the terms of this license or such other licenses as apply to portions -of the original or modified code./p - -p - -4) Any other clause or interpretation of the GPL limiting the -combination of other software of any type and LyX is rejected in its -entirety, provided that the LyX code and modifications to the LyX -source code remains under this same license, or such other licenses as -apply to portions of the original or modified code./p - -p - -5) Nothing in this statement purports to alter or interpret the -license of any other software. Any combination of other software with -LyX must also meet the requirements of that software./p - - pA copy of the GNU General Public License version 2 follows./p - table width=100% border=0 - tr - td class=license/td - tdYours,/td - /tr - tr - td class=license/td - tdThe LyX Team/td - /tr - /table +The LyX license is the GPL version 2 or above. +In addition, as a special exception, the LyX Team gives permission to +link the code of this program with the XForms library (or with modified +versions of XForms that use the same license as XForms), and distribute +linked combinations including the two. You must obey the GNU General +Public License in all respects for all of the code used other than XForms. +If you modify this file, you may extend this exception to your version of +the file, but you are not obligated to do so. If you do not wish to do so, +delete this exception statement from your version. +/p + hr / h2GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE/h2 -- If the software that a company produces isn't reliable, adding a bunch of 'Mother, may I' rules to the language and the code won't fix it. - Pete Becker - End forwarded message - -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
more license posts from back then
OK, I've dug them out; here is the context of the license. Also note that it was Asger, not Lars, that committed the (correct) license. However, I was expecting one more round of editing when he did it--it's missing a clause reserving future changes to lyx rather than the FSF (would have become 5), pushing 5) to 6)). It also meant I wasn't able to get the word muttonhead in, for which I apologize once more to John Weiss :) hawk, esq. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
and the old posts from when we corrected the licensej
Argh, I didn't include before sending. Here are the old posts from my old mail, headers and all, with the discussions from when we fixed the license. I'd forgotten just how much more, uhh, perturbed John Weiss was about the High Church of Emacs than I was :) And it was Asger, not Lars, who committed the change. I'd been expecting one more round of editing, so there's a clause missing. 5) should have become 6), with the new 5) reserving the future editing to us rather than the FSF. (I wouldn't include this now; we really only get one bite at the apple on clarification). I also wasn't able to get the word muttonhead in, for which I again apologize to John Weiss :) hawk From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Aug 03 08:47:18 2002 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu (really [141.225.11.87]) by eyry.econ.iastate.edu via in.smtpd with smtp id [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:59:22 -0600 (EST) Received: (qmail 3882 invoked by uid 514); 13 Jan 1999 18:00:29 - Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-num: 1416 Received: (qmail 3870 invoked from network); 13 Jan 1999 18:00:28 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on IRIX X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:54:28 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Center for Computational Mechanics, Washington University, St. Louis Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Roland Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Richard E. Hawkins Esq. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: license clarification Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: RO Content-Length: 3243 Lines: 77 Hi My wife is a lawyer and I went to law school with her (sorta...) Anyway I have asked her earlier (in the contents of the whole Qt-KDE-GPL-RedHat mess). She pretty much said the exact same thing than you Rick. She wouldnt offer legal council even if I volunteered doing dishes for a week.. Anyway I think that you proposal sounds very reasonable even for non lawyers. A discussion with OSS enthusiasts will certainly follow but someone should really clarify this issue once and for all (of course there is no such thing in the law). Roland On 13-Jan-99 Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: While we're cleaning up, it might be a good idea to clarify the license, even if we don't switch. Regardless of our past statements, lyx is not GPL, but quasi-GPL. The act of releasing LyX under the GPL while it dependent upon xforms has two interpetations: 1) we're complete idiots and in violation of our license (the debian view :) 2) The license is modified by our actions (all Common Law (english speaking) countries, and I presume civil code countries, and I expect anywhere else where the rule of law is real). So before there's a KDE-style nightmare, I suggest language along these lines: While LyX has been released nominally under the GPL in the past, it has in fact never been truly GPL. Particularly, it has always been linked to a closed source library. While some have taken a view that such actions violate the GPL, this is a legal impossibility. The law is quite clear that the release of the software by the original authors and copyright holders changed the licenses. Rather than leaving the issue to be debated, the following clarifications are given. This is not a change of license, but a clarification of the license that LyX has always used. 1) LyX is quasi-GPL software. The terms of the GPL apply save where they conflict with this statement. 2) There is no limitation on the license or nature of any software, source, binary, library, or other, that may be linked to LyX, or to which LyX may be linked. Particularly, clauses *** of the GPL are rejected in their entirety. 3) There is no limitation on combining LyX source code with code subject to any other license, provided that the LyX source remains under this same license. Particularly, clause ** of the GPL is rejected in its entirety. 4) Any other clause or interpretation of the GPL limiting the combination of other software of any type and LyX is rejected in its entirety, provided that the LyX code and modifications to the LyX source dode remains under this same license. 5) Nothing in this statement purports to alter or interpret the license of any other software. Any combination of other software with LyX must also meet the requirements of that software. Although I'd prefer to replace the legal impossibility with only a complete muttonhead could conclude, but I suppose that would be impolitic :) rick, esq. -- Roland Krause Visiting Research Associate - Center for Computational Mechanics Washington University,
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:25:07PM +0100, Edwin Leuven wrote: the hole cannot be fixed without permission of all contributors. so why not get it and fix the license? Last time around, we figured that contacting them all would be an impossibility (we're not even sure who they are for some of the early stuff). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 02:17:43PM +0100, Ruurd Reitsma wrote: > "Jean-Marc Lasgouttes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Did you check the various licenses to make sure that you have the > > right to distribute this? And what about the Qt license? > To be honest, I have no rights to do this. So, please don't sue me ;-) > The licence should be extended in the some fashion as it was extended for > xforms. The question is, who should do this? Matthias Ettrich? > Anyway, it's a bit of a dead end, since Trolltech won't be releasing any new > non-commercial Qt libs. On the other hand, it will probably work for a > while. Qt3 is not that different from Qt2. No, the current lyx license just plain isn't correct (as a legal issue). I wrote the prior qualifications a few years ago, but John replaced that with what it says now. The problem is that that's just not what the law did on the initial release. Regardless of what the current "license" says, xforms does not have a special status; the entire clause of the putative GPL license was put aside when Matthias released the code, saying it was GPL but inviting people to redistribute. *Any* library can be used in the same manner as xforms, and we are powerless to object or assert that clause of the GPL. But what do I know; I'm just a lawyer who contributed time to get this right only to see it wiped aside without consulting me. hawk, esq.
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:04:09PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 08:39:21AM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > > I can compile it for you using latest commercial Qt3 (enterprise) as long as > > you put proper exclusion in the license. > > I have done it several times with other software, and it's perfectly OK > > (legal). > But that would still mean you need approval of all contributors to change > the licence, wouldn't it? No. Permission was never obtained to switch to the current purported license. Lyx has always had a big hole in the GPL that allows this, and the hole cannot be fixed without permission of all contributors. hawk, esq. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:24:03PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:18:02AM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > > But that would still mean you need approval of all contributors to change > > > the licence, wouldn't it? > > No. Permission was never obtained to switch to the current purported > > license. Lyx has always had a big hole in the GPL that allows this, and > > the hole cannot be fixed without permission of all contributors. > So what do you think is the current valid license? > GPL? (probably not) > GPL with "may be linked to xforms"? > GPL with "may be linked to whatever"? It's very close to this. I sat down, analyzed what happened, applied the law, and wrote the qualification to the license to describe what happened. I did *not* create the license; neither I nor anyone else (without consent of all developers ever) could possibly do this. The short version is that when he announced it as GPL, his actions contradicted this, and revoked the "boilerplate" language of the GPL that were inconsistent with his actions. Everyone that ever contributed code contributed under the actual license, not the GPL. However, as it held itself out as GPL, third parties would be able to take it as GPL (as the developers woudl be "estopped" from asserting the modified license). > Of course I remember your complaints a while ago, but I was not too > interested in licensing issues back than. So I remember you said something, > but not what. Pointer to archive perhaps? My original writing came in response to the "critical bug" at debian (license impurity). Lars included the paragraphs sometime while I was at Iowa State, which means sometime between 1996-1999. I don't know when the change to the current, legally wrong, claim of license was made, but I suspect if we checkout from 2000 we'll find it. (we don't actually have a searchable mailing list archive from the late 90's, do we?). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:43:18PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > > GPL with "may be linked to whatever"? > > It's very close to this. I sat down, analyzed what happened, applied > > the law, and wrote the qualification to the license to describe what > > happened. > > I did *not* create the license; neither I nor anyone else (without > > consent of all developers ever) could possibly do this. > Sure. > But when the License _is_ "may be linked to whatever", and all contributors > contributed under this license as you imply, wouldn't that mean there is > no problem linking it to Qt? Exactly. > > made, but I suspect if we checkout from 2000 we'll find it. (we don't > > actually have a searchable mailing list archive from the late 90's, do > > we?). > None that I am aware of, unfortunately... Well, cvs should save us all :) hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
the patch that put the license in error
Sorting through my old mail, I found this. It's John's patch that uncorrected the license. Reversing this solves the problem, as neither John nor anyone else had the legal standing to make this change. This patch should be reversed. Note that QT/xforms is not the only difference; the other clauses adress real anticipated problems. And again, the removed portions + GPL *are* the license of lyx; we have no power to change this. hawk, esq. - Forwarded message from John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:33:16 + From: John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: License on www site I propose the following to match COPYING. IT's also clearer IMHO regards john Index: about/license.php3 === RCS file: /usr/local/lyx/cvsroot/www-user/about/license.php3,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 license.php3 --- about/license.php3 2001/06/27 07:53:22 1.4 +++ about/license.php3 2001/10/30 22:28:00 @@ -12,68 +12,18 @@ What license applies to LyX? -While LyX has been released nominally under the GPL in the past, it -has in fact never been truly GPL. Particularly, it has always been -linked to a closed source library. While some have taken a view that -such actions violate the GPL, this is a legal impossibility. The law -is quite clear that the release of the software by the original authors -and copyright holders changed the licenses. - - -Rather than leaving the issue to be debated, the following -clarifications are given. This is *not* a change of license, but a -clarification of the license that LyX has always used. All patches -submitted to LyX fall under this same license. - - - -1) LyX is quasi-GPL software. The terms of the GPL apply save where -they conflict with this statement. - - - -2) There is no limitation on the license or nature of any software, -source, binary, library, or other, that may be linked to LyX, or to -which LyX may be linked. Particularly, the second full paragraph of -section 2, from 'These requirements apply to the modified work' -through 'who wrote it.' is rejected in its entirety. - - - -3) There is no limitation on combining LyX source code with code -subject to any other license, provided that the LyX source remains -under this same license. Particularly, Section 3 of the GPL is -rejected in its entirety. To redistribute a modified version of LyX, -the entire source code of the modified LyX must be made available under -the terms of this license or such other licenses as apply to portions -of the original or modified code. - - - -4) Any other clause or interpretation of the GPL limiting the -combination of other software of any type and LyX is rejected in its -entirety, provided that the LyX code and modifications to the LyX -source code remains under this same license, or such other licenses as -apply to portions of the original or modified code. - - - -5) Nothing in this statement purports to alter or interpret the -license of any other software. Any combination of other software with -LyX must also meet the requirements of that software. - - A copy of the GNU General Public License version 2 follows. - - - - Yours, - - - - The LyX Team - - +The LyX license is the GPL version 2 or above. +In addition, as a special exception, the LyX Team gives permission to +link the code of this program with the XForms library (or with modified +versions of XForms that use the same license as XForms), and distribute +linked combinations including the two. You must obey the GNU General +Public License in all respects for all of the code used other than XForms. +If you modify this file, you may extend this exception to your version of +the file, but you are not obligated to do so. If you do not wish to do so, +delete this exception statement from your version. + + GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE -- "If the software that a company produces isn't reliable, adding a bunch of 'Mother, may I' rules to the language and the code won't fix it." - Pete Becker - End forwarded message - -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
more license posts from back then
OK, I've dug them out; here is the context of the license. Also note that it was Asger, not Lars, that committed the (correct) license. However, I was expecting one more round of editing when he did it--it's missing a clause reserving future changes to lyx rather than the FSF (would have become 5), pushing 5) to 6)). It also meant I wasn't able to get the word "muttonhead" in, for which I apologize once more to John Weiss :) hawk, esq. -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
and the old posts from when we corrected the licensej
Argh, I didn't include before sending. Here are the old posts from my old mail, headers and all, with the discussions from when we fixed the license. I'd forgotten just how much more, uhh, perturbed John Weiss was about the High Church of Emacs than I was :) And it was Asger, not Lars, who committed the change. I'd been expecting one more round of editing, so there's a clause missing. 5) should have become 6), with the new 5) reserving the future editing to us rather than the FSF. (I wouldn't include this now; we really only get one bite at the apple on clarification). I also wasn't able to get the word "muttonhead" in, for which I again apologize to John Weiss :) hawk >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Aug 03 08:47:18 2002 Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu (really [141.225.11.87]) by eyry.econ.iastate.edu via in.smtpd with smtp id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:59:22 -0600 (EST) Received: (qmail 3882 invoked by uid 514); 13 Jan 1999 18:00:29 - Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-num: 1416 Received: (qmail 3870 invoked from network); 13 Jan 1999 18:00:28 - Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on IRIX X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:54:28 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Center for Computational Mechanics, Washington University, St. Louis Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Roland Krause <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Richard E. Hawkins Esq." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: license clarification Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: RO Content-Length: 3243 Lines: 77 Hi My wife is a lawyer and I went to law school with her (sorta...) Anyway I have asked her earlier (in the contents of the whole Qt-KDE-GPL-RedHat mess). She pretty much said the exact same thing than you Rick. She wouldnt offer legal council even if I volunteered doing dishes for a week.. Anyway I think that you proposal sounds very reasonable even for non lawyers. A discussion with OSS enthusiasts will certainly follow but someone should really clarify this issue once and for all (of course there is no such thing in the law). Roland On 13-Jan-99 Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: > > While we're cleaning up, it might be a good idea to clarify the > license, even if we don't switch. > > Regardless of our past statements, lyx is not GPL, but quasi-GPL. > > The act of releasing LyX under the GPL while it dependent upon xforms > has two interpetations: > 1) we're complete idiots and in violation of our license (the debian >view :) > 2) The license is modified by our actions (all Common Law (english >speaking) countries, and I presume civil code countries, and I >expect anywhere else where the rule of law is real). > > So before there's a KDE-style nightmare, I suggest language along these > lines: > > "While LyX has been released nominally under the GPL in the past, it > has in fact never been truly GPL. Particularly, it has always been > linked to a closed source library. While some have taken a view that > such actions violate the GPL, this is a legal impossibility. The law > is quite clear that the release of the software by the original authors > and copyright holders changed the licenses. > > "Rather than leaving the issue to be debated, the following > clarifications are given. This is not a change of license, but a > clarification of the license that LyX has always used. > > "1) LyX is quasi-GPL software. The terms of the GPL apply save where > they conflict with this statement. > > "2) There is no limitation on the license or nature of any software, > source, binary, library, or other, that may be linked to LyX, or to > which LyX may be linked. Particularly, clauses *** of the GPL are > rejected in their entirety. > > "3) There is no limitation on combining LyX source code with code > subject to any other license, provided that the LyX source remains > under this same license. Particularly, clause ** of the GPL is > rejected in its entirety. > > "4) Any other clause or interpretation of the GPL limiting the > combination of other software of any type and LyX is rejected in its > entirety, provided that the LyX code and modifications to the LyX > source dode remains under this same license. > > "5) Nothing in this statement purports to alter or interpret the > license of any other software. Any combination of other software with > LyX must also meet the requirements of that software." > > Although I'd prefer to replace the "legal impossibility" with "only a > complete muttonhead could conclude", but I suppose that would be > impolitic :) > > rick, esq. > > -- > Roland
Re: New LyX Win32 build 1.3.0
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:25:07PM +0100, Edwin Leuven wrote: > > the hole cannot be fixed without permission of all contributors. > so why not get it and fix the license? Last time around, we figured that contacting them all would be an impossibility (we're not even sure who they are for some of the early stuff). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
I had to do a fresh checkout to compile
I've been trying to update on two machines for several days now, with no success. I've distcleaned, and even rm -r'd the src directory. Still no luck. I've run autogen.sh and reconfigure. I've shed hair on my keyboard. Ultimately, I removed the entire directory and did a fresh checkout. It compiled without a problem. OK, now this is really odd. It failed yesterday on both machines, and I've done the fresh checkout and successful compile on the workstation. I ran gmake on the laptop so that I could include the output in this message--and this time it compiled successfully. This is on FreeBSD STABLE, xforms interface. hawk,perplexec -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
I had to do a fresh checkout to compile
I've been trying to update on two machines for several days now, with no success. I've distcleaned, and even rm -r'd the src directory. Still no luck. I've run autogen.sh and reconfigure. I've shed hair on my keyboard. Ultimately, I removed the entire directory and did a fresh checkout. It compiled without a problem. OK, now this is really odd. It failed yesterday on both machines, and I've done the fresh checkout and successful compile on the workstation. I ran gmake on the laptop so that I could include the output in this message--and this time it compiled successfully. This is on FreeBSD STABLE, xforms interface. hawk,perplexec -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
spellcheck failure
I haven't seen anything like this in a while. February 6 devel, plain old xforms (does anything else actually work, anyway?) I tried to spellcheck my file, lyx hung for about 15 seconds. gdb shows: Error: The file /home/hawk/Research/Price/price.dict is not in the proper format. Ispell read timed out, what now? Given that lyx created that dictionary file, and has been using it for weeks, something is amiss . . . OK, even worse: the file is now empty! -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
spellcheck failure
I haven't seen anything like this in a while. February 6 devel, plain old xforms (does anything else actually work, anyway?) I tried to spellcheck my file, lyx hung for about 15 seconds. gdb shows: Error: The file "/home/hawk/Research/Price/price.dict" is not in the proper format. Ispell read timed out, what now? Given that lyx created that dictionary file, and has been using it for weeks, something is amiss . . . OK, even worse: the file is now empty! -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: shorcut automatization
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 12:54:46PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, John Levon wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:59:28AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: | I have never been able to use that interface, and it buys us precisely | nothing, and costs a lot. Poor John, failed at Emacs but rules with vi. When are you vi guys going to get your acts together and put a vi-style command interface or are you quietly admitting defeat here also. :P Hey, that was the first thing that John and I agreed on! Seriously, what could be better than a hybrid that used vi editing but with lyx as a display engine, and lyx-like math/environment commands to avoid worring about the longer latex writing? As it is, I try to use real editing commands fairly often in lyx :) But the vim license and lyx license status are utterly incompatible, so it would have to be done as a script and a patch leaving people to download and compile it all themselves :( hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: shorcut automatization
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 12:54:46PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, John Levon wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:59:28AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: > > > | I have never been able to use that interface, and it buys us precisely > > > | nothing, and costs a lot. > Poor John, failed at Emacs but rules with vi. When are you vi guys > going to get your acts together and put a vi-style command interface > or are you quietly admitting defeat here also. :P Hey, that was the first thing that John and I agreed on! Seriously, what could be better than a hybrid that used vi editing but with lyx as a display engine, and lyx-like math/environment commands to avoid worring about the longer latex writing? As it is, I try to use real editing commands fairly often in lyx :) But the vim license and lyx license status are utterly incompatible, so it would have to be done as a script and a patch leaving people to download and compile it all themselves :( hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: shorcut automatization
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:43:58PM +, John Levon wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 01:41:34PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: I want default usable interfaces that do not require book-learnin' I've never seen a search-and-replace dialog that would qualify as more usable than a minibuffer based approach with a decent history. I did require some learning, though... The point is that the occassional or new user gets to use the dialog, which is (hopefully) obvious to use. As a user gets more experienced, or starts using search more heavily, the more efficient interface is there for them. Yes! (Oh, dear; I'm agreeing with John again :) This is the Mac/Windows difference. Any idiot can sit down and use either (ok, today's windows; not older ones). Mac tends to have other and more efficient ways of doing things as you get experience--oddly, these stem from early MS products for mac, the company which has been systematically forcing everyone to stay in beginner mode. I'm not going to be able to sit someone down in front of LyX and convince them to try it if I have to do a minibuffer instead of a dialog search (unless it's someone accustomed to either emacs or a real editor to start with :). You keep people who ar able to find more efficient ways of doing things (which go into finger memory). Lyx has three major advantages that I see over latex at the moment: 1) You can see your complicated equations, and coherently edit them. 2) Less keystrokes than latex for the same effect (including auto-termination). 3) You can sit down at it with no training. The first is big for new and experienced users; the second keeps experienced users, and the third catches new users. hawk, who would still like the vi interface to lyx :) Efficiency is not exactly equal to usability. Rather, efficiency is (an important part) of the whole package regards, john -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: shorcut automatization
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:08:25AM +0100, Alfredo Braunstein wrote: If you want my opinion, I think shorcuts are useful when they are on the first letter. With some effort I can use if they are on the first letter of the second word, but if I have to find the underlined letter in the middle then I better tab out or click with the mouse. M-c c i I have no idea why anyone would associate that with insert columnt, but after doing a bunch from the menu, I finally noticed it, and it sure helps. Intuitive ones are nice (and again I'll mention early ms software for mac; I was using commands I'd never heard of!), but available sure beats the rodent if you have to do it a lot . . . hawk
Re: shorcut automatization
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:00:49PM +0100, Alfredo Braunstein wrote: Christian Ridderstr?m wrote: Insert-List TOC O etc I know. The question was if there are examples of 'natural' letter which aren't the first one. Are those of your example particularly better than choosing the first 'unused' one? absolutely. His stay put when someone adds a feature higher up the menu, or earlier in the alphabet. There afe few things worse than the commands in your application changing with each release (this is where MS started losing it in the mac market). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: shorcut automatization
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:43:58PM +, John Levon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 01:41:34PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > I want default usable interfaces that do not require book-learnin' > > I've never seen a search-and-replace dialog that would qualify as "more > > usable" than a minibuffer based approach with a decent history. > > I did require some learning, though... > The point is that the occassional or new user gets to use the dialog, > which is (hopefully) obvious to use. As a user gets more experienced, or > starts using search more heavily, the more efficient interface is there > for them. Yes! (Oh, dear; I'm agreeing with John again :) This is the Mac/Windows difference. Any idiot can sit down and use either (ok, today's windows; not older ones). Mac tends to have other and more efficient ways of doing things as you get experience--oddly, these stem from early MS products for mac, the company which has been systematically forcing everyone to stay in beginner mode. I'm not going to be able to sit someone down in front of LyX and convince them to try it if I have to do a minibuffer instead of a dialog search (unless it's someone accustomed to either emacs or a real editor to start with :). You keep people who ar able to find more efficient ways of doing things (which go into finger memory). Lyx has three major advantages that I see over latex at the moment: 1) You can see your complicated equations, and coherently edit them. 2) Less keystrokes than latex for the same effect (including auto-termination). 3) You can sit down at it with no training. The first is big for new and experienced users; the second keeps experienced users, and the third catches new users. hawk, who would still like the vi interface to lyx :) > Efficiency is not exactly equal to usability. Rather, efficiency is (an > important part) of the whole package > > regards, > john -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: shorcut automatization
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:08:25AM +0100, Alfredo Braunstein wrote: > If you want my opinion, I think shorcuts are useful when they are on the > first letter. With some effort I can use if they are on the first letter of > the second word, but if I have to find the underlined letter in the middle > then I better tab out or click with the mouse. M-c c i I have no idea why anyone would associate that with "insert columnt," but after doing a bunch from the menu, I finally noticed it, and it sure helps. Intuitive ones are nice (and again I'll mention early ms software for mac; I was using commands I'd never heard of!), but "available" sure beats the rodent if you have to do it a lot . . . hawk
Re: shorcut automatization
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:00:49PM +0100, Alfredo Braunstein wrote: > Christian Ridderstr?m wrote: > > Insert->List & TOC > > O > I know. The question was if there are examples of 'natural' letter which > aren't the first one. Are those of your example particularly better than > choosing the first 'unused' one? absolutely. His stay put when someone adds a feature higher up the menu, or earlier in the alphabet. There afe few things worse than the commands in your application changing with each release (this is where MS started losing it in the mac market). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: shorcut automatization
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 07:40:06PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: Alfredo Braunstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I'm wondering... Maybe it's a stupid idea, but it seems to me that it would | not be so difficult to set up a pair of shell scripts to automatically | assign unique shorcuts to ui elements (menus, dialogs, etc). Like taking | the first unused letter of the word. Not so flexible, but | consistent. What I'd rather do is to remove most of the shortcuts from dialogs, and have the user use tab to move around. Not everything needs a shortcut. ??? Heresy! You are talking about extra keystrokes, and forcing poeple to watch the dialog. Also, the sequence of keystrokes will change as the dialogs change. ack! Evil! hawk, keystroke whore -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: shorcut automatization
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 07:40:06PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: > Alfredo Braunstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | I'm wondering... Maybe it's a stupid idea, but it seems to me that it would > | not be so difficult to set up a pair of shell scripts to automatically > | assign unique shorcuts to ui elements (menus, dialogs, etc). Like taking > | the first unused letter of the word. Not so flexible, but > | consistent. > What I'd rather do is to remove most of the shortcuts from dialogs, > and have the user use tab to move around. > Not everything needs a shortcut. ??? Heresy! You are talking about extra keystrokes, and forcing poeple to watch the dialog. Also, the sequence of keystrokes will change as the dialogs change. ack! Evil! hawk, keystroke whore -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
a used as accellerator twice in insert graphics dialog
a is used as the accellerator/shortcut for both Draft mode and Apply in the insert graphics dialog. It causes draft mode; the correct behavior would be Applay, just like everywhere else. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
indent as default in floats makes no sense
After unindenting lots of floats, it finally occurred to me: Even when indentation is used for paragraph breaks in the body, it makes no sense to indent within a float--the preference should be overridden. The nature of the float is that it's its own thing away from the text. I've tried, but cannot conceive of a situation where it makes sense for a table or figure to be indented by the same amount as a paragraph. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
mouse needed before keys in insert reference
While it is possible to change the selection in insert-reference with the up/down keys, this cannot be done until the mouse is moved into the scroll-window (is that the right term?). This is odd and frustrating. If the keys are ususable, home/end and pageup/down should probably also work. hawk, busy today :) -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
preview option gone in graphics dialog
The new tabbed design is nice, but the wonderful old preview button is gone! hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
a used as accellerator twice in insert graphics dialog
"a" is used as the accellerator/shortcut for both "Draft mode" and "Apply" in the insert graphics dialog. It causes draft mode; the correct behavior would be Applay, just like everywhere else. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
indent as default in floats makes no sense
After unindenting lots of floats, it finally occurred to me: Even when indentation is used for paragraph breaks in the body, it makes no sense to indent within a float--the preference should be overridden. The nature of the float is that it's its own thing away from the text. I've tried, but cannot conceive of a situation where it makes sense for a table or figure to be indented by the same amount as a paragraph. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
mouse needed before keys in insert reference
While it is possible to change the selection in insert-reference with the up/down keys, this cannot be done until the mouse is moved into the scroll-window (is that the right term?). This is odd and frustrating. If the keys are ususable, home/end and pageup/down should probably also work. hawk, busy today :) -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
"preview" option gone in graphics dialog
The new tabbed design is nice, but the wonderful old "preview" button is gone! hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: irritating spam
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 03:39:32PM +, Angus Leeming wrote: How do we contact Mate to get him to filter out all these messages from big at boss dot com. I though that he had a spam filter set up. In fact, he must do because this irritating bugger is the only one to get through more than once. I just noticed that his continued presence is starting to piss me off ;-) I actually have a line for that addres in my filters that catches both the direct spam and the stuff that comes here. The only address I've been bothered to do that for (thouhg once I get a few minutes to understand one I found that checks for 90% 8 bit high characters . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: irritating spam
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 04:41:18PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:35:29AM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: I actually have a line for that addres in my filters that catches both the direct spam and the stuff that comes here. The only address I've been bothered to do that for (thouhg once I get a few minutes to understand one I found that checks for 90% 8 bit high characters . . . Nevertheless, these mails are fairly big, so this is annoying... I never notice the size, sitting on top of a fat connectio :) Oh, and unlike everything else which goes to a spam folder, his go to /dev/null . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: irritating spam
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 03:39:32PM +, Angus Leeming wrote: > How do we contact Mate to get him to filter out all these messages > from big at boss dot com. I though that he had a spam filter set up. > In fact, he must do because this irritating bugger is the only one to > get through more than once. > I just noticed that his continued presence is starting to piss me off > ;-) I actually have a line for that addres in my filters that catches both the direct spam and the stuff that comes here. The only address I've been bothered to do that for (thouhg once I get a few minutes to understand one I found that checks for 90% 8 bit high characters . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: irritating spam
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 04:41:18PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:35:29AM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > I actually have a line for that addres in my filters that catches both > > the direct spam and the stuff that comes here. The only address I've > > been bothered to do that for (thouhg once I get a few minutes to > > understand one I found that checks for 90% 8 bit high characters . . . > Nevertheless, these mails are fairly big, so this is annoying... I never notice the size, sitting on top of a fat connectio :) Oh, and unlike everything else which goes to a spam folder, his go to /dev/null . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: [PATCH] lyx2lyx helper
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 03:05:28PM +, John Levon wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:38:40AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Why not use the same option for specifying either a lyx version or a file format? It is not like we are going to release LyX 215 one of these days... Well, given that lyx changes its release numbering scheme every release Hey, can the next one be 1.IV? -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: [PATCH] lyx2lyx helper
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 03:05:28PM +, John Levon wrote: > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:38:40AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Why not use the same option for specifying either a lyx version or a > > file format? It is not like we are going to release LyX 215 one of > > these days... > Well, given that lyx changes its release numbering scheme every release > Hey, can the next one be 1.IV? -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: footnote numbering [was: Re: footnotes preview in lyx-1.3]
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:11:59PM +0100, Edwin Leuven wrote: even if the number of footnotes is not overwhelming, going from paper corrections (can you change this in footnote 6) to the right place in lyx is a bit of a hassle... It occurs to me that in the cases where footnote numbering would be useful, numbering the footnotes that exist on loading the document would be sufficient--these are the only ones that can already be on paper or in someone else's hands . . . in fact, it would seem to be more useful *not* to update numbering after opening the document . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: footnote numbering [was: Re: footnotes preview in lyx-1.3]
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:11:59PM +0100, Edwin Leuven wrote:
> even if the number of footnotes is not overwhelming, going from paper
> corrections ("can you change this in footnote 6") to the right place in lyx
> is a bit of a hassle...
It occurs to me that in the cases where footnote numbering would be
useful, numbering the footnotes that exist on loading the document would
be sufficient--these are the only ones that can already be on paper or
in someone else's hands . . . in fact, it would seem to be more useful
*not* to update numbering after opening the document . . .
hawk
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more thoughts on including documents
I'm partially thinking out loud here, so bear with me as I say stupid things :) As I'm understanding them right now, all forms of include and insert actually make the other document part of the current document. What would be really useful in many circumstances (such as what I'm working in right now) would be the ability to include the output of the other file, rather than it's contents. For example, I want Appenix C to be the syllabus for my class. To make the final document, I'm going to have to break apart my document into the main body and the separator pages for the appendices, making a postscript file for each (with gv save as, I suppose). and then use psmerge to put syllabii and such into the single output file. It would be useful to have something like an include that would cause the processing of the document to stop, the output of the included document inserted, and then processing of the original document again. But as I think this over, this would stil have the tex problem of having multiple titles and the like. OK, so maybe this is really a tex problem, and not a lyx one; I'm not sure. But it would be such a useful thing to be possible, that I thought I'd toss it out. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
more thoughts on including documents
I'm partially thinking out loud here, so bear with me as I say stupid things :) As I'm understanding them right now, all forms of include and insert actually make the other document part of the current document. What would be really useful in many circumstances (such as what I'm working in right now) would be the ability to include the output of the other file, rather than it's contents. For example, I want Appenix C to be the syllabus for my class. To make the final document, I'm going to have to break apart my document into the main body and the separator pages for the appendices, making a postscript file for each (with gv "save as", I suppose). and then use psmerge to put syllabii and such into the single output file. It would be useful to have something like an include that would cause the processing of the document to stop, the output of the "included" document inserted, and then processing of the original document again. But as I think this over, this would stil have the tex problem of having multiple titles and the like. OK, so maybe this is really a tex problem, and not a lyx one; I'm not sure. But it would be such a useful thing to be possible, that I thought I'd toss it out. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
section/chapter names lost on html conversion
I've tried this with export-html, tth, and latex2html, and in both article and book format. The top level (chapter or section) names are lost on conversion; instead they show as the title of the document--and navigate back to themselves. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: section/chapter names lost on html conversion
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 10:58:56PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: Dr. Richard E. Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I've tried this with export-html, tth, and latex2html, and in both | article and book format. What I like to know is if the crash you saw yesterday was fixed by my patch! Oh, it didn't crash. It just wiped out the entire file with no way to recover, and with undo nhot working right. But the program was still running :) Sorry about that, I've been putting out fires. It just finished recompiling. Is it? Nope. I did firstline secondline and went between them to insert a fall 2000 file. the screen showed firstline [INPUT] secondline, but the document was entirely the input file, and after scrolling to cause a redraw, firstline secondline were gone. :( hawk
Re: section/chapter names lost on html conversion
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 07:17:59PM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 10:58:56PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: Nope. I did err, belay that. It did work. I patched and did gmake on the main machine (where the mail comes in), and he install on the machine I was sitting at (readingthe mail on the other). It works. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
section/chapter names lost on html conversion
I've tried this with export-html, tth, and latex2html, and in both article and book format. The top level (chapter or section) names are lost on conversion; instead they show as the title of the document--and navigate back to themselves. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: section/chapter names lost on html conversion
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 10:58:56PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: > "Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | I've tried this with export-html, tth, and latex2html, and in both > | article and book format. > What I like to know is if the crash you saw yesterday was fixed by my > patch! Oh, it didn't crash. It just wiped out the entire file with no way to recover, and with undo nhot working right. But the program was still running :) Sorry about that, I've been putting out fires. It just finished recompiling. > Is it? Nope. I did firstline secondline and went between them to insert a fall 2000 file. the screen showed firstline [INPUT] secondline, but the document was entirely the input file, and after scrolling to cause a redraw, firstline & secondline were gone. :( hawk
Re: section/chapter names lost on html conversion
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 07:17:59PM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 10:58:56PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: > Nope. I did err, belay that. It did work. I patched and did gmake on the main machine (where the mail comes in), and he install on the machine I was sitting at (readingthe mail on the other). It works. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
lethal bug--insert lyx file destroyed document
I used insert lyx file to insert another file into an appendix. It wiped out *everything* but the new file! Undo gave me back only the most recent paragraph upon which I was working. Fortunately, I had just saved. hawk, heart still pounding -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: lethal bug--insert lyx file destroyed document
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:12:46PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: Dr. Richard E. Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I used insert lyx file to insert another file into an appendix. It | wiped out *everything* but the new file! Undo gave me back only the | most recent paragraph upon which I was working. | Fortunately, I had just saved. Am I correct in guessing that the file you inserted is not created with lyx 1.3.0cvs? I.e. it had to be run throught lyx2lyx? There are two possible files that it could have been; one was dated Jan 8 2001, the other Jan 5 2002. (I needed a syllabus to work with; any syllabus). Either would have come from reasonably current cvs lyx (whatever the devel version would have been on those dates). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
lethal bug--insert lyx file destroyed document
I used insert lyx file to insert another file into an appendix. It wiped out *everything* but the new file! Undo gave me back only the most recent paragraph upon which I was working. Fortunately, I had just saved. hawk, heart still pounding -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: lethal bug--insert lyx file destroyed document
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:12:46PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote: > "Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | I used insert lyx file to insert another file into an appendix. It > | wiped out *everything* but the new file! Undo gave me back only the > | most recent paragraph upon which I was working. > | Fortunately, I had just saved. > Am I correct in guessing that the file you inserted is not created > with lyx 1.3.0cvs? > I.e. it had to be run throught lyx2lyx? There are two possible files that it could have been; one was dated Jan 8 2001, the other Jan 5 2002. (I needed a syllabus to work with; any syllabus). Either would have come from reasonably current cvs lyx (whatever the devel version would have been on those dates). hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
calligraphic does not return to normal typing in mathed
Inside a mathed, m-c e to get a calligraphic character. The letter is correct, but subsequent letters remain in this font. This should (and used to be) a single character operation. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
calligraphic does not return to normal typing in mathed
Inside a mathed, m-c e to get a calligraphic character. The letter is correct, but subsequent letters remain in this font. This should (and used to be) a single character operation. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
strikethrough and tilde underline?
A few years ago, when I needed to identify changes in my dissertation, someone here showed me a quick and dirty way to define styles causeing typethrough and underlining with tilde's. Unfortunately, theose definitions apparently came out of the document by the end. Could someone give me a quick pointer? thanks hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
strikethrough and tilde underline?
A few years ago, when I needed to identify changes in my dissertation, someone here showed me a quick and dirty way to define styles causeing typethrough and underlining with tilde's. Unfortunately, theose definitions apparently came out of the document by the end. Could someone give me a quick pointer? thanks hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 06:14:14PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: Yes; I can't even reproduce the order or pattern of blank/nonblank. All I have so far is that it seems to be affected by a failed import, abut also by using anything on the menu. Here's what I figured out: Start LyX: all is ok (5 import options) if I: a.) choose a menu command without opening a doc (e.g. TeX information), the whole Import item is greyed out. b.) open a doc, all but ASCII (as lines, as pars) disappears Having done b.), I get all 5 import options back if I move on the menue bar to the right (from file to help) and back. If I chose a menue command now (open a dialog), they disappear again. This is with qt. I've found that if I open a new file, and close it, the 5 options come back. While any file is open, only the ascii options seem available. (though maybe Im just looking during the wrong part of the menu dance . . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: [WARNING] Bad bug in lyx 1.2.2 configure script
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 12:32:24PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: There is a very nasty bug in LyX 1.2.2 configure script: if you configure as root and an error occurs during the configure step (e.g. xforms not found), the the script will delete the /dev/null device. This undoubtly leads to very bad effect, since /dev/null is a very basic device in any unix system. Oh, /dev/null isn't much of a loss; I've never been able to get anything out of it, anyway :) hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
alt-r doesn't replace in spellcheck dialog
edit the replacement line, hit alt-r, and nothing happens yesterday's cvs. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 06:14:14PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > Yes; I can't even reproduce the order or pattern of blank/nonblank. All > > I have so far is that it seems to be affected by a failed import, abut > > also by using anything on the menu. > Here's what I figured out: > Start LyX: all is ok (5 import options) > if I: > a.) choose a menu command without opening a doc (e.g. TeX information), the > whole "Import" item is greyed out. > b.) open a doc, all but ASCII (as lines, as pars) disappears > > Having done b.), I get all 5 import options back if I move on the menue bar to > the right (from file to help) and back. If I chose a menue command now (open > a dialog), they disappear again. > This is with qt. I've found that if I open a new file, and close it, the 5 options come back. While any file is open, only the ascii options seem available. (though maybe I"m just looking during the wrong part of the menu dance . . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: [WARNING] Bad bug in lyx 1.2.2 configure script
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 12:32:24PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > There is a very nasty bug in LyX 1.2.2 configure script: if you > configure as root and an error occurs during the configure step > (e.g. xforms not found), the the script will delete the /dev/null > device. This undoubtly leads to very bad effect, since /dev/null is a > very basic device in any unix system. Oh, /dev/null isn't much of a loss; I've never been able to get anything out of it, anyway :) hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
alt-r doesn't replace in spellcheck dialog
edit the replacement line, hit alt-r, and nothing happens yesterday's cvs. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 02:45:07PM +, Jos? Matos wrote: On Monday 06 January 2003 19:12, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: I've rebuilt again today, and it still appears utterly impossible to import a latex tabular. I'm not sure how a latex file with a chart could get any simpler than this: Try again now, it should be possible. My father may be right about machines being out to get me--literally *as* this message was unloading, my build of lyx 1.2 from the ports collection finished compiling . . . . cvs update; compile Nope; still an error, and an undreadable file. ALso, I'm noticing strange behavior on the failed imports. The latex options disappear from the import submenu. Sometimes import itself gets greyed out. I generally have to quit to try again. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 05:54:29PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: ALso, I'm noticing strange behavior on the failed imports. The latex options disappear from the import submenu. Sometimes import itself gets greyed out. I generally have to quit to try again. I can confirm this: sometimes only the two ASCII import options are displayed in the submenue, sometimes the whole item is disabled (I could not figure out the logic behind it). This is a serious problem. Yes; I can't even reproduce the order or pattern of blank/nonblank. All I have so far is that it seems to be affected by a failed import, abut also by using anything on the menu. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 05:25:07PM +, Jos? Matos wrote:
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 17:04, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
I doubt it--wouldn't relyx be rebuilt with make install? The only
lyx on this system is the development branch (the reason I find so many
weird bugs :)
I would think so.
i
slytherin ttyp2:y3ls -l `which reLyX`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2482 Jan 7 11:43 /usr/local/bin/reLyX
^^
seems current.
Just to be sure could you post the error message that shows in the
console?
The alert says An error occurred while running the conversion script
Does it have any other error output?
nope.
GDB reports
reLyX directory is: /usr/local/share/lyx/reLyX
reLyX, the LaTeX to LyX translator. Revision date 2001/08/31
Reading LaTeX command syntax
(simple.tex: Splitting Preamble
Creating LyX preamble
Reading layout file
Cleaning... Translating... Writing... )
Deleting temp files
Finished successfully!
Malformed lyx file
I can put an account for you on this machine if it helps, so that you
can run this copy remotely.
Or that or you could send me a small example that fails. This is becoming
very intriguing.
this *is* the small example (simple.tex):
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
Hi there
\begin {tabular}{lrr}
\\ 1. int
4
9
14
\\ 2. Instructors
0
0
3
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
BTW I have fixed 4 bugs from files that were in my que from yours. :-)
thanks :) I seem to find plenty . . .
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Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 06:34:33PM +, Jos? Matos wrote:
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 17:42, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
\\ 1. int
4
9
14
\\ 2. Instructors
It is definitively reLyX's fault. The BUGS file in reLyX warns to this. In
this case you declare 15 columns but only defines 4 and reLyX does not
complete the request, something that lyx expects.
That's not all, though. I stqrted with 15 defined; and that didn't
work, either. I just went to less to simplify things. I just changed
\begin{tabular}{lrrr}
\tabularnewline
Now that's intereting. I just added those, and now it works.
Hmm, taking out the \\ I have before any data does it, too. Hmm, looks
like I had that in there from misreading Lamport.
BTW I have fixed 4 bugs from files that were in my que from yours. :-)
thanks :) I seem to find plenty . . .
the one with further bugs founded. ;-)
:) Really, I find mine on accident just in the course of usage.
hawk
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more sublte upper left on relyx
OK, I'm now happily importing tabulars. Well, mostly. I'm having
trouble with the left borders on multicolumnts. I start with:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin {tabular}
{|p{1.5in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|}
\cline{2-3} \cline{4-5} \cline{6-7} \cline{8-9} \cline{10-11}
\cline{12-13}
\multicolumn{1}{c|}{}
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Exceptional}
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Excellent}
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Very Good}
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Average}
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Below Average}
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Unsatisfactory} \\
LaTeX correctly renders this with no left border on the 1 cell
multicolumn. Lyx loses this, and turns it into |c|
If I manually edit the multicolumn in lyx, it will export the correct
latex. indeed, a diff shows that the extra | inserted by lyx is the
only difference in the two exported latex files.
hawk
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no \noindent on tabulars in relyx, either
A little more poking shows that \noindent before a \begin{tabular}
is ignored. Lyx will include it if the paragraph dialog is used,
and export tex with it--but retrieving its own tex, it loses it.
hawk
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yes/no/cancel doesn't work properly
When told to close a file, and the yes/no/cancel dialog comes up, under plain old X, the cancel button will appear directly under the mouse. This causes y, n, alt-y, and alt-n to all cause cancellation rather than their intended effects. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 02:45:07PM +, Jos? Matos wrote: > On Monday 06 January 2003 19:12, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > I've rebuilt again today, and it still appears utterly impossible to > > import a latex tabular. > > I'm not sure how a latex file with a chart could > > get any simpler than this: > Try again now, it should be possible. My father may be right about machines being out to get me--literally *as* this message was unloading, my build of lyx 1.2 from the ports collection finished compiling . . . . cvs update; compile Nope; still an error, and an undreadable file. ALso, I'm noticing strange behavior on the failed imports. The latex options disappear from the import submenu. Sometimes import itself gets greyed out. I generally have to quit to try again. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 05:54:29PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > ALso, I'm noticing strange behavior on the failed imports. The latex > > options disappear from the import submenu. Sometimes import itself gets > > greyed out. I generally have to quit to try again. > I can confirm this: sometimes only the two ASCII import options are displayed > in the submenue, sometimes the whole item is disabled (I could not figure out > the logic behind it). This is a serious problem. Yes; I can't even reproduce the order or pattern of blank/nonblank. All I have so far is that it seems to be affected by a failed import, abut also by using anything on the menu. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 05:25:07PM +, Jos? Matos wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 January 2003 17:04, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > I doubt it--wouldn't relyx be rebuilt with "make install"? The only
> > lyx on this system is the development branch (the reason I find so many
> > weird bugs :)
> I would think so.
i
slytherin ttyp2:y3>ls -l `which reLyX`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2482 Jan 7 11:43 /usr/local/bin/reLyX
^^
seems current.
> > > Just to be sure could you post the error message that shows in the
> > > console?
> > The alert says "An error occurred while running the conversion script"
> Does it have any other error output?
nope.
> > GDB reports
> > reLyX directory is: /usr/local/share/lyx/reLyX
> > reLyX, the LaTeX to LyX translator. Revision date 2001/08/31
> > Reading LaTeX command syntax
> > (simple.tex: Splitting Preamble
> > Creating LyX preamble
> > Reading layout file
> > Cleaning... Translating... Writing... )
> > Deleting temp files
> > Finished successfully!
> > Malformed lyx file
> > I can put an account for you on this machine if it helps, so that you
> > can run this copy remotely.
> Or that or you could send me a small example that fails. This is becoming
> very intriguing.
this *is* the small example (simple.tex):
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
Hi there
\begin {tabular}{lrr}
\\ 1. int
& 4
& 9
& 14
\\ 2. Instructors
& 0
& 0
& 3
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
> BTW I have fixed 4 bugs from files that were in my que from yours. :-)
thanks :) I seem to find plenty . . .
hawk
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Re: still can't import any latex tabulars
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 06:34:33PM +, Jos? Matos wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 January 2003 17:42, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > \\ 1. int
> > & 4
> > & 9
> > & 14
> > \\ 2. Instructors
> It is definitively reLyX's fault. The BUGS file in reLyX warns to this. In
> this case you declare 15 columns but only defines 4 and reLyX does not
> complete the request, something that lyx expects.
That's not all, though. I stqrted with 15 defined; and that didn't
work, either. I just went to less to simplify things. I just changed
> \begin{tabular}{lrrr}
> &
> &
> &
> \tabularnewline
Now that's intereting. I just added those, and now it works.
Hmm, taking out the \\ I have before any data does it, too. Hmm, looks
like I had that in there from misreading Lamport.
> > > BTW I have fixed 4 bugs from files that were in my que from yours. :-)
> > thanks :) I seem to find plenty . . .
> the one with further bugs founded. ;-)
:) Really, I find mine on accident just in the course of usage.
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more sublte upper left on relyx
OK, I'm now happily importing tabulars. Well, mostly. I'm having
trouble with the left borders on multicolumnts. I start with:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin {tabular}
{|p{1.5in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|p{.4in}|}
\cline{2-3} \cline{4-5} \cline{6-7} \cline{8-9} \cline{10-11}
\cline{12-13}
\multicolumn{1}{c|}{} &
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Exceptional} &
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Excellent} &
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Very Good} &
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Average} &
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Below Average} &
\multicolumn{2}{c}{Unsatisfactory} \\
LaTeX correctly renders this with no left border on the 1 cell
multicolumn. Lyx loses this, and turns it into |c|
If I manually edit the multicolumn in lyx, it will export the correct
latex. indeed, a diff shows that the extra | inserted by lyx is the
only difference in the two exported latex files.
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no \noindent on tabulars in relyx, either
A little more poking shows that \noindent before a \begin{tabular}
is ignored. Lyx will include it if the paragraph dialog is used,
and export tex with it--but retrieving its own tex, it loses it.
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yes/no/cancel doesn't work properly
When told to close a file, and the yes/no/cancel dialog comes up, under plain old X, the "cancel" button will appear directly under the mouse. This causes y, n, alt-y, and alt-n to all cause cancellation rather than their intended effects. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
still can't import any latex tabulars
I've rebuilt again today, and it still appears utterly impossible to
import a latex tabular.
I'm not sure how a latex file with a chart could
get any simpler than this:
simple.tex:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
Hi there
\begin {tabular}{lrr}
\\ 1. int
4
9
14
\\ 2. Instructors
0
0
3
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
latex handles this with no errors, but lyx says, an error occurred wile
runing the script
The console output in gdb is:
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type show warranty for
details.
This GDB was configured as i386-unknown-freebsd...Deprecated bfd_read
called at
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/dbxread.c
line 2627 in elfstab_build_psymtabs
Deprecated bfd_read called at
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/dbxread.c
line 933 in fill_symbuf
reLyX directory is: /usr/local/share/lyx/reLyX
reLyX, the LaTeX to LyX translator. Revision date 2001/08/31
Reading LaTeX command syntax
(simple.tex: Splitting Preamble
Creating LyX preamble
Reading layout file
Cleaning... Translating... Writing... )
Deleting temp files
Finished successfully!
Malformed lyx file
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still can't import any latex tabulars
I've rebuilt again today, and it still appears utterly impossible to
import a latex tabular.
I'm not sure how a latex file with a chart could
get any simpler than this:
simple.tex:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
Hi there
\begin {tabular}{lrr}
\\ 1. int
& 4
& 9
& 14
\\ 2. Instructors
& 0
& 0
& 3
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
latex handles this with no errors, but lyx says, "an error occurred wile
runing the script"
The console output in gdb is:
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for
details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...Deprecated bfd_read
called at
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/dbxread.c
line 2627 in elfstab_build_psymtabs
Deprecated bfd_read called at
/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/dbxread.c
line 933 in fill_symbuf
reLyX directory is: /usr/local/share/lyx/reLyX
reLyX, the LaTeX to LyX translator. Revision date 2001/08/31
Reading LaTeX command syntax
(simple.tex: Splitting Preamble
Creating LyX preamble
Reading layout file
Cleaning... Translating... Writing... )
Deleting temp files
Finished successfully!
Malformed lyx file
hawk
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Re: cross-document references?
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 08:35:34AM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
I have companion documents, one of which needs to refer to appendices of
the other.
You have to use the xr package (standard tools).
I've put
\usepackage{xr}
into each preamble, saved, and still no dice. I seem to have xr where
it belongs:
slytherin ttyp2:y3ls /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/xr.sty
/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/xr.sty
I've also exported to latex and tried that way, but get
LaTeX Warning: Reference `sec:Sample-Trials' on page 3 undefined
on input line 226.
and so forth (but no warning about the package.)
thanks
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Re: cross-document references?
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:02:48PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
I've put
\usepackage{xr}
into each preamble, saved, and still no dice. I seem to have xr where
it belongs:
You need
\externaldocument{refered_doc}
Furthermore, I think, xr needs the aux file of the document on which you
refer. Therefore you might have to export the second doc to LaTeX and run
latex on it. I have never tried xr, so you have to play around a little bit.
All of these, and more :)
With both magics added (and leave off the .tex or .lyx suffix!), I can
latex them both and latex produces a correct file. However, they still
don't get picked up from within lyx. But at least I can print :)
hawk
Re: cross-document references?
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 08:35:34AM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > I have companion documents, one of which needs to refer to appendices of
> > the other.
> You have to use the xr package (standard tools).
I've put
\usepackage{xr}
into each preamble, saved, and still no dice. I seem to have xr where
it belongs:
slytherin ttyp2:y3>ls /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/xr.sty
/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/xr.sty
I've also exported to latex and tried that way, but get
LaTeX Warning: Reference `sec:Sample-Trials' on page 3 undefined
on input line 226.
and so forth (but no warning about the package.)
thanks
hawk
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Re: cross-document references?
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:02:48PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > I've put
> > \usepackage{xr}
> > into each preamble, saved, and still no dice. I seem to have xr where
> > it belongs:
> You need
> \externaldocument{refered_doc}
> Furthermore, I think, xr needs the aux file of the document on which you
> refer. Therefore you might have to export the second doc to LaTeX and run
> latex on it. I have never tried xr, so you have to play around a little bit.
All of these, and more :)
With both magics added (and leave off the .tex or .lyx suffix!), I can
latex them both and latex produces a correct file. However, they still
don't get picked up from within lyx. But at least I can print :)
hawk
Re: leading dots in toc not until heading-3
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 12:26:02AM -0400, Garst R. Reese wrote:
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
I think I've been through this before . . .
In the article class, the table of contents uses no leading dots for the
sections, but it does for the subsections. My text, in book class, uses
them for all levels.
I don't see any ert setting this in either, or any preamble magic, and I
can't find anything in the menus that seems to do it.
Does your book class use leading dots for Chapters?
I'm pretty sure I'm using the default book class; I don't know how I
could be using anything else. It gives leading dots for chapters.
My preamble is
\pagenumbering{roman}
%\makeindex
\@addtoreset{page}{chapter}
\newfont {\web}{phvr at 9.0pt}
\newfont {\email}{pcrr at 10.0pt }
\newfont {\mrgfnt}{phvr at 6.0pt }
\newcommand{\mrg}{\tiny \smallskip}
and it has the following magic (for which I don't remember all the
purposes):
%\let\myChapter\chapter
%\renewcommand{\chapter}[1]{%
%\cleardoublepage
%\myChapter{#1}%
%}
%
\let\myChapter\chapter
\renewcommand{\chapter}[1]{%
\cleardoublepage
\myChapter{#1}%
\setcounter{page}{1}%
\thispagestyle{empty}% without any pagenumber
}
\renewcommand{\thefigure}{\thechapter-\arabic{figure}}
\renewcommand{\thetable}{\arabic{chapter}.\roman{table}.}
\renewcommand{\theequation}{\thechapter-\arabic{equation}}
I think the primary level in a class does not use dots. In the case of
Article, this is Section.
Book does not use dots either for Part or Chapter.
But it is :) Is there anyplace else I could have set something to
cause that?
See LaTeX Companion, pp 31-39
Unfortunately, all I have accessible is Lamport's User GUide Reference
manual :(
thanks
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complete inability to import latex tables at the moment?
I'm trying to get tables into lyx from a word document (I really don't want to fight that ill-formatted monster in starwriter!). I can dump to text well enough, but I want to keep the tables filled in. I was even able to trivially get the tables into latex with a bit of vi magic [ %s/^/ / and then change the starting of the left columns to \\] latex handles these fine, and can display them. Lyx won't import it. Then, in a flash of insight, I made a trivial lyx file; Hi followed by a 2x2 tabular with all defaults, filled with a b c d Export this silly little file to latex, and try to import it back in. No dice. Do a cvs update, and the problem remains I've attached the offending file. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ #LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/ \lyxformat 221 \textclass article \language english \inputencoding auto \fontscheme default \graphics default \paperfontsize default \papersize Default \paperpackage a4 \use_geometry 0 \use_amsmath 0 \use_natbib 0 \use_numerical_citations 0 \paperorientation portrait \secnumdepth 3 \tocdepth 3 \paragraph_separation indent \defskip medskip \quotes_language english \quotes_times 2 \papercolumns 1 \papersides 1 \paperpagestyle default \layout Standard Hi \layout Standard \begin_inset Tabular lyxtabular version=3 rows=2 columns=2 features column alignment=center valignment=top leftline=true width=0(null) column alignment=center valignment=top leftline=true rightline=true width=0(null) row topline=true bottomline=true cell alignment=center valignment=top topline=true leftline=true usebox=none \begin_inset Text \layout Standard a \end_inset /cell cell alignment=center valignment=top topline=true leftline=true rightline=true usebox=none \begin_inset Text \layout Standard b \end_inset /cell /row row topline=true bottomline=true cell alignment=center valignment=top topline=true leftline=true usebox=none \begin_inset Text \layout Standard c \end_inset /cell cell alignment=center valignment=top topline=true leftline=true rightline=true usebox=none \begin_inset Text \layout Standard d \end_inset /cell /row /lyxtabular \end_inset \the_end
the lyx output on failed table
Oh, and here's the output from gdb: reLyX directory is: /usr/local/share/lyx/reLyX reLyX, the LaTeX to LyX translator. Revision date 2001/08/31 Reading LaTeX command syntax (dumb.tex: Splitting Preamble Creating LyX preamble Reading layout file Cleaning... Translating... Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/local /share/lyx/reLyX/RelyxTable.pm line 460, TeXOpenFile0003 line 14. Writing... ) Deleting temp files Finished successfully! Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx, line 180, in ? main(sys.argv) File /usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx, line 173, in main __import__(lyxconvert_ + fmt).convert(header,body) File /usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyxconvert_217.py, line 104, in convert update_tabular(body) File /usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyxconvert_217.py, line 43, in update_tabu lar new_table = table_update(lines[i:j]) File /usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyxconvert_217.py, line 89, in table_updat e lines[i] = 'row topline=%s bottomline=%s newpage=%s' % (bool_table[v al[0]], bool_table[val[1]], bool_table[val[2]]) KeyError: 4 -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: Feature request: gzipped LyX files
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 02:50:52AM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 07:44, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:26:59AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Also, bz2 compression can handle losing bits out of the middle, unlike gzip. Interesting. It's a shame that bz2 isn't really widespread in its use, although it's probably installed on most systems. It's been part of the base install of FreeBSD for a year or so, and I assume similarly for the other *bsds. VI can transparently un-gzip files. It transparently re-gzips them when you're done! At least mine does =) Less can also read gzips. I think these are installtion-dependent options--it depends upon how they were compiled. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
cross-document references?
I have companion documents, one of which needs to refer to appendices of the other. The Insert Reference dialog quite kindly allows me to insert the reference to a label in the other document, but puts a ?? in the output rather than the reference. I'm assuming that I'm missing something obvious again . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
Re: leading dots in toc not until heading-3
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 12:26:02AM -0400, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> "Dr. Richard E. Hawkins" wrote:
> > I think I've been through this before . . .
> > In the article class, the table of contents uses no leading dots for the
> > sections, but it does for the subsections. My text, in book class, uses
> > them for all levels.
> > I don't see any ert setting this in either, or any preamble magic, and I
> > can't find anything in the menus that seems to do it.
> Does your book class use leading dots for Chapters?
I'm pretty sure I'm using the default book class; I don't know how I
could be using anything else. It gives leading dots for chapters.
My preamble is
\pagenumbering{roman}
%\makeindex
\@addtoreset{page}{chapter}
\newfont {\web}{phvr at 9.0pt}
\newfont {\email}{pcrr at 10.0pt }
\newfont {\mrgfnt}{phvr at 6.0pt }
\newcommand{\mrg}{\tiny \smallskip}
and it has the following magic (for which I don't remember all the
purposes):
%\let\myChapter\chapter
%\renewcommand{\chapter}[1]{%
%\cleardoublepage
%\myChapter{#1}%
%}
%
\let\myChapter\chapter
\renewcommand{\chapter}[1]{%
\cleardoublepage
\myChapter{#1}%
\setcounter{page}{1}%
\thispagestyle{empty}% without any pagenumber
}
\renewcommand{\thefigure}{\thechapter-\arabic{figure}}
\renewcommand{\thetable}{\arabic{chapter}.\roman{table}.}
\renewcommand{\theequation}{\thechapter-\arabic{equation}}
> I think the primary level in a class does not use dots. In the case of
> Article, this is Section.
> Book does not use dots either for Part or Chapter.
But it is :) Is there anyplace else I could have set something to
cause that?
> See LaTeX Companion, pp 31-39
Unfortunately, all I have accessible is Lamport's User GUide & Reference
manual :(
thanks
hawk
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complete inability to import latex tables at the moment?
I'm trying to get tables into lyx from a word document (I really don't want to fight that ill-formatted monster in starwriter!). I can dump to text well enough, but I want to keep the tables filled in. I was even able to trivially get the tables into latex with a bit of vi magic [ %s/^/ & / and then change the starting of the left columns to \\] latex handles these fine, and can display them. Lyx won't import it. Then, in a flash of insight, I made a trivial lyx file; "Hi" followed by a 2x2 tabular with all defaults, filled with a b c d Export this silly little file to latex, and try to import it back in. No dice. Do a cvs update, and the problem remains I've attached the offending file. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ #LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/ \lyxformat 221 \textclass article \language english \inputencoding auto \fontscheme default \graphics default \paperfontsize default \papersize Default \paperpackage a4 \use_geometry 0 \use_amsmath 0 \use_natbib 0 \use_numerical_citations 0 \paperorientation portrait \secnumdepth 3 \tocdepth 3 \paragraph_separation indent \defskip medskip \quotes_language english \quotes_times 2 \papercolumns 1 \papersides 1 \paperpagestyle default \layout Standard Hi \layout Standard \begin_inset Tabular \begin_inset Text \layout Standard a \end_inset \begin_inset Text \layout Standard b \end_inset \begin_inset Text \layout Standard c \end_inset \begin_inset Text \layout Standard d \end_inset \end_inset \the_end
the lyx output on failed table
Oh, and here's the output from gdb:
reLyX directory is: /usr/local/share/lyx/reLyX
reLyX, the LaTeX to LyX translator. Revision date 2001/08/31
Reading LaTeX command syntax
(dumb.tex: Splitting Preamble
Creating LyX preamble
Reading layout file
Cleaning... Translating... Use of uninitialized value in string eq at
/usr/local
/share/lyx/reLyX/RelyxTable.pm line 460, line 14.
Writing... )
Deleting temp files
Finished successfully!
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx", line 180, in ?
main(sys.argv)
File "/usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx", line 173, in main
__import__("lyxconvert_" + fmt).convert(header,body)
File "/usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyxconvert_217.py", line 104, in
convert
update_tabular(body)
File "/usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyxconvert_217.py", line 43, in
update_tabu
lar
new_table = table_update(lines[i:j])
File "/usr/local/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyxconvert_217.py", line 89, in
table_updat
e
lines[i] = '' %
(bool_table[v
al[0]], bool_table[val[1]], bool_table[val[2]])
KeyError: 4
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Re: Feature request: gzipped LyX files
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 02:50:52AM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote: > On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 07:44, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 11:26:59AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Also, bz2 compression can handle losing bits out of the middle, unlike > > gzip. > Interesting. It's a shame that bz2 isn't really widespread in its use, > although it's probably installed on most systems. It's been part of the base install of FreeBSD for a year or so, and I assume similarly for the other *bsds. > VI can transparently un-gzip files. It transparently re-gzips them when > you're done! At least mine does =) > Less can also read gzips. I think these are installtion-dependent options--it depends upon how they were compiled. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
cross-document references?
I have companion documents, one of which needs to refer to appendices of the other. The Insert Reference dialog quite kindly allows me to insert the reference to a label in the other document, but puts a ?? in the output rather than the reference. I'm assuming that I'm missing something obvious again . . . hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics/"\ ASCII ribbon campaign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of Xand postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \
