date:20140508

2014-05-08 4:54 GMT+02:00 Julio Rojas:

 You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the reference for
 the Frame environment. If I am in a, for example, Problem environment
 and I want to get out of it into the standard environment, all I have to do
 is issue a couple of returns.


Could you describe this in detail? Which document class, what kind of
Problem environment? If I use Problem from the Theorems module (or
Theorem from Beamer itself or similar), multiple returns do not get me to
Standard. The environment does not change. This is not to say that we could
not implement this (I see this point), but I do not see the behavior now.
Generally, Frame should not differ in behavior from other environments. It
is implemented as all other environments.

Regards
Jürgen

Re: weird bug: extra fi or else when using Koma script article, headings page style and numbered sections

2014-05-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll


On 07.05.2014 16:57, Richard Heck wrote:


Can you post an example file?


Hi,

Sure, here is a small sample file.

By the way, I totally forgot to put the system details in my previous 
email: Windows 7 64 bits professional, MikTex 2.9.


I guess it's probably more related to an update of a MikTex package.

Best regards.

Olivier



On 05/05/2014 02:15 PM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Hi all,

I've been hitting this issue recently on 2.0.7 and also or 2.1.0:

Even with a very simple document: 1 section and 1 word of text.
If I use the Koma-script article class, with headings page style and
a numbered section, the compilation result in an error about and extra
\fi or an extra \else


below (between dashes) is the relevant part of the log:
-
! Extra \else.
\H@old@sect ... }{\scr@ds@tocentry }\fi \fi \else
  \def \@svsechd
{#6{\hskip ...
l.33 \section{foobar}

I'm ignoring this; it doesn't match any \if.

! Extra \fi.
\H@old@sect ...e }{\scr@ds@tocentry }\fi \fi }\fi
  \@xsect {#5}
l.33 \section{foobar}

I'm ignoring this; it doesn't match any \if.
-

If I change the document class, it works. If I change the page style
to any other (plain, fancy, empty or default), it works. If I switch
to a section*, a part or a subsection, it works.

Anyone experiencing this ? Any idea about the cause ?

Best regards,

Olivier








Koma-script-article bug sample.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: weird bug: extra fi or else when using Koma script article, headings page style and numbered sections

2014-05-08 8:42 GMT+02:00 Olivier Ripoll:

 On 07.05.2014 16:57, Richard Heck wrote:


 Can you post an example file?


 Hi,

 Sure, here is a small sample file.

 By the way, I totally forgot to put the system details in my previous
 email: Windows 7 64 bits professional, MikTex 2.9.

 I guess it's probably more related to an update of a MikTex package.


It's a bug in the current KOMA-Script release:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/166779/koma-script-throws-extra-else-error

(I see it, too, with the final TeXLive 2013 update)

Jürgen

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread aparsloe



On 8/05/2014 6:25 p.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

2014-05-08 4:54 GMT+02:00 Julio Rojas:

You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the
reference for the Frame environment. If I am in a, for example,
Problem environment and I want to get out of it into the
standard environment, all I have to do is issue a couple of returns.


Could you describe this in detail? Which document class, what kind of 
Problem environment? If I use Problem from the Theorems module (or 
Theorem from Beamer itself or similar), multiple returns do not get me 
to Standard. The environment does not change. This is not to say that 
we could not implement this (I see this point), but I do not see the 
behavior now. Generally, Frame should not differ in behavior from 
other environments. It is implemented as all other environments.


Regards
Jürgen

Environments like LyX-Code, Quotation, Quote, Verse and the four list 
environments all  resolve to Standard on two returns. (But Verbatim 
doesn't. Perhaps it should?)


Andrew

Re: creating my first lyx doc

-Original Message-
From: Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org
Date: Thursday 8 May 2014 00:17
To: Barry Brent barrybr...@iphouse.com
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org, sw...@lyx.org, Benjamin Piwowarski
bpiwo...@lyx.org
Subject: Re: creating my first lyx doc

On 05/07/2014 04:54 PM, Barry Brent wrote:
 As it happens I'm using version 2.1 with Mac OS 9.
 But in the Mac OS 9 version of Version 2.1, the
 menu

 Document ? View (Other Formats)

 is empty.

Did you install MacTeX prior to installing LyX? If so, then you might try
Reconfiguring LyX. I'm not sure where that is on the OSX menus. Here, it
is at Tools Reconfigure, but it might be elsewhere for you. (OSX has its
own way of doing things.)

It’s Tools  Reconfigure

Actually, it is very odd that the menu is completely empty. LyX has
certain
internal formats it can produce without external assistance, such as
XHTML,
so you should at least see that, even if LaTeX is not installed.

Is that menu still empty if you check it when the Tutorial is open?

As soon as you have any document open you should have the menu. If no
document is open the entire Document menu should be greyed out.

I would suggest to check that TeX is installed: open System preferences
and make sure you have an item TeX Distribution. If you open that item you
should see a that TeXLive-2013 is selected.

If you don’t have TeX installed, go to http://tug.org/mactex/ and get it.

If TeX is installed do a Tools  Reconfigure
If it still doesn’t work open the Terminal and do a sudo texhash (you need
administrative permissions).
If it still doesn’t work try to reinstall LyX
If it still doesn’t work I am out of advices…

All the best!
Anders

Re: Figure besides

2014-05-08 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann



Am 07.05.2014 16:59, schrieb Richard Heck:

On 05/07/2014 04:17 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
Figure Besides is used to set the legend to the side of a (small) 
figure. It is used in this way:

Text. \FigBesBeg  here is figure \FigBesEnd More Text ...
I noticed that,  if the text after the \FigBesEnd (in ERT) follows 
immediately the tex-Box,

Text. \FigBesBeg  here is figure \FigBesEndMore Text ...
(that is, the More Text follows without a space)
I get an error:
\FigBesEndEs wurde vorgeschlagen, dass die Kontrolle der Transkription


The problem is that there is no space between your LaTeX command and 
the text. So LyX is

outputing:
\FigBesEndEs
which is not a LaTeX command. Just put a space at the end of your ERT 
(or else: {}).


Richard



Thanks, Richard,
but isn't it a bit strange to include a part (Es in my case) which is 
not inside the ERT-box? So one could actually right in the ERT box \F 
and outside of it igBesEnd (without space) and one would still get the 
ERT command executed?

Wolfgang

Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Bieniasz

Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:

 Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
 particular classes,
 especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.
 
 Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know. 
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Leslaw

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 9:26 GMT+02:00 aparsloe:

  Environments like LyX-Code, Quotation, Quote, Verse and the four list
 environments all  resolve to Standard on two returns. (But Verbatim
 doesn't. Perhaps it should?)


Oh, I see. This behavior obviously depends on whether KeepEmpty is true or
not. Frame has KeepEmpty == true (which makes sense with empty titles).
Maybe we should have something like KeepFirstEmpty. This needs to be
discussed.

Thanks
Jürgen



 Andrew

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread Murat Yildizoglu


Hi to all,

I have already signaled, some time ago I think, that this behaviour is 
somewhat cumbersome, and that the students (doctoral and post-doctoral 
students) to whom I was teaching LyX as a general front end to 
everything (R, PDF, etc.) were somewhat baffled by the operations 
necessary to create a simple frame. Since I was already adapted to the 
process (and automated many steps using Keyboard maestro macro player 
:-) ), I was a bit surprised by their strong reaction. So, I think that 
we should take into account these reactions.


If we can get back the switch to Standard function of the double 
returns, that would be an amelioration I think.


We had in the recent past some abusive criticisms in the list, but that 
should not make us immediately adopt a defensive discourse when a new 
criticism appears, especially if it is constructive and detailed as here.


Best regards,

Murat


Julio Rojas mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com
8 mai 2014 04:54
Dear Jürgen, there is no need for irony on your comments. Everybody is 
doing an honest effort to work with the new Beamer environment.


You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the reference 
for the Frame environment. If I am in a, for example, Problem 
environment and I want to get out of it into the standard environment, 
all I have to do is issue a couple of returns. This behavior is 
nowhere to be found in the Frame environment, as I can issue as many 
returns as I wish and the UI will accept them. This is, at least IMHO, 
a first in Lyx.


As for the behavior after getting out of the frame title, what Neal 
was explaining is related to the previous paragraph. After issuing 
return outside of the frame title, another return should get you to 
the standard environment. Then issuing a tab would indent this 
standard environment into the Frame environment and you can keep 
working. This is the behavior I was expecting from my experience with 
Lyx and all sorts of environments. In this moment, you can issue as 
many returns as you wish and Lyx would keep adding empty white lines 
of a Frame environment. This behavior is not only annoying and 
useless, to say the least, but also is nowhere to be found in other 
environments.


I hope that you understand our concerns.

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com



Jürgen Spitzmüller mailto:sp...@lyx.org
7 mai 2014 17:46

Which brings up another question.  Alt-A return?  How could I have
discovered this?


Reading the beamer manual perhaps? Also, the shortcut is displayed in 
the respective menu (Edit). And it is also documented generally in the 
LyX manuals.


Jürgen
Neal Becker mailto:ndbeck...@gmail.com
7 mai 2014 17:41
Which brings up another question.  Alt-A return?  How could I have 
discovered this?  If I look at Help/Shortcuts, I don't see it (or am I 
blind?)


I wish lyx had a way to discover things like emacs does.



Neal Becker mailto:ndbeck...@gmail.com
7 mai 2014 17:38
After arrow right, return.
I can type some text.  Looks nice.  Oh, it's not nested in the frame. 
 Hit tab.


Now you have Frame inside Frame.



Jürgen Spitzmüller mailto:sp...@lyx.org
7 mai 2014 17:31
2014-05-07 17:14 GMT+02:00 Neal Becker:

OK, I'm confused here.  Let's consider workflow to make a bullet
chart.


I was talking about the Standard paragraph, not Itemize.

Insert sep.  Hit return.
Select Frame
Fill in Title
oops - return in title does nothing, navigate past title (right
arrow), hit
return


Easier:

Alt-A Return
Fill in title
Arrow right
Return

Now I'm in Frame.  Certainly not what I want - I don't even know
what this frame
in a frame would do.


I do not understand what you mean by Frame in a frame. You are still 
in the same frame. Would you also say Quotation in a quotation if 
the style still is called quotation after hitting return? Or 
Itemize in an itemize? Or Theorem in a Theorem? Or, for that 
matter, Standard in Standard?


Switch to itemize
Use mouse to hit - icon to nest itemize within frame.


Yes. The same as you need to do when using itemize in an Example box, 
or Quotation, or Theorem, or ...


Jürgen


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nice writeup of lyx2.1 in lwn.net

2014-05-08 Thread Neal Becker

Currently behind paywall.  But it includes this paragraph:


Improved support for math typesetting is hardly a surprise; TeX was originally 
created by Donald Knuth to help him typeset The Art of Computer Programming, 
and 
TeX is used heavily by math journals. Nevertheless, there is always room for 
advancement. LyX 2.1 improves on its formula-and-equation support by adding a 
document-wide math font setting (which will not get overwritten if one 
changes 
the font of other body text), by adding a unicode-math package that supports 
math OpenType fonts (such as STIX or XITS), and by adding a new inline 
equation 
editor mode.


I tried looking at my document settings/fonts, but I can't see what is meant:

 by adding a unicode-math package that supports math OpenType fonts (such as 
STIX or XITS)

where would I see this feature?

Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font


On 05/08/2014 04:43 AM, Bieniasz wrote:

Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes
particular classes,
especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts.
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know.
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.


As you say, this is a (La)TeX problem, not a LyX problem, and while 
there are people
here who know a fair bit about TeX, we're not generally TeXperts. You 
might try asking

about this on one of the LaTeX forums, or (better) comp.text.tex.

Richard

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 12:37 GMT+02:00 Murat Yildizoglu:

 We had in the recent past some abusive criticisms in the list, but that
 should not make us immediately adopt a defensive discourse when a new
 criticism appears, especially if it is constructive and detailed as here.


Let me stress, in case it has been conceived differently, that I am
extremely grateful for any feedback on the new UI, and I am aware that it
needs to be improved. Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and
that this UI was not changed for the sake of changing the UI, but since
this was simply unavoidable.

All feedback is received and noted.

Jürgen

revtex4.1

Hello,

I have an issue with the revtex4.1 package:
For example, I cannot have an abstract!

In addition I get a compilation error which does not seem to be due to lyx:

(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps4-1.rtx)

Class revtex4-1 Warning: No journal specified, using default pra.

(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps12pt4-1.rtx)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/textcase/textcase.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/url/url.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/natbib/natbib.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/revsymb4-1.sty))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-local/texmf-compat/tex/latex/html/latin9.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/color.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/latexconfig/color.cfg)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvipsnam.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-english/english.ldf
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.def)))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/verbatim.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/longtable.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty)

! LaTeX Error: File `rotfloat.sty' not found.



while the file 

/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty

is right!!

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Re: revtex4.1

Sorry for the noise.

Every thing is fixed.
No worry.


 - Original Message -
 From: Patrick Dupre
 Sent: 05/08/14 04:35 PM
 To: lyx
 Subject: revtex4.1
 
 Hello,
 
 I have an issue with the revtex4.1 package:
 For example, I cannot have an abstract!
 
 In addition I get a compilation error which does not seem to be due to lyx:
 
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps4-1.rtx)
 
 Class revtex4-1 Warning: No journal specified, using default pra.
 
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps12pt4-1.rtx)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/textcase/textcase.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/url/url.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/natbib/natbib.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/revsymb4-1.sty))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-local/texmf-compat/tex/latex/html/latin9.def))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/color.sty
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/latexconfig/color.cfg)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvipsnam.def))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-english/english.ldf
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.def)))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/verbatim.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/longtable.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty)
 
 ! LaTeX Error: File `rotfloat.sty' not found.
 
 
 
 while the file 
 
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty
 
 is right!!
 
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  Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale           | |
  Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12                   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
  189A, avenue Maurice Schumann                 | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
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 Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale           | |
 Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12                   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
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Re: creating my first lyx doc

-Original Message-
From: Barry Brent barrybr...@iphouse.com
Date: Thursday 8 May 2014 16:52
To: Anders Ekberg a...@mac.com
Cc: Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org, lyx-users@lists.lyx.org,
sw...@lyx.org, Benjamin Piwowarski bpiwo...@lyx.org
Subject: Re: creating my first lyx doc

Anders, hi.

I checked and there is no file with the name ³TeX Distribution² on my
machine!

I¹ll get one. Not sure where I should put it however.

Barry

Jus so I understand you: You clicked the Apple menu, and then System
Preferences. 
In the System Preferences pane there was no TeX Distribution.

If this is the case, go to:
http://tug.org/mactex/
Download MacTeX.pkg
(direct link http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/mac/mactex/MacTeX.pkg )
Note: It is a BIG download (2.3 GB)
Once Downloaded double-click the Installation package and follow the
instructions (use the default options unless you are sure about something
else).
Once installed launch LyX.
Open Tutorial (Help  Tutorial)
If the Document  View other formats is still blank select Tools 
Reconfigure. Once the reconfiguring is done quit and then restart LyX.
Open Tutorial. Now you should be able to select Document  View [PDF
(pdflatex)] and the pdf document should open in Preview. If not we
continune from there.

All the best!
Anders

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
 2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and

Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the 
previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to go 
that way)?

Pavel

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0


 Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the
 previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to
 go that way)?


Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
for experienced users, though.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
  2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and

 Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the
 previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to
 go that way)?

 Pavel

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Julio Rojas wrote:
 Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
 for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes 
the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough. Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and you 
are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
nesting. Doable but steals time.

Pavel

Re: How to tell LyX to add empty line after paragraphs of my style?

2014-05-08 Thread Roman Inflianskas

 Hit the TeX button, press return and then close the inset.

I'm sorry for late response. I didn't get your response into the mailbox
(may be I configured my email incorrectly).

Thank you, it works and looks better, than -separator-.

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0


On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Julio Rojas wrote:

Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes 
the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough. Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and you 
are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
nesting. Doable but steals time.


No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are 
all great

suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
test it after alpha1?

That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively could
come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did
the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely
best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that 
is also

doable.

Richard

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my
academic life in which everything is on the production branch, so testing
of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time.
So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me if
I would like to update Lyx to 2.1. :(

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by no need to indent the
paragraph after a frame title for the text to remain within the Frame. I
thought that by saying it was a Frame environment, the text would not
behave as a standard indented standard environment. My mistake.
Nevertheless, indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this
Frame. Anyways, as I continuously use Theorems (and derivatives), I
usually found myself indenting these environments into a Frame, so
indenting standard text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
Beamer slides... ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

 Julio Rojas wrote:

 Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is
 faster
 for experienced users, though.

 No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator
 makes the document
 more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

 Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to
 insert new
 environment on places where information about new frame was enough.
 Changing
 some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast
 just go
 through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and
 you are
 done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
 nesting. Doable but steals time.


 No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are all
 great
 suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
 test it after alpha1?

 That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively
 could
 come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did
 the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely
 best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that is
 also
 doable.

 Richard

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my
academic life in which everything is on the production branch, so testing
of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time.
So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me if I
would like to update Lyx to 2.1. :(

You can still downgrade. (BUT do this only if you haven't already
saved your .lyx files with 2.1.) Go to
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release/+packages?field.name_filter=field.status_filter=supersededfield.series_filter=
, select 'Superseeded packages', then manually download the 2.0.7
packages, and install them using 'gdebi'. Consider uninstalling 2.1.0
first.

Liviu

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by no need to indent the paragraph
after a frame title for the text to remain within the Frame. I thought
that by saying it was a Frame environment, the text would not behave as a
standard indented standard environment. My mistake. Nevertheless,
indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this Frame.
Anyways, as I continuously use Theorems (and derivatives), I usually found
myself indenting these environments into a Frame, so indenting standard
text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
Beamer slides... ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Julio Rojas wrote:

Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is
faster
for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator
makes the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to
insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough.
Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast
just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and
you are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
nesting. Doable but steals time.

No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are all
great
suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
test it after alpha1?

That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively
could
come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did
the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely
best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that is
also
doable.

Richard

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Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread David L. Johnson


On 05/08/2014 09:52 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by no need to indent the paragraph
after a frame title for the text to remain within the Frame. I thought
that by saying it was a Frame environment, the text would not behave as a
standard indented standard environment. My mistake. Nevertheless,
indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this Frame.
Anyways, as I continuously use Theorems (and derivatives), I usually found
myself indenting these environments into a Frame, so indenting standard
text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
Beamer slides...


I had been waiting until the end of my semester, and also waiting for 
debian testing to go to 2.1, to upgrade.  But I saw that debian was not 
upgrading until they find a new maintainer (more than I have the time 
for), and classes are done, so I compiled 2.1 today.  I looked at the 
Beamer changes first, since that would likely be the most difficult.


I was pleased to see that my old (fairly simple) Beamer files imported 
automatically.  I see now the issues with the frames.  It could be 
easier to navigate between depths and environments, and it will catch me 
now and again to remember to separate Frame environments, but it isn't 
too awkward for now.  I guess the question is whether to treat the 
beginning of a Frame similarly to the treatment of a Section, or to 
treat it more like a Theorem or quotation environment.  Following LaTeX 
treatment is probably best in the long run.  Getting out of such an 
environment could be easier.  Why does a plain frame have space for a title?



--
 
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Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Nah, Liviu, thanks for the suggestion but downgrading is never a good
solution. I have been working this whole week with Beamer on 2.1 and let's
say that the new UI is the least of my concerns. ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of
my
academic life in which everything is on the production branch, so
testing
of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time.
So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me
if I
would like to update Lyx to 2.1. :(

You can still downgrade. (BUT do this only if you haven't already
saved your .lyx files with 2.1.) Go to

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release/+packages?field.name_filter=field.status_filter=supersededfield.series_filter=
, select 'Superseeded packages', then manually download the 2.0.7
packages, and install them using 'gdebi'. Consider uninstalling 2.1.0
first.

Liviu

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by no need to indent the
paragraph
after a frame title for the text to remain within the Frame. I thought
that by saying it was a Frame environment, the text would not behave
as a
standard indented standard environment. My mistake. Nevertheless,
indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this Frame.
Anyways, as I continuously use Theorems (and derivatives), I usually
found
myself indenting these environments into a Frame, so indenting standard
text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream
of
Beamer slides... ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Julio Rojas wrote:

Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is
faster
for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual
separator
makes the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to
insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough.
Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it
fast
just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs
and
you are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care
about
nesting. Doable but steals time.

No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are
all
great
suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have
to
test it after alpha1?

That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively
could
come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen
did
the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the
absolutely
best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that
is
also
doable.

Richard

Re: blindtext, unicode-math, and babel won't play nice because of setmathfont

2014-05-08 Thread asllearner

Answer found. As predicted, the problem is a unicode-math problem, not
LyX. Full details to be found at
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/175765/blindtext-unicode-math-and-babel-wont-play-nice-because-of-setmathfont-in-ly.
Thanks to all...

On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:49:58 +0900, asllearner
gmane.99.ky...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Thank you Scott and Richard for the pointers (helping me help people help
me). I did create a tex/texshop quasi-MWE, so this is not a LyX problem.
In any event, I have attached a LyX quasi-MWE and error output log, in
the

off chance someone here does have any ideas or can point me in the right
direction. I am going to pore over the unicode-math manual next and see
if

I find anything there. Ultimately, this nothing mission critical
though...there is always lipsum...

David

On Thu, 08 May 2014 11:54:19 +0900, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

On 05/07/2014 09:28 PM, asllearner wrote:

Yes, I was just about to add that. Thanks for the redirection. I am
aware it is quite likely the problem is more user error and not an
actual problem in the packages or in LyX. I have done what I can to
refer to the manuals and previous posts, but hadn't found anything
about this situation in particular.

I posted here first since my suspicion was that I wasn't asking LyX
properly to do what I wanted. I've had problems before with the fact
that LyX sets up babel and hyperref before the preamble kicks in. Also,
in the end my goal(hope) is to have all these work in LyX with the
actual document I am trying to produce, even if it is possible to get
the packages to work together in TeX. At ths point my best guess is the
problem is with how I am using unicode...

It's possible. Posting a minimal example will help people help you.

Richard

On Thu, 08 May 2014 05:52:18 +0900, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org
wrote:

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

This really looks like a LaTeX question, not a LyX question. Try some
LaTeX
forum, or comp.text.tex.

For archival purposes, he posted here:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/175765/blindtext-unicode-math-and-babel-wont-play-nice-because-of-setmathfont-in-ly
Scott

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Re: blindtext, unicode-math, and babel won't play nice because of setmathfont

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Kostyshak

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:16 AM, asllearner
gmane.99.ky...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
 Answer found. As predicted, the problem is a unicode-math problem, not LyX.
 Full details to be found at
 http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/175765/blindtext-unicode-math-and-babel-wont-play-nice-because-of-setmathfont-in-ly.
 Thanks to all...

Thanks for reporting back with the solution!

Scott

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 4:54 GMT+02:00 Julio Rojas:

 You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the reference for
 the Frame environment. If I am in a, for example, Problem environment
 and I want to get out of it into the standard environment, all I have to do
 is issue a couple of returns.


Could you describe this in detail? Which document class, what kind of
Problem environment? If I use Problem from the Theorems module (or
Theorem from Beamer itself or similar), multiple returns do not get me to
Standard. The environment does not change. This is not to say that we could
not implement this (I see this point), but I do not see the behavior now.
Generally, Frame should not differ in behavior from other environments. It
is implemented as all other environments.

Regards
Jürgen

Re: weird bug: extra fi or else when using Koma script article, headings page style and numbered sections

2014-05-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll


On 07.05.2014 16:57, Richard Heck wrote:


Can you post an example file?


Hi,

Sure, here is a small sample file.

By the way, I totally forgot to put the system details in my previous 
email: Windows 7 64 bits professional, MikTex 2.9.


I guess it's probably more related to an update of a MikTex package.

Best regards.

Olivier



On 05/05/2014 02:15 PM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Hi all,

I've been hitting this issue recently on 2.0.7 and also or 2.1.0:

Even with a very simple document: 1 section and 1 word of text.
If I use the Koma-script article class, with headings page style and
a numbered section, the compilation result in an error about and extra
\fi or an extra \else


below (between dashes) is the relevant part of the log:
-
! Extra \else.
\H@old@sect ... }{\scr@ds@tocentry }\fi \fi \else
  \def \@svsechd
{#6{\hskip ...
l.33 \section{foobar}

I'm ignoring this; it doesn't match any \if.

! Extra \fi.
\H@old@sect ...e }{\scr@ds@tocentry }\fi \fi }\fi
  \@xsect {#5}
l.33 \section{foobar}

I'm ignoring this; it doesn't match any \if.
-

If I change the document class, it works. If I change the page style
to any other (plain, fancy, empty or default), it works. If I switch
to a section*, a part or a subsection, it works.

Anyone experiencing this ? Any idea about the cause ?

Best regards,

Olivier








Koma-script-article bug sample.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: weird bug: extra fi or else when using Koma script article, headings page style and numbered sections

2014-05-08 8:42 GMT+02:00 Olivier Ripoll:

 On 07.05.2014 16:57, Richard Heck wrote:


 Can you post an example file?


 Hi,

 Sure, here is a small sample file.

 By the way, I totally forgot to put the system details in my previous
 email: Windows 7 64 bits professional, MikTex 2.9.

 I guess it's probably more related to an update of a MikTex package.


It's a bug in the current KOMA-Script release:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/166779/koma-script-throws-extra-else-error

(I see it, too, with the final TeXLive 2013 update)

Jürgen

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread aparsloe



On 8/05/2014 6:25 p.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

2014-05-08 4:54 GMT+02:00 Julio Rojas:

You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the
reference for the Frame environment. If I am in a, for example,
Problem environment and I want to get out of it into the
standard environment, all I have to do is issue a couple of returns.


Could you describe this in detail? Which document class, what kind of 
Problem environment? If I use Problem from the Theorems module (or 
Theorem from Beamer itself or similar), multiple returns do not get me 
to Standard. The environment does not change. This is not to say that 
we could not implement this (I see this point), but I do not see the 
behavior now. Generally, Frame should not differ in behavior from 
other environments. It is implemented as all other environments.


Regards
Jürgen

Environments like LyX-Code, Quotation, Quote, Verse and the four list 
environments all  resolve to Standard on two returns. (But Verbatim 
doesn't. Perhaps it should?)


Andrew

Re: creating my first lyx doc

-Original Message-
From: Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org
Date: Thursday 8 May 2014 00:17
To: Barry Brent barrybr...@iphouse.com
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org, sw...@lyx.org, Benjamin Piwowarski
bpiwo...@lyx.org
Subject: Re: creating my first lyx doc

On 05/07/2014 04:54 PM, Barry Brent wrote:
 As it happens I'm using version 2.1 with Mac OS 9.
 But in the Mac OS 9 version of Version 2.1, the
 menu

 Document ? View (Other Formats)

 is empty.

Did you install MacTeX prior to installing LyX? If so, then you might try
Reconfiguring LyX. I'm not sure where that is on the OSX menus. Here, it
is at Tools Reconfigure, but it might be elsewhere for you. (OSX has its
own way of doing things.)

It’s Tools  Reconfigure

Actually, it is very odd that the menu is completely empty. LyX has
certain
internal formats it can produce without external assistance, such as
XHTML,
so you should at least see that, even if LaTeX is not installed.

Is that menu still empty if you check it when the Tutorial is open?

As soon as you have any document open you should have the menu. If no
document is open the entire Document menu should be greyed out.

I would suggest to check that TeX is installed: open System preferences
and make sure you have an item TeX Distribution. If you open that item you
should see a that TeXLive-2013 is selected.

If you don’t have TeX installed, go to http://tug.org/mactex/ and get it.

If TeX is installed do a Tools  Reconfigure
If it still doesn’t work open the Terminal and do a sudo texhash (you need
administrative permissions).
If it still doesn’t work try to reinstall LyX
If it still doesn’t work I am out of advices…

All the best!
Anders

Re: Figure besides

2014-05-08 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann



Am 07.05.2014 16:59, schrieb Richard Heck:

On 05/07/2014 04:17 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
Figure Besides is used to set the legend to the side of a (small) 
figure. It is used in this way:

Text. \FigBesBeg  here is figure \FigBesEnd More Text ...
I noticed that,  if the text after the \FigBesEnd (in ERT) follows 
immediately the tex-Box,

Text. \FigBesBeg  here is figure \FigBesEndMore Text ...
(that is, the More Text follows without a space)
I get an error:
\FigBesEndEs wurde vorgeschlagen, dass die Kontrolle der Transkription


The problem is that there is no space between your LaTeX command and 
the text. So LyX is

outputing:
\FigBesEndEs
which is not a LaTeX command. Just put a space at the end of your ERT 
(or else: {}).


Richard



Thanks, Richard,
but isn't it a bit strange to include a part (Es in my case) which is 
not inside the ERT-box? So one could actually right in the ERT box \F 
and outside of it igBesEnd (without space) and one would still get the 
ERT command executed?

Wolfgang

Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Bieniasz

Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:

 Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
 particular classes,
 especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.
 
 Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know. 
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Leslaw

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 9:26 GMT+02:00 aparsloe:

  Environments like LyX-Code, Quotation, Quote, Verse and the four list
 environments all  resolve to Standard on two returns. (But Verbatim
 doesn't. Perhaps it should?)


Oh, I see. This behavior obviously depends on whether KeepEmpty is true or
not. Frame has KeepEmpty == true (which makes sense with empty titles).
Maybe we should have something like KeepFirstEmpty. This needs to be
discussed.

Thanks
Jürgen



 Andrew

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread Murat Yildizoglu


Hi to all,

I have already signaled, some time ago I think, that this behaviour is 
somewhat cumbersome, and that the students (doctoral and post-doctoral 
students) to whom I was teaching LyX as a general front end to 
everything (R, PDF, etc.) were somewhat baffled by the operations 
necessary to create a simple frame. Since I was already adapted to the 
process (and automated many steps using Keyboard maestro macro player 
:-) ), I was a bit surprised by their strong reaction. So, I think that 
we should take into account these reactions.


If we can get back the switch to Standard function of the double 
returns, that would be an amelioration I think.


We had in the recent past some abusive criticisms in the list, but that 
should not make us immediately adopt a defensive discourse when a new 
criticism appears, especially if it is constructive and detailed as here.


Best regards,

Murat


Julio Rojas mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com
8 mai 2014 04:54
Dear Jürgen, there is no need for irony on your comments. Everybody is 
doing an honest effort to work with the new Beamer environment.


You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the reference 
for the Frame environment. If I am in a, for example, Problem 
environment and I want to get out of it into the standard environment, 
all I have to do is issue a couple of returns. This behavior is 
nowhere to be found in the Frame environment, as I can issue as many 
returns as I wish and the UI will accept them. This is, at least IMHO, 
a first in Lyx.


As for the behavior after getting out of the frame title, what Neal 
was explaining is related to the previous paragraph. After issuing 
return outside of the frame title, another return should get you to 
the standard environment. Then issuing a tab would indent this 
standard environment into the Frame environment and you can keep 
working. This is the behavior I was expecting from my experience with 
Lyx and all sorts of environments. In this moment, you can issue as 
many returns as you wish and Lyx would keep adding empty white lines 
of a Frame environment. This behavior is not only annoying and 
useless, to say the least, but also is nowhere to be found in other 
environments.


I hope that you understand our concerns.

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com



Jürgen Spitzmüller mailto:sp...@lyx.org
7 mai 2014 17:46

Which brings up another question.  Alt-A return?  How could I have
discovered this?


Reading the beamer manual perhaps? Also, the shortcut is displayed in 
the respective menu (Edit). And it is also documented generally in the 
LyX manuals.


Jürgen
Neal Becker mailto:ndbeck...@gmail.com
7 mai 2014 17:41
Which brings up another question.  Alt-A return?  How could I have 
discovered this?  If I look at Help/Shortcuts, I don't see it (or am I 
blind?)


I wish lyx had a way to discover things like emacs does.



Neal Becker mailto:ndbeck...@gmail.com
7 mai 2014 17:38
After arrow right, return.
I can type some text.  Looks nice.  Oh, it's not nested in the frame. 
 Hit tab.


Now you have Frame inside Frame.



Jürgen Spitzmüller mailto:sp...@lyx.org
7 mai 2014 17:31
2014-05-07 17:14 GMT+02:00 Neal Becker:

OK, I'm confused here.  Let's consider workflow to make a bullet
chart.


I was talking about the Standard paragraph, not Itemize.

Insert sep.  Hit return.
Select Frame
Fill in Title
oops - return in title does nothing, navigate past title (right
arrow), hit
return


Easier:

Alt-A Return
Fill in title
Arrow right
Return

Now I'm in Frame.  Certainly not what I want - I don't even know
what this frame
in a frame would do.


I do not understand what you mean by Frame in a frame. You are still 
in the same frame. Would you also say Quotation in a quotation if 
the style still is called quotation after hitting return? Or 
Itemize in an itemize? Or Theorem in a Theorem? Or, for that 
matter, Standard in Standard?


Switch to itemize
Use mouse to hit - icon to nest itemize within frame.


Yes. The same as you need to do when using itemize in an Example box, 
or Quotation, or Theorem, or ...


Jürgen


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nice writeup of lyx2.1 in lwn.net

2014-05-08 Thread Neal Becker

Currently behind paywall.  But it includes this paragraph:


Improved support for math typesetting is hardly a surprise; TeX was originally 
created by Donald Knuth to help him typeset The Art of Computer Programming, 
and 
TeX is used heavily by math journals. Nevertheless, there is always room for 
advancement. LyX 2.1 improves on its formula-and-equation support by adding a 
document-wide math font setting (which will not get overwritten if one 
changes 
the font of other body text), by adding a unicode-math package that supports 
math OpenType fonts (such as STIX or XITS), and by adding a new inline 
equation 
editor mode.


I tried looking at my document settings/fonts, but I can't see what is meant:

 by adding a unicode-math package that supports math OpenType fonts (such as 
STIX or XITS)

where would I see this feature?

Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font


On 05/08/2014 04:43 AM, Bieniasz wrote:

Richard Heck rgheck at lyx.org writes:


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes
particular classes,
especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts.
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know.
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.


As you say, this is a (La)TeX problem, not a LyX problem, and while 
there are people
here who know a fair bit about TeX, we're not generally TeXperts. You 
might try asking

about this on one of the LaTeX forums, or (better) comp.text.tex.

Richard

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 12:37 GMT+02:00 Murat Yildizoglu:

 We had in the recent past some abusive criticisms in the list, but that
 should not make us immediately adopt a defensive discourse when a new
 criticism appears, especially if it is constructive and detailed as here.


Let me stress, in case it has been conceived differently, that I am
extremely grateful for any feedback on the new UI, and I am aware that it
needs to be improved. Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and
that this UI was not changed for the sake of changing the UI, but since
this was simply unavoidable.

All feedback is received and noted.

Jürgen

revtex4.1

Hello,

I have an issue with the revtex4.1 package:
For example, I cannot have an abstract!

In addition I get a compilation error which does not seem to be due to lyx:

(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps4-1.rtx)

Class revtex4-1 Warning: No journal specified, using default pra.

(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps12pt4-1.rtx)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/textcase/textcase.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/url/url.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/natbib/natbib.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/revsymb4-1.sty))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-local/texmf-compat/tex/latex/html/latin9.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/color.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/latexconfig/color.cfg)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvipsnam.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-english/english.ldf
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.def)))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/verbatim.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/longtable.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty)

! LaTeX Error: File `rotfloat.sty' not found.



while the file 

/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty

is right!!

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Re: revtex4.1

Sorry for the noise.

Every thing is fixed.
No worry.


 - Original Message -
 From: Patrick Dupre
 Sent: 05/08/14 04:35 PM
 To: lyx
 Subject: revtex4.1
 
 Hello,
 
 I have an issue with the revtex4.1 package:
 For example, I cannot have an abstract!
 
 In addition I get a compilation error which does not seem to be due to lyx:
 
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps4-1.rtx)
 
 Class revtex4-1 Warning: No journal specified, using default pra.
 
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps12pt4-1.rtx)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/textcase/textcase.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/url/url.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/natbib/natbib.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/revsymb4-1.sty))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-local/texmf-compat/tex/latex/html/latin9.def))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/color.sty
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/latexconfig/color.cfg)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvipsnam.def))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-english/english.ldf
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.def)))
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/verbatim.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/longtable.sty)
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty)
 
 ! LaTeX Error: File `rotfloat.sty' not found.
 
 
 
 while the file 
 
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty
 
 is right!!
 
 ===
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  Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
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  Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12                   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
  189A, avenue Maurice Schumann                 | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
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 Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale           | |
 Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12                   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann                 | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
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Re: creating my first lyx doc

-Original Message-
From: Barry Brent barrybr...@iphouse.com
Date: Thursday 8 May 2014 16:52
To: Anders Ekberg a...@mac.com
Cc: Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org, lyx-users@lists.lyx.org,
sw...@lyx.org, Benjamin Piwowarski bpiwo...@lyx.org
Subject: Re: creating my first lyx doc

Anders, hi.

I checked and there is no file with the name ³TeX Distribution² on my
machine!

I¹ll get one. Not sure where I should put it however.

Barry

Jus so I understand you: You clicked the Apple menu, and then System
Preferences. 
In the System Preferences pane there was no TeX Distribution.

If this is the case, go to:
http://tug.org/mactex/
Download MacTeX.pkg
(direct link http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/mac/mactex/MacTeX.pkg )
Note: It is a BIG download (2.3 GB)
Once Downloaded double-click the Installation package and follow the
instructions (use the default options unless you are sure about something
else).
Once installed launch LyX.
Open Tutorial (Help  Tutorial)
If the Document  View other formats is still blank select Tools 
Reconfigure. Once the reconfiguring is done quit and then restart LyX.
Open Tutorial. Now you should be able to select Document  View [PDF
(pdflatex)] and the pdf document should open in Preview. If not we
continune from there.

All the best!
Anders

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
 2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and

Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the 
previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to go 
that way)?

Pavel

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0


 Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the
 previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to
 go that way)?


Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
for experienced users, though.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
  2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and

 Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the
 previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to
 go that way)?

 Pavel

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Julio Rojas wrote:
 Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
 for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes 
the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough. Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and you 
are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
nesting. Doable but steals time.

Pavel

Re: How to tell LyX to add empty line after paragraphs of my style?

2014-05-08 Thread Roman Inflianskas

 Hit the TeX button, press return and then close the inset.

I'm sorry for late response. I didn't get your response into the mailbox
(may be I configured my email incorrectly).

Thank you, it works and looks better, than -separator-.

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0


On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Julio Rojas wrote:

Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes 
the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough. Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and you 
are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
nesting. Doable but steals time.


No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are 
all great

suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
test it after alpha1?

That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively could
come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did
the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely
best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that 
is also

doable.

Richard

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my
academic life in which everything is on the production branch, so testing
of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time.
So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me if
I would like to update Lyx to 2.1. :(

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by no need to indent the
paragraph after a frame title for the text to remain within the Frame. I
thought that by saying it was a Frame environment, the text would not
behave as a standard indented standard environment. My mistake.
Nevertheless, indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this
Frame. Anyways, as I continuously use Theorems (and derivatives), I
usually found myself indenting these environments into a Frame, so
indenting standard text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
Beamer slides... ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

 Julio Rojas wrote:

 Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is
 faster
 for experienced users, though.

 No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator
 makes the document
 more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

 Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to
 insert new
 environment on places where information about new frame was enough.
 Changing
 some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast
 just go
 through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and
 you are
 done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
 nesting. Doable but steals time.


 No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are all
 great
 suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
 test it after alpha1?

 That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively
 could
 come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did
 the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely
 best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that is
 also
 doable.

 Richard

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread Liviu Andronic

Liviu

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
Beamer slides... ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Julio Rojas wrote:

Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is
faster
for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator
makes the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are all
great
suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
test it after alpha1?

Richard

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread David L. Johnson


On 05/08/2014 09:52 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by no need to indent the paragraph
after a frame title for the text to remain within the Frame. I thought
that by saying it was a Frame environment, the text would not behave as a
standard indented standard environment. My mistake. Nevertheless,
indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this Frame.
Anyways, as I continuously use Theorems (and derivatives), I usually found
myself indenting these environments into a Frame, so indenting standard
text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
Beamer slides...


I had been waiting until the end of my semester, and also waiting for 
debian testing to go to 2.1, to upgrade.  But I saw that debian was not 
upgrading until they find a new maintainer (more than I have the time 
for), and classes are done, so I compiled 2.1 today.  I looked at the 
Beamer changes first, since that would likely be the most difficult.


I was pleased to see that my old (fairly simple) Beamer files imported 
automatically.  I see now the issues with the frames.  It could be 
easier to navigate between depths and environments, and it will catch me 
now and again to remember to separate Frame environments, but it isn't 
too awkward for now.  I guess the question is whether to treat the 
beginning of a Frame similarly to the treatment of a Section, or to 
treat it more like a Theorem or quotation environment.  Following LaTeX 
treatment is probably best in the long run.  Getting out of such an 
environment could be easier.  Why does a plain frame have space for a title?



--
 
David L. Johnson

Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Nah, Liviu, thanks for the suggestion but downgrading is never a good
solution. I have been working this whole week with Beamer on 2.1 and let's
say that the new UI is the least of my concerns. ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of
my
academic life in which everything is on the production branch, so
testing
of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time.
So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me
if I
would like to update Lyx to 2.1. :(

You can still downgrade. (BUT do this only if you haven't already
saved your .lyx files with 2.1.) Go to

Liviu

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by no need to indent the
paragraph
after a frame title for the text to remain within the Frame. I thought
that by saying it was a Frame environment, the text would not behave
as a
standard indented standard environment. My mistake. Nevertheless,
indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this Frame.
Anyways, as I continuously use Theorems (and derivatives), I usually
found
myself indenting these environments into a Frame, so indenting standard
text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream
of
Beamer slides... ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Julio Rojas wrote:

Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is
faster
for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual
separator
makes the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to
insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough.
Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it
fast
just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs
and
you are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care
about
nesting. Doable but steals time.

No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are
all
great
suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have
to
test it after alpha1?

That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively
could
come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen
did
the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the
absolutely
best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that
is
also
doable.

Richard

Re: blindtext, unicode-math, and babel won't play nice because of setmathfont

2014-05-08 Thread asllearner

On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:49:58 +0900, asllearner
gmane.99.ky...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

off chance someone here does have any ideas or can point me in the right
direction. I am going to pore over the unicode-math manual next and see
if

I find anything there. Ultimately, this nothing mission critical
though...there is always lipsum...

David

On Thu, 08 May 2014 11:54:19 +0900, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

On 05/07/2014 09:28 PM, asllearner wrote:

It's possible. Posting a minimal example will help people help you.

Richard

On Thu, 08 May 2014 05:52:18 +0900, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org
wrote:

On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

This really looks like a LaTeX question, not a LyX question. Try some
LaTeX
forum, or comp.text.tex.

For archival purposes, he posted here:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/175765/blindtext-unicode-math-and-babel-wont-play-nice-because-of-setmathfont-in-ly
Scott

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Re: blindtext, unicode-math, and babel won't play nice because of setmathfont

2014-05-08 Thread Scott Kostyshak

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:16 AM, asllearner
gmane.99.ky...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
 Answer found. As predicted, the problem is a unicode-math problem, not LyX.
 Full details to be found at
 http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/175765/blindtext-unicode-math-and-babel-wont-play-nice-because-of-setmathfont-in-ly.
 Thanks to all...

Thanks for reporting back with the solution!

Scott

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 4:54 GMT+02:00 Julio Rojas:

> You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the reference for
> the "Frame" environment. If I am in a, for example, "Problem" environment
> and I want to get out of it into the standard environment, all I have to do
> is issue a couple of returns.
>

Could you describe this in detail? Which document class, what kind of
"Problem" environment? If I use Problem from the Theorems module (or
Theorem from Beamer itself or similar), multiple returns do not get me to
Standard. The environment does not change. This is not to say that we could
not implement this (I see this point), but I do not see the behavior now.
Generally, Frame should not differ in behavior from other environments. It
is implemented as all other environments.

Regards
Jürgen

Re: weird bug: extra fi or else when using Koma script article, headings page style and numbered sections

2014-05-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll


On 07.05.2014 16:57, Richard Heck wrote:


Can you post an example file?


Hi,

Sure, here is a small sample file.

By the way, I totally forgot to put the system details in my previous 
email: Windows 7 64 bits professional, MikTex 2.9.


I guess it's probably more related to an update of a MikTex package.

Best regards.

Olivier



On 05/05/2014 02:15 PM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Hi all,

I've been hitting this issue recently on 2.0.7 and also or 2.1.0:

Even with a very simple document: 1 section and 1 word of text.
If I use the Koma-script article class, with "headings" page style and
a numbered section, the compilation result in an error about and extra
\fi or an extra \else


below (between dashes) is the relevant part of the log:
-
! Extra \else.
\H@old@sect ... }{\scr@ds@tocentry }\fi \fi \else
  \def \@svsechd
{#6{\hskip ...
l.33 \section{foobar}

I'm ignoring this; it doesn't match any \if.

! Extra \fi.
\H@old@sect ...e }{\scr@ds@tocentry }\fi \fi }\fi
  \@xsect {#5}
l.33 \section{foobar}

I'm ignoring this; it doesn't match any \if.
-

If I change the document class, it works. If I change the page style
to any other (plain, fancy, empty or default), it works. If I switch
to a section*, a part or a subsection, it works.

Anyone experiencing this ? Any idea about the cause ?

Best regards,

Olivier








Koma-script-article bug sample.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: weird bug: extra fi or else when using Koma script article, headings page style and numbered sections

2014-05-08 8:42 GMT+02:00 Olivier Ripoll:

> On 07.05.2014 16:57, Richard Heck wrote:
>
>>
>> Can you post an example file?
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> Sure, here is a small sample file.
>
> By the way, I totally forgot to put the system details in my previous
> email: Windows 7 64 bits professional, MikTex 2.9.
>
> I guess it's probably more related to an update of a MikTex package.
>

It's a bug in the current KOMA-Script release:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/166779/koma-script-throws-extra-else-error

(I see it, too, with the final TeXLive 2013 update)

Jürgen

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread aparsloe



On 8/05/2014 6:25 p.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

2014-05-08 4:54 GMT+02:00 Julio Rojas:

You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the
reference for the "Frame" environment. If I am in a, for example,
"Problem" environment and I want to get out of it into the
standard environment, all I have to do is issue a couple of returns.


Could you describe this in detail? Which document class, what kind of 
"Problem" environment? If I use Problem from the Theorems module (or 
Theorem from Beamer itself or similar), multiple returns do not get me 
to Standard. The environment does not change. This is not to say that 
we could not implement this (I see this point), but I do not see the 
behavior now. Generally, Frame should not differ in behavior from 
other environments. It is implemented as all other environments.


Regards
Jürgen

Environments like LyX-Code, Quotation, Quote, Verse and the four list 
environments all  resolve to Standard on two returns. (But Verbatim 
doesn't. Perhaps it should?)


Andrew

Re: creating my first lyx doc

-Original Message-
From: Richard Heck 
Date: Thursday 8 May 2014 00:17
To: Barry Brent 
Cc: , , Benjamin Piwowarski

Subject: Re: creating my first lyx doc

>On 05/07/2014 04:54 PM, Barry Brent wrote:
>> As it happens I'm using version 2.1 with Mac OS 9.
>> But in the Mac OS 9 version of Version 2.1, the
>> menu
>>
>> Document ? View (Other Formats)
>>
>> is empty.
>
>Did you install MacTeX prior to installing LyX? If so, then you might try
>Reconfiguring LyX. I'm not sure where that is on the OSX menus. Here, it
>is at Tools> Reconfigure, but it might be elsewhere for you. (OSX has its
>own way of doing things.)

It’s Tools > Reconfigure

>Actually, it is very odd that the menu is completely empty. LyX has
>certain
>internal formats it can produce without external assistance, such as
>XHTML,
>so you should at least see that, even if LaTeX is not installed.
>
>Is that menu still empty if you check it when the Tutorial is open?

As soon as you have any document open you should have the menu. If no
document is open the entire Document menu should be greyed out.

I would suggest to check that TeX is installed: open System preferences
and make sure you have an item TeX Distribution. If you open that item you
should see a that TeXLive-2013 is selected.

If you don’t have TeX installed, go to http://tug.org/mactex/ and get it.

If TeX is installed do a Tools > Reconfigure
If it still doesn’t work open the Terminal and do a sudo texhash (you need
administrative permissions).
If it still doesn’t work try to reinstall LyX
If it still doesn’t work I am out of advices…

All the best!
Anders

Re: Figure besides

2014-05-08 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann



Am 07.05.2014 16:59, schrieb Richard Heck:

On 05/07/2014 04:17 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
Figure Besides is used to set the legend to the side of a (small) 
figure. It is used in this way:

Text. \FigBesBeg   \FigBesEnd More Text ...
I noticed that,  if the text after the \FigBesEnd (in ERT) follows 
immediately the tex-Box,

Text. \FigBesBeg   \FigBesEndMore Text ...
(that is, the More Text follows without a space)
I get an error:
\FigBesEndEs wurde vorgeschlagen, dass die Kontrolle der Transkription


The problem is that there is no space between your LaTeX command and 
the text. So LyX is

outputing:
\FigBesEndEs
which is not a LaTeX command. Just put a space at the end of your ERT 
(or else: {}).


Richard



Thanks, Richard,
but isn't it a bit strange to include a part (Es in my case) which is 
not inside the ERT-box? So one could actually right in the ERT box \F 
and outside of it igBesEnd (without space) and one would still get the 
ERT command executed?

Wolfgang

Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font

2014-05-08 Thread Bieniasz

Richard Heck  lyx.org> writes:

> Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes 
> particular classes,
> especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.
> 
> Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts. 
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know. 
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.

Leslaw

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 9:26 GMT+02:00 aparsloe:

>  Environments like LyX-Code, Quotation, Quote, Verse and the four list
> environments all  resolve to Standard on two returns. (But Verbatim
> doesn't. Perhaps it should?)
>

Oh, I see. This behavior obviously depends on whether KeepEmpty is true or
not. Frame has KeepEmpty == true (which makes sense with empty titles).
Maybe we should have something like KeepFirstEmpty. This needs to be
discussed.

Thanks
Jürgen


>
> Andrew
>

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread Murat Yildizoglu


Hi to all,

I have already signaled, some time ago I think, that this behaviour is 
somewhat cumbersome, and that the students (doctoral and post-doctoral 
students) to whom I was teaching LyX as a general front end to 
everything (R, PDF, etc.) were somewhat baffled by the operations 
necessary to create a simple frame. Since I was already adapted to the 
process (and automated many steps using Keyboard maestro macro player 
:-) ), I was a bit surprised by their strong reaction. So, I think that 
we should take into account these reactions.


If we can get back the switch to Standard function of the double 
returns, that would be an amelioration I think.


We had in the recent past some abusive criticisms in the list, but that 
should not make us immediately adopt a defensive discourse when a new 
criticism appears, especially if it is constructive and detailed as here.


Best regards,

Murat


Julio Rojas 
8 mai 2014 04:54
Dear Jürgen, there is no need for irony on your comments. Everybody is 
doing an honest effort to work with the "new" Beamer environment.


You have quoted the behavior of other environments as the reference 
for the "Frame" environment. If I am in a, for example, "Problem" 
environment and I want to get out of it into the standard environment, 
all I have to do is issue a couple of returns. This behavior is 
nowhere to be found in the "Frame" environment, as I can issue as many 
returns as I wish and the UI will accept them. This is, at least IMHO, 
a first in Lyx.


As for the behavior after getting out of the frame title, what Neal 
was explaining is related to the previous paragraph. After issuing 
return outside of the frame title, another return should get you to 
the standard environment. Then issuing a tab would indent this 
standard environment into the "Frame" environment and you can keep 
working. This is the behavior I was expecting from my experience with 
Lyx and all sorts of environments. In this moment, you can issue as 
many returns as you wish and Lyx would keep adding empty white lines 
of a "Frame" environment. This behavior is not only annoying and 
useless, to say the least, but also is nowhere to be found in other 
environments.


I hope that you understand our concerns.

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com 



Jürgen Spitzmüller 
7 mai 2014 17:46

Which brings up another question.  Alt-A return?  How could I have
discovered this?


Reading the beamer manual perhaps? Also, the shortcut is displayed in 
the respective menu (Edit). And it is also documented generally in the 
LyX manuals.


Jürgen
Neal Becker 
7 mai 2014 17:41
Which brings up another question.  Alt-A return?  How could I have 
discovered this?  If I look at Help/Shortcuts, I don't see it (or am I 
blind?)


I wish lyx had a way to discover things like emacs does.



Neal Becker 
7 mai 2014 17:38
After arrow right, return.
I can type some text.  Looks nice.  Oh, it's not nested in the frame. 
 Hit tab.


Now you have Frame inside Frame.



Jürgen Spitzmüller 
7 mai 2014 17:31
2014-05-07 17:14 GMT+02:00 Neal Becker:

OK, I'm confused here.  Let's consider workflow to make a bullet
chart.


I was talking about the Standard paragraph, not Itemize.

Insert sep.  Hit return.
Select Frame
Fill in Title
oops - return in title does nothing, navigate past title (right
arrow), hit
return


Easier:

Alt-A Return
Fill in title
Arrow right
Return

Now I'm in Frame.  Certainly not what I want - I don't even know
what this frame
in a frame would do.


I do not understand what you mean by "Frame in a frame". You are still 
in the same frame. Would you also say "Quotation in a quotation" if 
the style still is called "quotation" after hitting return? Or 
"Itemize in an itemize"? Or "Theorem in a Theorem"? Or, for that 
matter, "Standard in Standard"?


Switch to itemize
Use mouse to hit -> icon to nest itemize within frame.


Yes. The same as you need to do when using itemize in an Example box, 
or Quotation, or Theorem, or ...


Jürgen


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nice writeup of lyx2.1 in lwn.net

2014-05-08 Thread Neal Becker

Currently behind paywall.  But it includes this paragraph:


Improved support for math typesetting is hardly a surprise; TeX was originally 
created by Donald Knuth to help him typeset The Art of Computer Programming, 
and 
TeX is used heavily by math journals. Nevertheless, there is always room for 
advancement. LyX 2.1 improves on its formula-and-equation support by adding a 
document-wide "math font" setting (which will not get overwritten if one 
changes 
the font of other body text), by adding a unicode-math package that supports 
math OpenType fonts (such as STIX or XITS), and by adding a new inline 
"equation 
editor" mode.


I tried looking at my document settings/fonts, but I can't see what is meant:

" by adding a unicode-math package that supports math OpenType fonts (such as 
STIX or XITS)"

where would I see this feature?

Re: The persistent problem with svmono class and \boldsymbol font


On 05/08/2014 04:43 AM, Bieniasz wrote:

Richard Heck  lyx.org> writes:


Do you know if the problem arises simply using LaTeX? Sometimes
particular classes,
especially for journals, do redefine LaTeX commands, such as \boldsymbol.

Rihcard

I have wasted a whole day trying to figure out the origin
of the problem, and here are my conclusions:

I think now that this is not a problem with svmono, but a general
problem with LaTeX fonts. The svmono class assumes as default the
Serif / Times Roman fonts. The \boldsymbol command does not work
for this font. Although the bold+italic combination is properly visible
under Lyx in the math equations, it does not appear in pdf files,
supposedly because there are no suitable fonts.
All other fonts do not exhibit this deficiency, and \boldsymbol
works OK for them.

I have found a workaround that may be acceptable, although not ideal.
The idea is to insert the following command into the equation:

\textbf{\textit{XX}}

where XX is the symbol to be displayed in the bold+italic form.

This produces the desired effect in the pdf file, although the letters
are somewhat bigger than other letters.

I have a feeling that this problem should be widely known,
so that I am surprised that noone has been able to respond
constructively to my messages. Or, maybe there are better solutions?
If there are, I would be happy to know.
Someone suggested to use the isomath package, but this gives
a worse result, in my opinion, than the above solution, as for the
Serif / Times Roman fonts the bold form does not appear in pdf.


As you say, this is a (La)TeX problem, not a LyX problem, and while 
there are people
here who know a fair bit about TeX, we're not generally TeXperts. You 
might try asking

about this on one of the LaTeX forums, or (better) comp.text.tex.

Richard

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 12:37 GMT+02:00 Murat Yildizoglu:

> We had in the recent past some abusive criticisms in the list, but that
> should not make us immediately adopt a defensive discourse when a new
> criticism appears, especially if it is constructive and detailed as here.
>

Let me stress, in case it has been conceived differently, that I am
extremely grateful for any feedback on the new UI, and I am aware that it
needs to be improved. Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and
that this UI was not changed for the sake of changing the UI, but since
this was simply unavoidable.

All feedback is received and noted.

Jürgen

revtex4.1

Hello,

I have an issue with the revtex4.1 package:
For example, I cannot have an abstract!

In addition I get a compilation error which does not seem to be due to lyx:

(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps4-1.rtx)

Class revtex4-1 Warning: No journal specified, using default pra.

(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps12pt4-1.rtx)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/textcase/textcase.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/url/url.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/natbib/natbib.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/revsymb4-1.sty))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-local/texmf-compat/tex/latex/html/latin9.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/color.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/latexconfig/color.cfg)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvipsnam.def))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-english/english.ldf
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.def)))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/verbatim.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/longtable.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty)

! LaTeX Error: File `rotfloat.sty' not found.



while the file 

/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty

is right!!

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Re: revtex4.1

Sorry for the noise.

Every thing is fixed.
No worry.


> - Original Message -
> From: Patrick Dupre
> Sent: 05/08/14 04:35 PM
> To: lyx
> Subject: revtex4.1
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have an issue with the revtex4.1 package:
> For example, I cannot have an abstract!
> 
> In addition I get a compilation error which does not seem to be due to lyx:
> 
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps4-1.rtx)
> 
> Class revtex4-1 Warning: No journal specified, using default pra.
> 
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/aps12pt4-1.rtx)
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/textcase/textcase.sty)
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/url/url.sty)
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/natbib/natbib.sty)
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/revtex/revsymb4-1.sty))
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def))
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-local/texmf-compat/tex/latex/html/latin9.def))
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/color.sty
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/latexconfig/color.cfg)
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def)
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/dvipsnam.def))
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.sty
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-english/english.ldf
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.def)))
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/verbatim.sty)
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tools/longtable.sty)
> (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty)
> 
> ! LaTeX Error: File `rotfloat.sty' not found.
> 
> 
> 
> while the file 
> 
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/float/float.sty
> 
> is right!!
> 
> ===
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>  Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
>  Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale           | |
>  Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12                   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
>  189A, avenue Maurice Schumann                 | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
> ===


===
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 Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale           | |
 Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12                   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
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Re: creating my first lyx doc

-Original Message-
From: Barry Brent 
Date: Thursday 8 May 2014 16:52
To: Anders Ekberg 
Cc: Richard Heck , ,
, Benjamin Piwowarski 
Subject: Re: creating my first lyx doc

>Anders, hi.
>
>I checked and there is no file with the name ³TeX Distribution² on my
>machine!
>
>I¹ll get one. Not sure where I should put it however.
>
>Barry

Jus so I understand you: You clicked the Apple menu, and then System
Preferences. 
In the System Preferences pane there was no TeX Distribution.

If this is the case, go to:
http://tug.org/mactex/
Download MacTeX.pkg
(direct link http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/mac/mactex/MacTeX.pkg )
Note: It is a BIG download (2.3 GB)
Once Downloaded double-click the Installation package and follow the
instructions (use the default options unless you are sure about something
else).
Once installed launch LyX.
Open Tutorial (Help > Tutorial)
If the Document > View other formats is still blank select Tools >
Reconfigure. Once the reconfiguring is done quit and then restart LyX.
Open Tutorial. Now you should be able to select Document > View [PDF
(pdflatex)] and the pdf document should open in Preview. If not we
continune from there.

All the best!
Anders

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
> 2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and

Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the 
previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to go 
that way)?

Pavel

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

>
> Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the
> previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to
> go that way)?


Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
for experienced users, though.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > Let me just rephrase that we cannot go back to the
> > 2.0 UI (for the technical reasons I have explained in previous posts) and
>
> Another wild idea: what about adding new frame environment containing the
> previous separator by default (kind of 2.0 behaviour if user still want to
> go that way)?
>
> Pavel
>

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

Julio Rojas wrote:
> Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
> for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes 
the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough. Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and you 
are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
nesting. Doable but steals time.

Pavel

Re: How to tell LyX to add empty line after paragraphs of my style?

2014-05-08 Thread Roman Inflianskas

> Hit the "TeX" button, press return and then close the inset.

I'm sorry for late response. I didn't get your response into the mailbox
(may be I configured my email incorrectly).

Thank you, it works and looks better, than -separator-.

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0


On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Julio Rojas wrote:

Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is faster
for experienced users, though.

No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator makes 
the document
more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.

Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to insert new
environment on places where information about new frame was enough. Changing
some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast just go
through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and you 
are
done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
nesting. Doable but steals time.


No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are 
all great

suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
test it after alpha1?

That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively could
come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did
the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely
best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that 
is also

doable.

Richard

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my
academic life in which everything is on the "production" branch, so testing
of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time.
So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me if
I would like to update Lyx to 2.1. :(

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by "no need" to indent the
paragraph after a frame title for the text to remain within the "Frame". I
thought that by saying it was a "Frame" environment, the text would not
behave as a standard indented standard environment. My mistake.
Nevertheless, indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this
"Frame". Anyways, as I continuously use "Theorems" (and derivatives), I
usually found myself indenting these environments into a "Frame", so
indenting standard text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
Beamer slides... ;)

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:

> On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>
>> Julio Rojas wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is
>>> faster
>>> for experienced users, though.
>>>
>> No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator
>> makes the document
>> more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.
>>
>> Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to
>> insert new
>> environment on places where information about new frame was enough.
>> Changing
>> some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast
>> just go
>> through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and
>> you are
>> done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
>> nesting. Doable but steals time.
>>
>
> No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are all
> great
> suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
> test it after alpha1?
>
> That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively
> could
> come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did
> the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely
> best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that is
> also
> doable.
>
> Richard
>
>

Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread Liviu Andronic

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
> I feel your pain Richard, I really do. Unfortunately, I am in a phase of my
> academic life in which everything is on the "production" branch, so testing
> of Lyx RC's for my documents was a big no-no. Couldn't risk loosing time.
> So, sad as it seems, I only noticed these changes after Ubuntu asked me if I
> would like to update Lyx to 2.1. :(
>
You can still downgrade. (BUT do this only if you haven't already
saved your .lyx files with 2.1.) Go to
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release/+packages?field.name_filter=_filter=superseded_filter=
, select 'Superseeded packages', then manually download the 2.0.7
packages, and install them using 'gdebi'. Consider uninstalling 2.1.0
first.

Liviu


> BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by "no need" to indent the paragraph
> after a frame title for the text to remain within the "Frame". I thought
> that by saying it was a "Frame" environment, the text would not behave as a
> standard indented standard environment. My mistake. Nevertheless,
> indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this "Frame".
> Anyways, as I continuously use "Theorems" (and derivatives), I usually found
> myself indenting these environments into a "Frame", so indenting standard
> text is kind of a natural extension for me.
>
> Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
> Beamer slides... ;)
>
> -
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:
>>
>> On 05/08/2014 02:51 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>>>
>>> Julio Rojas wrote:

 Maybe for beginners it wouldn't be a bad idea. Alt-P Shift-Return is
 faster
 for experienced users, though.
>>>
>>> No, this was not intended for beginners. The need of individual separator
>>> makes the document
>>> more fragile and more cumbersome in 90% of cases.
>>>
>>> Fragile because it's easy to forget. Cumbersome because you need to
>>> insert new
>>> environment on places where information about new frame was enough.
>>> Changing
>>> some document into beamer used to be breeze for me - if you want it fast
>>> just go
>>> through document and turn sections into frames, delete some pargraphs and
>>> you are
>>> done. Now you have to insert mostly superficial separator and care about
>>> nesting. Doable but steals time.
>>
>>
>> No offense to anyone, but if I were Jurgen, I'd be thinking: These are all
>> great
>> suggestions, but how long was this in master? How long did people have to
>> test it after alpha1?
>>
>> That said, it would be great if those of us who use Beamer extensively
>> could
>> come up with some concrete ideas about how the UI should work. Jurgen did
>> the hard work. This should just be tweaking, though perhaps the absolutely
>> best version involves something like a new layout tag. If so, then that is
>> also
>> doable.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>



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Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0

2014-05-08 Thread David L. Johnson


On 05/08/2014 09:52 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:

BTW, now I understand what Jurgen meant by "no need" to indent the paragraph
after a frame title for the text to remain within the "Frame". I thought
that by saying it was a "Frame" environment, the text would not behave as a
standard indented standard environment. My mistake. Nevertheless,
indentation gives a clear idea that this text belongs to this "Frame".
Anyways, as I continuously use "Theorems" (and derivatives), I usually found
myself indenting these environments into a "Frame", so indenting standard
text is kind of a natural extension for me.

Thanks for the hard work dudes. I will go back to my never-ending stream of
Beamer slides...


I had been waiting until the end of my semester, and also waiting for 
debian testing to go to 2.1, to upgrade.  But I saw that debian was not 
upgrading until they find a new maintainer (more than I have the time 
for), and classes are done, so I compiled 2.1 today.  I looked at the 
Beamer changes first, since that would likely be the most difficult.


I was pleased to see that my old (fairly simple) Beamer files imported 
automatically.  I see now the issues with the frames.  It could be 
easier to navigate between depths and environments, and it will catch me 
now and again to remember to separate Frame environments, but it isn't 
too awkward for now.  I guess the question is whether to treat the 
beginning of a Frame similarly to the treatment of a Section, or to 
treat it more like a Theorem or quotation environment.  Following LaTeX 
treatment is probably best in the long run.  Getting out of such an 
environment could be easier.  Why does a plain frame have space for a title?



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Re: Beamer in Lyx 2.1.0