RE: Setting up I Mac
It sounds like almost certainly the Mac is looking for a Bluetooth device, either a magic trackpad, wireless mouse or Bluetooth keyboard. In theory these devices should already be paired if you have bought this Imac from Apple. Have you tried the keyboard? Specifically using control option left and right arrow to read the dialogue box? Starting with the keyboard, if it is wireless, check that the batteries are inserted so that the keyboard can communicate with the Imac. Once this is done then use VO right and left arrow to see if you can navigate around the dialogue box to see what the message refers to. If it is a magic Trackpad issue then you need to unscrew the battery plug at the end of the circular foot under underneath the track Pad and insert the batteries here also. The batteries, to my mind are inserted counter intuitively on the Magic Trackpad. That is the pointed end of the batteries point towards the springed interior of the Trackpad. I do not use a wireless mouse or keyboard so I cannot give full instructions here. This is one of the reasons I preferred the wired extended Apple keyboard as you have guaranteed connection, extra USB Ports and extended keyboard for using numpad commander. Opinions vary but I would give serious thought to getting an extended keyboard with a numpad as this revolutionises the ease with which Voiceover can be used with an Imac. Purely personally I also purchased an old style chunky Imac wired keyboard as opposed to the thin modern version as I found this vastly more comfortable to type on. David Griffith Hopefully this is enough to get you past the first window. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of George Cham Sent: 20 February 2013 09:54 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Setting up I Mac Hi guys, I've unpacked I Mac, and set it up. All systems are go. Well, all most. When I turned it on, it asked me to select country. Now I'm stuck. Every time I turn on Mac, it shows me pictures of how to install batteries. How do I buy pass this screen, and continue setting up the machine? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
I Mac.
Hi list, I went to the apple store, and am very impressed with the I Mac computer. The one I saw had 1tb of storage. My question is, is their enough space on a 1tb to install windows alongside mountain lion? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: I Mac.
Hi George, Yep 1TB is absolutely loads for that kind of thing. All the best, Dónal On 24 Jan 2013, at 10:32, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi list, I went to the apple store, and am very impressed with the I Mac computer. The one I saw had 1tb of storage. My question is, is their enough space on a 1tb to install windows alongside mountain lion? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: I Mac.
That's plenty of room no matter how you want to set your system up. Be aware though, there's a lot to considder before getting a mac. Don't get me wrong, I love my mac to bits but it was a hard move and unless you have someone with some experience to help you set it up, it can be a daunting task. You have to considder weather you want to use it as mainly a windows machine which means, probably loading windows on a bootcamp partission or if you want to make the step into using OS10 mountainLion in which case, you may wish to put windows on a vertual machine so you can run it along side OS10. Both setups have there pros and cons but the work is researching what suits your needs best. The mac has a slightly different keyboard layout so your key remapping solution will vary depending on how you want to run windows. Bottom line though, iMacs, macbooks etc are well built machines that are very stable when set up correctly. Even if I decide to install windows down the track, I'll never be going back to pc hardware with all the stupid componant inconsistancies and driver conflicts etc. If you have any questions etc, I'm happy to answer them off list. Kind regards, Danny: Sent from my iPhone On 24/01/2013, at 9:32 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi list, I went to the apple store, and am very impressed with the I Mac computer. The one I saw had 1tb of storage. My question is, is their enough space on a 1tb to install windows alongside mountain lion? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Keyboard for I-Mac
One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Keyboard for I-Mac
Hello David: Go to macsales.com, I can't remember the name of the keyboard but the one I think you want is roughly $19.00. They have a toll free number but I don't have that, writing from work. Take care, John Original Message: - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:18:42 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Keyboard for I-Mac One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Keyboard for I-Mac
Gordon: I believe this is what you are looking for. smile Phone: 800.275.4576 | International: 815.338.8685 Take care, John Original Message: - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:05:05 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: Keyboard for I-Mac Hi John I, and I'm sure others, would appreciate that if you wouldn't mind. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:45, g...@tznet.com wrote: Hi Gordon: I am not certain if International or not but I can call them when I get home and ask if you like. Take care, John Original Message: - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:36:51 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: Keyboard for I-Mac Hi John Do these people sell internationally? I'll have a look at that site as I'm in the market for some Mac accessories. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:27, g...@tznet.com wrote: Hello David: Go to macsales.com, I can't remember the name of the keyboard but the one I think you want is roughly $19.00. They have a toll free number but I don't have that, writing from work. Take care, John Original Message: - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:18:42 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Keyboard for I-Mac One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman
Re: Keyboard for I-Mac
Hi John, David, Gordon, and Others, The site that John references is Other World Computing, which recently came up as a source for information about maximum memory upgrades. They do have an international sales telephone number, too: International: (815) 338-8685 I assume you need to use the U.S. Country Code (+1) before that number. In the U.S. there is a toll-free number: (800) 275-4576 I was going to suggest the Macally keyboards, which I believe is what John was recommending at the OWC macsales site: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Macally/IKEY5/ This product can also be purchased from U.S. sites like Amazon and Newegg. Here's an Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B6HYP6/ Macally has international sales, so you could go to their Macally European web site: http://www.macally-europe.com/ They also make Bluetooth keyboards with numeric keypads. Generally, their keys have more travel, similar to the older style desktop keyboards. The keyboards also work with PCs, although they are designed for Macs. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 25, 2011, at 05:05, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi John I, and I'm sure others, would appreciate that if you wouldn't mind. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:45, g...@tznet.com wrote: Hi Gordon: I am not certain if International or not but I can call them when I get home and ask if you like. Take care, John Original Message: - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:36:51 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: Keyboard for I-Mac Hi John Do these people sell internationally? I'll have a look at that site as I'm in the market for some Mac accessories. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:27, g...@tznet.com wrote: Hello David: Go to macsales.com, I can't remember the name of the keyboard but the one I think you want is roughly $19.00. They have a toll free number but I don't have that, writing from work. Take care, John Original Message: - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:18:42 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Keyboard for I-Mac One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Keyboard for I-Mac
Yes, that is the keyboard I was trying to remember. smile Take care, John Hello Esther: Original Message: - From: Esther mori...@mac.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:33:35 -1000 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: Keyboard for I-Mac Hi John, David, Gordon, and Others, The site that John references is Other World Computing, which recently came up as a source for information about maximum memory upgrades. They do have an international sales telephone number, too: International: (815) 338-8685 I assume you need to use the U.S. Country Code (+1) before that number. In the U.S. there is a toll-free number: (800) 275-4576 I was going to suggest the Macally keyboards, which I believe is what John was recommending at the OWC macsales site: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Macally/IKEY5/ This product can also be purchased from U.S. sites like Amazon and Newegg. Here's an Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B6HYP6/ Macally has international sales, so you could go to their Macally European web site: http://www.macally-europe.com/ They also make Bluetooth keyboards with numeric keypads. Generally, their keys have more travel, similar to the older style desktop keyboards. The keyboards also work with PCs, although they are designed for Macs. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 25, 2011, at 05:05, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi John I, and I'm sure others, would appreciate that if you wouldn't mind. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:45, g...@tznet.com wrote: Hi Gordon: I am not certain if International or not but I can call them when I get home and ask if you like. Take care, John Original Message: - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:36:51 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: Keyboard for I-Mac Hi John Do these people sell internationally? I'll have a look at that site as I'm in the market for some Mac accessories. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:27, g...@tznet.com wrote: Hello David: Go to macsales.com, I can't remember the name of the keyboard but the one I think you want is roughly $19.00. They have a toll free number but I don't have that, writing from work. Take care, John Original Message: - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:18:42 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Keyboard for I-Mac One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
Re: Keyboard for I-Mac
Hi John American phone numbers, implies they don't have International stores. Thanks for checking. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 16:22, g...@tznet.com wrote: Gordon: I believe this is what you are looking for. smile Phone: 800.275.4576 | International: 815.338.8685 Take care, John Original Message: - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:05:05 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: Keyboard for I-Mac Hi John I, and I'm sure others, would appreciate that if you wouldn't mind. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:45, g...@tznet.com wrote: Hi Gordon: I am not certain if International or not but I can call them when I get home and ask if you like. Take care, John Original Message: - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:36:51 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: Keyboard for I-Mac Hi John Do these people sell internationally? I'll have a look at that site as I'm in the market for some Mac accessories. Gordon On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:27, g...@tznet.com wrote: Hello David: Go to macsales.com, I can't remember the name of the keyboard but the one I think you want is roughly $19.00. They have a toll free number but I don't have that, writing from work. Take care, John Original Message: - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:18:42 +0100 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Keyboard for I-Mac One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan
Re: Keyboard for I-Mac
David, Have you got the full size keyboard, i.e. the one with the numeric keypad? That is the one I have, and the keys are a bit larger, still very flat but I now love it. I dread using my PC keyboard now as the keys seem so clunky. Give it time, you might grow to love it. On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:18, David Griffith wrote: One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Keyboard for I-Mac
Yes I have the full size keyboard but for several years now I have used an ergonomic split keyboard on my PC which was a joy to use. For example the keys had really good positive travel and were easily and naturally found in the touch typing position. The function keys were grouped into sections, as were numbers, rather than in a long single row. This makes them much faster and easier to quickly identify function and number keys. Now I have moved to the ultra thin keyboard which comes with the I-Mac my typing speed and accuracy has plummeted and more importantly the lack of any inbuilt wrist support has started to give me pain in the wrists and backs of my hands after using the keyboard for only a short time. I have tried adding a wrist support but the keyboard is so thin it is hard to use with a normal wrist support. What I really need is an ergonomic keyboard for the Mac that is sold in the UK. I have been emailing various suppliers but have not had any replies yet. Regards David Griffith On 25 Aug 2011, at 17:49, Chris Moore wrote: David, Have you got the full size keyboard, i.e. the one with the numeric keypad? That is the one I have, and the keys are a bit larger, still very flat but I now love it. I dread using my PC keyboard now as the keys seem so clunky. Give it time, you might grow to love it. On 25 Aug 2011, at 15:18, David Griffith wrote: One of the things I do not like about my new I-Mac is most definitely the keyboard. I have tried to replace this by experimenting with 2 different PC keyboards with the keyboard assistant but the I-Mac has failed to properly recognise either of them. The first one would only have the num pad working properly whilst the second had some functionality with the qwerty keyboard but no response at all from the num pad. I spoke to someone from the apple store and he said that PC keyboards were not really compatible with the Mac. It seems that buying a modern windows ergonomic keyboard would not work. Looking on Google there are loads of people reporting problems with using PC keyboards. Unfortunately Apple only sell now the ultra thin keyboards which is what I am trying to replace. He suggested I buy a second hand A1016 keyboard which came with the first I-Macs. Has anybody used these? What I need is a keyboard with at least a bit of travel to the key presses and which are easily felt. The present I-Mac keyboard has such thin keys I am constantly feeling around the keyboard. Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6409 (20110825) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk
Re: Turning on the I-Mac
I'm sure this must have been answered long ago, but with my Imac it's on the back of the machine and on the left extreme of the back at that. Hope you got your machine going and that all is well. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracydu...@nc.rr.com On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Turning on the I-Mac
Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Turning on the I-Mac
David, The circle you are feeling on the front below the screen is actually the Apple logo. You will find the power button on the back of the iMac. Place your left hand on the left hand side of the iMac and gently feel around to the back bottom corner and you should find a round power button. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 13:01, David Griffith wrote: Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Turning on the I-Mac
Hi David and Chris Oopse! Shows how long it is since I used an iMac. Sorry about that, I got the wrong corner. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 13:11, Chris Moore wrote: David, The circle you are feeling on the front below the screen is actually the Apple logo. You will find the power button on the back of the iMac. Place your left hand on the left hand side of the iMac and gently feel around to the back bottom corner and you should find a round power button. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 13:01, David Griffith wrote: Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Turning on the I-Mac
Thanks for all the help. I am up an running now. The Mac is so much quieter than my old rattling PC it may even cause my wife to forgive how much I have spent on it. Some things are ridiculously easy. Getting online was a breeze compared to the blood sweat and tears I have had to exert on PCs over the years. There is still obviously a learning curve. A few initial queries. My I-Mac shipped with Daniel as the default voice. I think I would prefer Alex, at least for typing echo. I have gone into voice properties by pressing VO command and right arrow but I cannot change from Daniel in these properties. Any comments? I cannot get into voiceover utility so it looks like I need to change the function key setting in system preferences but I am getting a little lost in these at the moment. I am trying to dig up a podcast where I am sure that this is described in system preferences. The final oddity at the moment is that there are 2 F5 keys on my keyboard. Does anybody know why this would be the case? Thanks again for the help. Regards David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hill Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 13:13 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Turning on the I-Mac Hi David, If you are facing the computer, take your left hand and reach around the back of the unit, at the bottom left corner. Maybe 3 inches from the bottom left corner you should find a round button almost flush with the back of the device. The button is concave. This is the power button. Hope that helps. Bob Hill On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6379 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6379 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6379 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Turning on the I-Mac
Hi! Another thing that may be useful is to add System Preferences to your dock. This can be done by going to your Applications folder with Command-Shift-A, then typing the first few letters of System. Then, when you are on it, hit Command-Shift-T to add it to the Dock. Incidentally, you can also locate System preferences in the dock if it is running and not yet added permanently to the dock, then hit VO-Shift-M to bring up its contextual menu. This will display all the categories contained within System Preferences, and you can then select the Options submenu and select Keep in dock. Additionally, even if System Preferences is not running but added to the dock, selecting a category from the dock item's contextual menu (brought up with VO-Shift-M) will open that particular preference pane. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Bob Hill wrote: HI David and all, Well, let's see what we can find out. When I use VO-command-right arrow, I can move to the property I want to change. I then move with VO-Command-up arrow, or down arrow to change that particular property. To change the keyboard function key behavior, I go to system preferences by hitting the VO-m combination, finding the Apple menu, moving down until I hit system preferences, then hitting VO-spacebar on that. Then, I hit VO-Right arrow until I get to the scroll area, then interact with it by pressing shift-VO-down arrow. Then I hit VO-down arrow until I hear hardware Next, I press VO-right arrow until I hear keyboard and then interact with that by hitting VO-spacebar. Then, I VO-right arrow until I hear keyboard tab which should be selected. If not, then press VO-spacebar to select. Now keep hitting VO-right arrow until you hear the item related to function keys. This is a checkbox which needs to be checked. Just hit VO-spacebar on it if it isn't checked. Then you can close the system preferences window, and now you should be able to use those keys to get to VO utilities, and other VO functions. I'm not sure about the 2 f5 keys. Again, I hope this is helpful. Bob Hill On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, David Griffith wrote: Thanks for all the help. I am up an running now. The Mac is so much quieter than my old rattling PC it may even cause my wife to forgive how much I have spent on it. Some things are ridiculously easy. Getting online was a breeze compared to the blood sweat and tears I have had to exert on PCs over the years. There is still obviously a learning curve. A few initial queries. My I-Mac shipped with Daniel as the default voice. I think I would prefer Alex, at least for typing echo. I have gone into voice properties by pressing VO command and right arrow but I cannot change from Daniel in these properties. Any comments? I cannot get into voiceover utility so it looks like I need to change the function key setting in system preferences but I am getting a little lost in these at the moment. I am trying to dig up a podcast where I am sure that this is described in system preferences. The final oddity at the moment is that there are 2 F5 keys on my keyboard. Does anybody know why this would be the case? Thanks again for the help. Regards David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hill Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 13:13 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Turning on the I-Mac Hi David, If you are facing the computer, take your left hand and reach around the back of the unit, at the bottom left corner. Maybe 3 inches from the bottom left corner you should find a round button almost flush with the back of the device. The button is concave. This is the power button. Hope that helps. Bob Hill On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan
Should I delay buying I-Mac
The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money Apple are asking me for. It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original install confident everything works well. This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on Windows machines over the years. Any comments __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6339 (20110731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac
David The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money Apple are asking me for. It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original install confident everything works well. This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on Windows machines over the years. Any comments __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6339 (20110731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac
Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called popovers, and is accessed via a Downloads button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. I wish you luck, in any case. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: David The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money Apple are asking me for. It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original install confident everything works well. This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on Windows machines over the years. Any comments __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6339 (20110731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please
Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac
Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple download starting message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like downloading and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called popovers, and is accessed via a Downloads button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. I wish you luck, in any case. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: David The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money Apple are asking me for. It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original install confident everything works well. This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems upgrades include risks of accessibility
Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac
Hi Donal This has been bugged with Apple and will be fixed. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple download starting message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like downloading and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called popovers, and is accessed via a Downloads button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. I wish you luck, in any case. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: David The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money Apple are asking me for. It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original install confident everything works well. This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac
Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac
Hi! Yeah, I ended up bugging this the first time I saw this. I'm glad we can all collaborate and fix bugs, especially something as minor as this one. It's a bit strange that this wasn't even considered, since we've even been asking for sounds when a download completes. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Yes indeed Gordon, And thanks for doing so. On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:01, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Donal This has been bugged with Apple and will be fixed. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple download starting message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like downloading and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called popovers, and is accessed via a Downloads button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. I wish you luck, in any case. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: David The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions I need an accessible computer
Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac]
Hello Dónal, I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple download starting message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like downloading and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called popovers, and is accessed via a Downloads button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. I wish you luck, in any case. Regards, Nic --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus
Re: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac]
Hi gordon, For the record, Cups is hardly new or unique to Apple. Linux and Unix systems have had it for years, and in fact OS X has as well, just somewhat disguised. It has always been possible to connect to a specific port on your macs and access Cups's web interface. Cheers, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:12 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Esther The situation has changed radically with Lion. In Jim's case, he has the hardware which comes with OS X Server pre-installed, I believe. This hardware is customised for OSX Server and cannot run anything else. It won't boot from a DVD or pen drive, as I understand it. Jim, I believe, wanted the twin HD and the I7 processor, but doesn't need the server stuff. Actually it's my experience that the server software would impede the regular use of applications in some situations because it requires specific configuration data to be present. My understanding is that you can't install the regular version of Lion on this hardware platform. As for the downloads, I'm not sure whether you're using Lion yet. But this has also changed. There is no longer a download window to interact with. So you need to press the Download button on the Safari toolbar before you get any interaction with the downloads. In our case, you're correct that we need full server-side functionality. Jim probably wasn't aware of the situation with the Mac Mini Server before he bought it, and that's entirely understandable. Lion Server is grossly different in many respects from earlier versions. For a start, Print Services, Quicktime Streaming and MYSQL service are not supported any longer. Print Services has been replaced by what a Apple calls Cups and the rest has been dropped completely. Why they opted to drop MYSQL I'm not entirely sure, but they have. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: Hello Dónal, I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple download starting message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like downloading and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called popovers, and is accessed via a Downloads button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari
Re: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac]
Hi Zachary yes, I know; but not in its current high profile status. Cups has now replaced printer services totally. For instance if you can access it http://localnost/admin:631 I think that's the interface they use. I haven't tried it but that's from memory. On 1 Aug 2011, at 14:28, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi gordon, For the record, Cups is hardly new or unique to Apple. Linux and Unix systems have had it for years, and in fact OS X has as well, just somewhat disguised. It has always been possible to connect to a specific port on your macs and access Cups's web interface. Cheers, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:12 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Esther The situation has changed radically with Lion. In Jim's case, he has the hardware which comes with OS X Server pre-installed, I believe. This hardware is customised for OSX Server and cannot run anything else. It won't boot from a DVD or pen drive, as I understand it. Jim, I believe, wanted the twin HD and the I7 processor, but doesn't need the server stuff. Actually it's my experience that the server software would impede the regular use of applications in some situations because it requires specific configuration data to be present. My understanding is that you can't install the regular version of Lion on this hardware platform. As for the downloads, I'm not sure whether you're using Lion yet. But this has also changed. There is no longer a download window to interact with. So you need to press the Download button on the Safari toolbar before you get any interaction with the downloads. In our case, you're correct that we need full server-side functionality. Jim probably wasn't aware of the situation with the Mac Mini Server before he bought it, and that's entirely understandable. Lion Server is grossly different in many respects from earlier versions. For a start, Print Services, Quicktime Streaming and MYSQL service are not supported any longer. Print Services has been replaced by what a Apple calls Cups and the rest has been dropped completely. Why they opted to drop MYSQL I'm not entirely sure, but they have. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: Hello Dónal, I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple download starting message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like downloading and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window
Re: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac]
That is correct Esther. in the past Safari had a download manager which would open upon clicking a link that initiated a file download which was not a html/shtml or gif, jpeg or png file. A blind person was able to establish that a download had started as VO would announce that the Download manager window had opened (in most cases people kept it closed, so it being opened prompted VO to speak) The knew popup download manager is more integrated into Safari and does not open/popup when a download is initiated, which means a blind person has no clue that the download has started. It would be very useful if there was a sound or a vocal prompt to notify users that a download has commenced. It would also be very useful to also be notified when the download was complete too. iTunes informs you when a file has downloaded or a sync has been completed, so why can't Safari? While we are added, they should add file completion alerts to the Mac app store too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: Hello Dónal, I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple download starting message could happen? Dónal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like downloading and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called popovers, and is accessed via a Downloads button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight
Re: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac]
Travis, 1. I agree Safari and VO have always worked fine when opening and switching between windows. I guess I use tabs as I used to be able to see, and I hated clutter and too many windows open. Tabs are so neat and clutter free in my mind's eye too. i am just knit picking I guess, but I think it is an oversight as the tabs themselves have the title of the web page written on them and when you switch to a new tab the title appears on the window title bar too. So for VO not to pick up on this is lazy programming in my opinion. I use Windows a lot, so guess I get used to some of the bells and whistles you become used to with JAWS. 2. I think Gordon's point was that it was quicker and more accessible being able to navigate a print services window instead of having to navigate around a web interface via Safari. 3. I also agree with you on the conversations / thread matter. Apple have tried to make their threads look more like conversations that appear in the iPhone and the forth coming iMessage facility, so I guess they are trying to bundle everything up. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 17:51, Travis Siegel wrote: Just a couple things here. 1. I don't use tabs, but switching between windows using command-tilde in safari has always read the title of the current page, all the way back to tiger. If tabs don't work this way, then it seems simple enough not to use them. I was under the impression that tabs did nothing for vo users, but of course, I'm always willing to be corrected on that point. 2. Cups is not unique to apple. As Zachery pointed out, it's been in unix oses for years and years, and (yes, even in osx) In fact, we use cups in tiger to talk to one of our printers which is network capable, and it's plugged into the tiger machine, because that's the one with the server software on it (well, it did, but not anymore, but it's still tiger) Linux, and even windows supports cups as well with the proper drivers, so this is just apple finally moving to match the rest of the computing community. Although, I really need to question their need to change mail's threading to conversations, when every other mail client on the planet calls them threads, calling them conversations is only going to confuse folks to no purpose, but that's neither here nor there. When I'm able, I fully intend to obtain lion server, but that won't be for a few months at least, gotta upgrade some machines first, and replace a broken interconnect board in one mac mini, then upgrade it's memory to meet lion requirements. I'm reading the lion server threads (yes, I said threads not conversations) with great pleasure, as it allows me to learn in advance what to watch out for, and what works out of the box so to speak. I'm sure I'll have a whole lot more to say once Ihave lion server setup, but until then, all I can do is sit here and wish. :) --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac
hello Mike On 2 Aug 2011, at 01:00, Mike Arrigo wrote: • First, if you ordered an imac now, it may still come with snow leppard. I've been using lion now for a few days, sure there are some minor issues, but certainly no show stoppers. I would go ahead and order the imac, you should be fine. I believe that, according to the website, they are shipping Lion now. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
