Hi! Yeah, I ended up bugging this the first time I saw this. I'm glad we can all collaborate and fix bugs, especially something as minor as this one. It's a bit strange that this wasn't even considered, since we've even been asking for sounds when a download completes.
Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yes indeed Gordon, And thanks for doing so. > On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:01, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Donal >> >> This has been bugged with Apple and will be fixed. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion >> was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to >> ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a >> download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is >> simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus >> moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of >> multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" >> message could happen? >> >> Dónal >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Nic, >>> >>> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new >>> download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on >>> a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was >>> disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of >>> the web page when switching between tabs. >>> >>> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but >>> quite rare. >>> >>> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to >>> remove the optical drive from that too. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gordon, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of >>>> these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things >>>> including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. >>>> One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a >>>> window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called >>>> "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari >>>> toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is >>>> perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. >>>> Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit >>>> engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot >>>> of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>>> >>>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they >>>> seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may >>>> be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible >>>> workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to >>>> nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of >>>> them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver >>>> not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump >>>> to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important >>>> thing to understand. >>>> >>>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed >>>> straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds >>>> very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple >>>> cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, >>>> that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update >>>> depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>>> >>>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a >>>> friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly >>>> get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you >>>> want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that >>>>> you'd get. >>>>> >>>>> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and >>>>> so, unreservedly, just condemn. >>>>> >>>>> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that >>>>> there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few >>>>> days >>>>> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I >>>>> Mac >>>>> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with >>>>> subjects >>>>> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >>>>> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >>>>> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari >>>>> web >>>>> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic >>>>> functions >>>>> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >>>>> Apple are asking me for. >>>>> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >>>>> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >>>>> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply >>>>> corrective >>>>> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >>>>> install confident everything works well. >>>>> >>>>> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >>>>> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. 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