Re: To Chris Moore!
Yes Adium and iChat work fie with VO, they are not perfect yet but are heading in the right direction and for 98% of the time both IM clients do the job well. On 28 Aug 2010, at 06:27, Simon Fogarty wrote: And both going by this list, work well with VO? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 9:28 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: To Chris Moore! Yes it supports Jabber, simply go to the File menu and click on add account and you will see Jabber in the sub menu. iChat also supports Jabber too. Chris On 25 Aug 2010, at 10:11, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi List, Just a quick question on adium, Does adium work with the jabba protocol / as a jabba chat client? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of focus Sent: Monday, 23 August 2010 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: focus Subject: Re: To Chris Moore! Hi Chris! I've downloaded adium and I think I've got it set up ok! But have not had a chat on facebook yet!! Many thanks . Colin Skype focus_66 On 21 Aug 2010, at 01:57, Chris Moore wrote: Hi Colin, First of all you can try the obvious by using http://m.facebook.com which is the stripped down version and works very well. However I am not a fan of this version as every time you delete something or make a change the page reloads to do a refresh as javascript is removed from this version. Using FB chat is doable but its tricky, I usually VO left arrow as soon as I load FB, but now I tend to chat on FB via an external chat client as it makes it easier when chatting to more than one person at the same time. I use Adium as I can chat to friends on MSN at the same time, AOL Messenger and iChat also allow this facility. As for navigating the main FB page, I tend to use group mode quite a lot as FB is basically a 3 column design with a banner of links going from left to right at the top of the page. Group mode also makes it easier moving up and down etc within your inbox as this is a table of rows and columns. I usually find the what is on your mind button with either the item chooser by filtering the results by typing in mind (does not always work) or by using the forms rota and typing in mind there. Lately though, I have invested in a Magic Trackpad (if you have a Macbook than you have a smaller version of one of these already built into your mac) and this makes it easy to find stuff just by moving around with one finger. The whats on your mind field is always near the top in the middle column . FB is not the best site to work on, in fact its even a bit of a mess when you are sighted too. I used to get very frustrated with FB's constant redesign. Another tip to make navigating FB is to remove the apps you do not want and delete people you no longer chat to or have an interest in (sounds harsh I know but helps get rid of some of the clutter). Chris On 20 Aug 2010, at 19:18, focus wrote: Hi Chris! I'm fairly new to Mac! Just had it since last November, and did not have anything before! But when looking at the post about something, you mentioned how you used the vo cmd and it made doing facebook much easier! So I was wondering in what way? I'm interested in making facebook easier on the Mac! Any advice welcome! Colin Skype focus_66 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: Saving VO Preferences
Hi linda, it shouldn't matter where you save this file. HOpe this helps. On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Linda Adams wrote: Hi, I haven't had any problems with Voiceover but after reading some recent messages, I decided I should save my preferences which I haven't done since buying my Macbook. My question is the best way to do this and where to save the file. I located the export preferences in the file menu under preferences in the VO utility which seems very simple. I've read older messages which talked about going to the library and saving the Voiceover 3 folder and others saying to save plist files. Will the export preferences be all inclusive? Now, the silly question is where to save it? It seems to not matter but I'm still wondering where. Thanks, Linda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Saving VO Preferences
Just don't do as I did and forget where you save it. :) Unfortunately the VO reset happens to me at least once a day, so I've had a lot of trial and error. G. Ha. Teresa On Aug 27, 2010, at 11:43 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi linda, it shouldn't matter where you save this file. HOpe this helps. On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Linda Adams wrote: Hi, I haven't had any problems with Voiceover but after reading some recent messages, I decided I should save my preferences which I haven't done since buying my Macbook. My question is the best way to do this and where to save the file. I located the export preferences in the file menu under preferences in the VO utility which seems very simple. I've read older messages which talked about going to the library and saving the Voiceover 3 folder and others saying to save plist files. Will the export preferences be all inclusive? Now, the silly question is where to save it? It seems to not matter but I'm still wondering where. Thanks, Linda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet
Well, I'm mighty impressed with that site and everything I've tried from it, but I've added a load of free apps I found on iTunes for music and radio as well, and they *all* just work. I know there will be plenty that don't, but in general, I've never seen so much accessibility in mainstream software, anywhere, ever, so I'd say just try things! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 6:34 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet Yeah go to http://www.applevis.com and see what's there. the list is growing daily. s On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Has anyone actually tried / started putting to gether a list of accessible apps for the I devices? I know there are a lot of apps out there, but it would be interesting to know what is accessible or not. Even games could be made accessible to a point. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 12:22 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet Why don't you agree with the notion that most apps for the iPhone aren't accessible? It seems pretty accurate to me. There is over 100,000 apps in the iTunes store. You think there is at least 50,000 accessible apps? Keep in mind a lot of these apps are video games. On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: If you do a search for your eyes without the quotes, it will take you to the first line of the article there by skipping all the rubbish thats before it. It's a pretty interesting read, although I don't really agree with the hole most iPhone apps are inaccessible thing. Also, did anyone notice that they hadn't described the picture at the end of the post? On 25/08/2010, Isaac Obie io...@gis.net wrote: Jerry, How do I find the article listed in this email? I went online but I can't find the article? What might I be doing wrong or not doing? thanks Isaac - Original Message - From: Brett Campbell blindinnova...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:51 PM Subject: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet I thought some in the group might find this article interesting. Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet http://gizmodo.com/5620079/ Brett C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe
RE: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
While I actually found office 2007 to be just as accessible and usable as anything else on windows, I agree that it is more pleasant to do anything on the Mac. I almost bought IWork, and might still do it, but so far I have found that a free word processer called bean does everything that I need to do when working with documents. You can find it at www.bean-osx.com. - Original Message - From: Dave Taylor davetay...@tafn.org.uk To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:15 AM Subject: RE: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To
RE: the unix shell and mac terminal
I don't know anything about this side of using a Mac at all. Is there a good place to learn about it, right from scratch? I'll probably hardly need it, but would certainly like to know just in case. Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: the unix shell and mac terminal Hi Over the past few weeks I have been running vinux 3.0 lucid in a virtual machine and have been playing with it. And then recently I went into the terminal on my mac in snow leopard and typed some commands and surprisingly I find that most of the commands I can perform in vinux I can also do with the terminal or the mac's unix shell. It's really cool. The only difference I can see in the mac is that it uses the darwin kernel while vinux uses the linux kernel. Oh and guys if you go into a terminal in your mac and type: man ls you can even read the unix man pages there. The only thing that doesn't work is apt-get command. I'm not sure if dpkg works or not, I haven't tried it. I'll try right now. Well guys dpkg also does not work. The mac's shell reminds me very much of vinux 3.0 lucid though. If you type uname -a it will tell you the kernel version among other things. If you type: man ls it will bring up the man page for the ls list directory command. to quit the man pages just press the letter q,. To close terminal hit command q. You can even hit tab and it will autocomplete commands for you. I imagine the unix shell is very powerful, even on the mac. And I'm glad mac uses the bash shell. Vinux uses it too. I doubt voxin would work on the mac since voxin I think is compiled for the linux kernel and not the darwin version10 kernel. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
There are a whole number of things I've found I simply can't do, particularly in Outlook and Excel, simple things like read an email from the iTunes store without having to put it in the browser, which requires four individual keystrokes and a long wait! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Ekis Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:29 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn While I actually found office 2007 to be just as accessible and usable as anything else on windows, I agree that it is more pleasant to do anything on the Mac. I almost bought IWork, and might still do it, but so far I have found that a free word processer called bean does everything that I need to do when working with documents. You can find it at www.bean-osx.com. - Original Message - From: Dave Taylor davetay...@tafn.org.uk To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:15 AM Subject: RE: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the
Re: To Chris Moore!
Yeah and I spoke to the dev of adium and they are aware of the bugs I presented. showed me ticket number and everything. Take care. On Aug 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Yes Adium and iChat work fie with VO, they are not perfect yet but are heading in the right direction and for 98% of the time both IM clients do the job well. On 28 Aug 2010, at 06:27, Simon Fogarty wrote: And both going by this list, work well with VO? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 9:28 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: To Chris Moore! Yes it supports Jabber, simply go to the File menu and click on add account and you will see Jabber in the sub menu. iChat also supports Jabber too. Chris On 25 Aug 2010, at 10:11, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi List, Just a quick question on adium, Does adium work with the jabba protocol / as a jabba chat client? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of focus Sent: Monday, 23 August 2010 11:59 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: focus Subject: Re: To Chris Moore! Hi Chris! I've downloaded adium and I think I've got it set up ok! But have not had a chat on facebook yet!! Many thanks . Colin Skype focus_66 On 21 Aug 2010, at 01:57, Chris Moore wrote: Hi Colin, First of all you can try the obvious by using http://m.facebook.com which is the stripped down version and works very well. However I am not a fan of this version as every time you delete something or make a change the page reloads to do a refresh as javascript is removed from this version. Using FB chat is doable but its tricky, I usually VO left arrow as soon as I load FB, but now I tend to chat on FB via an external chat client as it makes it easier when chatting to more than one person at the same time. I use Adium as I can chat to friends on MSN at the same time, AOL Messenger and iChat also allow this facility. As for navigating the main FB page, I tend to use group mode quite a lot as FB is basically a 3 column design with a banner of links going from left to right at the top of the page. Group mode also makes it easier moving up and down etc within your inbox as this is a table of rows and columns. I usually find the what is on your mind button with either the item chooser by filtering the results by typing in mind (does not always work) or by using the forms rota and typing in mind there. Lately though, I have invested in a Magic Trackpad (if you have a Macbook than you have a smaller version of one of these already built into your mac) and this makes it easy to find stuff just by moving around with one finger. The whats on your mind field is always near the top in the middle column . FB is not the best site to work on, in fact its even a bit of a mess when you are sighted too. I used to get very frustrated with FB's constant redesign. Another tip to make navigating FB is to remove the apps you do not want and delete people you no longer chat to or have an interest in (sounds harsh I know but helps get rid of some of the clutter). Chris On 20 Aug 2010, at 19:18, focus wrote: Hi Chris! I'm fairly new to Mac! Just had it since last November, and did not have anything before! But when looking at the post about something, you mentioned how you used the vo cmd and it made doing facebook much easier! So I was wondering in what way? I'm interested in making facebook easier on the Mac! Any advice welcome! Colin Skype focus_66 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Hi, As said, look passed the help button on the calls tab in preferences. The option is right there, as well as being able to turn it off and set seconds as well as change greeting. IF you have voicemail, you'll see it there. :) Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote: did you pay for the voicemail feature? - Original Message - From: Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings the only box with seconds as a unit is under call forwarding. I checked this box, even though I don't have any numbers to forward my calls to, hoping that voice mail will use it as well. The automatically send unanswered calls to voice mail, box was already checked, but it wasn't working; hopefully changing the seconds value in the call forwarding section will apply as well to voice mail. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Actually on mine you have to set the seconds under call forwarding and I believe when you check the voicemail box the same setting applies. S On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, As said, look passed the help button on the calls tab in preferences. The option is right there, as well as being able to turn it off and set seconds as well as change greeting. IF you have voicemail, you'll see it there. :) Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote: did you pay for the voicemail feature? - Original Message - From: Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings the only box with seconds as a unit is under call forwarding. I checked this box, even though I don't have any numbers to forward my calls to, hoping that voice mail will use it as well. The automatically send unanswered calls to voice mail, box was already checked, but it wasn't working; hopefully changing the seconds value in the call forwarding section will apply as well to voice mail. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
sound cloud service accessibility?
Hi list, I have been waiting some form of accessibility for the sound cloud music sharing service, but so far no good and wondered if there were any safari 5 extension out there which provided a conversion of these flash players to html 5 readable content. Thanks, and best Yuma DX® Light has no value without darkness blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 Phnom Penh: +85589900095 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Hi, No, they are two different features. You are correct, though, in that Call Forwarding has to be checked. The call will still be sent to voicemail, however, it will not stay unchecked. There is a setting which governs the duration of an incoming call when someone is calling, but I can't find it at the moment. That governs when the call is actually dropped and sent to voicemail and different from the other feature. Forwarding is when it has something to do with a number, and in this case, it isn't. For example, I don't have a number, but I can still set voicemail and customize it. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Actually on mine you have to set the seconds under call forwarding and I believe when you check the voicemail box the same setting applies. S On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, As said, look passed the help button on the calls tab in preferences. The option is right there, as well as being able to turn it off and set seconds as well as change greeting. IF you have voicemail, you'll see it there. :) Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote: did you pay for the voicemail feature? - Original Message - From: Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings the only box with seconds as a unit is under call forwarding. I checked this box, even though I don't have any numbers to forward my calls to, hoping that voice mail will use it as well. The automatically send unanswered calls to voice mail, box was already checked, but it wasn't working; hopefully changing the seconds value in the call forwarding section will apply as well to voice mail. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Hi again! I think we're missing some options, though. The VOicemail has a default amount of seconds, however it doesn't look like you can change it at the moment. Currently, call forwarding may govern it, which is essentially not supposed to be the case as you cannot change the seconds without having call forwarding enabled. Voicemail still works fine, though, regardless, as they are two different features and voicemail does not require a number not even when signing up. I believe the Windows side has a place to change the seconds before voicemail kicks in, however, be aware that of course if Call forwarding is enabled, voicemail will not kick in at all. if you route a Skype number, though, and it calls your Mac the voicemail will still be enabled. To me, it sounds like we're missing something we are supposed to have. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, No, they are two different features. You are correct, though, in that Call Forwarding has to be checked. The call will still be sent to voicemail, however, it will not stay unchecked. There is a setting which governs the duration of an incoming call when someone is calling, but I can't find it at the moment. That governs when the call is actually dropped and sent to voicemail and different from the other feature. Forwarding is when it has something to do with a number, and in this case, it isn't. For example, I don't have a number, but I can still set voicemail and customize it. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Actually on mine you have to set the seconds under call forwarding and I believe when you check the voicemail box the same setting applies. S On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, As said, look passed the help button on the calls tab in preferences. The option is right there, as well as being able to turn it off and set seconds as well as change greeting. IF you have voicemail, you'll see it there. :) Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote: did you pay for the voicemail feature? - Original Message - From: Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings the only box with seconds as a unit is under call forwarding. I checked this box, even though I don't have any numbers to forward my calls to, hoping that voice mail will use it as well. The automatically send unanswered calls to voice mail, box was already checked, but it wasn't working; hopefully changing the seconds value in the call forwarding section will apply as well to voice mail. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: New Pages (iWork '09) support for creation of ePub documents
Simon, the update comes by way of Software Update. So, once you run Software Update, you will get this update along with any other updates and unless you have turned this off, it should notify you when updates are available. On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:54 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: So esther, If you own a copy of pages on your ipad, then you should get this up date for free I'm assuming? Or is it a buy update situation? Cheers Simon f -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Saturday, 28 August 2010 1:58 a.m. To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: New Pages (iWork '09) support for creation of ePub documents Hi All, For Mac users of iWorks '09, especially those who are using iBooks to read ePub documents on their iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads, the latest software update to Pages has added an option to export as ePub. Further, Apple has issue a document outlining the best practices for creating ePub files for reading in iBooks with Pages, which also links to an ePub Best Practices sample document. The installer for the new feature will automatically show up if you have iWorks '09 if you run Software Update. The link to the Apple Support document on Creating ePub files with Pages is: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4168 HTH. Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded hot one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will
Off topic post: mirror driver problem with jaws on windows 7
Hi All Please excuse me for the very off topic post. I really had no one els to ask about this problem. I'm setting up someones computer and I'm running into an annoying problem, After I have installed jaws, every time I turn on the machine I get the message :The freedom scientific mirror display driver is not properly installed. Please reboot the computer if you have not done so already. If this does not fix the issue, please run a repair on the jaws installation to reinstall the display driver. To perform a repair, run the jaws setup package, with the command-line arguments /typerepair Now, The computer is a dell notebook running windows 7 home premium 64 bit. I'm using the latest version of jaws 11 on here. Can someone please help. Pleas only respond to this message off list so I cause no more unnecessary traffic. E-mail me at rwalker...@gmail.com TIA Ricardo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: An iCal Question
Hi. In my office, I am the only Mac user. Everyone else uses Outlook running Windows to keep track of their appointments. Furthermore, they send out appointment notifications via e-mail that all of us are supposed to put into our work calendars. Is there an easy way for me to send them my appointments and have them appear in their Outlook calendars as well as theirs automatically appearing in iCal? Thank you, Mike On 20,Aug,2010, at 2:41 AM, Scott Howell wrote: No problem Mark and I am not an iCal expert, but it does work incredibly well. I know some have seen old data hanging around and all of this can be configured via the preferences (command-comma). There may be a good book, but most of what I have learned came as a result of my desire to switch to the Mac at work. Oh and of course my failing memory and an angry wife because I could not remember all those dates. :) On Aug 19, 2010, at 5:55 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Scott, Thank you so much. Following your excellent instructions, I realize that I did not uncheck the All Day Checkbox. All is working perfectly, now. Thank you ever so much. Mark On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Mark, Follow these steps, I think it will help you. 1. command-n to create a new event. 2. command-i for inspector. 3. you first are on the title of the event, navigate right with VO and interact with the details scroll area. 4. first field is location, followed by all day checkbox, then you encounter as you navigate to the right, the From field. (NOTE: make sure the all day checkbox is not checked. If it is, you will not see the time in the date field. You instead will only see the date.) 5. Navigate to the right until you hear the date and interact to set the date/time. 6. Next will be the end date/time. (NOTE: again, make sure the all day checkbox is not checked or you will only see the date, not the hours.) 7. Next you may have a timezone popup assuming you have set this option in preferences. 8. You will encounter the Repeat options. 9. Show as option. 10. Calendar (On which calendar the event is to be recorded). 11. Alarm/notification options follow. 12. Another alarm option. 13. Invitees options. 14. Place for a URL. 15. A place to type notes. Command w to save. hth, On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:41 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hi, What I am saying is that I cannot find the Start and End time fields. Yes, I know this is hard to believe but, I swear, I cannot locate these fields. All I can find is the Start and Ending date fields. The steps I am taking to create a new event are: 1. From within iCal, while focused on the Canvas area, I Tap Command+N. 2. This brings up a New Event Text Box in which I type in the Appointment Info such as Eye Doctor Appointment. 3. Then, I open the Inspector and enter more details including the Start and End Dates. Nowhere do I see the Start and Ending Time fields. Clearly there is another way to create a new event but I don't know what it is. Thank you all for helping me on this one. Mark On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Mark, the only fields I am aware of is the start and end times for an event. Are you saying there should be a field that specifically states the event will be one hour or are you saying there is a field where you can indicate length of time versus a specific end time in hours/minutes? On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:16 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, When I create a new event in iCal, I cannot seem to locate the fields that determines how long the event will last. All I can see in the inspector is the date fields. What am I doing wrong? Thank you. Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to
About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros
Hello all! Can someone please tell what is possible with creating Hotspots and Apple scripts/macros concerning programs which aren't accessible? Is it for instance possible to tag a specific point on screen with the mouse and then make a hotspot of of it? Maybe anybody has a direct link to documentation on the subject, I can't find detailed info on the Apple accessibility pages. Thanks alot! Ronald -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VM FUsion pod cast
Hi, Applications key you can use shift f10 if you set your expos`e keys to something other than f9 through f12. Then go get the little utility I posted here at the beginning of the week, which will restore a number pad function to your portable keyboard and you will have an insert. It still won't be as nice with jaws as it is with window-eyes, but it'll be functional. Best, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-27, at 8:08 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Scott, it is on blindcooltech.com and I think it is podcast number 5. I installed VM Fusion on my MBP and it works great with Win 7. I use JFW and am stilll having trouble mapping keys. I can use it, but I don't have an applications key, and insert key, thus can't get a Jaws cursor, but other than that, no sweat. I downloaded Sharp Keys, but still can't quite figure out how to use it. If anybody has any suggestion there, I'd love to hear them. :) On Aug 27, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Hi, for a while there was a podcast from Mike Arego (sorry if I spelled the name wrong) concerning VM fusion. I can't find it on the page or in google. Does anyone have a pointer to download the podcast? Thanks Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
yep as a windows user i am beginning to think that mac for blind people is the way to go a friend of mine has just bought one and although where struggling with a fiew things at the momant it looks very promising. ian mcnamara. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet
There's also a list at Maccessibility. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Yeah go to http://www.applevis.com and see what's there. the list is growing daily. s On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Has anyone actually tried / started putting to gether a list of accessible apps for the I devices? I know there are a lot of apps out there, but it would be interesting to know what is accessible or not. Even games could be made accessible to a point. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 12:22 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet Why don't you agree with the notion that most apps for the iPhone aren't accessible? It seems pretty accurate to me. There is over 100,000 apps in the iTunes store. You think there is at least 50,000 accessible apps? Keep in mind a lot of these apps are video games. On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: If you do a search for your eyes without the quotes, it will take you to the first line of the article there by skipping all the rubbish thats before it. It's a pretty interesting read, although I don't really agree with the hole most iPhone apps are inaccessible thing. Also, did anyone notice that they hadn't described the picture at the end of the post? On 25/08/2010, Isaac Obie io...@gis.net wrote: Jerry, How do I find the article listed in this email? I went online but I can't find the article? What might I be doing wrong or not doing? thanks Isaac - Original Message - From: Brett Campbell blindinnova...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:51 PM Subject: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet I thought some in the group might find this article interesting. Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet http://gizmodo.com/5620079/ Brett C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: the unix shell and mac terminal
excuse my nose here, but in theory would that let you say tellnet to a site or service that itself is shell associated? sorry if I am over guessing what one might do with that sort of bash. still I would think you could run programs that way? Karen On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Dave Taylor wrote: I don't know anything about this side of using a Mac at all. Is there a good place to learn about it, right from scratch? I'll probably hardly need it, but would certainly like to know just in case. Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: the unix shell and mac terminal Hi Over the past few weeks I have been running vinux 3.0 lucid in a virtual machine and have been playing with it. And then recently I went into the terminal on my mac in snow leopard and typed some commands and surprisingly I find that most of the commands I can perform in vinux I can also do with the terminal or the mac's unix shell. It's really cool. The only difference I can see in the mac is that it uses the darwin kernel while vinux uses the linux kernel. Oh and guys if you go into a terminal in your mac and type: man ls you can even read the unix man pages there. The only thing that doesn't work is apt-get command. I'm not sure if dpkg works or not, I haven't tried it. I'll try right now. Well guys dpkg also does not work. The mac's shell reminds me very much of vinux 3.0 lucid though. If you type uname -a it will tell you the kernel version among other things. If you type: man ls it will bring up the man page for the ls list directory command. to quit the man pages just press the letter q,. To close terminal hit command q. You can even hit tab and it will autocomplete commands for you. I imagine the unix shell is very powerful, even on the mac. And I'm glad mac uses the bash shell. Vinux uses it too. I doubt voxin would work on the mac since voxin I think is compiled for the linux kernel and not the darwin version10 kernel. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hi Brian, I teach jaws, window-eyes, and voiceover on a regular basis, and I occasionally support other screen readers as well. I've placed my comments in the quoted message below. I really think you would be better off doing everything on the mac, IE, making mail hit your exchange server, buying Iwork, or using a combination of other great free and low cost wordprocessing and spreadsheeting tools for the mac and in all other ways keeping your system as windows free as possible. I mean, explore your options. unless the impressionist person is picking up the bill for you to own windows, office, a high end screen reader, and anything else you need to work or learn under windows, it might not be worth the time and money it would take to impress them. We're talking about over a grand here, plus your time to learn a new system. ...Something to think about. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-27, at 11:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: . I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? Not really. I mean, there's dolphin Hal, thunder, and a few other options, but you don't hear much about these, and when you do, it seems there's usually a good reason. NVDA and system access may do what you need, but if you are using a screen reader for work, then I recommend paying for one of the top two, and as you can see, I recommend window-eyes. 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? Absolutely not. There are not any comparisons to draw in terms of screen readers. There are some comparisons in terms of the way the operating system works. The menu bars are familiar. System preferences roughly equates to control panel, that sort of thing. You'll just have to throw everything you know about voiceover out the window and start fresh on your windows screen reader of choice. Funny. We usually have to say that about switching from windows to mac. It's not too often we have to caution people about preconseptions in switching from mac to windows. 3. Isz there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? I vote window-eyes here. I find it's keyboard command structure to be much more intuitive than jaws. The window-eyes key to read the clock for example, is insert T for time, where-as the jaws keystroke is insert f12. The window-eyes key to read the status bar is control insert S, as opposed to the jaws keystroke insert end. The window-eyes mouse pointer movement is also far more intuitive in my view than the jaws setup. 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? Uh, it may be a moot point at this juncture. I'm not even sure if it's possible to buy xp anymore. It might be cheeper, or it might not. Last time I saw Canadian dollar prices, it was $169 for xp pro, and $120 for win7 home premium. I for sure wouldn't advize a paying client of mine to go xp at this stage, but you won't be relying on it, so if you can find xp and that's really what you want then go for it. 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? In a comparison of jaws to window-eyes, that would be window-eyes. Not only is their professional level product about $400 cheeper than it's jaws counterpart, but it's development sicle is longer. It also offers a 1 year payment plan which will give you a major upgrade for free while you are making payments, meaning that when you are done, you will have a fully up-to-date screen reader. TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
I use Victoria as well. Prefer her over Alex. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded hot one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows
Re: VM FUsion pod cast
Scott, Did you look on www.blindcooltech.com. you might have to scrol down to find it. It might be on the archive page by now, but you might want to look there and see if you can find it. Matthew Contact info. MSN/e-mail: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com yahoo: md1616 Skype contact: graduater2004 -- From: Scott Granados scott.grana...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:52 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: VM FUsion pod cast Hi, for a while there was a podcast from Mike Arego (sorry if I spelled the name wrong) concerning VM fusion. I can't find it on the page or in google. Does anyone have a pointer to download the podcast? Thanks Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VM FUsion pod cast
Hi Scott, It's demo number 5. Here goes the link http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1308MacDemo5.mp3 hth On Aug 27, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Hi, for a while there was a podcast from Mike Arego (sorry if I spelled the name wrong) concerning VM fusion. I can't find it on the page or in google. Does anyone have a pointer to download the podcast? Thanks Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
I agree with Eric, however I am myself being forced to use windows for one app. My problem, I visit and am learning drums with the use of online tutorials. Each dvd available for stream, but not for download, presents itself with a flash movie, and one must hit the play button to begin the festivities. If any has a non windows option that would allow for me to do this with an alternate player etc, I'd be glad not to bootcamp and look for nvda, but other wise the path to rock-and-roll greatness will have to ber achieved through windows as much as I dislike the prospect. On 2010-08-28, at 9:03 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Brian, I teach jaws, window-eyes, and voiceover on a regular basis, and I occasionally support other screen readers as well. I've placed my comments in the quoted message below. I really think you would be better off doing everything on the mac, IE, making mail hit your exchange server, buying Iwork, or using a combination of other great free and low cost wordprocessing and spreadsheeting tools for the mac and in all other ways keeping your system as windows free as possible. I mean, explore your options. unless the impressionist person is picking up the bill for you to own windows, office, a high end screen reader, and anything else you need to work or learn under windows, it might not be worth the time and money it would take to impress them. We're talking about over a grand here, plus your time to learn a new system. ...Something to think about. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-27, at 11:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: . I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? Not really. I mean, there's dolphin Hal, thunder, and a few other options, but you don't hear much about these, and when you do, it seems there's usually a good reason. NVDA and system access may do what you need, but if you are using a screen reader for work, then I recommend paying for one of the top two, and as you can see, I recommend window-eyes. 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? Absolutely not. There are not any comparisons to draw in terms of screen readers. There are some comparisons in terms of the way the operating system works. The menu bars are familiar. System preferences roughly equates to control panel, that sort of thing. You'll just have to throw everything you know about voiceover out the window and start fresh on your windows screen reader of choice. Funny. We usually have to say that about switching from windows to mac. It's not too often we have to caution people about preconseptions in switching from mac to windows. 3. Isz there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? I vote window-eyes here. I find it's keyboard command structure to be much more intuitive than jaws. The window-eyes key to read the clock for example, is insert T for time, where-as the jaws keystroke is insert f12. The window-eyes key to read the status bar is control insert S, as opposed to the jaws keystroke insert end. The window-eyes mouse pointer movement is also far more intuitive in my view than the jaws setup. 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? Uh, it may be a moot point at this juncture. I'm not even sure if it's possible to buy xp anymore. It might be cheeper, or it might not. Last time I saw Canadian dollar prices, it was $169 for xp pro, and $120 for win7 home premium. I for sure wouldn't advize a paying client of mine to go xp at this stage, but you won't be relying on it, so if you can find xp and that's really what you want then go for it. 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? In a comparison of jaws to window-eyes, that would be window-eyes. Not only is their professional level product about $400 cheeper than it's jaws counterpart, but it's development sicle is longer. It also offers a 1 year payment plan which will give you a major upgrade for free while you are making payments, meaning that when you are done, you will have a fully up-to-date screen reader. TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
Re: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros
Hello Ronald, If an application is not accessible to VoiceOver, i.e. the VoiceOver cursor cannot enter any or all of a window in that application, there is no way of making it accessible. However, unlabelled buttons can now be labelled. Cheers, Anne On 28 Aug 2010, at 14:01, RvR wrote: Hello all! Can someone please tell what is possible with creating Hotspots and Apple scripts/macros concerning programs which aren't accessible? Is it for instance possible to tag a specific point on screen with the mouse and then make a hotspot of of it? Maybe anybody has a direct link to documentation on the subject, I can't find detailed info on the Apple accessibility pages. Thanks alot! Ronald -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros
Hi Anne, So in other words, VO has to recognize an object to make a hotspot out of it? When a sighted person uses a mouse and points at something you cannot make a hotspot out of that? Probably not, are there programs who can do this through scripting or something? Thanks, Ronald -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] Namens Anne Robertson Verzonden: zaterdag 28 augustus 2010 16:34 Aan: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros Hello Ronald, If an application is not accessible to VoiceOver, i.e. the VoiceOver cursor cannot enter any or all of a window in that application, there is no way of making it accessible. However, unlabelled buttons can now be labelled. Cheers, Anne On 28 Aug 2010, at 14:01, RvR wrote: Hello all! Can someone please tell what is possible with creating Hotspots and Apple scripts/macros concerning programs which aren't accessible? Is it for instance possible to tag a specific point on screen with the mouse and then make a hotspot of of it? Maybe anybody has a direct link to documentation on the subject, I can't find detailed info on the Apple accessibility pages. Thanks alot! Ronald -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet
28 aug 2010 kl. 15.18 skrev Donna Goodin: There's also a list at Maccessibility. Yes, but isn't that list dreadfully outdated? /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hum... Is there a demo we can try? There are a lot of enterprising individuals on here. Maybe some one can get it to fly. Best, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-28, at 10:19 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: I agree with Eric, however I am myself being forced to use windows for one app. My problem, I visit and am learning drums with the use of online tutorials. Each dvd available for stream, but not for download, presents itself with a flash movie, and one must hit the play button to begin the festivities. If any has a non windows option that would allow for me to do this with an alternate player etc, I'd be glad not to bootcamp and look for nvda, but other wise the path to rock-and-roll greatness will have to ber achieved through windows as much as I dislike the prospect. On 2010-08-28, at 9:03 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Brian, I teach jaws, window-eyes, and voiceover on a regular basis, and I occasionally support other screen readers as well. I've placed my comments in the quoted message below. I really think you would be better off doing everything on the mac, IE, making mail hit your exchange server, buying Iwork, or using a combination of other great free and low cost wordprocessing and spreadsheeting tools for the mac and in all other ways keeping your system as windows free as possible. I mean, explore your options. unless the impressionist person is picking up the bill for you to own windows, office, a high end screen reader, and anything else you need to work or learn under windows, it might not be worth the time and money it would take to impress them. We're talking about over a grand here, plus your time to learn a new system. ...Something to think about. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-27, at 11:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: . I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? Not really. I mean, there's dolphin Hal, thunder, and a few other options, but you don't hear much about these, and when you do, it seems there's usually a good reason. NVDA and system access may do what you need, but if you are using a screen reader for work, then I recommend paying for one of the top two, and as you can see, I recommend window-eyes. 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? Absolutely not. There are not any comparisons to draw in terms of screen readers. There are some comparisons in terms of the way the operating system works. The menu bars are familiar. System preferences roughly equates to control panel, that sort of thing. You'll just have to throw everything you know about voiceover out the window and start fresh on your windows screen reader of choice. Funny. We usually have to say that about switching from windows to mac. It's not too often we have to caution people about preconseptions in switching from mac to windows. 3. Isz there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? I vote window-eyes here. I find it's keyboard command structure to be much more intuitive than jaws. The window-eyes key to read the clock for example, is insert T for time, where-as the jaws keystroke is insert f12. The window-eyes key to read the status bar is control insert S, as opposed to the jaws keystroke insert end. The window-eyes mouse pointer movement is also far more intuitive in my view than the jaws setup. 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? Uh, it may be a moot point at this juncture. I'm not even sure if it's possible to buy xp anymore. It might be cheeper, or it might not. Last time I saw Canadian dollar prices, it was $169 for xp pro, and $120 for win7 home premium. I for sure wouldn't advize a paying client of mine to go xp at this stage, but you won't be relying on it, so if you can find xp and that's really what you want then go for it. 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? In a comparison of jaws to window-eyes, that would be window-eyes. Not only is their professional level product about $400 cheeper than it's jaws counterpart, but it's development sicle is longer. It also offers a 1 year payment
new real player and converter
Hello group; Has anyone else tried the new versin of real player for the mac? I recently had some problems with my old version, so i removed it and downloaded the newest one. with that you also get a program called real converter. I was disapointed because it wouldn't let me convert from og to mp3, but something it does claim to do that you all might be interested in is converting videos from youtube and other online sites like youtube to regular video or even just audio. don't know if it works because I don't have any youtube files to play with, but thought I'd mention it since I've heard some discussion about this problem on the list. I'm sure it does a lot more. let me know. thanks, max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
not really, I used the demos and they are all auto play. If anyone would like to troubleshoot privately, I'd be glad to provide temporary access. Just have to contact me off list. On 2010-08-28, at 10:59 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hum... Is there a demo we can try? There are a lot of enterprising individuals on here. Maybe some one can get it to fly. Best, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-28, at 10:19 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: I agree with Eric, however I am myself being forced to use windows for one app. My problem, I visit and am learning drums with the use of online tutorials. Each dvd available for stream, but not for download, presents itself with a flash movie, and one must hit the play button to begin the festivities. If any has a non windows option that would allow for me to do this with an alternate player etc, I'd be glad not to bootcamp and look for nvda, but other wise the path to rock-and-roll greatness will have to ber achieved through windows as much as I dislike the prospect. On 2010-08-28, at 9:03 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Brian, I teach jaws, window-eyes, and voiceover on a regular basis, and I occasionally support other screen readers as well. I've placed my comments in the quoted message below. I really think you would be better off doing everything on the mac, IE, making mail hit your exchange server, buying Iwork, or using a combination of other great free and low cost wordprocessing and spreadsheeting tools for the mac and in all other ways keeping your system as windows free as possible. I mean, explore your options. unless the impressionist person is picking up the bill for you to own windows, office, a high end screen reader, and anything else you need to work or learn under windows, it might not be worth the time and money it would take to impress them. We're talking about over a grand here, plus your time to learn a new system. ...Something to think about. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-27, at 11:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: . I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? Not really. I mean, there's dolphin Hal, thunder, and a few other options, but you don't hear much about these, and when you do, it seems there's usually a good reason. NVDA and system access may do what you need, but if you are using a screen reader for work, then I recommend paying for one of the top two, and as you can see, I recommend window-eyes. 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? Absolutely not. There are not any comparisons to draw in terms of screen readers. There are some comparisons in terms of the way the operating system works. The menu bars are familiar. System preferences roughly equates to control panel, that sort of thing. You'll just have to throw everything you know about voiceover out the window and start fresh on your windows screen reader of choice. Funny. We usually have to say that about switching from windows to mac. It's not too often we have to caution people about preconseptions in switching from mac to windows. 3. Isz there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? I vote window-eyes here. I find it's keyboard command structure to be much more intuitive than jaws. The window-eyes key to read the clock for example, is insert T for time, where-as the jaws keystroke is insert f12. The window-eyes key to read the status bar is control insert S, as opposed to the jaws keystroke insert end. The window-eyes mouse pointer movement is also far more intuitive in my view than the jaws setup. 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? Uh, it may be a moot point at this juncture. I'm not even sure if it's possible to buy xp anymore. It might be cheeper, or it might not. Last time I saw Canadian dollar prices, it was $169 for xp pro, and $120 for win7 home premium. I for sure wouldn't advize a paying client of mine to go xp at this stage, but you won't be relying on it, so if you can find xp and that's really what you want then go for it. 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time
Re: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros
Hello Ronald, On 28 Aug 2010, at 16:49, RvR wrote: So in other words, VO has to recognize an object to make a hotspot out of it? That's right. When a sighted person uses a mouse and points at something you cannot make a hotspot out of that? No, I've tried this and it doesn't work. VoiceOver is shut out of such areas. Probably not, are there programs who can do this through scripting or something? Sadly, no. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hi: Don't forget about System Access. There is a free version you can try. It works pretty well. The paid version gives you different otions. SA works pretty well on a Mac running Windows. On Aug 27, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Yes; that was my conclusion as well, that you needed to check call forwarding and then edit the box for seconds there. There isn't any other edit box on the whole page, and the only other combo box is for which number you want it to forward the call to; since I don't have any numbers, logic seems to imply that it will be forwarded to voice mail... :) • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Hi, You don't understand me, I think. The issue is that you cannot enable forwarding unless you enter a number, and thus it will bypass voicemail as voicemail is routed to if no forwarding is enabled. This means that the box should count for forwarding, not voicemail, as it obviously becomes dimmed after unchecking forwarding even though it seems to matter at the moment. That's where the logic ends, as they are two separate features and two different Skype services. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Yes; that was my conclusion as well, that you needed to check call forwarding and then edit the box for seconds there. There isn't any other edit box on the whole page, and the only other combo box is for which number you want it to forward the call to; since I don't have any numbers, logic seems to imply that it will be forwarded to voice mail... :) • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VM FUsion pod cast
Eric, you said, Applications key you can use shift f10 if you set your expos`e keys to something other than f9 through f12. How do I do this? I also saw your post about the utility, but didn't really understand waht it was or how to use it. Is there any way you could explain in a little more detail? I would appreciate it tremendously. On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:21 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi, Applications key you can use shift f10 if you set your expos`e keys to something other than f9 through f12. Then go get the little utility I posted here at the beginning of the week, which will restore a number pad function to your portable keyboard and you will have an insert. It still won't be as nice with jaws as it is with window-eyes, but it'll be functional. Best, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-27, at 8:08 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Scott, it is on blindcooltech.com and I think it is podcast number 5. I installed VM Fusion on my MBP and it works great with Win 7. I use JFW and am stilll having trouble mapping keys. I can use it, but I don't have an applications key, and insert key, thus can't get a Jaws cursor, but other than that, no sweat. I downloaded Sharp Keys, but still can't quite figure out how to use it. If anybody has any suggestion there, I'd love to hear them. :) On Aug 27, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Hi, for a while there was a podcast from Mike Arego (sorry if I spelled the name wrong) concerning VM fusion. I can't find it on the page or in google. Does anyone have a pointer to download the podcast? Thanks Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros
Hello Anne, That's a pity indeed. Maybe I will send Apple Accessibility a request for such feature. Thanks for the useful information! Best, Ronald -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] Namens Anne Robertson Verzonden: zaterdag 28 augustus 2010 17:35 Aan: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: About Hotspots and Apple scrits/macros Hello Ronald, On 28 Aug 2010, at 16:49, RvR wrote: So in other words, VO has to recognize an object to make a hotspot out of it? That's right. When a sighted person uses a mouse and points at something you cannot make a hotspot out of that? No, I've tried this and it doesn't work. VoiceOver is shut out of such areas. Probably not, are there programs who can do this through scripting or something? Sadly, no. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet
There is the Applevis site that's compiling a list. I think it's http://www.applevis.com but I could be wrong. On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:29 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Has anyone actually tried / started putting to gether a list of accessible apps for the I devices? I know there are a lot of apps out there, but it would be interesting to know what is accessible or not. Even games could be made accessible to a point. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 12:22 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet Why don't you agree with the notion that most apps for the iPhone aren't accessible? It seems pretty accurate to me. There is over 100,000 apps in the iTunes store. You think there is at least 50,000 accessible apps? Keep in mind a lot of these apps are video games. On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: If you do a search for your eyes without the quotes, it will take you to the first line of the article there by skipping all the rubbish thats before it. It's a pretty interesting read, although I don't really agree with the hole most iPhone apps are inaccessible thing. Also, did anyone notice that they hadn't described the picture at the end of the post? On 25/08/2010, Isaac Obie io...@gis.net wrote: Jerry, How do I find the article listed in this email? I went online but I can't find the article? What might I be doing wrong or not doing? thanks Isaac - Original Message - From: Brett Campbell blindinnova...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:51 PM Subject: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet I thought some in the group might find this article interesting. Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet http://gizmodo.com/5620079/ Brett C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Abby finereader
Hello, I am looking into buying an OCR software for the mac. I've done some reading but wasn't sure on one thing. Can Abby Finereader convert PDF files into editable documents or am I going to have to get a different program for that. Also I was looking on their website and saw that there is a express version and a professional version I didn't know which was accessible or not. Any and all help is great. Chad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Fwd: Keyboard issues with fusion, suggestions?
Hi Scott and all those who have problems with insert key with JFW. I saved a post which helped me enormously and I hope that Marshall will not mind me sending it. I just hope I got your name right. Kawal. Begin forwarded message: Hi, Here are my Sharpkes mappings Grave to Special Caps Lock Left Alt to Left Windows Left Windows to Left Alt Right Windows to Applications After I get these keys remapped I switch to the Laptop layout in JAWS. This seems to solve the JAWS/Insert Key problem. It also fixes the reversal of the Windows and Alt Keys. Note that the Keypad layout on the Mac is different from the keypad layout on a Windows machine. Things like the Route PC to JAWS and Route JAWS to PC are in different locations on the Mac keyboard but you can learn the new locations by using JAWS keyboard help. As far as the sound goes, I Launch the VIrtual Machine and then turn off Voiceover. After I login to the Windows machine, I press Control-Command to move to the Mac and turn Voiceover back on. I then use Command-G to return to the Windows machine. I can then switch back and forth by using Control-Command and Command-G. I hope this helps. Marshall -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 +447576240421 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
get iphone 3gs or iphone 4?
Hi list, As the iphone 4 is now in the market, I'm wondering which to buy. The 3gs has become tremendously cheap these days, and the iphone 4 is 5 weeks waiting over here in the Netherlands. Are there any good reasons for a blindy to wait for the iphone 4, or can I just get myself a 3gs without sacrificing much functionality? Some of you listers will know, so I'm looking forward to hearing from you about this. Is a 4 better for us than a 3gs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Multiple recipients in to: field?
Hello everyone, Can someone please tell me the best way to insert multiple recipients in the To: CC: or BCC fields of an e-mail message I wish to send? Is each address separated by a Comma, Semicolon or what? Sometimes, the e-mail address I want is voiced after just typing a couple of letters. But what is the best way to acknowledge that the address I hear is the right one, move past it and insert the next address? Does all of this make sense? On a similar note, is there a Take Command book for Mail running under Snow Leopard or might there be other materials addressing this topic? Thank you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
fine-tuning a Spotlight search
Does anybody know if there is a data sheet containing syntax usage under Spotlight? What I want to do specifically is fine-tune some of my searches. For example, I have a folder somewhere on my Mac called Journal, and I also have many, many files containing this word. Is there a way to tell Spotlight that when searching for the word Journal, I don't want every instance of the word but only filenames or folders containing that word? Thank you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
A good book for new Mac users
All: Bookshare has Mac OSX Snow Leopard Pocket Guide. It's a very good book for new Mac switchers, or for geeks. LOL. Sarai Bucciarelli Personal Come join me on www.swagbucks.com/refer/sdbuccia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Multiple recipients in to: field?
Hi Mike, Someone correct me if there is a better way to do this. What I do is after mail correctly inserts the correct email address into the field, I tab away and then back. Then I interact with the edit field and move the cursor to the end of the field. I then put a comma and a spac and start typing the next address. This seems to work well. Let me know if there is an easier way to do this. -Greg On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hello everyone, Can someone please tell me the best way to insert multiple recipients in the To: CC: or BCC fields of an e-mail message I wish to send? Is each address separated by a Comma, Semicolon or what? Sometimes, the e-mail address I want is voiced after just typing a couple of letters. But what is the best way to acknowledge that the address I hear is the right one, move past it and insert the next address? Does all of this make sense? On a similar note, is there a Take Command book for Mail running under Snow Leopard or might there be other materials addressing this topic? Thank you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Multiple recipients in to: field?
Hello Michael and list, I'm no expert, but I do this and it works for me. In the To field, I like to have just one address. In the Cc field I begin typing. When the right match occurs, usually quickly, I just press comma space and begin typing the next address, comma space etc., ending the last address with nothing beyond tab or return. Now, the space after the comma may be unnecessary, and perhaps a semicolon may work just as well. Not sure. This process may be a bit disconcerting as you will hear selection deleted. I've found that you can just ignore this. Now if there's a better, quicker, safer way I'm all ears, and always open to new, better ways of doing things. Best regards, John On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hello everyone, Can someone please tell me the best way to insert multiple recipients in the To: CC: or BCC fields of an e-mail message I wish to send? Is each address separated by a Comma, Semicolon or what? Sometimes, the e-mail address I want is voiced after just typing a couple of letters. But what is the best way to acknowledge that the address I hear is the right one, move past it and insert the next address? Does all of this make sense? On a similar note, is there a Take Command book for Mail running under Snow Leopard or might there be other materials addressing this topic? Thank you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hi. I'm a jaws user. However I have tried Windoweyes but didn't like playing chop sticks all the time. However, I'm getting use to Voice over. Just one thing to bear in mind with Jaws (Although I have solved it at home with Fusion), the loss of life's and then the constant calling of FS to get your counts reset once all three counts have been used. That was one of the last straws with Freedom Scientific before I heard of great Voice Over and no lives to loose and if needs be virtualising of windows if indeed I needed windows which is not a lot at home these days. I only use windows at work because of my job. Kawal. On 28 Aug 2010, at 05:38, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Bryan, I love WIndow-Eyes. I have used all three screen readers Hal, Jaws and Window-Eyes. THe last one Window-Eyes is the one I use now. I have to use a WIndows PC at work, and also at home for some of the tasks like scanning and reading with Kurzweil etc. I like WE because GW Micro has a payment plan, I am on it, and have about a year left. I don't think any Windows screen reader is like VO. But Window-Eyes comes pretty close. VO interacts in a way that I have never seen among any screen readers. I like Window-Eyes for the following reasons it works with most off the shelf products, and doesn't require the installation of scripts like Jaws. The other reason I like it is that the customer support is much better than Freedom Scientific. I hope this helps answer your question. Musically, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: fine-tuning a Spotlight search
When it's file names I wish to find and not file content, I like to command tab to Finder and press command f. 1. I type what I'm looking for, 2, optionally tab over to the check boxes which say contents, file name, reverse their settings by pressing space on both of them, 3, then, shift tab back to the list of findings. You can omit step 2, but you will get file names and hits where the file contains your search string. I was rather happy to discover how this works. Regards, js On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: Does anybody know if there is a data sheet containing syntax usage under Spotlight? What I want to do specifically is fine-tune some of my searches. For example, I have a folder somewhere on my Mac called Journal, and I also have many, many files containing this word. Is there a way to tell Spotlight that when searching for the word Journal, I don't want every instance of the word but only filenames or folders containing that word? Thank you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Just to add to this, I'm a new Mac user and already agree with your points. I've been a jfw user for 12+ years and in less than a week already see myself dropping window intirely. Having Unix under the hood gives the Mac such a greater level of stability and usability. You also don't have the security concerns and constant flood of worms and virai like you do with Microsoft products. On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet
Don't know, haven't looked at it in a while. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: 28 aug 2010 kl. 15.18 skrev Donna Goodin: There's also a list at Maccessibility. Yes, but isn't that list dreadfully outdated? /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Thunder screen reader may be an option, though it costs rather much less than jaws or window-eyes.On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Donna Goodin wrote: I use Victoria as well. Prefer her over Alex. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded hot one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded hot one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was
Re: the unix shell and mac terminal
Yes, you have telnet, ssh, ftp and all the standard clients you'd expect. I'm sure you could enable daemons to accept connections as well although consider the security implications of doing that please.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:58 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: excuse my nose here, but in theory would that let you say tellnet to a site or service that itself is shell associated? sorry if I am over guessing what one might do with that sort of bash. still I would think you could run programs that way? Karen On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Dave Taylor wrote: I don't know anything about this side of using a Mac at all. Is there a good place to learn about it, right from scratch? I'll probably hardly need it, but would certainly like to know just in case. Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: the unix shell and mac terminal Hi Over the past few weeks I have been running vinux 3.0 lucid in a virtual machine and have been playing with it. And then recently I went into the terminal on my mac in snow leopard and typed some commands and surprisingly I find that most of the commands I can perform in vinux I can also do with the terminal or the mac's unix shell. It's really cool. The only difference I can see in the mac is that it uses the darwin kernel while vinux uses the linux kernel. Oh and guys if you go into a terminal in your mac and type: man ls you can even read the unix man pages there. The only thing that doesn't work is apt-get command. I'm not sure if dpkg works or not, I haven't tried it. I'll try right now. Well guys dpkg also does not work. The mac's shell reminds me very much of vinux 3.0 lucid though. If you type uname -a it will tell you the kernel version among other things. If you type: man ls it will bring up the man page for the ls list directory command. to quit the man pages just press the letter q,. To close terminal hit command q. You can even hit tab and it will autocomplete commands for you. I imagine the unix shell is very powerful, even on the mac. And I'm glad mac uses the bash shell. Vinux uses it too. I doubt voxin would work on the mac since voxin I think is compiled for the linux kernel and not the darwin version10 kernel. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VM FUsion pod cast
I figured it out, I was searching the page incorrectly. Used the podcast to get bootstrapped on windows last night. Great podcast although Mike makes it seem easier than it was for me but that's just because I'm new. Actually finding a lot of great podcasts on blindcooltech. Thanks for the pointer. On Aug 28, 2010, at 7:08 AM, dyer matthew wrote: Scott, Did you look on www.blindcooltech.com. you might have to scrol down to find it. It might be on the archive page by now, but you might want to look there and see if you can find it. Matthew Contact info. MSN/e-mail: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com yahoo: md1616 Skype contact: graduater2004 -- From: Scott Granados scott.grana...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:52 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: VM FUsion pod cast Hi, for a while there was a podcast from Mike Arego (sorry if I spelled the name wrong) concerning VM fusion. I can't find it on the page or in google. Does anyone have a pointer to download the podcast? Thanks Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Sucks least is a great way to describe windows screen readers. I think we're all here for a reason on Macs. For me JFW was the best fit but that's probably more a factor of me learning that first and not learning other systems because jfw did what I needed. If you're in government work JFW will be the most familiar to the IT department. Demoing the products is the only way to go. Get that 30 day trial of VMFusion and fire up a windows image and call it done, test away. On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: But one thing to bare in mind is that all we can offer are subjective opinions. Mine is that I've used all three and JFW sucks far far less than those other two. WindowEyes purports to be rock solid, which in my experience means that when there's a bug it remains there rock solid for several versions, and in my dealings with them, I had cause to seriously question their reputability. I have no love for FS but considering the other replies you were receiving thought I'd make the point that there is hardly a consensus. As Scott G suggests I would try the demos and see what works best (or should I say sucks least) for the tasks you need to perform, and if you can get by with NVDA that would be the best option since the price is right. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Mike Arrigo To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I would consider window eyes, or better yet, system access, these are great products, certainly better than jaws in my opinion. I would try system access first, it's much cheaper than the others and may meet your needs. On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
How can you have voicemail if you don't have a number? Just curious, I always just assumed voicemail wasn't an option. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Yes; that was my conclusion as well, that you needed to check call forwarding and then edit the box for seconds there. There isn't any other edit box on the whole page, and the only other combo box is for which number you want it to forward the call to; since I don't have any numbers, logic seems to imply that it will be forwarded to voice mail... :) • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: get iphone 3gs or iphone 4?
The 4 is faster, better processor, you get facetime and it's not 2 years out of date. Go with the newer option if money isn't a limiting factor. You'll be happier especially with the new revisions of the operating system. On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi list, As the iphone 4 is now in the market, I'm wondering which to buy. The 3gs has become tremendously cheap these days, and the iphone 4 is 5 weeks waiting over here in the Netherlands. Are there any good reasons for a blindy to wait for the iphone 4, or can I just get myself a 3gs without sacrificing much functionality? Some of you listers will know, so I'm looking forward to hearing from you about this. Is a 4 better for us than a 3gs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Description of the Finder and how to best understand VO method of navigating on the screen
The following is a small tutorial on how to navigate with VO and description of the Finder. you can press command+2, to get the view set tot default. I do not think I wrote that information here. Please critic. Constructive criticism is welcome. Alfredo Being apple, the company created a new and ingenious way for a screen reader to read the information on the screen. Voice Over is a screen reader by all definitions but it is different in the form it access and navigates to information on the screen. To better understand how VO works, you have to understand the concept of elements. Elements, also refer to as items, are the different kinds of controls and objects VO and sighted users can access on any given screenor window. Elements are navigated to by pressing the VO keys in conjunction with any single key of the arrow keys, and include but are not limited to the following: • Text, usually a description, label or title for another element. • Buttons, activating these will perform an action as described by the button’s label. • Checkbox, similar to a light switch, can either be toggled on or off, but not both. • Radio button, think of this as a checkbox with multiple choices but only 1 can be selected. • Text Field, equivalent to the Text box found on Windows, used to type in text. • Pop Up Menu, equivalent to combo boxes found on Windows, used to select 1 or more options. • List, equivalent to list boxes found on Windows, used to select 1 option from several. • Menu bar, includes the persistent menu bar on top of your Mac screen and its submenus. • Vertical Slider, is a slider that you can move right to increase or left to decrease it. • Table, designates that the object is arrange in a column and row format. • Tab, equivalent to tabs on Windows PC’s, allows for vieweing of different tabs inside a window. • Toolbar, gives you access to elements inside a window’s toolbar. • HTML content, used by windows that need to display web page content, such as web browsers. • Scroll Area, designates an area that might have content that is not visible to the sighted user. • Ruler, used on word processing applications, such as text edit, to set document features • Group, designates a tree view structure-like area, where elements expand from other elements. Most elements can be “interacted” with and some require that you “interact” with them to gain access to them. “interacting” with an element, with VO+Shift+Down-Arrow, allows you to take a closer look at that element and will give you access to functions or features of that element which are not available when not interacting with it. To resume normal navigation and stop interacting with an element you will have to press, VO+Shift+Up-Arrow. All Text elements can be interacted with so that you can read the text word by word, character by character or phonetically. On the other hand, in order to adjust a Vertical Slider element you have to first interact with it, then use the VO+Left-Arrow, VO+Shift+Left-Arrow, VO+Right-Arrow or VO+Shift +Right-Arrow to adjust it. Furthermore, elements can contain elements inside them which can be interacted with, creating a layer structure for interacting with elements. For example, a Table can be interacted with, and inside it there can reside elements of the Group or Text type which themselves can be interacted with. HTML content elements are the areas of web browsers where the web page is display and this element can contain many elements inside it, such as Tables, Text, Links, Pop Up buttons, Radio buttons, etc, which can be further interacted with. Most applicaitons such as the Safari web browser or Finder application have you interacting with the area of the window which it assumes you will be accessing most. For example, when Safari opens you are automatically place inside the HTML content area of the window. On the Finder you are automatically placed inside the Table List view when using List view or Image Browser aList when using Icon view since this is the element of the window you will be accessing most often. This is a convenient feature since it prevents you from having to interact with these frequently accessed areas everytime you open an application. As you might imagine being able to choose whether to interact with an element or bypass it and go to the next element can be beneficial and a time saver. This is because as you read before, some elements, such as Tables, Toolbar, Ruler and HTML content elements can contain many elements inside them which they themselves can be interacted with. It would have quickly become a arduous and tedious chore if you had to navigate pass all the elements inside one of these elements before getting to your target element. For example, on the Keyboard preferences window you have several tables each which can be populated with many rows which you have the option to interact
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Donna, Skype uses a name system to talk pc to pc. I could search for your name and then call you directly with out interacting with a conventional number plan. On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: How can you have voicemail if you don't have a number? Just curious, I always just assumed voicemail wasn't an option. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Yes; that was my conclusion as well, that you needed to check call forwarding and then edit the box for seconds there. There isn't any other edit box on the whole page, and the only other combo box is for which number you want it to forward the call to; since I don't have any numbers, logic seems to imply that it will be forwarded to voice mail... :) • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: get iphone 3gs or iphone 4?
Hi Paul, Personally, I'd get the iphone 4, if for no other reason than that it has more processing power and memory, which will help it run faster, and keep it from becoming out-dated as quickly. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi list, As the iphone 4 is now in the market, I'm wondering which to buy. The 3gs has become tremendously cheap these days, and the iphone 4 is 5 weeks waiting over here in the Netherlands. Are there any good reasons for a blindy to wait for the iphone 4, or can I just get myself a 3gs without sacrificing much functionality? Some of you listers will know, so I'm looking forward to hearing from you about this. Is a 4 better for us than a 3gs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: get iphone 3gs or iphone 4?
Get the version 4. Period. The camera is ENORMOUSLY better and if you are planning on using it for any scanning application at all, you'll want it. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, As the iphone 4 is now in the market, I'm wondering which to buy. The 3gs has become tremendously cheap these days, and the iphone 4 is 5 weeks waiting over here in the Netherlands. Are there any good reasons for a blindy to wait for the iphone 4, or can I just get myself a 3gs without sacrificing much functionality? Some of you listers will know, so I'm looking forward to hearing from you about this. Is a 4 better for us than a 3gs? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commacvisionaries%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
No, I know that, I use skype all the time. I just didn't know you could have a voicemail box unless you shelled out the $$ for a number. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Donna, Skype uses a name system to talk pc to pc. I could search for your name and then call you directly with out interacting with a conventional number plan. On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: How can you have voicemail if you don't have a number? Just curious, I always just assumed voicemail wasn't an option. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Yes; that was my conclusion as well, that you needed to check call forwarding and then edit the box for seconds there. There isn't any other edit box on the whole page, and the only other combo box is for which number you want it to forward the call to; since I don't have any numbers, logic seems to imply that it will be forwarded to voice mail... :) • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Yeah I don't see the option at all on th mac. It looks like it is not there. the check box is but the edit control is not. On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:08 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi again! I think we're missing some options, though. The VOicemail has a default amount of seconds, however it doesn't look like you can change it at the moment. Currently, call forwarding may govern it, which is essentially not supposed to be the case as you cannot change the seconds without having call forwarding enabled. Voicemail still works fine, though, regardless, as they are two different features and voicemail does not require a number not even when signing up. I believe the Windows side has a place to change the seconds before voicemail kicks in, however, be aware that of course if Call forwarding is enabled, voicemail will not kick in at all. if you route a Skype number, though, and it calls your Mac the voicemail will still be enabled. To me, it sounds like we're missing something we are supposed to have. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, No, they are two different features. You are correct, though, in that Call Forwarding has to be checked. The call will still be sent to voicemail, however, it will not stay unchecked. There is a setting which governs the duration of an incoming call when someone is calling, but I can't find it at the moment. That governs when the call is actually dropped and sent to voicemail and different from the other feature. Forwarding is when it has something to do with a number, and in this case, it isn't. For example, I don't have a number, but I can still set voicemail and customize it. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Actually on mine you have to set the seconds under call forwarding and I believe when you check the voicemail box the same setting applies. S On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, As said, look passed the help button on the calls tab in preferences. The option is right there, as well as being able to turn it off and set seconds as well as change greeting. IF you have voicemail, you'll see it there. :) Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote: did you pay for the voicemail feature? - Original Message - From: Mark BurningHawk Baxter markbaxte...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings the only box with seconds as a unit is under call forwarding. I checked this box, even though I don't have any numbers to forward my calls to, hoping that voice mail will use it as well. The automatically send unanswered calls to voice mail, box was already checked, but it wasn't working; hopefully changing the seconds value in the call forwarding section will apply as well to voice mail. • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
No you can shell out some money to get just voicemail but I bought the package. with out the incoming number for now. Sarah Alawami MSN: marri...@gmail.com aim: marri...@gmail.com: website: http://music.marrie.org youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: No, I know that, I use skype all the time. I just didn't know you could have a voicemail box unless you shelled out the $$ for a number. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Donna, Skype uses a name system to talk pc to pc. I could search for your name and then call you directly with out interacting with a conventional number plan. On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: How can you have voicemail if you don't have a number? Just curious, I always just assumed voicemail wasn't an option. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Yes; that was my conclusion as well, that you needed to check call forwarding and then edit the box for seconds there. There isn't any other edit box on the whole page, and the only other combo box is for which number you want it to forward the call to; since I don't have any numbers, logic seems to imply that it will be forwarded to voice mail... :) • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
Huh! That's cool. So far just used the free communication, but am thinking about buying a package. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: No you can shell out some money to get just voicemail but I bought the package. with out the incoming number for now. Sarah Alawami MSN: marri...@gmail.com aim: marri...@gmail.com: website: http://music.marrie.org youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: No, I know that, I use skype all the time. I just didn't know you could have a voicemail box unless you shelled out the $$ for a number. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Donna, Skype uses a name system to talk pc to pc. I could search for your name and then call you directly with out interacting with a conventional number plan. On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: How can you have voicemail if you don't have a number? Just curious, I always just assumed voicemail wasn't an option. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: Yes; that was my conclusion as well, that you needed to check call forwarding and then edit the box for seconds there. There isn't any other edit box on the whole page, and the only other combo box is for which number you want it to forward the call to; since I don't have any numbers, logic seems to imply that it will be forwarded to voice mail... :) • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
me personally, i'd rather have a sexy english irish or russian voice on mine. spanish would be good. southern is pretty in a girl friend but so slow i doubt i'd get any work done. I'm from texas, so i can say that you all. take care guys, i'm sure the women will chime in soon with their picks. max On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded hot one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread
Re: Making Skype Voice mail pick up after X rings
I have voice mail associated with my Skype phone number . I don't need to have another number answer my Skype calls, though I could do that if I wanted to pay for it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
windows screen readers
Hi guys don't forget about NVDA and system access by serotek. www.nvda-project.org and www.satogo.com . www.serotek.com . System access works very good with office2007 and other software. NVDA is yet another good option. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Keyboard issues with fusion, suggestions?
Kawal, do you use a USB keyboard with the MBP, JAWS and Fusion, or do you just use the MBP? Will these adjustments in Sharp Keys give the Macbook Pro's keyboard an insert key and cause the windows keys and alt keys to change position? Sorry to be so dense, but I'm really having trouble getting my head around this. Win 7 does work great under Fusion though, but an insert key and an applications key would be fantastic! On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Scott and all those who have problems with insert key with JFW. I saved a post which helped me enormously and I hope that Marshall will not mind me sending it. I just hope I got your name right. Kawal. Begin forwarded message: Hi, Here are my Sharpkes mappings Grave to Special Caps Lock Left Alt to Left Windows Left Windows to Left Alt Right Windows to Applications After I get these keys remapped I switch to the Laptop layout in JAWS. This seems to solve the JAWS/Insert Key problem. It also fixes the reversal of the Windows and Alt Keys. Note that the Keypad layout on the Mac is different from the keypad layout on a Windows machine. Things like the Route PC to JAWS and Route JAWS to PC are in different locations on the Mac keyboard but you can learn the new locations by using JAWS keyboard help. As far as the sound goes, I Launch the VIrtual Machine and then turn off Voiceover. After I login to the Windows machine, I press Control-Command to move to the Mac and turn Voiceover back on. I then use Command-G to return to the Windows machine. I can then switch back and forth by using Control-Command and Command-G. I hope this helps. Marshall -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 +447576240421 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Droids and Macs
Hi, I have used missing sync for both symbian and windows mobile. it's a good program. Depending on just what you want to be syncing, you could do it wirelessly through google. sync your mac with google and your phone with google although that sort of happens automatically because there is a google account connected to the android phone.? I think? if not, then setting it to also sync to google by all rights ought to work flawlessly. I do this with all of my phones pdas and my computer. I only sync for backup purposes and to cram more books on the iphone. Joel On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I just got a Droid today, the LG Ally, in fact. Will that sync with my Mac? If so, how do I go about this process? Thanks In Advance, Courtney Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays at 08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
i've never been sure of the proper spelling of u'all, so i always type it you all when i want to use it. lol thanks and take care, max On Aug 28, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: Don't you mean I can say that, Y'all? I'm from Texas too :) I reckon I could use a voice that sounded like Reba MacIntyre. Hot Dawg! Oh, gosh, been down here too long dog gone it. On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: me personally, i'd rather have a sexy english irish or russian voice on mine. spanish would be good. southern is pretty in a girl friend but so slow i doubt i'd get any work done. I'm from texas, so i can say that you all. take care guys, i'm sure the women will chime in soon with their picks. max On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded hot one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac
Re: Instructions for Kobo Books: How to change to scrolling mode and do table of contents navigation
Esther, I loved your thorough description of changing setting t o scroll and navigating in cobo's free app. I'm having one problem, however, and it must be something stupid on my end. I note that when I tap the I'm reading button and the shelf button, I found a couple of Gutenberg books there. One is Adventures of Huck Finn by mark Twain, which I double tapped to select. On the screen which follows, I have the title and name of the book but no text to read. So it appears that the book is not actually open. Double tapping on the title doesn't do anything productive. Tapping the button that sounds like icon_igear also doesn't seem to do anything, and I'm not seeing icons across the bottom that somebody else mentioned in another message either. what the heck am I doing wrong? mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: the unix shell and mac terminal
All well and good to have these tools available on the MAC. The only problem is that VO access to the terminal is cumbersome at best. My solution to this is to run a Debian VM and use speakup. Much better access to it's term there, and if I need to do anything on my MAC i just ssh over and take care of it that way. Just my 2 cents. Keith On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Yes, you have telnet, ssh, ftp and all the standard clients you'd expect. I'm sure you could enable daemons to accept connections as well although consider the security implications of doing that please.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:58 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: excuse my nose here, but in theory would that let you say tellnet to a site or service that itself is shell associated? sorry if I am over guessing what one might do with that sort of bash. still I would think you could run programs that way? Karen On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Dave Taylor wrote: I don't know anything about this side of using a Mac at all. Is there a good place to learn about it, right from scratch? I'll probably hardly need it, but would certainly like to know just in case. Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: the unix shell and mac terminal Hi Over the past few weeks I have been running vinux 3.0 lucid in a virtual machine and have been playing with it. And then recently I went into the terminal on my mac in snow leopard and typed some commands and surprisingly I find that most of the commands I can perform in vinux I can also do with the terminal or the mac's unix shell. It's really cool. The only difference I can see in the mac is that it uses the darwin kernel while vinux uses the linux kernel. Oh and guys if you go into a terminal in your mac and type: man ls you can even read the unix man pages there. The only thing that doesn't work is apt-get command. I'm not sure if dpkg works or not, I haven't tried it. I'll try right now. Well guys dpkg also does not work. The mac's shell reminds me very much of vinux 3.0 lucid though. If you type uname -a it will tell you the kernel version among other things. If you type: man ls it will bring up the man page for the ls list directory command. to quit the man pages just press the letter q,. To close terminal hit command q. You can even hit tab and it will autocomplete commands for you. I imagine the unix shell is very powerful, even on the mac. And I'm glad mac uses the bash shell. Vinux uses it too. I doubt voxin would work on the mac since voxin I think is compiled for the linux kernel and not the darwin version10 kernel. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Droids and Macs
Hi, Thanks for this info, but I need to know about music, if I hook the droid to the computer, will it show up as a disk, do I just copy the music to the SD card that way, or do I have to take the SD card out somehow, since it's a micro, and didn't come with a standard SD adapter, I don't think? Thanks in advance, Courtney Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays at 08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Joel Zimba wrote: Hi, I have used missing sync for both symbian and windows mobile. it's a good program. Depending on just what you want to be syncing, you could do it wirelessly through google. sync your mac with google and your phone with google although that sort of happens automatically because there is a google account connected to the android phone.? I think? if not, then setting it to also sync to google by all rights ought to work flawlessly. I do this with all of my phones pdas and my computer. I only sync for backup purposes and to cram more books on the iphone. Joel On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I just got a Droid today, the LG Ally, in fact. Will that sync with my Mac? If so, how do I go about this process? Thanks In Advance, Courtney Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays at 08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Keyboard issues with fusion, suggestions? How do I get F9 through F 12 keys in windows?
I finally got it. I used Sharp Keys and now have a Jaws key and an applications key. Yea I still can't get F9 through F12. Anybody have an idea about this? On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Scott and all those who have problems with insert key with JFW. I saved a post which helped me enormously and I hope that Marshall will not mind me sending it. I just hope I got your name right. Kawal. Begin forwarded message: Hi, Here are my Sharpkes mappings Grave to Special Caps Lock Left Alt to Left Windows Left Windows to Left Alt Right Windows to Applications After I get these keys remapped I switch to the Laptop layout in JAWS. This seems to solve the JAWS/Insert Key problem. It also fixes the reversal of the Windows and Alt Keys. Note that the Keypad layout on the Mac is different from the keypad layout on a Windows machine. Things like the Route PC to JAWS and Route JAWS to PC are in different locations on the Mac keyboard but you can learn the new locations by using JAWS keyboard help. As far as the sound goes, I Launch the VIrtual Machine and then turn off Voiceover. After I login to the Windows machine, I press Control-Command to move to the Mac and turn Voiceover back on. I then use Command-G to return to the Windows machine. I can then switch back and forth by using Control-Command and Command-G. I hope this helps. Marshall -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 +447576240421 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Instructions for Kobo Books: How to change to scrolling mode and do table of contents navigation
Of course, after sending my last message on this topic, I went back one more time and tried the cobo app, and it worked as described. I don't get it, but I hope it continues to work. mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
importing feeds in grml
Hi all, I will change my rss-reader from netnewswire to gruml. I have already installed gruml and it works fine... Now , I just want to import my feedslist from my previous newsreader. I was looking for a import facility on reader.google.com since gruml has no function for that. I went to settings and there was a function to import/export. The only problem seems to be that this function , to import/export feeds, is places on a header , not on a link.. So, I can't activate this choice to import/export feeds. Are there some suggestions? Thanx alot for your answers, best regards, William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: bookshare books
i'll have to figure out how indaycy works and hope it helps. talking about bookshare books, do you guys know if the only way to read them on the mac is using safari? thanks, Rafaela El 27/08/2010, a las 14:37, Sarah Alawami escribió: OH nice! I hope htey come out wiht something. and let's hope RFBD is in the cueue next but I doubt it. On Aug 27, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote: There is Book Worm and InDaisy. I gather InDaisy supports the Daisy 3 standard. Although apparently there is a possibility Book Share may be doing something as well. COnsidering they recently conducted a survey asking about such an app for various mobile platforms. On Aug 27, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: what is the new daisy player called for the iphone? On Aug 26, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh no I was talking about another app on the iphone.that is a new one only for now supports dasi 2. they said it would support 3 this month but it has not happened yet. and you would have to get a key from RFBD and NLS does not support any software. Take care. Sarah Alawami MSN: marri...@gmail.com aim: marri...@gmail.com: website: http://music.marrie.org youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Sara, perhaps you need to check your facts before posting. InDaisy does support Daisy 2 and 3 at least for audio playback. On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Nope. they are in dasi 3.0 while the dasi reader on the apps store only supports dasi 2.0. Sorry to be the barrer of bad news but it is what it is. Sarah Alawami MSN: marri...@gmail.com aim: marri...@gmail.com: website: http://music.marrie.org youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com On Aug 25, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Rafaela Freundt wrote: Hi list, I was just wandering if it is possible to read bookshare books on the iPod touch. any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks all, Rafaela -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Droids and Macs
I know the original android phone from TMobile showed up as a disk on my mac. I wouldn't know about current models, but I'd be shocked if it didn't work that way. Joel Depending on just what you want to be syncing, you could do it wirelessly through google. sync your mac with google and your phone with google although that sort of happens automatically because there is a google account connected to the android phone.? I think? if not, then setting it to also sync to google by all rights ought to work flawlessly. I do this with all of my phones pdas and my computer. I only sync for backup purposes and to cram more books on the iphone. Joel On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I just got a Droid today, the LG Ally, in fact. Will that sync with my Mac? If so, how do I go about this process? Thanks In Advance, Courtney Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays at 08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Description of the Finder and how to best understand VO method of navigating on the screen
What aApple refers to as elements or items are referred to as controls in Windows, but usually only the more technical descriptions of windows interfaces ever mention that term. Everyone both Microsoft and Apple used the set of controls from universal computer interface design which I.B.M. had a hand in originating before windows came into existence for its own OS/2 operating system.On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Alfredo wrote: The following is a small tutorial on how to navigate with VO and description of the Finder. you can press command+2, to get the view set tot default. I do not think I wrote that information here. Please critic. Constructive criticism is welcome. Alfredo Being apple, the company created a new and ingenious way for a screen reader to read the information on the screen. Voice Over is a screen reader by all definitions but it is different in the form it access and navigates to information on the screen. To better understand how VO works, you have to understand the concept of elements. Elements, also refer to as items, are the different kinds of controls and objects VO and sighted users can access on any given screenor window. Elements are navigated to by pressing the VO keys in conjunction with any single key of the arrow keys, and include but are not limited to the following: ? Text, usually a description, label or title for another element. ? Buttons, activating these will perform an action as described by the button?s label. ? Checkbox, similar to a light switch, can either be toggled on or off, but not both. ? Radio button, think of this as a checkbox with multiple choices but only 1 can be selected. ? Text Field, equivalent to the Text box found on Windows, used to type in text. ? Pop Up Menu, equivalent to combo boxes found on Windows, used to select 1 or more options. ? List, equivalent to list boxes found on Windows, used to select 1 option from several. ? Menu bar, includes the persistent menu bar on top of your Mac screen and its submenus. ? Vertical Slider, is a slider that you can move right to increase or left to decrease it. ? Table, designates that the object is arrange in a column and row format. ? Tab, equivalent to tabs on Windows PC?s, allows for vieweing of different tabs inside a window. ? Toolbar, gives you access to elements inside a window?s toolbar. ? HTML content, used by windows that need to display web page content, such as web browsers. ? Scroll Area, designates an area that might have content that is not visible to the sighted user. ? Ruler, used on word processing applications, such as text edit, to set document features ? Group, designates a tree view structure-like area, where elements expand from other elements. Most elements can be ?interacted? with and some require that you ?interact? with them to gain access to them. ?interacting? with an element, with VO+Shift+Down-Arrow, allows you to take a closer look at that element and will give you access to functions or features of that element which are not available when not interacting with it. To resume normal navigation and stop interacting with an element you will have to press, VO+Shift+Up-Arrow. All Text elements can be interacted with so that you can read the text word by word, character by character or phonetically. On the other hand, in order to adjust a Vertical Slider element you have to first interact with it, then use the VO+Left-Arrow, VO+Shift+Left-Arrow, VO+Right-Arrow or VO+Shift +Right-Arrow to adjust it. Furthermore, elements can contain elements inside them which can be interacted with, creating a layer structure for interacting with elements. For example, a Table can be interacted with, and inside it there can reside elements of the Group or Text type which themselves can be interacted with. HTML content elements are the areas of web browsers where the web page is display and this element can contain many elements inside it, such as Tables, Text, Links, Pop Up buttons, Radio buttons, etc, which can be further interacted with. Most applicaitons such as the Safari web browser or Finder application have you interacting with the area of the window which it assumes you will be accessing most. For example, when Safari opens you are automatically place inside the HTML content area of the window. On the Finder you are automatically placed inside the Table List view when using List view or Image Browser aList when using Icon view since this is the element of the window you will be accessing most often. This is a convenient feature since it prevents you from having to interact with these frequently accessed areas everytime you open an application. As you might imagine being able to choose whether to interact with an element or bypass it and go to the next element can be beneficial and a time saver. This is because as you read before, some elements, such as Tables, Toolbar, Ruler and
Re: Droids and Macs
Hi, Question for you Droid Users. Does talkback read text messages and read your typing them? I know it reads emails, calender, and contacts. Thanks in Advance. I'm wondering about Android more and more, as I can get a Kyocera Android Phone on Kricket without a contract, and a decent monthly plan. That or get a droid through Verizon on my Moms plan. On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I got it on the Mac, I kind of put my hand on the Touch screen and slid, and it said press Ok to mount as disc, so that's what I did and it worked. I put some of my music on there and it's great. Courtney Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays at 08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info On Aug 29, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Joel Zimba wrote: I know the original android phone from TMobile showed up as a disk on my mac. I wouldn't know about current models, but I'd be shocked if it didn't work that way. Joel Depending on just what you want to be syncing, you could do it wirelessly through google. sync your mac with google and your phone with google although that sort of happens automatically because there is a google account connected to the android phone.? I think? if not, then setting it to also sync to google by all rights ought to work flawlessly. I do this with all of my phones pdas and my computer. I only sync for backup purposes and to cram more books on the iphone. Joel On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I just got a Droid today, the LG Ally, in fact. Will that sync with my Mac? If so, how do I go about this process? Thanks In Advance, Courtney Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays at 08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: windows screen readers
I use System Access and find it very user friendly, unlike Jaws. Moreover, System Access is relatively inexpensive. I don't know if it works well with VMWare, though. Rafael Bejarano From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy [jkenn...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:31 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: windows screen readers Hi guys don't forget about NVDA and system access by serotek. www.nvda-project.org and www.satogo.com . www.serotek.com . System access works very good with office2007 and other software. NVDA is yet another good option. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
I second Spanish. I had a mexican girlfriend for about a year. Great accent! On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: me personally, i'd rather have a sexy english irish or russian voice on mine. spanish would be good. southern is pretty in a girl friend but so slow i doubt i'd get any work done. I'm from texas, so i can say that you all. take care guys, i'm sure the women will chime in soon with their picks. max On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded hot one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if
Re: windows screen readers
It seems to work with VM Fusion. Mike demonstrates this on his podcast. (mac demo 5). On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:28 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: I use System Access and find it very user friendly, unlike Jaws. Moreover, System Access is relatively inexpensive. I don't know if it works well with VMWare, though. Rafael Bejarano From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy [jkenn...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:31 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: windows screen readers Hi guys don't forget about NVDA and system access by serotek. www.nvda-project.org and www.satogo.com . www.serotek.com . System access works very good with office2007 and other software. NVDA is yet another good option. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
