Re: differences between I pad and I pod touch?
Thanks, Bryan. I'll certainly consider these options. Teresa On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Teresa, I'm not sure if you're in the US, but the ipad 3G does not require a data plan in the US. It is somewhat progressive in it's handling of 3G data usage in that there is no contract and you can start and stop and restart your 3G data on a monthly basis directly from the ipad with no penalties. You can pay US $15 per month for 200 MB of data or US $25 per month for 2 GB of data, or pay nothing if and when you don't need 3G wireless. HTH, Bryan On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: I appreciate this discussion, because I'm considering between them as well. I want something that allows me to read email and do a bit of googling and such, so I am leaning toward the Ipod Touch. I also don't necessarily want a data plan. Teresa On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: differences between I pad and I pod touch?
Another advantage of the iPad is the screen size for partially sighted people. Using Zoom makes reading and navigating much easier for them. All the best Jürgen Am 17.12.2010 um 09:33 schrieb Teresa Cochran: Thanks, Bryan. I'll certainly consider these options. Teresa On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Teresa, I'm not sure if you're in the US, but the ipad 3G does not require a data plan in the US. It is somewhat progressive in it's handling of 3G data usage in that there is no contract and you can start and stop and restart your 3G data on a monthly basis directly from the ipad with no penalties. You can pay US $15 per month for 200 MB of data or US $25 per month for 2 GB of data, or pay nothing if and when you don't need 3G wireless. HTH, Bryan On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: I appreciate this discussion, because I'm considering between them as well. I want something that allows me to read email and do a bit of googling and such, so I am leaning toward the Ipod Touch. I also don't necessarily want a data plan. Teresa On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: world of warcraft API
Oh, that sounds intresting! Are anyone here on the list into such? It would be quite fun to try out WOW! -David On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 23:01, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the world of warcraft API which allows to add functions to the UI of world of warcraft. http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API I am wondering how the mac port has been compiled, if it would be easy to plug voice over capabilities over the whole interface, if some sound cues could be added to mesh elements in-game, etc etc. I would seriously be interested in investing on this scripting capability as i really believe this could make a blast of a time for a lot of blind players. Xmas is the time of dreams, and i'm really really utterly unforgivingly serious about this. If anyone knows of someone who has already scripted for world of warcraft, please do contact me :) Best regards, Yuma DX® -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us
SEE Finance is a financial management package which allows for the tracking of checking, savings, credit card and investment accounts. I purchased the product and wrote technical support with recommendations for VoiceOver improvements and support requests. When I received no response, I figured it was another case of a company not wishing to tackle accessibility. I just received an apologetic e-mail from the company. Apparently, their spam filters prevented my e-mails from reaching their inboxes. They've issued me a complete refund, but more importantly, stated that a new update labeling many buttons was coming my way by the end of the week. I'm very encouraged and if anybody is looking for a financial package, I'd encourage you to support this company. Nothing is guaranteed, but the tone of their e-mail certainly gives me cause for hope that VoiceOver support will be significantly enhanced. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us
Hi, It's an encouraging mail as there is a poor choice of finance applications. I myself use money 3 by jumpsoft, and they have been very helpful in making small tweaks to their interface first for getting their software to play nice with my bank, and they have promised to increase accessibility for their next release. Keep up with the constructive communication. Best Yuma DX® -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: just a thought, might be interesting for the future
soundrts is a competitor to world of warcraft only problem is or maybe was it works on Tiger but not Leopard or Snow Leopard. I just got a refurbished imac which I've been told the most it can do is Tiger so I may have me a gaming platform. I don't know what would happen if soundrts were installed on snow leopard could that even be done and don't know how accessible the game will be after that. I was just about to find all of that stuff out about that game when I upgraded from tiger to leopard.On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Eric Oyen wrote: Yuma, I played that game for a better part of 3 years before I lost my remaining sight 5 months ago. even for a low partial, it was hard, but fun. unfortunately, it is no longer playable for me (unless they can fix the sound environment). -Eric On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Here is a link about some accessiblity improvements from blizzard on their world of warcraft game http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/blizzard-speaks-to-ablegamers-on-the-new-accessibility-options-in-wow.html I know, this is one step too far from us blind individuals, but it means that there is an effort from blizzard, and having played the game myself for a full month when i was sighted, the richness of the game made me reminisce over these hours spent building my character. Does anyone here have a link to a place where we can forward discuss gameplay elements for blind gamers? Starting this trend if it is not already, would make for some interesting abstractions of the visual content into audio ready playability. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: just a thought, might be interesting for the future
Hi Eric, As you do have a version of WOW for the mac, i was wondering if you were actually able to get to the game world, or were stuck in the intro dialog where you choose your character. Is there any navigation possible with VO before entering the world, and once within the world is everything inaccessible? I'm asking this as i believe the scripts can take from various parts of the api and provide sound cues and menu navigation via key bindings, just as is the case in quake when you go to the console. For the sound cues, i think it should be a matter of mesh picking within the game window. All objects are drawn and therfore have ID tags to them, with sub categories, such as NPC, players, statics, triggers etc. If different sound cues could be integrated which do not hamper too much to the experience, and allow the user to understand where he/she is, this might be a start. I remember there were a lot of keys used when entering a full blown warzone, spells, items in the pouch, jumps and communication, so there are probably many ways to find an underlying architecture that could easily be picked for accessiblity. If all graphics are turned to their minimum, and sound quality is in fact true 3D spatial, this could be something to consider. Best ergards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: just a thought, might be interesting for the future
Hi Jude, SoundRTS is a game similar to warcraft. World of warcraft is a totally different style. Its an MMORPG meaning an online multiplayer role playing game. I've listened to the sound rts demo and it seems pretty cool, and i'm sure this could be translated spatially without the restirctions of quadrant based boxes. The touchscreens would make a good job in this sense, only if there are tactile toucscreens such as those that will come out in 2011 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us
Can you tell me more about Money3? What types of accounts can be tracked? I'm hoping to settle on SEE Finance, but I'm not ready to jump on their bandwagon just yet. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us
If see finance offers a budgeting capability where users could set up their own categories and track expenses with tabular text output being available, I'd probably buy it.On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Les Kriegler wrote: Can you tell me more about Money3? What types of accounts can be tracked? I'm hoping to settle on SEE Finance, but I'm not ready to jump on their bandwagon just yet. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: world of warcraft API
I too would be interesting in being able to play WOW. Friendly, Chris On Dec 17, 2010, at 2:05 AM, David Hole wrote: Oh, that sounds intresting! Are anyone here on the list into such? It would be quite fun to try out WOW! -David On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 23:01, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the world of warcraft API which allows to add functions to the UI of world of warcraft. http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API I am wondering how the mac port has been compiled, if it would be easy to plug voice over capabilities over the whole interface, if some sound cues could be added to mesh elements in-game, etc etc. I would seriously be interested in investing on this scripting capability as i really believe this could make a blast of a time for a lot of blind players. Xmas is the time of dreams, and i'm really really utterly unforgivingly serious about this. If anyone knows of someone who has already scripted for world of warcraft, please do contact me :) Best regards, Yuma DX® -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us
Well, there is a budgeting feature and I believe one can add categories. At this point, I don't know if one can tab around or not, however. If not, that will be a recommendation I will offer the company. Now that we apparently have a dialog going, I think we have a shot to get some good things done. They stated that there are about 500 buttons throughout the program that they will be fixing for VoiceOver use, so when the update comes out, I may have to disable the labels I created, as I don't want to hear double reading of labels. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, but when a page consists of hundreds of items, one must do this Items times N times rather than pressing control-a - control-c in MSIE or FireFox? I attempted to use the technique described below to copy a long oped column and very quickly gave up and booted up the old Netbook. Eh what? Command + A then Command + C selects then copies the entire page, same as in MSIE or Firefox. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: just a thought, might be interesting for the future
I can tell you this: VO will not work with the client at all. once you start the client to log-in, you get no voice out of VO. The way I played before involved a very large screen and my being very close (less than a foot). made for some very hard raiding, but it was doable, just. as for the sound environment, it should sound a lot like the natural world. if you are walking align in a tunnel, you should be able to hear the approximate locations if the walls based on reflected sound of your footsteps and armor noise. if you hear battle be it sounds muffled, that means you have an object between you and the fight. the fight should be perfectly visible in sound, like if a monster is on the right doing battle and is closer to you than one on the left also doing battle, then the right one should sound louder and sound off to the right. depending on where they are around, using binaural sound location should be easy. I don't hear any of this in the game. -Eric On Dec 17, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi Eric, As you do have a version of WOW for the mac, i was wondering if you were actually able to get to the game world, or were stuck in the intro dialog where you choose your character. Is there any navigation possible with VO before entering the world, and once within the world is everything inaccessible? I'm asking this as i believe the scripts can take from various parts of the api and provide sound cues and menu navigation via key bindings, just as is the case in quake when you go to the console. For the sound cues, i think it should be a matter of mesh picking within the game window. All objects are drawn and therfore have ID tags to them, with sub categories, such as NPC, players, statics, triggers etc. If different sound cues could be integrated which do not hamper too much to the experience, and allow the user to understand where he/she is, this might be a start. I remember there were a lot of keys used when entering a full blown warzone, spells, items in the pouch, jumps and communication, so there are probably many ways to find an underlying architecture that could easily be picked for accessiblity. If all graphics are turned to their minimum, and sound quality is in fact true 3D spatial, this could be something to consider. Best ergards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us
Hi: I'm in contact with Checkbook Pro's company in regards to a few accessability improvements. Splasm has been ver responsive. On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:27 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: SEE Finance is a financial management package which allows for the tracking of checking, savings, credit card and investment accounts. I purchased the product and wrote technical support with recommendations for VoiceOver improvements and support requests. When I received no response, I figured it was another case of a company not wishing to tackle accessibility. I just received an apologetic e-mail from the company. Apparently, their spam filters prevented my e-mails from reaching their inboxes. They've issued me a complete refund, but more importantly, stated that a new update labeling many buttons was coming my way by the end of the week. I'm very encouraged and if anybody is looking for a financial package, I'd encourage you to support this company. Nothing is guaranteed, but the tone of their e-mail certainly gives me cause for hope that VoiceOver support will be significantly enhanced. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Benjamin: I don't think you read before responding to this post. We're talking about the ability to copy something like an article or collumn of text without having to do select-all and chop later. I think Geoff is saying the method of Vo-Shift-Return to set start and stop selecting wasn't working well for him. I have the same ecxperience when attempting to select and copy text. Carolyn Haas On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, but when a page consists of hundreds of items, one must do this Items times N times rather than pressing control-a - control-c in MSIE or FireFox? I attempted to use the technique described below to copy a long oped column and very quickly gave up and booted up the old Netbook. Eh what? Command + A then Command + C selects then copies the entire page, same as in MSIE or Firefox. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Power Search in iTunes
What's the URL for the Power Search page for iTunes? Trying to search for some music, and cant see to do it from within the store. Jane -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about the ability to copy something like an article or collumn of text without having to do select-all and chop later. I think Geoff is saying the method of Vo-Shift-Return to set start and stop selecting wasn't working well for him. I'm not saying VO-Shift-Return works, but Geoff was comparing it with pressing control-a - control-c in MSIE or FireFox, which does not copy something like an article or column of text. My point is Command-A Command-C works exactly the same way in Safari. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Hi Marlena, I see no one has suggested control shift c yet. I'm not sure how I got along without that keystroke on windows. It works like this. You hear voiceover say something, you press control option shift C, you paste where you like. So, If all of the instructions for your recipe are in one item and voiceover speaks that item, press control option shift C and it will copy the entire contents of that item to clipboard for pasting anywhere you desire. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-12-16, at 12:29 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Numbers Podcast
Hay Alison, Did yo ever put a link to your numbers podcast, or maybe it's not even done yet? Hoping always to learn, marlaina On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi again all, I'm sorry for the multiple posts, but since I'm posting about different topics, I thought it would be easier to write multiple messages. I remember a while ago someone had asked for a podcast on Numbers. I'm unsure of how to use Numbers, but I will learn the basics and put one up. If anyone is interested I will post the link here when it's done. Have a great day. Musically, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
New I phone owners, was, Re: differences between I pad and I pod touch?
Lol, we just got I phones today! Mark's n 95 is in the process of dying and that's why we were thinking of upgrading this soon, anyway, but if we could hold out until our upgrade date in Ap[ril, we were going to try that instead to save some money.Anyway, we called our provider just on a whim to see what they could/would offer if we threatened to leave and they offered something we couldn't refuse, so we bit. Is there anything we need to know when we get these things. We have to call customer service so they can activate the sim cards in thephones, but other then that, I think we need to hook them up to the pc to I tunes to activate voiceover, etc, right? Anything else, like calibrating the touch screen, etc? On 16/12/2010 7:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Well Cait, when it comes down to sharing, I'd go for the iPod because as much as I love my wife, I sure as hell won't share my toys with her. :) Yep, when I got the iPhone, she had to have one as well or I would never have heard the end of it. Now I said I was considering an iPad and so, she is considering one as well. Maybe the real problem is not sharing, but finding the time to share. :) Good luck with whatever device you choose. Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote: Thanks, Scott. Mark is trying to decide between the two, but he's totally new to the world of Mac and also to touch screen environments. I thought the pad would just be easier and might be more functional then the touch... But where we live, we can get two of the touches for one of the pads, which has some appeal as we wouldn't have to share. Cait On 16/12/2010 2:55 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Caitlyn, Some argue the iPad is a larger iPod; however, that is incorrect. There are of course many similarities, but the interface is different. THe additional screen size does allow for a different navigation experience for both blind and sighted individuals. SOme would say the web browsing is much easier and provides a greater idea of the page layout. I am sure those who have both devices will comment more extensively, but I am giving the iPad some serious consideration for my family. I can see using the iPad to serve a variety of needs and having a central or couple of central machines for syncing and purposes that are not suited to the iPad. I already have an iPhone and find this to be incredibly useful; however, I feel the iPad does meet a need and certainly I can see it taking the place of a notebook while traveling when a full-blown machine is not required. Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote: Hi, My husband wants me to ask what the differences are between the I pad and the I pod touch. As far as I can see, the only difference is the size. Is this so, and if not, what are the others? Thanks, Caitlyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How to interact with a folder.
Ok so when in finder, I pressed command 3 but vo didn't say anything. Should it have said column mode? Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Riczrdo: You may ave solved for me the silly issue I've had wondering why some things and folders don't work the way they did. Obviously, I haven't yet mastered the modes thingie very well in terms of knowing what works best. Thanks. Carolyn H On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I use column mode myself. with this, pressing right arrow to open, and left arrow to close a folder, works 100% of the time. From the finder you can press command 3 to display finder contents in column mode. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: You can use the right arrow to open a folder in browser or list view mode of a finder window. They behave a little differently though, in list mode the list gets longer and in browser mode you get moved over a column. Rading a description of browser mode would probably be hhelpful to folks that do a lot of scanning through folders. I will try to explain... In browser mode there are three or four columns available. The left most column is the highest in the set of folders currently visible. If one turns on preview mode for the browser then the right most column will have a Large icon of the folder and a bit more directory / file information (including I believe a start playing button for A/V files. What I reallylike about the browser mode, is that if you hit right arrow to view a folder hitting left arrow will bring you to the enclosing folde inwith the folder you just left selected. So if I am looking at Library/Application Support/Apple and hit a right arrow Apple will be selected and I can hit down arrow to see what the next item in Library/Application Support is. in a finder or window or a file selection dialog box, hitting command-3 will put you in browser mode. Best regards, Jon On 16 December 2010 12:33, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like at level 0 you have to do cmd down arrow but at 1 or 2 you do right arrow, I tried to discover a consistent pattern with this but thus far always at 0 cmd down arrow will open. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Jim: Try using commando to open the folder. Or, also, command-down-arrow will open the folder for you. I believe there's something that gets tweeked and changes this pattern of interaction. Because, there are times when simply right arrowing will open a folder, and there are other times it needs the command-o. HTH Carolyn Haas On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Howdy Folks, Using voice over, I'm trying to bring up a terminal, which is in the applications folder. So far, I'm failing to figure out how to navigate into and around the Applications folder. Can someone let me know how to go about this? Here's what I've tried so far... VO + d to go to the dock VO + right arrow several times until I hear applications folder VO + space to open the folder. At this point, I can see there's a window on the screen, and if I use the arrow keys to move around inside it, I can see that different icons are being highlighted. However, VO does not speak. If I use VO + arrow keys, voice over acts as if I'm still in the doc, even though I've opened this window. All help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For
Re: safari questions
Ok Mike, but I can't always seem to interact. Before I continue whining though, let me try out your method and see what happens. Thanks so much! Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: The answer to bot of these is to interact with the item. You can then read it word by word, or character by character. To select text, interact with the item, then press control option enter at the beginning of what you want to copy. Now move to the end of the text to copy and press control option enter again, then press command c to copy the text. On Dec 16, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Ok Mike, I just went to http://www.vegancoach.com/how-to-cook-a-turnip.html and tried to follow your instructions. Each line is showing up as its own item, so when I interact with it, I still only get a line at a time. Also, I could not move by character, only by word. I did find that by turning on the reader and selecting to email the page, then navigating to the text of the email, I could move freely and copy whatever I wanted. but, that's a pain to have to do all the time. So, am I doing something wrong here? Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: The answer to bot of these is to interact with the item. You can then read it word by word, or character by character. To select text, interact with the item, then press control option enter at the beginning of what you want to copy. Now move to the end of the text to copy and press control option enter again, then press command c to copy the text. On Dec 16, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: New I phone owners, was, Re: differences between I pad and I pod touch?
HI. Yes, without being able to see you have to hook it up to the computer to turn on vo. This is easy with itunes and window-eyes. I suspect it is easy with jaws too but I have never tried it and I have never tried using nvda with itunes so can't comment on the ease of use. short version from memory. When you first plug in the phone, you will be asked to set it up. it will then appear in the sources treeview under devices. Arrow to the phone and tab a time or to to get to summary tab. Tab a few more times to reach a button called setup universal access or words to that effect. This will have a group of radio buttons for dealing with voice over and you want the on button. it will ask for confirmation and give you a warning about it changing the interface on the phone etc but once that has happened you are good. Since I use mac itunes, I might have missed a bit or two but I have done it for people on windows a couple of times and I think this is basically correct. Brian. On 17/12/2010 4:19 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote: Lol, we just got I phones today! Mark's n 95 is in the process of dying and that's why we were thinking of upgrading this soon, anyway, but if we could hold out until our upgrade date in Ap[ril, we were going to try that instead to save some money. Anyway, we called our provider just on a whim to see what they could/would offer if we threatened to leave and they offered something we couldn't refuse, so we bit. Is there anything we need to know when we get these things. We have to call customer service so they can activate the sim cards in thephones, but other then that, I think we need to hook them up to the pc to I tunes to activate voiceover, etc, right? Anything else, like calibrating the touch screen, etc? On 16/12/2010 7:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Well Cait, when it comes down to sharing, I'd go for the iPod because as much as I love my wife, I sure as hell won't share my toys with her. :) Yep, when I got the iPhone, she had to have one as well or I would never have heard the end of it. Now I said I was considering an iPad and so, she is considering one as well. Maybe the real problem is not sharing, but finding the time to share. :) Good luck with whatever device you choose. Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote: Thanks, Scott. Mark is trying to decide between the two, but he's totally new to the world of Mac and also to touch screen environments. I thought the pad would just be easier and might be more functional then the touch... But where we live, we can get two of the touches for one of the pads, which has some appeal as we wouldn't have to share. Cait On 16/12/2010 2:55 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Caitlyn, Some argue the iPad is a larger iPod; however, that is incorrect. There are of course many similarities, but the interface is different. THe additional screen size does allow for a different navigation experience for both blind and sighted individuals. SOme would say the web browsing is much easier and provides a greater idea of the page layout. I am sure those who have both devices will comment more extensively, but I am giving the iPad some serious consideration for my family. I can see using the iPad to serve a variety of needs and having a central or couple of central machines for syncing and purposes that are not suited to the iPad. I already have an iPhone and find this to be incredibly useful; however, I feel the iPad does meet a need and certainly I can see it taking the place of a notebook while traveling when a full-blown machine is not required. Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote: Hi, My husband wants me to ask what the differences are between the I pad and the I pod touch. As far as I can see, the only difference is the size. Is this so, and if not, what are the others? Thanks, Caitlyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- skype: brian.moore twitter: bmoore123 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: changed iTunes server but purchases don't go there
Hi Tim. It's all different: 2 computers, 2 accounts, 2 different media folders on the NetGear. I can copy things to NetGear I suppose, but I want them off my Air completely because I have a terrabite server for music and the like, and I don't want my air holding all that stuff. Sorry to be so dense about all this. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, Now, when you say two different libraries and two different accounts, does that also mean that you both have different media folders on your NetGear server? If you are sharing the same folder to access your media, then there's going to be some issues. If you each have totally different iTunes media folders, then I believe that this can be worked out. The reason you'll have problems when you are attempting to share the same iTunes media folder, is due to the fact that itunes is more than just a media player, it is a media organizer, media store and interactive media browser. When media is imported into itunes, it's put into a library database, so the media is placed in a specific location and the database knows where it was put and how to access it when needed. If media is put into the media location without using the import functionality, then iTunes really has no idea that it exists. So, if you are sharing the same media folder, you or your husband could add media to your own library but the other would not see it unless you import it yourself. There are ways of sharing iTunes media using the Home Sharing or shared Library methods but I don't want to get into them unless we can really determine if that is your best option. Later... On 2010-12-16, at 4:58 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. Gary and I have different libraries and different accounts. I still can't figure out where my purchases are going, but I'm not giving up! Marlaina On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, Any luck with purchasing albums. One issue you may run into when more than one user is accessing the same iTunes Library is when you or he add music or media. iTunes creates a database when managing your Library so if you add music, it will appear in your Library but not in his unless you rebuild things each time. This will affect you in the same manner if your husband does the adding. There are probably ways around this, but I think that you'd both have to have Macs. I can help with that off-list if that is your case. Thanks. On 2010-12-05, at 10:51 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. Gary uses the same file server and location to play music, but not sure where his library is. You are great, and thanks for all the help. I willl swear at this, I mean play at this tomorrow, :) Marlaina On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Marlaina, Is the media on your NetGear server used by another computer as well? If so, is it accessed using iTunes as well? If this media is just used for the iTunes on your Mac, I'd do the following instead: 1. Start up iTunes with the Option key down. This will force iTunes to ask for where your iTunes Library is or to Create a new one. 2. Press cmd-c to bring up the connected devices. 3. Select the NetGear server. 4. Press Create New to create a new iTunes Library folder. Make sure to name it iTunes. 5. Drop your music/media folder into that new iTunes folder. This folder should be named iTunes Media. 6. Make sure in your Preferences that the path to the iTunes Media folder is correct under the Advanced pane. 7. If your library isn't populated, just choose Add to Library under the File menu and add this media folder. What this does for you is make sure that all the iTunes Library and media is under one roof. Then you shouldn't have any issues with purchased music going into the wrong place. You could also rename the iTunes folder in your Home directory to maybe iTunes 2 just so it's not accidentally chosen some time. Let me know how it goes. Later... On 2010-12-05, at 9:23 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Yes Tim; they are in my iTunes music folder; I see them in Finder. On Dec 5, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, That's odd. Where did they end up when they were downloaded? Do you see them anywhere? Later... On 2010-12-05, at 3:50 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok, here I am again with yet another ask. Per excellent directions from this list, I have indeed changed my iTunes server to my music file server. that all works well; it repopulates each time I open it and that is fine. But, (and isn't there always a darned but), when I by albums on iTunes (I've bought two since doing this), my purchases are not showing up on my server. I still find navigating around my hd and to my file server to be a hit and miss experience. Can I somehow tell iTunes to put all my purchases in my external file server?
Re: SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us
Les, Please let us know what you get at the end of the week or whenever you get it. I'm interested in getting an accessible something or other to help with tracking finances. Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: SEE Finance is a financial management package which allows for the tracking of checking, savings, credit card and investment accounts. I purchased the product and wrote technical support with recommendations for VoiceOver improvements and support requests. When I received no response, I figured it was another case of a company not wishing to tackle accessibility. I just received an apologetic e-mail from the company. Apparently, their spam filters prevented my e-mails from reaching their inboxes. They've issued me a complete refund, but more importantly, stated that a new update labeling many buttons was coming my way by the end of the week. I'm very encouraged and if anybody is looking for a financial package, I'd encourage you to support this company. Nothing is guaranteed, but the tone of their e-mail certainly gives me cause for hope that VoiceOver support will be significantly enhanced. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Eric, I'll try that but I still have a problem when each item is only a line. Man, I hope I can remember all this safari stuff, :) So control option shift c will copy the text of the item I just heard. Control option return will begin selecting and control option return will stop selecting and then I do a command c. I have to break my mind open here and come up with ways to remember all this stuff, :) Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:02 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Marlena, I see no one has suggested control shift c yet. I'm not sure how I got along without that keystroke on windows. It works like this. You hear voiceover say something, you press control option shift C, you paste where you like. So, If all of the instructions for your recipe are in one item and voiceover speaks that item, press control option shift C and it will copy the entire contents of that item to clipboard for pasting anywhere you desire. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-12-16, at 12:29 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Hi, The control option shift c method is a pain on that particular webpage. I made it a bit less daunting by switching to group mode. That grouped some of the smaller items for me so that I could sweep them up faster and it also made it possible for me to get just the article without the tedious google ads. Admittedly not perfect, but a marginal improvement. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-12-17, at 5:04 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Eric, I'll try that but I still have a problem when each item is only a line. Man, I hope I can remember all this safari stuff, :) So control option shift c will copy the text of the item I just heard. Control option return will begin selecting and control option return will stop selecting and then I do a command c. I have to break my mind open here and come up with ways to remember all this stuff, :) Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:02 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Marlena, I see no one has suggested control shift c yet. I'm not sure how I got along without that keystroke on windows. It works like this. You hear voiceover say something, you press control option shift C, you paste where you like. So, If all of the instructions for your recipe are in one item and voiceover speaks that item, press control option shift C and it will copy the entire contents of that item to clipboard for pasting anywhere you desire. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-12-16, at 12:29 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Text Expander, and it's search snippets feature, help request
I just updated Text Expander to 3.x. I'm trying to use the search snippets feature. I've set up a hockey, and get an edit box and a label saying search snippets. When I place a word to search in the edit box, nothing seems to happen. I've used VO spacebar and pressed enter. Has anyone had success with the search snippets in Text Expander 3.x? Brett C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Connecting To Wireless
Hi all, I'm not ture what I'm doing wrong. I'm trying to connect to my wireless network at home, which does not have a password. Yet my computer is unable to connect. I am able to connect on my BrailleNote just fine. Any help would be appreciated. Ezzy Bueno Sent from my BrailleNote Apex (512) 553-8553 Skype: sillyezFacebook: www.facebook.com/sillyez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Yes Benjamin, I was not clear. Obviously control+a control+c are identical with their command key Mac counterparts, however in the Mac world one can not be selective in their selection with the shift+arrow keys while viewing a web page. Carolyn correctly differentiated what I meant from what I said :) I guess the only workaround is the earlier suggestion to go into reader and selectively paste from the mail composition window. Best regards. Geoff On Dec 17, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about the ability to copy something like an article or collumn of text without having to do select-all and chop later. I think Geoff is saying the method of Vo-Shift-Return to set start and stop selecting wasn't working well for him. I'm not saying VO-Shift-Return works, but Geoff was comparing it with pressing control-a - control-c in MSIE or FireFox, which does not copy something like an article or column of text. My point is Command-A Command-C works exactly the same way in Safari. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How to interact with a folder.
Hi, You have to be in an area with folders files or apps besides the desktop. So from your finder, press command shift H, to go to your user folder. Now press command 3 and voiceover will announce column checked. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok so when in finder, I pressed command 3 but vo didn't say anything. Should it have said column mode? Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Riczrdo: You may ave solved for me the silly issue I've had wondering why some things and folders don't work the way they did. Obviously, I haven't yet mastered the modes thingie very well in terms of knowing what works best. Thanks. Carolyn H On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I use column mode myself. with this, pressing right arrow to open, and left arrow to close a folder, works 100% of the time. From the finder you can press command 3 to display finder contents in column mode. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: You can use the right arrow to open a folder in browser or list view mode of a finder window. They behave a little differently though, in list mode the list gets longer and in browser mode you get moved over a column. Rading a description of browser mode would probably be hhelpful to folks that do a lot of scanning through folders. I will try to explain... In browser mode there are three or four columns available. The left most column is the highest in the set of folders currently visible. If one turns on preview mode for the browser then the right most column will have a Large icon of the folder and a bit more directory / file information (including I believe a start playing button for A/V files. What I reallylike about the browser mode, is that if you hit right arrow to view a folder hitting left arrow will bring you to the enclosing folde inwith the folder you just left selected. So if I am looking at Library/Application Support/Apple and hit a right arrow Apple will be selected and I can hit down arrow to see what the next item in Library/Application Support is. in a finder or window or a file selection dialog box, hitting command-3 will put you in browser mode. Best regards, Jon On 16 December 2010 12:33, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like at level 0 you have to do cmd down arrow but at 1 or 2 you do right arrow, I tried to discover a consistent pattern with this but thus far always at 0 cmd down arrow will open. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Jim: Try using commando to open the folder. Or, also, command-down-arrow will open the folder for you. I believe there's something that gets tweeked and changes this pattern of interaction. Because, there are times when simply right arrowing will open a folder, and there are other times it needs the command-o. HTH Carolyn Haas On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Howdy Folks, Using voice over, I'm trying to bring up a terminal, which is in the applications folder. So far, I'm failing to figure out how to navigate into and around the Applications folder. Can someone let me know how to go about this? Here's what I've tried so far... VO + d to go to the dock VO + right arrow several times until I hear applications folder VO + space to open the folder. At this point, I can see there's a window on the screen, and if I use the arrow keys to move around inside it, I can see that different icons are being highlighted. However, VO does not speak. If I use VO + arrow keys, voice over acts as if I'm still in the doc, even though I've opened this window. All help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
running system access to go oon fusion
When I try to run system access to go on my virtual machine running windows seven under vm fusion, it just sits there after the login and doesn't do anything. It keeps making the chirping sound but doesn't come on. Do I need to increase the ram or have others seen this problem? Jaws works fine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously control+a control+c are identical with their command key Mac counterparts, however in the Mac world one can not be selective in their selection with the shift+arrow keys while viewing a web page. Well, once you've selected all, Shift-Arrow adjusts the selection from the start of the document. Alternatively, if you have no selection and you navigate somewhere in the page, then press Shift-Arrow, it will start selecting from that point. VoiceOver may not always do a perfect job of communicating what's happen though. If it's not working, or if VO is not communicating what's happening, I think that a bug. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: running system access to go oon fusion
You need to be sure to activate Windows. If you don't, it won't log in. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: When I try to run system access to go on my virtual machine running windows seven under vm fusion, it just sits there after the login and doesn't do anything. It keeps making the chirping sound but doesn't come on. Do I need to increase the ram or have others seen this problem? Jaws works fine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Connecting To Wireless
In data Venerdì 17 Dicembre 2010 23.51.22, Ezzy Bueno ezzybu...@gmail.com ha scritto: Any help would be appreciated. And so it it will be for any further detail you can provide. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How to interact with a folder.
Hey Marlaina: Command C is a command to copy what's in the cursor to clipbord, just as control C does on that other operating system. It would be effective, for example if you want to move a book from downloads to the Victor stream or somewhere else. Erik also talked about command-shift-C to select and copy a body of text on the web. HTH Carolyn On Dec 17, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok so when in finder, I pressed command 3 but vo didn't say anything. Should it have said column mode? Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Riczrdo: You may ave solved for me the silly issue I've had wondering why some things and folders don't work the way they did. Obviously, I haven't yet mastered the modes thingie very well in terms of knowing what works best. Thanks. Carolyn H On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I use column mode myself. with this, pressing right arrow to open, and left arrow to close a folder, works 100% of the time. From the finder you can press command 3 to display finder contents in column mode. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: You can use the right arrow to open a folder in browser or list view mode of a finder window. They behave a little differently though, in list mode the list gets longer and in browser mode you get moved over a column. Rading a description of browser mode would probably be hhelpful to folks that do a lot of scanning through folders. I will try to explain... In browser mode there are three or four columns available. The left most column is the highest in the set of folders currently visible. If one turns on preview mode for the browser then the right most column will have a Large icon of the folder and a bit more directory / file information (including I believe a start playing button for A/V files. What I reallylike about the browser mode, is that if you hit right arrow to view a folder hitting left arrow will bring you to the enclosing folde inwith the folder you just left selected. So if I am looking at Library/Application Support/Apple and hit a right arrow Apple will be selected and I can hit down arrow to see what the next item in Library/Application Support is. in a finder or window or a file selection dialog box, hitting command-3 will put you in browser mode. Best regards, Jon On 16 December 2010 12:33, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like at level 0 you have to do cmd down arrow but at 1 or 2 you do right arrow, I tried to discover a consistent pattern with this but thus far always at 0 cmd down arrow will open. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Jim: Try using commando to open the folder. Or, also, command-down-arrow will open the folder for you. I believe there's something that gets tweeked and changes this pattern of interaction. Because, there are times when simply right arrowing will open a folder, and there are other times it needs the command-o. HTH Carolyn Haas On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Howdy Folks, Using voice over, I'm trying to bring up a terminal, which is in the applications folder. So far, I'm failing to figure out how to navigate into and around the Applications folder. Can someone let me know how to go about this? Here's what I've tried so far... VO + d to go to the dock VO + right arrow several times until I hear applications folder VO + space to open the folder. At this point, I can see there's a window on the screen, and if I use the arrow keys to move around inside it, I can see that different icons are being highlighted. However, VO does not speak. If I use VO + arrow keys, voice over acts as if I'm still in the doc, even though I've opened this window. All help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: safari questions
Marlaina: Just a tiny bit of advice from someone who is still just beginning to understand this stuff. Don't try to remember it as you get it. Collect or copy things, and then when you're actively doing something and need the info, it's there waiting for you. I have found it immensely helpful to do this with posts that give lots of good commands and other info and tricks. Take your time and don't try to force this. It will become second nature in time.:) Carolyn H On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Eric, I'll try that but I still have a problem when each item is only a line. Man, I hope I can remember all this safari stuff, :) So control option shift c will copy the text of the item I just heard. Control option return will begin selecting and control option return will stop selecting and then I do a command c. I have to break my mind open here and come up with ways to remember all this stuff, :) Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:02 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Marlena, I see no one has suggested control shift c yet. I'm not sure how I got along without that keystroke on windows. It works like this. You hear voiceover say something, you press control option shift C, you paste where you like. So, If all of the instructions for your recipe are in one item and voiceover speaks that item, press control option shift C and it will copy the entire contents of that item to clipboard for pasting anywhere you desire. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-12-16, at 12:29 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a question regarding itunes and podcasts
Hi Sarah: What you can do is, without interacting with the podcast, press the space bar. This will change the selection status. However, you will not receive feedback from Voice Over (it will not announce whether or not you have selected the podcast or how many you have selected). Hope it helps. El 17/12/2010, a las 08:43, Sarah Alawami escribió: Can't recall if I asked this or not so here goes. When I went to deselect some podcasts for syncing to my phone I noticed that some int eh table were dimmed so I could not uncheck the box when interacting with the group. What can I do to resolve this? and what did I do to break this? Take care all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Hi Geoff, What Benjamin said, seems to be accurate in my case. I went to a web page and pressed shift down arrow a few times, then pressed command C. Then I opened up text edit and pasted and there was the lines of text from the webpage. While I was selecting, Voiceover gave me no speech feedback though. Before, I just assumed nothing was happening because VO wasn't talking. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Benjamin, I'm beginning to have the impression that either we can not communicate or you're using entirely different software than what is being discussed here. I'd suggest that we take this part of the discussion off line so as not to spread bogus info. That or you may want to perform a modicum of testing before sending your posts? Best regards. Geoff On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously control+a control+c are identical with their command key Mac counterparts, however in the Mac world one can not be selective in their selection with the shift+arrow keys while viewing a web page. Well, once you've selected all, Shift-Arrow adjusts the selection from the start of the document. Alternatively, if you have no selection and you navigate somewhere in the page, then press Shift-Arrow, it will start selecting from that point. VoiceOver may not always do a perfect job of communicating what's happen though. If it's not working, or if VO is not communicating what's happening, I think that a bug. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: New I phone owners, was, Re: differences between I pad and I pod touch?
nope, Just get yourself familiar with iTunes. It will make your life a lot easier. Especially if your planning to use iTunes on a windows computer. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote: Lol, we just got I phones today! Mark's n 95 is in the process of dying and that's why we were thinking of upgrading this soon, anyway, but if we could hold out until our upgrade date in Ap[ril, we were going to try that instead to save some money.Anyway, we called our provider just on a whim to see what they could/would offer if we threatened to leave and they offered something we couldn't refuse, so we bit. Is there anything we need to know when we get these things. We have to call customer service so they can activate the sim cards in thephones, but other then that, I think we need to hook them up to the pc to I tunes to activate voiceover, etc, right? Anything else, like calibrating the touch screen, etc? On 16/12/2010 7:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Well Cait, when it comes down to sharing, I'd go for the iPod because as much as I love my wife, I sure as hell won't share my toys with her. :) Yep, when I got the iPhone, she had to have one as well or I would never have heard the end of it. Now I said I was considering an iPad and so, she is considering one as well. Maybe the real problem is not sharing, but finding the time to share. :) Good luck with whatever device you choose. Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote: Thanks, Scott. Mark is trying to decide between the two, but he's totally new to the world of Mac and also to touch screen environments. I thought the pad would just be easier and might be more functional then the touch... But where we live, we can get two of the touches for one of the pads, which has some appeal as we wouldn't have to share. Cait On 16/12/2010 2:55 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Caitlyn, Some argue the iPad is a larger iPod; however, that is incorrect. There are of course many similarities, but the interface is different. THe additional screen size does allow for a different navigation experience for both blind and sighted individuals. SOme would say the web browsing is much easier and provides a greater idea of the page layout. I am sure those who have both devices will comment more extensively, but I am giving the iPad some serious consideration for my family. I can see using the iPad to serve a variety of needs and having a central or couple of central machines for syncing and purposes that are not suited to the iPad. I already have an iPhone and find this to be incredibly useful; however, I feel the iPad does meet a need and certainly I can see it taking the place of a notebook while traveling when a full-blown machine is not required. Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote: Hi, My husband wants me to ask what the differences are between the I pad and the I pod touch. As far as I can see, the only difference is the size. Is this so, and if not, what are the others? Thanks, Caitlyn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: That or you may want to perform a modicum of testing before sending your posts? I _did_ do a modicum of testing. Specifically, I fired up Safari and VoiceOver and tested out the effect of shift-arrow on an existing select all and to start a new selection from a navigation point within a document. Tried with this article for what it's worth: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/17/high-court-overturns-immigration-cap Navigating to the start of the article, you can use shift-arrow to begin the selection and expand it until you've selected the entire article text, then Command-C to copy it. This is with VoiceOver configured with Keyboard focus follows VoiceOver cursor, VoiceOver cursor follows keyboard focus, Insertion point follows VoiceOver cursor, VoiceOver cursor follows insertion point, and Navigate webpages by DOM order. If you're experiencing radically different results, it may well reflect differing configuration. As each line or character is highlighted, VoiceOver reads the text then highlighted. If you contract the selection, it reads the unselected text then unhighlighted. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Nokia Expands Patent Claims Against Apple With New European Lawsuits
Unfortunately, haterade is free and widely available. I always tell myself though if the haters are after you that means you're doing it right! On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Huh, now that is a good one-haterade. So, that explains a lot and I guess I can purchase some of that at my local law office? :) Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Scott Granados wrote: It's called Haterade! THe better you do the more haters there are. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Nokia Expands Patent Claims Against Apple With New European Lawsuits
Last time I checked, lawyers spend money in their communities. It's easy to pick on lawyers and I do this as well but I also have a good one who has saved my bacon more than once so you know don't generalize. I think your point is well taken though. On Dec 16, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: such as: hiring people to create new products or spending money and resources toward a greater good and less toward lawyers trying to make money as patent trolls. I can think of several ways that could make my life (and that of every other blind person) a lot easier. -Eric On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Like? On Dec 16, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: I really wish they'd cut out all the nonsense. we've got better things we could be doing. -Eric On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Will these suits if they go through make touch screens harder to use? read more: http://goo.gl/yZ0TQ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Nokia Expands Patent Claims Against Apple With New European Lawsuits
Don't worry, the legal actions are nothing compared to what we'll do to innovation ourselves as a community. Lawyers are the leased of the problems. On Dec 16, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: except that the lawsuits will only serve to chill any innovation and possibly delay or deny technology to those of us in need of it more than anyone else. -Eric On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Well I guess we'll see wht happens. I doubt anything will come of it though. Take care and have a happy holidays wiht your apple products! S On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Scott Granados wrote: It's called Haterade! THe better you do the more haters there are. On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Eric, Apple is probably one of the companies facing more law suits than any other. Of course if Apple was not having the success and the available cash, they would not be facing all these suits. The game is sue everyone and hey even some companies have dropped developing products just to spend all of their time suing other companies. I agree that if all of these companies spent more money on being productive and innovative, and less on suing everyone, just imagine the products that could be brought to market. Of course think of the jobs that could be created. You know of course who is really making the money right? Yep, lawyers that who is making the money. Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: I really wish they'd cut out all the nonsense. we've got better things we could be doing. -Eric On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Will these suits if they go through make touch screens harder to use? read more: http://goo.gl/yZ0TQ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Connecting To Wireless
Sometimes, you either need to restart the computer or turn the Airport Wireless off then on again. Later... On 2010-12-17, at 3:51 PM, Ezzy Bueno wrote: Hi all, I'm not ture what I'm doing wrong. I'm trying to connect to my wireless network at home, which does not have a password. Yet my computer is unable to connect. I am able to connect on my BrailleNote just fine. Any help would be appreciated. Ezzy Bueno Sent from my BrailleNote Apex (512) 553-8553 Skype: sillyezFacebook: www.facebook.com/sillyez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionariegroup. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: changed iTunes server but purchases don't go there
Hi Marlaina, I'm going to have to put this one on hold for a couple weeks as I'm off to Maui tomorrow. I'll work with you when I return. Later... On 2010-12-17, at 2:48 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. It's all different: 2 computers, 2 accounts, 2 different media folders on the NetGear. I can copy things to NetGear I suppose, but I want them off my Air completely because I have a terrabite server for music and the like, and I don't want my air holding all that stuff. Sorry to be so dense about all this. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, Now, when you say two different libraries and two different accounts, does that also mean that you both have different media folders on your NetGear server? If you are sharing the same folder to access your media, then there's going to be some issues. If you each have totally different iTunes media folders, then I believe that this can be worked out. The reason you'll have problems when you are attempting to share the same iTunes media folder, is due to the fact that itunes is more than just a media player, it is a media organizer, media store and interactive media browser. When media is imported into itunes, it's put into a library database, so the media is placed in a specific location and the database knows where it was put and how to access it when needed. If media is put into the media location without using the import functionality, then iTunes really has no idea that it exists. So, if you are sharing the same media folder, you or your husband could add media to your own library but the other would not see it unless you import it yourself. There are ways of sharing iTunes media using the Home Sharing or shared Library methods but I don't want to get into them unless we can really determine if that is your best option. Later... On 2010-12-16, at 4:58 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. Gary and I have different libraries and different accounts. I still can't figure out where my purchases are going, but I'm not giving up! Marlaina On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, Any luck with purchasing albums. One issue you may run into when more than one user is accessing the same iTunes Library is when you or he add music or media. iTunes creates a database when managing your Library so if you add music, it will appear in your Library but not in his unless you rebuild things each time. This will affect you in the same manner if your husband does the adding. There are probably ways around this, but I think that you'd both have to have Macs. I can help with that off-list if that is your case. Thanks. On 2010-12-05, at 10:51 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. Gary uses the same file server and location to play music, but not sure where his library is. You are great, and thanks for all the help. I willl swear at this, I mean play at this tomorrow, :) Marlaina On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Marlaina, Is the media on your NetGear server used by another computer as well? If so, is it accessed using iTunes as well? If this media is just used for the iTunes on your Mac, I'd do the following instead: 1. Start up iTunes with the Option key down. This will force iTunes to ask for where your iTunes Library is or to Create a new one. 2. Press cmd-c to bring up the connected devices. 3. Select the NetGear server. 4. Press Create New to create a new iTunes Library folder. Make sure to name it iTunes. 5. Drop your music/media folder into that new iTunes folder. This folder should be named iTunes Media. 6. Make sure in your Preferences that the path to the iTunes Media folder is correct under the Advanced pane. 7. If your library isn't populated, just choose Add to Library under the File menu and add this media folder. What this does for you is make sure that all the iTunes Library and media is under one roof. Then you shouldn't have any issues with purchased music going into the wrong place. You could also rename the iTunes folder in your Home directory to maybe iTunes 2 just so it's not accidentally chosen some time. Let me know how it goes. Later... On 2010-12-05, at 9:23 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Yes Tim; they are in my iTunes music folder; I see them in Finder. On Dec 5, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, That's odd. Where did they end up when they were downloaded? Do you see them anywhere? Later... On 2010-12-05, at 3:50 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok, here I am again with yet another ask. Per excellent directions from this list, I have indeed changed my iTunes server to my music file server. that all works well; it repopulates each time I open it and that is fine. But, (and isn't there always a darned but), when I by albums on iTunes (I've bought
Re: How to interact with a folder.
Marlaina, You need to have a window open first prior to pressing the cmd-3. VO will Later... On 2010-12-17, at 2:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok so when in finder, I pressed command 3 but vo didn't say anything. you choose. Later... Should it have said column mode? Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Riczrdo: You may ave solved for me the silly issue I've had wondering why some things and folders don't work the way they did. List view checked or Column view checked or whatever view Obviously, I haven't yet mastered the modes thingie very well in terms of knowing what works best. say Thanks. Carolyn H On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I use column mode myself. with this, pressing right arrow to open, and left arrow to close a folder, works 100% of the time. From the finder you can press command 3 to display finder contents in column mode. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: You can use the right arrow to open a folder in browser or list view mode of a finder window. They behave a little differently though, in list mode the list gets longer and in browser mode you get moved over a column. Rading a description of browser mode would probably be hhelpful to folks that do a lot of scanning through folders. I will try to explain... In browser mode there are three or four columns available. The left most column is the highest in the set of folders currently visible. If one turns on preview mode for the browser then the right most column will have a Large icon of the folder and a bit more directory / file information (including I believe a start playing button for A/V files. What I reallylike about the browser mode, is that if you hit right arrow to view a folder hitting left arrow will bring you to the enclosing folde inwith the folder you just left selected. So if I am looking at Library/Application Support/Apple and hit a right arrow Apple will be selected and I can hit down arrow to see what the next item in Library/Application Support is. in a finder or window or a file selection dialog box, hitting command-3 will put you in browser mode. Best regards, Jon On 16 December 2010 12:33, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like at level 0 you have to do cmd down arrow but at 1 or 2 you do right arrow, I tried to discover a consistent pattern with this but thus far always at 0 cmd down arrow will open. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Jim: Try using commando to open the folder. Or, also, command-down-arrow will open the folder for you. I believe there's something that gets tweeked and changes this pattern of interaction. Because, there are times when simply right arrowing will open a folder, and there are other times it needs the command-o. HTH Carolyn Haas On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Howdy Folks, Using voice over, I'm trying to bring up a terminal, which is in the applications folder. So far, I'm failing to figure out how to navigate into and around the Applications folder. Can someone let me know how to go about this? Here's what I've tried so far... VO + d to go to the dock VO + right arrow several times until I hear applications folder VO + space to open the folder. At this point, I can see there's a window on the screen, and if I use the arrow keys to move around inside it, I can see that different icons are being highlighted. However, VO does not speak. If I use VO + arrow keys, voice over acts as if I'm still in the doc, even though I've opened this window. All help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received
Re: Nokia Expands Patent Claims Against Apple With New European Lawsuits
given that, it may appear that nokia might be on the losing end of this argument. I sent a brief note off to nokia telling them that their actions are jeopardizing accessibility for millions of visually impaired users of mobile phone technology. all I have seen back thus far has been a form letter response. -Eric On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Actually, Apple had touch and pen screens way before the IPhone. Early in the 90S or late in the 80s Apple had the Newton. Far before that, around 1983 or so Apple had the Lisa which was a full sized computer with touch display. Thanks Scott On Dec 16, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Andy Lane wrote: Hey everyone, I don't have time to read the article right now but I will later, I have a few thoughts about this situation though, Nokia have been developing mobile equipment for the last 16 or so years, apple have been in the business for 3. it seems to me that if Apple are such newcomers they would be hard pressed to make a platform without building on existing technologies already pioneered by apple. Let us not forget that Nokia have dominated innovation on mobile technologies for their entire existence. Everything you see in the iPhone came first to Nokia other than a few interaction methods and the app store. The difference is that Apple make things nice to use and nokia make it feel like a weekend project. Obviously apple have voiceover too which is enormous for us however purely from a technological point of view I struggle to understand how apple can make a phone which clearly uses existing technologies and therefore patents without paying royalties. I agree that it is wrong to sue people over money etc but maybe nokia and others have ligitimate complaints. The only thing that is certain though is the lawyers get richer than anyone else out of this. I'm just saying if apple have had to borrow on progress made by Nokia, samsung, Sony/ericson etc. maybe they should pay for what they have benefitted from. Sarah Alawami wrote: Will these suits if they go through make touch screens harder to use? read more: http://goo.gl/yZ0TQ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
help with finding a program to do video conversion on the mac
Hello list. I'm wanting to do some major video conversion and here is what I need. 1. a program that lets me convert video files mainly .avi files in to audio. I've been doing this with goldwave on a windows virtual machine on my mac but would like a mac program that could do similar. I've tried amadeus pro but it doesn't do that. 2. I need a program to convert .avi files in to .m4v or .mov so I can play them on an Apple TV I'm thinking of purchasing. If possible, it'd be nice if any programs mentioned had batch processing capabilities. Thanks for any help. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: changed iTunes server but purchases don't go there
Hi Marlaina! I've cleared out some of the earlier posts! I do not know if this is applicable, but I've got 2 users and 1 Mac and we share 1 library! I had to put my Itunes media folder into hd/users/shared in the hd on the Mac and the same through my better half's user account! Then changed some permissions to allow it to work! So I wonder if you have to set up something similar! As for where your purchases are going! Have you looked in Itunes in the hd! That's where music is normally stored! hth Colin! On 18 Dec 2010, at 00:17, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, I'm going to have to put this one on hold for a couple weeks as I'm off to Maui tomorrow. I'll work with you when I return. Later... On 2010-12-17, at 2:48 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. It's all different: 2 computers, 2 accounts, 2 different media folders on the NetGear. I can copy things to NetGear I suppose, but I want them off my Air completely because I have a terabyte server for music and the like, and I don't want my air holding all that stuff. Sorry to be so dense about all this. Marlaina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Just One More Question About Office for the Mac
For office apps, I would use iwork, and open office works decently as well On Dec 16, 2010, at 8:23 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Great. That is what I wanted to know. I will not bother to install it on my Mac. Mark On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Apparently office on the mac is totally inaccessible, I think some of the menus work, but the content area is completely inaccessible, none of the document or spreadsheet, etc. can be read. On Dec 16, 2010, at 10:47 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hi Everyone, I just want to confirm that Office 2011 is not accessible with VoiceOver. Are we saying that nothing works or that some things work but not others. Has anyone actually tried using it? The reason I ask is because I can install the current release version but do not want to do so if it's just going to clutter up the pipes on my MacBook Pro. I don't feel like wrestling with yet another version of Office if I don't have to. The only real reason I, personally, would like to use Office is to hopefully finally be able to use Outlook Tasks again. I have tried using my Mobile Me To-Do list but hey do not seem to sync with either my iPhone or Outlook. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. In short, I would like to have my Outlook Tasks be synced into/with MobileMe To Do tasks and to be able to see those to do items on my iPhone. In case you haven't guessed, I use MobileMe as my central source for syncing all my computers and SmartPhones Windows-based and I O S. Thank you in advance. Most Sincerely, Markt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Ok I'm sorry, but what is group mode, how do I switch to it and how do I know when I want to switch to it? Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 2:11 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi, The control option shift c method is a pain on that particular webpage. I made it a bit less daunting by switching to group mode. That grouped some of the smaller items for me so that I could sweep them up faster and it also made it possible for me to get just the article without the tedious google ads. Admittedly not perfect, but a marginal improvement. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-12-17, at 5:04 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Eric, I'll try that but I still have a problem when each item is only a line. Man, I hope I can remember all this safari stuff, :) So control option shift c will copy the text of the item I just heard. Control option return will begin selecting and control option return will stop selecting and then I do a command c. I have to break my mind open here and come up with ways to remember all this stuff, :) Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:02 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Marlena, I see no one has suggested control shift c yet. I'm not sure how I got along without that keystroke on windows. It works like this. You hear voiceover say something, you press control option shift C, you paste where you like. So, If all of the instructions for your recipe are in one item and voiceover speaks that item, press control option shift C and it will copy the entire contents of that item to clipboard for pasting anywhere you desire. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-12-16, at 12:29 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: safari questions
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I'm sorry, but what is group mode, how do I switch to it and how do I know when I want to switch to it? See http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1134.html#mchlp2711 -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
If the text you want is in several items, admitedly, you will need to follow the procedure for each item, in that case, your method may actually be faster. On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok Mike, I just went to http://www.vegancoach.com/how-to-cook-a-turnip.html and tried to follow your instructions. Each line is showing up as its own item, so when I interact with it, I still only get a line at a time. Also, I could not move by character, only by word. I did find that by turning on the reader and selecting to email the page, then navigating to the text of the email, I could move freely and copy whatever I wanted. but, that's a pain to have to do all the time. So, am I doing something wrong here? Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: The answer to bot of these is to interact with the item. You can then read it word by word, or character by character. To select text, interact with the item, then press control option enter at the beginning of what you want to copy. Now move to the end of the text to copy and press control option enter again, then press command c to copy the text. On Dec 16, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: running system access to go oon fusion
You might try turning the user account control off, that can cause lots of problems, I see it every day in my tech support job. On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: When I try to run system access to go on my virtual machine running windows seven under vm fusion, it just sits there after the login and doesn't do anything. It keeps making the chirping sound but doesn't come on. Do I need to increase the ram or have others seen this problem? Jaws works fine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How to interact with a folder.
Ah, I did that and it worked. Wow, I knew about command shift h but forgot I knew it. Using that and command shift k, I can get easily from my Netgear and my mac files. I wish there were some really good tutorials available that would help drill some of this stuff into newbies or oldbies like me. When I use to teach windows, I'd use little sayings with my students like press alt f4 to shut the door; this helped them remember. I can't come up with any such little cutesy things for the Mac OS. It's hard to remember all these things if you don't use them on a regular basis. But, obviously many of you have done just that. Any tips and tricks to start remembering all this stuff would be really appreciated. But, command shift h is one I'll never forget again! Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, You have to be in an area with folders files or apps besides the desktop. So from your finder, press command shift H, to go to your user folder. Now press command 3 and voiceover will announce column checked. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok so when in finder, I pressed command 3 but vo didn't say anything. Should it have said column mode? Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Riczrdo: You may ave solved for me the silly issue I've had wondering why some things and folders don't work the way they did. Obviously, I haven't yet mastered the modes thingie very well in terms of knowing what works best. Thanks. Carolyn H On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I use column mode myself. with this, pressing right arrow to open, and left arrow to close a folder, works 100% of the time. From the finder you can press command 3 to display finder contents in column mode. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: You can use the right arrow to open a folder in browser or list view mode of a finder window. They behave a little differently though, in list mode the list gets longer and in browser mode you get moved over a column. Rading a description of browser mode would probably be hhelpful to folks that do a lot of scanning through folders. I will try to explain... In browser mode there are three or four columns available. The left most column is the highest in the set of folders currently visible. If one turns on preview mode for the browser then the right most column will have a Large icon of the folder and a bit more directory / file information (including I believe a start playing button for A/V files. What I reallylike about the browser mode, is that if you hit right arrow to view a folder hitting left arrow will bring you to the enclosing folde inwith the folder you just left selected. So if I am looking at Library/Application Support/Apple and hit a right arrow Apple will be selected and I can hit down arrow to see what the next item in Library/Application Support is. in a finder or window or a file selection dialog box, hitting command-3 will put you in browser mode. Best regards, Jon On 16 December 2010 12:33, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like at level 0 you have to do cmd down arrow but at 1 or 2 you do right arrow, I tried to discover a consistent pattern with this but thus far always at 0 cmd down arrow will open. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Jim: Try using commando to open the folder. Or, also, command-down-arrow will open the folder for you. I believe there's something that gets tweeked and changes this pattern of interaction. Because, there are times when simply right arrowing will open a folder, and there are other times it needs the command-o. HTH Carolyn Haas On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Howdy Folks, Using voice over, I'm trying to bring up a terminal, which is in the applications folder. So far, I'm failing to figure out how to navigate into and around the Applications folder. Can someone let me know how to go about this? Here's what I've tried so far... VO + d to go to the dock VO + right arrow several times until I hear applications folder VO + space to open the folder. At this point, I can see there's a window on the screen, and if I use the arrow keys to move around inside it, I can see that different icons are being highlighted. However, VO does not speak. If I use VO + arrow keys, voice over acts as if I'm still in the doc, even though I've opened this window. All help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group,
Re: How to interact with a folder.
Carolyn, I sometimes find that command c doesn't work for copying files; I have to pull up the shortcut menu and go to copy. That works consistently. It's a pain and I don't get why command c doesn't do what it should when it should. And, I don't understand why I can't copy things if I open documents or downloads from the doc. Confused as ever, Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Hey Marlaina: Command C is a command to copy what's in the cursor to clipbord, just as control C does on that other operating system. It would be effective, for example if you want to move a book from downloads to the Victor stream or somewhere else. Erik also talked about command-shift-C to select and copy a body of text on the web. HTH Carolyn On Dec 17, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok so when in finder, I pressed command 3 but vo didn't say anything. Should it have said column mode? Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Riczrdo: You may ave solved for me the silly issue I've had wondering why some things and folders don't work the way they did. Obviously, I haven't yet mastered the modes thingie very well in terms of knowing what works best. Thanks. Carolyn H On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I use column mode myself. with this, pressing right arrow to open, and left arrow to close a folder, works 100% of the time. From the finder you can press command 3 to display finder contents in column mode. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: You can use the right arrow to open a folder in browser or list view mode of a finder window. They behave a little differently though, in list mode the list gets longer and in browser mode you get moved over a column. Rading a description of browser mode would probably be hhelpful to folks that do a lot of scanning through folders. I will try to explain... In browser mode there are three or four columns available. The left most column is the highest in the set of folders currently visible. If one turns on preview mode for the browser then the right most column will have a Large icon of the folder and a bit more directory / file information (including I believe a start playing button for A/V files. What I reallylike about the browser mode, is that if you hit right arrow to view a folder hitting left arrow will bring you to the enclosing folde inwith the folder you just left selected. So if I am looking at Library/Application Support/Apple and hit a right arrow Apple will be selected and I can hit down arrow to see what the next item in Library/Application Support is. in a finder or window or a file selection dialog box, hitting command-3 will put you in browser mode. Best regards, Jon On 16 December 2010 12:33, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like at level 0 you have to do cmd down arrow but at 1 or 2 you do right arrow, I tried to discover a consistent pattern with this but thus far always at 0 cmd down arrow will open. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Jim: Try using commando to open the folder. Or, also, command-down-arrow will open the folder for you. I believe there's something that gets tweeked and changes this pattern of interaction. Because, there are times when simply right arrowing will open a folder, and there are other times it needs the command-o. HTH Carolyn Haas On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: Howdy Folks, Using voice over, I'm trying to bring up a terminal, which is in the applications folder. So far, I'm failing to figure out how to navigate into and around the Applications folder. Can someone let me know how to go about this? Here's what I've tried so far... VO + d to go to the dock VO + right arrow several times until I hear applications folder VO + space to open the folder. At this point, I can see there's a window on the screen, and if I use the arrow keys to move around inside it, I can see that different icons are being highlighted. However, VO does not speak. If I use VO + arrow keys, voice over acts as if I'm still in the doc, even though I've opened this window. All help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: safari questions
Thabnks Carolyn. I do have a file called voiceover hints for just that purpose. Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote: Marlaina: Just a tiny bit of advice from someone who is still just beginning to understand this stuff. Don't try to remember it as you get it. Collect or copy things, and then when you're actively doing something and need the info, it's there waiting for you. I have found it immensely helpful to do this with posts that give lots of good commands and other info and tricks. Take your time and don't try to force this. It will become second nature in time.:) Carolyn H On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Eric, I'll try that but I still have a problem when each item is only a line. Man, I hope I can remember all this safari stuff, :) So control option shift c will copy the text of the item I just heard. Control option return will begin selecting and control option return will stop selecting and then I do a command c. I have to break my mind open here and come up with ways to remember all this stuff, :) Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:02 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Marlena, I see no one has suggested control shift c yet. I'm not sure how I got along without that keystroke on windows. It works like this. You hear voiceover say something, you press control option shift C, you paste where you like. So, If all of the instructions for your recipe are in one item and voiceover speaks that item, press control option shift C and it will copy the entire contents of that item to clipboard for pasting anywhere you desire. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-12-16, at 12:29 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Mike or others, One problem I have with surfing the web on the Mac is that I can't copy and paste consistently from websites. I mean that since it moves by item and not by line, I have a hard time copying the text of an item. I also wonder if there is an easier way to read the text within an item rather than navigating to it and doing vo a. Just another of my many wonders as I wander through the land of Mac. Marlaina On Dec 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: Actually, once you get used to it, it works much better than the windows screen readers. It moves by item rather than by line, I find surfing the web on the mac to be a very enjoyable experience. On Dec 14, 2010, at 9:24 PM, denise avant wrote: hello all, after being an internet explorer user for years and years, i am trying to learn to use safari. what question i have is what the command is for jumping to text on a page once you have landed on the page you need. i'm not finding safari with vo as intuitive as ie is with windoweyes or jfw unfortunately. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: safari questions
So if VO isn't talking, but the shift down arrow is selecting, isn't that something about which we should write to Apple? Gary, my sighted husband, told me that shift down arrow works for him just as it does in windows. Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Geoff, What Benjamin said, seems to be accurate in my case. I went to a web page and pressed shift down arrow a few times, then pressed command C. Then I opened up text edit and pasted and there was the lines of text from the webpage. While I was selecting, Voiceover gave me no speech feedback though. Before, I just assumed nothing was happening because VO wasn't talking. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Benjamin, I'm beginning to have the impression that either we can not communicate or you're using entirely different software than what is being discussed here. I'd suggest that we take this part of the discussion off line so as not to spread bogus info. That or you may want to perform a modicum of testing before sending your posts? Best regards. Geoff On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously control+a control+c are identical with their command key Mac counterparts, however in the Mac world one can not be selective in their selection with the shift+arrow keys while viewing a web page. Well, once you've selected all, Shift-Arrow adjusts the selection from the start of the document. Alternatively, if you have no selection and you navigate somewhere in the page, then press Shift-Arrow, it will start selecting from that point. VoiceOver may not always do a perfect job of communicating what's happen though. If it's not working, or if VO is not communicating what's happening, I think that a bug. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: changed iTunes server but purchases don't go there
Hi Tim. Wow, Maui! Ya know, it's a rough life but somebody's gotta live it, right? :) Have a wonderful trip and eat some macadamia nuts for me! Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, I'm going to have to put this one on hold for a couple weeks as I'm off to Maui tomorrow. I'll work with you when I return. Later... On 2010-12-17, at 2:48 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. It's all different: 2 computers, 2 accounts, 2 different media folders on the NetGear. I can copy things to NetGear I suppose, but I want them off my Air completely because I have a terrabite server for music and the like, and I don't want my air holding all that stuff. Sorry to be so dense about all this. Marlaina On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, Now, when you say two different libraries and two different accounts, does that also mean that you both have different media folders on your NetGear server? If you are sharing the same folder to access your media, then there's going to be some issues. If you each have totally different iTunes media folders, then I believe that this can be worked out. The reason you'll have problems when you are attempting to share the same iTunes media folder, is due to the fact that itunes is more than just a media player, it is a media organizer, media store and interactive media browser. When media is imported into itunes, it's put into a library database, so the media is placed in a specific location and the database knows where it was put and how to access it when needed. If media is put into the media location without using the import functionality, then iTunes really has no idea that it exists. So, if you are sharing the same media folder, you or your husband could add media to your own library but the other would not see it unless you import it yourself. There are ways of sharing iTunes media using the Home Sharing or shared Library methods but I don't want to get into them unless we can really determine if that is your best option. Later... On 2010-12-16, at 4:58 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. Gary and I have different libraries and different accounts. I still can't figure out where my purchases are going, but I'm not giving up! Marlaina On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, Any luck with purchasing albums. One issue you may run into when more than one user is accessing the same iTunes Library is when you or he add music or media. iTunes creates a database when managing your Library so if you add music, it will appear in your Library but not in his unless you rebuild things each time. This will affect you in the same manner if your husband does the adding. There are probably ways around this, but I think that you'd both have to have Macs. I can help with that off-list if that is your case. Thanks. On 2010-12-05, at 10:51 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. Gary uses the same file server and location to play music, but not sure where his library is. You are great, and thanks for all the help. I willl swear at this, I mean play at this tomorrow, :) Marlaina On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Marlaina, Is the media on your NetGear server used by another computer as well? If so, is it accessed using iTunes as well? If this media is just used for the iTunes on your Mac, I'd do the following instead: 1. Start up iTunes with the Option key down. This will force iTunes to ask for where your iTunes Library is or to Create a new one. 2. Press cmd-c to bring up the connected devices. 3. Select the NetGear server. 4. Press Create New to create a new iTunes Library folder. Make sure to name it iTunes. 5. Drop your music/media folder into that new iTunes folder. This folder should be named iTunes Media. 6. Make sure in your Preferences that the path to the iTunes Media folder is correct under the Advanced pane. 7. If your library isn't populated, just choose Add to Library under the File menu and add this media folder. What this does for you is make sure that all the iTunes Library and media is under one roof. Then you shouldn't have any issues with purchased music going into the wrong place. You could also rename the iTunes folder in your Home directory to maybe iTunes 2 just so it's not accidentally chosen some time. Let me know how it goes. Later... On 2010-12-05, at 9:23 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Yes Tim; they are in my iTunes music folder; I see them in Finder. On Dec 5, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, That's odd. Where did they end up when they were downloaded? Do you see them anywhere? Later... On 2010-12-05, at 3:50 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Ok, here I am again with yet another ask. Per excellent directions from this list, I have indeed changed
Re: safari questions
Interesting, Ricardo. Today in my one to one, we were dis ussing the fact the VO often doesn't give any indication that it's doing what you've asked it to do. I know in that other unmentionable system, it's an option one can turn on and off by the degree of verbosity. But I don't recall whether I was getting complete feedback when the mbp was set to high verbosity. Something else to explore.:) Thanks Carolyn Haas On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Geoff, What Benjamin said, seems to be accurate in my case. I went to a web page and pressed shift down arrow a few times, then pressed command C. Then I opened up text edit and pasted and there was the lines of text from the webpage. While I was selecting, Voiceover gave me no speech feedback though. Before, I just assumed nothing was happening because VO wasn't talking. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Benjamin, I'm beginning to have the impression that either we can not communicate or you're using entirely different software than what is being discussed here. I'd suggest that we take this part of the discussion off line so as not to spread bogus info. That or you may want to perform a modicum of testing before sending your posts? Best regards. Geoff On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously control+a control+c are identical with their command key Mac counterparts, however in the Mac world one can not be selective in their selection with the shift+arrow keys while viewing a web page. Well, once you've selected all, Shift-Arrow adjusts the selection from the start of the document. Alternatively, if you have no selection and you navigate somewhere in the page, then press Shift-Arrow, it will start selecting from that point. VoiceOver may not always do a perfect job of communicating what's happen though. If it's not working, or if VO is not communicating what's happening, I think that a bug. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: changed iTunes server but purchases don't go there
Hi Colin. Gary and I have two separate machines and our own separate libraries. Yes, my music is going to the hd, but I wanted it to go to my NetGear. However, I think I need to just copy stuff over and put my big girl pants on and shut up and deal with the fact that it's all going to go to the hd, and then it's on me to copy it. Thing I don't know is if I delete it off the hd, which is what I want to do, whether or not iTunes will see it; iTunes knows that my music is on the NetGear, so I'm hoping it will work. I guess we'll see, :) Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Colin M wrote: Hi Marlaina! I've cleared out some of the earlier posts! I do not know if this is applicable, but I've got 2 users and 1 Mac and we share 1 library! I had to put my Itunes media folder into hd/users/shared in the hd on the Mac and the same through my better half's user account! Then changed some permissions to allow it to work! So I wonder if you have to set up something similar! As for where your purchases are going! Have you looked in Itunes in the hd! That's where music is normally stored! hth Colin! On 18 Dec 2010, at 00:17, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Marlaina, I'm going to have to put this one on hold for a couple weeks as I'm off to Maui tomorrow. I'll work with you when I return. Later... On 2010-12-17, at 2:48 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote: Hi Tim. It's all different: 2 computers, 2 accounts, 2 different media folders on the NetGear. I can copy things to NetGear I suppose, but I want them off my Air completely because I have a terabyte server for music and the like, and I don't want my air holding all that stuff. Sorry to be so dense about all this. Marlaina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
I'll give that a shot Benjamin, but I have a hard time with apple's documentation and haven't learned much that way. But, I'll try. Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I'm sorry, but what is group mode, how do I switch to it and how do I know when I want to switch to it? See http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1134.html#mchlp2711 -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Ok, I went to the chapter and once again, Apple's documentation is messy for me. it talks clearly about doing vo hh and typing dom, but then it goes on to suggest that I assign a key for keyboard commander, but doesn't tell me how to do that or give me a link to where that is found. I guess I'm still not clear on how to switch between dom and group. Marlaina On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I'm sorry, but what is group mode, how do I switch to it and how do I know when I want to switch to it? See http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1134.html#mchlp2711 -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
2 questions, growl and timezone change
Hi, I have two questions. First, how can I see growl notifications? Dropbox is giving me ltos of those and I thoguth I read someone here seeing them so I'm probably missing something. Second... how do i change the timezone? It shows a world map but obviously I can't click anything on it because voice over thinks it's empty. Thoughts? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Hint: editing cells in Numbers
Hi All, here's just a little hint how to edit cells in Numbers most efficiently without routing the mouse to anywhere or so: When you are in a cell you can go in edit mode just by pressing Alt + Enter. To end this mode press Enter again or just move with VO + arrow keys. Hope that helps Jürgen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
Hi Benjamin, Thanks for providing the text case. My configuration matches yours exactly (I have 10.6.5 installed) but my results vary from what you and Ricardo report in both Safari and the latest Webkit version. When I launch the URL referenced below and navigate to the level 1 heading containing text: Immigration cap overturned by high court judges, I hear nothing as I press the shift-arrow keys. If I act on faith and press command-c, my clipboard contents is not altered,. Sorry for the implication that you did not test before posting, but our results varied so radically, and your initial greeting of say what struck me as kind of hostel and perhaps caused me to become overly emotive. I'd sure like to know what configuration is affecting this. Best regards. Geoff On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: That or you may want to perform a modicum of testing before sending your posts? I _did_ do a modicum of testing. Specifically, I fired up Safari and VoiceOver and tested out the effect of shift-arrow on an existing select all and to start a new selection from a navigation point within a document. Tried with this article for what it's worth: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/17/high-court-overturns-immigration-cap Navigating to the start of the article, you can use shift-arrow to begin the selection and expand it until you've selected the entire article text, then Command-C to copy it. This is with VoiceOver configured with Keyboard focus follows VoiceOver cursor, VoiceOver cursor follows keyboard focus, Insertion point follows VoiceOver cursor, VoiceOver cursor follows insertion point, and Navigate webpages by DOM order. If you're experiencing radically different results, it may well reflect differing configuration. As each line or character is highlighted, VoiceOver reads the text then highlighted. If you contract the selection, it reads the unselected text then unhighlighted. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari questions
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Marlaina Lieberg 1guide...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I went to the chapter and once again, Apple's documentation is messy for me. it talks clearly about doing vo hh and typing dom, but then it goes on to suggest that I assign a key for keyboard commander, but doesn't tell me how to do that or give me a link to where that is found. Yeah, it would have been helpful if they'd given a link to the relevant part of the documentation. Here's the link they should have given to the Assigning VoiceOver commands to numpad and keyboard keys part of the manual: http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1136.html#vo14096 -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
