Re: speakable objects… very cool!
Hi Alex and Others, Okay, I went to System Preferences, Accessibility and found the Speakable Items option. I checked the 6 options that were available. I then managed to access the Listening Key and tried a variety of key combinations, but settled on F10 since others seem to be having success with that key. Now, how do I get these commands to work? I restarted my system, and when pressing F10, I hear an error tone I thought I could say what time is it anywhere when the system is running? What am I missing? Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing is not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of a button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a send button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or whatever key I chose for speakable objects) and say send and it would do it. You can find this in the dictation and speech item of system preferences. Go there, select speakable objects from the table, vo-right to the three tabs, activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here you can use the checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items in the second. I just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off whatever you like. By the way, the listening key tab is where you can change your key. Let us know if you have problems. On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote: I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it worked for me once. I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to check off something about in front windows or applications and saw this once, I can't, however, find this again. Can anybody direct me? Thx, Jeff On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi guys Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to be having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also if you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the FN key? Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, This is great info! I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been hacking around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload. I went into System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned on. But I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of. Can you help? Thanks. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now it is working. Here's what I discovered so far: switch to [app name] will switch you to an app, provided that app is already running. open [app name] will open an app not already open, including third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with. what time is it will speak the current time. what's today's date will speak the date quit this application will close the currently focused app; hide this application does the same but minimizes it There are more commands which you can get to by saying show me what to say. Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. VO-right to the collapsed item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If nothing else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the preferences dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, which lets you speak the name of a control in the currently focused window to be activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: vo keys not responding consistently
Well, I've noticed it specially in buttons, the rest of the controls seem to work much better. That may help them find the problem. 2012/7/31, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com: Hi, Wrote to apple about inconsistent response of vo and space in ml and they asked me to give instances of occurrence. Here is what I sent, but please feel free to expand for them or for me so that I might give feedback as clearly as possible. Here's part of the exchange. Best, Ioana Begin forwarded message: From: Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com Date: July 31, 2012 12:47:36 AM EDT To: accessibil...@apple.com accessibil...@apple.com Subject: Re: vo keys not responding consistently Hi, Thanks for the quick response! Inn dialogue boxes or menus, basically wherever you need vo and space. It mostly works on second try, like I said, it appears to me and others to be a matter of keeping the keys pressed long enough or the timing of their pressing, hard to say and therefor hard to reproduce. I would have said it is my hardware but, since I hear this from other users, have to assume it is ml related. Hope this helps somewhat. Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online stores. Sent from my phone On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:09 PM, accessibil...@apple.com wrote: Please include the line below in follow-up emails for this request. Follow-up: 219742358 Hello, Thank you for your email. Would you be able to provide us with some examples of applications or web sites that you have encountered this issue on? Apple Accessibility -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
making appointments in 10.8
Hello, When I make a new appointment in 10.8, I am trying to type in the title field something like appointment 6/08/12 13:00 ON this way, the appointment should start the 6th of august at 13:00. Unfortunately, this seems only to work if I use the button to add a new appointment not when I press command+n. This was also in 10.7. I was wondering If someone is doing it on another way of knows a way that it should also work with command+n? Kind regards, William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
VO bug when exiting tables using left navigational gestures or keystrokes
Yes, the subject says it all. I've found out that my VO does not respond properly when, once I've entered a table, I try to go back using either the VO + left arrow, the single left arrow key with quick nav on or the one finger left flick on my trackpad. Before I write to apple reporting this issue I would like to know if you've found out the same problem. Also it is important to let them know what specific kind of tables are the ones which generate the conflict. If somebody has done that work before, it would be great that you share it here if you want. If not, I'll keep on researching. Thank you all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: making appointments in 10.8
Hi William I use command plus n exclusively for entering appointments. In english I write something like dinner with x on Friday 3 August at 7 PM. I write it exactly like that. It puts everything perfectly into the right places in the calendar. I don't know how it would be in Dutch, but you could try something similar. Actually, I am Dutch myself but grew up speaking English. I would be interested if something like eten met x op Frijdag 3 Augustus om 1900 uur would work. Let me know. Lisette - Original Message - From: William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34 PM Subject: making appointments in 10.8 Hello, When I make a new appointment in 10.8, I am trying to type in the title field something like appointment 6/08/12 13:00 ON this way, the appointment should start the 6th of august at 13:00. Unfortunately, this seems only to work if I use the button to add a new appointment not when I press command+n. This was also in 10.7. I was wondering If someone is doing it on another way of knows a way that it should also work with command+n? Kind regards, William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7342 (20120731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7342 (20120731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: RSS in ML?
Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I checked out several different sites and everyone confirms that RSS reading capabilities have been scrapped in mail under ML, at least for the time being. A third-party client is apparently the way to go. Best regards to everyone, along with thanks, Mike On 30,Jul,2012, at 9:16 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: +Hi Chris, How can one read RSS feeds in Mountain Lion Mail? That is to say, what are the steps to get it to work? Thank you, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:32 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: RSS in ML? You can still read RSS within mail and you can get a Safari extension to put the RSS button back onto the toolbar. On 30 Jul 2012, at 19:09, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: RSS feeds are no longer available in Mountain Lion. You'll need another RSS reader. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Busboom Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:00 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RSS in ML? Hello everyone, I recently installed Mountain Lion and, for the most part, things are great. I am having one issue, however, and that is with Mail's RSS facility. I have been subscribed to several RSS feeds for a long time, and I have always read them in the Mail program. Under ML, however, those mailboxes are no longer visible in my list of mailboxes. Does anyone know where, or if, ML moved them to? Thanks in advance, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speakable items
Hi Lisette, VO actually makes it really easy. You'll know when it recognizes the phrases you speak because it will make a little whit sound. When you get that sound consistently after speaking the phrases in the list, you'll know you have it calibrated. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Donna But how do you know they have been recognised if you can't see the green light or whatever it says you are supposed to see? Does it repeat them back at you? Thanks Lisette On 31/07/2012, at 3:52 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get recognized. Mine worked best around 60%. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate things. Thanks. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Hear ye, hear ye! I couldn't agree more. That mail had me constantly over and over again, saying? Drama, drama, drama! O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but that isn't to say I won't eventually. The point is, give Apple a break for God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do! In other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human. Just because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible. They, like you and myself are human. So cut out the bashing please. I agree. It's ok to complain, but do so construtively. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speakable items
Hi Donna, Okay, can you explain how to calibrate and where to go to accomplish this? Thanks. Les On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Hi Lisette, VO actually makes it really easy. You'll know when it recognizes the phrases you speak because it will make a little whit sound. When you get that sound consistently after speaking the phrases in the list, you'll know you have it calibrated. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Donna But how do you know they have been recognised if you can't see the green light or whatever it says you are supposed to see? Does it repeat them back at you? Thanks Lisette On 31/07/2012, at 3:52 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get recognized. Mine worked best around 60%. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate things. Thanks. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speakable objects… very cool!
Okay, I found the calibrate slider. By default it's set at 100%. Even when I adjust it, I hit the F10 key and hear a tone that means it's not recognized, even though I defined it as the key I wished. So I'm missing something here. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing is not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of a button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a send button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or whatever key I chose for speakable objects) and say send and it would do it. You can find this in the dictation and speech item of system preferences. Go there, select speakable objects from the table, vo-right to the three tabs, activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here you can use the checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items in the second. I just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off whatever you like. By the way, the listening key tab is where you can change your key. Let us know if you have problems. On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote: I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it worked for me once. I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to check off something about in front windows or applications and saw this once, I can't, however, find this again. Can anybody direct me? Thx, Jeff On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi guys Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to be having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also if you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the FN key? Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, This is great info! I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been hacking around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload. I went into System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned on. But I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of. Can you help? Thanks. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now it is working. Here's what I discovered so far: switch to [app name] will switch you to an app, provided that app is already running. open [app name] will open an app not already open, including third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with. what time is it will speak the current time. what's today's date will speak the date quit this application will close the currently focused app; hide this application does the same but minimizes it There are more commands which you can get to by saying show me what to say. Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. VO-right to the collapsed item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If nothing else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the preferences dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, which lets you speak the name of a control in the currently focused window to be activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To
Re: making appointments in 10.8
Hi Lisette, Thx for the hints. I have played with your suggestion since I would like also a end-hour for my appointment. What works best until now: dinner with x on vrijdag 3 August at 20:30-23:15 The only thing that isn't very dutch is the on and the at. I also think that this system isn't 100% stable. To make shore all the tests are workking correctly, I had to close and open again the agenda-app. I mean: I test something and it works one time but not 2 times until I restart the app. However, I am happy that I know this and, the bugs seems that little so I can handle it. thx for the help, William Windels Op 31-jul.-2012, om 11:18 heeft Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi William I use command plus n exclusively for entering appointments. In english I write something like dinner with x on Friday 3 August at 7 PM. I write it exactly like that. It puts everything perfectly into the right places in the calendar. I don't know how it would be in Dutch, but you could try something similar. Actually, I am Dutch myself but grew up speaking English. I would be interested if something like eten met x op Vrijdag 3 Augustus om 1900 uur would work. Let me know. Lisette - Original Message - From: William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34 PM Subject: making appointments in 10.8 Hello, When I make a new appointment in 10.8, I am trying to type in the title field something like appointment 6/08/12 13:00 ON this way, the appointment should start the 6th of august at 13:00. Unfortunately, this seems only to work if I use the button to add a new appointment not when I press command+n. This was also in 10.7. I was wondering If someone is doing it on another way of knows a way that it should also work with command+n? Kind regards, William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7342 (20120731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7342 (20120731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
I agree with you. I love that you can easily share our concerns with the Apple accessibility team, while that was all but impossible with JAWS. My wife and I are on our second Macs now (changed from Macbook Pro to Macbook Air), and we love it. My Pro has lasted twice as long as any other computer I've had, and I use my computer probably 16 hours a day since I'm a programmer. Now we'll never use anything but Macs. Brandon On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speakable items
Hi Les, Open System Prefs. Type the letter A and you will be taken right to accessibility. Press VO-Space to select. Press tab to get to the Speakable Items. VO-Arrow to Settings and press VO-Space. There you'll see Microphone, and the default is the internal mic. Change this if you plan to use an external microphone. Next to that is a Calibrate button. Press it, and you'll see a slider, which you can adjust up and down with the arrow keys. You'll also see a series of phrases that you are to speak to test recognition. You'll know that the mic is calibrated properly when you hear the little whit sound whenever you speak one of those phrases. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:28 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Donna, Okay, can you explain how to calibrate and where to go to accomplish this? Thanks. Les On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Hi Lisette, VO actually makes it really easy. You'll know when it recognizes the phrases you speak because it will make a little whit sound. When you get that sound consistently after speaking the phrases in the list, you'll know you have it calibrated. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Donna But how do you know they have been recognised if you can't see the green light or whatever it says you are supposed to see? Does it repeat them back at you? Thanks Lisette On 31/07/2012, at 3:52 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get recognized. Mine worked best around 60%. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate things. Thanks. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speakable objects… very cool!
You don't have to hit the F10 key, you can just start speaking the list of phrases. Best, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I found the calibrate slider. By default it's set at 100%. Even when I adjust it, I hit the F10 key and hear a tone that means it's not recognized, even though I defined it as the key I wished. So I'm missing something here. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing is not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of a button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a send button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or whatever key I chose for speakable objects) and say send and it would do it. You can find this in the dictation and speech item of system preferences. Go there, select speakable objects from the table, vo-right to the three tabs, activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here you can use the checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items in the second. I just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off whatever you like. By the way, the listening key tab is where you can change your key. Let us know if you have problems. On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote: I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it worked for me once. I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to check off something about in front windows or applications and saw this once, I can't, however, find this again. Can anybody direct me? Thx, Jeff On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi guys Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to be having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also if you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the FN key? Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, This is great info! I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been hacking around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload. I went into System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned on. But I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of. Can you help? Thanks. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now it is working. Here's what I discovered so far: switch to [app name] will switch you to an app, provided that app is already running. open [app name] will open an app not already open, including third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with. what time is it will speak the current time. what's today's date will speak the date quit this application will close the currently focused app; hide this application does the same but minimizes it There are more commands which you can get to by saying show me what to say. Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. VO-right to the collapsed item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If nothing else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the preferences dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, which lets you speak the name of a control in the currently focused window to be activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. --
Re: speakable objects… very cool!
Hi Les. Some people have reset their keys to f10. However, I left mine alone to the default which is the escape key. Mine now seems to be working pretty good, if yours truly could remember all the exact to say. I'll get it sooner or later. If we get Siri on here one of the days, it may be more forgiving about slipping up on words, but I have found that you have to say the exact words on this one. Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex and Others, Okay, I went to System Preferences, Accessibility and found the Speakable Items option. I checked the 6 options that were available. I then managed to access the Listening Key and tried a variety of key combinations, but settled on F10 since others seem to be having success with that key. Now, how do I get these commands to work? I restarted my system, and when pressing F10, I hear an error tone I thought I could say what time is it anywhere when the system is running? What am I missing? Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing is not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of a button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a send button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or whatever key I chose for speakable objects) and say send and it would do it. You can find this in the dictation and speech item of system preferences. Go there, select speakable objects from the table, vo-right to the three tabs, activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here you can use the checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items in the second. I just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off whatever you like. By the way, the listening key tab is where you can change your key. Let us know if you have problems. On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote: I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it worked for me once. I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to check off something about in front windows or applications and saw this once, I can't, however, find this again. Can anybody direct me? Thx, Jeff On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi guys Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to be having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also if you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the FN key? Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, This is great info! I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been hacking around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload. I went into System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned on. But I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of. Can you help? Thanks. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now it is working. Here's what I discovered so far: switch to [app name] will switch you to an app, provided that app is already running. open [app name] will open an app not already open, including third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with. what time is it will speak the current time. what's today's date will speak the date quit this application will close the currently focused app; hide this application does the same but minimizes it There are more commands which you can get to by saying show me what to say. Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. VO-right to the collapsed item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If nothing else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the preferences dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, which lets you speak the name of a control in the currently focused window to be activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: VO bug when exiting tables using left navigational gestures or keystrokes
I don't understand. Once you enter a table, you must first stop interacting with it before you can move around the rest of the window. What exactly happens, and what steps can we use to try to reproduce this problem? On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:36 AM, Daniel Montalvo charad...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the subject says it all. I've found out that my VO does not respond properly when, once I've entered a table, I try to go back using either the VO + left arrow, the single left arrow key with quick nav on or the one finger left flick on my trackpad. Before I write to apple reporting this issue I would like to know if you've found out the same problem. Also it is important to let them know what specific kind of tables are the ones which generate the conflict. If somebody has done that work before, it would be great that you share it here if you want. If not, I'll keep on researching. Thank you all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
My response is simple. If you are not going to report the issues as a bug and are unhappy with the Mac. Then simply don't buy one, or just take your current one back if it is under the time limit of being able to get a full refund. Failing that, wipe it and stick Windows on the thing. Bye bye Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 12:16, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: And it ain't as if there's that much to complain about really. Sure, sometimes VO won't respond to pressing VO+space, and the time line issue; but really, I think we're looking at an undercover Apple basher here. You know the type. They get a Mac, give themselves perhaps a few days with it and expect it to be a windows machine. So, when they find out it's not, they not only take it back, they publicly condemn it to all their windows friends. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:15 AM, Christopher-Mark gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Hear ye, hear ye! I couldn't agree more. That mail had me constantly over and over again, saying? Drama, drama, drama! O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but that isn't to say I won't eventually. The point is, give Apple a break for God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do! In other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human. Just because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible. They, like you and myself are human. So cut out the bashing please. I agree. It's ok to complain, but do so construtively. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. --
more VO weirdness at login
Hi all, OK, so yesterday I reinstalled ML, and all was well, I had VO back during login. Well, today it's gone again, and I have absolutely no idea why. *sigh* Best, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speakable items
I for some reason didn't have to do the calibration. Although I have a like trouble getting things going, once I did, things went fine. Maybe you only have to do the calibration thing if the computer is not understanding consistently. Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get recognized. Mine worked best around 60%. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate things. Thanks. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
I have found a number of bugs, and they are all fairly minor, no show stoppers. I am sure many of the bugs were identified by the beta testers, but if Apple weighted for every single bug to be squashed then the thing would never get out of the door. instead of bitching, report the issues to Apple. Let's look at Blackberry for example, where is their Blackberry 10 operating system? Oh right, yeah, they are waiting to release it once it is finally feature rich and bug free. See you in 2014 RIM or will it be RIP? Let's remember that Apple will spend the next 12 months fixing any major issues with Mountain Lion, is not just dumped in your lap to never be updated. So if you have concerns or issues, then let Apple know about it directly. Our energy would be best spent on making VoiceOver great, not tearing it apart. Narrator for Windows anyone? Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 11:15, Christopher-Mark gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Hear ye, hear ye! I couldn't agree more. That mail had me constantly over and over again, saying? Drama, drama, drama! O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but that isn't to say I won't eventually. The point is, give Apple a break for God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do! In other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human. Just because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible. They, like you and myself are human. So cut out the bashing please. I agree. It's ok to complain, but do so construtively. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries
Re: speakable objects… very cool!
The key you designate is a push-to-tlak key of sorts. You press it down, speak, then release it. I don't know if you were doing that or not, but it sounds like you were just pressing the key and letting it go. When callibrating, you simply speak the phrases until you hear the sound every time (I haven't tried this yet but am taking it from a message in a different thread). Let us know how it works out. On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:18 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex and Others, Okay, I went to System Preferences, Accessibility and found the Speakable Items option. I checked the 6 options that were available. I then managed to access the Listening Key and tried a variety of key combinations, but settled on F10 since others seem to be having success with that key. Now, how do I get these commands to work? I restarted my system, and when pressing F10, I hear an error tone I thought I could say what time is it anywhere when the system is running? What am I missing? Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing is not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of a button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a send button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or whatever key I chose for speakable objects) and say send and it would do it. You can find this in the dictation and speech item of system preferences. Go there, select speakable objects from the table, vo-right to the three tabs, activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here you can use the checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items in the second. I just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off whatever you like. By the way, the listening key tab is where you can change your key. Let us know if you have problems. On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote: I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it worked for me once. I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to check off something about in front windows or applications and saw this once, I can't, however, find this again. Can anybody direct me? Thx, Jeff On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi guys Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to be having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also if you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the FN key? Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, This is great info! I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been hacking around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload. I went into System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned on. But I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of. Can you help? Thanks. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now it is working. Here's what I discovered so far: switch to [app name] will switch you to an app, provided that app is already running. open [app name] will open an app not already open, including third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with. what time is it will speak the current time. what's today's date will speak the date quit this application will close the currently focused app; hide this application does the same but minimizes it There are more commands which you can get to by saying show me what to say. Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. VO-right to the collapsed item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If nothing else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the preferences dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, which lets you speak the name of a control in the currently focused window to be activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group,
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
You'll agree that it is a big learning curve when you get a Mac. One will only succeed if one puts effort in. We are our own enemies. Another thought crossed my mind, we want our technology, we pay with it for a few days, then when we get board or dissatified, we bash it. Human nature! This is what is happening here! On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:40 PM, Chris Moore apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com wrote: My response is simple. If you are not going to report the issues as a bug and are unhappy with the Mac. Then simply don't buy one, or just take your current one back if it is under the time limit of being able to get a full refund. Failing that, wipe it and stick Windows on the thing. Bye bye Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 12:16, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: And it ain't as if there's that much to complain about really. Sure, sometimes VO won't respond to pressing VO+space, and the time line issue; but really, I think we're looking at an undercover Apple basher here. You know the type. They get a Mac, give themselves perhaps a few days with it and expect it to be a windows machine. So, when they find out it's not, they not only take it back, they publicly condemn it to all their windows friends. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:15 AM, Christopher-Mark gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Hear ye, hear ye! I couldn't agree more. That mail had me constantly over and over again, saying? Drama, drama, drama! O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but that isn't to say I won't eventually. The point is, give Apple a break for God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do! In other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human. Just because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible. They, like you and myself are human. So cut out the bashing please. I agree. It's ok to complain, but do so construtively. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
So you sold your Mac and gave up on it? So what now qualifies you to know how Mountain Lion and Safari 6 are performing? I would say web surfing in ML is vastly improved. I have not heard Safari say busy yet, and the rotor is turbo speed in comparison to Lion. Safari and VO see more elements than before and you can easily select text now too. Granted there are still a couple of minor bugs, but so is JAWS and Window Eyes in that arena. Sorry to be blunt, am just sick to death of people moaning. Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Cheree Heppe here: Designing the architecture for a useable screen reader might be compared to a science fiction writer designing a world or universe. Wha if, though, the original architecture of a world or a screen reader required radical changes in order to keep pace with advancements unimagined in the original outlay? Could we as users manage changes that re-mapped how keystrokes accessed function? Could a re-do of command structures be done without truly rocking the world views of the users? Could leaving a structural legacy intact, such as maybe keystrokes using three and four keys at a time, a pattern that must have sprung from the early beginnings of screen reader access, harm the future flexibility or usability of a comman structure architecture? What if the whole keystroke structure had to be re-done to make it more streamlined and to allow for new access? Could we tolerate that? Or would we be stuck in some other mode? If I could design an access model, it might allow screen gestures and tapping the way an I-device such as an IPad or IPhone does, with the aded power of the key commands and built-in features of a laptop design. Regards, Cheree Heppe Sent from my IPhone 4S On 31/07/2012, at 5:51, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: You'll agree that it is a big learning curve when you get a Mac. One will only succeed if one puts effort in. We are our own enemies. Another thought crossed my mind, we want our technology, we pay with it for a few days, then when we get board or dissatified, we bash it. Human nature! This is what is happening here! On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:40 PM, Chris Moore apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com wrote: My response is simple. If you are not going to report the issues as a bug and are unhappy with the Mac. Then simply don't buy one, or just take your current one back if it is under the time limit of being able to get a full refund. Failing that, wipe it and stick Windows on the thing. Bye bye Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 12:16, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: And it ain't as if there's that much to complain about really. Sure, sometimes VO won't respond to pressing VO+space, and the time line issue; but really, I think we're looking at an undercover Apple basher here. You know the type. They get a Mac, give themselves perhaps a few days with it and expect it to be a windows machine. So, when they find out it's not, they not only take it back, they publicly condemn it to all their windows friends. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:15 AM, Christopher-Mark gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Hear ye, hear ye! I couldn't agree more. That mail had me constantly over and over again, saying? Drama, drama, drama! O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but that isn't to say I won't eventually. The point is, give Apple a break for God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do! In other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human. Just because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible. They, like you and myself are human. So cut out the bashing please. I agree. It's ok to complain, but do so construtively. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have
VO problem at login solved, I think
Hi all, I'm posting this for the others of you who said you had trouble getting VO to speak at login. I found that if I booted up my machine and just let it sit there a minute, I got an error message pertaining to failure to connect to a Bluetooth audio device, and was prompted to stop using headphones. So, I went into my Bluetooth settings and deleted all devices. Not sure what caused the problem, but the problem seems to have gone away. So, if this is happening to you, you might want to try deleting your Bluetooth devices, and then re-pairing them. Best, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Hi, Keep in mind, not everyone on list was upgrading from lion. If you were moving from snow leopard to mountain lion, I think the upgrade is indeed significant. As far as the busy issue you had, I think that is the exception more than the norm for those using Safari in Mountain Lion with Voiceover. I'm not saying its never going to happen but, it happens way less for me in ML than in Lion. I have to use Windows quite a bit for my A+ studies, and I can remember dozens of times where jaws will just stop talking all together for some reason or another while browsing using firefox or IE. Hell, sometimes the browser will just freeze so bad, I need to restart the machine. haha. In those situations, I wish I had that force quit you spoke about. Its nice to not have any 1 app crash your whole machine. I point this out just to say, problems of some sort will always exist. I hope you are reporting your findings to Apple as well as to the list. I'm sure they would find your input valuable. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
anyone ever used winonx?
Hi all, I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: vo space bar to selecting links or opening attachments, in mountain lion, assistance please
Hi, In some situations I've found that you need to use VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu on the link then choose Open Link. VIPs are a new feature in Mail whereby specific people are identified as important to you and are thus labeled as VIPs. I'm guessing that you've pressed something to tell Mail that someone is a VIP. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-07-30, at 9:54 PM, Sharon Ballantyne sbal...@nexicom.net wrote: Hi All, In a message in which I have already made the message body interactive vo space bar is not opening a link. Voice over is saying URL detected but won't open. The same thing is happening for attachments i am trying to open. Instead of the link or attachment opening I am getting a read button and a few other choices of buttons. I am also sort of stumbling across something that is saying V I P but I do not know what that is all about. Is there some sort of check box or something I have missed in preferences or something. Sorry for my ignorance, any help appreciated. I am using regular mail for Mac. Thank-you so much. Peace and Positivity, Sharon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where the significant upgrade is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: anyone ever used winonx?
Hi Alex, I have never heard of it or tried it. If you try it will you let us know how it works. I am wondering how well DBT would work with it so that is why I am so curious. Becky and Ceil On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
I'd like to mention web browsing. I use chrome, not safari, but I find the speed improvements in navigation amazing. In fact, it is as responsive now as windows is on webpages, which I thought would never happen. I've been on windows for years and had a horrible time getting used to the mac over the last year, but now I literally turn on windows only for games. I never thought I would do that, but the combination of ML, using Serena with vo, and learning some really helpful commands has turned me into a shameless apple fanboy. On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion
Re: Blackboard Question
Hi Les, No Omniweb isn't in the app store. I googled it and it came right up.I don't have the link on hand but there might be someone else who does. If so hopefully they'll chime in. As for the frames, it works pretty well. I could access all of the discussion board including all posts. You do have to fiddle with it sometimes. Sometimes using quick nab worked best and other times you could get away with not using it. Hope this helps. Becky and Ceil On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi Becky, Thanks for this. I assume I would search for Omniweb, or is it in the App Store? Also, were you able to read the framed text I mentioned? Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Becky Knaub becnc...@embarqmail.com wrote: Les, When I used Blackboard with my Mac I used Omniweb since safari would continuously say busy and just gave me a lot of trouble. It worked much better in Omniweb.I would suggest you try that and see if it works better. If you are using ML I am not sure how it'll be but with Lion it worked really well. Hope that helps. Becky and Ceil On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online learning system. In the Discussion Board section, we are unable to read plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure if it's possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame. Please let me know if this is possible. Les Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors! On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of material for using the Mac. I'd encourage you to get whatever you feel is appropriate, see below. Begin forwarded message: From: Esther mori...@mac-access.net Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls! Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Hello Gigi and Others, There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not been updated for Mountain Lion. So the links for downloading the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide in a web browser, and also to the electronic braille version in .brf format, still point to Lion. As far as I can tell, versions for Mountain Lion have yet been prepared on these sites. At some point this page should be updated, but right now it points to Lion versions: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html It might help your friend to review some of the Vision Australia podcasts on working with VoiceOver. Also, you can check the AppleVis Guides section: http://www.applevis.com/guides • A Guide to Making the Switch from Using a Windows Screen Reader to VoiceOver On a Mac http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-making-switch-using-windows-screen-reader-voiceover-mac • VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-keyboard-shortcuts-mac-os-x • General Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X http://www.applevis.com/guides/general-keyboard-shortcut-commands-mac-os-x • VoiceOver Gestures for Use with a Multi-Touch TrackPad on Mac OS X http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-gestures-use-multi-touch-trackpad-mac-os-x Incidentally, web versions of the VoiceOver Getting Started guides for Mountain Lion in many different languages seem to be up, I'm a little puzzled why William didn't automatically get this by arrowing down to the last element of the VoiceOver help menu (brought up with VO-H). I don't have Mountain Lion installed yet, so I can't check the language localizations from the loaded packages, but the general rule for Mountain Lion seems to be that you append the language localization code to the web address. So you start with help.apple.com, slash, voiceover, slash, info, slash, guide, slash, 10.8, slash, and then add your localization code. If you don't add a localization, it defaults to English, and resolves to an ending of English.lproj/index.html. This is: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html In general, most language localization codes are two letters, followed by a period and the five letter word lproj and end with a slash, or a slash followed by index.html (either should work). But the older way is to type out the language, such as Dutch and German and English, so it's a bit confusing that you use German.lproj or Dutch.lproj while French, Greek, Danish, and Finnish use the newer two letter code convention of fr.lproj, el.lproj, da.lproj, and fi.lproj (with lower case letters). In the case of Chinese, to distinguish between simplified characters and traditional characters, the language code adds a two letter country designation in caps after an underbar: zh_CN.lproj and zh_TW.lproj, so the
Re: anyone ever used winonx?
Certainly I will let you know. I might just bite the bullet and give it a shot, as this game developer says a couple of his games work, so that's something. I don't know if a large program like dbt would work, and I don't have a copy to try out. For what it's worth, the project is based on the Wine project, which aims to make windows programs useable on linux machines. On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Becky Knaub becnc...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, I have never heard of it or tried it. If you try it will you let us know how it works. I am wondering how well DBT would work with it so that is why I am so curious. Becky and Ceil On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Blackboard Question
Have you tried the vo and F to search for the start of the page such as searching for sort. Sometimes that works. If not what about setting the rotor for static text and using VO and U to see if it would pick it up that way. It'd be a bit of a pain but it might work. Becky On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Is the only thing you have tried tabbing? I normally arrow to where I want, or use navigation keys to get there. Once I find the frame, I interact (vo-shift-down arrow). You may not have tab set to interact automatically, which could be the problem. On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Harry, the issue we are dealing with now is on the Discussions Board. There is a content frame with text that must be read. I cannot tab to this frame, no speech is given from within the Discussion Board. Text is visible on the screen, but I cannot figure out how to access it. Do you have any specific suggestions on how to access content within this frame? Thanks. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Les, I successfully use VO with Safari and Blackboard all of the time. It is a good idea to change the settings to Text only, or Plain text, I'm not sure how it words it. It will be under Personalization or something like that. I just graduated this May and am starting another program this fall, so I don't have an active Blackboard account to look at at the moment. I do hope this helps, however. Please note that Safari has never given me any problems. Thanks, Harry On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, The user must log in, otherwise that would be a great idea. Thanks. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure, in that case. I never had much luck with blackboard, but haven't had to use it for about three years, so they may have improved things since I was forced to endure it. I do know that they optimized it for Internet Explorer, so maybe it is something in Safari? You said you could see the text visually, which is odd as vo seems to not see it. Is there any way you could give us a link, or does the page require the user to log in? On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, I think we tried interacting with the frame, and still could not read the text. I should mention that when I tabbed over and highlighted the text in the frame, VO did not inform me of any text, so this is why I'm figuring we have a problem. Les On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Have the student interact with the frame, and all should work as expected. Don't forget to stop interacting when you are done reading the text, or vo will keep navigating only what is inside the frame. You can change this in the vo utility (vo-f8) if you want to, under the web tab of the navigation category I believe. On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online learning system. In the Discussion Board section, we are unable to read plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure if it's possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame. Please let me know if this is possible. Les Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors! On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of material for using the Mac. I'd encourage you to get whatever you feel is appropriate, see below. Begin forwarded message: From: Esther mori...@mac-access.net Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls! Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Hello Gigi and Others, There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not been updated for Mountain Lion. So the links for downloading the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide in a web browser, and also to the electronic braille version in .brf format, still point to Lion. As far as I can tell, versions for Mountain Lion have yet been prepared on these sites. At some point this page should be updated, but right now it points to Lion versions: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html It might help your friend to review some of the Vision Australia podcasts on working with VoiceOver. Also, you can check the AppleVis Guides section: http://www.applevis.com/guides • A Guide to Making the Switch from Using a Windows Screen Reader to VoiceOver On a Mac http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-making-switch-using-windows-screen-reader-voiceover-mac • VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac
Re: what's the story with Menu Tab for Facebook?
Hello, I am using Friendly for Facebook. I have been looking for a accessible iPhone Facebook app, to no luck. Then I started to look at apps on the Mac, and I dove into Friendly for Facebook, and it is a great app so far. Ed On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:19 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, I don't know why it's not working for you but it works for me. When I press my designated hotkey for it to open, which is control+F, I can see pretty much everything on my Facebook. I even have Growl configured to tell me if there's a new notification. Perhaps you might want to set up a hotkey to open it yourself. Although, I would be interested in finding out if there's a better program than this, I would like to be able to have news feeds from friends and companies that I've liked automatically read out to me. Shawn Sent from my white Mac Book -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Safari is much better now an it was under Lion. I believe in all the platforms although at home I only use windows for Scanning, the occasional web site if Safari can't handle it. I'm no wiz on the Mac but one can only do their best and I learn something new using the Mac all the time. I am using windows at work because I havea no choice as I'm a braille transcriber. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 03:43 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to mention web browsing. I use chrome, not safari, but I find the speed improvements in navigation amazing. In fact, it is as responsive now as windows is on webpages, which I thought would never happen. I've been on windows for years and had a horrible time getting used to the mac over the last year, but now I literally turn on windows only for games. I never thought I would do that, but the combination of ML, using Serena with vo, and learning some really helpful commands has turned me into a shameless apple fanboy. On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features being very blah
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
I am using my I phone at present. I don't have a PC at home only Fusion. So I am very reliant on Apple E-mail which works great thanks to a Beta tester I know as the person gave valuable input so we can all have excellent mail on the Mac Ah men! Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:09 PM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
I don't know about selecting text, but why not just use textedit for programming? I haven't found a way to get vo to report indentation automatically, but I don't think you will have any problems aside from that. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever got a cookie message that said my
Re: keyboards
Does the Apple Wireless keyboard have these keys? If not I stand corrected. - Original Message - From: Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: keyboards hello list is there a full size wireless keyboard that has home and end keys and if yes could you please send me the link -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: dictation success!
Can I just ask, are we saying with ML you can ask it what day etc it is, if so, in what manner…? I thought ML only had dictation available in it at this time? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:23, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: dictation success!
sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
Re: dictation success!
What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: anyone ever used winonx?
Nope, and I wonder what they have that the others don't? Depending on how much you value your time, it might be better just paying a bit more for Fusion (about $40) which has an accessible UI and there are a lot of tips in this email archive on making it work well with Jaws/VO. You can also play with Virtualbox which is free. The GUI is not accessible with voiceover but it has a full command line interface which you can use from terminal: http://andunix.net/info/virtualbox/cli CB On 7/31/12 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Hi. To select text, use standard OS X text selection commands. All of these can be found in the various help files. On 2012-07-31, at 11:16 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about selecting text, but why not just use textedit for programming? I haven't found a way to get vo to report indentation automatically, but I don't think you will have any problems aside from that. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I just had to use the
Re: keyboards
The Apple one does not and instead overloads the arrow keys for this with the function key. CB On 7/31/12 11:23 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Does the Apple Wireless keyboard have these keys? If not I stand corrected. - Original Message - From: Wayne Coles wayne...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: keyboards hello list is there a full size wireless keyboard that has home and end keys and if yes could you please send me the link -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyone ever used winonx?
Thanks, I might have a look at virtualbox, I didn't know it was free. The advantage to winonx is that you don't need windows, just the windows program you want to run, so no licenses or million-character codes to mess with. I don't think I even have my windows code anymore, so I couldn't authorize a vm. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Nope, and I wonder what they have that the others don't? Depending on how much you value your time, it might be better just paying a bit more for Fusion (about $40) which has an accessible UI and there are a lot of tips in this email archive on making it work well with Jaws/VO. You can also play with Virtualbox which is free. The GUI is not accessible with voiceover but it has a full command line interface which you can use from terminal: http://andunix.net/info/virtualbox/cli CB On 7/31/12 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO bug when exiting tables using left navigational gestures or keystrokes
Hi Alex: I forgot to mention that it happens in Safari only, where it is not necessary to interact. What I do to reproduce the bug is the following: 1. Go to a web page that has tables. 2. Get to one of them by using the VO command for next or previous table. 3. Move through the table using the apropiate commands. 4. Try to exit the table by using VO + left arrow, the left arrow when quick nav is on or the one finger left flick in the trackpad. What sometimes happens to me is that VO is not able to exit the table. It says Beginning of row and it's not able to go back. The only way I manage to go back is by hiting Shift + Tab, which leaves me in the previous focussable item. Well, if you want give it a try. El 31/07/2012, a las 14:38, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com escribió: I don't understand. Once you enter a table, you must first stop interacting with it before you can move around the rest of the window. What exactly happens, and what steps can we use to try to reproduce this problem? On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:36 AM, Daniel Montalvo charad...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the subject says it all. I've found out that my VO does not respond properly when, once I've entered a table, I try to go back using either the VO + left arrow, the single left arrow key with quick nav on or the one finger left flick on my trackpad. Before I write to apple reporting this issue I would like to know if you've found out the same problem. Also it is important to let them know what specific kind of tables are the ones which generate the conflict. If somebody has done that work before, it would be great that you share it here if you want. If not, I'll keep on researching. Thank you all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: dictation success!
Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You
Re: dictation success!
Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
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Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons… I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat… neither option are working for me…! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct
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Hi there! Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice this should be helpful! Colin And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then! Colin On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons… I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat… neither option are working for me…! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
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Colin, I did not, but, is this accessible? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 17:10, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi there! Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice this should be helpful! Colin And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then! Colin On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons… I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat… neither option are working for me…! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul
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Hi Neal, I also tried using the accent key, but couldn't get that to work either, so went with F10. I have a keyboard shortcut to mute speech, so don't use the F10 mute all that much. I also found that the keyword computer doesn't work. I had better luck using Victoria, which is the name of the voice I'm using. So, not sure why computer doesn't seem to work, but you might try a different keyword. Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons… I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat… neither option are working for me…! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a
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Hi Neal, Yeah, it is. If the Mac recognizes the phrase you spoke, it will make the little wit sound. Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Colin, I did not, but, is this accessible? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 17:10, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi there! Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice this should be helpful! Colin And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then! Colin On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons… I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat… neither option are working for me…! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact
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Donna, I will give that a go, the issue with the calibration aspect, which some have suggested is that I do not see how you can use that with Voice Over enabled… I'll keep trying! :) Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 17:13, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Hi Neal, I also tried using the accent key, but couldn't get that to work either, so went with F10. I have a keyboard shortcut to mute speech, so don't use the F10 mute all that much. I also found that the keyword computer doesn't work. I had better luck using Victoria, which is the name of the voice I'm using. So, not sure why computer doesn't seem to work, but you might try a different keyword. Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons… I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat… neither option are working for me…! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012,
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Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :) Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi there! Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice this should be helpful! Colin And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then! Colin On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons… I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat… neither option are working for me…! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike
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Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because
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Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri. On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you
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To select text within Safari is the exact same way you would do it on Windows. Just use the arrow keys and shift and then the standard copy and paste. On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:48, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. To select text, use standard OS X text selection commands. All of these can be found in the various help files. On 2012-07-31, at 11:16 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about selecting text, but why not just use textedit for programming? I haven't found a way to get vo to report indentation automatically, but I don't think you will have any problems aside from that. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12,
Re: dictation success!
hi Karen yes dictation is new in Mountain lion. The other one first equal items is different in Mountain lion, but I understand that it's not new. As for the iPad, you have to have the new iPad for it to work. Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac
Re: dictation success!
I see. Anything you cannot control with this feature? Karen. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri. On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: dictation success!
Karen, There are two different speech features. You can activate, one, both, or neither of them. One is Dictation. this is new to ML. It allows you to dictate what you want to write any time that you are in a text field. This feature is also on the newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s. You can, however, accomplish similar things on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation. The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable items. This you can configure to let you control many different things on your Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding the time and date, and many other things. It is closer to Siri on the iPhone 4s. It was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very well. Hope this clarifies things. Best, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: I see. Anything you cannot control with this feature? Karen. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri. On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my
Re: anyone ever used winonx?
Ahh, so it emulates the APIs of Windows, not Windows itself. In that respect it's more like Crossover, also based on WINE. I've not used it but they target gamers who want to run Windows games without having to buy a full seat of Windows in addition to the emulator. Crossover is $60 from a company called Codeweavers and I think they have a free trial: http://www.codeweavers.com CB On 7/31/12 11:55 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Thanks, I might have a look at virtualbox, I didn't know it was free. The advantage to winonx is that you don't need windows, just the windows program you want to run, so no licenses or million-character codes to mess with. I don't think I even have my windows code anymore, so I couldn't authorize a vm. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com mailto:cblo...@aol.com wrote: Nope, and I wonder what they have that the others don't? Depending on how much you value your time, it might be better just paying a bit more for Fusion (about $40) which has an accessible UI and there are a lot of tips in this email archive on making it work well with Jaws/VO. You can also play with Virtualbox which is free. The GUI is not accessible with voiceover but it has a full command line interface which you can use from terminal: http://andunix.net/info/virtualbox/cli CB On 7/31/12 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyone ever used winonx?
I'm certainly thinking of trying this. I don't think programs like that have really been too successful, but for 5 dollars? Well... maybe. On 8/1/12, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I might have a look at virtualbox, I didn't know it was free. The advantage to winonx is that you don't need windows, just the windows program you want to run, so no licenses or million-character codes to mess with. I don't think I even have my windows code anymore, so I couldn't authorize a vm. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Nope, and I wonder what they have that the others don't? Depending on how much you value your time, it might be better just paying a bit more for Fusion (about $40) which has an accessible UI and there are a lot of tips in this email archive on making it work well with Jaws/VO. You can also play with Virtualbox which is free. The GUI is not accessible with voiceover but it has a full command line interface which you can use from terminal: http://andunix.net/info/virtualbox/cli CB On 7/31/12 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as much). If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes I'll write something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and such in vim. In vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find that immensely useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a lot of other features, are indispensable. Brandon On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think to do something positive. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require that it gets the job done. Jim On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement iss about. It only took three days as I
Re: dictation success!
Hi Donna, profound thanks. That does make things more clear for me. Its funny as I have been meaning to ask about dragon dictate, may still for a different reason. However this moves me closer to a new mac, since I would have to use a full sized keyboard otherwise. the smaller laptop keyboards were just not giving me the sort of dexterity control I am used to with my main dos machine with he vo controls very awkward, and I was unsure how I would like all that flipping, smile. If one can control more things via voice, then this will make a big difference. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote: Karen, There are two different speech features. You can activate, one, both, or neither of them. One is Dictation. this is new to ML. It allows you to dictate what you want to write any time that you are in a text field. This feature is also on the newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s. You can, however, accomplish similar things on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation. The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable items. This you can configure to let you control many different things on your Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding the time and date, and many other things. It is closer to Siri on the iPhone 4s. It was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very well. Hope this clarifies things. Best, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: I see. Anything you cannot control with this feature? Karen. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri. On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are
Re: dictation success!
Hi Karen, Do I read your message correctly that you're still using DOS? If that's the case, by all means get a Mac. Once you get used to it, you will love it. Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi Donna, profound thanks. That does make things more clear for me. Its funny as I have been meaning to ask about dragon dictate, may still for a different reason. However this moves me closer to a new mac, since I would have to use a full sized keyboard otherwise. the smaller laptop keyboards were just not giving me the sort of dexterity control I am used to with my main dos machine with he vo controls very awkward, and I was unsure how I would like all that flipping, smile. If one can control more things via voice, then this will make a big difference. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote: Karen, There are two different speech features. You can activate, one, both, or neither of them. One is Dictation. this is new to ML. It allows you to dictate what you want to write any time that you are in a text field. This feature is also on the newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s. You can, however, accomplish similar things on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation. The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable items. This you can configure to let you control many different things on your Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding the time and date, and many other things. It is closer to Siri on the iPhone 4s. It was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very well. Hope this clarifies things. Best, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: I see. Anything you cannot control with this feature? Karen. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri. On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that
Re: dictation success!
Hi all, I am writing this using dictation. Regarding the question about getting the date, I think there is some confusion. Dictation is not what is used for getting the answer to your question what is the time or what day is it you need to use speakable objects. For dictation, you will be double pressing your function key or some other key that you have assigned to begin dictation and then pressing the function key again only once or whatever key you have it assigned to be as your dictation to stop talking. For the speakable options, you will probably use the default escape key unless you have reassigned I found I needed to reassign the escape key for speakable options and used F10 as that was the one other seem to be using. When using F10 for escape or whatever other key you have assigned, what you need to do is, hold down the key down while you are speaking. I am having lots of fun with this dictation and speakable options! Take care, Sharon On 2012-07-30, at 7:50 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I can't get speakable items to do is to tell me the date. What's the best way to do this? Matt Sent from my mac Twitter: matt692 msn: matt...@live.com skype: blindman3221 On 2012-07-30, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion?
Hi all, Has anyone got a fix workaround for VO spacebar being non-responsive? Also has anyone got a workaround for theV O F5 toggle not working is there some other way or Assignment for the voice over to be turned off and on? thanks, Sharon On 2012-07-31, at 12:28 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :) Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi there! Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice this should be helpful! Colin And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then! Colin On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons… I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat… neither option are working for me…! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at
RE: Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion?
It's Command+f5 to turn VO off and on. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion? Hi all, Has anyone got a fix workaround for VO spacebar being non-responsive? Also has anyone got a workaround for theV O F5 toggle not working is there some other way or Assignment for the voice over to be turned off and on? thanks, Sharon On 2012-07-31, at 12:28 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :) Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi there! Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice this should be helpful! Colin And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then! Colin On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons. I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time. I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat. neither option are working for me.! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM,
Re: Bookshare update
Can't find iPhone app read to go
On Monday, July 30, 2012, Christine Grassman wrote:
Didn't know that; I frankly haven't looked at the membership info since
joining five years ago. :) This makes me very happy, since my daughter is
off to college next year and her brother will follow suit in a few years. I
love bookshare almost as much as I love my iPhone and my Mac. I often find
myself feeling a tad envious of my kids; I would have had such a completely
different experience growing up with the wealth of information these
resources provide. Just two examples: not receiving my Braille textbooks
on time would not have made much of a difference if I had bookshare and/or
iBooks, and reading children's and young adult books, let alone newspapers
at the same time as others, would have meant the world to me, as it does
today.
Christine
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in
for free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your
college email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription
for a year from the time you do this.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
wrote:
Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that
at the membership page on the site.
I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for
bookshare.
https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview
Christine
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com
wrote:
It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides
credit card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor
fill it out
On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it
costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability.
If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however,
the subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price is
worth it to me.
I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers.
Christine
On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com
wrote:
How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering
On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with
bookshare, but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to
tell that the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did
occur, however.
As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well
in Safari.
Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that
downloading will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able to
choose their download file preference (which can be changed at any time),
and a pop-up menu will replace the current list of icons for downloading
daisy with images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, your history will by
default contain thirty days of download history, but you can change the
filter to look further back.
Christine
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Re: Bookshare update
Search for read2go. Note that there are no spaces, and they use the number two in place of the word. On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com wrote: Can't find iPhone app read to go On Monday, July 30, 2012, Christine Grassman wrote: Didn't know that; I frankly haven't looked at the membership info since joining five years ago. :) This makes me very happy, since my daughter is off to college next year and her brother will follow suit in a few years. I love bookshare almost as much as I love my iPhone and my Mac. I often find myself feeling a tad envious of my kids; I would have had such a completely different experience growing up with the wealth of information these resources provide. Just two examples: not receiving my Braille textbooks on time would not have made much of a difference if I had bookshare and/or iBooks, and reading children's and young adult books, let alone newspapers at the same time as others, would have meant the world to me, as it does today. Christine On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in for free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your college email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription for a year from the time you do this. On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that at the membership page on the site. I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for bookshare. https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview Christine On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com wrote: It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides credit card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor fill it out On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability. If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however, the subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price is worth it to me. I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers. Christine On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com wrote: How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with bookshare, but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to tell that the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did occur, however. As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well in Safari. Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that downloading will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able to choose their download file preference (which can be changed at any time), and a pop-up menu will replace the current list of icons for downloading daisy with images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, your history will by default contain thirty days of download history, but you can change the filter to look further back. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit th -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this
Re: dictation success!
Yes Donna, very happily productively and successfully using dos to run my two businesses every day. In fact there is very very little I actually desire doing that I cannot do in dos. My machines are tools not toys. there is one thing I can firmly do given the discussion here, I have one of the best word processors in the world, wordperfect, with printer drivers updated and access maintained regularly. Dos in various forms is still updated as well. I have an older mac presently, set up to run pro tools under the outspoken umbrella, and only used for this. I read this list daily, and witness people going through issues constantly that I would not be able to make time for professionally, keeping track of things that remain issues. Likewise, unless this changed in ml, firefox is still not an option, something I can use in Linux if I desire. so while I know the mac adds advantages, it will be, for me another and I speak for no one but myself, no total replacement. At least I can give apple $99 for training though which will be helpful when the time comes. Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Karen, Do I read your message correctly that you're still using DOS? If that's the case, by all means get a Mac. Once you get used to it, you will love it. Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi Donna, profound thanks. That does make things more clear for me. Its funny as I have been meaning to ask about dragon dictate, may still for a different reason. However this moves me closer to a new mac, since I would have to use a full sized keyboard otherwise. the smaller laptop keyboards were just not giving me the sort of dexterity control I am used to with my main dos machine with he vo controls very awkward, and I was unsure how I would like all that flipping, smile. If one can control more things via voice, then this will make a big difference. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote: Karen, There are two different speech features. You can activate, one, both, or neither of them. One is Dictation. this is new to ML. It allows you to dictate what you want to write any time that you are in a text field. This feature is also on the newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s. You can, however, accomplish similar things on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation. The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable items. This you can configure to let you control many different things on your Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding the time and date, and many other things. It is closer to Siri on the iPhone 4s. It was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very well. Hope this clarifies things. Best, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: I see. Anything you cannot control with this feature? Karen. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri. On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean
RE: Bookshare update
Hi Krysti, It is read the number 2 go no spaces. Thanks Shai From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krysti .Power Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:26 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bookshare update Can't find iPhone app read to go On Monday, July 30, 2012, Christine Grassman wrote: Didn't know that; I frankly haven't looked at the membership info since joining five years ago. :) This makes me very happy, since my daughter is off to college next year and her brother will follow suit in a few years. I love bookshare almost as much as I love my iPhone and my Mac. I often find myself feeling a tad envious of my kids; I would have had such a completely different experience growing up with the wealth of information these resources provide. Just two examples: not receiving my Braille textbooks on time would not have made much of a difference if I had bookshare and/or iBooks, and reading children's and young adult books, let alone newspapers at the same time as others, would have meant the world to me, as it does today. Christine On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in for free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your college email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription for a year from the time you do this. On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that at the membership page on the site. I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for bookshare. https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview Christine On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com wrote: It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides credit card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor fill it out On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability. If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however, the subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price is worth it to me. I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers. Christine On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com wrote: How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with bookshare, but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to tell that the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did occur, however. As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well in Safari. Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that downloading will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able to choose their download file preference (which can be changed at any time), and a pop-up menu will replace the current list of icons for downloading daisy with images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, your history will by default contain thirty days of download history, but you can change the filter to look further back. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit th -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com'); . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'macvisionaries%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroup s.com'); . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
apple response about safari notifications
Hi, Just heard from apple about what safari is supposed to notify you about but their phrase does not make sense to me. Thought I'd ask you first before I bother them with this. Websites using html5 will be able to show alters in notification center, if the users allows. Currently I don't know of any sites that are doing this. Does anyone know what show alters means? Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
pressing shift and the arrow keys does absolutely nothing, and it never has for me. And Text Edit is too convoluted for what I want it to do. If I want to to just copy the text in a webpage in windows, then I will just select what I want and then paste it into notepad. If I do this in Text Edit then it inserts all the formatting of the page including links, making it impossible to just save as a text file. Also, when you choose View Source for a website in windows, it is accessible, but seemingly this is not the case on a Mac. This is one of the reasons I don't think I'll ever fully use a Mac. I am currently struggling to download a file, because when I VO Space on it, it opens the MP3 file and starts playing it. If I VO Shift and M, then it doesn't give me a download option; it only gives me options like 'print page'. And to think I was being complimentary about the mac earlier. Then again I was on a PC at the time. Right I'm off to try and find out the keyboard shortcut for forcing errant Macs to download a file. On 31/07/2012, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as much). If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes I'll write something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and such in vim. In vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find that immensely useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a lot of other features, are indispensable. Brandon On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion and study those and learn before complaining. - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion Hello All. Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my opinion. People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is their right to do so of course. But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape. So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
My responses are below. Sorry I can't be more specific. On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:14 PM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: pressing shift and the arrow keys does absolutely nothing, and it never has for me. And Text Edit is too convoluted for what I want it to do. If I want to to just copy the text in a webpage in windows, then I will just select what I want and then paste it into notepad. If I do this in Text Edit then it inserts all the formatting of the page including links, making it impossible to just save as a text file. First, try turning quicknav off. To copy a line, use shift-down. A word, would be shift-option-right (or left), and so on, just like when you are editing. Quicknav really might be your problem here, and that's why I almost always leave it off. Second, try turning smart paste off. I believe you can vo-shift-m and go down to the substitutions menu. This may help your pasting problem. Also, when you choose View Source for a website in windows, it is accessible, but seemingly this is not the case on a Mac. This is one of the reasons I don't think I'll ever fully use a Mac. I have never tried this, so can't comment. I am currently struggling to download a file, because when I VO Space on it, it opens the MP3 file and starts playing it. If I VO Shift and M, then it doesn't give me a download option; it only gives me options like 'print page'. And to think I was being complimentary about the mac earlier. Then again I was on a PC at the time. IE and Firefox do the same thing. Try going into preferences, or just google download mp3 file in safari and see what others have done to solve this. I bet it is a setting, not a bug at all. Right I'm off to try and find out the keyboard shortcut for forcing errant Macs to download a file. On 31/07/2012, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as much). If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes I'll write something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and such in vim. In vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find that immensely useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a lot of other features, are indispensable. Brandon On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about using my mac now. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new stuff, but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should just jump into their minds how to do everything. Perhaps, people should get the two new books
Applet to the core episode 6 audio hijack pro
Hi, A few people asked me to do a demo of audio hijack pro. here it is. :) http://www.appletothecore.info/2012/07/apple-to-core-episode-6.html Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion?
Okay, so i have been definitely playing with too many keys and buttons! command F5 is indeed the toggle. :) Thanks! Peace and Positivity, Sharon On 2012-07-31, at 1:21 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: It's Command+f5 to turn VO off and on. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion? Hi all, Has anyone got a fix workaround for VO spacebar being non-responsive? Also has anyone got a workaround for theV O F5 toggle not working is there some other way or Assignment for the voice over to be turned off and on? thanks, Sharon On 2012-07-31, at 12:28 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :) Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi there! Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice this should be helpful! Colin And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then! Colin On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Donna, I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can cause issues for obvious reasons. I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every now and then not any other time. I tried the alternative of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, rather floats my boat. neither option are working for me.! any thoughts. thanks. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: Neal, Yes, you need to press and hold the key. I have also found that it helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking. Also, in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked. It's in Accessible Items under Listening key tab. You have two choices, one is listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken. HTH, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and restarting nothing happens. what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate? thanks for any hands on practical usage info. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Hi, thanks for that. I've now turned quicknav off but when I use shift and down, or Shift Option left or right, nothing happens. It does work if I interact with the text, but then what if I want to select a few paragraphs? I tried selecting a line of your reply, and it wouldn't do it. Also, I don't mind the file opening rather than downloading when I VO Space, but I do mind the fact that it then refuses to select the options for a link when I press VO Shift M, and instead brings the menu up for the page. I think that is definitely a bug, and not a preference. And finally, I just entered on the Selecting Text option in VO help, and it opened Safari, and there was no page. I think I might start a commune for distressed Mac users with Brian (I think his name was); I can't remember now, I've been mentally worn down by Mac issues0. On 31/07/2012, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: My responses are below. Sorry I can't be more specific. On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:14 PM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: pressing shift and the arrow keys does absolutely nothing, and it never has for me. And Text Edit is too convoluted for what I want it to do. If I want to to just copy the text in a webpage in windows, then I will just select what I want and then paste it into notepad. If I do this in Text Edit then it inserts all the formatting of the page including links, making it impossible to just save as a text file. First, try turning quicknav off. To copy a line, use shift-down. A word, would be shift-option-right (or left), and so on, just like when you are editing. Quicknav really might be your problem here, and that's why I almost always leave it off. Second, try turning smart paste off. I believe you can vo-shift-m and go down to the substitutions menu. This may help your pasting problem. Also, when you choose View Source for a website in windows, it is accessible, but seemingly this is not the case on a Mac. This is one of the reasons I don't think I'll ever fully use a Mac. I have never tried this, so can't comment. I am currently struggling to download a file, because when I VO Space on it, it opens the MP3 file and starts playing it. If I VO Shift and M, then it doesn't give me a download option; it only gives me options like 'print page'. And to think I was being complimentary about the mac earlier. Then again I was on a PC at the time. IE and Firefox do the same thing. Try going into preferences, or just google download mp3 file in safari and see what others have done to solve this. I bet it is a setting, not a bug at all. Right I'm off to try and find out the keyboard shortcut for forcing errant Macs to download a file. On 31/07/2012, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as much). If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes I'll write something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and such in vim. In vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find that immensely useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a lot of other features, are indispensable. Brandon On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me who's writing this email on a PC. Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few paragraphs? And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I can write HTML and XML files. On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely baffled by the original post and those who supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, knowing that updates would come along and fix the problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, almost everything I hated about lion has been fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are definitely entitled to their opinions, but this almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine anyone thinking that Lion was
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
I'm not sure what happened. I hit shift-option-down in your reply and it selected the line just fine. If you want a few paragraphs, I imagine you'd copy and paste them one at a time. I never have to copy text out of a webpage so can't say for sure there. On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Eagle onlineea...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, thanks for that. I've now turned quicknav off but when I use shift Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
finding out about default button in dialogue box possible or not?
Hi all, I would love to find out which is the default button in dialogue box other than pressing return and seeing what happens. Is this possible? Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: finding out about default button in dialogue box possible or not?
Well, when you move to a button that is default, vo says [button name], default button. Other than that I don't know, but one hint is that the default button is almost always near the end of the dialog box. If you have wrapping on, you can shift-tab or vo-left to find it faster. On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I would love to find out which is the default button in dialogue box other than pressing return and seeing what happens. Is this possible? Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Hello David, To force a file to download rather than play, hold down the Option key and press Return. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
speakable items
Hi all, Because I reassigned the speakable items key to be F10, I hold this key down and say what time is it? The response from the Alex voice on my computer isIt's Tuesday July 31st. For speakable commands I checked the box so it would tell me what action is performed as a confirmation. For example, I will say send message at the end of this dictation as I can switch between using dictation and the speakable actions. Holding F10 I will say send message and the Alex voice will confirm. hth Sharon On 2012-07-31, at 11:28 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Can I just ask, are we saying with ML you can ask it what day etc it is, if so, in what manner…? I thought ML only had dictation available in it at this time? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:23, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
Thanks, I was told about this shortcut before, but I couldn't remember it. I've checked the help files but I can't see anything about that shortcut mentioned. On 31/07/2012, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello David, To force a file to download rather than play, hold down the Option key and press Return. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- http://www.davideagle.co.uk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
DOS (was dictation success!
Well, I confess I'm astounded. I went kicking and screaming into Windows 95, but I had to switch for my job, so switch I did. I've never had much love for Windows, but you couldn't pay me enough to trade in my Mac for a DOS machine. And I think that distinction you make between a computer being a tool or a toy is a lot more grey than it used to be. For example, I just moved, and we haven't even bothered to unpack our CDs, because my whole music library is on my Mac--and a lot of it is even on my phone. My phone is now my alarm clock. I, too, run a business, and I use Skype to talk with clients. I use iCal to set up appointments and keep a schedule. I loved using Pine for email back in the day, but Mac Mail is much more functional. To each his or her own, but I think you're missing out on a lot. :) Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Yes Donna, very happily productively and successfully using dos to run my two businesses every day. In fact there is very very little I actually desire doing that I cannot do in dos. My machines are tools not toys. there is one thing I can firmly do given the discussion here, I have one of the best word processors in the world, wordperfect, with printer drivers updated and access maintained regularly. Dos in various forms is still updated as well. I have an older mac presently, set up to run pro tools under the outspoken umbrella, and only used for this. I read this list daily, and witness people going through issues constantly that I would not be able to make time for professionally, keeping track of things that remain issues. Likewise, unless this changed in ml, firefox is still not an option, something I can use in Linux if I desire. so while I know the mac adds advantages, it will be, for me another and I speak for no one but myself, no total replacement. At least I can give apple $99 for training though which will be helpful when the time comes. Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Karen, Do I read your message correctly that you're still using DOS? If that's the case, by all means get a Mac. Once you get used to it, you will love it. Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi Donna, profound thanks. That does make things more clear for me. Its funny as I have been meaning to ask about dragon dictate, may still for a different reason. However this moves me closer to a new mac, since I would have to use a full sized keyboard otherwise. the smaller laptop keyboards were just not giving me the sort of dexterity control I am used to with my main dos machine with he vo controls very awkward, and I was unsure how I would like all that flipping, smile. If one can control more things via voice, then this will make a big difference. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote: Karen, There are two different speech features. You can activate, one, both, or neither of them. One is Dictation. this is new to ML. It allows you to dictate what you want to write any time that you are in a text field. This feature is also on the newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s. You can, however, accomplish similar things on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation. The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable items. This you can configure to let you control many different things on your Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding the time and date, and many other things. It is closer to Siri on the iPhone 4s. It was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very well. Hope this clarifies things. Best, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: I see. Anything you cannot control with this feature? Karen. On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri. On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi folks, is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like the i-pad? thanks, Karen On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote: Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, Alex, what time is it and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something. On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working! I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the command key and
Re: dictation success!
Hi Neil When you can get it to work, you need to say the phrase tell me what to say This will bring up a list of phrases because the words have to be exact Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: dictation success!
Hi Neil When you are setting things up, there is a list of phrases that you can use. The phrases have to be exact. Right now, I'm in the process of learning exact words to be said. Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email
Re: speakable items
Hi Donna and Virginia I don't even get any sound when I press and hold my speak key. I get nothing. I know I'm not alone in this but can't figure it out at all. It's not a show stopper for me if this can't work on my machine, but it would be nice. On 1/08/2012, at 12:44 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I for some reason didn't have to do the calibration. Although I have a like trouble getting things going, once I did, things went fine. Maybe you only have to do the calibration thing if the computer is not understanding consistently. Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get recognized. Mine worked best around 60%. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate things. Thanks. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Bookshare update
Found it thanks
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Shai wrote:
Hi Krysti,
It is read the number 2 go no spaces.
Thanks
Shai
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On Monday, July 30, 2012, Christine Grassman wrote:
Didn't know that; I frankly haven't looked at the membership info since
joining five years ago. :) This makes me very happy, since my daughter is
off to college next year and her brother will follow suit in a few years. I
love bookshare almost as much as I love my iPhone and my Mac. I often find
myself feeling a tad envious of my kids; I would have had such a completely
different experience growing up with the wealth of information these
resources provide. Just two examples: not receiving my Braille textbooks
on time would not have made much of a difference if I had bookshare and/or
iBooks, and reading children's and young adult books, let alone newspapers
at the same time as others, would have meant the world to me, as it does
today.
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Christine
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in
for free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your
college email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription
for a year from the time you do this.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
wrote:
Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that
at the membership page on the site.
I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for
bookshare.
https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview
Christine
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wrote:
It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides
credit card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor
fill it out
On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it
costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability.*
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If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however,
the subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price is
worth it to me.
I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers. ***
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Christine
On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Krysti .Power happypuppy...@gmail.com
wrote:
How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering
On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with
bookshare, but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to
tell that the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did
occur, however.
As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well
in Safari.
Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that
downloading will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able to
choose their download file preference (which can be changed at any time),
and a pop-up menu will replace the current list of icons for downloading
daisy with images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, yo
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Re: speakable items
You won't get a sound when you do this, you will only get one if the command you give is understood. Also, make sure the input source is set to the microphone you will be using. On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Donna and Virginia I don't even get any sound when I press and hold my speak key. I get nothing. I know I'm not alone in this but can't figure it out at all. It's not a show stopper for me if this can't work on my machine, but it would be nice. On 1/08/2012, at 12:44 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I for some reason didn't have to do the calibration. Although I have a like trouble getting things going, once I did, things went fine. Maybe you only have to do the calibration thing if the computer is not understanding consistently. Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get recognized. Mine worked best around 60%. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate things. Thanks. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: dictation success!
Hi All, Okay, I said a couple of the phrases in the calibration setup and I heard a sound. So I'm guessing this should work now? I redefined the key again, now it's Command Escape. I hold it down for about a second and speak, What time is it. I hear no response from the computer. Now what? Les On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Neil When you can get it to work, you need to say the phrase tell me what to say This will bring up a list of phrases because the words have to be exact Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: speakable items
Hi Lisette and Les, Are you guys sure you have the on button pressed in the Speakable items settings? It's kind of hard to tell, so I would suggest going back in, and pressing VO-Space to select Speakable Items On, then restarting your Mac. Best, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Donna and Virginia I don't even get any sound when I press and hold my speak key. I get nothing. I know I'm not alone in this but can't figure it out at all. It's not a show stopper for me if this can't work on my machine, but it would be nice. On 1/08/2012, at 12:44 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I for some reason didn't have to do the calibration. Although I have a like trouble getting things going, once I did, things went fine. Maybe you only have to do the calibration thing if the computer is not understanding consistently. Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote: You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get recognized. Mine worked best around 60%. Best, Donna On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate things. Thanks. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: making appointments in 10.8
Hi, I usually write something like, Meeting with X on 2 August at 2:00pm (also could be written at 14:00, I suppose. Thank you for the end time suggestions; iCal, however, defaults to an hour long appointment if you do not specify otherwise. This is the same in Google Calendar. Hope this helps, Harry On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:35 AM, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lisette, Thx for the hints. I have played with your suggestion since I would like also a end-hour for my appointment. What works best until now: dinner with x on vrijdag 3 August at 20:30-23:15 The only thing that isn't very dutch is the on and the at. I also think that this system isn't 100% stable. To make shore all the tests are workking correctly, I had to close and open again the agenda-app. I mean: I test something and it works one time but not 2 times until I restart the app. However, I am happy that I know this and, the bugs seems that little so I can handle it. thx for the help, William Windels Op 31-jul.-2012, om 11:18 heeft Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hi William I use command plus n exclusively for entering appointments. In english I write something like dinner with x on Friday 3 August at 7 PM. I write it exactly like that. It puts everything perfectly into the right places in the calendar. I don't know how it would be in Dutch, but you could try something similar. Actually, I am Dutch myself but grew up speaking English. I would be interested if something like eten met x op Vrijdag 3 Augustus om 1900 uur would work. Let me know. Lisette - Original Message - From: William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34 PM Subject: making appointments in 10.8 Hello, When I make a new appointment in 10.8, I am trying to type in the title field something like appointment 6/08/12 13:00 ON this way, the appointment should start the 6th of august at 13:00. Unfortunately, this seems only to work if I use the button to add a new appointment not when I press command+n. This was also in 10.7. I was wondering If someone is doing it on another way of knows a way that it should also work with command+n? Kind regards, William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7342 (20120731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7342 (20120731) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Speakable Feature
Okay, I have this working, but it's very intermittent. While I like the concept, it doesn't seem practical to use it right now: if I'm missing something, let me know. What are other's results getting this to work reliably? Les On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Neil When you can get it to work, you need to say the phrase tell me what to say This will bring up a list of phrases because the words have to be exact Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
Re: Speakable Feature
Mine works maybe 70% of the time. However, I have a cheap desktop microphone feeding into a $3 USB sound card, plus a fan in the background. I'm sure that, with a better microphone, I'd get much better results. As with any speech recognition, the microphone makes a lot of difference I'd expect. On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I have this working, but it's very intermittent. While I like the concept, it doesn't seem practical to use it right now: if I'm missing something, let me know. What are other's results getting this to work reliably? Les On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Neil When you can get it to work, you need to say the phrase tell me what to say This will bring up a list of phrases because the words have to be exact Eugenia Firth gigifi...@sbcglobal.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: These are commands you can give, like what time is it or open iPhoto. You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone. On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote: Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh? I have only made small corrections to this dictation.? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
