date:20141019

Yes, the previous recipients list is a good way to go. You also used to be able 
to  bring the mouse pointer while you're typing and control-click the mouse to 
get more options. However, under Yosemite this doesn't seem to work. Although 
it might be that I was just doing something differently when I tried it just 
now. Mouse clicking can often depend on a lot of variables which are not 
obvious to VoiceOver.

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Re: mail in 10.10

Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages seem to be 
marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard view they are 
all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like the fact that the 
unread status is back to the beginning of the info announced in standard view. 
Apart from this, it seems snappier than ever, but responsiveness depends on 
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Re: voice commands on yosemite

Apple has so much broken this OS. I have no idea why they would think of 
releasing it without having paid more attention to what they were doing.
I wrote this to the accessibility email address, even though it may not be 
totally their fault, I can't believe they don't have some input into what goes 
into their new OS.

Hello,
I am extremely disappointed with the lack of attention paid to accessibility in 
your latest OS10 release.
You overhauled the look of your software, while not thinking of those of us who 
have grown to trust you with our accessibility needs.
I know many visually impaired beta testers, most under NDA with you per each 
release of both desktop  IOS software.
I realize we are a minority in the big picture of your customer base. However, 
if one has paid money to participate in  your testers program  is paid 
lipservice to what is reported, what good are the testers? Has the quality 
control suffered because the upgrades are now free? 
Aren't we as a disability community owed a description of what we can expect in 
terms we understand? It looks pretty, but acts very much like something from a 
crackerjack box.
I can't get to my music in Itunes because the views I have become used to have 
disappeared. There is no more sidebar.
In spotlight search, which is supposed to search for references outside my Mac, 
I hear either the words button or image in the search results.
How is this useful to me or anyone who would try to use it with no vision?
As I stated earlier, there are those who have been under NDA to attempt to 
alert you of the issues before release. Those same people had enough respect 
for their contracts to not divulge issues that may concern the rest of us. 
However, in return we all got slapped in the face.
There is a site that gathers bugs, along with other content. 
In case you are interested go to www.applevis.com
As has been shown, I doubt any of this will be taken to heart. 
I can only hope.
My next computer, if I need one will be a Windows machine. They are cheaper, 
maybe a little buggy, yet I know what I am getting.
Premium prices should reflect premium quality in every sense of the word.
Pamela Francis

Pam Francis

On Oct 18, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

It's now called Dictation Commands, and is coupled with Dictation. Enable it in 
accessibility preferences, and use it by pressing the same command you'd use to 
start dictation (press that key once more to stop). The problem is that 
VoiceOver is muted during all dictation, which now includes issuing commands, 
so even if a command works, you get no spoken feedback.
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 did they completely do away with voice commands on Yosemite? My key trigger 
 no longer works and I couldn’t find it in system preferences.
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Re: Incorrect reporting of position of insertion point in Yosemite

Hi Ann,

Thanks for the update. I’ll send a note to Apple Accessibility saying I’ve 
experienced it as well.

Anything else to report with Pages? How are those paragraph style buttons now? 
They seemed to change with every minor update to Pages under Mavericks. And I 
read that while mail merge is still not supported, Pages now has AppleScript 
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Re: Unlabelled Buttons in Mail 8.0

So do you have any idea what those buttons are?

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New souund for volume change in Yosemite

2014-10-19 Thread Cheryl Homiak

I just went into System Preferences  Sound and checked the box so that there 
will be a sound effect when the volume is being changed. It’s quite a different 
sound then before, but I think I like it.

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Re: mail in 10.10

Hi guys,
Through my involvement with this list, I have constantly heard people referred 
to classic view in mail. What is it, how do you get there? Is it different than 
the junk they released with this most recent OS?

Pam Francis

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wrote:

Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages seem to be 
marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard view they are 
all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like the fact that the 
unread status is back to the beginning of the info announced in standard view. 
Apart from this, it seems snappier than ever, but responsiveness depends on 
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Re: yosemite mail removing address in mail from the suggested list as you type

2014-10-19 Thread Cheryl Homiak

I'm not sure about the mouse click but you can arrow up and down to choose 
other addresses. Of course the recipients list is a permanent fix but I didn't 
think that was what was being asked. Vo-shift-m also does still work for some 
options but these are I think mostly editing options.


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 wrote:
 
 Yes, the previous recipients list is a good way to go. You also used to be 
 able to  bring the mouse pointer while you're typing and control-click the 
 mouse to get more options. However, under Yosemite this doesn't seem to work. 
 Although it might be that I was just doing something differently when I tried 
 it just now. Mouse clicking can often depend on a lot of variables which are 
 not obvious to VoiceOver.
 
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Re: mail in 10.10

2014-10-19 Thread christopher hallsworth

Mail is very much usable under OS X Yosemite. What makes you think it isn't? 

Sent from my iPad 

 On 19 Oct 2014, at 02:53, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Is mail any more usable in 10.10? Or will I have to keep using iOS and 
 thunderbird for that? 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I have a small lagg i think.
 Its a bit slow yes.
 Though the Yosemite update is not as disappointing as the ios 8 was.
 Not yet.
 /A
 18 okt 2014 kl. 04:28 skrev Dionipher Herrera dionip...@gmail.com:
 
 yes me too, and i hate it.
 On 18 Oct 2014, at 01:32, Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 so I took the plunge and installed Yosemite. I’m noticing a definite lag 
 with voice over. Is anyone else noticing this as well?
 I’m using Alex
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Re: yosemite mail removing address in mail from the suggested list as you type

2014-10-19 Thread Ray Foret Jr

Ah, what I think you want is to open the window menu and go in to where it says 
previous recipients.  There, you will find a table of every address you've 
sent e-mail to.  Just locate the one you want out and press the delete key.
HTH.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!

On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:19 AM, Donald Bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:

 Yes, that works, but I have a user which is no longer valid which comes up 
 while I'm typing and it's kind of distracting.  I know there's a way to get 
 rid of that address, but not sure what it is.
 
 Thanks anyway for the reply,
 Don 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I just keep typing until only the one I want is left. Doesn't this work for 
 you?
 
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 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
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 On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:03 AM, Donald Bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 Has anyone figured out how to remove a suggestion from the list as you type 
 in the to field of a new message?  
 I did this under Mavericks and either I've forgotten how to do it or the 
 procedure has changed. 
 
 Thanks,
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So Can I Assume This?

2014-10-19 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hey all. I noticed that after a certain beta version, there's no longer a 
software update option in the app store. So can I assume that there's no way to 
get that menu item back?

Shawn
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Re: Incorrect reporting of position of insertion point in Yosemite

2014-10-19 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Nick,

I’m just beginning to explore the new version of Pages, but I’m already 
horrified by the fact that I can no longer reach the menu to the right of the 
button to select a paragraph style in the table. I can therefore no longer set 
a short cut for a style. There must be some way to reach it, but I haven’t 
found it yet, but VoiceOver says: selected Heading button has alternate 
items”. Obviously, Heading is the current paragraph style. I’ve tried bringing 
the mouse and using VO-Shift-m, Ctrl-Click, double-click but nothing works.

I got a reply from Accessibility about the VO-F4-F4 issue claiming that the 
insertion point is being reported correctly, which is blatant nonsense! I’ve 
replied with further information, reminding them that the problem is system 
wide and not just in Pages. In fact, in Pages, there are things we can do to 
find out where we are on a page, but in TextEdit, such tools aren’t available 
to us.

I’m really cross about all this. Don’t they have any VO users testing iWork for 
them?

Cheers,

Anne


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 wrote:
 
 Hi Ann,
 
 Thanks for the update. I’ll send a note to Apple Accessibility saying I’ve 
 experienced it as well.
 
 Anything else to report with Pages? How are those paragraph style buttons 
 now? They seemed to change with every minor update to Pages under Mavericks. 
 And I read that while mail merge is still not supported, Pages now has 
 AppleScript support for mail merge.

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Re: FileVault speech services now available at startup on some computers

2014-10-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu

In other words, please suggest to Apple Accessibility that the firmware be made 
more accessible.  That's what we all need.

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Re: So Can I Assume This?

2014-10-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu

That menu option was removed in Yosemite, yes.  Now you must open App Store and 
choose Updates, or else open About This Mac and use the Software Update button 
in there.  Speaking of About This Mac, notice that it now takes you straight to 
the system overview in System Information, rather than another level of 
indirection.  Both of these things would seem to be waging war against 
redundant access to the same features.

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Re: How to play chess on mac?

2014-10-19 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera

i tried it but on the course it doesn't move, try to move all the eight pawns,
and the computer moves is interrupting with other voice
On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:08 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com
wrote:

I just tried making several moves, and it worked just fine. I made four moves
without issue.

On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Dionipher Herrera dionip...@gmail.com wrote:

just only by trying moving pawns one step ahead, the third pawn will not
move. try it.
On 19 Oct 2014, at 03:39, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

i already did it but the thing is some moves dont work even if its valid.
i know how to play chess so i know what was the valid moves. i dont know
why cant i move on the third and so so on.
On 18 Oct 2014, at 03:05 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Here's the written guide:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/gaming-mac-apps/playing-chess-mac

and here's the podcast:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-chess-application-which-comes-preloaded-all-mac-computers
On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:08 AM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com
wrote:

I suggest you just go to the site and search under chess.

David Griffith
On 18 Oct 2014, at 06:24, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com
wrote:

Can somebody tell me how to play chess on mac, because it seems i can
move once or twice then i can't move my again, how do i do this one,
and can you give me some advice to the voice because its interrupting
to move, thanks

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Re: Incorrect reporting of position of insertion point in Yosemite

2014-10-19 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Nick,

 On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:30, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 How are those paragraph style buttons now? They seemed to change with every 
 minor update to Pages under Mavericks.


The menu button to the right of the paragraph style name in the table is once 
more inaccessible with VO. We have to go back to using Mouse keys to find the 
menu button. After clicking with ‘i’ or 5, turn Mouse keys off again and use 
down arrow to see the menu items. Select your action with Return.

I’ve sent a bug report to Accessibility.

Cheers,

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Re: How to play chess on mac?

2014-10-19 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera

i just tried it again now, but whenever i pause to think what move should i do
that's when then moves does do anything
On 19 Oct 2014, at 02:48 pm, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com
wrote:

i tried it but on the course it doesn't move, try to move all the eight
pawns, and the computer moves i
On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:08 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com
wrote:

I just tried making several moves, and it worked just fine. I made four
moves without issue.

On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Dionipher Herrera dionip...@gmail.com wrote:

just only by trying moving pawns one step ahead, the third pawn will not
move. try it.
On 19 Oct 2014, at 03:39, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

i already did it but the thing is some moves dont work even if its valid.
i know how to play chess so i know what was the valid moves. i dont know
why cant i move on the third and so so on.
On 18 Oct 2014, at 03:05 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Here's the written guide:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/gaming-mac-apps/playing-chess-mac

I suggest you just go to the site and search under chess.

David Griffith
On 18 Oct 2014, at 06:24, Dionipher Presas Herrera
dionip...@gmail.com wrote:

Can somebody tell me how to play chess on mac, because it seems i can
move once or twice then i can't move my again, how do i do this one,
and can you give me some advice to the voice because its interrupting
to move, thanks

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Re: Enabling services in mac os x server

2014-10-19 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

Try moving the slider to 100%.  If I look at the difference between services I 
originally had enabled and those which were not, the ones that were enabled in 
Mavericks Server show as 100% and those that were not enabled show as 0%.  I’m 
guessing it is trying to look like a dimmer or light switch, I’m just not sure 
what anything between 1% and 99% would actually mean.  So, Interact with the 
slider, then VO-right to increase the slider value to 100%.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:29 PM, Tom Moore tommym2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 Does anyone have any tips on how I can enable services in the mac os x
 server app?
 I can configure the services to my liking to get them all setup and
 ready to go, but I can't figure out a way to hit the start button with
 voice over.
 The start area shows up as if it is a slider instead of a normal
 button and this doesn't seem right to me at all.
 Any help / ideas would be welcome.
 
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Re: Has Applevis Published The New VO Features Of Yosemite Yet?

With this  most recent release, I have lost all faith in Apple. In my
opinion, both iOS 8 and OS 10 10 are very sloppy. They seem to be more
concerned about release date, what looks pretty, along with how many units
they can move out of the store
That is no different than Target or Walmart. They seem to have traded
quality  for quantity and apologies why have beta testers if you're going
to put out crap in the end?
Pam . . .
1:47 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

 For me, Voiceover lagging with Alex doesn't bother me. What really has me
going is that my computer takes forever to boot up. They fixed the problem
in one of the betas, but it came back after beta 4 or 5. I have a friend
whose computer isn't booting up at all, and she had to go into recovery
mode to try to reinstall Yosemite. These aren't show stoppers for me but I
really hope Apple clears this all up in an update.

 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook

 On Oct 16, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Yes, that article went up a few hours ago. Here's the link:

http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/features-and-bugs-os-x-1010-yosemite

 On Oct 16, 2014, at 11:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
wrote:

 Hey all. Like I said in my previous message, it took three tries, but
Yosemite is finally on my Mac. I was just wondering if Applevis posted the
new VO features of Yosemite yet. I know I was a beta tester since July, but
to be honest, I didn't notice any new features at all besides the system
wide features that Apple talked about.
 As for beta testing Yosemite, it was quite the experience. I remember
with beta 2 I thought my computer would never start up, because it stayed
on the Apple screen for God knows how long. Maybe it's because this thing
is almost 4 years old, but who knows. Also in one of the betas, I think it
was either beta 3 or 4, the software update option in the Apple menu
disappeared, and even with the general public release it's not there. And
on my end at least, when booting up, I no longer hear the start up chime. I
just see the Apple logo. This started in beta 6. But one of the great
things about this version, and some of you may notice it as well, you can
see a notification that your Mac is being optomized and that it may effect
your performance and battery. I think they should've done that before
Yosemite, but I digress. Also, on my end at least, they kept the feedback
assistant app so if you have any problems, you can report them with that
app. All in all, Yosemite is awesome, and it was a pleasure beta testing it
all this summer up until now.

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Re: mail in 10.10

2014-10-19 Thread Terje Strømberg

You find «classic view» in mail preferences under viewing. In classic view you 
can use vo-j to jump from table with inboxes to the left and the actual mails 
in the inbox. Vo-j once more and you can read the content of each mail, vo-j 
back to the mail, left-right or vo-command on the expanded arrow to close and 
expand. vo-command+home to hit the «get post» button. Vo-command+end to get 
back down, then control tab to get back to tables/usually) or vo-i and type the 
inbox and hit «enter» and you are there. 

This is in Mavericks. Is this different in Yosemeti?

Take care 

19. okt. 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com:

Hi guys,
Through my involvement with this list, I have constantly heard people referred 
to classic view in mail. What is it, how do you get there? Is it different than 
the junk they released with this most recent OS?

Pam Francis

On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages seem to be 
marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard view they are 
all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like the fact that the 
unread status is back to the beginning of the info announced in standard view. 
Apart from this, it seems snappier than ever, but responsiveness depends on 
many factors and your milage may vary.

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Apple's QA (was: voice commands on yosemite)

I agree that it would be great if Apple put out a document or iBook explaining 
the accessibility and interface changes with each release. In fact, this is 
something that I have urged them to do in the past, for iOS and OS X.

I don't use iTunes much, so I can't comment on that, but I will say that I have 
not used the sidebar in that app since it became optional last year, and I have 
no problems. Spotlight is better, for me at least, than it was in 10.9. Can you 
provide an example of what you search for that gives you the unlabeled items? I 
know it might not work on my machine since our two Macs will have very 
different files on them, but if it is a web search result, I might be able to 
duplicate the problem. So far, I haven't seen anything not labeled, except the 
Maps thumbnail when a nearby business is a result.

As to Windows, consider this: when Windows 8 came out as an upgrade to Windows 
7, the interface was far, far more radically altered than is that of Yosemite 
compared to Mavericks. Windows 10 will be out next year, with yet more profound 
alterations over Windows 8. Microsoft will not release a changes document with 
an eye toward accessibility either, and since Apple doesn't force Mac users to 
upgrade, I'm not sure I see the difference here. Yes, Microsoft has much more 
public betas, so people know what to expect before release day, but the same 
information comes out within a couple days of a new OS X release. Plus, to my 
knowledge, there is no site equivalent to AppleVis for Windows, so finding out 
what changed in accessibility is more difficult.

I'm not saying Apple is perfect, and I'm not saying they don't have worse 
quality assurance than they have in the past (look at iOS8, or the simple bugs 
not caught in Yosemite). I'm not saying Windows is a worse operating system 
objectively, though it is to me personally. What I am saying is that iTunes 
still does what I need, even if it looks different, and I have no problems with 
Spotlight. It works even better than it did in Mavericks (specifically, 
navigation is more reliable and it pulls in far more information), and I have 
found no show-stopping bugs in this release.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 2:28 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Apple has so much broken this OS. I have no idea why they would think of 
 releasing it without having paid more attention to what they were doing.
 I wrote this to the accessibility email address, even though it may not be 
 totally their fault, I can't believe they don't have some input into what 
 goes into their new OS.
 
 Hello,
 I am extremely disappointed with the lack of attention paid to accessibility 
 in your latest OS10 release.
 You overhauled the look of your software, while not thinking of those of us 
 who have grown to trust you with our accessibility needs.
 I know many visually impaired beta testers, most under NDA with you per each 
 release of both desktop  IOS software.
 I realize we are a minority in the big picture of your customer base. 
 However, if one has paid money to participate in  your testers program  is 
 paid lipservice to what is reported, what good are the testers? Has the 
 quality control suffered because the upgrades are now free? 
 Aren't we as a disability community owed a description of what we can expect 
 in terms we understand? It looks pretty, but acts very much like something 
 from a crackerjack box.
 I can't get to my music in Itunes because the views I have become used to 
 have disappeared. There is no more sidebar.
 In spotlight search, which is supposed to search for references outside my 
 Mac, I hear either the words button or image in the search results.
 How is this useful to me or anyone who would try to use it with no vision?
 As I stated earlier, there are those who have been under NDA to attempt to 
 alert you of the issues before release. Those same people had enough respect 
 for their contracts to not divulge issues that may concern the rest of us. 
 However, in return we all got slapped in the face.
 There is a site that gathers bugs, along with other content. 
 In case you are interested go to www.applevis.com http://www.applevis.com/
 As has been shown, I doubt any of this will be taken to heart. 
 I can only hope.
 My next computer, if I need one will be a Windows machine. They are cheaper, 
 maybe a little buggy, yet I know what I am getting.
 Premium prices should reflect premium quality in every sense of the word.
 Pamela Francis
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 It's now called Dictation Commands, and is coupled with Dictation. Enable it 
 in accessibility preferences, and use it by pressing the same command you'd 
 use to start dictation (press that key once more to stop). The problem is 
 that VoiceOver is muted during all dictation, which now includes issuing 
 commands, so even if a command works, you get no spoken

Adding a library to iTunes?

Hi all,
I have a 64GB Macbook Air, so I don't have room for the music library I had on 
my 500GB Mac Mini. That library is still stored on my Time Machine backup 
drive, and I'd like to let iTunes access it from that drive (no, this is not a 
network-connected drive, just a USB one).

The first question is: how do I do this? The second, stickier problem is that 
this library is on a backup drive, and all the files there seem to be locked. 
How would I let iTunes modify the database? Would I need to copy something to a 
writeable part of the drive? If so, what would I copy, exactly? Or, is there a 
way to make the TM backups writeable directly? Finally, since the whole thing 
is copied to an external drive, will the file paths in the old library still 
work?

I spent a *lot* of time tagging tons of files with album, artist, and so on, 
and I really don't want to lose all that work. Plus, I'd just like access to my 
music again, and I want to really figure out iTunes12 so I can put up a guide 
to it. Thanks for any help.

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Re: Apple's QA (was: voice commands on yosemite)

Hi Alex,
I was originally attempting to search for music title on my Mac. As I did that, 
everything including email having nothing to do with what I was searching for, 
web search results that were unlabeled, also having nothing to do with what I 
was attempting to find. I gave up.
I realize in some ways that letter was not very nice, however, someone needs to 
be made aware that even though we are in my Nordie, we still have issues. If 
that both concentration is now on what makes it look pretty rather than 
functionality, they may as well did ditch accessibility. If they are not going 
to do it right, leaving us with a half-baked product, figuring we have to 
settle for whatever they give us, that's crap. I have totally lost all faith in 
them with this release. As I said in another post, they have traded quality for 
quantity and apologies. I know nothing is perfect. However I also know for the 
prices they charge, it would not hurt them to take the time to do it right. All 
the read these dates, and updates, it won't matter, unless you have a product 
worth releasing and updating.


Pam Francis

On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

I agree that it would be great if Apple put out a document or iBook explaining 
the accessibility and interface changes with each release. In fact, this is 
something that I have urged them to do in the past, for iOS and OS X.

I don't use iTunes much, so I can't comment on that, but I will say that I have 
not used the sidebar in that app since it became optional last year, and I have 
no problems. Spotlight is better, for me at least, than it was in 10.9. Can you 
provide an example of what you search for that gives you the unlabeled items? I 
know it might not work on my machine since our two Macs will have very 
different files on them, but if it is a web search result, I might be able to 
duplicate the problem. So far, I haven't seen anything not labeled, except the 
Maps thumbnail when a nearby business is a result.

As to Windows, consider this: when Windows 8 came out as an upgrade to Windows 
7, the interface was far, far more radically altered than is that of Yosemite 
compared to Mavericks. Windows 10 will be out next year, with yet more profound 
alterations over Windows 8. Microsoft will not release a changes document with 
an eye toward accessibility either, and since Apple doesn't force Mac users to 
upgrade, I'm not sure I see the difference here. Yes, Microsoft has much more 
public betas, so people know what to expect before release day, but the same 
information comes out within a couple days of a new OS X release. Plus, to my 
knowledge, there is no site equivalent to AppleVis for Windows, so finding out 
what changed in accessibility is more difficult.

I'm not saying Apple is perfect, and I'm not saying they don't have worse 
quality assurance than they have in the past (look at iOS8, or the simple bugs 
not caught in Yosemite). I'm not saying Windows is a worse operating system 
objectively, though it is to me personally. What I am saying is that iTunes 
still does what I need, even if it looks different, and I have no problems with 
Spotlight. It works even better than it did in Mavericks (specifically, 
navigation is more reliable and it pulls in far more information), and I have 
found no show-stopping bugs in this release.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 2:28 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Apple has so much broken this OS. I have no idea why they would think of 
 releasing it without having paid more attention to what they were doing.
 I wrote this to the accessibility email address, even though it may not be 
 totally their fault, I can't believe they don't have some input into what 
 goes into their new OS.
 
 Hello,
 I am extremely disappointed with the lack of attention paid to accessibility 
 in your latest OS10 release.
 You overhauled the look of your software, while not thinking of those of us 
 who have grown to trust you with our accessibility needs.
 I know many visually impaired beta testers, most under NDA with you per each 
 release of both desktop  IOS software.
 I realize we are a minority in the big picture of your customer base. 
 However, if one has paid money to participate in  your testers program  is 
 paid lipservice to what is reported, what good are the testers? Has the 
 quality control suffered because the upgrades are now free? 
 Aren't we as a disability community owed a description of what we can expect 
 in terms we understand? It looks pretty, but acts very much like something 
 from a crackerjack box.
 I can't get to my music in Itunes because the views I have become used to 
 have disappeared. There is no more sidebar.
 In spotlight search, which is supposed to search for references outside my 
 Mac, I hear either the words button or image in the search results.
 How is this useful to me or anyone who would try to use it with no vision?
 As I stated earlier, there are those

Re: How to play chess on mac?

I just tried it, and got several moves in without any problems. Do you have a
different game mode selected than you think? That might be why moves are
different.
On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com
wrote:

i just tried it again now, but whenever i pause to think what move should i
do that's when then moves does do anything
On 19 Oct 2014, at 02:48 pm, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com
mailto:dionip...@gmail.com wrote:

i tried it but on the course it doesn't move, try to move all the eight
pawns, and the computer moves i
On 19 Oct 2014, at 08:08 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com
mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com wrote:

I just tried making several moves, and it worked just fine. I made four
moves without issue.

On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Dionipher Herrera dionip...@gmail.com
mailto:dionip...@gmail.com wrote:

just only by trying moving pawns one step ahead, the third pawn will not
move. try it.
On 19 Oct 2014, at 03:39, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Well, the Mac knows the rules of the game, so perhaps there's some
obscure block you didn't notice? If not, can you give an example of a
move that should be valid, but isn't?
On Oct 18, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera
dionip...@gmail.com mailto:dionip...@gmail.com wrote:

i already did it but the thing is some moves dont work even if its
valid. i know how to play chess so i know what was the valid moves. i
dont know why cant i move on the third and so so on.
On 18 Oct 2014, at 03:05 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Here's the written guide:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/gaming-mac-apps/playing-chess-mac
http://www.applevis.com/guides/gaming-mac-apps/playing-chess-mac

and here's the podcast:
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-chess-application-which-comes-preloaded-all-mac-computers

If you search on apple vis Podcasts you will find a good detailed
guide to accessibly setting up and playing the chess app on the Mac.
I listened to it over the summer but it should still be available.

I suggest you just go to the site and search under chess.

David Griffith
On 18 Oct 2014, at 06:24, Dionipher Presas Herrera
dionip...@gmail.com mailto:dionip...@gmail.com wrote:

Can somebody tell me how to play chess on mac, because it seems i can
move once or twice then i can't move my again, how do i do this one,
and can you give me some advice to the voice because its interrupting
to move, thanks

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Re: Apple's QA (was: voice commands on yosemite)

I don't have music stored locally, but if I search for other files, they come 
up. Have you explored the Spotlight preferences (under System Preferences)? You 
can uncheck items you don't want searched, and sort the order of result types.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 I was originally attempting to search for music title on my Mac. As I did 
 that, everything including email having nothing to do with what I was 
 searching for, web search results that were unlabeled, also having nothing to 
 do with what I was attempting to find. I gave up.
 I realize in some ways that letter was not very nice, however, someone needs 
 to be made aware that even though we are in my Nordie, we still have issues. 
 If that both concentration is now on what makes it look pretty rather than 
 functionality, they may as well did ditch accessibility. If they are not 
 going to do it right, leaving us with a half-baked product, figuring we have 
 to settle for whatever they give us, that's crap. I have totally lost all 
 faith in them with this release. As I said in another post, they have traded 
 quality for quantity and apologies. I know nothing is perfect. However I also 
 know for the prices they charge, it would not hurt them to take the time to 
 do it right. All the read these dates, and updates, it won't matter, unless 
 you have a product worth releasing and updating.
 
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I agree that it would be great if Apple put out a document or iBook 
 explaining the accessibility and interface changes with each release. In 
 fact, this is something that I have urged them to do in the past, for iOS and 
 OS X.
 
 I don't use iTunes much, so I can't comment on that, but I will say that I 
 have not used the sidebar in that app since it became optional last year, and 
 I have no problems. Spotlight is better, for me at least, than it was in 
 10.9. Can you provide an example of what you search for that gives you the 
 unlabeled items? I know it might not work on my machine since our two Macs 
 will have very different files on them, but if it is a web search result, I 
 might be able to duplicate the problem. So far, I haven't seen anything not 
 labeled, except the Maps thumbnail when a nearby business is a result.
 
 As to Windows, consider this: when Windows 8 came out as an upgrade to 
 Windows 7, the interface was far, far more radically altered than is that of 
 Yosemite compared to Mavericks. Windows 10 will be out next year, with yet 
 more profound alterations over Windows 8. Microsoft will not release a 
 changes document with an eye toward accessibility either, and since Apple 
 doesn't force Mac users to upgrade, I'm not sure I see the difference here. 
 Yes, Microsoft has much more public betas, so people know what to expect 
 before release day, but the same information comes out within a couple days 
 of a new OS X release. Plus, to my knowledge, there is no site equivalent to 
 AppleVis for Windows, so finding out what changed in accessibility is more 
 difficult.
 
 I'm not saying Apple is perfect, and I'm not saying they don't have worse 
 quality assurance than they have in the past (look at iOS8, or the simple 
 bugs not caught in Yosemite). I'm not saying Windows is a worse operating 
 system objectively, though it is to me personally. What I am saying is that 
 iTunes still does what I need, even if it looks different, and I have no 
 problems with Spotlight. It works even better than it did in Mavericks 
 (specifically, navigation is more reliable and it pulls in far more 
 information), and I have found no show-stopping bugs in this release.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 2:28 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Apple has so much broken this OS. I have no idea why they would think of 
 releasing it without having paid more attention to what they were doing.
 I wrote this to the accessibility email address, even though it may not be 
 totally their fault, I can't believe they don't have some input into what 
 goes into their new OS.
 
 Hello,
 I am extremely disappointed with the lack of attention paid to accessibility 
 in your latest OS10 release.
 You overhauled the look of your software, while not thinking of those of us 
 who have grown to trust you with our accessibility needs.
 I know many visually impaired beta testers, most under NDA with you per each 
 release of both desktop  IOS software.
 I realize we are a minority in the big picture of your customer base. 
 However, if one has paid money to participate in  your testers program  is 
 paid lipservice to what is reported, what good are the testers? Has the 
 quality control suffered because the upgrades are now free? 
 Aren't we as a disability community owed a description of what we can expect 
 in terms we understand? It looks pretty, but

Re: yosemite mail removing address in mail from the suggested list as you type

2014-10-19 Thread Rachel Feinberg

Not sure if this has changed in Yosemite, but you may be able to find 
the auto-complete list that apple Mail builds within the Window menu.


On 10/18/2014 10:19 PM, Donald Bishop wrote:

Yes, that works, but I have a user which is no longer valid which comes up 
while I’m typing and it’s kind of distracting.  I know there’s a way to get rid 
of that address, but not sure what it is.

Thanks anyway for the reply,
Don

On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

I just keep typing until only the one I want is left. Doesn't this work for you?

--
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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)





On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:03 AM, Donald Bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:

Has anyone figured out how to remove a suggestion from the list as you type in 
the “to” field of a new message?
I did this under Mavericks and either I’ve forgotten how to do it or the 
procedure has changed.

Thanks,
Don

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Re: Apple's QA (was: voice commands on yosemite)

No I have not done that. I didn't know it existed. However, I shouldn't have 
to. I would think the OS would be smart enough to understand keywords, knowing 
what it was supposed to be searching for to start with.

Pam Francis

On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

I don't have music stored locally, but if I search for other files, they come 
up. Have you explored the Spotlight preferences (under System Preferences)? You 
can uncheck items you don't want searched, and sort the order of result types.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 I was originally attempting to search for music title on my Mac. As I did 
 that, everything including email having nothing to do with what I was 
 searching for, web search results that were unlabeled, also having nothing to 
 do with what I was attempting to find. I gave up.
 I realize in some ways that letter was not very nice, however, someone needs 
 to be made aware that even though we are in my Nordie, we still have issues. 
 If that both concentration is now on what makes it look pretty rather than 
 functionality, they may as well did ditch accessibility. If they are not 
 going to do it right, leaving us with a half-baked product, figuring we have 
 to settle for whatever they give us, that's crap. I have totally lost all 
 faith in them with this release. As I said in another post, they have traded 
 quality for quantity and apologies. I know nothing is perfect. However I also 
 know for the prices they charge, it would not hurt them to take the time to 
 do it right. All the read these dates, and updates, it won't matter, unless 
 you have a product worth releasing and updating.
 
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I agree that it would be great if Apple put out a document or iBook 
 explaining the accessibility and interface changes with each release. In 
 fact, this is something that I have urged them to do in the past, for iOS and 
 OS X.
 
 I don't use iTunes much, so I can't comment on that, but I will say that I 
 have not used the sidebar in that app since it became optional last year, and 
 I have no problems. Spotlight is better, for me at least, than it was in 
 10.9. Can you provide an example of what you search for that gives you the 
 unlabeled items? I know it might not work on my machine since our two Macs 
 will have very different files on them, but if it is a web search result, I 
 might be able to duplicate the problem. So far, I haven't seen anything not 
 labeled, except the Maps thumbnail when a nearby business is a result.
 
 As to Windows, consider this: when Windows 8 came out as an upgrade to 
 Windows 7, the interface was far, far more radically altered than is that of 
 Yosemite compared to Mavericks. Windows 10 will be out next year, with yet 
 more profound alterations over Windows 8. Microsoft will not release a 
 changes document with an eye toward accessibility either, and since Apple 
 doesn't force Mac users to upgrade, I'm not sure I see the difference here. 
 Yes, Microsoft has much more public betas, so people know what to expect 
 before release day, but the same information comes out within a couple days 
 of a new OS X release. Plus, to my knowledge, there is no site equivalent to 
 AppleVis for Windows, so finding out what changed in accessibility is more 
 difficult.
 
 I'm not saying Apple is perfect, and I'm not saying they don't have worse 
 quality assurance than they have in the past (look at iOS8, or the simple 
 bugs not caught in Yosemite). I'm not saying Windows is a worse operating 
 system objectively, though it is to me personally. What I am saying is that 
 iTunes still does what I need, even if it looks different, and I have no 
 problems with Spotlight. It works even better than it did in Mavericks 
 (specifically, navigation is more reliable and it pulls in far more 
 information), and I have found no show-stopping bugs in this release.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 2:28 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Apple has so much broken this OS. I have no idea why they would think of 
 releasing it without having paid more attention to what they were doing.
 I wrote this to the accessibility email address, even though it may not be 
 totally their fault, I can't believe they don't have some input into what 
 goes into their new OS.
 
 Hello,
 I am extremely disappointed with the lack of attention paid to accessibility 
 in your latest OS10 release.
 You overhauled the look of your software, while not thinking of those of us 
 who have grown to trust you with our accessibility needs.
 I know many visually impaired beta testers, most under NDA with you per each 
 release of both desktop  IOS software.
 I realize we are a minority in the big picture of your customer base. 
 However, if one has paid money to participate in  your testers program  is 
 paid lipservice to what is

Re: So Can I Assume This?

2014-10-19 Thread Phil Halton

I really wish people would stop this trend of using meaningless subject lines. 
More and more I find myself just deleting the thread without bothering to look 
what its all about. Also, it makes archive searching difficult. How hard is it 
to think of a subject line that accurately reflects the nature of your inquiry?

On Oct 19, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:

 That menu option was removed in Yosemite, yes.  Now you must open App Store 
 and choose Updates, or else open About This Mac and use the Software Update 
 button in there.  Speaking of About This Mac, notice that it now takes you 
 straight to the system overview in System Information, rather than another 
 level of indirection.  Both of these things would seem to be waging war 
 against redundant access to the same features.
 
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Re: iTunes not opening under Yosemite

2014-10-19 Thread Brianna Snyder

Hi guys, 

I fixed my issue when I did a full clean install of Yosemite. As to the problem 
of iTunes not quitting with command-Q when opening an MP3 from the Finder, I 
don’t have that issue. 

Brianna 

 On Oct 19, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hmmm, there must be another factor involved here. I am having no problem 
 quitting iTunes. Are you sure it didn't have any other processes running: 
 downloads, updating your library, etc. No dialogs. This probably doesn't make 
 sense because you would expect to get the same from the dock but it never 
 hurts to cover the bases.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 7:55 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there 
 I have no trouble at all opening iTunes, but let me tell you about the weird 
 thing of closing it. I just did command q and it works fine if I have gotten 
 iTues open from the dock. However, when I opened iTunes by calling up an mp3 
 file in Finder, iTunes refused to quit properly with command q. I had to use 
 the menu instead. Go figure. I reported this to Apple, but I didn’t know at 
 the time I did that q works fine unless called up from Finder. Maybe I’ll go 
 and update my report. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Oct 18, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Brianna Snyder briannasnyde...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 
 I updated iTunes to the latest version while under Mavericks, and then 
 upgraded my computer to Yosemite. As the subject states, I can’t open 
 iTunes, whether I try from the dock, or the applications folder. All that 
 happens is, VoiceOver just says “open”. Is anyone else having this problem? 
 I’ve logged out and then back into my account, moved my iTunes directory to 
 a new place, and even tried installing iTunes from the Apple website. 
 Still, nothing helps. Does anyone else have this problem, or is it just me? 
 
 Brianna 
 
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Re: Apple's QA (was: voice commands on yosemite)

What sort of keywords? I'll put a couple songs on this machine and try the same 
search you did, to see if I can get the same (inaccessible) results.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No I have not done that. I didn't know it existed. However, I shouldn't have 
 to. I would think the OS would be smart enough to understand keywords, 
 knowing what it was supposed to be searching for to start with.
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I don't have music stored locally, but if I search for other files, they come 
 up. Have you explored the Spotlight preferences (under System Preferences)? 
 You can uncheck items you don't want searched, and sort the order of result 
 types.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 I was originally attempting to search for music title on my Mac. As I did 
 that, everything including email having nothing to do with what I was 
 searching for, web search results that were unlabeled, also having nothing 
 to do with what I was attempting to find. I gave up.
 I realize in some ways that letter was not very nice, however, someone needs 
 to be made aware that even though we are in my Nordie, we still have issues. 
 If that both concentration is now on what makes it look pretty rather than 
 functionality, they may as well did ditch accessibility. If they are not 
 going to do it right, leaving us with a half-baked product, figuring we have 
 to settle for whatever they give us, that's crap. I have totally lost all 
 faith in them with this release. As I said in another post, they have traded 
 quality for quantity and apologies. I know nothing is perfect. However I 
 also know for the prices they charge, it would not hurt them to take the 
 time to do it right. All the read these dates, and updates, it won't matter, 
 unless you have a product worth releasing and updating.
 
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I agree that it would be great if Apple put out a document or iBook 
 explaining the accessibility and interface changes with each release. In 
 fact, this is something that I have urged them to do in the past, for iOS 
 and OS X.
 
 I don't use iTunes much, so I can't comment on that, but I will say that I 
 have not used the sidebar in that app since it became optional last year, 
 and I have no problems. Spotlight is better, for me at least, than it was in 
 10.9. Can you provide an example of what you search for that gives you the 
 unlabeled items? I know it might not work on my machine since our two Macs 
 will have very different files on them, but if it is a web search result, I 
 might be able to duplicate the problem. So far, I haven't seen anything not 
 labeled, except the Maps thumbnail when a nearby business is a result.
 
 As to Windows, consider this: when Windows 8 came out as an upgrade to 
 Windows 7, the interface was far, far more radically altered than is that of 
 Yosemite compared to Mavericks. Windows 10 will be out next year, with yet 
 more profound alterations over Windows 8. Microsoft will not release a 
 changes document with an eye toward accessibility either, and since Apple 
 doesn't force Mac users to upgrade, I'm not sure I see the difference here. 
 Yes, Microsoft has much more public betas, so people know what to expect 
 before release day, but the same information comes out within a couple days 
 of a new OS X release. Plus, to my knowledge, there is no site equivalent to 
 AppleVis for Windows, so finding out what changed in accessibility is more 
 difficult.
 
 I'm not saying Apple is perfect, and I'm not saying they don't have worse 
 quality assurance than they have in the past (look at iOS8, or the simple 
 bugs not caught in Yosemite). I'm not saying Windows is a worse operating 
 system objectively, though it is to me personally. What I am saying is that 
 iTunes still does what I need, even if it looks different, and I have no 
 problems with Spotlight. It works even better than it did in Mavericks 
 (specifically, navigation is more reliable and it pulls in far more 
 information), and I have found no show-stopping bugs in this release.
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 2:28 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Apple has so much broken this OS. I have no idea why they would think of 
 releasing it without having paid more attention to what they were doing.
 I wrote this to the accessibility email address, even though it may not be 
 totally their fault, I can't believe they don't have some input into what 
 goes into their new OS.
 
 Hello,
 I am extremely disappointed with the lack of attention paid to 
 accessibility in your latest OS10 release.
 You overhauled the look of your software, while not thinking of those of

Re: Apple's QA (was: voice commands on yosemite)