Re: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

Thanks first of all for replying.

I've failed miserable to install Windows 7 under bootcamp in El Capitan.  I 
think that part of the problem is Bootcamp in El Capitan which seems to work 
differently to all the descriptions I have seen here on the list and on Apple's 
pages.  When I start the process, I only ever get two checkboxes.  The first is 
to download the appropriate drivers onto the usb flash drive formatted with Ms 
dos FAT and the scheme needs to be set to master boot record.  Then there is 
only one more checkbox to install Windows 7.  The drivers were duly downloaded 
and put onto the flash drive.  Then on the second screen I again only have two 
checkboxes: first is unchecked as default because the drivers are already 
installed onto the flash drive, and the second is checked by default to do with 
installing Windows.  I first thought I could install from iso file but I was 
wrong.  Bootcamp wasn't seeing the iso file and kept returning an error 
message.  So I then found the original Windows 7 disk, inserted it into the 
super drive and the installation went ahead.  The mac drive was divided and 
computer restarted.  From there, I needed sighted assistance.  There was a 
message on the screen to decide onto which partition to install Windows.  There 
were 4 partitions to choose from.  It really confused me because there was only 
one with the name bootcamp in it and when I chose - or rather the sighted 
friend - to install on it - I got an error message.  I became worried I might 
destroy my mac partition by not knowing what I was doing and I aborted the 
process and thankfully via bootcamp returned my mac to its original state.  I'm 
not so keen on doing the installation again.  Many of the Apple support pages 
on the subject of Windows 7 installation with bootcamp are for previous 
versions of bootcamp.  My version of bootcamp in El Capitan is 6.  I'm really 
frustrated that sometimes Apple just makes things so automated that one can't 
make any choices.

So that's my story of woes.

Best wishes to everyone

Andrew
> On 12 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Pablo Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
> I fought with this for several weeks before I figured out that my particular 
> Mac needed me to download the drivers from Apple.
> I had to create the bootable USB drive.
> It’s said you need a 16GB flash drive, and that’s what I got, but not sure 
> why that size.
> 1. Go in to Bootcamp utility.
> 2. check the first 2 boxes to create the installation media, and to download 
> latest drivers from Apple.( this 2nd box is unavailable so is not changeable) 
> The 3rd box should be unchecked as you do not want to completely install just 
> yet.
> With some Macs this is all you had to do and you could check that 3rd box and 
> complete the installation, but in my case, I had to download the drivers from 
> apple and add them to the newly created flash drive installer.
> Once you have downloaded the drivers from Apple for your specific Mac, you 
> can copy and paste the “Bootcamp” and “$WinPEDriver$” folders to the main 
> area of your newly created Windows installer.
> Now you can go back in to Bootcamp utility and uncheck the first 2 boxes and 
> check only the 3rd, and complete installation of Windows.
> 
> I do not know this for sure, but I think it has to do with the SSD’s in the 
> newer Macs. I also think most of the problems are installing Windows 7, and I 
> suspect the proper drivers are just not available on the Win 7 disk.
> 
> I hope this helps someone, and please let me know if I need to clarify 
> anything. Wrote this quickly.
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When installing Windows 7 in bootcamp from ISO, is it necessary to manually 
>> get the appropriate Apple drivers for windows, or will Bootcamp get them 
>> automatically and install them?
>> 
>> I've been poring through help pages and I can see confusing info.  
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
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SV: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

[mattias jonsson]

No you must have a install cd to install windows

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Ämne: Re: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

Andrew,
I fought with this for several weeks before I figured out that my particular 
Mac needed me to download the drivers from Apple.
I had to create the bootable USB drive.
It’s said you need a 16GB flash drive, and that’s what I got, but not sure why 
that size.
1. Go in to Bootcamp utility.
2. check the first 2 boxes to create the installation media, and to download 
latest drivers from Apple.( this 2nd box is unavailable so is not changeable) 
The 3rd box should be unchecked as you do not want to completely install just 
yet.
With some Macs this is all you had to do and you could check that 3rd box and 
complete the installation, but in my case, I had to download the drivers from 
apple and add them to the newly created flash drive installer.
Once you have downloaded the drivers from Apple for your specific Mac, you can 
copy and paste the “Bootcamp” and “$WinPEDriver$” folders to the main area of 
your newly created Windows installer.
Now you can go back in to Bootcamp utility and uncheck the first 2 boxes and 
check only the 3rd, and complete installation of Windows.

I do not know this for sure, but I think it has to do with the SSD’s in the 
newer Macs. I also think most of the problems are installing Windows 7, and I 
suspect the proper drivers are just not available on the Win 7 disk.

I hope this helps someone, and please let me know if I need to clarify 
anything. Wrote this quickly.


On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When installing Windows 7 in bootcamp from ISO, is it necessary to manually 
> get the appropriate Apple drivers for windows, or will Bootcamp get them 
> automatically and install them?
> 
> I've been poring through help pages and I can see confusing info.  
> 
> Many thanks
> 
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Re: I'll be incredibly terse, I promise! Sweetspots are not working.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Hotspots work pretty consistently for me in 10.11. Yes, there has been times 
where hotspots have been lost but, its been a rare thing for me. maybe 2 or 3 
times that I can recall.
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Just to add, hotspots don't work for me in El Capitan at all.  I set them and 
> maybe I would use a hotspot once and then they stop working.  I kept 
> reporting it to Apple during beta testing but they never fixed the feature.  
> I do miss them.  It's quite frustrating.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 12 Jan 2016, at 08:52, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for your response. It is greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> It's good to know that I am not the only one having this problem. I mean… 
>> Let me rephrase… It is good, but it is not good. If you know what I mean. 
>> it's good in the sense that I know I'm not crazy. It is not good in the 
>> sense that Apple really needs to either remove this feature altogether, or 
>> they need to get it fixed. It seems like if I remember correctly, it didn't 
>> work in Mountain lion, but that's been quite a while back. it might have 
>> work in the lien. I don't honestly remember, in this feeble brain of mine 
>> right now is too tired to analyze things.
>> 
>> sorry for the typos. I'm using Siri right now.
>> 
>> Anyway… Take care, and again, thank you for the help.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 22:05, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have found Sweet Spots to be quite inconsistent and I don’t recall them 
>>> working at all in Yosemite. I honestly haven’t tried them in El Capitan 
>>> because I thought Apple had gotten rid of them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 El Capitan 10.11.2.
 
 1.  Open Safari, and hit command+L.
 
 2.  Navigate to
 
 http://www.learningalley.org
 
 3.  VO+right arrow to the login link.
 
 4.  Press vo+Command+shift+right bracket right bracket to set the 
 sweetspot at that location.
 
 4.  Press command+L, then navigate to a different web site of your choice.
 
 5.  Press command+L to navigate back to the learning Alley web site.  
 Again:
 
 http://www.learningalley.org
 
 6.  Notice that Voiceover doesn't automatically focus you on the login 
 link, nor on any other link you might instead set up as the sweetspot.
 
 Note:  Apple Accessibility tried over the phone working with me on this, 
 and they reproduced the exact same behavior consistently, not just on the 
 Learning Alley web site, but on others as well.
 
 Is this a bug?  or is it that I'm not fully grasping the concept of 
 Sweetspots.
 
 For further reading, refver to the Voiceover user's guide, chapter 6.
 
 Chris.
 
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Re: I'll be incredibly terse, I promise! Sweetspots are not working.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree.

And remember, we're talking two different things here.  Hotspots are not the 
same as webspots.  I mean, they kind of are, in a sense, but not exactly.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ricardo Walker" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: I'll be incredibly terse, I promise! Sweetspots are not 
working.



Hi,

Hotspots work pretty consistently for me in 10.11. Yes, there has been times 
where hotspots have been lost but, its been a rare thing for me. maybe 2 or 
3 times that I can recall.

On Jan 12, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Just to add, hotspots don't work for me in El Capitan at all.  I set them 
and maybe I would use a hotspot once and then they stop working.  I kept 
reporting it to Apple during beta testing but they never fixed the 
feature.  I do miss them.  It's quite frustrating.


Andrew

On 12 Jan 2016, at 08:52, Chris Gilland  wrote:

John,

Thank you so much for your response. It is greatly appreciated.

It's good to know that I am not the only one having this problem. I mean… 
Let me rephrase… It is good, but it is not good. If you know what I mean. 
it's good in the sense that I know I'm not crazy. It is not good in the 
sense that Apple really needs to either remove this feature altogether, 
or they need to get it fixed. It seems like if I remember correctly, it 
didn't work in Mountain lion, but that's been quite a while back. it 
might have work in the lien. I don't honestly remember, in this feeble 
brain of mine right now is too tired to analyze things.


sorry for the typos. I'm using Siri right now.

Anyway… Take care, and again, thank you for the help.

Chris.



Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 11, 2016, at 22:05, John Panarese  wrote:

I have found Sweet Spots to be quite inconsistent and I don’t recall 
them working at all in Yosemite. I honestly haven’t tried them in El 
Capitan because I thought Apple had gotten rid of them.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


El Capitan 10.11.2.

1.  Open Safari, and hit command+L.

2.  Navigate to

http://www.learningalley.org

3.  VO+right arrow to the login link.

4.  Press vo+Command+shift+right bracket right bracket to set the 
sweetspot at that location.


4.  Press command+L, then navigate to a different web site of your 
choice.


5.  Press command+L to navigate back to the learning Alley web site. 
Again:


http://www.learningalley.org

6.  Notice that Voiceover doesn't automatically focus you on the login 
link, nor on any other link you might instead set up as the sweetspot.


Note:  Apple Accessibility tried over the phone working with me on 
this, and they reproduced the exact same behavior consistently, not 
just on the Learning Alley web site, but on others as well.


Is this a bug?  or is it that I'm not fully grasping the concept of 
Sweetspots.


For further reading, refver to the Voiceover user's guide, chapter 6.

Chris.

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Re: Checking app availability

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Interesting.

I'll definitely have to look more into that.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Berwick 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: Checking app availability


  I have looked into this briefly, and I think that you can use WhatsApp 
through their website--if you authorize it with your phone.  I believe you have 
to scan a bar code on their website to allow you to use the browser to access 
your WhatsApp chats.


  Jeff


On Jan 13, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


This might sound like a dumb question, but, is Whatsapp only available on I 
O S, or can I get a version as well for my mac?

Chris.


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Checking app availability

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This might sound like a dumb question, but, is Whatsapp only available on I O 
S, or can I get a version as well for my mac?

Chris.

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Re: Cutting the cable

[Scott Granados]

Just to ad to that, if you have T-Mobile you’re automatically opted in to a 
service that gives free streaming to certain locations like Netflix.  This 
being said, they also massively manipulate your data stream to these sites and 
you’re not getting the rate you think. So if you want true uninterrupted video 
with the right bit rate you’ll want to turn this feature off which is free to 
do.

So just be careful and understand what you’re using.



> On Jan 13, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Nora  wrote:
> 
> I did away with my cable 2 years ago and only have Internet at my house via 
> iPhone hotspot  (T-Mobile) . I have been happy but I do not do much 
> streaming. I think if my tmobile signal was stronger I would stream more 
> video; FYI  if T-mobile is your provider,  you can do Netflix streaming that 
> will not count on your data usage. 
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Re: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

BootCamp Assistant shows different checkboxes depending on whether or not your 
Mac has a built-in (or formerly had a built-in) optical drive.  If you have, 
you don’t get the chance to use an ISO.  Typically USB boot (from MBR) is not 
supported on these models, so you will need the optical drive, one way or the 
other.  Unfortunately, yes, BootCamp Help assumes a modern Mac with no optical 
drive, and simply doesn’t cover the case where you do not.  That’s progress, 
you know. :)

You install onto the partition called “BOOTCAMP”, formatting it first to NTFS 
in Windows Setup.  You do not under any circumstances try to adjust the 
partition tables.  A separate, more involved process is used to get Windows 
onto your Mac without a copy of OS X, which is unsupported by Apple.

There is a hack by which means you can trick BootCamp Assistant into thinking 
you have a modern Mac so you end up with a bootable USB drive.  If you fancy 
giving it a try, and don’t mind adjusting XML files in TextEdit and re-signing 
the app, then I’ll see if I can’t help you with that.  It isn’t actually 
guaranteed to work, though.

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Cutting the cable

[Nora]

I did away with my cable 2 years ago and only have Internet at my house via 
iPhone hotspot  (T-Mobile) . I have been happy but I do not do much streaming. 
I think if my tmobile signal was stronger I would stream more video; FYI  if 
T-mobile is your provider,  you can do Netflix streaming that will not count on 
your data usage. 

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Re: Checking app availability

[Jeff Berwick]

I have looked into this briefly, and I think that you can use WhatsApp through 
their website--if you authorize it with your phone.  I believe you have to scan 
a bar code on their website to allow you to use the browser to access your 
WhatsApp chats.

Jeff

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> This might sound like a dumb question, but, is Whatsapp only available on I O 
> S, or can I get a version as well for my mac?
>  
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Re: Airplay drives me nuts.

[Vaughn Brown]

I am sorry to hear this and do not have an answer. But I have a
question of my own. How do I turn off airplay? Everytime I play a song
in iTunes is keeps saying that the airplay is not connected to my
airport express.
I already have a setup to play my music through speakers and thus do
not need airplay.
Thanks,
Vaughn

On 1/12/16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> I don’t know what is going on here.
> My Mac Mini plays fine on my airport express connected to my stereo.
> However i have tried my Macbook Air which is newer and had the Latest el
> Capitan installed on it.
> It does not work as good as my Mac mini with a newer beta of El Capitan but
> the computer  than this.
> On my Macbook the sound is very choppy and i can not stand listening to it.
> And yes i have been trying to move the macbook around my appartment but it
> does not help.
> Have also tried to replace the airport device as much as possible.
> Does not help.
> I am very irritated and sad and hoped such things would have been fixed in
> newer versions.
> Things works great with ios devices on my airplay system so i don’t know.
> /Aitself is older.
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issue from a friend

[Denise Barajas]

Hello all,
I recently was talking to a friend of mine who claims to be having issues when 
trying to copy and paste text from the Internet fromhis Mac onto a different 
location. I heard him try and mess with the command, but Voiceover kept 
repeating the first thing he was selecting all the time, and we made sure that 
things like quick nav were off and the like. I believe he's using a Macbook Pro 
2013 but he is also using the latest version of Yosemeti. He's tried to restart 
the machine and VO, but to no avail. If any suggestions could be offered, that 
would greatly be appreciated.
Blessings to oyou all.
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Re: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Sabahattin,

Thanks for this.  I'd better not attempt anything as ambitious as you hinted 
at: I have far too little knowhow in programming.

you mentioned that the bootcamp partition onto which Windows 7 should have been 
installed should have been partitioned prior as ntf.  I kind of assumed that 
Bootcamp would have done it before asking me on to which partition I wished to 
install Windows.  I think I'd better leave this until I have understood the 
process better.  By the way, when reading various support pages, is there a way 
of ascertaining how old the info on such pages is?  This is rather crucial 
since we are now on El Capitan, and the recommended Bootcamp version for my 
macbook air late 2010 was 4.4 and yet El Capitan has a later version of 
Bootcamp, i.e. Bootcamp 6.  So obviously the page where I got the info from 
can't have been the most recent one.  Goodness knows whether Apple updates 
these pages or not.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 13 Jan 2016, at 20:28, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> BootCamp Assistant shows different checkboxes depending on whether or not 
> your Mac has a built-in (or formerly had a built-in) optical drive.  If you 
> have, you don’t get the chance to use an ISO.  Typically USB boot (from MBR) 
> is not supported on these models, so you will need the optical drive, one way 
> or the other.  Unfortunately, yes, BootCamp Help assumes a modern Mac with no 
> optical drive, and simply doesn’t cover the case where you do not.  That’s 
> progress, you know. :)
> 
> You install onto the partition called “BOOTCAMP”, formatting it first to NTFS 
> in Windows Setup.  You do not under any circumstances try to adjust the 
> partition tables.  A separate, more involved process is used to get Windows 
> onto your Mac without a copy of OS X, which is unsupported by Apple.
> 
> There is a hack by which means you can trick BootCamp Assistant into thinking 
> you have a modern Mac so you end up with a bootable USB drive.  If you fancy 
> giving it a try, and don’t mind adjusting XML files in TextEdit and 
> re-signing the app, then I’ll see if I can’t help you with that.  It isn’t 
> actually guaranteed to work, though.
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Re: mac and firefox?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I think 
they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me started on 
that rant!


2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.

3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work 
successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio demo, as 
no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.


So, I'm still not sure.

Chris.

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From: "Maria Chapman" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: mac and firefox?


HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to 
use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I 
can get to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.

ps:
does web Visum work on the iPhone?
thanks
Maria

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Re: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

Ah, how strange!  When I was researching what version of Windows I could run on 
my late 2010 macbook air, the highest version I found was windows 7.  I 
understood that I just could not run windows 10.  Otherwise I would have gone 
for windows 10. 

Thanks for this

Andrew
> On 13 Jan 2016, at 22:10, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
>   You might need to call Apple to verify this. Information I found indicates 
> that El Capitan on your model Mac will only support Windows 8 or newer
> 
>   IF you already had Windows 7 installed under Bootcamp, then this would 
> work. So this means that as a NEW installation, Windows 7 is not supported. 
> That would explain what happened. Not what you wanted to hear.
> 
>   Would Windows 10 work for you? I am still using Yosemite and Windows 7. I 
> have 2 apps that will not work under 10.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 1/13/2016 1:46 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>> That was exactly part of the confusion: I did put the iso file on the 
>> desktop as I had read something to that effect in some of the support pages. 
>>  But bootcamp 6 on my late 2010 macbook air would not even recognise it and 
>> there was no option to point it to the iso file.  It insisted on having a 
>> physical disk in the drive.  So in the end I did insert a genuine physical 
>> windows 7 disk into my external usb super drive and the process proceeded up 
>> until I chose the partition with bootcamp from the list onto which to 
>> install windows and to my horror a message came up that windows could not be 
>> installed onto this partition.  Att that point, mindful of my ignorance, I 
>> thought it better to abort the process rather than risk damage to my macbook 
>> air.  Maybe bootcamp 6 is designed in such a way so as not to allow 
>> installations from iso in El Capitan.  Apple may have decided to protect 
>> users like myself from playing around too much. :)
>> 
>> Many thanks for your responses, everyone.  I think I will give it a rest for 
>> a while.  Got a bit scared.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 13 Jan 2016, at 17:20, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Where did you put the ISO file? Desktop would be a good place. Bootcamp 
>>> partition is the one that you want.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 1/13/2016 12:54 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Thanks first of all for replying.
 
 I've failed miserable to install Windows 7 under bootcamp in El Capitan.  
 I think that part of the problem is Bootcamp in El Capitan which seems to 
 work differently to all the descriptions I have seen here on the list and 
 on Apple's pages.  When I start the process, I only ever get two 
 checkboxes.  The first is to download the appropriate drivers onto the usb 
 flash drive formatted with Ms dos FAT and the scheme needs to be set to 
 master boot record.  Then there is only one more checkbox to install 
 Windows 7.  The drivers were duly downloaded and put onto the flash drive. 
  Then on the second screen I again only have two checkboxes: first is 
 unchecked as default because the drivers are already installed onto the 
 flash drive, and the second is checked by default to do with installing 
 Windows.  I first thought I could install from iso file but I was wrong.  
 Bootcamp wasn't seeing the iso file and kept returning an error message.  
 So I then found the original Windows 7 disk, inserted
> i
>>> t into the super drive and the installation went ahead.  The mac drive was 
>>> divided and computer restarted.  From there, I needed sighted assistance.  
>>> There was a message on the screen to decide onto which partition to install 
>>> Windows.  There were 4 partitions to choose from.  It really confused me 
>>> because there was only one with the name bootcamp in it and when I chose - 
>>> or rather the sighted friend - to install on it - I got an error message.  
>>> I became worried I might destroy my mac partition by not knowing what I was 
>>> doing and I aborted the process and thankfully via bootcamp returned my mac 
>>> to its original state.  I'm not so keen on doing the installation again.  
>>> Many of the Apple support pages on the subject of Windows 7 installation 
>>> with bootcamp are for previous versions of bootcamp.  My version of 
>>> bootcamp in El Capitan is 6.  I'm really frustrated that sometimes Apple 
>>> just makes things so automated that one can't make any choices.
 
 So that's my story of woes.
 
 Best wishes to everyone
 
 Andrew
> On 12 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Pablo Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> Andrew,
> I fought with this for several weeks before I figured out that my 
> 

Adding items not running to the dock?

[Keith Hinton]

Hi folks,
I'm curious, but how does somebody go about adding an application that
might not currently be running to the dock?

The dock is a feature of OS Ten despite having used OS Ten for over
two years now that I've never really used.
Usually, I've always gone in to the applications area and launched an
application with command-O.
I'd like to start adding other applications other than Mail, Safari,
etc to the Dock though for faster access.

VMware Fusion is an application that I tend to do serious Windows work
in for quite a lot of things.
So, how might I go about adding Fusion to the dock for example for
faster productivity?

Thanks,
Keith

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RE: Adding items not running to the dock?

[Anatoliy Popko]

Keith,

Control+Command+t is the shortcut (press when the focus is in Finder on the 
application you need).

Sidenote: I also haven't really figured out a place for the Doc in my user 
experience. Seems like not much key combinations to save: Command+Shift+a + 
first letter navigation or VO+d + first letter navigation.

If anyone has a practical use (not just a habitual user pattern) for the Doc, 
please, share. Actually, the same holds true for the Launchpad.

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Subject: Adding items not running to the dock?

Hi folks,
I'm curious, but how does somebody go about adding an application that might 
not currently be running to the dock?

The dock is a feature of OS Ten despite having used OS Ten for over two years 
now that I've never really used.
Usually, I've always gone in to the applications area and launched an 
application with command-O.
I'd like to start adding other applications other than Mail, Safari, etc to the 
Dock though for faster access.

VMware Fusion is an application that I tend to do serious Windows work in for 
quite a lot of things.
So, how might I go about adding Fusion to the dock for example for faster 
productivity?

Thanks,
Keith

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Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Once Again,

In my other two messages about my saga with my upgrade to VMware 8, I've
explained how I successfully got past the problems with VMware's
reliance on Cisco Webex for remote access. I've also described the
partial success VMware Tech Support had fixing my issue. Windows works,
Linux does not. Bummer -- but that's another thread.

VMware seems to have broken my Mac key mappings. Most noticable case in
point ...

Command+M no longer takes me to the menu bar. Rather Vo responds "Minimize."
If I want the menu bar, I have to do Ctrl+F2, a more awkward gesture.

There are other mapping issues as well. For instance, I can't seem to
actually get my keyboard into the Windows vm. I seem stuck in the VMware
chrome on the Mac. I'll have to hack at this one.

Anyone know, or have a thought of what might have happened here? How do
I get my familiar Apple mappings back?

Thanks in advance for any help on this one particularly.

Janina

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mac and firefox?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to use 
web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I can get 
to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.
ps:
does web Visum work on the iPhone?
thanks
Maria

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Re: Unresponsive text input field [Was: No sound in vm's after upgrading to VMware 8]

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, I have an update on my VMware 8 problem. I'll respond on this thread
about the problem allowing VMware Support to remotely access my machine
...

It turned out Firefox wasn't of help anymore than Safari or
Google-Chrome. We resolved the problem by having the VMware tech email
me a complete URI that included the particulars. That allowed me past
that part of the process and into the menu where I could allow them
access.

Unfortunately, the problems didn't end there. Once the Cisco Webex
screen was up, I had to work around buttons without labels. Fortunately,
the menu bar provided another way to allow VMware to start the remote
session. Interestingly, it came with a keyboard shortcut.

More in my other response.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> 
> > On 7 Jan 2016, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It’s been a long time!
> > Yes, indeed. Very good to hear from you. Hoping all is well!
> >> It is thanks. I hope all is good for you too.
> 
> 
> 
> >> I just tried the link and typed a number in that field. Use the tab key. 
> >> No need to use that interacting behaviour.
> > Thanks for checking it out. Perhaps it's some kind of artifact of my
> > being on El Capitan? I've tab'd, and tried both with and without
> > VO+Shift+Down. I get nothing with Safari or Chrome. I was successful
> > with Firefox, so maybe that will suffice when next I talk with VMware.
> > 
> I’m glad you have a solution. It can be very difficult for us to undertake a 
> task that most of the world consider to be a job that takes just a few 
> seconds. 
> 
> > I had a look at the source code. It's wall to wall javascript, and I've
> > heard Apple employees complain about how Cisco products underperform on
> > Mac platforms.
> > 
> I see, I didn’t know that. It’s been a long time since I observed raw source.
> 
> > Thanks again for the sanity check.
> > 
> No problem. Please keep us informed what these audio issues are. I Was about 
> to invest in Fusion 8 as I’m missing using K1000 and considering going the 
> virtual route.
> 
> >> All the best
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 6 Jan 2016, at 01:43, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, All:
> >>> 
> >>> I was just on the phone with VMware tech support. The idea was that we
> >>> would establish a Webex session that would allow the tech access to my
> >>> Airbook to figure out, hopefully, what's wrong with the sound in my
> >>> virtual machines.
> >>> 
> >>> I was unable to get him on. Per his instructions, I opened Safari to
> >>> http://vmware.webex.com and attempted to put his 9 digit code in the
> >>> edit text field. I believe I was correctly focused on the field, but my
> >>> typing did nothing. No chars were echoed, nor did any end up in the
> >>> field.
> >>> 
> >>> Anyone have a thought on what I might be doing wrong? I did the usual
> >>> VO plus down arrow, and Voice told me I was interacting with the field.
> >>> But nothing happened. No chars entered, no chars echoed.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Meanwhile, I'm having no problems typing in any other field within
> >>> Safari, on http://ddg.gg, for instance. VO works as expected there.
> >>> 
> >>> Frustrating.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Janina Sajka writes:
>  Hi, All:
>  
>  I've been happily using VMware 7 with both a Windows 7 and Linux virtual
>  machines. I have recently upgraded to the latest VMware 8 Fusion and no 
>  longer
>  get sound in my vm's. My Apple is latest release of El Capitain.
>  
>  The sound devices are showing selected. I know my Linux vm is running
>  correctly because I can ssh in. It's local audio settings are correct as
>  confirmed via the amixer command.
>  
>  Before I ask VMware for help, I'm wondering whether anyone else has
>  bumped into this annoyance?
>  
>  Thanks in advance!
>  
>  Janina
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Re: mac and firefox?

[Devin Prater]

Yeah. Firefox is okay, but for such a great blind developer on the team, it 
can't even display page-loading progress bars on Windows. So don't expect the 
great Firefox to become accessible any time soon. Yes, you can use Webvisum 
still, but with the added security risks associated with enabling unsigned 
addons all across the board. Why Firefox, of all companies, are taking this 
Apple-like lockdown is beyond me, but ah well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> I'm backing Chris entirely.  
> 1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims to the 
> contrary not withstanding.
> 
> 2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.  Not even 
> windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
> www.skipinput.com
> is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for Mac users, 
> it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone by the wayside 
> quite some time ago.
> 
> 
> 
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I think 
>> they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me started on 
>> that rant!
>> 
>> 2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.
>> 
>> 3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work 
>> successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio demo, as 
>> no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.
>> 
>> So, I'm still not sure.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
>> Subject: mac and firefox?
>> 
>> 
>> HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
>> accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to 
>> use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I 
>> can get to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.
>> ps:
>> does web Visum work on the iPhone?
>> thanks
>> Maria
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Re: No sound in vm's after upgrading to VMware 8

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, My second update on my problem with of no sound in my virtual
machines after upgrading to VMware 8.

After getting through the issues of allowing VMware support remote
access to my Airbook, the problem for Windows 7 was solved fairly
easily. There was apparently a screen popup that I had never encountered
relating to updating the VMware Tools for this virtual machine. Once
that was done, NVDA and all system sounds worked as expected. I have now
cloned my Win7 machine and expect to do an upgrade to Win10 in the next
day or so.

There was no success getting sound working for my Fedora 22 virtual
machine. Reinstalling the VMware Tools for Linux did not solve the
problem. The machine launches and appears to be running, but no sound is
communicated to the Airbook's audio device. I can ssh into the machine
and ascertain that all the alsa settings are correct. An apaly command
behaves as though sound were playing--but no sound eminates. Nor is
espeak speaking.

As my support person was apparently at the end of their knowledge for
Linux vms, I decided not to worry so much about fixing this particular
machine, but to take another tack toward a possible solution.

I will try a fresh Fedora (or possibly an Arch) install this weekend. If
that works, I won't mind deleting the now out of date Fedora.

So, more news to come in this saga.

Meanwhile, I realize I have a third issue as a result of VMware's remote
tinkering. Guess I'll start another thread for that one ...

Janina

Janina Sajka writes:
> Hi, All:
> 
> I've been happily using VMware 7 with both a Windows 7 and Linux virtual
> machines. I have recently upgraded to the latest VMware 8 Fusion and no longer
> get sound in my vm's. My Apple is latest release of El Capitain.
> 
> The sound devices are showing selected. I know my Linux vm is running
> correctly because I can ssh in. It's local audio settings are correct as
> confirmed via the amixer command.
> 
> Before I ask VMware for help, I'm wondering whether anyone else has
> bumped into this annoyance?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Janina
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Re: mac and firefox?

[Ray Foret Jr]

I'm backing Chris entirely.  
1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims to the 
contrary not withstanding.

2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.  Not even 
windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
www.skipinput.com
is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for Mac users, 
it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone by the wayside quite 
some time ago.



!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> 1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I think 
> they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me started on 
> that rant!
> 
> 2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.
> 
> 3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work 
> successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio demo, as 
> no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.
> 
> So, I'm still not sure.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
> Subject: mac and firefox?
> 
> 
> HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
> accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to use 
> web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I can 
> get to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.
> ps:
> does web Visum work on the iPhone?
> thanks
> Maria
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Re: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

[Andrew Lamanche]

That was exactly part of the confusion: I did put the iso file on the desktop 
as I had read something to that effect in some of the support pages.  But 
bootcamp 6 on my late 2010 macbook air would not even recognise it and there 
was no option to point it to the iso file.  It insisted on having a physical 
disk in the drive.  So in the end I did insert a genuine physical windows 7 
disk into my external usb super drive and the process proceeded up until I 
chose the partition with bootcamp from the list onto which to install windows 
and to my horror a message came up that windows could not be installed onto 
this partition.  Att that point, mindful of my ignorance, I thought it better 
to abort the process rather than risk damage to my macbook air.  Maybe bootcamp 
6 is designed in such a way so as not to allow installations from iso in El 
Capitan.  Apple may have decided to protect users like myself from playing 
around too much. :)

Many thanks for your responses, everyone.  I think I will give it a rest for a 
while.  Got a bit scared.

Andrew
> On 13 Jan 2016, at 17:20, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Where did you put the ISO file? Desktop would be a good place. Bootcamp 
> partition is the one that you want.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 1/13/2016 12:54 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks first of all for replying.
>> 
>> I've failed miserable to install Windows 7 under bootcamp in El Capitan.  I 
>> think that part of the problem is Bootcamp in El Capitan which seems to work 
>> differently to all the descriptions I have seen here on the list and on 
>> Apple's pages.  When I start the process, I only ever get two checkboxes.  
>> The first is to download the appropriate drivers onto the usb flash drive 
>> formatted with Ms dos FAT and the scheme needs to be set to master boot 
>> record.  Then there is only one more checkbox to install Windows 7.  The 
>> drivers were duly downloaded and put onto the flash drive.  Then on the 
>> second screen I again only have two checkboxes: first is unchecked as 
>> default because the drivers are already installed onto the flash drive, and 
>> the second is checked by default to do with installing Windows.  I first 
>> thought I could install from iso file but I was wrong.  Bootcamp wasn't 
>> seeing the iso file and kept returning an error message.  So I then found 
>> the original Windows 7 disk, inserted i
> t into the super drive and the installation went ahead.  The mac drive was 
> divided and computer restarted.  From there, I needed sighted assistance.  
> There was a message on the screen to decide onto which partition to install 
> Windows.  There were 4 partitions to choose from.  It really confused me 
> because there was only one with the name bootcamp in it and when I chose - or 
> rather the sighted friend - to install on it - I got an error message.  I 
> became worried I might destroy my mac partition by not knowing what I was 
> doing and I aborted the process and thankfully via bootcamp returned my mac 
> to its original state.  I'm not so keen on doing the installation again.  
> Many of the Apple support pages on the subject of Windows 7 installation with 
> bootcamp are for previous versions of bootcamp.  My version of bootcamp in El 
> Capitan is 6.  I'm really frustrated that sometimes Apple just makes things 
> so automated that one can't make any choices.
>> 
>> So that's my story of woes.
>> 
>> Best wishes to everyone
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 12 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Pablo Sandoval  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andrew,
>>> I fought with this for several weeks before I figured out that my 
>>> particular Mac needed me to download the drivers from Apple.
>>> I had to create the bootable USB drive.
>>> It’s said you need a 16GB flash drive, and that’s what I got, but not sure 
>>> why that size.
>>> 1. Go in to Bootcamp utility.
>>> 2. check the first 2 boxes to create the installation media, and to 
>>> download latest drivers from Apple.( this 2nd box is unavailable so is not 
>>> changeable) The 3rd box should be unchecked as you do not want to 
>>> completely install just yet.
>>> With some Macs this is all you had to do and you could check that 3rd box 
>>> and complete the installation, but in my case, I had to download the 
>>> drivers from apple and add them to the newly created flash drive installer.
>>> Once you have downloaded the drivers from Apple for your specific Mac, you 
>>> can copy and paste the “Bootcamp” and “$WinPEDriver$” folders to the main 
>>> area of your newly created Windows installer.
>>> Now you can go back in to Bootcamp utility and uncheck the first 2 boxes 
>>> and check only the 3rd, and complete installation of Windows.
>>> 
>>> I do not know this for sure, but I think it has to do with the SSD’s in the 
>>> newer Macs. I also think most of the 

Re: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

[E.T.]

Andrew,
   You might need to call Apple to verify this. Information I found 
indicates that El Capitan on your model Mac will only support Windows 8 
or newer


   IF you already had Windows 7 installed under Bootcamp, then this 
would work. So this means that as a NEW installation, Windows 7 is not 
supported. That would explain what happened. Not what you wanted to hear.


   Would Windows 10 work for you? I am still using Yosemite and Windows 
7. I have 2 apps that will not work under 10.


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On 1/13/2016 1:46 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

That was exactly part of the confusion: I did put the iso file on the desktop 
as I had read something to that effect in some of the support pages.  But 
bootcamp 6 on my late 2010 macbook air would not even recognise it and there 
was no option to point it to the iso file.  It insisted on having a physical 
disk in the drive.  So in the end I did insert a genuine physical windows 7 
disk into my external usb super drive and the process proceeded up until I 
chose the partition with bootcamp from the list onto which to install windows 
and to my horror a message came up that windows could not be installed onto 
this partition.  Att that point, mindful of my ignorance, I thought it better 
to abort the process rather than risk damage to my macbook air.  Maybe bootcamp 
6 is designed in such a way so as not to allow installations from iso in El 
Capitan.  Apple may have decided to protect users like myself from playing 
around too much. :)

Many thanks for your responses, everyone.  I think I will give it a rest for a 
while.  Got a bit scared.

Andrew

On 13 Jan 2016, at 17:20, E.T.  wrote:

   Where did you put the ISO file? Desktop would be a good place. Bootcamp 
partition is the one that you want.

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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/13/2016 12:54 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

Thanks first of all for replying.

I've failed miserable to install Windows 7 under bootcamp in El Capitan.  I 
think that part of the problem is Bootcamp in El Capitan which seems to work 
differently to all the descriptions I have seen here on the list and on Apple's 
pages.  When I start the process, I only ever get two checkboxes.  The first is 
to download the appropriate drivers onto the usb flash drive formatted with Ms 
dos FAT and the scheme needs to be set to master boot record.  Then there is 
only one more checkbox to install Windows 7.  The drivers were duly downloaded 
and put onto the flash drive.  Then on the second screen I again only have two 
checkboxes: first is unchecked as default because the drivers are already 
installed onto the flash drive, and the second is checked by default to do with 
installing Windows.  I first thought I could install from iso file but I was 
wrong.  Bootcamp wasn't seeing the iso file and kept returning an error 
message.  So I then found the original Windows 7 disk, inserted

i

t into the super drive and the installation went ahead.  The mac drive was 
divided and computer restarted.  From there, I needed sighted assistance.  
There was a message on the screen to decide onto which partition to install 
Windows.  There were 4 partitions to choose from.  It really confused me 
because there was only one with the name bootcamp in it and when I chose - or 
rather the sighted friend - to install on it - I got an error message.  I 
became worried I might destroy my mac partition by not knowing what I was doing 
and I aborted the process and thankfully via bootcamp returned my mac to its 
original state.  I'm not so keen on doing the installation again.  Many of the 
Apple support pages on the subject of Windows 7 installation with bootcamp are 
for previous versions of bootcamp.  My version of bootcamp in El Capitan is 6.  
I'm really frustrated that sometimes Apple just makes things so automated that 
one can't make any choices.


So that's my story of woes.

Best wishes to everyone

Andrew

On 12 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Pablo Sandoval  wrote:

Andrew,
I fought with this for several weeks before I figured out that my particular 
Mac needed me to download the drivers from Apple.
I had to create the bootable USB drive.
It’s said you need a 16GB flash drive, and that’s what I got, but not sure why 
that size.
1. Go in to Bootcamp utility.
2. check the first 2 boxes to create the installation media, and to download 
latest drivers from Apple.( this 2nd box is unavailable so is not changeable) 
The 3rd box should be unchecked as you do not want to completely install just 
yet.
With some Macs this is all you had to do and you could check that 3rd box and 
complete the installation, but in my case, I had to download the drivers from 
apple and add them to the newly created flash 

Re: Low power mode?

[Daniel Miller]

Settings>battery. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Low power mode?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aa.  OK.  Thanks bro.  For some reason, I was thinking it was either in the 
notification center, or the control center.  Oopsy doodles.

Chris.

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  Subject: Re: Low power mode?


  Settings>battery. 

  Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:


I've accidentally turned on low power mode on my IPhone.  How do I disable 
it?

Chris.

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Re: mac and firefox?

[E.T.]

   Well I loaded Firefox again tonight. When I installed it a couple 
days ago, Voiceover had no idea it was there. I do not know what 
happened but VO was speaking. I did not do much with it as I need to 
work on another project but may go back to it at a kater date.


   I did .look at Preferences. Does not seem to be completely 
accessible. Perhaps Mozilla will finish it.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/13/2016 4:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

I'm backing Chris entirely.
1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims to
the contrary not withstanding.

2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.  Not
even windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
www.skipinput.com 
is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for Mac
users, it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone by the
wayside quite some time ago.



!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:

1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I
think they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me
started on that rant!

2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.

3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work
successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio
demo, as no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.

So, I'm still not sure.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman"
>
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: mac and firefox?


HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any
accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able
to use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to
install it? I can get to the install page but when I click install
nothing happens.
ps:
does web Visum work on the iPhone?
thanks
Maria

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problems with shared folders between mac and linux sold

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
just wanting to let the list know that i have at last got my folders between 
mac and ubuntu working on VM Fusion.
even the instructions from VM were wrong on this.
i had to remove open VM tools because it would not mount the HGFS directory and 
install the VM tools that came with Fusion.
i moved the installer files to a temp folder in linux and ran a command to 
install from there.
if anyone wants the commands i will send them your way.

thanks

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Re: Mailboxes

[E.T.]

Alex,
   Ok I will get into that area and try the suggestions. I might just 
be making ot harder than it is.


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On 1/13/2016 6:29 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

ET and Anatoliy,
To drag items, if vo commands don't work, use the mouse. ET, this is
used to "hide" folders--just drag them off the favorites bar. To drag,
move to the folder, put the mouse on it with vo-cmd-f5, then lock the
mouse down with vo-shift-cmd-space. Move to (or from) the favorites bar,
interact, put the mouse there with vo-cmd-f5 again, and release it with
another vo-shift-cmd-space. Use the same commands to move folders around
in the favorites bar, to get them in the order you want. Remember that
the command key with a number will open that folder--cmd-1 opens the
first folder, cmd-2 opens the second, and so on. ET, I'm not sure what
those buttons do, sorry.

On Jan 12, 2016, at 06:37, Anatoliy Popko > wrote:

Alex,
Thanks for the thought (and, for that matter,  your Applevis podcasts
- concise and straight to the point).
Could you, please, describe: just how would you edit favorits folder list?
Didn't find appropriate menu items, built-in help is mouse-user
oriented. Tried conventional drag and drop (VO+, and VO+.), didn't
quite work out.
Thanks!
--
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Anatoliy D. Popko
> On 12 Jan 2016, at 03:47, Alex Hall > wrote:
>
> The Mac does things backwards to what you might expect. Instead of offering 
each account and folders under it, Mail on OS X offers one folder, with accounts 
under it. For example, if you find the inbox, you can press right arrow to view 
all four accounts, thus viewing inbox emails from jut that account. The advantage 
is that, if you want to just get to all your mail and don't care which account 
it's from, you can simply view your unified inbox and not choose an account. I do 
this nearly all the time, and it lets me view email from all my accounts so I can 
quickly see everything.
>
> There are ways of setting things up however you'd like. For instance, you 
could make each account's inbox a favorite, then switch to each one with cmd-1 
through cmd-4. Or, you could embrace the unified approach for inboxes, and set up 
a folder for each mailing list or mailing list category you're on. That's my 
setup--cmd-1 for my unified inbox, cmd-2 for my Apple-related lists, and cmd-3 for 
my programming-related lists. The nice thing about this latter option is that, if 
you use server-based rules to sort messages to different folders, those rules 
apply equally on your Mac and your phone, or any other device you use (like an 
iPad).
>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 17:41, E.T. > wrote:
>>
>>  Finally I am working to get away from Thunderbird under Windows and use 
Apple's Mail. But years of TB is making it difficult for me to learn a new Mail 
application.
>>
>>  Because of the recent threads here, I unchecked Classic view. What I need 
to work out is how to manage 4 email accounts, one of which is strictly for email 
lists. In TB I would leave that one expanded and browse the mailboxes under that 
account. I may have toggled something off because now I do hear which account I am 
looking at when on the mailbox table.
>>
>>  I never used the unified folders in TB and thus I want to solve this. Then 
I can move on to learning to work in the Messages table. I have collected notes from 
this list and from Applevis, much of which has been helpful. Thanks.
>>
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[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I've accidentally turned on low power mode on my IPhone.  How do I disable it?

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Re: Mailboxes

[Alex Hall]

ET and Anatoliy,
To drag items, if vo commands don't work, use the mouse. ET, this is used to 
"hide" folders--just drag them off the favorites bar. To drag, move to the 
folder, put the mouse on it with vo-cmd-f5, then lock the mouse down with 
vo-shift-cmd-space. Move to (or from) the favorites bar, interact, put the 
mouse there with vo-cmd-f5 again, and release it with another 
vo-shift-cmd-space. Use the same commands to move folders around in the 
favorites bar, to get them in the order you want. Remember that the command key 
with a number will open that folder--cmd-1 opens the first folder, cmd-2 opens 
the second, and so on. ET, I'm not sure what those buttons do, sorry.
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 06:37, Anatoliy Popko  wrote:
> 
> Alex,
>  
> Thanks for the thought (and, for that matter,  your Applevis podcasts - 
> concise and straight to the point).
>  
> Could you, please, describe: just how would you edit favorits folder list?
>  
> Didn't find appropriate menu items, built-in help is mouse-user oriented. 
> Tried conventional drag and drop (VO+, and VO+.), didn't quite work out.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> --
> Best regards,
> Anatoliy D. Popko
>  
>  
> > On 12 Jan 2016, at 03:47, Alex Hall  > > wrote:
> > 
> > The Mac does things backwards to what you might expect. Instead of offering 
> > each account and folders under it, Mail on OS X offers one folder, with 
> > accounts under it. For example, if you find the inbox, you can press right 
> > arrow to view all four accounts, thus viewing inbox emails from jut that 
> > account. The advantage is that, if you want to just get to all your mail 
> > and don't care which account it's from, you can simply view your unified 
> > inbox and not choose an account. I do this nearly all the time, and it lets 
> > me view email from all my accounts so I can quickly see everything.
> > 
> > There are ways of setting things up however you'd like. For instance, you 
> > could make each account's inbox a favorite, then switch to each one with 
> > cmd-1 through cmd-4. Or, you could embrace the unified approach for 
> > inboxes, and set up a folder for each mailing list or mailing list category 
> > you're on. That's my setup--cmd-1 for my unified inbox, cmd-2 for my 
> > Apple-related lists, and cmd-3 for my programming-related lists. The nice 
> > thing about this latter option is that, if you use server-based rules to 
> > sort messages to different folders, those rules apply equally on your Mac 
> > and your phone, or any other device you use (like an iPad).
> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 17:41, E.T.  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >>  Finally I am working to get away from Thunderbird under Windows and use 
> >> Apple's Mail. But years of TB is making it difficult for me to learn a new 
> >> Mail application.
> >> 
> >>  Because of the recent threads here, I unchecked Classic view. What I need 
> >> to work out is how to manage 4 email accounts, one of which is strictly 
> >> for email lists. In TB I would leave that one expanded and browse the 
> >> mailboxes under that account. I may have toggled something off because now 
> >> I do hear which account I am looking at when on the mailbox table.
> >> 
> >>  I never used the unified folders in TB and thus I want to solve this. 
> >> Then I can move on to learning to work in the Messages table. I have 
> >> collected notes from this list and from Applevis, much of which has been 
> >> helpful. Thanks.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: mac and firefox?

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
i spoke to the blind developer that works for firefox and he told me around a 
year ago that firefox were not as interested in mac accessibility because there 
Focus is predominately windows and smart phones.
I need hardly ad that i think this is a load of rubbish.
> On 14 Jan 2016, at 11:18 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Yeah. Firefox is okay, but for such a great blind developer on the team, it 
> can't even display page-loading progress bars on Windows. So don't expect the 
> great Firefox to become accessible any time soon. Yes, you can use Webvisum 
> still, but with the added security risks associated with enabling unsigned 
> addons all across the board. Why Firefox, of all companies, are taking this 
> Apple-like lockdown is beyond me, but ah well.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm backing Chris entirely.  
>> 1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims to the 
>> contrary not withstanding.
>> 
>> 2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.  Not even 
>> windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
>> www.skipinput.com 
>> is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for Mac 
>> users, it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone by the 
>> wayside quite some time ago.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> !
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.  I 
>>> think they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even get me 
>>> started on that rant!
>>> 
>>> 2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.
>>> 
>>> 3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work 
>>> successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio demo, as 
>>> no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.
>>> 
>>> So, I'm still not sure.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman" >> >
>>> To: >> >
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
>>> Subject: mac and firefox?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any 
>>> accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone able to 
>>> use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to install it? I 
>>> can get to the install page but when I click install nothing happens.
>>> ps:
>>> does web Visum work on the iPhone?
>>> thanks
>>> Maria
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Re: mac and firefox?

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   Mozilla is the developer of Firefox and Thunderbird, two of their 
projects. A shame if they do not think Apple is a major player worth 
developing for.


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On 1/13/2016 7:57 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey,
i spoke to the blind developer that works for firefox and he told me
around a year ago that firefox were not as interested in mac
accessibility because there Focus is predominately windows and smart phones.
I need hardly ad that i think this is a load of rubbish.

On 14 Jan 2016, at 11:18 AM, Devin Prater > wrote:

Yeah. Firefox is okay, but for such a great blind developer on the
team, it can't even display page-loading progress bars on Windows. So
don't expect the great Firefox to become accessible any time soon.
Yes, you can use Webvisum still, but with the added security risks
associated with enabling unsigned addons all across the board. Why
Firefox, of all companies, are taking this Apple-like lockdown is
beyond me, but ah well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:


I'm backing Chris entirely.
1.  Firefox on the Mac is still not accessible;  disreputable claims
to the contrary not withstanding.

2.  Webvisum is dead for both Mac and windows versions of Firefox.
 Not even windows users can use it now.  For captchas, Rumola:
www.skipinput.com 
is where you can get that.  So far, it seems to work okay: and,for
Mac users, it's the only solution out there:  all others having ggone
by the wayside quite some time ago.



!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:

1.  Webvisum is dead.  It's not even certified anymore for Firefox.
 I think they did that at the beginning of this month.  Don't even
get me started on that rant!

2.  It never worked on the IPhone as far as I know.

3.  Apparently Singing Sparrow clames to have gotten Firefox to work
successfully on the mac with Yosemite, but when asked for an audio
demo, as no one else at all is having that luck, he's not responded.

So, I'm still not sure.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Maria Chapman"
>
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: mac and firefox?


HI.  Just downloaded the latest version of firefox.  Anyone have any
accessibility tips? or is it still not that accessible? Is anyone
able to use web Visum successfully? If so can someone explain how to
install it? I can get to the install page but when I click install
nothing happens.
ps:
does web Visum work on the iPhone?
thanks
Maria

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[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

If anyone up here is using Whatsapp, and would like to give me their contact 
info privately, that would be cool.  I'm looking to gain more contacts so I can 
effectively try out the app.

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Re: Confused about bootcamp drivers for windows7 installation on mac

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   Where did you put the ISO file? Desktop would be a good place. 
Bootcamp partition is the one that you want.


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On 1/13/2016 12:54 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

Thanks first of all for replying.

I've failed miserable to install Windows 7 under bootcamp in El Capitan.  I 
think that part of the problem is Bootcamp in El Capitan which seems to work 
differently to all the descriptions I have seen here on the list and on Apple's 
pages.  When I start the process, I only ever get two checkboxes.  The first is 
to download the appropriate drivers onto the usb flash drive formatted with Ms 
dos FAT and the scheme needs to be set to master boot record.  Then there is 
only one more checkbox to install Windows 7.  The drivers were duly downloaded 
and put onto the flash drive.  Then on the second screen I again only have two 
checkboxes: first is unchecked as default because the drivers are already 
installed onto the flash drive, and the second is checked by default to do with 
installing Windows.  I first thought I could install from iso file but I was 
wrong.  Bootcamp wasn't seeing the iso file and kept returning an error 
message.  So I then found the original Windows 7 disk, inserted i

t into the super drive and the installation went ahead.  The mac drive was 
divided and computer restarted.  From there, I needed sighted assistance.  
There was a message on the screen to decide onto which partition to install 
Windows.  There were 4 partitions to choose from.  It really confused me 
because there was only one with the name bootcamp in it and when I chose - or 
rather the sighted friend - to install on it - I got an error message.  I 
became worried I might destroy my mac partition by not knowing what I was doing 
and I aborted the process and thankfully via bootcamp returned my mac to its 
original state.  I'm not so keen on doing the installation again.  Many of the 
Apple support pages on the subject of Windows 7 installation with bootcamp are 
for previous versions of bootcamp.  My version of bootcamp in El Capitan is 6.  
I'm really frustrated that sometimes Apple just makes things so automated that 
one can't make any choices.


So that's my story of woes.

Best wishes to everyone

Andrew

On 12 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Pablo Sandoval  wrote:

Andrew,
I fought with this for several weeks before I figured out that my particular 
Mac needed me to download the drivers from Apple.
I had to create the bootable USB drive.
It’s said you need a 16GB flash drive, and that’s what I got, but not sure why 
that size.
1. Go in to Bootcamp utility.
2. check the first 2 boxes to create the installation media, and to download 
latest drivers from Apple.( this 2nd box is unavailable so is not changeable) 
The 3rd box should be unchecked as you do not want to completely install just 
yet.
With some Macs this is all you had to do and you could check that 3rd box and 
complete the installation, but in my case, I had to download the drivers from 
apple and add them to the newly created flash drive installer.
Once you have downloaded the drivers from Apple for your specific Mac, you can 
copy and paste the “Bootcamp” and “$WinPEDriver$” folders to the main area of 
your newly created Windows installer.
Now you can go back in to Bootcamp utility and uncheck the first 2 boxes and 
check only the 3rd, and complete installation of Windows.

I do not know this for sure, but I think it has to do with the SSD’s in the 
newer Macs. I also think most of the problems are installing Windows 7, and I 
suspect the proper drivers are just not available on the Win 7 disk.

I hope this helps someone, and please let me know if I need to clarify 
anything. Wrote this quickly.


On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:


Hi,

When installing Windows 7 in bootcamp from ISO, is it necessary to manually get 
the appropriate Apple drivers for windows, or will Bootcamp get them 
automatically and install them?

I've been poring through help pages and I can see confusing info.

Many thanks


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