Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Scott Granados]

I would say go for it, the new phones are very good.  I really enjoy mine and 
it works very well on our networks here in the United States.



> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:48 PM, Michelle's Home Emails 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott 
> 
> Michelle here, 
> 
> Many thanks, I get an opertunity  to update my contract to swap to IOS 7 in 
> Jan for about 124 aussie dollars. But will have to  continue  on my 80 
> dollars a month plan to do this. 
> 
> Big thanks 
> Michelle  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Nov. 2016, at 2:35 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Michelle, just so you’re aware, an adapter is included so you can plug in 
>> regular headphones as well as a pair of headphones included so you should 
>> upgrade with out fear if you desire to.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Michelle's Home Emails 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sharon 
>>> 
>>> Michelle Stevens here, 
>>> 
>>> Yeh I did not know you have a choclear  implant. The only way I can use 
>>> voice over with mine is to use  headphones.  Am a bit careful upgrading to 
>>> 7 because not sure how bluetooth will go it is so easy plugging in 
>>> headphones knowing it will work. 
>>> 
>>> Nice to have another ci user on list. 
>>> Michelle  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4 Nov. 2016, at 12:23 pm, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
 
 How does this Lightning thingie work? Is there a special jack for the 
 cable? Is it like Bluetooth? Also, do you think it works as well, if not 
 better, than a headset? I definitely still want to use headsets, as it's 
 much easier to understand with my cochlear implant. Will I need Bluetooth 
 for this?
 
 Lots of questions, I know, but basically, how would I be able to get sound 
 directly to my hearing aids?
 
 Thanks much foh any input,
 
 Curious Sharon, or is it George, wants to know.
 
 
 Sharon H.
 
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Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Michelle's Home Emails]

Hi Scott 

Michelle here, 

Many thanks, I get an opertunity  to update my contract to swap to IOS 7 in Jan 
for about 124 aussie dollars. But will have to  continue  on my 80 dollars a 
month plan to do this. 

Big thanks 
Michelle  

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Nov. 2016, at 2:35 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Michelle, just so you’re aware, an adapter is included so you can plug in 
> regular headphones as well as a pair of headphones included so you should 
> upgrade with out fear if you desire to.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Michelle's Home Emails 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sharon 
>> 
>> Michelle Stevens here, 
>> 
>> Yeh I did not know you have a choclear  implant. The only way I can use 
>> voice over with mine is to use  headphones.  Am a bit careful upgrading to 7 
>> because not sure how bluetooth will go it is so easy plugging in headphones 
>> knowing it will work. 
>> 
>> Nice to have another ci user on list. 
>> Michelle  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 Nov. 2016, at 12:23 pm, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does this Lightning thingie work? Is there a special jack for the 
>>> cable? Is it like Bluetooth? Also, do you think it works as well, if not 
>>> better, than a headset? I definitely still want to use headsets, as it's 
>>> much easier to understand with my cochlear implant. Will I need Bluetooth 
>>> for this?
>>> 
>>> Lots of questions, I know, but basically, how would I be able to get sound 
>>> directly to my hearing aids?
>>> 
>>> Thanks much foh any input,
>>> 
>>> Curious Sharon, or is it George, wants to know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sharon H.
>>> 

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Re: Macbook Pro 2010 Hardware Upgrade questions

[Scott Granados]

A big +1 to Crucial.  I use their SSD drives and memory as well.  You can 
browse to their site and use the system configurator to match the right 
hardware to the drives you want to upgrade.  They also show you what tools 
you’ll need and provide them at a very reasonable cost.

Big fan of Crucial and Mikron.



> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Most SSD's should work.  I like the Crucial ones myself, but there's lots out 
> there that will do the job.  You'll need to take into account the size of 
> your current HD and decide if you want the same size, smaller or bigger.  It 
> all depends on your usage.  It will likely be a matter of cost for you, but 
> the 512 GB ones would likely do the job.  On my machine, I took out the 
> optical drive, installed my 7200 RPM 750 GB drive into that location and 
> installed the SSD into where the HD normally resides.  With this 
> configuration, I only needed to purchase a 256 GB SSD as I created a Fusion 
> array between the old HD and new SSD, giving me a 1 TB Fusion Drive Lots of 
> storage and very quick.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:53, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> So Sierra shouldn’t affect voiceover on such an old unit? 
> I’m going to have to buy the SSD and battery on my own. How do I pick which 
> SSD to purchase? If I can get more years out of this Mac then I’ll be happy. 
> When finances change, then I’ll upgrade.
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The SSD will actually make a huge difference.  Since you already have 8 GB 
>> RAM, that's a good thing as well.  I've put SSD's into quite a number of 
>> 2012 MBP's lately and the users have noticed huge improvements.  With 
>> respect to installing Sierra on that machine, it's kind of your call.  It 
>> will add some features, but some new features require newer hardware.  It 
>> certainly shouldn't hurt your machine or slow it down that much with the 
>> installation of the SSD and with 8 GB of RAM on board.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:31, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I found an authorized service center that will replace my MBP battery, but I 
>> have to order it from the Internet. I’m also thinking about letting them 
>> replace my 7200 rpm 500 HD with an SSD. My question is is it worth the hard 
>> drive upgrade? Will my MBP work faster? It has 8GB RAM right now with cor i7 
>> processor. Also, is it worth having him install the latest Os, Sierra on a 
>> machine this old? I don’t want to sync a lot of money in to this machine, 
>> but I really cannot afoard to buy a new one. 
>> Battery will cost $99 $25 to put it in. He said it would cost $150 
>> alltogetehr to put in SD. OF course, this doesn’t cost the price of the SSD.
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Scott Granados]

Hi Helga, you should be able to use an adapter to convert to the form of USB 
you require, I wouldn’t think that would be a problem.

As for trade in, Apple does have a refurbished computer program but I would 
think you would make a lot more money selling the air directly maybe on 
Craigslist or Ebay.

Hope that helps

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? I'm interesting in getting the new MacBook Pro 13 
> inches next year, but the problem for me is that it does not  have  USV 
> drive. In other words, I can't use a UsV drive,and I use USV drives for 
> school. Now I have  a MacBook Air  11 inches,which I bought last year. I have 
>  a question, do you thinkI can sell my Mac to apple and buy the new one? Just 
> wondering. And my other question is, how I will use myUSV drive for school on 
> the  new Macbook Pro? I do use my Trackpad on my macbook air, but not so 
> much. That is why I think  I'm not ready to use the new  Macbook Pro without 
> USV  drive and with touch bar. I will really appreciate any opinion about 
> this matter. I wil use JAWS on my new Macbook Pro  with vm ware fusion. I 
> look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the blind 
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> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Kliphton Miller  > wrote:
> 
>> I will get the 256 model, I have a MacMini with 512 SSD right now, and don’t 
>> even fill up half of it.  The reason being, I have a net work attach storage 
>> server with 24TB and a time capsule with 3TB, so I see no need to save 
>> anything internally.  I am looking forward to mastering the touch bar, 
>> although I am sure that will take a little longer than it usually does, 
>> since the touch bar will be app specific.
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
>>> 
>>> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  
>>> I am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
>>> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
>>> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it 
>>> up.  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to 
>>> be all the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the 
>>> upgraded graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I 
>>> experiment a lot with drones and video feeds from different arial 
>>> platforms.  Also like producing youtube videos.
>>> 
>>> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts 
>>> a lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:
 
 I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. 
 So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that 
 yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. 
 It only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. 
 Likewise, it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus 
 was unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
 
 The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
 accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
 blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
 market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers 
 to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last 
 years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as 
 much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
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 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli 

Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Scott Granados]

Michelle, just so you’re aware, an adapter is included so you can plug in 
regular headphones as well as a pair of headphones included so you should 
upgrade with out fear if you desire to.


> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Michelle's Home Emails 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sharon 
> 
> Michelle Stevens here, 
> 
> Yeh I did not know you have a choclear  implant. The only way I can use voice 
> over with mine is to use  headphones.  Am a bit careful upgrading to 7 
> because not sure how bluetooth will go it is so easy plugging in headphones 
> knowing it will work. 
> 
> Nice to have another ci user on list. 
> Michelle  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Nov. 2016, at 12:23 pm, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> How does this Lightning thingie work? Is there a special jack for the cable? 
>> Is it like Bluetooth? Also, do you think it works as well, if not better, 
>> than a headset? I definitely still want to use headsets, as it's much easier 
>> to understand with my cochlear implant. Will I need Bluetooth for this?
>> 
>> Lots of questions, I know, but basically, how would I be able to get sound 
>> directly to my hearing aids?
>> 
>> Thanks much foh any input,
>> 
>> Curious Sharon, or is it George, wants to know.
>> 
>> 
>> Sharon H.
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:35 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good to know, now I will be sure to get different colors. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 11/3/2016 2:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th,
 LOL! Smile.
 
 Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+
 128GB and got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just
 the regular black.
 
 I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.
 
 So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either
 different, or a huge improvement to?
 
 I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two
 front facing cameras?
 
 Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're
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Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Michelle's Home Emails]

Hi Sharon 

Michelle Stevens here, 

Yeh I did not know you have a choclear  implant. The only way I can use voice 
over with mine is to use  headphones.  Am a bit careful upgrading to 7 because 
not sure how bluetooth will go it is so easy plugging in headphones knowing it 
will work. 

Nice to have another ci user on list. 
Michelle  

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Nov. 2016, at 12:23 pm, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> How does this Lightning thingie work? Is there a special jack for the cable? 
> Is it like Bluetooth? Also, do you think it works as well, if not better, 
> than a headset? I definitely still want to use headsets, as it's much easier 
> to understand with my cochlear implant. Will I need Bluetooth for this?
> 
> Lots of questions, I know, but basically, how would I be able to get sound 
> directly to my hearing aids?
> 
> Thanks much foh any input,
> 
> Curious Sharon, or is it George, wants to know.
> 
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:35 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Good to know, now I will be sure to get different colors. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 11/3/2016 2:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th,
>>> LOL! Smile.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+
>>> 128GB and got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just
>>> the regular black.
>>> 
>>> I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.
>>> 
>>> So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either
>>> different, or a huge improvement to?
>>> 
>>> I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two
>>> front facing cameras?
>>> 
>>> Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're

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Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Scott Granados]

Nice, congratulations, you’re going to love it.

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I get my  7th+ on Tuesday, the eighth.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Nov 2016, at 2:09 am, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sharon, great questions.
>> 
>> The lightning connector has been on the iPhone now for several generations.  
>> This is the small connector that can be attached in either direction and 
>> provides power or a data connection to the phone.  On the 6 and 6S it’s the 
>> connector next to the 3.5 jack.
>>   An adapter is included in the box with the phone that has this small 
>> connector on one side and a 3.5 inch jack on the other both attached with a 
>> small length of wire.  You could use a regular 3.5 inch cable to teach to 
>> your hearing system.
>>   Another option is a set of headphones is included.  These feel just like 
>> the existing pods they include with the previous versions with the lightning 
>> small connector on the plug end instead of the 3.5 jack.  In all other ways 
>> though the headphones feel and appear the same.
>>   As for the sound quality, that’s a subjective thing but I personally like 
>> the sound of the lightning connected products a lot more.  The sound clips 
>> less, you can get a louder signal and with the adapter I can even power a 
>> pair of high end AKG reference headphones that normally the iPhone didn’t 
>> have enough go juice to power but in the new design it works great even with 
>> out a headphone amplifier.
>> 
>> Bluetooth is another connection method, it’s very good on the iPhone 7/7+ 
>> but it is entirely wireless and is the standard you’re used to.  The 
>> lightning connected products work very very well though.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does this Lightning thingie work? Is there a special jack for the 
>>> cable? Is it like Bluetooth? Also, do you think it works as well, if not 
>>> better, than a headset? I definitely still want to use headsets, as it's 
>>> much easier to understand with my cochlear implant. Will I need Bluetooth 
>>> for this?
>>> 
>>> Lots of questions, I know, but basically, how would I be able to get sound 
>>> directly to my hearing aids?
>>> 
>>> Thanks much foh any input,
>>> 
>>> Curious Sharon, or is it George, wants to know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sharon H.
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:35 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Good to know, now I will be sure to get different colors. (smiles)
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 11/3/2016 2:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th,
> LOL! Smile.
> 
> Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+
> 128GB and got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just
> the regular black.
> 
> I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.
> 
> So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either
> different, or a huge improvement to?
> 
> I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two
> front facing cameras?
> 
> Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're
> the two stereo speakers? It looks like they're both on the bottom of the
> phone with the lightning in between? Is that accurate, or not quite. I
> thought they were frontfacing not bottom facing, but I could be wrong.
> 
> Yeah, that headphone jack's definitely gone all right. God that feels
> trippy! BTW, I really really like the new home button, how they put 3D
> force touch into it instead of it being a physical button that literally
> moves when pressed.  I have my click set on 2, and for me, that's
> perfect! I'm still frustrated that I don't get both the Siri enhanced
> voices, but oh well, that's ok. And you know, guys? With these speakers
> being so much better? I might not wind up needing it. I might actually
> be able very well to get away with Alex. I'm gonna try.
> 
> Also, is it just me, or am I correct that the thing is more responsive
> and faster than the 6+?
> 
> Good! God that sounds good! Right as I was typing, Alex finnished
> downloading, and started barreling through. Wow! I'm impressed!
> 
> Again, is there anything you'd say to try specifically that I may either
> see is different/new, or that I may see a huge improvement in with
> performance? I hear the battery in this thing is freaking insane!
> 
> Anyway, you guys let me know, and by the way, over the past month or so,
> though very few they were, thank you all for helping me with the couple
> questions along the way I did have when researching. I 

Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I get my  7th+ on Tuesday, the eighth.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Nov 2016, at 2:09 am, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sharon, great questions.
> 
> The lightning connector has been on the iPhone now for several generations.  
> This is the small connector that can be attached in either direction and 
> provides power or a data connection to the phone.  On the 6 and 6S it’s the 
> connector next to the 3.5 jack.
>An adapter is included in the box with the phone that has this small 
> connector on one side and a 3.5 inch jack on the other both attached with a 
> small length of wire.  You could use a regular 3.5 inch cable to teach to 
> your hearing system.
>Another option is a set of headphones is included.  These feel just like 
> the existing pods they include with the previous versions with the lightning 
> small connector on the plug end instead of the 3.5 jack.  In all other ways 
> though the headphones feel and appear the same.
>As for the sound quality, that’s a subjective thing but I personally like 
> the sound of the lightning connected products a lot more.  The sound clips 
> less, you can get a louder signal and with the adapter I can even power a 
> pair of high end AKG reference headphones that normally the iPhone didn’t 
> have enough go juice to power but in the new design it works great even with 
> out a headphone amplifier.
> 
> Bluetooth is another connection method, it’s very good on the iPhone 7/7+ but 
> it is entirely wireless and is the standard you’re used to.  The lightning 
> connected products work very very well though.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> How does this Lightning thingie work? Is there a special jack for the cable? 
>> Is it like Bluetooth? Also, do you think it works as well, if not better, 
>> than a headset? I definitely still want to use headsets, as it's much easier 
>> to understand with my cochlear implant. Will I need Bluetooth for this?
>> 
>> Lots of questions, I know, but basically, how would I be able to get sound 
>> directly to my hearing aids?
>> 
>> Thanks much foh any input,
>> 
>> Curious Sharon, or is it George, wants to know.
>> 
>> 
>> Sharon H.
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:35 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good to know, now I will be sure to get different colors. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 11/3/2016 2:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th,
 LOL! Smile.
 
 Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+
 128GB and got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just
 the regular black.
 
 I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.
 
 So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either
 different, or a huge improvement to?
 
 I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two
 front facing cameras?
 
 Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're
 the two stereo speakers? It looks like they're both on the bottom of the
 phone with the lightning in between? Is that accurate, or not quite. I
 thought they were frontfacing not bottom facing, but I could be wrong.
 
 Yeah, that headphone jack's definitely gone all right. God that feels
 trippy! BTW, I really really like the new home button, how they put 3D
 force touch into it instead of it being a physical button that literally
 moves when pressed.  I have my click set on 2, and for me, that's
 perfect! I'm still frustrated that I don't get both the Siri enhanced
 voices, but oh well, that's ok. And you know, guys? With these speakers
 being so much better? I might not wind up needing it. I might actually
 be able very well to get away with Alex. I'm gonna try.
 
 Also, is it just me, or am I correct that the thing is more responsive
 and faster than the 6+?
 
 Good! God that sounds good! Right as I was typing, Alex finnished
 downloading, and started barreling through. Wow! I'm impressed!
 
 Again, is there anything you'd say to try specifically that I may either
 see is different/new, or that I may see a huge improvement in with
 performance? I hear the battery in this thing is freaking insane!
 
 Anyway, you guys let me know, and by the way, over the past month or so,
 though very few they were, thank you all for helping me with the couple
 questions along the way I did have when researching. I really feel that
 with you all's help, along with Apple Accessibility, I was able to make
 a very well-rounded and well researched decision on my purchase.
 
 For those who've got the 7+, not the 7, but specifically the 

Braille translation App for Mac

[Becky]

Hi all,

I will be starting an online class that requires that I do braille translation 
in both Nimbus code and you EB math on my Mac. Does anyone know of a braille 
translation software that is VoiceOver compatible and works well on the Mac? As 
of right now until I know Sierra is completely stable I'm still running El 
Capitan. Thank you for your help.

Becky & Hazel

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Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Scott Granados]

Hi Sharon, great questions.

The lightning connector has been on the iPhone now for several generations.  
This is the small connector that can be attached in either direction and 
provides power or a data connection to the phone.  On the 6 and 6S it’s the 
connector next to the 3.5 jack.
An adapter is included in the box with the phone that has this small 
connector on one side and a 3.5 inch jack on the other both attached with a 
small length of wire.  You could use a regular 3.5 inch cable to teach to your 
hearing system.
Another option is a set of headphones is included.  These feel just 
like the existing pods they include with the previous versions with the 
lightning small connector on the plug end instead of the 3.5 jack.  In all 
other ways though the headphones feel and appear the same.
As for the sound quality, that’s a subjective thing but I personally 
like the sound of the lightning connected products a lot more.  The sound clips 
less, you can get a louder signal and with the adapter I can even power a pair 
of high end AKG reference headphones that normally the iPhone didn’t have 
enough go juice to power but in the new design it works great even with out a 
headphone amplifier.

Bluetooth is another connection method, it’s very good on the iPhone 7/7+ but 
it is entirely wireless and is the standard you’re used to.  The lightning 
connected products work very very well though.

Hope that helps.
 

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> How does this Lightning thingie work? Is there a special jack for the cable? 
> Is it like Bluetooth? Also, do you think it works as well, if not better, 
> than a headset? I definitely still want to use headsets, as it's much easier 
> to understand with my cochlear implant. Will I need Bluetooth for this?
> 
> Lots of questions, I know, but basically, how would I be able to get sound 
> directly to my hearing aids?
> 
> Thanks much foh any input,
> 
> Curious Sharon, or is it George, wants to know.
> 
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:35 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Good to know, now I will be sure to get different colors. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 11/3/2016 2:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th,
>>> LOL! Smile.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+
>>> 128GB and got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just
>>> the regular black.
>>> 
>>> I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.
>>> 
>>> So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either
>>> different, or a huge improvement to?
>>> 
>>> I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two
>>> front facing cameras?
>>> 
>>> Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're
>>> the two stereo speakers? It looks like they're both on the bottom of the
>>> phone with the lightning in between? Is that accurate, or not quite. I
>>> thought they were frontfacing not bottom facing, but I could be wrong.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that headphone jack's definitely gone all right. God that feels
>>> trippy! BTW, I really really like the new home button, how they put 3D
>>> force touch into it instead of it being a physical button that literally
>>> moves when pressed.  I have my click set on 2, and for me, that's
>>> perfect! I'm still frustrated that I don't get both the Siri enhanced
>>> voices, but oh well, that's ok. And you know, guys? With these speakers
>>> being so much better? I might not wind up needing it. I might actually
>>> be able very well to get away with Alex. I'm gonna try.
>>> 
>>> Also, is it just me, or am I correct that the thing is more responsive
>>> and faster than the 6+?
>>> 
>>> Good! God that sounds good! Right as I was typing, Alex finnished
>>> downloading, and started barreling through. Wow! I'm impressed!
>>> 
>>> Again, is there anything you'd say to try specifically that I may either
>>> see is different/new, or that I may see a huge improvement in with
>>> performance? I hear the battery in this thing is freaking insane!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, you guys let me know, and by the way, over the past month or so,
>>> though very few they were, thank you all for helping me with the couple
>>> questions along the way I did have when researching. I really feel that
>>> with you all's help, along with Apple Accessibility, I was able to make
>>> a very well-rounded and well researched decision on my purchase.
>>> 
>>> For those who've got the 7+, not the 7, but specifically the 7+, how're
>>> you all liking it compared to the 6 generations?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
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Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Sharon Hooley]

How does this Lightning thingie work? Is there a special jack for the cable? Is 
it like Bluetooth? Also, do you think it works as well, if not better, than a 
headset? I definitely still want to use headsets, as it's much easier to 
understand with my cochlear implant. Will I need Bluetooth for this?

Lots of questions, I know, but basically, how would I be able to get sound 
directly to my hearing aids?

Thanks much foh any input,

Curious Sharon, or is it George, wants to know.


Sharon H.

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:35 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Good to know, now I will be sure to get different colors. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 11/3/2016 2:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th,
>> LOL! Smile.
>> 
>> Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+
>> 128GB and got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just
>> the regular black.
>> 
>> I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.
>> 
>> So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either
>> different, or a huge improvement to?
>> 
>> I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two
>> front facing cameras?
>> 
>> Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're
>> the two stereo speakers? It looks like they're both on the bottom of the
>> phone with the lightning in between? Is that accurate, or not quite. I
>> thought they were frontfacing not bottom facing, but I could be wrong.
>> 
>> Yeah, that headphone jack's definitely gone all right. God that feels
>> trippy! BTW, I really really like the new home button, how they put 3D
>> force touch into it instead of it being a physical button that literally
>> moves when pressed.  I have my click set on 2, and for me, that's
>> perfect! I'm still frustrated that I don't get both the Siri enhanced
>> voices, but oh well, that's ok. And you know, guys? With these speakers
>> being so much better? I might not wind up needing it. I might actually
>> be able very well to get away with Alex. I'm gonna try.
>> 
>> Also, is it just me, or am I correct that the thing is more responsive
>> and faster than the 6+?
>> 
>> Good! God that sounds good! Right as I was typing, Alex finnished
>> downloading, and started barreling through. Wow! I'm impressed!
>> 
>> Again, is there anything you'd say to try specifically that I may either
>> see is different/new, or that I may see a huge improvement in with
>> performance? I hear the battery in this thing is freaking insane!
>> 
>> Anyway, you guys let me know, and by the way, over the past month or so,
>> though very few they were, thank you all for helping me with the couple
>> questions along the way I did have when researching. I really feel that
>> with you all's help, along with Apple Accessibility, I was able to make
>> a very well-rounded and well researched decision on my purchase.
>> 
>> For those who've got the 7+, not the 7, but specifically the 7+, how're
>> you all liking it compared to the 6 generations?
>> 
>> Chris.
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Radium

[Mary Otten]

I got a response to my email to the folks at radium regarding the recent 
message that the app needs to be updated for iOS 10, and it is not good news. 
Radium, they informed me, is no longer being developed. They did say they are 
maintaining their database. They did not specify that it was only the iPhone 
app that was not being developed. My question was about that app, but they said 
nothing at all about the Mac app, no distinction was drawn between the iPhone 
app being developed or not and the Mac app being developed or not. Therefore, I 
think it means radium development is not happening on any front. Too bad, as it 
was a great app but will undoubtedly come up not working at all sooner or later.
Mary


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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Donna Goodin]

You know, of course that's something most of us know intellectually, but it's 
still funny when you see such a concrete example, like the one David posted.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Donna, it’s amazing how power the iPhone actually is. Think for example it 
> has more computing power and storage than the entire Apollo program.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> David, that's absolutely hilarious that your phone has more storage than 
>> your computer.  How things do change! :) Can certainly see why you're ready 
>> to upgrade.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
 wrote:
 
 
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 Hi:
 Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, or 
 without touchbar?
 
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I doubt that Apple would take your MacBook Air on trade.  You'd likely need to 
see it yourself elsewhere.  Regarding the USB connectivity.  You'll just need 
to purchase an adaptor that can go from USB C to USB.  There are adaptors that 
do this by themselves, or multi-function adaptors that allow you to connect USB 
devices and charge simultaneously along with other functions.

HTH.

Later...

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On Nov 3, 2016, at 16:09, Helga Schreiber  wrote:

Hi all! How are you all? I'm interesting in getting the new MacBook Pro 13 
inches next year, but the problem for me is that it does not  have  USV drive. 
In other words, I can't use a UsV drive,and I use USV drives for school. Now I 
have  a MacBook Air  11 inches,which I bought last year. I have  a question, do 
you thinkI can sell my Mac to apple and buy the new one? Just wondering. And my 
other question is, how I will use myUSV drive for school on the  new Macbook 
Pro? I do use my Trackpad on my macbook air, but not so much. That is why I 
think  I'm not ready to use the new  Macbook Pro without USV  drive and with 
touch bar. I will really appreciate any opinion about this matter. I wil use 
JAWS on my new Macbook Pro  with vm ware fusion. I look forward in hearing form 
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On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Kliphton Miller > wrote:

> I will get the 256 model, I have a MacMini with 512 SSD right now, and don’t 
> even fill up half of it.  The reason being, I have a net work attach storage 
> server with 24TB and a time capsule with 3TB, so I see no need to save 
> anything internally.  I am looking forward to mastering the touch bar, 
> although I am sure that will take a little longer than it usually does, since 
> the touch bar will be app specific.
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
>> 
>> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  I 
>> am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
>> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
>> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it up. 
>>  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to be 
>> all the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the 
>> upgraded graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I 
>> experiment a lot with drones and video feeds from different arial platforms. 
>>  Also like producing youtube videos.
>> 
>> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts a 
>> lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. 
>>> So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that 
>>> yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It 
>>> only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, 
>>> it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was 
>>> unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
>>> 
>>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
>>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
>>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
>>> market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers 
>>> to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last 
>>> years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as 
>>> much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli 

Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi all! How are you all? I'm interesting in getting the new MacBook Pro 13 
inches next year, but the problem for me is that it does not  have  USV drive. 
In other words, I can't use a UsV drive,and I use USV drives for school. Now I 
have  a MacBook Air  11 inches,which I bought last year. I have  a question, do 
you thinkI can sell my Mac to apple and buy the new one? Just wondering. And my 
other question is, how I will use myUSV drive for school on the  new Macbook 
Pro? I do use my Trackpad on my macbook air, but not so much. That is why I 
think  I'm not ready to use the new  Macbook Pro without USV  drive and with 
touch bar. I will really appreciate any opinion about this matter. I wil use 
JAWS on my new Macbook Pro  with vm ware fusion. I look forward in hearing form 
you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> I will get the 256 model, I have a MacMini with 512 SSD right now, and don’t 
> even fill up half of it.  The reason being, I have a net work attach storage 
> server with 24TB and a time capsule with 3TB, so I see no need to save 
> anything internally.  I am looking forward to mastering the touch bar, 
> although I am sure that will take a little longer than it usually does, since 
> the touch bar will be app specific.
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
>> 
>> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  I 
>> am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
>> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
>> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it up. 
>>  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to be 
>> all the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the 
>> upgraded graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I 
>> experiment a lot with drones and video feeds from different arial platforms. 
>>  Also like producing youtube videos.
>> 
>> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts a 
>> lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. 
>>> So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that 
>>> yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It 
>>> only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, 
>>> it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was 
>>> unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
>>> 
>>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
>>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
>>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
>>> market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers 
>>> to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last 
>>> years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as 
>>> much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
 wrote:
 
 What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch 
 bar?
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> Hi:
>> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, 
>> or without touchbar?
>> 
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>> 

Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Scott Granados]

Terabytes of data should cover you for a long long time. That’s a huge amount 
of data.

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> I’d rather have more than I need than less.
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I'm leaning toward 1 TB.  Pretty sure that 2 would be overkill for me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d get a lot of storage!
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 I'll add my +1 here, too.  I'm hoping to get the 13-inch MBP with touch 
 bar.  I agree with David's comments re the importance of blind users 
 figuring out how to stay current, and also with his statement about how 
 well Apple has demonstrated its commitment to keeping technology 
 accessible.  Not saying there won't be some hiccups at the beginning, but 
 I'm confident that the blind users won't be left out of touchbar access.  
 And, I also have to say that I'm genuinely intrigued by the touch bar 
 concept.  Looking forward to seeing first-hand how it works.
 
 I currently have a 2013 11-inch MBA. I'll upgrade from 8 to 16GB of ram, 
 and get the fastest I7 processor.  (I don't upgrade every year, so want my 
 new Mac to stay viable for as long as possible.) Haven't yet decided how 
 much storage I want.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
> 
> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year. 
>  I am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it 
> up.  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems 
> to be all the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy 
> the upgraded graphics option for faster graphics performance and because 
> I experiment a lot with drones and video feeds from different arial 
> platforms.  Also like producing youtube videos.
> 
> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple 
> puts a lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. 
>> So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have 
>> that yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting 
>> old. It only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. 
>> Likewise, it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus 
>> was unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
>> 
>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to 
>> general market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have 
>> the numbers to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the 
>> latest, not last years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / 
>> in the curve, as much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without 
>>> touch bar?
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> Hi:
> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? 
> With, or without touchbar?
> 
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Scott Granados]

Donna, it’s amazing how power the iPhone actually is. Think for example it has 
more computing power and storage than the entire Apollo program.


> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> David, that's absolutely hilarious that your phone has more storage than your 
> computer.  How things do change! :) Can certainly see why you're ready to 
> upgrade.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, or 
>>> without touchbar?
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Kliphton Miller]

I will get the 256 model, I have a MacMini with 512 SSD right now, and don’t 
even fill up half of it.  The reason being, I have a net work attach storage 
server with 24TB and a time capsule with 3TB, so I see no need to save anything 
internally.  I am looking forward to mastering the touch bar, although I am 
sure that will take a little longer than it usually does, since the touch bar 
will be app specific.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
> 
> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  I 
> am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it up.  
> I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to be all 
> the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the upgraded 
> graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I experiment a 
> lot with drones and video feeds from different arial platforms.  Also like 
> producing youtube videos.
> 
> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts a 
> lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. So, 
>> I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that yet 
>> either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It only 
>> has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, it 
>> only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was unavailable) 
>> has 256 GB storage.
>> 
>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
>> market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers 
>> to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last 
>> years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as 
>> much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch 
>>> bar?
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> Hi:
> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, 
> or without touchbar?
> 
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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, Thanks giving.
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Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 4:48 AM
Subject: RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?


Hi Mark,

Could you clarify for me please?

What holiday season is it you are referring to?

Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?

Cheers,

Simon F

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor

Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
Importance: High

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.


Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
the following:


Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.


In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
behavior, they will be banned from the list.


I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
will see it.


To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.


Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.



On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, NOT, 
be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able 
to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t 
see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.


I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.


Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
general.


When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.


I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would 
be if they were on a wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or 
don't understand, one of the two.


I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.


The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time 
they move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, 
as they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.


I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, 
as they do have wifi calling enabled.


Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work 
regardless, but as soon as 

Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

will get one with a touch bar as soon as they come to Denmark and sell
the one i just bought

On 11/3/16, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> I’d rather have more than I need than less.
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'm leaning toward 1 TB.  Pretty sure that 2 would be overkill for
>> me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’d get a lot of storage!
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 I'll add my +1 here, too.  I'm hoping to get the 13-inch MBP with touch
 bar.  I agree with David's comments re the importance of blind users
 figuring out how to stay current, and also with his statement about how
 well Apple has demonstrated its commitment to keeping technology
 accessible.  Not saying there won't be some hiccups at the beginning,
 but I'm confident that the blind users won't be left out of touchbar
 access.  And, I also have to say that I'm genuinely intrigued by the
 touch bar concept.  Looking forward to seeing first-hand how it works.

 I currently have a 2013 11-inch MBA. I'll upgrade from 8 to 16GB of ram,
 and get the fastest I7 processor.  (I don't upgrade every year, so want
 my new Mac to stay viable for as long as possible.) Haven't yet decided
 how much storage I want.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
>
> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every
> year.  I am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the
> fastest I7 option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2
> TB is a huge amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere
> near filling it up.  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve
> covered that, 16 seems to be all the memoryI can get at least for this
> year.  I will also buy the upgraded graphics option for faster graphics
> performance and because I experiment a lot with drones and video feeds
> from different arial platforms.  Also like producing youtube videos.
>
> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple
> puts a lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
>
>
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one
>> yet. So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not
>> have that yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is
>> getting old. It only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at
>> the time. Likewise, it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone
>> 7 (the plus was unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
>>
>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to
>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal
>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to
>> general market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have
>> the numbers to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the
>> latest, not last years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead
>> / in the curve, as much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without
>>> touch bar?
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden
  wrote:

 I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli
>  wrote:
>
>
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>
> Hi:
> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version?
> With, or without touchbar?
>
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Re: Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[E.T.]

   Good to know, now I will be sure to get different colors. (smiles)

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On 11/3/2016 2:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th,
LOL! Smile.

Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+
128GB and got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just
the regular black.

I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.

So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either
different, or a huge improvement to?

I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two
front facing cameras?

Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're
the two stereo speakers? It looks like they're both on the bottom of the
phone with the lightning in between? Is that accurate, or not quite. I
thought they were frontfacing not bottom facing, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, that headphone jack's definitely gone all right. God that feels
trippy! BTW, I really really like the new home button, how they put 3D
force touch into it instead of it being a physical button that literally
moves when pressed.  I have my click set on 2, and for me, that's
perfect! I'm still frustrated that I don't get both the Siri enhanced
voices, but oh well, that's ok. And you know, guys? With these speakers
being so much better? I might not wind up needing it. I might actually
be able very well to get away with Alex. I'm gonna try.

Also, is it just me, or am I correct that the thing is more responsive
and faster than the 6+?

Good! God that sounds good! Right as I was typing, Alex finnished
downloading, and started barreling through. Wow! I'm impressed!

Again, is there anything you'd say to try specifically that I may either
see is different/new, or that I may see a huge improvement in with
performance? I hear the battery in this thing is freaking insane!

Anyway, you guys let me know, and by the way, over the past month or so,
though very few they were, thank you all for helping me with the couple
questions along the way I did have when researching. I really feel that
with you all's help, along with Apple Accessibility, I was able to make
a very well-rounded and well researched decision on my purchase.

For those who've got the 7+, not the 7, but specifically the 7+, how're
you all liking it compared to the 6 generations?

Chris.

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Here comes a new adopter: I'm a really! really! happy camper

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Happy BD to me, happy BD to me, well, not quite yet. Not till the 24th, LOL! 
Smile.

Anyway, as an early BD to myself, I diddit! I traded in my iPhone 6+ 128GB and 
got me the iPhone 7+ 128GB Black. Not the jetblack, but just the regular black.

I also did the dark blue colored Otterbox Defender.

So, is there anything I should try on this baby that I may find either 
different, or a huge improvement to?

I know about it now having the two rear cameras. Does it also have two front 
facing cameras?

Also, with this thing now in the case, I can't quite tell, but where're the two 
stereo speakers? It looks like they're both on the bottom of the phone with the 
lightning in between? Is that accurate, or not quite. I thought they were 
frontfacing not bottom facing, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, that headphone jack's definitely gone all right. God that feels trippy! 
BTW, I really really like the new home button, how they put 3D force touch into 
it instead of it being a physical button that literally moves when pressed.  I 
have my click set on 2, and for me, that's perfect! I'm still frustrated that I 
don't get both the Siri enhanced voices, but oh well, that's ok. And you know, 
guys? With these speakers being so much better? I might not wind up needing it. 
I might actually be able very well to get away with Alex. I'm gonna try.

Also, is it just me, or am I correct that the thing is more responsive and 
faster than the 6+?

Good! God that sounds good! Right as I was typing, Alex finnished downloading, 
and started barreling through. Wow! I'm impressed!

Again, is there anything you'd say to try specifically that I may either see is 
different/new, or that I may see a huge improvement in with performance? I hear 
the battery in this thing is freaking insane!

Anyway, you guys let me know, and by the way, over the past month or so, though 
very few they were, thank you all for helping me with the couple questions 
along the way I did have when researching. I really feel that with you all's 
help, along with Apple Accessibility, I was able to make a very well-rounded 
and well researched decision on my purchase.

For those who've got the 7+, not the 7, but specifically the 7+, how're you all 
liking it compared to the 6 generations?

Chris.

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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I’d rather have more than I need than less.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I'm leaning toward 1 TB.  Pretty sure that 2 would be overkill for me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’d get a lot of storage!
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll add my +1 here, too.  I'm hoping to get the 13-inch MBP with touch 
>>> bar.  I agree with David's comments re the importance of blind users 
>>> figuring out how to stay current, and also with his statement about how 
>>> well Apple has demonstrated its commitment to keeping technology 
>>> accessible.  Not saying there won't be some hiccups at the beginning, but 
>>> I'm confident that the blind users won't be left out of touchbar access.  
>>> And, I also have to say that I'm genuinely intrigued by the touch bar 
>>> concept.  Looking forward to seeing first-hand how it works.
>>> 
>>> I currently have a 2013 11-inch MBA. I'll upgrade from 8 to 16GB of ram, 
>>> and get the fastest I7 processor.  (I don't upgrade every year, so want my 
>>> new Mac to stay viable for as long as possible.) Haven't yet decided how 
>>> much storage I want.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
 
 I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  
 I am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
 option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
 amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it 
 up.  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems 
 to be all the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the 
 upgraded graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I 
 experiment a lot with drones and video feeds from different arial 
 platforms.  Also like producing youtube videos.
 
 I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts 
 a lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
 
 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. 
> So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that 
> yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. 
> It only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. 
> Likewise, it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus 
> was unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
> 
> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
> market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the 
> numbers to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, 
> not last years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the 
> curve, as much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without 
>> touch bar?
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 Hi:
 Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? 
 With, or without touchbar?
 
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Re: Macbook Pro 2010 Hardware Upgrade questions

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

Most SSD's should work.  I like the Crucial ones myself, but there's lots out 
there that will do the job.  You'll need to take into account the size of your 
current HD and decide if you want the same size, smaller or bigger.  It all 
depends on your usage.  It will likely be a matter of cost for you, but the 512 
GB ones would likely do the job.  On my machine, I took out the optical drive, 
installed my 7200 RPM 750 GB drive into that location and installed the SSD 
into where the HD normally resides.  With this configuration, I only needed to 
purchase a 256 GB SSD as I created a Fusion array between the old HD and new 
SSD, giving me a 1 TB Fusion Drive Lots of storage and very quick.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:53, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:

Hi:
So Sierra shouldn’t affect voiceover on such an old unit? 
I’m going to have to buy the SSD and battery on my own. How do I pick which SSD 
to purchase? If I can get more years out of this Mac then I’ll be happy. When 
finances change, then I’ll upgrade.

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The SSD will actually make a huge difference.  Since you already have 8 GB 
> RAM, that's a good thing as well.  I've put SSD's into quite a number of 2012 
> MBP's lately and the users have noticed huge improvements.  With respect to 
> installing Sierra on that machine, it's kind of your call.  It will add some 
> features, but some new features require newer hardware.  It certainly 
> shouldn't hurt your machine or slow it down that much with the installation 
> of the SSD and with 8 GB of RAM on board.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:31, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> Hi guys:
> I found an authorized service center that will replace my MBP battery, but I 
> have to order it from the Internet. I’m also thinking about letting them 
> replace my 7200 rpm 500 HD with an SSD. My question is is it worth the hard 
> drive upgrade? Will my MBP work faster? It has 8GB RAM right now with cor i7 
> processor. Also, is it worth having him install the latest Os, Sierra on a 
> machine this old? I don’t want to sync a lot of money in to this machine, but 
> I really cannot afoard to buy a new one. 
> Battery will cost $99 $25 to put it in. He said it would cost $150 
> alltogetehr to put in SD. OF course, this doesn’t cost the price of the SSD.
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, I'm leaning toward 1 TB.  Pretty sure that 2 would be overkill for me.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> I’d get a lot of storage!
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I'll add my +1 here, too.  I'm hoping to get the 13-inch MBP with touch bar. 
>>  I agree with David's comments re the importance of blind users figuring out 
>> how to stay current, and also with his statement about how well Apple has 
>> demonstrated its commitment to keeping technology accessible.  Not saying 
>> there won't be some hiccups at the beginning, but I'm confident that the 
>> blind users won't be left out of touchbar access.  And, I also have to say 
>> that I'm genuinely intrigued by the touch bar concept.  Looking forward to 
>> seeing first-hand how it works.
>> 
>> I currently have a 2013 11-inch MBA. I'll upgrade from 8 to 16GB of ram, and 
>> get the fastest I7 processor.  (I don't upgrade every year, so want my new 
>> Mac to stay viable for as long as possible.) Haven't yet decided how much 
>> storage I want.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
>>> 
>>> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  
>>> I am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
>>> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
>>> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it 
>>> up.  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to 
>>> be all the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the 
>>> upgraded graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I 
>>> experiment a lot with drones and video feeds from different arial 
>>> platforms.  Also like producing youtube videos.
>>> 
>>> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts 
>>> a lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
 
 I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. 
 So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that 
 yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. 
 It only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. 
 Likewise, it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus 
 was unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
 
 The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
 accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
 blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
 market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers 
 to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last 
 years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as 
 much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch 
> bar?
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, 
>>> or without touchbar?
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Re: Macbook Pro 2010 Hardware Upgrade questions

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
So Sierra shouldn’t affect voiceover on such an old unit? 
I’m going to have to buy the SSD and battery on my own. How do I pick which SSD 
to purchase? If I can get more years out of this Mac then I’ll be happy. When 
finances change, then I’ll upgrade.

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The SSD will actually make a huge difference.  Since you already have 8 GB 
> RAM, that's a good thing as well.  I've put SSD's into quite a number of 2012 
> MBP's lately and the users have noticed huge improvements.  With respect to 
> installing Sierra on that machine, it's kind of your call.  It will add some 
> features, but some new features require newer hardware.  It certainly 
> shouldn't hurt your machine or slow it down that much with the installation 
> of the SSD and with 8 GB of RAM on board.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:31, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> Hi guys:
> I found an authorized service center that will replace my MBP battery, but I 
> have to order it from the Internet. I’m also thinking about letting them 
> replace my 7200 rpm 500 HD with an SSD. My question is is it worth the hard 
> drive upgrade? Will my MBP work faster? It has 8GB RAM right now with cor i7 
> processor. Also, is it worth having him install the latest Os, Sierra on a 
> machine this old? I don’t want to sync a lot of money in to this machine, but 
> I really cannot afoard to buy a new one. 
> Battery will cost $99 $25 to put it in. He said it would cost $150 
> alltogetehr to put in SD. OF course, this doesn’t cost the price of the SSD.
> 
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I so agree on emaining rcurrent. Finances howerver might dictate something 
different.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:50 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. So, 
> I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that yet 
> either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It only 
> has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, it only 
> has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was unavailable) has 
> 256 GB storage.
> 
> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal blindness 
> is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general market tech 
> and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers to make the 
> market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last years tech, 
> whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as much as 
> possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch 
>> bar?
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I’d get a lot of storage!
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I'll add my +1 here, too.  I'm hoping to get the 13-inch MBP with touch bar.  
> I agree with David's comments re the importance of blind users figuring out 
> how to stay current, and also with his statement about how well Apple has 
> demonstrated its commitment to keeping technology accessible.  Not saying 
> there won't be some hiccups at the beginning, but I'm confident that the 
> blind users won't be left out of touchbar access.  And, I also have to say 
> that I'm genuinely intrigued by the touch bar concept.  Looking forward to 
> seeing first-hand how it works.
> 
> I currently have a 2013 11-inch MBA. I'll upgrade from 8 to 16GB of ram, and 
> get the fastest I7 processor.  (I don't upgrade every year, so want my new 
> Mac to stay viable for as long as possible.) Haven't yet decided how much 
> storage I want.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
>> 
>> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  I 
>> am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
>> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
>> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it up. 
>>  I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to be 
>> all the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the 
>> upgraded graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I 
>> experiment a lot with drones and video feeds from different arial platforms. 
>>  Also like producing youtube videos.
>> 
>> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts a 
>> lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. 
>>> So, I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that 
>>> yet either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It 
>>> only has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, 
>>> it only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was 
>>> unavailable) has 256 GB storage.
>>> 
>>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
>>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
>>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
>>> market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers 
>>> to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last 
>>> years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as 
>>> much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
 wrote:
 
 What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch 
 bar?
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> Hi:
>> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, 
>> or without touchbar?
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Donna Goodin]

I'll add my +1 here, too.  I'm hoping to get the 13-inch MBP with touch bar.  I 
agree with David's comments re the importance of blind users figuring out how 
to stay current, and also with his statement about how well Apple has 
demonstrated its commitment to keeping technology accessible.  Not saying there 
won't be some hiccups at the beginning, but I'm confident that the blind users 
won't be left out of touchbar access.  And, I also have to say that I'm 
genuinely intrigued by the touch bar concept.  Looking forward to seeing 
first-hand how it works.

I currently have a 2013 11-inch MBA. I'll upgrade from 8 to 16GB of ram, and 
get the fastest I7 processor.  (I don't upgrade every year, so want my new Mac 
to stay viable for as long as possible.) Haven't yet decided how much storage I 
want.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
> 
> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  I 
> am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it up.  
> I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to be all 
> the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the upgraded 
> graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I experiment a 
> lot with drones and video feeds from different arial platforms.  Also like 
> producing youtube videos.
> 
> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts a 
> lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. So, 
>> I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that yet 
>> either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It only 
>> has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, it 
>> only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was unavailable) 
>> has 256 GB storage.
>> 
>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
>> market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers 
>> to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last 
>> years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as 
>> much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch 
>>> bar?
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> Hi:
> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, 
> or without touchbar?
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Donna Goodin]

David, that's absolutely hilarious that your phone has more storage than your 
computer.  How things do change! :) Can certainly see why you're ready to 
upgrade.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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>> Hi:
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>> without touchbar?
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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Yep, Thanks Giving is a big one here when we celebrate the native Americans 
helping us survive the winter and we thanked them by taking their land and 
running them in to the pacific.;)

The funny thing it’s a big deal where I am, Plymouth Rock is not far from where 
I’m sitting. The fake mayflower they have there isn’t bad either. I like the 
revolutionary war stuff better but the pilgrims story isn’t bad.  Could deal 
with out the Puritans and witch burnings but hey, LSD will push people over the 
edge which is what happened here.  The fungus growing on the wheat produces 
lysergic acid and well the good people of Salem were on a bad trip.;)

History is interesting.


> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> LOL, no kidding. Thanksgiving is also coming up.
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 9:15 AM, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>>   Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
>> political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> Could you clarify for me please?
>>> 
>>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>>> 
>>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> Importance: High
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>>> 
>>> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
>>> the following:
>>> 
>>> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
>>> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>>> 
>>> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
>>> different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
>>> behavior, they will be banned from the list.
>>> 
>>> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
>>> will see it.
>>> 
>>> To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>>> 
>>> It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
>>> right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
>>> everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.
>>> 
>>> Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me 
>>> off list.  Aside from Chris of course.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems to me you might try it this way.
>>> 
>>> If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
>>> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
>>> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, 
>>> NOT, be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
>>> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
>>> very basic to me.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
>>> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>>> 
>>> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member 
>>> it is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going 
>>> to reveal their gender.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly 
>>> new to the iPhone world. In fact, they 

Re: Macbook Pro 2010 Hardware Upgrade questions

[Scott Granados]

Totally agree here.  I’ve done similar upgrades myself and experienced a 
massive improvement in performance.  My understanding is you could be talking 
80X or 80 times faster on the disk access which is a huge improvement.

> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The SSD will actually make a huge difference.  Since you already have 8 GB 
> RAM, that's a good thing as well.  I've put SSD's into quite a number of 2012 
> MBP's lately and the users have noticed huge improvements.  With respect to 
> installing Sierra on that machine, it's kind of your call.  It will add some 
> features, but some new features require newer hardware.  It certainly 
> shouldn't hurt your machine or slow it down that much with the installation 
> of the SSD and with 8 GB of RAM on board.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:31, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> Hi guys:
> I found an authorized service center that will replace my MBP battery, but I 
> have to order it from the Internet. I’m also thinking about letting them 
> replace my 7200 rpm 500 HD with an SSD. My question is is it worth the hard 
> drive upgrade? Will my MBP work faster? It has 8GB RAM right now with cor i7 
> processor. Also, is it worth having him install the latest Os, Sierra on a 
> machine this old? I don’t want to sync a lot of money in to this machine, but 
> I really cannot afoard to buy a new one. 
> Battery will cost $99 $25 to put it in. He said it would cost $150 
> alltogetehr to put in the SSD. OF course, this doesn’t cost the price of the 
> SSD.
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Scott Granados]

Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.

I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  I am 
considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 option.  
I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge amount.  I have 
a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it up.  I do wish there 
was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to be all the memoryI can 
get at least for this year.  I will also buy the upgraded graphics option for 
faster graphics performance and because I experiment a lot with drones and 
video feeds from different arial platforms.  Also like producing youtube videos.

I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts a 
lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.

 
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. So, 
> I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that yet 
> either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It only 
> has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, it only 
> has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was unavailable) has 
> 256 GB storage.
> 
> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal blindness 
> is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general market tech 
> and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers to make the 
> market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last years tech, 
> whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as much as 
> possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch 
>> bar?
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
>>> 
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>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[David Chittenden]

I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. So, I 
would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that yet either. 
My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It only has 2 GB 
RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, it only has 128 GB 
internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was unavailable) has 256 GB storage.

The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal blindness 
is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general market tech and 
innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers to make the market 
adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last years tech, whenever 
possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as much as possible, and 
therefore, remain relavent.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> 
> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch bar?
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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>>> Hi:
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>>> without touchbar?
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Re: Macbook Pro 2010 Hardware Upgrade questions

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The SSD will actually make a huge difference.  Since you already have 8 GB RAM, 
that's a good thing as well.  I've put SSD's into quite a number of 2012 MBP's 
lately and the users have noticed huge improvements.  With respect to 
installing Sierra on that machine, it's kind of your call.  It will add some 
features, but some new features require newer hardware.  It certainly shouldn't 
hurt your machine or slow it down that much with the installation of the SSD 
and with 8 GB of RAM on board.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:31, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:


Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

Hi guys:
I found an authorized service center that will replace my MBP battery, but I 
have to order it from the Internet. I’m also thinking about letting them 
replace my 7200 rpm 500 HD with an SSD. My question is is it worth the hard 
drive upgrade? Will my MBP work faster? It has 8GB RAM right now with cor i7 
processor. Also, is it worth having him install the latest Os, Sierra on a 
machine this old? I don’t want to sync a lot of money in to this machine, but I 
really cannot afoard to buy a new one. 
Battery will cost $99 $25 to put it in. He said it would cost $150 alltogetehr 
to put in the SSD. OF course, this doesn’t cost the price of the SSD.

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Macbook Pro 2010 Hardware Upgrade questions

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

Hi guys:
I found an authorized service center that will replace my MBP battery, but I 
have to order it from the Internet. I’m also thinking about letting them 
replace my 7200 rpm 500 HD with an SSD. My question is is it worth the hard 
drive upgrade? Will my MBP work faster? It has 8GB RAM right now with cor i7 
processor. Also, is it worth having him install the latest Os, Sierra on a 
machine this old? I don’t want to sync a lot of money in to this machine, but I 
really cannot afoard to buy a new one. 
Battery will cost $99 $25 to put it in. He said it would cost $150 alltogetehr 
to put in the SSD. OF course, this doesn’t cost the price of the SSD.

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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch bar?
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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>> 
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>> Hi:
>> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, or 
>> without touchbar?
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Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
First it went away from my Iphone SE when i did public beta testing.
Now they’re back again.
But i seldom use them unless i really need something to be read loud and clear 
without alex.
/A
> On 3 Nov 2016, at 03:47, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> Yeah... I don't get how it could be device related, but, OK. I suppose.
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> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex
> 
> 
>> I have heard that they are working on getting the voices back in an update 
>> they had told me that it was device specific and that they should have 
>> always been there.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/1/2016 1:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> What I! wanna know, is why on earth I cannot get the Siri Enhanced voices 
>>> back?
>>> 
>>> Accessibility is being completely beat around the bush with me regarding 
>>> it. Some reps tell me they did away with the enhanced American english male 
>>> and female voices, while others say, no, they should be there, while 
>>> thirdly, others say, they're not there and were taken out, but they're 
>>> going to be coming back soon.
>>> 
>>> I just want the truth in what on earth happened. I frankly don't like Alex, 
>>> but that's just me. I've grown to tollerate him, but that's about it. I 
>>> find most of the other Nuance voices to be the same, given my hearing loss.
>>> 
>>> The male Siri enhanced voice is about the only one I can do with ease. The 
>>> compact isn't terrible, but it's way to downsampled and fuzzy for my 
>>> liking. Plus, some of the way it pronounces things is utter crap!
>>> 
>>> Before anyone says anything, I've definitely done what was suggested by 
>>> Applevis by plugging in my phone to the actual wall, not the mac before 
>>> restoring an iCloud backup with the voices included from a device which 
>>> still has access to them. That did no good.
>>> 
>>> I've also restored and set up as a new device both from the phone itself as 
>>> well as from ITunes directly on the mac. No good.
>>> 
>>> BTW, no, this is not a public nor private beta. Neither ones have ever 
>>> touched this device.
>>> 
>>> Even stranger, a friend of mine just got an iPhone 6S+, and he had the 
>>> voices right from the get go. Both enhanced were there. So, why the hell 
>>> can't I seem to get them.
>>> 
>>> It's the weirdest thing. I did an iOS update about 3 or 4 builds back, and 
>>> ever since, they've just totally vannished.
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:55 AM
>>> Subject: Ipod touch latest and Alex
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is for 
>>> the life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex as my 
>>> voice. I've been through accessibility, and voices, accessibility, 
>>> Voiceover and speech, but I still cannot work it out.  I can't stand 
>>> Daniel, and Samantha is tolerable but my favourite is Alex.  I have managed 
>>> to enable him on my iphone SE but ipod touch? No go.  Please help!  Ipod 
>>> touch is supposed to have the A8 chip so it should be possible.  Or maybe 
>>> not?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[David Chittenden]

I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.

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Sent from my iPhone

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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

LOL, no kidding. Thanksgiving is also coming up.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 9:15 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy insane 
> political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Could you clarify for me please?
>> 
>> What holiday season is it you are referring to?
>> 
>> Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
>> responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will 
>> conduct themselves in a gracious and kind manner.
>> 
>> Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say 
>> the following:
>> 
>> Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
>> inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.
>> 
>> In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a 
>> different world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of 
>> behavior, they will be banned from the list.
>> 
>> I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone 
>> will see it.
>> 
>> To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> 
>> It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
>> right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to 
>> everybody I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.
>> 
>> Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
>> list.  Aside from Chris of course.
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Seems to me you might try it this way.
>> 
>>  If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
>> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
>> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, 
>> NOT, be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
>> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
>> very basic to me.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
>> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>> 
>> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
>> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
>> reveal their gender.
>> 
>> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
>> to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
>> general.
>> 
>> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
>> Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
>> turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
>> the apps.
>> 
>> I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
>> mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
>> that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
>> cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
>> 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would 
>> be if they were on a wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or 
>> don't understand, one of the two.
>> 
>> I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
>> doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
>> not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
>> disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.
>> 
>> The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time 
>> they move out of 

2016 Macbook Pro

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

Hi:
Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, or 
without touchbar?

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Re: replace battery

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
It is too old, and they do not have parts.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It looks like you can get them from Amazon.  You'll need a Tech though to 
> install it as it's not really a user install item.  Are you saying that Apple 
> won't service your MBP anymore?  That's odd as these sorts of items are often 
> proprietary, so finding them from venders other than Apple is often a 
> challenge.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 20:35, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> uh oh, my Macbook Pro 2010 says replace battery soon. This is not good since 
> Apple won’t replace. Anyone know of a 3rd party option?
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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[E.T.]

   Yes a big one, next Tuesday, when we celebrate the end of a crazy 
insane political campaign that dragged on far too long. (rolls eyes)


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 11/3/2016 1:48 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Mark,

 Could you clarify for me please?

 What holiday season is it you are referring to?

 Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?

 Cheers,

Simon F

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
Importance: High

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will conduct 
themselves in a gracious and kind manner.

Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say the 
following:

Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.

In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a different 
world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of behavior, they 
will be banned from the list.

I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone will 
see it.

To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to everybody 
I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.

Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.


On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.

I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.

Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new to 
the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in general.

When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.

I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that mind, 
do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's not a 
very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is off, 
then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The 
only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.

I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're doing 
by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're not 
disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is disabling 
the apps so they never! will use cellular.

The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.

I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.

Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
kaput and so would their 

Re: replace battery

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It looks like you can get them from Amazon.  You'll need a Tech though to 
install it as it's not really a user install item.  Are you saying that Apple 
won't service your MBP anymore?  That's odd as these sorts of items are often 
proprietary, so finding them from venders other than Apple is often a challenge.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 2, 2016, at 20:35, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:


Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

uh oh, my Macbook Pro 2010 says replace battery soon. This is not good since 
Apple won’t replace. Anyone know of a 3rd party option?

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Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
If i turn cellular data off i can still get calls and text messages.
But i live in Sweden and maybe we have other networks here.
/A
> On 2 Nov 2016, at 17:37, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Seems to me you might try it this way.
> 
>   If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, 
> be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
> very basic to me.  
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
>> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>>  
>> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
>> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
>> reveal their gender.
>>  
>> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
>> to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
>> general.
>>  
>> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
>> Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
>> turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
>> the apps.
>>  
>> I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
>> mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
>> that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
>> cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
>> 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would 
>> be if they were on a wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or 
>> don't understand, one of the two.
>>  
>> I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
>> doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
>> not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
>> disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.
>>  
>> The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time 
>> they move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, 
>> as they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
>>  
>> I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
>> receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, 
>> as they do have wifi calling enabled.
>>  
>> Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work 
>> regardless, but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their 
>> internet would go kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
>>  
>> I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that 
>> doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and 
>> there. The only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at 
>> which point, it falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are 
>> on  a wifi network, it would not use their 6GB data plan.
>>  
>> Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
>> definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
>> respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.
>>  
>> Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.
>>  
>> They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to always 
>> leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on wifi or not. 
>> I find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would you want your 
>> cellular to always be off. O, Kayyy. I know places where yes, you may want 
>> it off, but not 100% of the time. Come on! Really?
>>  
>> I don't doubt what they're telling me Verizon said to them, and honestly, it 
>> doesn't exactly surprise me that a rep would a told them this, but I will 
>> leavbe my personal opinions out, and spare you all.
>>  
>> Anyway, how else do I explain how that cellualr screen works, and what it 
>> does?
>>  
>> Also, they're wonderring in that screen at the veryh bottom what wifi assist 
>> is.
>>  
>> I wish they'd leave that stuff back their alone, as I know what's probably 
>> gonna happen. They're gonna start turning stuff on/off then will dm me on 
>> Twitter and be like, Chris, why is X, y, and Z not working? Then, I'm gonna 
>> be lost, 

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RE: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Could you clarify for me please?

 What holiday season is it you are referring to?

 Does America have big holidays coming up for some reason?

 Cheers,

Simon F

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On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?
Importance: High

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will conduct 
themselves in a gracious and kind manner.

Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say the 
following:

Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.

In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a different 
world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of behavior, they 
will be banned from the list.

I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone will 
see it.

To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to everybody 
I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.

Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.


On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.  

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Guys,
 
I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
 
I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.
 
Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new to 
the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in general.
 
When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.
 
I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that mind, 
do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's not a 
very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is off, 
then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The 
only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.
 
I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're doing 
by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're not 
disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is disabling 
the apps so they never! will use cellular.
 
The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
 
I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.
 
Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
 
I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that doesn't 
mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and there. The 
only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at which