Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[E.T.]

   Let me add some flour and yeast to the mix also.

   Ours is not a very cohesive society. Its extremely fragmented on 
many levels. I won't go into the politics of it, just that its 
unfortunate that all the various pieces have to practice their own 
advocacy to achieve the same goal. As far as those with disabilities, 
while the ADA was a necessary instrument whose aim is to level the 
playing field, it has not made society inclusive thus the ongoing 
battles and skirmishes since its inception when it was passed 27 years ago.


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On 3/23/2017 8:07 PM, Michelle's Home Emails wrote:

Hi all,

Michelle here,

What about the Deafblind community who gets very easily over looked during 
these conversations.

Also there is a huge difference between a person who is vision impaired and 
person like myself who is totally blind and profoundly deaf with only light 
perception.

Had to put this in the mix.

Michelle Stevens

Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Mar 2017, at 11:36 am, Arthur Gindin  wrote:

I agree.

We raise a blind child who also has the gifts of a talented musician.  
Unfortunately, the cause of her blindness has also caused other problems e.g. 
gait, use of only 5 fingers etc.  We encourage her to make use of her talents.  
Unfortunately the abuse she gets from the ISD and the overwhelming high school 
homework leaves her little time to compose inter alia.

Ag


On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

mark,
I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate with 
this  effort  should  consider.

Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to 
instigate impact is  the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as if  it 
is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the what 400 million 
people on the planet estimated to be living with sight loss as if they are the 
same  / interchangeable with  each other, and make no effort to establish 
frames of reference for the people you want to reach.
Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and  positive images 
of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular culture as it is to 
create employment.
Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / sighted, 
they are going to be what they are...very confused.
To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the window  
when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive.
Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few tools in the first 
place. why does one need several ways to do a task, if "the blind," are spoken 
of so uniformly as if there are a composite whole?
Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned that place. 
By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the rest of humanity.  
You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify the fabric of society, 
individually with what makes you special, collectively with what gives you the 
chance to view the world differently.
Off my soapbox now, smiles.
kare




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Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[Michelle's Home Emails]

Hi all, 

Michelle here, 

What about the Deafblind community who gets very easily over looked during 
these conversations. 

Also there is a huge difference between a person who is vision impaired and 
person like myself who is totally blind and profoundly deaf with only light 
perception. 

Had to put this in the mix. 

Michelle Stevens 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Mar 2017, at 11:36 am, Arthur Gindin  wrote:
> 
> I agree.
> 
> We raise a blind child who also has the gifts of a talented musician.  
> Unfortunately, the cause of her blindness has also caused other problems e.g. 
> gait, use of only 5 fingers etc.  We encourage her to make use of her 
> talents.  Unfortunately the abuse she gets from the ISD and the overwhelming 
> high school homework leaves her little time to compose inter alia.
> 
> Ag
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> mark,
>> I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate with 
>> this  effort  should  consider.
>> 
>> Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to 
>> instigate impact is  the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as if  
>> it is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the what 400 
>> million people on the planet estimated to be living with sight loss as if 
>> they are the same  / interchangeable with  each other, and make no effort to 
>> establish frames of reference for the people you want to reach.
>> Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and  positive 
>> images of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular culture as 
>> it is to create employment.
>> Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / sighted, 
>> they are going to be what they are...very confused.
>> To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the 
>> window  when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive.
>> Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few tools 
>> in the first place. why does one need several ways to do a task, if "the 
>> blind," are spoken of so uniformly as if there are a composite whole?
>> Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned that 
>> place. By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the rest of 
>> humanity.  You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify the fabric 
>> of society, individually with what makes you special, collectively with what 
>> gives you the chance to view the world differently.
>> Off my soapbox now, smiles.
>> kare

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Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[Arthur Gindin]

I agree.

We raise a blind child who also has the gifts of a talented musician.  
Unfortunately, the cause of her blindness has also caused other problems e.g. 
gait, use of only 5 fingers etc.  We encourage her to make use of her talents.  
Unfortunately the abuse she gets from the ISD and the overwhelming high school 
homework leaves her little time to compose inter alia.

Ag

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> mark,
> I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate with 
> this  effort  should  consider.
> 
> Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to 
> instigate impact is  the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as if  
> it is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the what 400 
> million people on the planet estimated to be living with sight loss as if 
> they are the same  / interchangeable with  each other, and make no effort to 
> establish frames of reference for the people you want to reach.
> Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and  positive 
> images of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular culture as 
> it is to create employment.
> Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / sighted, 
> they are going to be what they are...very confused.
> To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the window 
>  when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive.
> Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few tools 
> in the first place. why does one need several ways to do a task, if "the 
> blind," are spoken of so uniformly as if there are a composite whole?
> Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned that place. 
> By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the rest of 
> humanity.  You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify the fabric 
> of society, individually with what makes you special, collectively with what 
> gives you the chance to view the world differently.
> Off my soapbox now, smiles.
> kare
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Earlier this week, both Apple and Starbucks announced that they were, in
>> effect, reaffirming their commitments to several agendas.
>> 
>> In apple's case, they introduced iPhone 7 and 7 Plus RED Special Edition,
>> which is intended to give customers a way to participate in the fight
>> against aids.
>> 
>> In Starbucks case, they affirmed their commitment to hiring thousands and
>> thousands of veterans and immigrants.
>> 
>> Upon reading each of these announcements, via various social media outlets,
>> I requested that these two companies make a commitment to the blind and low
>> vision.
>> 
>> To Apple, I asked that they play a more active role in research that will
>> bring, eyesight, (in quote marks) to the blind and low vision.
>> 
>> To Starbucks, I asked that they commit to a policy of hiring blind and low
>> vision employees, where reasonably possible.
>> 
>> I am posting this to the list in order to ask those of you with social media
>> accounts to make similar requests of these and any other companies that
>> boast of their commitments to investing in any particular demographic.
>> 
>> We must begin to directly advocate for ourselves, as visually impaired
>> people, if major change is ever going to occur and we must do it on the
>> global stage so that our sighted counterparts will know that we are here and
>> that we matter.
>> 
>> The Gospel According to Mark, Chapter 2017.2.1.1.A. (smile)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Fusion or fusion pro?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
What are the major differences between Vmware Fusion and Fusion pro?
Ofcourse Fusion Pro might be for professional use but what can you do with pro 
that you can’t do with Fusion?
I need to deside if i should buy pro or fusion only.
Thanks in advance.
/A

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Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[David Chittenden]

There is a huge difference between minor vision loss and low vision, and then 
another huge difference between low vision and legal blindness. Legal blindness 
is 20/200, 6/60, or worse in the better eye after correction. Low vision, is 
any vision which is better than that, and worse than 20/60, 6/18, which is the 
lowest vision permitted to drive a car. Sight loss is anything worse than 
perfect vision.

My fiancé has visual acuity of 6/15, 20/50, so is able to drive. She 
occasionally uses a magnifier, and uses screen enlargement on occasion. So, we 
can technically say she suffers from sight loss. She has no need of using 
VoiceOver, though she occasionally uses speak screen. She also uses Zoom fairly 
regularly: She falls into the 400 million category which is sited below.

Legal blindness is between 0.5% and 0.6% of the population. Including people 
like my partner, who does everything via vision, is probably muddying the 
waters a bit.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
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> On 24/03/2017, at 05:41, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> mark,
> I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate with 
> this  effort  should  consider.
> 
> Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to 
> instigate impact is  the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as if  
> it is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the what 400 
> million people on the planet estimated to be living with sight loss as if 
> they are the same  / interchangeable with  each other, and make no effort to 
> establish frames of reference for the people you want to reach.
> Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and  positive 
> images of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular culture as 
> it is to create employment.
> Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / sighted, 
> they are going to be what they are...very confused.
> To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the window 
>  when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive.
> Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few tools 
> in the first place. why does one need several ways to do a task, if "the 
> blind," are spoken of so uniformly as if there are a composite whole?
> Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned that place. 
> By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the rest of 
> humanity.  You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify the fabric 
> of society, individually with what makes you special, collectively with what 
> gives you the chance to view the world differently.
> Off my soapbox now, smiles.
> kare
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Earlier this week, both Apple and Starbucks announced that they were, in
>> effect, reaffirming their commitments to several agendas.
>> 
>> In apple's case, they introduced iPhone 7 and 7 Plus RED Special Edition,
>> which is intended to give customers a way to participate in the fight
>> against aids.
>> 
>> In Starbucks case, they affirmed their commitment to hiring thousands and
>> thousands of veterans and immigrants.
>> 
>> Upon reading each of these announcements, via various social media outlets,
>> I requested that these two companies make a commitment to the blind and low
>> vision.
>> 
>> To Apple, I asked that they play a more active role in research that will
>> bring, eyesight, (in quote marks) to the blind and low vision.
>> 
>> To Starbucks, I asked that they commit to a policy of hiring blind and low
>> vision employees, where reasonably possible.
>> 
>> I am posting this to the list in order to ask those of you with social media
>> accounts to make similar requests of these and any other companies that
>> boast of their commitments to investing in any particular demographic.
>> 
>> We must begin to directly advocate for ourselves, as visually impaired
>> people, if major change is ever going to occur and we must do it on the
>> global stage so that our sighted counterparts will know that we are here and
>> that we matter.
>> 
>> The Gospel According to Mark, Chapter 2017.2.1.1.A. (smile)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: A simple audio converter on mac

[Ray Foret jr]

IF you don’t mind paying a little, might I suggest “Easy Music Converter”?


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> I need an accessible audio converter on mac.
> Thanks
> 
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> Faculty ofmusical education
> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
> Harmony Recording Studio
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Re: Apple music on android.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Just what i thought to.
I haven’t done that yet.
Will try tomorrow.
But Norman Mailer spins my head right now so can’t do it *smile*.
/A
> 23 mars 2017 kl. 20:09 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Anders, no need at all to turn it off.  Just do the process as normal and 
> when prompted again to enter your password enter the password + the 6 digits 
> in the same field as one long value.  YOu’ll be good and no need to disable 
> anything.
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It was a hell to get the two step verification turned on and i don’t want to 
>> turn it off and then turn it on going through this again.
>> But i will do some research on this.
>> /A
>>> 23 mars 2017 kl. 09:27 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> Ask John Podesta if 2 factor authentication is more trouble than it’s 
>>> worth.;)
>>> 
>>> That’s a pretty reckless statement.  For we who store things like credit 
>>> card numbers, personal files, and so on and so forth do you really just 
>>> want a password between you and it?  I strongly and I mean strongly suggest 
>>> everyone run and don’t walk and enable 2 factor authentication.  That’s my 
>>> opinion however based on seeing the damage caused by having a single 
>>> password only with no really strong protection in place.  The codes in 2 
>>> factor are very very hard to guess (almost impossible), in combination with 
>>> a password you’re even more secure and even if your password is compromised 
>>> your account is still safe and secure behind that second method of 
>>> authentication.
>>> If you really want to be secure you use some of the hardware based or 
>>> application based for we blind users RSA clients that provide nice long 
>>> strings that change every minute. The RSA secure client was very accessible 
>>> and good on the iPhone and worked well with things like Pulse.  Even the 6 
>>> digit code stuff like Google and Apple use though is very very secure.
>>> To be fair, Matthew may be right for the type of data he’s storing.  If 
>>> for example he doesn’t store financial information or personal files or 
>>> access accounts he’s concerned over from that device he well may be right.  
>>> On the other hand, if you have any of this content you should really 
>>> consider it.  As I always say only you can value your data and in our 
>>> example here possibly Matthew has a legitimate lack of need if for example 
>>> the data isn’t of value or if he keeps things isolated. I use it because I 
>>> keep documents I want to keep secure.  I also secure the data on the local 
>>> side as well with encryption so it’s not an easy target.  We really need to 
>>> be careful about security.  Things that might have slid a few years back 
>>> are just to dangerous to ignore today as it really is a different 
>>> landscape.  As always though, the choice is your own for your own data, 
>>> value it carefully.
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Matthew Dyer  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 
 Sounds like ypou have 2 step verification enabled on your account.  Try 
 disabling it and see what happens.  JMO 2 step verification coses more 
 trouble than it is worth.
 
 
 Matthew
 
 
 
 
 On 03/22/2017 07:06 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i 
> appologize and let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list 
> instead.
> I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on 
> android.
> However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type 
> the password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other 
> devices.
> THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
> I can not find any where to type the verification code.
> So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
> password and the verification code in the password field together?
> It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android 
> device.
> Thanks in advance for all help.
> /A
> 
 
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A useful App.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

I came across a useful app yesterday for the I phone.  For those of you who 
live in the UK, the HMRC App which is designed for those who pay taxes is very 
voice over accessible.  You can even calculate your taxes for your take home 
pay and perhaps for your tax returns for those who are self employed.

Kawal.

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Re: printer with voiceover

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

At present I am successfully using the Samsung SLM2020w monochrome laser 
printer.  However, this model is no longer used but I am sure the new model is 
out.  I think the only draw back is that it's now touch screen.  Mine though is 
not touch screen and I can operate it using the Mac.  There is a tool which you 
can use to put in your own wifi details and perfectly accessible.  My cartridge 
has not run out and you can get the cartridge from Amazon.  I have one in my 
saved items for later.

Kawal. 
> On 23 Mar 2017, at 20:10, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I find that the ink jet are much cheaper out of the box, but they'll kill you 
> with ink costs.  the laser printers may cost more to start with, but with how 
> many pages you can get out of the toners, it's well worth it to me.  I went 
> with the Lexmark CX410, but just about any known manufacturer that puts out 
> the laser printer has good quality stuff nowadays.  Most have a web interface 
> for set up and configuration, so usable by VO users quite well.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 23, 2017, at 13:22, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I bought the 551N from a liquidator so got it for pennies on the dollar so 
> I’d shop it around.
> 
> Ink supplies are like $100 to $200 but last for a very very long time.  I 
> bought mine in 2013 and have only changed the supplies once.  It’s a whole 
> toner drum and inks deal like a copier.
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:20 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> That 551 sure is high end, about the same cost as a new MBP.
>> 
>> How do laser printers stack up against ink models? I have no need to do 
>> color printing.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 3/23/2017 10:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Check out the HP 551N if you want a high end network attached printer.
>>> Check out the hp 6815 copier printer scanner as well.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Marianne Robbins
 > wrote:
 
 My printer is dying and needs to be replaced. I am looking for
 something that will work well with a MacBook pro with sierra 10.12.3.
 (It would also be great if i could print from iPhone or iPad, but not
 essential) I use voiceover screenreader. I need compact size and
 controls that are not touch-screen dependent. (Many of the ones I have
 seen use touchpad without voice.) It would be great if I could use the
 keyboard to control it, or if there are tactile clues. Economy is a
 factor for sure. I'd be grateful for any suggestions from other
 voiceover users that use a printer regularly. Thanks.
 Marianne Robbins
 maryfairy2...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
 
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A simple audio converter on mac

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

I need an accessible audio converter on mac.
Thanks

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Re: Question regarding protools for mac

[Ramy Moustafa]

ok, so will remove it now

On 3/23/17, joseph  wrote:
> Hi
> I downloaded it on my machine and sorry for the late reply
> Best
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 22 Mar 2017, at 7:48 pm, jaan ali  wrote:
>>
>> Hi i downloaded it
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>> behalf of Ramy Moustafa 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:34:25 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question regarding protools for mac
>>
>> Ok, with pleasure, but please, tell me when finishing
>>
>> On 3/22/17, joseph  wrote:
>> > Hi Rami
>> > Thank you for uploading the tutorial, I am planning to download it on
>> > my
>> > machine this evening so please do not remove it quite yet.
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On 22 Mar 2017, at 12:50 pm, Ramy Moustafa 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Johna dn all:
>> >>
>> >> did you get the Podcasts, may I remove them from my Drop box?
>> >>
>> >> if not, tell me.
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>> On 3/20/17, jaan ali  wrote:
>> >>> hi thankyou so much for these you are a lifesaver:)
>> >>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello John and all:
>> >>> Here is my dropbox link for the 7 Apple vis podcasts, about Pro
>> >>> tools,
>> >>> Thanks so much  Chris  for them
>> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wib65aopswv7sb1/Apple%20vis%20protools%20podcasts.rar?dl=0
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/19/17, Ramy Moustafa
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> Hi John:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ok, I'm compressing them now, and will send them on a link, once they
>> >>> are uploaded, I will send you the link
>> >>>
>> >>> Feel free to ask, am not so good in using the app, but I can help as
>> >>> much as I can
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/19/17, jaan ali
>> >>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> They are not working, can you send me those that you have it?
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>> From:
>> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>> >
>> >>> on
>> >>> behalf of Ramy Moustafa
>> >>> >
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:46:22 AM
>> >>> To:
>> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: Question regarding protools for mac
>> >>>
>> >>> Aha, great that you  found themn,
>> >>> but you will need the  protools with speech, tutorial.
>> >>> I'm sure
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/17/17, jaan ali
>> >>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> Hi i just found these podcasts of protools
>> >>> I will  listen tonight,
>> >>> thought to share with you all
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.digitalpodcast.com/feeds/39532-applevis-podcast?page=27
>> >>>
>> >>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>> From:
>> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>> >
>> >>> on
>> >>> behalf of Singing Sparrow
>> >>> >
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:50:57 PM
>> >>> To:
>> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: Question regarding protools for mac
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Could I get the pro tools totorials for this daw please? I would be
>> >>> really
>> >>> interested in learning how to use this daw!
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/16/2017 4:59 PM, Esubalew Johnston wrote:
>> >>> Hi, I am the stand your struggle as far as Proto's in college. I had
>> >>> to
>> >>> take
>> >>> audio production class and it was hard because I've never use the Mac
>> >>> before
>> >>> but it would've been a good program to learn because we had to write
>> >>> commercials promotions and other things that we were going to do. Is
>> >>> there
>> >>> a
>> >>> way I can give it to toils to? Thanks so much.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:45 PM, jaan ali
>> >>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi, may you send mE the applevis tutorials  for ProTools? My class is
>> >>> on
>> >>> tomorrow afternoon
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>> From:
>> >>> 

Re: Garage Band 10, Quantize a MIDI Track

[Scott Berry]

I thought it used to be just the letter “q” if you were in the track.  But the 
problem with that is you need to ensure that your quantizing correctly first I 
wouldn’t just quantize a track that could be detramental.


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> Hello.
> Coming to grips with the latest Garage Band in Sierra, I am wondering if 
> there is a hotkey to immediately quantize a track after recording it.
> I have looked through lists of hotkeys but have not found anything so far.
> Thanks for any guidance.
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Re: printer with voiceover

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I find that the ink jet are much cheaper out of the box, but they'll kill you 
with ink costs.  the laser printers may cost more to start with, but with how 
many pages you can get out of the toners, it's well worth it to me.  I went 
with the Lexmark CX410, but just about any known manufacturer that puts out the 
laser printer has good quality stuff nowadays.  Most have a web interface for 
set up and configuration, so usable by VO users quite well.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 23, 2017, at 13:22, Scott Granados  wrote:

I bought the 551N from a liquidator so got it for pennies on the dollar so I’d 
shop it around.

Ink supplies are like $100 to $200 but last for a very very long time.  I 
bought mine in 2013 and have only changed the supplies once.  It’s a whole 
toner drum and inks deal like a copier.

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:20 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  That 551 sure is high end, about the same cost as a new MBP.
> 
>  How do laser printers stack up against ink models? I have no need to do 
> color printing.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 3/23/2017 10:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Check out the HP 551N if you want a high end network attached printer.
>> Check out the hp 6815 copier printer scanner as well.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Marianne Robbins
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> My printer is dying and needs to be replaced. I am looking for
>>> something that will work well with a MacBook pro with sierra 10.12.3.
>>> (It would also be great if i could print from iPhone or iPad, but not
>>> essential) I use voiceover screenreader. I need compact size and
>>> controls that are not touch-screen dependent. (Many of the ones I have
>>> seen use touchpad without voice.) It would be great if I could use the
>>> keyboard to control it, or if there are tactile clues. Economy is a
>>> factor for sure. I'd be grateful for any suggestions from other
>>> voiceover users that use a printer regularly. Thanks.
>>> Marianne Robbins
>>> maryfairy2...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[Scott Granados]

I have to disagree with this.  You’d be absolutely right if we were a huge 
subsection of the population, but we’re not.  We’re to small of a group for the 
general population to gain any nuance about our existence.  Most people go 
through life with out ever encountering a blind person, to add all these 
variables will just confuse or offset them.  I suspect that reality lies 
somewhere in-between somewhere but I think Mark’s efforts have some value.  You 
raise interesting points I just wonder if there are to few of us.

Good thought provoker though, thank you.

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> mark,
> I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate with 
> this  effort  should  consider.
> 
> Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to 
> instigate impact is  the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as if  
> it is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the what 400 
> million people on the planet estimated to be living with sight loss as if 
> they are the same  / interchangeable with  each other, and make no effort to 
> establish frames of reference for the people you want to reach.
> Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and  positive 
> images of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular culture as 
> it is to create employment.
> Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / sighted, 
> they are going to be what they are...very confused.
> To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the window 
>  when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive.
> Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few tools 
> in the first place. why does one need several ways to do a task, if "the 
> blind," are spoken of so uniformly as if there are a composite whole?
> Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned that place. 
> By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the rest of 
> humanity.  You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify the fabric 
> of society, individually with what makes you special, collectively with what 
> gives you the chance to view the world differently.
> Off my soapbox now, smiles.
> kare
> 
> 
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Earlier this week, both Apple and Starbucks announced that they were, in
>> effect, reaffirming their commitments to several agendas.
>> 
>> In apple's case, they introduced iPhone 7 and 7 Plus RED Special Edition,
>> which is intended to give customers a way to participate in the fight
>> against aids.
>> 
>> In Starbucks case, they affirmed their commitment to hiring thousands and
>> thousands of veterans and immigrants.
>> 
>> Upon reading each of these announcements, via various social media outlets,
>> I requested that these two companies make a commitment to the blind and low
>> vision.
>> 
>> To Apple, I asked that they play a more active role in research that will
>> bring, eyesight, (in quote marks) to the blind and low vision.
>> 
>> To Starbucks, I asked that they commit to a policy of hiring blind and low
>> vision employees, where reasonably possible.
>> 
>> I am posting this to the list in order to ask those of you with social media
>> accounts to make similar requests of these and any other companies that
>> boast of their commitments to investing in any particular demographic.
>> 
>> We must begin to directly advocate for ourselves, as visually impaired
>> people, if major change is ever going to occur and we must do it on the
>> global stage so that our sighted counterparts will know that we are here and
>> that we matter.
>> 
>> The Gospel According to Mark, Chapter 2017.2.1.1.A. (smile)
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[Karen Lewellen]

mark,
I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate 
with this  effort  should  consider.


Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to 
instigate impact is  the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as 
if  it is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the what 
400 million people on the planet estimated to be living with sight loss as 
if they are the 
same  / interchangeable with  each other, and make no effort to establish 
frames of reference for the people you want to reach.
Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and  positive 
images of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular culture 
as it is to create employment.
Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / 
sighted, they are going to be what they are...very confused.
To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the 
window  when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive.
Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few 
tools in the first place. why does one need several ways to do a task, if 
"the blind," are spoken of so uniformly as if there are a composite whole?
Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned 
that place. By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the 
rest of humanity.  You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify 
the fabric of society, individually with what makes you special, 
collectively with what gives you the chance to view the world differently.

Off my soapbox now, smiles.
kare


On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello All,

Earlier this week, both Apple and Starbucks announced that they were, in
effect, reaffirming their commitments to several agendas.

In apple's case, they introduced iPhone 7 and 7 Plus RED Special Edition,
which is intended to give customers a way to participate in the fight
against aids.

In Starbucks case, they affirmed their commitment to hiring thousands and
thousands of veterans and immigrants.

Upon reading each of these announcements, via various social media outlets,
I requested that these two companies make a commitment to the blind and low
vision.

To Apple, I asked that they play a more active role in research that will
bring, eyesight, (in quote marks) to the blind and low vision.

To Starbucks, I asked that they commit to a policy of hiring blind and low
vision employees, where reasonably possible.

I am posting this to the list in order to ask those of you with social media
accounts to make similar requests of these and any other companies that
boast of their commitments to investing in any particular demographic.

We must begin to directly advocate for ourselves, as visually impaired
people, if major change is ever going to occur and we must do it on the
global stage so that our sighted counterparts will know that we are here and
that we matter.

The Gospel According to Mark, Chapter 2017.2.1.1.A. (smile)

Mark


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Re: Question regarding protools for mac

[joseph]

Hi
I downloaded it on my machine and sorry for the late reply
Best


Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Mar 2017, at 7:48 pm, jaan ali  wrote:
> 
> Hi i downloaded it
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Ramy Moustafa 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:34:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question regarding protools for mac
>  
> Ok, with pleasure, but please, tell me when finishing
> 
> On 3/22/17, joseph  wrote:
> > Hi Rami
> > Thank you for uploading the tutorial, I am planning to download it on my
> > machine this evening so please do not remove it quite yet.
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 22 Mar 2017, at 12:50 pm, Ramy Moustafa 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Johna dn all:
> >>
> >> did you get the Podcasts, may I remove them from my Drop box?
> >>
> >> if not, tell me.
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>> On 3/20/17, jaan ali  wrote:
> >>> hi thankyou so much for these you are a lifesaver:)
> >>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello John and all:
> >>> Here is my dropbox link for the 7 Apple vis podcasts, about Pro tools,
> >>> Thanks so much  Chris  for them
> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wib65aopswv7sb1/Apple%20vis%20protools%20podcasts.rar?dl=0
> >>>
> >>> On 3/19/17, Ramy Moustafa
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> Hi John:
> >>>
> >>> Ok, I'm compressing them now, and will send them on a link, once they
> >>> are uploaded, I will send you the link
> >>>
> >>> Feel free to ask, am not so good in using the app, but I can help as
> >>> much as I can
> >>>
> >>> On 3/19/17, jaan ali
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> They are not working, can you send me those that you have it?
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Get Outlook for iOS
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> From:
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> >
> >>> on
> >>> behalf of Ramy Moustafa
> >>> >
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:46:22 AM
> >>> To:
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Question regarding protools for mac
> >>>
> >>> Aha, great that you  found themn,
> >>> but you will need the  protools with speech, tutorial.
> >>> I'm sure
> >>>
> >>> On 3/17/17, jaan ali
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> Hi i just found these podcasts of protools
> >>> I will  listen tonight,
> >>> thought to share with you all
> >>>
> >>> http://www.digitalpodcast.com/feeds/39532-applevis-podcast?page=27
> >>>
> >>> Get Outlook for iOS
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> From:
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> >
> >>> on
> >>> behalf of Singing Sparrow
> >>> >
> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:50:57 PM
> >>> To:
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Question regarding protools for mac
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Could I get the pro tools totorials for this daw please? I would be
> >>> really
> >>> interested in learning how to use this daw!
> >>>
> >>> On 3/16/2017 4:59 PM, Esubalew Johnston wrote:
> >>> Hi, I am the stand your struggle as far as Proto's in college. I had to
> >>> take
> >>> audio production class and it was hard because I've never use the Mac
> >>> before
> >>> but it would've been a good program to learn because we had to write
> >>> commercials promotions and other things that we were going to do. Is
> >>> there
> >>> a
> >>> way I can give it to toils to? Thanks so much.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:45 PM, jaan ali
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi, may you send mE the applevis tutorials  for ProTools? My class is on
> >>> tomorrow afternoon
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Get Outlook for iOS
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> From:
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> >>> on
> >>> behalf of Ramy Moustafa
> >>> 

Re: printer with voiceover

[Scott Granados]

I bought the 551N from a liquidator so got it for pennies on the dollar so I’d 
shop it around.

Ink supplies are like $100 to $200 but last for a very very long time.  I 
bought mine in 2013 and have only changed the supplies once.  It’s a whole 
toner drum and inks deal like a copier.

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:20 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   That 551 sure is high end, about the same cost as a new MBP.
> 
>   How do laser printers stack up against ink models? I have no need to do 
> color printing.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> On 3/23/2017 10:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Check out the HP 551N if you want a high end network attached printer.
>> Check out the hp 6815 copier printer scanner as well.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Marianne Robbins
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> My printer is dying and needs to be replaced. I am looking for
>>> something that will work well with a MacBook pro with sierra 10.12.3.
>>> (It would also be great if i could print from iPhone or iPad, but not
>>> essential) I use voiceover screenreader. I need compact size and
>>> controls that are not touch-screen dependent. (Many of the ones I have
>>> seen use touchpad without voice.) It would be great if I could use the
>>> keyboard to control it, or if there are tactile clues. Economy is a
>>> factor for sure. I'd be grateful for any suggestions from other
>>> voiceover users that use a printer regularly. Thanks.
>>> Marianne Robbins
>>> maryfairy2...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: printer with voiceover

[E.T.]

   That 551 sure is high end, about the same cost as a new MBP.

   How do laser printers stack up against ink models? I have no need to 
do color printing.


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On 3/23/2017 10:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Check out the HP 551N if you want a high end network attached printer.
 Check out the hp 6815 copier printer scanner as well.



On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Marianne Robbins
> wrote:

My printer is dying and needs to be replaced. I am looking for
something that will work well with a MacBook pro with sierra 10.12.3.
(It would also be great if i could print from iPhone or iPad, but not
essential) I use voiceover screenreader. I need compact size and
controls that are not touch-screen dependent. (Many of the ones I have
seen use touchpad without voice.) It would be great if I could use the
keyboard to control it, or if there are tactile clues. Economy is a
factor for sure. I'd be grateful for any suggestions from other
voiceover users that use a printer regularly. Thanks.
Marianne Robbins
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Re: Apple music on android.

[Scott Granados]

Anders, no need at all to turn it off.  Just do the process as normal and when 
prompted again to enter your password enter the password + the 6 digits in the 
same field as one long value.  YOu’ll be good and no need to disable anything.

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> It was a hell to get the two step verification turned on and i don’t want to 
> turn it off and then turn it on going through this again.
> But i will do some research on this.
> /A
>> 23 mars 2017 kl. 09:27 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Ask John Podesta if 2 factor authentication is more trouble than it’s 
>> worth.;)
>> 
>> That’s a pretty reckless statement.  For we who store things like credit 
>> card numbers, personal files, and so on and so forth do you really just want 
>> a password between you and it?  I strongly and I mean strongly suggest 
>> everyone run and don’t walk and enable 2 factor authentication.  That’s my 
>> opinion however based on seeing the damage caused by having a single 
>> password only with no really strong protection in place.  The codes in 2 
>> factor are very very hard to guess (almost impossible), in combination with 
>> a password you’re even more secure and even if your password is compromised 
>> your account is still safe and secure behind that second method of 
>> authentication.
>>  If you really want to be secure you use some of the hardware based or 
>> application based for we blind users RSA clients that provide nice long 
>> strings that change every minute. The RSA secure client was very accessible 
>> and good on the iPhone and worked well with things like Pulse.  Even the 6 
>> digit code stuff like Google and Apple use though is very very secure.
>>  To be fair, Matthew may be right for the type of data he’s storing.  If 
>> for example he doesn’t store financial information or personal files or 
>> access accounts he’s concerned over from that device he well may be right.  
>> On the other hand, if you have any of this content you should really 
>> consider it.  As I always say only you can value your data and in our 
>> example here possibly Matthew has a legitimate lack of need if for example 
>> the data isn’t of value or if he keeps things isolated. I use it because I 
>> keep documents I want to keep secure.  I also secure the data on the local 
>> side as well with encryption so it’s not an easy target.  We really need to 
>> be careful about security.  Things that might have slid a few years back are 
>> just to dangerous to ignore today as it really is a different landscape.  As 
>> always though, the choice is your own for your own data, value it carefully.
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Matthew Dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sounds like ypou have 2 step verification enabled on your account.  Try 
>>> disabling it and see what happens.  JMO 2 step verification coses more 
>>> trouble than it is worth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/22/2017 07:06 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize 
 and let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
 I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on 
 android.
 However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type 
 the password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other 
 devices.
 THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
 I can not find any where to type the verification code.
 So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
 password and the verification code in the password field together?
 It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android 
 device.
 Thanks in advance for all help.
 /A
 
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Re: Apple music on android.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
It was a hell to get the two step verification turned on and i don’t want to 
turn it off and then turn it on going through this again.
But i will do some research on this.
/A
> 23 mars 2017 kl. 09:27 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Ask John Podesta if 2 factor authentication is more trouble than it’s worth.;)
> 
> That’s a pretty reckless statement.  For we who store things like credit card 
> numbers, personal files, and so on and so forth do you really just want a 
> password between you and it?  I strongly and I mean strongly suggest everyone 
> run and don’t walk and enable 2 factor authentication.  That’s my opinion 
> however based on seeing the damage caused by having a single password only 
> with no really strong protection in place.  The codes in 2 factor are very 
> very hard to guess (almost impossible), in combination with a password you’re 
> even more secure and even if your password is compromised your account is 
> still safe and secure behind that second method of authentication.
>   If you really want to be secure you use some of the hardware based or 
> application based for we blind users RSA clients that provide nice long 
> strings that change every minute. The RSA secure client was very accessible 
> and good on the iPhone and worked well with things like Pulse.  Even the 6 
> digit code stuff like Google and Apple use though is very very secure.
>   To be fair, Matthew may be right for the type of data he’s storing.  If 
> for example he doesn’t store financial information or personal files or 
> access accounts he’s concerned over from that device he well may be right.  
> On the other hand, if you have any of this content you should really consider 
> it.  As I always say only you can value your data and in our example here 
> possibly Matthew has a legitimate lack of need if for example the data isn’t 
> of value or if he keeps things isolated. I use it because I keep documents I 
> want to keep secure.  I also secure the data on the local side as well with 
> encryption so it’s not an easy target.  We really need to be careful about 
> security.  Things that might have slid a few years back are just to dangerous 
> to ignore today as it really is a different landscape.  As always though, the 
> choice is your own for your own data, value it carefully.
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Matthew Dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> Sounds like ypou have 2 step verification enabled on your account.  Try 
>> disabling it and see what happens.  JMO 2 step verification coses more 
>> trouble than it is worth.
>> 
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/22/2017 07:06 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize 
>>> and let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
>>> I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on 
>>> android.
>>> However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type the 
>>> password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other 
>>> devices.
>>> THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
>>> I can not find any where to type the verification code.
>>> So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
>>> password and the verification code in the password field together?
>>> It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android 
>>> device.
>>> Thanks in advance for all help.
>>> /A
>>> 
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GPG tools now supported by Sierra apple mail again

[Scott Granados]

Just wanted to give everyone the heads up using Sierra that GPG tools now works 
on Sierra again.  It’s been reworked to work with Sierra Apple mail.

Still in beta but seems to be working well for me so far.  Google gpgmail2 to 
learn more.

Thanks

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Re: Apple music on android.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not what i can find but i can do a new retry.
/A
> 23 mars 2017 kl. 08:54 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> HI Anders 
> 
> Is there any option under the password  to bring a drop down box into focus.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 12:06 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Apple music on android.
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize 
> and let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
> I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on android.
> However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type the 
> password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other devices.
> THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
> I can not find any where to type the verification code.
> So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
> password and the verification code in the password field together?
> It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android 
> device.
> Thanks in advance for all help.
> /A
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Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish

[Scott Granados]

You’d think so and I totally agree but I’ve seen the defragmentation on Macs go 
totally sideways.  It’s supposed to handle this as part of the file system but 
doesn’t especially as you mentioned the disk fills.  Sounds like we’re on the 
same page though.

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:55 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, fragmentation is a problem not really attributable to the drive itself. 
> Of course an SSDs don't have a head flitting around to gather up the random 
> bits of your file from all over the platter so fragmentation doesn't matter 
> on those. In Linux, and I'm assuming OSX, fragmentation on spinning disks 
> isn't as much of an issue as the filesystem attempts to distribute files all 
> over the disk. So if you edit a file and make it a bit bigger, there should 
> be nearby empty sectors available. Of course that model breaks down if you're 
> running a nearly full disk.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/23/17 1:45 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> The problem is the old fragmentation problem, not to tricky.  The files 
>> start getting written in noncontiguous blocks and the more large files you 
>> store the more fragmentation over time you get.
>> 
>> A reformat and reinstall generally clears this up.  I don’t mean physical 
>> degradation as much as I mean file system degradation.
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:56 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting. I had not heard about spinning disks degrading over time. I've 
>>> heard of operating systems getting loaded up with goo from old files left 
>>> behind and such, but not the drive. There is the stuff about drives 
>>> remapping bad blocks over time, but I wouldn't expect that to make an 
>>> impact with all the on-drive caching these days.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 3/23/17 4:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Ok, remember that spinning drive will degrade over time and make that Mac 
 crawl so make sure you’re backing up regularly because a reformat and 
 reinstall does fix the problem.  (As does replacing it with an SSD).
 
 Good luck and glad it’s sorted out.
 
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:20 PM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is a spinning hard drive, but a brand new Mac.
> Fortunately, as others have suggested, it settled itself in after a day 
> or so and is now running lightning fast.
> Thanks.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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> Subject: Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish
> 
> What kind of disk are you using, SSD or regular rotating/. Also is this a 
> new IMAC or a used older model?
> 
> Thank you
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 9:55 AM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> I had tested out the $999 21 inch iMac running Sierra in the Apple 
>> Store, and it had run with impressive speed and responsiveness.
>> Applications opened quickly, web pages loaded quickly, and there was no 
>> lag or "busy signals" at all.
>> I purchased the unit, and set it up with my Apple ID and iCloud account, 
>> there were a couple of software updates, so the machine restarted twice.
>> 
>> It is not as fast ore responsive as in the Apple store.  There are 
>> occasional pauses or delays.
>> 
>> It is interesting, I have a 3 year old MacBook Air that is just as fast 
>> as the day it was purchased.
>> Yet, this new iMac is not quite running as smoothly as I would have 
>> expected, especially after having seen it running so beautifully in the 
>> Apple store.
>> 
>> Any suggestions at all for tweaking this Mac to run as might be expected?
>> Thanks a lot.
>> 
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Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, fragmentation is a problem not really attributable to the drive 
itself. Of course an SSDs don't have a head flitting around to gather up 
the random bits of your file from all over the platter so fragmentation 
doesn't matter on those. In Linux, and I'm assuming OSX, fragmentation 
on spinning disks isn't as much of an issue as the filesystem attempts 
to distribute files all over the disk. So if you edit a file and make it 
a bit bigger, there should be nearby empty sectors available. Of course 
that model breaks down if you're running a nearly full disk.


CB

On 3/23/17 1:45 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

The problem is the old fragmentation problem, not to tricky.  The files start 
getting written in noncontiguous blocks and the more large files you store the 
more fragmentation over time you get.

A reformat and reinstall generally clears this up.  I don’t mean physical 
degradation as much as I mean file system degradation.


On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:56 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Interesting. I had not heard about spinning disks degrading over time. I've 
heard of operating systems getting loaded up with goo from old files left 
behind and such, but not the drive. There is the stuff about drives remapping 
bad blocks over time, but I wouldn't expect that to make an impact with all the 
on-drive caching these days.

CB

On 3/23/17 4:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Ok, remember that spinning drive will degrade over time and make that Mac crawl 
so make sure you’re backing up regularly because a reformat and reinstall does 
fix the problem.  (As does replacing it with an SSD).

Good luck and glad it’s sorted out.


On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:20 PM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

This is a spinning hard drive, but a brand new Mac.
Fortunately, as others have suggested, it settled itself in after a day or so 
and is now running lightning fast.
Thanks.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish

What kind of disk are you using, SSD or regular rotating/. Also is this a new 
IMAC or a used older model?

Thank you


On Mar 20, 2017, at 9:55 AM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hello.
I had tested out the $999 21 inch iMac running Sierra in the Apple Store, and 
it had run with impressive speed and responsiveness.
Applications opened quickly, web pages loaded quickly, and there was no lag or "busy 
signals" at all.
I purchased the unit, and set it up with my Apple ID and iCloud account, there 
were a couple of software updates, so the machine restarted twice.

It is not as fast ore responsive as in the Apple store.  There are occasional 
pauses or delays.

It is interesting, I have a 3 year old MacBook Air that is just as fast as the 
day it was purchased.
Yet, this new iMac is not quite running as smoothly as I would have expected, 
especially after having seen it running so beautifully in the Apple store.

Any suggestions at all for tweaking this Mac to run as might be expected?
Thanks a lot.



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Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Earlier this week, both Apple and Starbucks announced that they were, in
effect, reaffirming their commitments to several agendas.  

In apple's case, they introduced iPhone 7 and 7 Plus RED Special Edition,
which is intended to give customers a way to participate in the fight
against aids.

In Starbucks case, they affirmed their commitment to hiring thousands and
thousands of veterans and immigrants.  

Upon reading each of these announcements, via various social media outlets,
I requested that these two companies make a commitment to the blind and low
vision.

To Apple, I asked that they play a more active role in research that will
bring, eyesight, (in quote marks) to the blind and low vision.

To Starbucks, I asked that they commit to a policy of hiring blind and low
vision employees, where reasonably possible.  

I am posting this to the list in order to ask those of you with social media
accounts to make similar requests of these and any other companies that
boast of their commitments to investing in any particular demographic.  

We must begin to directly advocate for ourselves, as visually impaired
people, if major change is ever going to occur and we must do it on the
global stage so that our sighted counterparts will know that we are here and
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The Gospel According to Mark, Chapter 2017.2.1.1.A. (smile)

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Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish

[Scott Granados]

The problem is the old fragmentation problem, not to tricky.  The files start 
getting written in noncontiguous blocks and the more large files you store the 
more fragmentation over time you get.

A reformat and reinstall generally clears this up.  I don’t mean physical 
degradation as much as I mean file system degradation.

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:56 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I had not heard about spinning disks degrading over time. I've 
> heard of operating systems getting loaded up with goo from old files left 
> behind and such, but not the drive. There is the stuff about drives remapping 
> bad blocks over time, but I wouldn't expect that to make an impact with all 
> the on-drive caching these days.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/23/17 4:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Ok, remember that spinning drive will degrade over time and make that Mac 
>> crawl so make sure you’re backing up regularly because a reformat and 
>> reinstall does fix the problem.  (As does replacing it with an SSD).
>> 
>> Good luck and glad it’s sorted out.
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:20 PM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a spinning hard drive, but a brand new Mac.
>>> Fortunately, as others have suggested, it settled itself in after a day or 
>>> so and is now running lightning fast.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:44 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish
>>> 
>>> What kind of disk are you using, SSD or regular rotating/. Also is this a 
>>> new IMAC or a used older model?
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
 On Mar 20, 2017, at 9:55 AM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello.
 I had tested out the $999 21 inch iMac running Sierra in the Apple Store, 
 and it had run with impressive speed and responsiveness.
 Applications opened quickly, web pages loaded quickly, and there was no 
 lag or "busy signals" at all.
 I purchased the unit, and set it up with my Apple ID and iCloud account, 
 there were a couple of software updates, so the machine restarted twice.
 
 It is not as fast ore responsive as in the Apple store.  There are 
 occasional pauses or delays.
 
 It is interesting, I have a 3 year old MacBook Air that is just as fast as 
 the day it was purchased.
 Yet, this new iMac is not quite running as smoothly as I would have 
 expected, especially after having seen it running so beautifully in the 
 Apple store.
 
 Any suggestions at all for tweaking this Mac to run as might be expected?
 Thanks a lot.
 
 
 
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Re: Apple music on android.

[Scott Granados]

Anders, you should be good I told you how to log in so you need not disable 
2factor.

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> No i don’t want to disable it.
> Then i rather don’t use apple music on my android phone.
> /A
>> 23 mars 2017 kl. 01:16 skrev Matthew Dyer :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> Sounds like ypou have 2 step verification enabled on your account.  Try 
>> disabling it and see what happens.  JMO 2 step verification coses more 
>> trouble than it is worth.
>> 
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/22/2017 07:06 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize 
>>> and let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
>>> I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on 
>>> android.
>>> However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type the 
>>> password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other 
>>> devices.
>>> THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
>>> I can not find any where to type the verification code.
>>> So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
>>> password and the verification code in the password field together?
>>> It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android 
>>> device.
>>> Thanks in advance for all help.
>>> /A
>>> 
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Re: printer with voiceover

[Scott Granados]

Check out the HP 551N if you want a high end network attached printer.  Check 
out the hp 6815 copier printer scanner as well.


> On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Marianne Robbins  
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> My printer is dying and needs to be replaced. I am looking for something that 
> will work well with a MacBook pro with sierra 10.12.3. (It would also be 
> great if i could print from iPhone or iPad, but not essential) I use 
> voiceover screenreader. I need compact size and controls that are not 
> touch-screen dependent. (Many of the ones I have seen use touchpad without 
> voice.) It would be great if I could use the keyboard to control it, or if 
> there are tactile clues. Economy is a factor for sure. I'd be grateful for 
> any suggestions from other voiceover users that use a printer regularly. 
> Thanks.
> Marianne Robbins
> maryfairy2...@gmail.com 
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Re: printer with voiceover

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hi,  I liked my samsung.  It was a minimalist as far as the onboard 
controls were conserned.  There was an apple configuration utility that was 
more or less accessible and there was a web interface for things like 
checking the ink level.  It programmed via usb, then connected to the 
wireless network.


I really like brother printers.  They are substancially cheaper than 
samsung and the software is a bit nicer, but the ink is a lot more 
expensive unless you know where to look.


HP was really flashing the touch screen interfaces for a while.  You need 
sighted assistance to get those connected.  Once connected though, samsung, 
hp, brother, and cannon all have web interfaces that work pretty well and 
even let you send faxes or iniciate photo coppies in some cases.


Hope this helps,

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On March 23, 2017 12:17:58 PM Marianne Robbins  wrote:

My printer is dying and needs to be replaced. I am looking for something 
that will work well with a MacBook pro with sierra 10.12.3. (It would also 
be great if i could print from iPhone or iPad, but not essential) I use 
voiceover screenreader. I need compact size and controls that are not 
touch-screen dependent. (Many of the ones I have seen use touchpad without 
voice.) It would be great if I could use the keyboard to control it, or if 
there are tactile clues. Economy is a factor for sure. I'd be grateful for 
any suggestions from other voiceover users that use a printer regularly. 
Thanks.

Marianne Robbins
maryfairy2...@gmail.com



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Sorting Favorites In Safari

[Brian Hansen]

Is there a way to set up a custom sorting of my Safari favorites?  I’ve added a 
couple of new ones, and they seem to be appearing first when I’m tabbing 
through my favorites, and I would like them to appear at the end.  Thanks for 
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Blessings,

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printer with voiceover

[Marianne Robbins]

My printer is dying and needs to be replaced. I am looking for something that 
will work well with a MacBook pro with sierra 10.12.3. (It would also be great 
if i could print from iPhone or iPad, but not essential) I use voiceover 
screenreader. I need compact size and controls that are not touch-screen 
dependent. (Many of the ones I have seen use touchpad without voice.) It would 
be great if I could use the keyboard to control it, or if there are tactile 
clues. Economy is a factor for sure. I'd be grateful for any suggestions from 
other voiceover users that use a printer regularly. Thanks.
Marianne Robbins
maryfairy2...@gmail.com



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Re: Apple music on android.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No i don’t want to disable it.
Then i rather don’t use apple music on my android phone.
/A
> 23 mars 2017 kl. 01:16 skrev Matthew Dyer :
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> 
> 
> Sounds like ypou have 2 step verification enabled on your account.  Try 
> disabling it and see what happens.  JMO 2 step verification coses more 
> trouble than it is worth.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/22/2017 07:06 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize 
>> and let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
>> I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on android.
>> However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type the 
>> password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other devices.
>> THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
>> I can not find any where to type the verification code.
>> So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
>> password and the verification code in the password field together?
>> It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android 
>> device.
>> Thanks in advance for all help.
>> /A
>> 
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Can it be the fact that it saves the files to Icloud Drive.
Not sure though why this should slow down things but just a thought.
/A
> 22 mars 2017 kl. 18:27 skrev Phil Halton :
> 
> I also have a sluggishness problem in TextEdit save dialogue, and my solution 
> has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again. This seems to bring 
> everything back right. I am running Sierra on a MacBook air with eight gig 
> ram. Although I don't think the ram or even the model of computer is an 
> issue. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
>> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
>> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
>> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
>> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
>> other suggestions or solutions.
>> Thank you,
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>>> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I use to run a program called cleanmymac which removes some junk and repairs 
disk permissions and a lot more.
I can not remember the price of the app but its not huge.
THe app has made my mac mini mid 2011 run a bit faster.
/A
> 22 mars 2017 kl. 17:56 skrev Gabe Griffith :
> 
> Hi,
> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
> other suggestions or solutions.
> Thank you,
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I have 8gb ram in a 2010 mbp and Text edit works fine. I also updated to a 
750gb SSD.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
> other suggestions or solutions.
> Thank you,
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Nancy
>> 
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>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
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Garage Band 10, Quantize a MIDI Track

['Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

Coming to grips with the latest Garage Band in Sierra, I am wondering if
there is a hotkey to immediately quantize a track after recording it.

I have looked through lists of hotkeys but have not found anything so far.

Thanks for any guidance.

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Re: Apple music on android.

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In light of

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/03/22/apple-responds-to-hack-threats/

two-factor auth seems like a really good idea.

CB

On 3/23/17 4:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Anders, you’re intuition is correct.  On native apple devices we get a separate 
pop up for the 2 factor response in this case the numerical portion of the 
response.  In your case, you don’t have that specific pop up so you would 
respond like this.  For our example say that your password is marshmallow and 
your response you received on an authorized device from Apple is 555333.  In 
your password prompt you would put in one group marshmellow555333 which 
contains your password and then the two factor response as an appended number.  
The authenticator at Apple knows to strip off the last 6 digits and pass them 
to the second factoring mechanism and your password goes off to LDAP and the 
database for authentication.  (Roughly so you get the idea). Let me know if 
that helps.


On Mar 22, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize and 
let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on android.
However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type the 
password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other devices.
THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
I can not find any where to type the verification code.
So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
password and the verification code in the password field together?
It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android device.
Thanks in advance for all help.
/A

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Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Interesting. I had not heard about spinning disks degrading over time. 
I've heard of operating systems getting loaded up with goo from old 
files left behind and such, but not the drive. There is the stuff about 
drives remapping bad blocks over time, but I wouldn't expect that to 
make an impact with all the on-drive caching these days.


CB

On 3/23/17 4:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Ok, remember that spinning drive will degrade over time and make that Mac crawl 
so make sure you’re backing up regularly because a reformat and reinstall does 
fix the problem.  (As does replacing it with an SSD).

Good luck and glad it’s sorted out.


On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:20 PM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
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This is a spinning hard drive, but a brand new Mac.
Fortunately, as others have suggested, it settled itself in after a day or so 
and is now running lightning fast.
Thanks.

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Subject: Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish

What kind of disk are you using, SSD or regular rotating/. Also is this a new 
IMAC or a used older model?

Thank you


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Hello.
I had tested out the $999 21 inch iMac running Sierra in the Apple Store, and 
it had run with impressive speed and responsiveness.
Applications opened quickly, web pages loaded quickly, and there was no lag or "busy 
signals" at all.
I purchased the unit, and set it up with my Apple ID and iCloud account, there 
were a couple of software updates, so the machine restarted twice.

It is not as fast ore responsive as in the Apple store.  There are occasional 
pauses or delays.

It is interesting, I have a 3 year old MacBook Air that is just as fast as the 
day it was purchased.
Yet, this new iMac is not quite running as smoothly as I would have expected, 
especially after having seen it running so beautifully in the Apple store.

Any suggestions at all for tweaking this Mac to run as might be expected?
Thanks a lot.



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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Nancy Badger]

Phil,
It worked! Thank you very much for the tip. I am also going to report this to 
Apple.
Nancy

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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I also have a sluggishness problem in TextEdit save dialogue, and my solution 
> has been to turn voiceover off and then back on again. This seems to bring 
> everything back right. I am running Sierra on a MacBook air with eight gig 
> ram. Although I don't think the ram or even the model of computer is an 
> issue. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
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>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
>> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
>> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
>> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
>> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
>> other suggestions or solutions.
>> Thank you,
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
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>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
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>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Nancy
>>> 
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Re: Text edit very sluggish when opening and saving documents

[Nancy Badger]

I have a iMac that I am using at work as far as I know it was purchased last 
summer. I just looked under "about" and it says late 2015.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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UT Chattanooga
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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
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> Hi,
> What model of Mac do you have? I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro and ever since 
> I have updated to Sierra I find everything to be very sluggish and get busy 
> messages in most apps. The only solution I have been able to come up with or 
> been given would be to upgrade my ram from four gigs to eight.
> I would also be very interested to hear if anyone else on this list as any 
> other suggestions or solutions.
> Thank you,
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Sent from Gabe's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Since I have upgraded to see Aira, I have noticed that text edit is very 
>> sluggish when opening and saving documents. It takes for ever to arrow 
>> through the dialog box. In fact I am writing this email why I am waiting on 
>> it to catch up. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is about to drive me 
>> crazy since I use it quite a bit.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Nancy
>> 
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Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish

[Scott Granados]

Ok, remember that spinning drive will degrade over time and make that Mac crawl 
so make sure you’re backing up regularly because a reformat and reinstall does 
fix the problem.  (As does replacing it with an SSD).

Good luck and glad it’s sorted out.

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:20 PM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> This is a spinning hard drive, but a brand new Mac.
> Fortunately, as others have suggested, it settled itself in after a day or so 
> and is now running lightning fast.
> Thanks.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New iMac, A Bit slow and Sluggish
> 
> What kind of disk are you using, SSD or regular rotating/. Also is this a new 
> IMAC or a used older model?
> 
> Thank you
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 9:55 AM, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hello.
>> I had tested out the $999 21 inch iMac running Sierra in the Apple Store, 
>> and it had run with impressive speed and responsiveness.
>> Applications opened quickly, web pages loaded quickly, and there was no lag 
>> or "busy signals" at all.
>> I purchased the unit, and set it up with my Apple ID and iCloud account, 
>> there were a couple of software updates, so the machine restarted twice.
>> 
>> It is not as fast ore responsive as in the Apple store.  There are 
>> occasional pauses or delays.
>> 
>> It is interesting, I have a 3 year old MacBook Air that is just as fast as 
>> the day it was purchased.
>> Yet, this new iMac is not quite running as smoothly as I would have 
>> expected, especially after having seen it running so beautifully in the 
>> Apple store.
>> 
>> Any suggestions at all for tweaking this Mac to run as might be expected?
>> Thanks a lot.
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Re: Apple music on android.

[Scott Granados]

Anders, you’re intuition is correct.  On native apple devices we get a separate 
pop up for the 2 factor response in this case the numerical portion of the 
response.  In your case, you don’t have that specific pop up so you would 
respond like this.  For our example say that your password is marshmallow and 
your response you received on an authorized device from Apple is 555333.  In 
your password prompt you would put in one group marshmellow555333 which 
contains your password and then the two factor response as an appended number.  
The authenticator at Apple knows to strip off the last 6 digits and pass them 
to the second factoring mechanism and your password goes off to LDAP and the 
database for authentication.  (Roughly so you get the idea). Let me know if 
that helps.

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize 
> and let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
> I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on android.
> However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type the 
> password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other devices.
> THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
> I can not find any where to type the verification code.
> So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
> password and the verification code in the password field together?
> It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android 
> device.
> Thanks in advance for all help.
> /A
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Re: Apple music on android.

[Scott Granados]

Ask John Podesta if 2 factor authentication is more trouble than it’s worth.;)

That’s a pretty reckless statement.  For we who store things like credit card 
numbers, personal files, and so on and so forth do you really just want a 
password between you and it?  I strongly and I mean strongly suggest everyone 
run and don’t walk and enable 2 factor authentication.  That’s my opinion 
however based on seeing the damage caused by having a single password only with 
no really strong protection in place.  The codes in 2 factor are very very hard 
to guess (almost impossible), in combination with a password you’re even more 
secure and even if your password is compromised your account is still safe and 
secure behind that second method of authentication.
If you really want to be secure you use some of the hardware based or 
application based for we blind users RSA clients that provide nice long strings 
that change every minute. The RSA secure client was very accessible and good on 
the iPhone and worked well with things like Pulse.  Even the 6 digit code stuff 
like Google and Apple use though is very very secure.
To be fair, Matthew may be right for the type of data he’s storing.  If 
for example he doesn’t store financial information or personal files or access 
accounts he’s concerned over from that device he well may be right.  On the 
other hand, if you have any of this content you should really consider it.  As 
I always say only you can value your data and in our example here possibly 
Matthew has a legitimate lack of need if for example the data isn’t of value or 
if he keeps things isolated. I use it because I keep documents I want to keep 
secure.  I also secure the data on the local side as well with encryption so 
it’s not an easy target.  We really need to be careful about security.  Things 
that might have slid a few years back are just to dangerous to ignore today as 
it really is a different landscape.  As always though, the choice is your own 
for your own data, value it carefully.

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Matthew Dyer  
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> 
> Sounds like ypou have 2 step verification enabled on your account.  Try 
> disabling it and see what happens.  JMO 2 step verification coses more 
> trouble than it is worth.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/22/2017 07:06 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize 
>> and let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
>> I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on android.
>> However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type the 
>> password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other devices.
>> THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
>> I can not find any where to type the verification code.
>> So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
>> password and the verification code in the password field together?
>> It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android 
>> device.
>> Thanks in advance for all help.
>> /A
>> 
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RE: Apple music on android.

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Anders 

Is there any option under the password  to bring a drop down box into focus.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 12:06 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Apple music on android.

Hi!
I don’t know if its offtopic to ask about this here but if so i appologize and 
let me know that so i can ask it on the eyes-free list instead.
I try to login to my apple music account with the apple music app on android.
However when i click the login button i get a dialog telling me to type the 
password together with the 2 step verification code sent to my other devices.
THen there is a try again button and i come back to the login screen.
I can not find any where to type the verification code.
So i am wondering if i should type the email in the e-mail field and the 
password and the verification code in the password field together?
It sounds very odd to me but i want to try apple music out on my android device.
Thanks in advance for all help.
/A

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RE: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to left, and something about footnotes

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah kind of,
 
I'm writing in English  and the words start left to right,
 Like my name "simon",

 If your writing right to left would my name still be spelt 
"Simon" 
Or 
"nomis" 

 
That's part of what I don't understand,

And yeah Japanese / Chinese etc write in funny shapes / characters 
Amazing caligrophy 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 8:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to left, and 
something about footnotes

Simon:

English, French, Spanish and many languages are written from left to right, but 
some languages like Arabic are written from right to left, others are written 
from top to buttomn like Japan  Language I think.
but anyway, our way in writing s the same, the screen view is different, but if 
you are writing with your hand, "hand writing on Paper." you must perform 
writing from right to left in Arabic.

Hope you can get the imnage now



On 3/23/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Jonathan:
> Thanks so much for your Detailed response.
> I discovered that the Mac itself is Clever enough to know if this 
> language needs to be written from left ot right or Vice versa.
>  so, it is working  with no short cut.
> Thanks again for your help
>
> On 3/23/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’m not trying to be racest or discriminate but I’m really interested 
>> in how you read right to left!
>>
>> Any chance you can explain how this works to a ignorant kiwi?
>>
>> Happy for you to email me off list but I’m actually interested in this.
>>
>> si...@fogarty.net.nz
>>
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 3:52 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to 
>> left, and something about footnotes
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> First, apparently the direction of a paragraph will be the direction 
>> of the language of the first character in the paragraph. So, if you 
>> are not mixing languages in paragraphs you should be in good shape.
>>
>> In pages, a(at least after I enabled Hebrew), there is a menu item 
>> under
>> format->Text to reverse the direction of the selection. Certainly not 
>> format->as
>> easy as the keystrokes. I also looked at the keyboard shortcut 
>> settings area and there is no way to redefine the keystrokes to 
>> control text direction.
>> So, a suggestion to the Accessibility folks could be to allow the 
>> control-option-command-arrow keystrokes to be remapped in the 
>> language area of keyboard shortcuts. Otherwise you are stuck with the 
>> format menu, or turning off VoiceOver changing the direction and then 
>> turning on VoiceOver.
>>
>> I even looked to see if I could find a way to adjust this with 
>> AppleScript.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> FOr all People that were asking the same question as me, here is the
>> answer:
>>
>> Make sure the preference to enable shortcuts is selected for the 
>> language in the Input Sources pane of Keyboard preferences.
>>
>>
>> ◾Change selected text to left to right: Press 
>> Command-Option-Control-Right Arrow.
>>
>>
>> ◾Change selected text to right to left: Press 
>> Command-Option-Control-Left Arrow.
>>
>>
>> ◾Change selected text to the default direction: Press 
>> Command-Option-Control-Down Arrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/18/17, Ramy Moustafa
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Still needs a reply plz
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Scott Granados 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I just learned something new.  Or rather had a new thought.  I 
>> know that some languages are written right to left but I never ever 
>> thought about translating that to a computer display or even entering 
>> text that way.
>>
>> Very very interesting.  I don’t have your solution but thank you for 
>> expanding my horizons a little.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> This Question may be strange for some people, but am typing in 
>> Arabic, and I need my Arabic writing to  be from right to left, also, 
>> how can I let Voice over read the writing direction?
>>
>> My Second question is that: can I increase or decrease the footnote 
>> font?
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> 

Re: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to left, and something about footnotes

[Ramy Moustafa]

Simon:

English, French, Spanish and many languages are written from left to
right, but some languages like Arabic are written from right to left,
others are written from top to buttomn like Japan  Language I think.
but anyway, our way in writing s the same, the screen view is different,
but if you are writing with your hand, "hand writing on Paper." you
must perform writing from right to left in Arabic.

Hope you can get the imnage now



On 3/23/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Jonathan:
> Thanks so much for your Detailed response.
> I discovered that the Mac itself is Clever enough to know if this
> language needs to be written from left ot right or Vice versa.
>  so, it is working  with no short cut.
> Thanks again for your help
>
> On 3/23/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’m not trying to be racest or discriminate but I’m really interested in
>> how
>> you read right to left!
>>
>> Any chance you can explain how this works to a ignorant kiwi?
>>
>> Happy for you to email me off list but I’m actually interested in this.
>>
>> si...@fogarty.net.nz
>>
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 3:52 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to left,
>> and
>> something about footnotes
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> First, apparently the direction of a paragraph will be the direction of
>> the
>> language of the first character in the paragraph. So, if you are not
>> mixing
>> languages in paragraphs you should be in good shape.
>>
>> In pages, a(at least after I enabled Hebrew), there is a menu item under
>> format->Text to reverse the direction of the selection. Certainly not as
>> easy as the keystrokes. I also looked at the keyboard shortcut settings
>> area
>> and there is no way to redefine the keystrokes to control text direction.
>> So, a suggestion to the Accessibility folks could be to allow the
>> control-option-command-arrow keystrokes to be remapped in the language
>> area
>> of keyboard shortcuts. Otherwise you are stuck with the format menu, or
>> turning off VoiceOver changing the direction and then turning on
>> VoiceOver.
>>
>> I even looked to see if I could find a way to adjust this with
>> AppleScript.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> FOr all People that were asking the same question as me, here is the
>> answer:
>>
>> Make sure the preference to enable shortcuts is selected for the
>> language in the Input Sources pane of Keyboard preferences.
>>
>>
>> ◾Change selected text to left to right: Press
>> Command-Option-Control-Right Arrow.
>>
>>
>> ◾Change selected text to right to left: Press
>> Command-Option-Control-Left Arrow.
>>
>>
>> ◾Change selected text to the default direction: Press
>> Command-Option-Control-Down Arrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/18/17, Ramy Moustafa
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Still needs a reply plz
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Scott Granados
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I just learned something new.  Or rather had a new thought.  I know
>> that some languages are written right to left but I never ever thought
>> about translating that to a computer display or even entering text that
>> way.
>>
>> Very very interesting.  I don’t have your solution but thank you for
>> expanding my horizons a little.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> This Question may be strange for some people, but am typing in Arabic,
>> and I need my Arabic writing to  be from right to left, also, how can
>> I let Voice over read the writing direction?
>>
>> My Second question is that: can I increase or decrease the footnote
>> font?
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>>
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>> Visionaries list.
>>
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark
>> at:
>> 

Re: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to left, and something about footnotes

[Ramy Moustafa]

Jonathan:
Thanks so much for your Detailed response.
I discovered that the Mac itself is Clever enough to know if this
language needs to be written from left ot right or Vice versa.
 so, it is working  with no short cut.
Thanks again for your help

On 3/23/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I’m not trying to be racest or discriminate but I’m really interested in how
> you read right to left!
>
> Any chance you can explain how this works to a ignorant kiwi?
>
> Happy for you to email me off list but I’m actually interested in this.
>
> si...@fogarty.net.nz
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 3:52 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to left, and
> something about footnotes
>
> Hello,
>
> First, apparently the direction of a paragraph will be the direction of the
> language of the first character in the paragraph. So, if you are not mixing
> languages in paragraphs you should be in good shape.
>
> In pages, a(at least after I enabled Hebrew), there is a menu item under
> format->Text to reverse the direction of the selection. Certainly not as
> easy as the keystrokes. I also looked at the keyboard shortcut settings area
> and there is no way to redefine the keystrokes to control text direction.
> So, a suggestion to the Accessibility folks could be to allow the
> control-option-command-arrow keystrokes to be remapped in the language area
> of keyboard shortcuts. Otherwise you are stuck with the format menu, or
> turning off VoiceOver changing the direction and then turning on VoiceOver.
>
> I even looked to see if I could find a way to adjust this with AppleScript.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> > wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> FOr all People that were asking the same question as me, here is the
> answer:
>
> Make sure the preference to enable shortcuts is selected for the
> language in the Input Sources pane of Keyboard preferences.
>
>
> ◾Change selected text to left to right: Press
> Command-Option-Control-Right Arrow.
>
>
> ◾Change selected text to right to left: Press
> Command-Option-Control-Left Arrow.
>
>
> ◾Change selected text to the default direction: Press
> Command-Option-Control-Down Arrow.
>
>
>
> On 3/18/17, Ramy Moustafa
> > wrote:
>
> Still needs a reply plz
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Scott Granados
> >
> wrote:
>
> Wow, I just learned something new.  Or rather had a new thought.  I know
> that some languages are written right to left but I never ever thought
> about translating that to a computer display or even entering text that
> way.
>
> Very very interesting.  I don’t have your solution but thank you for
> expanding my horizons a little.
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> >
> wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> This Question may be strange for some people, but am typing in Arabic,
> and I need my Arabic writing to  be from right to left, also, how can
> I let Voice over read the writing direction?
>
> My Second question is that: can I increase or decrease the footnote
> font?
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> --
> Ramy MoustafaSaber
> Music instructor @:
> Faculty ofmusical education
> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
> Harmony Recording Studio
> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>
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RE: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to left, and something about footnotes

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

I’m not trying to be racest or discriminate but I’m really interested in how 
you read right to left!

Any chance you can explain how this works to a ignorant kiwi?

Happy for you to email me off list but I’m actually interested in this.

si...@fogarty.net.nz



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 3:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing the writing from left to right, to right to left, and 
something about footnotes

Hello,

First, apparently the direction of a paragraph will be the direction of the 
language of the first character in the paragraph. So, if you are not mixing 
languages in paragraphs you should be in good shape.

In pages, a(at least after I enabled Hebrew), there is a menu item under 
format->Text to reverse the direction of the selection. Certainly not as easy 
as the keystrokes. I also looked at the keyboard shortcut settings area and 
there is no way to redefine the keystrokes to control text direction. So, a 
suggestion to the Accessibility folks could be to allow the 
control-option-command-arrow keystrokes to be remapped in the language area of 
keyboard shortcuts. Otherwise you are stuck with the format menu, or turning 
off VoiceOver changing the direction and then turning on VoiceOver.

I even looked to see if I could find a way to adjust this with AppleScript.

Best wishes,

Jonathan


On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:

Hello all:

FOr all People that were asking the same question as me, here is the answer:

Make sure the preference to enable shortcuts is selected for the
language in the Input Sources pane of Keyboard preferences.


◾Change selected text to left to right: Press
Command-Option-Control-Right Arrow.


◾Change selected text to right to left: Press
Command-Option-Control-Left Arrow.


◾Change selected text to the default direction: Press
Command-Option-Control-Down Arrow.



On 3/18/17, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:

Still needs a reply plz

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 17, 2017, at 4:56 AM, Scott Granados 
>
wrote:

Wow, I just learned something new.  Or rather had a new thought.  I know
that some languages are written right to left but I never ever thought
about translating that to a computer display or even entering text that
way.

Very very interesting.  I don’t have your solution but thank you for
expanding my horizons a little.


On Mar 16, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>
wrote:

Hello:

This Question may be strange for some people, but am typing in Arabic,
and I need my Arabic writing to  be from right to left, also, how can
I let Voice over read the writing direction?

My Second question is that: can I increase or decrease the footnote
font?
Thanks in advance


--
Ramy MoustafaSaber
Music instructor @:
Faculty ofmusical education
Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
Harmony Recording Studio
https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg

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