Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Jonathan Cohn]

Kevin,

If an app has available both GPS always and GPS when active options in IOS 10, 
then after GPS is accessed while the app is in the background IOS will bring up 
a dialog to allow you to disable background GPS activity. So this is not as 
hidden as many of the system options.

Though I doubt most IOS users have any clue how to adjust this setting after 
initial query.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 19, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> While choice and lots of settings sounds great in theory–it falls down in 
> practice. Only power-users, which is a small-subset of the user-base know 
> about these settings and even a smaller set of users that configure them. 
> It’s an engineer approach to stuff in lots of settings, but great UX Design 
> will have excellent defaults that are user focused.
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 7:42 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> I agree, more choice is a good thing.  Don’t let Uber or anyone else make 
> this choice for me.  As long as there’s a knob I can control my self I’m for 
> it.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree regarding the validity.  The benefit to this feature though is the 
>> choice from the user prospective.  If the user would rather not these apps 
>> do this sort of thing, they can disable it.  Improves on security and a 
>> user's ability to configure to their own preferences.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:29, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> There’s validity in apps like FourSquare, Yelp, etc. using location services 
>> in background. E.g. It’s able to provide proactive recommendations via 
>> notifications based on where I am/near without having to open the app. Same 
>> goes for being able to have Uber/Lyft know where I am and arrive faster–it’s 
>> a trade-off between usability and privacy.
>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely 
>> no reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and 
>> probably drains the battery faster.
>> > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
>> > feature would really be welcome.
>> > Mary
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> >> CNET
>> >> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> >> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the 
>> >> options
>> >> a developer provides.
>> >> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> >> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> >> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> >> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> >> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your 
>> >> location.
>> >> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> >> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD 
>> >> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> >> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> >> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> >> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> >> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > 
>> >> Privacy
>> >>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> >> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> >> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> >> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the 
>> >> beta
>> >> process progresses.
>> >> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> >> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> >>  
>> >> 
>> >> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> >>
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Re: brf files

[Caitlyn Furness]

I think voice dream will do this..

hth
Caitlyn

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 5:40 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   A couple possibilities which I have not tried. The Bard Mobile app or 
> AccessNote.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/20/2017 2:15 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> What is the best app for reading brf files on the iPhone?
>> Can I put these files into dropbox and load them into an app?
>> 
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
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Former iOS Chief Scott Forstall Discusses Creating the First iPhone - Mac Rumors

[Barry Hadder]

Thought some might find it interesting to hear from the old guard.
Even though I'm more oriented towards the Mac, I found this insightful.


> https://www.macrumors.com/2017/06/21/scott-forstall-discusses-creation-first-iphone/
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Re: Safari Busy

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, there is a screen reader available within Chrome as well.  It's called 
ChromeVox and is also useful when browsing.  It's improved a lot since its 
inception, but I still prefer VO when on the Mac.

Later

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:48, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Well, I reckon I’ll have to revisit my assumptions them.  Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps services 
> slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in things like 
> the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well in it.  I swap 
> back and forth between the two quite often when certain sites are not 
> behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users in our schools 
> also switch back and forth when something is not cooperating.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>> /A
 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr >:
 
 Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
 www.walmart.com 
 
 With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
 and cannot go anywhere.
 
 You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
 at all afterward.
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest 
> is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. 
> When Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few 
> minutes, you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file 
> you want to send along.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that 
>> my browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face 
>> these experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, I reckon I’ll have to revisit my assumptions them.  Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps services 
> slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in things like 
> the Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well in it.  I swap 
> back and forth between the two quite often when certain sites are not 
> behaving themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users in our schools 
> also switch back and forth when something is not cooperating.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>> /A
 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr >:
 
 Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
 www.walmart.com 
 
 With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
 and cannot go anywhere.
 
 You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
 at all afterward.
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest 
> is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. 
> When Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few 
> minutes, you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file 
> you want to send along.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that 
>> my browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face 
>> these experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

It is just that from what I heard, it was impossible to use with Voice Over so 
you had to download a special google voice package for it or something.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> What’s wrong with google chrome out of curiosity?
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called 
>> Lightning Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>>> /A
 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr >:
 
 Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
 www.walmart.com 
 
 With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
 and cannot go anywhere.
 
 You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it 
 at all afterward.
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest 
> is to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. 
> When Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few 
> minutes, you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file 
> you want to send along.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that 
>> my browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face 
>> these experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Actually, Chrome works very well on a Mac.  It handles Google Apps services 
slightly better than Safari does.  It works well with VO, as in things like the 
Item Chooser and other web-router items work fairly well in it.  I swap back 
and forth between the two quite often when certain sites are not behaving 
themselves in either browser.  Many sighted users in our schools also switch 
back and forth when something is not cooperating.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 21, 2017, at 14:25, Mary Otten  wrote:

It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr > wrote:

> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called Lightning 
> Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>> /A
>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr >> >:
>>> 
>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>> www.walmart.com 
>>> 
>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>>> and cannot go anywhere.
>>> 
>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at 
>>> all afterward.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall > wrote:
 
 I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
 hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
 That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
 have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is 
 to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When 
 Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, 
 you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to 
 send along.
 
 --
 Alex Hall
 
 
 
 
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that 
> my browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face 
> these experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
> 
> thanks.
> 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Mary Otten]

It's an android browser, and not relevant if you're using a Mac.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called Lightning 
> Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>> /A
>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr :
>>> 
>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>> www.walmart.com
>>> 
>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>>> and cannot go anywhere.
>>> 
>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at 
>>> all afterward.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
 hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
 That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
 have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is 
 to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When 
 Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, 
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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Scott Granados]

What’s wrong with google chrome out of curiosity?

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called Lightning 
> Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
>> /A
>>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr >> >:
>>> 
>>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>>> www.walmart.com 
>>> 
>>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>>> and cannot go anywhere.
>>> 
>>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at 
>>> all afterward.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall > wrote:
 
 I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
 hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
 That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
 have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is 
 to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When 
 Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, 
 you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to 
 send along.
 
 --
 Alex Hall
 
 
 
 
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that 
> my browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face 
> these experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

I will not touch Google Crome:  but, what is this here thing called Lightning 
Browser?  I reckon it’s accessible?


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
> /A
>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr > >:
>> 
>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>> www.walmart.com 
>> 
>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>> and cannot go anywhere.
>> 
>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at 
>> all afterward.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
>>> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
>>> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is 
>>> to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When 
>>> Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, 
>>> you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to 
>>> send along.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
 saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
 browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
 experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Scott Granados]

+1 to chrome here.

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
> /A
>> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr > >:
>> 
>> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
>> www.walmart.com 
>> 
>> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck 
>> and cannot go anywhere.
>> 
>> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at 
>> all afterward.
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
>>> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
>>> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is 
>>> to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When 
>>> Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, 
>>> you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to 
>>> send along.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
 saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
 browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
 experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Have you tried with lightning webbrowser or google chrome?
/A
> 21 juni 2017 kl. 16:48 skrev Ray Foret jr :
> 
> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
> www.walmart.com 
> 
> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck and 
> cannot go anywhere.
> 
> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at 
> all afterward.
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page hard 
>> to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. That 
>> said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I have no 
>> idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is to 
>> contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When Safari 
>> is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, you'll be 
>> placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to send along.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
>>> browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
>>> experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
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Re: Mac OS Server

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Normally, you should be able to go to the Purchased tab within the AppStore and 
download previous versions of the Server app.  The caveat here is that you must 
have purchased that app using the same Apple ID.  You may not see it yet, but 
once you install Mountain Lion or Mavericks on to the MacBook, and log into the 
AppStore, that version of Server should still be available to you.  Note that I 
use the word "should".  That's my favourite word when helping people with tech 
sorts of things :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 21, 2017, at 04:21, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Listers,
 
I’ve got an old 2009 / 2010 mac book 13” the old white plastic models I’m 
thinking of putting Mac OS Server on to.
 
I have a server version for either Mt Lion or Mavericks,  and I know these OS’s 
will run on the notebook,
However how would I go about obtaining the server add in for the OS
Is there an apple OS archive somewhere I can access?
As I can’t find my old installer file for the server OS  package.
 
I also need more ram and once I get the SSD into it I think it will be great.
 
Cheers,
 
 
Simon F
 
 

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RE: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[Rhonda Partain]

I  have use  VLC player to transcribe some audio. I needed to have the ability 
to slow the speech down and this worked wonderfully.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

Thanks.  I was going to suggest that too, as I use VLC as my primary audio and 
video player. I have not used the slow down feature much, though. But, have 
used it and know it does slow down speech to an annoyingly slow speed.

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On Behalf Of Nektarios Mallas
Sent: June 21, 2017 8:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

Hello Andrew, sorry about that. 
I ment the command key, it was probably the late Hour.  On 21 Jun 2017, at 12:22, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Nektarios, I will give it a go.  When you say "alt", do you mean 
> option key?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 20 Jun 2017, at 22:45, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello there.
>> Why don’ t you just use vlc media player for that purpose? 
>> Start playing the file and then use alt + minus to decrease the speed and 
>> alt + equals to go back to normal or to make it faster if you want. 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Nektarios. 
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2017, at 00:06, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in 
>>> Spanish, which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The 
>>> dialogue in the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which 
>>> I could somehow slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that 
>>> I can understand it better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed 
>>> is just too much at this stage for me.  Any ideas please?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Safari Busy

[Jonathan Cohn]

I occasionally get this type of error though usually in  the web composing
area of twitter or Facebook where there is text input and a completion
list. This is less  likely to occur if you don't have mouse follow
VoiceOver enabled and even less likely if you disable tracking altogether
on these sites. If the web developer has mouse  events and focus events
that cause content to show and hide in addition to changing the focus  for
  those items. I can't remember if it was on El Capitan or Sierra but
VoiceOVer certainly got lost when I was trying to post a tweet on the web
using a hashtag. I typed in #N and then could not find a way to complete
the hashtag.

On 21 June 2017 at 11:45, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This sort of thing usually happens either with a large amount of content,
> or if there are a lot of live regions that are constantly refreshing
> themselves.  I don't believe that it is a Safari problem, more of a VO
> buffer loading concern, but that's just my thoughts.  A couple of tricks
> that I've used in these situations is to cmd-tab out of Safari for a few
> seconds, then cmd-tab back in.  Also, turning off VO, waiting a few
> seconds, then turning it back on also gets past these sorts of issues.
> Even a combination of these two ideas often is helpful.  You could try
> Google Chrome which is also mostly compatible with VO and VO commands.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 08:48, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>
> Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget
> www.walmart.com
>
> With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck
> and cannot go anywhere.
>
> You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it
> at all afterward.
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page
> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it.
> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I
> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is
> to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When
> Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes,
> you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to
> send along.
>
> --
> Alex Hall
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari
> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my
> browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these
> experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>
> thanks.
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RE: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[David & his pack of dogs]

Thanks.  I was going to suggest that too, as I use VLC as my primary audio and 
video player. I have not used the slow down feature much, though. But, have 
used it and know it does slow down speech to an annoyingly slow speed.

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On Behalf Of Nektarios Mallas
Sent: June 21, 2017 8:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

Hello Andrew, sorry about that. 
I ment the command key, it was probably the late Hour.  On 21 Jun 2017, at 12:22, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Nektarios, I will give it a go.  When you say "alt", do you mean 
> option key?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 20 Jun 2017, at 22:45, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello there.
>> Why don’ t you just use vlc media player for that purpose? 
>> Start playing the file and then use alt + minus to decrease the speed and 
>> alt + equals to go back to normal or to make it faster if you want. 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Nektarios. 
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2017, at 00:06, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in 
>>> Spanish, which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The 
>>> dialogue in the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which 
>>> I could somehow slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that 
>>> I can understand it better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed 
>>> is just too much at this stage for me.  Any ideas please?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

This sort of thing usually happens either with a large amount of content, or if 
there are a lot of live regions that are constantly refreshing themselves.  I 
don't believe that it is a Safari problem, more of a VO buffer loading concern, 
but that's just my thoughts.  A couple of tricks that I've used in these 
situations is to cmd-tab out of Safari for a few seconds, then cmd-tab back in. 
 Also, turning off VO, waiting a few seconds, then turning it back on also gets 
past these sorts of issues.  Even a combination of these two ideas often is 
helpful.  You could try Google Chrome which is also mostly compatible with VO 
and VO commands.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 21, 2017, at 08:48, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
www.walmart.com 

With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck and 
cannot go anywhere.

You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at all 
afterward.

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page hard 
> to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. That 
> said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I have no 
> idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is to contact 
> Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When Safari is busy, 
> hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, you'll be placed in 
> a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to send along.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
>> browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
>> experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>> 
>> thanks.
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Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hello Andrew, sorry about that. 
I ment the command key, it was probably the late Hour.  On 21 Jun 2017, at 12:22, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Nektarios, I will give it a go.  When you say "alt", do you mean 
> option key?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 20 Jun 2017, at 22:45, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello there.
>> Why don’ t you just use vlc media player for that purpose? 
>> Start playing the file and then use alt + minus to decrease the speed and 
>> alt + equals to go back to normal or to make it faster if you want. 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Nektarios. 
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2017, at 00:06, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in 
>>> Spanish, which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The 
>>> dialogue in the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which 
>>> I could somehow slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that 
>>> I can understand it better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed 
>>> is just too much at this stage for me.  Any ideas please?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, one thing’s for sure.  You can forget 
www.walmart.com

With the Mac, the site is totally impossible to log in to.  You get stuck and 
cannot go anywhere.

You actually have to force quit Safari to be able to do anything with it at all 
afterward.

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page hard 
> to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. That 
> said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I have no 
> idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is to contact 
> Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When Safari is busy, 
> hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, you'll be placed in 
> a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to send along.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
>> browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
>> experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>> 
>> thanks.
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Re: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Nice to see this technology finally taking off.  I remember seeing VR and AR 
demonstrations years ago using huge silicon graphics work stations or large 
clusters of machines but with the new phones and so forth this stuff is 
starting to become mainstream.  Very interesting, thanks Mark for the article.

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 6:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for this,
> Very interesting article.
> 
> I can only say that I was impressed by the sound of the A R presentations of 
> the wwdc keynote,
> But its really the high end power users that will get the benefits currently 
> out of that technology.
> 
> But something to keep an eye on especially if Sir PJ is involved,
> Although that could be just my Kiwi patriotic side coming out.
> But it's kind of like apple are developing the hardware now for VR and A R 
> development like silicon graphics were doing 30 years ago.
> 
> Lets see what happens I guess.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET
> 
> CNET News - Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:16 AM
> 
> How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A  - CNET
> 
> Augmented or so-called "mixed" reality brings digital objects into the real 
> world.
> GIF by Sean Hollister/CNET
> We knew Apple CEO Tim Cook was keenly interested in virtual reality (VR) and 
> augmented reality (AR). But earlier this month, Apple finally -- and openly
> -- revealed its plans to the world.
> Apple dedicated a significant portion of its Worldwide Developers Conference
> (WWDC) to ambitious new plans to bring VR to your Mac, and A R  to your iPad 
> and iPhone. 
> Like Facebook, Google and Microsoft -- each of which also showcased A R  and 
> VR plans at recent dev conferences, too -- Apple is now part of a battle for 
> what the future of computing might look like. 
> And whether it's transporting you to faraway or imaginary places with VR, or 
> making virtual objects appear out of thin air with A R , the company suddenly 
> has skin in the game that it didn't just last month. 
> Apple's success is still far from guaranteed -- but it already seems like the 
> company has some key advantages.
> Apple didn't reply to requests for comment for this story.
> Apple's A R  tech works remarkably well
> WWDC was the first time Apple publicly demonstrated its A R  tech -- and yet, 
> it may already have the upper hand. Apple's A R Kit doesn't necessarily work 
> any better than, say, Google's Tango -- but Google requires special phones 
> bristling with optical sensors. 
> We totally weren't expecting A R  to be anywhere near this good with only the 
> single camera of an off-the-shelf iPhone:
> Overall, Apple's technique seems to do a pretty bang-up job of placing 
> virtual objects into the real world, without even taking advantage of the 
> second camera on the iPhone 6S Plus and iPhone 7 Plus. (At WWDC, Apple 
> announced that developers will soon be able to integrate calculations from 
> that second camera, too.) Plus, the tech doesn't only work in Apple's demos 
> at WWDC: Developers who've installed the new iOS 11 preview build on their 
> own iPhones and iPads A R e uploading YouTube videos that show it works in 
> the varying environments and lighting conditions of the real world, too. 
> An A R  marketplace that's already millions strong While not every recent 
> iPhone or iPad will be able to run A R  apps, millions upon millions A R e 
> already eligible -- and presumably, every new iPhone and iPad from here on 
> out. You can't say the same about Google's A R initiative, which not only has 
> to convince each Android hardware partners to put a big, presumably costly 
> Tango sensor module in the back of their phones, but also sell consumers on 
> those specialized handsets instead of sleeker ones without. 
> So far, only two Tango phones exist, of which one was a flop, and the other 
> set to be a Verizon exclusive in the US this summer. 
> What if Google adopts a simpler, single-camera A R  technique too? Android 
> runs on so many different phones and software revisions that it might be hard 
> to catch up. It could be even more of a challenge for A R  rivals Facebook, 
> Microsoft and Snapchat, which have to build apps that run on top of iOS and 
> Android since they don't have popular phones of their own.
> Quiet launch buys time
> 
> Apple's original iPhone didn't kick off the smartphone: it was predated by 
> the BlackBerry, the Palm Treo, Windows Phones and other devices.
> James Martin/CNET
> Despite its reputation as an innovator, Apple has a long history of being 
> fashionably late to the party. "For us, it's never been about being first to 
> anything," Cook said in a WWDC interview with Bloomberg. 
> 

Re: Safari Busy

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks for the explanation, Alex.  I've obviously never done this, but it's 
very good info to have.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 8:03 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Sorry if my message wasn't clear. Pressing cmd-option-shift-ctrl-period is 
> how you take a diagnostic snapshot on the Mac. After anywhere from two to 
> five minutes, Finder opens with focus on the compressed file, which is still 
> very large. You then send this file, along with a description of the problem, 
> to Apple. You don't need to do this all the time, of course, but I am 
> sometimes asked for this file when VO is acting in a way that can't be 
> reproduced easily. I am guessing that, since only some users have Safari 
> problems, diagnostics may help Apple find the problem.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 08:48, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
>> Alex,
>> 
>> What is that CMD-Option-CTRL-period?  I've tried pressing it and it does 
>> nothing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page 
>>> hard to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. 
>>> That said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I 
>>> have no idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is 
>>> to contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When 
>>> Safari is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, 
>>> you'll be placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to 
>>> send along.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
 saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
 browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
 experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Alex Hall]

Sorry if my message wasn't clear. Pressing cmd-option-shift-ctrl-period is how 
you take a diagnostic snapshot on the Mac. After anywhere from two to five 
minutes, Finder opens with focus on the compressed file, which is still very 
large. You then send this file, along with a description of the problem, to 
Apple. You don't need to do this all the time, of course, but I am sometimes 
asked for this file when VO is acting in a way that can't be reproduced easily. 
I am guessing that, since only some users have Safari problems, diagnostics may 
help Apple find the problem.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 08:48, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Alex,
> 
> What is that CMD-Option-CTRL-period?  I've tried pressing it and it does 
> nothing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page hard 
>> to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. That 
>> said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I have no 
>> idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is to 
>> contact Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When Safari 
>> is busy, hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, you'll be 
>> placed in a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to send along.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
>>> browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
>>> experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
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Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Audacity for the Mac can slow down files for you without altering their
pitch. If you install Audacity, be sure to get the version that's screen
reader enabled, which is not the same as the latest version. Check here:

http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Audacity_for_blind_users

There are undoubtedly other tools, especially good command line
tools--though using the Mac terminal is a bit of a challenge with Voice
Over.

I, myself, do this kind of chore using my Linux machine and a tool
called rubberband. I haven't tried porting rubberband to my Airbook with
homebrew, but it might be worth trying that.

BTW: The feature you're asking for should eventually find its way into
standard media players and web browsers. It's a major need for many,
many people in today's world. With all the migration of people's over
recent decades from one country to another, there are millions, arguably
billions of people who live in a country whose language is not their
native language. All these people would benefit if they could, for
example, listen to the news slowed down a bit. And, as you're trying to
do, it would help them learn the language.

FYI: This feature has a name. It's called time scale modification, and
this feature is directly supported in the HTML5 specifications.

Good luck!

Janina

Andrew Lamanche writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in 
> Spanish, which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The 
> dialogue in the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which I 
> could somehow slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that I 
> can understand it better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed is 
> just too much at this stage for me.  Any ideas please?
> 
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Re: Adding carriage returns to text file

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

There are tools for this task, because it's a common need whichever
platform one is on. Here's a relevant article:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20031018164326986

I have not used LineBrake myself, mostly because I generally use the
Unix/Linux dos2unix (or unix2dos) tool which does the same thing.

Here's a bit more info about what this is all about:

Microsoft indicates end of line with a pair of control characters, both
Ctrl-J and Ctrl-M together.

Unix/Linux uses only Ctrl-J

Apple uses Ctrl-M


Ergo: We need a tool that will assist reading our files when we port
them among platforms.

hth

Janina

Tyler Thompson writes:
> You could also use regular expressions in a wide variety of text editors to 
> replace all \n characters (newline) with \r\n (basically the carriage return 
> you were looking for)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 14:42, Chris Moore  wrote:
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> > Hello,
> > I had the need to add carriage returns to a text file created on my mac so 
> > I could read it properly on my braille device.  After several hours of 
> > experimentation from articles found on google, I discovered that the only 
> > way to accomplish this was using the “vi” program in terminal.  Here are 
> > the steps:
> > 
> > 1.  open the terminal program.
> > 2.  interact with the terminal window with vo shift down-arrow.
> > 3.  if the file is not in your home directory, change to the appropriate 
> > folder with the “cd” command.
> > 4.  Open the file with the vi editor with “vi file”
> > 5. type: “:set fileformat=dos” 
> > 6.  Now save the file with “:wq”
> > 
> > Remember that the quotes around the above commands are NOT to be entered.
> > 
> > There may be other approaches, but this one is quite simple once you use it 
> > a few times.
> > 
> > Chris
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Re: Safari Busy

[Donna Goodin]

Alex,

What is that CMD-Option-CTRL-period?  I've tried pressing it and it does 
nothing.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page hard 
> to use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. That 
> said, I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I have no 
> idea why this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is to contact 
> Apple about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When Safari is busy, 
> hit cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, you'll be placed in 
> a Finder window where you'll find the file you want to send along.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari 
>> saying busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my 
>> browsing experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these 
>> experiences? If so, which browser do you use?
>> 
>> thanks.
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Re: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

think about what happens if you take a picture of a car, does the cam
say car later when you go over the picture, lots of interesting things
seems to be going on now :)

On 6/21/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for this,
>  Very interesting article.
>
>  I can only say that I was impressed by the sound of the A R presentations
> of the wwdc keynote,
>  But its really the high end power users that will get the benefits
> currently out of that technology.
>
>  But something to keep an eye on especially if Sir PJ is involved,
>  Although that could be just my Kiwi patriotic side coming out.
> But it's kind of like apple are developing the hardware now for VR and A R
> development like silicon graphics were doing 30 years ago.
>
> Lets see what happens I guess.
>
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> Subject: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R -
> CNET
>
> CNET News - Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:16 AM
>
> How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A  - CNET
>
> Augmented or so-called "mixed" reality brings digital objects into the real
> world.
> GIF by Sean Hollister/CNET
> We knew Apple CEO Tim Cook was keenly interested in virtual reality (VR) and
> augmented reality (AR). But earlier this month, Apple finally -- and openly
> -- revealed its plans to the world.
> Apple dedicated a significant portion of its Worldwide Developers
> Conference
> (WWDC) to ambitious new plans to bring VR to your Mac, and A R  to your iPad
> and iPhone.
> Like Facebook, Google and Microsoft -- each of which also showcased A R  and
> VR plans at recent dev conferences, too -- Apple is now part of a battle for
> what the future of computing might look like.
> And whether it's transporting you to faraway or imaginary places with VR, or
> making virtual objects appear out of thin air with A R , the company
> suddenly has skin in the game that it didn't just last month.
> Apple's success is still far from guaranteed -- but it already seems like
> the company has some key advantages.
> Apple didn't reply to requests for comment for this story.
> Apple's A R  tech works remarkably well
> WWDC was the first time Apple publicly demonstrated its A R  tech -- and
> yet, it may already have the upper hand. Apple's A R Kit doesn't necessarily
> work any better than, say, Google's Tango -- but Google requires special
> phones bristling with optical sensors.
> We totally weren't expecting A R  to be anywhere near this good with only
> the single camera of an off-the-shelf iPhone:
> Overall, Apple's technique seems to do a pretty bang-up job of placing
> virtual objects into the real world, without even taking advantage of the
> second camera on the iPhone 6S Plus and iPhone 7 Plus. (At WWDC, Apple
> announced that developers will soon be able to integrate calculations from
> that second camera, too.) Plus, the tech doesn't only work in Apple's demos
> at WWDC: Developers who've installed the new iOS 11 preview build on their
> own iPhones and iPads A R e uploading YouTube videos that show it works in
> the varying environments and lighting conditions of the real world, too.
> An A R  marketplace that's already millions strong While not every recent
> iPhone or iPad will be able to run A R  apps, millions upon millions A R e
> already eligible -- and presumably, every new iPhone and iPad from here on
> out. You can't say the same about Google's A R initiative, which not only
> has to convince each Android hardware partners to put a big, presumably
> costly Tango sensor module in the back of their phones, but also sell
> consumers on those specialized handsets instead of sleeker ones without.
> So far, only two Tango phones exist, of which one was a flop, and the other
> set to be a Verizon exclusive in the US this summer.
> What if Google adopts a simpler, single-camera A R  technique too? Android
> runs on so many different phones and software revisions that it might be
> hard to catch up. It could be even more of a challenge for A R  rivals
> Facebook, Microsoft and Snapchat, which have to build apps that run on top
> of iOS and Android since they don't have popular phones of their own.
> Quiet launch buys time
>
> Apple's original iPhone didn't kick off the smartphone: it was predated by
> the BlackBerry, the Palm Treo, Windows Phones and other devices.
> James Martin/CNET
> Despite its reputation as an innovator, Apple has a long history of being
> fashionably late to the party. "For us, it's never been about being first to
> anything," Cook said in a WWDC interview with Bloomberg.
> "We didn't have the first MP3 player. We didn't have the first smartphone.
> We didn't have the first tablet," he continued, explaining why the company's
> new HomePod smart speaker -- unveiled alongside A 

Re: Keychain issues

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks Robert, 

I’ll also look under Safari preferences for this password.
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:10 PM, Robert Carter  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> By default, the keychain password is the same password that you use to unlock 
> your Mac.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
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> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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>> Can someone explain to me how to retrieve a password stored in Keychain? I 
>> don’t recall ever setting a master Keychain password, which it asks for on 
>> my Mac when trying to retrieve one. This is a web site log in that I had 
>> automatically chosen by Safari rather than trying to remember one. Now I 
>> need said password for another device, my iPhone on a 3rd party app where it 
>> can’t just be filled in apparently. 
>> 
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Re: Safari Busy

[Alex Hall]

I use Safari. On rare occasions I'll get busy messages that make a page hard to 
use, but it's uncommon enough that I don't really worry about it. That said, 
I've heard plenty of people say they experience what you do. I have no idea why 
this happens to some and not others. All I can suggest is to contact Apple 
about it, maybe with some system diagnostic files. When Safari is busy, hit 
cmd-option-control-shift-period. After a few minutes, you'll be placed in a 
Finder window where you'll find the file you want to send along.

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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 22:29, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am wondering which browser all of you use? I often experience Safari saying 
> busy, busy, busy… and it is very frustrating… I have to say that my browsing 
> experience is far from delightful. Does anyone else face these experiences? 
> If so, which browser do you use?
> 
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Mac OS Server

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

I've got an old 2009 / 2010 mac book 13" the old white plastic models I'm 
thinking of putting Mac OS Server on to.

I have a server version for either Mt Lion or Mavericks,  and I know these OS's 
will run on the notebook,
However how would I go about obtaining the server add in for the OS
Is there an apple OS archive somewhere I can access?
As I can't find my old installer file for the server OS  package.

I also need more ram and once I get the SSD into it I think it will be great.

Cheers,


Simon F


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RE: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for this,
 Very interesting article.

 I can only say that I was impressed by the sound of the A R presentations of 
the wwdc keynote,
 But its really the high end power users that will get the benefits currently 
out of that technology.

 But something to keep an eye on especially if Sir PJ is involved,
 Although that could be just my Kiwi patriotic side coming out.
But it's kind of like apple are developing the hardware now for VR and A R 
development like silicon graphics were doing 30 years ago.

Lets see what happens I guess.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

CNET News - Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:16 AM

How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A  - CNET
 
Augmented or so-called "mixed" reality brings digital objects into the real 
world.
GIF by Sean Hollister/CNET
We knew Apple CEO Tim Cook was keenly interested in virtual reality (VR) and 
augmented reality (AR). But earlier this month, Apple finally -- and openly
-- revealed its plans to the world.
Apple dedicated a significant portion of its Worldwide Developers Conference
(WWDC) to ambitious new plans to bring VR to your Mac, and A R  to your iPad 
and iPhone. 
Like Facebook, Google and Microsoft -- each of which also showcased A R  and VR 
plans at recent dev conferences, too -- Apple is now part of a battle for what 
the future of computing might look like. 
And whether it's transporting you to faraway or imaginary places with VR, or 
making virtual objects appear out of thin air with A R , the company suddenly 
has skin in the game that it didn't just last month. 
Apple's success is still far from guaranteed -- but it already seems like the 
company has some key advantages.
Apple didn't reply to requests for comment for this story.
Apple's A R  tech works remarkably well
WWDC was the first time Apple publicly demonstrated its A R  tech -- and yet, 
it may already have the upper hand. Apple's A R Kit doesn't necessarily work 
any better than, say, Google's Tango -- but Google requires special phones 
bristling with optical sensors. 
We totally weren't expecting A R  to be anywhere near this good with only the 
single camera of an off-the-shelf iPhone:
Overall, Apple's technique seems to do a pretty bang-up job of placing virtual 
objects into the real world, without even taking advantage of the second camera 
on the iPhone 6S Plus and iPhone 7 Plus. (At WWDC, Apple announced that 
developers will soon be able to integrate calculations from that second camera, 
too.) Plus, the tech doesn't only work in Apple's demos at WWDC: Developers 
who've installed the new iOS 11 preview build on their own iPhones and iPads A 
R e uploading YouTube videos that show it works in the varying environments and 
lighting conditions of the real world, too. 
An A R  marketplace that's already millions strong While not every recent 
iPhone or iPad will be able to run A R  apps, millions upon millions A R e 
already eligible -- and presumably, every new iPhone and iPad from here on out. 
You can't say the same about Google's A R initiative, which not only has to 
convince each Android hardware partners to put a big, presumably costly Tango 
sensor module in the back of their phones, but also sell consumers on those 
specialized handsets instead of sleeker ones without. 
So far, only two Tango phones exist, of which one was a flop, and the other set 
to be a Verizon exclusive in the US this summer. 
What if Google adopts a simpler, single-camera A R  technique too? Android runs 
on so many different phones and software revisions that it might be hard to 
catch up. It could be even more of a challenge for A R  rivals Facebook, 
Microsoft and Snapchat, which have to build apps that run on top of iOS and 
Android since they don't have popular phones of their own.
Quiet launch buys time
 
Apple's original iPhone didn't kick off the smartphone: it was predated by the 
BlackBerry, the Palm Treo, Windows Phones and other devices.
James Martin/CNET
Despite its reputation as an innovator, Apple has a long history of being 
fashionably late to the party. "For us, it's never been about being first to 
anything," Cook said in a WWDC interview with Bloomberg. 
"We didn't have the first MP3 player. We didn't have the first smartphone.
We didn't have the first tablet," he continued, explaining why the company's 
new HomePod smart speaker -- unveiled alongside A R  and VR announcements -- 
was A R riving so long after Amazon's Echo and Google Home. "It's not about 
being first. It's about being the best."
In almost all those cases, Apple revealed its products with a flashy 
presentation to drum up consumer excitement. The company's move to A R  and VR 
isn't quite the same; A R  and VR A R e being 

RE: MacBook pro with touch bar.

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I’ve got a mac book air 11” from mid 2013
 I love the keyboard on this machine but yeah guess like anything you need to 
practise with the device
 The time I’ve spent with one of those things is very limited but I found the 
flatness of the board and lack of space my biggest issues.

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Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 10:23 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

You really do need to use it for a day or three. The original keyboards with 
the butterfly switches, found on the 2015 Retina MacBooks, were terrible. The 
new ones, found on the updated Retina MacBooks and the newer Pros, have a 
little more separation between the keys. I find it just enough to tactually 
distinguish each key, yet the surface area of the keys is still a little larger 
thus making typing easier. I'm writing on the keyboard now, and I just find it 
a comfortable, easy experience. But keyboards, like speech synthesizers, are 
very subjective. I'd recommend the OP try one out for as long as the store will 
let him stay so he can see exactly how it feels.

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On Jun 20, 2017, at 05:24, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

That's interesting Alex,

I haven’t used the keyboard a lot but I really don't like that keyboard on the 
new mac ooks,

No real definition between them like the older style keyboards,


-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2017 4:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MacBook pro with touch bar.

I'll reiterate my response from that thread, in case the OP of this one didn't 
see that one.

I really like the keyboard. It's comfortable after an initial period of 
adjustment, and I find it easier to press keys. Moving to an older Mac now 
feels like more work than I'm used to having to put into typing. The Touch Bar 
is right above the numbers, so you may sometimes touch it by mistake, but I 
very rarely do that. Even if I do, the concepts of iOS apply here, so you have 
to double tap to activate what you touch. This means that touching something 
will speak it, but not activate it. Yes, the trackpad is larger, but I don't 
find that to be much of a problem. Well, not much more than in other Macs, I 
should say. I've always had the problem of accidental touches doing things, 
especially with Trackpad Commander on or VO set to follow the mouse. That's 
annoying, but not much more so on this Mac than any other.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:45, Scott Granados 
> wrote:

Hi there, so others different with me but I don’t like the built in keyboard 
and the light bar is to sensitive.  My fingers trigger things like mute and 
screen brightness when I’m typing on the top row of keys.  The keyboard is also 
very small and your fingers that tend to rest near the touch pad trigger the 
touch pad.  However, I added a Magic keyboard and mouse and love the wireless 
keyboard option.  You get the old keys back and with better feel.  The 
processing power and speed of the new laptops is very very good though.


On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Sadam Ahmed 
> wrote:

Hi all,


Wondering what others impressions have been with the MacBook pro with touch bar?


And how's the keyboard?


I am looking at getting one.


Best,


Sadam Ahmed

JAWS certified, 2017

Mobile:

+ 61 435 892 944
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Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Tim,

Many thanks.  Just followed your instructions and it indeed works.

Great and thanks again.

Andrew
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 22:34, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the following link should allow you to download QuickTime 7.  It was the old 
> QuickTime Pro app from long ago.
> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201288 
> 
> 
> Even though it says only up to El Capitan, it still works for me in Sierra.  
> When you install the QuickTime 7 app, it is placed in your Utilities folder, 
> leave it there.  You can then open it, press cmd-o to open a file, locate the 
> file you wish to manipulate, and open it.  Press the space bar to begin 
> playing, then either go up to the Window menu and select Show A/V controls, 
> or press cmd-k to open them.  Way down near the bottom of this window you'll 
> note "Reverse, Forward, Half X, 1 X, 2 X etc".  Just above that, there's a 
> slider.  Interact with the slider and move it left to slow down and right to 
> speed up.  Once you've got the desired speed, you can close the window if you 
> wish, or just leave it open, no matter either way.  There may be a URL error 
> when you first open QuickTime 7, but just press OK and move on.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 15:06, Andrew Lamanche  > wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in 
> Spanish, which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The 
> dialogue in the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which I 
> could somehow slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that I 
> can understand it better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed is 
> just too much at this stage for me.  Any ideas please?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Playing an audio file at a slower pace

[Andrew Lamanche]

Thanks Nektarios, I will give it a go.  When you say "alt", do you mean option 
key?

Andrew
> On 20 Jun 2017, at 22:45, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
> 
> Hello there.
> Why don’ t you just use vlc media player for that purpose? 
> Start playing the file and then use alt + minus to decrease the speed and alt 
> + equals to go back to normal or to make it faster if you want. 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Nektarios. 
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2017, at 00:06, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Here's my dilemma I need to solve in a day or two.  I have a video in 
>> Spanish, which I need to work on for my class. (I'm learning Spanish).  The 
>> dialogue in the video is a bit too fast.  Is there an app or a way in which 
>> I could somehow slow down the speech without distorting the quality so that 
>> I can understand it better?  I know that I can understand it but the speed 
>> is just too much at this stage for me.  Any ideas please?
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

I am still much more excited about image regnition.

On 6/20/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> CNET News - Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:16 AM
>
> How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A  - CNET
>
> Augmented or so-called "mixed" reality brings digital objects into the real
> world.
> GIF by Sean Hollister/CNET
> We knew Apple CEO Tim Cook was keenly interested in virtual reality (VR)
> and
> augmented reality (AR). But earlier this month, Apple finally -- and openly
> -- revealed its plans to the world.
> Apple dedicated a significant portion of its Worldwide Developers
> Conference
> (WWDC) to ambitious new plans to bring VR to your Mac, and A R  to your
> iPad
> and iPhone.
> Like Facebook, Google and Microsoft -- each of which also showcased A R
> and
> VR plans at recent dev conferences, too -- Apple is now part of a battle
> for
> what the future of computing might look like.
> And whether it's transporting you to faraway or imaginary places with VR,
> or
> making virtual objects appear out of thin air with A R , the company
> suddenly has skin in the game that it didn't just last month.
> Apple's success is still far from guaranteed -- but it already seems like
> the company has some key advantages.
> Apple didn't reply to requests for comment for this story.
> Apple's A R  tech works remarkably well
> WWDC was the first time Apple publicly demonstrated its A R  tech -- and
> yet, it may already have the upper hand. Apple's A R Kit doesn't
> necessarily
> work any better than, say, Google's Tango -- but Google requires special
> phones bristling with optical sensors.
> We totally weren't expecting A R  to be anywhere near this good with only
> the single camera of an off-the-shelf iPhone:
> Overall, Apple's technique seems to do a pretty bang-up job of placing
> virtual objects into the real world, without even taking advantage of the
> second camera on the iPhone 6S Plus and iPhone 7 Plus. (At WWDC, Apple
> announced that developers will soon be able to integrate calculations from
> that second camera, too.)
> Plus, the tech doesn't only work in Apple's demos at WWDC: Developers
> who've
> installed the new iOS 11 preview build on their own iPhones and iPads A R e
> uploading YouTube videos that show it works in the varying environments and
> lighting conditions of the real world, too.
> An A R  marketplace that's already millions strong
> While not every recent iPhone or iPad will be able to run A R  apps,
> millions upon millions A R e already eligible -- and presumably, every new
> iPhone and iPad from here on out. You can't say the same about Google's A R
> initiative, which not only has to convince each Android hardware partners
> to
> put a big, presumably costly Tango sensor module in the back of their
> phones, but also sell consumers on those specialized handsets instead of
> sleeker ones without.
> So far, only two Tango phones exist, of which one was a flop, and the other
> set to be a Verizon exclusive in the US this summer.
> What if Google adopts a simpler, single-camera A R  technique too? Android
> runs on so many different phones and software revisions that it might be
> hard to catch up. It could be even more of a challenge for A R  rivals
> Facebook, Microsoft and Snapchat, which have to build apps that run on top
> of iOS and Android since they don't have popular phones of their own.
> Quiet launch buys time
>
> Apple's original iPhone didn't kick off the smartphone: it was predated by
> the BlackBerry, the Palm Treo, Windows Phones and other devices.
> James Martin/CNET
> Despite its reputation as an innovator, Apple has a long history of being
> fashionably late to the party. "For us, it's never been about being first
> to
> anything," Cook said in a WWDC interview with Bloomberg.
> "We didn't have the first MP3 player. We didn't have the first smartphone.
> We didn't have the first tablet," he continued, explaining why the
> company's
> new HomePod smart speaker -- unveiled alongside A R  and VR announcements
> --
> was A R riving so long after Amazon's Echo and Google Home. "It's not about
> being first. It's about being the best."
> In almost all those cases, Apple revealed its products with a flashy
> presentation to drum up consumer excitement. The company's move to A R  and
> VR isn't quite the same; A R  and VR A R e being telegraphed even earlier
> so
> app developers can begin to tinker A R ound with the tech, and so new
> hardware and accessories can be lined up without piercing the veil of
> secrecy.
> That's important, because so far, Apple's demos don't feel like game
> changers. An interactive Star Wars VR scene from Lucasfilm's Industrial
> Light & Magic division? Cool, but you've been able to download a similar
> one
> for VR-ready Windows PCs for months now. A slightly more realistic Pokemon
> Go? Great, but that's so 2016.
> And while Apple's A R  demo (from Peter Jackson's company Wingnut A R ) was
> graphically quite impressive, it 

Re: Adding carriage returns to text file

[Ian Robinson]

Hi Tyler,

As well as using search and replace as another lister suggests, you can set 
TextEdit to save all files in the Windows format if preferred.

Go into TextEdit Preferences, choose the Open and Save tab, then look at the 
settings for Plain Text File Encoding.

Regards.

Ian



> On 20 Jun 2017, at 23:54, Tyler Thompson  wrote:
> 
> You could also use regular expressions in a wide variety of text editors to 
> replace all \n characters (newline) with \r\n (basically the carriage return 
> you were looking for)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 14:42, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I had the need to add carriage returns to a text file created on my mac so I 
>> could read it properly on my braille device.  After several hours of 
>> experimentation from articles found on google, I discovered that the only 
>> way to accomplish this was using the “vi” program in terminal.  Here are the 
>> steps:
>> 
>> 1.  open the terminal program.
>> 2.  interact with the terminal window with vo shift down-arrow.
>> 3.  if the file is not in your home directory, change to the appropriate 
>> folder with the “cd” command.
>> 4.  Open the file with the vi editor with “vi file”
>> 5. type: “:set fileformat=dos” 
>> 6.  Now save the file with “:wq”
>> 
>> Remember that the quotes around the above commands are NOT to be entered.
>> 
>> There may be other approaches, but this one is quite simple once you use it 
>> a few times.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
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Re: Latest VoiceDream Reader

[Ian Robinson]

Hi Robert,

Yep, same problem here.

If audio is playing, flicking up or down on the Audio Settings button stops the 
audio and VoiceOver becomes more and more unresponsive as I try to flick around 
the screen.  This happened with both an MP3 file and a Daisy book.

After closing  Voice Dream in the App Switcher, I opened it up again and the 
previous audio file was at zero percent as if it had never been played.

Regards.

Ian


> On 20 Jun 2017, at 21:54, Robert Carter  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> For me, the ability to adjust audio speed is broken in the June 19th update 
> to VoiceDream Reader. If I start an audio file playing and attempt to change 
> the speed, the app crashes. I reported this to the developer but am wondering 
> whether others can reproduce this? If not, I will delete an reinstall but 
> don’t really want to do that if it is a bug that everybody is experiencing.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert Carter
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How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A R - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET News - Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:16 AM

How Apple leapt ahead of Google, Facebook and Microsoft on A  - CNET
 
Augmented or so-called "mixed" reality brings digital objects into the real
world.
GIF by Sean Hollister/CNET 
We knew Apple CEO Tim Cook was keenly interested in virtual reality (VR) and
augmented reality (AR). But earlier this month, Apple finally -- and openly
-- revealed its plans to the world.
Apple dedicated a significant portion of its Worldwide Developers Conference
(WWDC) to ambitious new plans to bring VR to your Mac, and A R  to your iPad
and iPhone. 
Like Facebook, Google and Microsoft -- each of which also showcased A R  and
VR plans at recent dev conferences, too -- Apple is now part of a battle for
what the future of computing might look like. 
And whether it's transporting you to faraway or imaginary places with VR, or
making virtual objects appear out of thin air with A R , the company
suddenly has skin in the game that it didn't just last month. 
Apple's success is still far from guaranteed -- but it already seems like
the company has some key advantages.
Apple didn't reply to requests for comment for this story.
Apple's A R  tech works remarkably well
WWDC was the first time Apple publicly demonstrated its A R  tech -- and
yet, it may already have the upper hand. Apple's A R Kit doesn't necessarily
work any better than, say, Google's Tango -- but Google requires special
phones bristling with optical sensors. 
We totally weren't expecting A R  to be anywhere near this good with only
the single camera of an off-the-shelf iPhone:
Overall, Apple's technique seems to do a pretty bang-up job of placing
virtual objects into the real world, without even taking advantage of the
second camera on the iPhone 6S Plus and iPhone 7 Plus. (At WWDC, Apple
announced that developers will soon be able to integrate calculations from
that second camera, too.)
Plus, the tech doesn't only work in Apple's demos at WWDC: Developers who've
installed the new iOS 11 preview build on their own iPhones and iPads A R e
uploading YouTube videos that show it works in the varying environments and
lighting conditions of the real world, too. 
An A R  marketplace that's already millions strong
While not every recent iPhone or iPad will be able to run A R  apps,
millions upon millions A R e already eligible -- and presumably, every new
iPhone and iPad from here on out. You can't say the same about Google's A R
initiative, which not only has to convince each Android hardware partners to
put a big, presumably costly Tango sensor module in the back of their
phones, but also sell consumers on those specialized handsets instead of
sleeker ones without. 
So far, only two Tango phones exist, of which one was a flop, and the other
set to be a Verizon exclusive in the US this summer. 
What if Google adopts a simpler, single-camera A R  technique too? Android
runs on so many different phones and software revisions that it might be
hard to catch up. It could be even more of a challenge for A R  rivals
Facebook, Microsoft and Snapchat, which have to build apps that run on top
of iOS and Android since they don't have popular phones of their own.
Quiet launch buys time
 
Apple's original iPhone didn't kick off the smartphone: it was predated by
the BlackBerry, the Palm Treo, Windows Phones and other devices.
James Martin/CNET 
Despite its reputation as an innovator, Apple has a long history of being
fashionably late to the party. "For us, it's never been about being first to
anything," Cook said in a WWDC interview with Bloomberg. 
"We didn't have the first MP3 player. We didn't have the first smartphone.
We didn't have the first tablet," he continued, explaining why the company's
new HomePod smart speaker -- unveiled alongside A R  and VR announcements --
was A R riving so long after Amazon's Echo and Google Home. "It's not about
being first. It's about being the best."
In almost all those cases, Apple revealed its products with a flashy
presentation to drum up consumer excitement. The company's move to A R  and
VR isn't quite the same; A R  and VR A R e being telegraphed even earlier so
app developers can begin to tinker A R ound with the tech, and so new
hardware and accessories can be lined up without piercing the veil of
secrecy.
That's important, because so far, Apple's demos don't feel like game
changers. An interactive Star Wars VR scene from Lucasfilm's Industrial
Light & Magic division? Cool, but you've been able to download a similar one
for VR-ready Windows PCs for months now. A slightly more realistic Pokemon
Go? Great, but that's so 2016. 
And while Apple's A R  demo (from Peter Jackson's company Wingnut A R ) was
graphically quite impressive, it wasn't interactive.
But Apple didn't necessarily need to wow right out of the gate. Whether it's
the next iPhone (expected in September) or even a rumored future standalone
set of "Apple Glasses," there A R e still opportunities to deliver Steve
Jobs-level oomph to