Re: High Sierra VO Commands

[E.T.]

   Amending my query. Is there a list of commands that were changed or 
added? Such as the speech rotor. Thanks.


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On 8/6/2017 7:33 PM, E.T. wrote:

   Is there a liar of the VO commands in the current beta?

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High Sierra VO Commands

[E.T.]

   Is there a liar of the VO commands in the current beta?

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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

[E.T.]

   Thanks, looks like a good keyboard. Even offers matching iPhone 
colors, might wait until next month when I get a new iPhone.


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On 8/6/2017 5:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

Hi,
Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, but 
can pair to up to five devices at once.
HTH,
Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:


  What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? Logitech 
perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full size. I was 
looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but may as well 
consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.

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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Kliphton Miller]

It actually costs about 114 from amazon at least, and it says on there it only 
pairs to 4 devices.  I hate keypads though.  My Logitech pairs to 3 devices, 
and is only 80 bucks, so I will stick to it.  JMO
> On Aug 6, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
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> Hi, 
> Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, but 
> can pair to up to five devices at once.
> HTH, 
> Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
>> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
>> size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but may 
>> as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
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Re: Mac Mail threads stop expanding

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi,

I also have this happen from time to time. I fine that if I press the left and 
right arrows together to turn quicknav off or on then I can expand or collapse 
the thread with the left or right arrows instead of using VO space.

Gabe

> On Aug 5, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> Excellent!  Thank you!  It doesn’t seem to be fixing the ability to use the 
> arrow keys but at least I can open the threads without restarting.
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There's always a really easy fix I'm able to use when it does this. If you 
>> interact with the thread itself, and use VO-right a few times, it'll say 
>> “ message conversation, collapsed”. If you VO-space on that, it'll 
>> expand. Just stop interacting before moving down into the thread. It's 
>> worked for me every time.
>> 
>> Brandon
>>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This happens every so often and I have yet to detect a pattern.  I become 
>>> unable to expand collapsed message threads in Mail.  I try quitting Mail 
>>> and Voiceover and restarting but that usually doesn’t work. As a last 
>>> resort I will restart the Mac.  That’s not quite the pain it would be in 
>>> Windows, but I’d still rather not do that.  Any suggestions for easier 
>>> fixes?
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Re: focus jumping while typing

[Gabe Griffith]

Thanks Anne for the suggestions and assistance.

I'm not able to go check everything now but I'm saving your message and will 
check it out as soon as possible. 

It does look like if I add the function key to the control option shift f3 
command it toggles the cursor tracking on and off.

Gabe

 On Aug 5, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Gabe,
> 
> Open VoiceOver Utility, go down to Navigation. Navigate right to Mouse 
> pointer and press VO-Space on the pop up button to the right, and set it to 
> Ignores VoiceOver cursor.
> It sounds as though you also need to switch the way the function keys work by 
> doing what I recommended to Kevin. In case you’ve lost that message, here’s 
> what to do.
> Go into System Preferences and select Keyboard. Select the first tab, 
> Keyboard, then use the Item Chooser (VO-i) to find the Use F1, F2, etc. keys 
> as standard function keysv checkbox and check it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2017, at 07:43, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ann,
>> 
>> It is entirely possible that this is the case. Can you tell me how I would 
>> check this and turn it off if it is? I tried the control option shift f3 
>> command Anders suggested and that just beeps at me.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:11 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder if you have your mouse pointer tied to your VO cursor. This can 
>>> cause jumping problems sometimes.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 4 Aug 2017, at 11:54, John JD Denning  wrote:
 
 I have had it happen only in numbers. And it's happened quite a few times. 
 I wish I knew a fix for it because it is incredibly annoying.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 3, 2017, at 23:51, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It seems like in the last few weeks I have started having an issue where 
> my focus jumps around in my document or email while I am typing. I will 
> be happily typing along and all of a sudden my focus will be at the 
> beginning of my line paragraph or document. When typing this email for 
> example I all of a sudden had VO telling me no links when I typed an l on 
> something and have had to relocate my place several times.
> 
> Has anyone else ever had this happen or have any ideas what could be 
> causing it? At first I thought it might be app specific or that I was 
> hitting the touchpad but it's happened to me in mail, text edit and pages.
> 
> I am using a 2011 macbook pro with Sierra 10.12.5 and 16 gigs of ram.
> 
> If anyone has any assistance to offer I would greatly appreciate it. It 
> is very annoying to have to stop and find my location every word and a 
> half while typing.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Gabe
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, but 
can pair to up to five devices at once.
HTH, 
Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full size. 
> I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but may as well 
> consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
> 
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Bluetooth Keyboards

[E.T.]

   What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but 
may as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.


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Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[David Chittenden]

Considering that blindness, including low vision to as good as 20/200 (6/60), 
which uses screen enlargement and not usually VoiceOver, is approximately 0.5% 
of the population, I would say that the sighted population shares the world 
with us, often grudgingly. If one wants things to be announced and explained 
from the blindness perspective, there are a few products which do most, if not 
all, of what the iPhone does, that are made for the blind. These products are 
bulky and expensive, but they are focused on our tiny market.

Kind regards,

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> On 7/08/2017, at 02:44, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   We share the univers with the sighted population. We are using mainstream 
> devices. Instead of making noise about the lack of blind perspectives, 
> appreciate the advancements coming our way and take comfort in knowing we 
> will not be left behind. If you are apprehensive about the changes, do not 
> yup0grade for a month or three and wait until we get the blind perspective on 
> Applevis.
> 
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> 
>> On 8/6/2017 9:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with 
>> Voice Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating 
>> system came out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to date 
>> with what's going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as I will 
>> learn to do these things with voice over as I simply can't use the I phone a 
>> sighted way.  I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my father got 
>> his I phone, he asked me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could 
>> not understand his question because I did not use Zoom and could not 
>> understand what he wanted to know.  I am around sighted people most of the 
>> day at work as well as with my family as no one is a blind person there, and 
>> thus if anyone wants to know anything about the phone, I can only explain it 
>> in the concept of voice over.  That is what I'm trying to say, I am only 
>> able to concept the I phone with voice over and I can't understand the 
>> sighted way.  I would if I had seen but I have not and that is why when I 
>> read these articles, there is something missing, my sight and the 
>> frustration begins from my side.
>> 
>> I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading these 
>> articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it in the 
>> sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read everything but 
>> the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to use the phone in 
>> the way my sighted peers do use it.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Kawal,
>>> 
>>> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I 
>>> am a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
>>> VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone 
>>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology 
>>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>>> 
>>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue 
>>> to post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can 
>>> simply delete/ignore them.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is 
>>> going to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a 
>>> sighted person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the 
>>> phone in the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using 
>>> Voice Over.  So all these things would be better if we were going to learn 
>>> how to do these things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind 
>>> users.  If I wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted 
>>> person did, then I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these 
>>> articles in my opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many 
>>> others will say other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a 
>>> blind person using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight 
>>> and can use the phone in the main stream kind of way.
>>> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to 

Re: Reading ePub files on the mac

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
Granted I cannot be certain this will work because of copyright.  Still, 
robobraille,

www.robobraille.org
will convert epub books into things like rtf which might? be accessed from 
another program.
Because the conversion is supported by educational institutions, his 
school might  assist with any issues copyright wise assuming the files 
cannot be converted.

Just an idea,
Kare


On Sun, 6 Aug 2017, Kat DeNicola wrote:




I have a friend who needs to read his ePub textbooks on the mac.  Two
Questions about this:

1. I know ePub books read in iBooks, but I???m finding navigating the text
clunky. The up and down arrows go from page to page, it seems, and not line
by line, so I???m having to use the trackpad rotor on the navigation setting
to do that. I don???t have much experience with iBooks, and my friend even
less so. Is there an easier way to navigate the text?

2. What are the options for accessible ePub readers for the mac other than
iBooks?



Thanks!

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Re: Reading ePub files on the mac

[John Panarese]

   You’ll need to use the VoiceOver navigation commands to successfully 
navigate books in iBooks. The regular arrows don’t work effectively.

The application, iText Express will read EPUB books as well., 
> On Aug 6, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Kat DeNicola  wrote:
> 
> I have a friend who needs to read his ePub textbooks on the mac.  Two 
> Questions about this:
> 
> 1. I know ePub books read in iBooks, but I’m finding navigating the text 
> clunky. The up and down arrows go from page to page, it seems, and not line 
> by line, so I’m having to use the trackpad rotor on the navigation setting to 
> do that. I don’t have much experience with iBooks, and my friend even less 
> so. Is there an easier way to navigate the text?
> 
> 2. What are the options for accessible ePub readers for the mac other than 
> iBooks?
> 
>  
> Thanks!
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Reading ePub files on the mac

[Kat DeNicola]

 

I have a friend who needs to read his ePub textbooks on the mac.  Two 
Questions about this:

1. I know ePub books read in iBooks, but I’m finding navigating the text 
clunky. The up and down arrows go from page to page, it seems, and not line 
by line, so I’m having to use the trackpad rotor on the navigation setting 
to do that. I don’t have much experience with iBooks, and my friend even 
less so. Is there an easier way to navigate the text?

2. What are the options for accessible ePub readers for the mac other than 
iBooks?

 

Thanks!

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Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[Nancy Badger]

Also, a lot of us on the list are partially sighted. I use voiceover, and 
sometimes I still use my eyes with the colors inverted.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Aug 6, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> One perspective is to read the article and then you could be able to help 
> your sighted friends and family.
> 
> Just my thought.
> Most of the articles are saved here in my saved messages and i will read them 
> as soon i feel for it.
> /A
> 
>> 6 aug. 2017 kl. 18:33 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with 
>> Voice Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating 
>> system came out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to date 
>> with what's going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as I will 
>> learn to do these things with voice over as I simply can't use the I phone a 
>> sighted way.  I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my father got 
>> his I phone, he asked me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could 
>> not understand his question because I did not use Zoom and could not 
>> understand what he wanted to know.  I am around sighted people most of the 
>> day at work as well as with my family as no one is a blind person there, and 
>> thus if anyone wants to know anything about the phone, I can only explain it 
>> in the concept of voice over.  That is what I'm trying to say, I am only 
>> able to concept the I phone with voice over and I can't understand the 
>> sighted way.  I would if I had seen but I have not and that is why when I 
>> read these articles, there is something missing, my sight and the 
>> frustration begins from my side.
>> 
>> I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading these 
>> articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it in the 
>> sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read everything but 
>> the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to use the phone in 
>> the way my sighted peers do use it.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Kawal,
>>> 
>>> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I 
>>> am a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
>>> VoiceOver.  
>>> 
>>> Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone 
>>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology 
>>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>>> 
>>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue 
>>> to post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can 
>>> simply delete/ignore them.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
>>> 
>>> Hello Mark.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is 
>>> going to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a 
>>> sighted person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the 
>>> phone in the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using 
>>> Voice Over.  So all these things would be better if we were going to learn 
>>> how to do these things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind 
>>> users.  If I wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted 
>>> person did, then I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these 
>>> articles in my opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many 
>>> others will say other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a 
>>> blind person using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight 
>>> and can use the phone in the main stream kind of way.
>>> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to 
>>> understand, what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to 
>>> understand all this.
>>> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as 
>>> I will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use 
>>> my I phone as a sighted person can.
>>> Kawal.
 On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 11 
 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know just 
 what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple has 
 to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle 

Re: Dragon Dictate for the Mac and VoiceOver

[-dan d.]

At least in the early days the dictation in the mac os10 was a flavor of 
this software.  Depending on your goals the current dictation is quite 
good.


It can serve for text input.

It can also trigger apple script, prform commands, and do just about any
task you might want using it.

You might want to try to see if it fits your needs.  There are online 
tutorials.   Here as astart, lots more  with a google search:


Use Dictation Commands to tell your Mac what to do

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203085

On Sat, 5 Aug 
2017, Angus MacKinnon wrote:



I was thinking of Dragon Dictate for the Mac. How well does Dragon Dictate for 
the Mac work with VoiceOver (VO)?

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
One perspective is to read the article and then you could be able to help your 
sighted friends and family.

Just my thought.
Most of the articles are saved here in my saved messages and i will read them 
as soon i feel for it.
/A

> 6 aug. 2017 kl. 18:33 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with 
> Voice Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating 
> system came out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to date 
> with what's going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as I will 
> learn to do these things with voice over as I simply can't use the I phone a 
> sighted way.  I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my father got his 
> I phone, he asked me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could not 
> understand his question because I did not use Zoom and could not understand 
> what he wanted to know.  I am around sighted people most of the day at work 
> as well as with my family as no one is a blind person there, and thus if 
> anyone wants to know anything about the phone, I can only explain it in the 
> concept of voice over.  That is what I'm trying to say, I am only able to 
> concept the I phone with voice over and I can't understand the sighted way.  
> I would if I had seen but I have not and that is why when I read these 
> articles, there is something missing, my sight and the frustration begins 
> from my side.
> 
> I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading these 
> articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it in the 
> sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read everything but 
> the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to use the phone in the 
> way my sighted peers do use it.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Kawal,
>> 
>> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I am 
>> a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
>> VoiceOver.  
>> 
>> Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone 
>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology 
>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>> 
>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue to 
>> post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply 
>> delete/ignore them.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
>> 
>> Hello Mark.
>> 
>> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is 
>> going to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a 
>> sighted person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the 
>> phone in the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using 
>> Voice Over.  So all these things would be better if we were going to learn 
>> how to do these things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind 
>> users.  If I wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted 
>> person did, then I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these 
>> articles in my opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many 
>> others will say other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a 
>> blind person using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight 
>> and can use the phone in the main stream kind of way.
>> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
>> what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all 
>> this.
>> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as 
>> I will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my 
>> I phone as a sighted person can.
>> Kawal.
>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 11 
>>> expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know just 
>>> what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple has 
>>> to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks, 
>>> but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some 
>>> getting used to.
>>> 
>>> Notification Center is no more
>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now 
>>> it's called Cover Sheet.
>>> 
>>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works in 
>>> the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take 
>>> action or clear them. Swipe 

RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[M. Taylor]

You are very welcome, Donna and, thank you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 8:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

OK, I'll be the first to disagree. :)

It's true we're blind users, but we can't just put our heads in the sand and be 
ignorant of changes that impact sighted users.  Also, some of those changes, as 
with the notification and control centers will most certainly impact us.  We 
just don't know yet how VO users will interact with them.

Thank you, Mark, for posting the articles.  I found them to be interesting and 
informative.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 6, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark.
> 
> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
> to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
> person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in 
> the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  
> So all these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these 
> things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I 
> wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then 
> I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my 
> opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say 
> other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a blind person 
> using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use 
> the phone in the main stream kind of way.
> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
> what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all 
> this.
> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
> will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
> phone as a sighted person can.
> Kawal.
>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 
>> 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know 
>> just what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest 
>> Apple has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle 
>> tweaks, but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly 
>> take some getting used to.
>> 
>> Notification Center is no more
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that 
>> now it's called Cover Sheet.
>> 
>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works 
>> in the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take 
>> action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch 
>> the camera or view your Today panel.
>> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and 
>> Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
>> 
>> No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced the 
>> iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure sensitive 
>> screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly switch between 
>> apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
>> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you 
>> want. It's simply not going to work.
>> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
>> 
>> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled 
>> iOS 11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has 
>> it too; albeit in very limited situations.
>> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album 
>> instead of tapping around.
>> Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts 
>> to hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag 
>> the photo to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want. 
>> Neat, right?
>> 
>> NFC is open for all
>> An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with 
>> the release of iOS 11.
>> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC 
>> capabilities instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
>> As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will undoubtedly 
>> see the option to scan NFC tags to view more information about a 
>> product or connect to gym equipment, for example.
>> The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon 
>> Marketplace) and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).
>> 
>> Control Center is brand new. again
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to 
>> 

Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[E.T.]

   We share the univers with the sighted population. We are using 
mainstream devices. Instead of making noise about the lack of blind 
perspectives, appreciate the advancements coming our way and take 
comfort in knowing we will not be left behind. If you are apprehensive 
about the changes, do not yup0grade for a month or three and wait until 
we get the blind perspective on Applevis.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/6/2017 9:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with Voice 
Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating system came 
out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to date with what's 
going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as I will learn to do 
these things with voice over as I simply can't use the I phone a sighted way.  
I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my father got his I phone, he 
asked me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could not understand his 
question because I did not use Zoom and could not understand what he wanted to 
know.  I am around sighted people most of the day at work as well as with my 
family as no one is a blind person there, and thus if anyone wants to know 
anything about the phone, I can only explain it in the concept of voice over.  
That is what I'm trying to say, I am only able to concept the I phone with 
voice over and I can't understand the sighted way.  I would if I had seen but I 
have not and that is why when I read these articles, there is something 
missing, my sight and the frustration begins from my side.

I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading these 
articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it in the 
sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read everything but 
the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to use the phone in the 
way my sighted peers do use it.

Kawal.

On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Kawal,

First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I am a 
visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
VoiceOver.

Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone updated 
on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology news that, 
sighted or not, affects us all.

Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue to 
post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply 
delete/ignore them.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Hello Mark.

Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in the 
sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  So all 
these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these things 
with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I wanted to 
know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then I could find 
that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my opinion do not 
belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say other wise but I am 
a blind user using voice over and not a blind person using my phone in the 
sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use the phone in the main 
stream kind of way.
I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all this.
No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
phone as a sighted person can.
Kawal.

On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:

CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 11
expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know just
what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple has
to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks,
but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some
getting used to.

Notification Center is no more
Jason Cipriani/CNET
Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now
it's called Cover Sheet.

Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and 

Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with Voice 
Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating system came 
out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to date with what's 
going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as I will learn to do 
these things with voice over as I simply can't use the I phone a sighted way.  
I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my father got his I phone, he 
asked me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could not understand his 
question because I did not use Zoom and could not understand what he wanted to 
know.  I am around sighted people most of the day at work as well as with my 
family as no one is a blind person there, and thus if anyone wants to know 
anything about the phone, I can only explain it in the concept of voice over.  
That is what I'm trying to say, I am only able to concept the I phone with 
voice over and I can't understand the sighted way.  I would if I had seen but I 
have not and that is why when I read these articles, there is something 
missing, my sight and the frustration begins from my side.

I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading these 
articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it in the 
sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read everything but 
the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to use the phone in the 
way my sighted peers do use it.

Kawal.
> On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kawal,
> 
> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I am 
> a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
> VoiceOver.  
> 
> Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone 
> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology news 
> that, sighted or not, affects us all.
> 
> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue to 
> post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply 
> delete/ignore them.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
> 
> Hello Mark.
> 
> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
> to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
> person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in 
> the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  
> So all these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these 
> things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I 
> wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then 
> I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my 
> opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say 
> other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a blind person 
> using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use 
> the phone in the main stream kind of way.
> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
> what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all 
> this.
> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
> will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
> phone as a sighted person can.
> Kawal.
>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 11 
>> expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know just 
>> what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple has 
>> to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks, 
>> but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some 
>> getting used to.
>> 
>> Notification Center is no more
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now 
>> it's called Cover Sheet.
>> 
>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works in 
>> the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take 
>> action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch 
>> the camera or view your Today panel.
>> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and 
>> Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
>> 
>> No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced the 
>> iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure sensitive 
>> screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly switch 

RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[M. Taylor]

Hello Kawal,

First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I am a 
visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
VoiceOver.  

Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone updated 
on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology news that, 
sighted or not, affects us all.

Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue to 
post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply 
delete/ignore them.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Hello Mark.

Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in the 
sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  So all 
these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these things 
with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I wanted to 
know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then I could find 
that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my opinion do not 
belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say other wise but I am 
a blind user using voice over and not a blind person using my phone in the 
sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use the phone in the main 
stream kind of way.
I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all this.
No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
phone as a sighted person can.
Kawal.
> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 11 
> expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know just 
> what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple has 
> to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks, 
> but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some 
> getting used to.
> 
> Notification Center is no more
> Jason Cipriani/CNET
> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now 
> it's called Cover Sheet.
> 
> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works in 
> the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take 
> action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch 
> the camera or view your Today panel.
> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and 
> Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
> 
> No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced the 
> iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure sensitive 
> screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly switch between 
> apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you 
> want. It's simply not going to work.
> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
> 
> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
> Jason Cipriani/CNET
> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled iOS 
> 11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has it 
> too; albeit in very limited situations.
> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album 
> instead of tapping around.
> Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts 
> to hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag 
> the photo to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want. Neat, 
> right?
> 
> NFC is open for all
> An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with 
> the release of iOS 11.
> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
> Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC 
> capabilities instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
> As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will undoubtedly 
> see the option to scan NFC tags to view more information about a 
> product or connect to gym equipment, for example.
> The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon 
> Marketplace) and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).
> 
> Control Center is brand new. again
> Jason Cipriani/CNET
> When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to view 
> Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel approach of 
> iOS 10 is gone.
> Instead, Control Center is a continuous 

Re: Unlocking Users & Groups

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Simon,

Single User mode is not necessary to accomplish this.  It's probably safer, but 
since Single User mode isn't particularly accessible, there are ways of getting 
around such things.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 6, 2017, at 02:29, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

I think your talking about doing this from single user mode,
I've done this in a mac el capitan training course  and yes it is a case of 
deleting and or renaming a system file and it starting the setup again.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2017 2:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unlocking Users & Groups

Hi,

Actually, it can normally just be done using Terminal from the Recovery 
partition.  At least I've done it that way in the past.  The trick is to remove 
a specific hidden file, thus telling your Mac that it is at the new 
installation stage.  When in the new installation mode, the Setup Assistant 
will appear whereby you set up a new Admin user and you're good to go from 
there.  This normally works fine except in the cases where File Vault is 
enabled.  In that case, you're hooped.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 3, 2017, at 15:48, E.T.  wrote:

Anders,
 That would put the Mac into single user mode which is not accessible so I just 
started over again.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all the 
challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and say God did 
it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/3/2017 2:43 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> There is but you have to use the terminal.
> I can’t for the life of me remember the command to do this.
> /A
> 
>> 3 aug. 2017 kl. 00:12 skrev Joseph Hudson :
>> 
>> Sounds like to me you might be in need for a reinstall. And I don't think 
>> that there's a way out besides that.
>>  Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> High Sierra beta. Not sure what went wrong. I changed the name of the user 
>>> folder. After restarting, I found my user account is no longer an 
>>> administrative account. I cannot unlock Users & Groups so I cannot change 
>>> my account status. I can change my login password and log in but cannot 
>>> unlock. What do I need to do?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[E.T.]

Kawal,
   My take is this. We do use the iPhone pretty much as a sighted 
person does but we have the adaptation that comes with Voiceover. The 
experience really is not that different.


   If you want the blind perspective, go to Applevis.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/6/2017 7:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Hello Mark.

Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in the 
sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  So all 
these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these things 
with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I wanted to 
know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then I could find 
that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my opinion do not 
belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say other wise but I am 
a blind user using voice over and not a blind person using my phone in the 
sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use the phone in the main 
stream kind of way.
I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all this.
No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
phone as a sighted person can.
Kawal.

On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:

CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
With iOS 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to
know just what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple
has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks, but
there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some getting
used to.

Notification Center is no more
Jason Cipriani/CNET
Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now it's
called Cover Sheet.

Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works in the
same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take action or clear
them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch the camera or view
your Today panel.
Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and
Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.

No more Force Touch for quick app switching
When Apple announced the iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a
pressure sensitive screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly
switch between apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you want. It's
simply not going to work.
Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.

Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
Jason Cipriani/CNET
Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled iOS 11 in
June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has it too; albeit
in very limited situations.
In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album instead of
tapping around.
Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts to
hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag the photo
to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want. Neat, right?

NFC is open for all
An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with the
release of iOS 11.
Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC capabilities
instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will undoubtedly see
the option to scan NFC tags to view more information about a product or
connect to gym equipment, for example.
The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon Marketplace)
and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).

Control Center is brand new. again
Jason Cipriani/CNET
When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to view
Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel approach of iOS 10
is gone.
Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can hard
press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove items from
Control Center through the Settings app.

App Store has a fresh coat of paint
Sarah Tew/CNET
A long overdue change to the App Store is coming. With a more visually
appealing, interactive design, the App Store looks nothing like it used to.
The new design will highlight new apps and developers and looks a lot like
Apple Music. Only 

Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[Donna Goodin]

OK, I'll be the first to disagree. :)

It's true we're blind users, but we can't just put our heads in the sand and be 
ignorant of changes that impact sighted users.  Also, some of those changes, as 
with the notification and control centers will most certainly impact us.  We 
just don't know yet how VO users will interact with them.

Thank you, Mark, for posting the articles.  I found them to be interesting and 
informative.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 6, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark.
> 
> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
> to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
> person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in 
> the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  
> So all these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these 
> things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I 
> wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then 
> I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my 
> opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say 
> other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a blind person 
> using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use 
> the phone in the main stream kind of way.
> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
> what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all 
> this.
> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
> will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
> phone as a sighted person can.
> Kawal.
>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
>> With iOS 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to
>> know just what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple
>> has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks, but
>> there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some getting
>> used to. 
>> 
>> Notification Center is no more
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET 
>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now it's
>> called Cover Sheet.
>> 
>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works in the
>> same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take action or clear
>> them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch the camera or view
>> your Today panel.
>> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and
>> Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
>> 
>> No more Force Touch for quick app switching
>> When Apple announced the iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a
>> pressure sensitive screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly
>> switch between apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
>> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you want. It's
>> simply not going to work.
>> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
>> 
>> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET 
>> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled iOS 11 in
>> June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has it too; albeit
>> in very limited situations.
>> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album instead of
>> tapping around. 
>> Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts to
>> hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag the photo
>> to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want. Neat, right?
>> 
>> NFC is open for all
>> An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with the
>> release of iOS 11. 
>> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET 
>> Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC capabilities
>> instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
>> As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will undoubtedly see
>> the option to scan NFC tags to view more information about a product or
>> connect to gym equipment, for example.
>> The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon Marketplace)
>> and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace). 
>> 
>> Control Center is brand new. again
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET 
>> When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to view
>> Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel approach of iOS 10
>> is gone.
>> Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can hard
>> press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove items from
>> Control Center through the Settings app.
>> 
>> App Store has a fresh coat of paint
>> Sarah Tew/CNET 
>> A 

Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Mark.

Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in the 
sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  So all 
these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these things 
with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I wanted to 
know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then I could find 
that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my opinion do not 
belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say other wise but I am 
a blind user using voice over and not a blind person using my phone in the 
sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use the phone in the main 
stream kind of way.
I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all this.
No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
phone as a sighted person can.
Kawal.
> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
> With iOS 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to
> know just what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest Apple
> has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle tweaks, but
> there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly take some getting
> used to. 
> 
> Notification Center is no more
> Jason Cipriani/CNET 
> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that now it's
> called Cover Sheet.
> 
> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works in the
> same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take action or clear
> them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch the camera or view
> your Today panel.
> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and
> Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
> 
> No more Force Touch for quick app switching
> When Apple announced the iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a
> pressure sensitive screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly
> switch between apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you want. It's
> simply not going to work.
> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
> 
> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
> Jason Cipriani/CNET 
> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled iOS 11 in
> June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has it too; albeit
> in very limited situations.
> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album instead of
> tapping around. 
> Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it starts to
> hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen (or drag the photo
> to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album you want. Neat, right?
> 
> NFC is open for all
> An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with the
> release of iOS 11. 
> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET 
> Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC capabilities
> instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
> As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will undoubtedly see
> the option to scan NFC tags to view more information about a product or
> connect to gym equipment, for example.
> The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon Marketplace)
> and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace). 
> 
> Control Center is brand new. again
> Jason Cipriani/CNET 
> When you swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to view
> Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel approach of iOS 10
> is gone.
> Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can hard
> press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove items from
> Control Center through the Settings app.
> 
> App Store has a fresh coat of paint
> Sarah Tew/CNET 
> A long overdue change to the App Store is coming. With a more visually
> appealing, interactive design, the App Store looks nothing like it used to.
> The new design will highlight new apps and developers and looks a lot like
> Apple Music. Only instead of songs and artists, it's games and apps.
> Speaking of which, Apple has finally separated the two categories into their
> own respective sections.
> 
> Screenshot tool is awesome
> Jason Cipriani/CNET 
> The process of taking a screenshot, editing and then sharing it is getting
> streamlined.
> With iOS 11 installed, when you take a screenshot a small preview thumbnail
> 

Re: Seeking tips on how to place the mac with a braille display.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Now i am not really with you.
Are they like small rubber feet you put under the keyboard?
/A

> 6 aug. 2017 kl. 04:40 skrev Michelle's Home Emails 
> :
> 
> Hi 
> 
> I use keyboard rests that sit under the keyboard and the braille display sits 
> just under the keyboard. 
> 
> I have just discovered commands you can use with the mac and braille display. 
>  That is commands used instead of the keyboard. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Michelle's  iPhone
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2017, at 11:48 pm, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Search for laptop stand on Amazon. There are multitudinous laptop stands 
>> like the one you were looking for. Some of them have cooling products in 
>> them, While others are just for saving space on your desk by raising your 
>> computer. Of course, the trick will be finding one that is the right size 
>> and height to do what you need.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On August 5, 2017 9:36:33 AM Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Thanks for that tip too.
>> One thing i wonder is if there’s any kind of stand for the mac so it will 
>> come up a bit higher.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 4 aug. 2017 kl. 15:59 skrev Erik Burggraaf :
>>> 
>>> Well, as donna mentioned, there is lap mode which is great because you 
>>> almost always have a lap and it's usually at just the right hight.  There 
>>> is always the method of repurposing the sliding keyboard tray from your 
>>> computer desk which also works pretty well.
>>> 
>>> My friend brian likes his placed off to the side of his keyboard on an 
>>> angle.  I nearly break my wrist using his computer, but he's really happy 
>>> with it.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On August 4, 2017 8:58:20 AM Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
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Re: Unlocking Users & Groups

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is an option in Tinkertool to allow the Finder to view hidden files. 
Generally not very useful for those that feel comfortable enough in the 
terminal. After all, it is just running an option command behind the scenes. 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Aug 4, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, you can look at the contents of this directory by using the Go To 
> item in the Finder.
> 
> • activate the Finder.
> • press cmd-shift-g, or up to the Go menu and choose Go To Folder.
> • put in /var/db in the field.
> 
> You'll be taken directly to this folder without being root.  Albeit, using 
> this method, you won't see the invisible files nor will you be able to delete 
> anything :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 4, 2017, at 09:30, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> So you need to be root I think to access this directory.  I’d probably issue 
> a sudo su - first but with al the warnings and caveats associated with root.
> 
> Be careful to put it mildly.
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The command is...
>> 
>> rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone
>> 
>> Most sites say that it must be done in Single User mode, but I simply use 
>> the Terminal from the Recovery partition, or start up from an external 
>> source and cd myself to the Macs internal drive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 09:08, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>>   This sounds like something I should file away. Do you have the Terminal 
>> command? Thanks much.
>> 
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> On 8/4/2017 7:44 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, it can normally just be done using Terminal from the Recovery 
>>> partition.  At least I've done it that way in the past.  The trick is to 
>>> remove a specific hidden file, thus telling your Mac that it is at the new 
>>> installation stage.  When in the new installation mode, the Setup Assistant 
>>> will appear whereby you set up a new Admin user and you're good to go from 
>>> there.  This normally works fine except in the cases where File Vault is 
>>> enabled.  In that case, you're hooped.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2017, at 15:48, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anders,
>>>  That would put the Mac into single user mode which is not accessible so I 
>>> just started over again.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> On 8/3/2017 2:43 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 There is but you have to use the terminal.
 I can’t for the life of me remember the command to do this.
 /A
 
> 3 aug. 2017 kl. 00:12 skrev Joseph Hudson  >:
> 
> Sounds like to me you might be in need for a reinstall. And I don't think 
> that there's a way out besides that.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
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>> 
>> High Sierra beta. Not sure what went wrong. I changed the name of the 
>> user folder. After restarting, I found my user account is no longer an 
>> administrative account. I cannot unlock Users & Groups so I cannot 
>> change my account status. I can change my login password and log in but 
>> cannot unlock. What do I need to do?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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Re: Why the iPhone 8 may play hard to get - CNET

[lenron brown]

Well maybe they couldn't get production started as soon as they would
have liked. I am willing to wait for the 8 though not settling for a
7s plus.

On 8/6/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> I find this interesting,
>
>  Samsung did this with the galaxy s8,
>
> Their standard s8 has the screan size of a 5.5 inch and the larger device is
> 6.x  all from the way the screen raps around the sides of the device.
>
>
> As for the OLED screens,
>
>  Surely they thought about this before they started getting them produced.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, 6 August 2017 4:36 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Why the iPhone 8 may play hard to get - CNET
>
> CNET News - Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 7:22 AM Why the iPhone 8 may play
> hard to get - CNET
>
> As of today, Apple's flagship phone comes in two sizes. (We're not counting
> the iPhone SE.) Apple For the past three years, each September has brought
> us two new iPhones: the "regular" 4.7-inch model, and the "extra large"
> 5.5-inch one, with a bigger screen and better camera.
> This year? A long-rumored, radically redesigned iPhone may finally be on
> deck. To picture it, imagine if the 5.5-inch screen of an iPhone Plus could
> fit in the body of a regular iPhone -- but in a sleek new design without big
> bezels to get in the way. Rumors suggest it could have an OLED display,
> amped-up augmented reality capabilities and wireless (inductive) charging,
> too.
> There are just two problems: It might start -- start! -- at over $1,000
> (roughly £760 or AU$1255).  And even at that price, Apple may not be able to
> make enough of them for you to buy one this fall.
> That's why all signs are pointing to three new iPhones for 2017. That
> fantasy iPhone 8 will likely be joined by the familiar S phones we see every
> odd-numbered year, while the iPhone 7S and 7S Plus would look nearly the
> same as their predecessors, while incorporating some under-the-hood upgrades
> to keep them interesting. That could throw a wrench into any Apple fan's
> usual upgrade plans -- especially since many have been waiting for the first
> significant redesign in years.
> Is this really going to happen? Apple didn't respond to our request for
> comment, and we have very little hard info here. But here's why we think we
> could get a trio of new iPhones this year.
> Who believes this crazy theory, anyway?
> Clever people, and more of them than you'd think.
> In March 2016 -- before even the iPhone 7 was unveiled -- KGI Securities
> analyst Ming Chi-Kuo (who has a solid track record for Apple rumors)
> reported that the company was considering a new iPhone design for 2017 with
> a 5.8-inch OLED screen, wireless charging and a glass back.
> But Kuo said one other thing too, something many reporters missed: if Apple
> couldn't get enough OLED screens for that flagship iPhone, it might launch a
> pair of standard 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch iPhones as well. Three iPhones in
> total.
>
> There may be three new iPhones in 2017.
> KGI Research
> In the months since, Kuo has continued to beat the drum for three new
> iPhones, but he hasn't been alone. The Nikkei Asian Review and Bloomberg's
> Mark Gurman each corroborated the idea. But it wasn't until this July, when
> a report in China's Economic Daily News warned of a delay for Apple's OLED
> phone, that Wall Street joined the bandwagon.
> At one point, we counted as many as a dozen financial analysts that agreed
> that Apple was having problems building its new phone to meet its normal
> September release schedule, and would either have to delay it or ship it in
> limited quantities to start. However, Apple has since forecast huge earnings
> for the September quarter, effectively confirming that some sort of new
> iPhones will be released by the end of September.
> But questions remain: Will all three presumed new models hit at once? And
> how much will the high-end model cost? Because many of those aforementioned
> analysts -- as well as respected Apple watchers John Gruber, Jason Snell and
> Rene Ritchie -- believe you'll have to pay more than ever before.
> Why can't Apple make enough of the iPhones we want?
> Four letters: OLED.
> It's no surprise Apple wants to add an OLED screen to the iPhone, to get the
> deep colors, inky blacks and battery efficiency that display technology can
> afford.
>
> With an OLED screen, each pixel generates its own light... so when they're
> black, they're off, and not wasting electricity.
> Andrew Hoyle/CNET
> But unlike most pieces that go into a phone, those OLED screens can only
> realistically come from a single source. The problem: Samsung controls at
> least 98 percent of the phone-sized OLED market, according to analyst firms
> IHS and UBI Research.
> Other companies like LG do produce OLED panels, and more are gearing up, but
> no other firm can produce as 

RE: Why the iPhone 8 may play hard to get - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

I find this interesting,

 Samsung did this with the galaxy s8,

Their standard s8 has the screan size of a 5.5 inch and the larger device is 
6.x  all from the way the screen raps around the sides of the device.


As for the OLED screens,

 Surely they thought about this before they started getting them produced.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 6 August 2017 4:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Why the iPhone 8 may play hard to get - CNET

CNET News - Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 7:22 AM Why the iPhone 8 may play hard 
to get - CNET
 
As of today, Apple's flagship phone comes in two sizes. (We're not counting the 
iPhone SE.) Apple For the past three years, each September has brought us two 
new iPhones: the "regular" 4.7-inch model, and the "extra large" 5.5-inch one, 
with a bigger screen and better camera.
This year? A long-rumored, radically redesigned iPhone may finally be on deck. 
To picture it, imagine if the 5.5-inch screen of an iPhone Plus could fit in 
the body of a regular iPhone -- but in a sleek new design without big bezels to 
get in the way. Rumors suggest it could have an OLED display, amped-up 
augmented reality capabilities and wireless (inductive) charging, too.
There are just two problems: It might start -- start! -- at over $1,000 
(roughly £760 or AU$1255).  And even at that price, Apple may not be able to 
make enough of them for you to buy one this fall. 
That's why all signs are pointing to three new iPhones for 2017. That fantasy 
iPhone 8 will likely be joined by the familiar S phones we see every 
odd-numbered year, while the iPhone 7S and 7S Plus would look nearly the same 
as their predecessors, while incorporating some under-the-hood upgrades to keep 
them interesting. That could throw a wrench into any Apple fan's usual upgrade 
plans -- especially since many have been waiting for the first significant 
redesign in years.
Is this really going to happen? Apple didn't respond to our request for 
comment, and we have very little hard info here. But here's why we think we 
could get a trio of new iPhones this year.
Who believes this crazy theory, anyway?
Clever people, and more of them than you'd think. 
In March 2016 -- before even the iPhone 7 was unveiled -- KGI Securities 
analyst Ming Chi-Kuo (who has a solid track record for Apple rumors) reported 
that the company was considering a new iPhone design for 2017 with a 5.8-inch 
OLED screen, wireless charging and a glass back.
But Kuo said one other thing too, something many reporters missed: if Apple 
couldn't get enough OLED screens for that flagship iPhone, it might launch a 
pair of standard 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch iPhones as well. Three iPhones in total.
 
There may be three new iPhones in 2017.
KGI Research
In the months since, Kuo has continued to beat the drum for three new iPhones, 
but he hasn't been alone. The Nikkei Asian Review and Bloomberg's Mark Gurman 
each corroborated the idea. But it wasn't until this July, when a report in 
China's Economic Daily News warned of a delay for Apple's OLED phone, that Wall 
Street joined the bandwagon.
At one point, we counted as many as a dozen financial analysts that agreed that 
Apple was having problems building its new phone to meet its normal September 
release schedule, and would either have to delay it or ship it in limited 
quantities to start. However, Apple has since forecast huge earnings for the 
September quarter, effectively confirming that some sort of new iPhones will be 
released by the end of September.
But questions remain: Will all three presumed new models hit at once? And how 
much will the high-end model cost? Because many of those aforementioned 
analysts -- as well as respected Apple watchers John Gruber, Jason Snell and 
Rene Ritchie -- believe you'll have to pay more than ever before.
Why can't Apple make enough of the iPhones we want?
Four letters: OLED. 
It's no surprise Apple wants to add an OLED screen to the iPhone, to get the 
deep colors, inky blacks and battery efficiency that display technology can 
afford.
 
With an OLED screen, each pixel generates its own light... so when they're 
black, they're off, and not wasting electricity.
Andrew Hoyle/CNET
But unlike most pieces that go into a phone, those OLED screens can only 
realistically come from a single source. The problem: Samsung controls at least 
98 percent of the phone-sized OLED market, according to analyst firms IHS and 
UBI Research. 
Other companies like LG do produce OLED panels, and more are gearing up, but no 
other firm can produce as many as Apple would need for a phone. Samsung has a 
virtual monopoly on these screens, and there's no backup if anything goes wrong.
Apple is so big that it needs suppliers who can provide hundreds of millions of 
each iPhone part each year -- anything below those thresholds, and it can't 
afford to use those parts 

RE: Unlocking Users & Groups

[Simon Fogarty]

I think your talking about doing this from single user mode,
 I've done this in a mac el capitan training course  and yes it is a case of 
deleting and or renaming a system file and it starting the setup again.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2017 2:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unlocking Users & Groups

Hi,

Actually, it can normally just be done using Terminal from the Recovery 
partition.  At least I've done it that way in the past.  The trick is to remove 
a specific hidden file, thus telling your Mac that it is at the new 
installation stage.  When in the new installation mode, the Setup Assistant 
will appear whereby you set up a new Admin user and you're good to go from 
there.  This normally works fine except in the cases where File Vault is 
enabled.  In that case, you're hooped.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 3, 2017, at 15:48, E.T.  wrote:

Anders,
  That would put the Mac into single user mode which is not accessible so I 
just started over again.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, all the 
challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  and say God did 
it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/3/2017 2:43 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> There is but you have to use the terminal.
> I can’t for the life of me remember the command to do this.
> /A
> 
>> 3 aug. 2017 kl. 00:12 skrev Joseph Hudson :
>> 
>> Sounds like to me you might be in need for a reinstall. And I don't think 
>> that there's a way out besides that.
>>  Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> High Sierra beta. Not sure what went wrong. I changed the name of the user 
>>> folder. After restarting, I found my user account is no longer an 
>>> administrative account. I cannot unlock Users & Groups so I cannot change 
>>> my account status. I can change my login password and log in but cannot 
>>> unlock. What do I need to do?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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