Re: more on Just PRess Record

[Bradford Snyder]

Not on a Mac mini,unless you have an external microphone connected.

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On May 26, 2024, at 16:47, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  Have you gone to System Settings, Sound? There are options available for 
microphone.

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On 5/26/2024 2:27 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> I guess I don’t since it’s a Mac Mini. if I plugged one in, would it use that 
> one? I thought. it worked internally but I don’t have an internal mic. either.
>> On May 25, 2024, at 10:11 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> This issue has nothing to do with the Just Press Record software.
>> Sounds to me like you do not have an active microphone.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On May 25, 2024, at 21:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I did find some settings. it says there’s no microphone available. would 
>> that mean it doesn’t work on a Mac mini? even if I had an external mic 
>> hooked up to it would that work in this program?
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Re: more on Just PRess Record

[Bradford Snyder]

There are lot of options for a microphones that will work with your Mac mini.
One option is the Apple EarPods I recommended.  Many people still have a pair 
from an old iPhone.
There are other options to consider.
One option I would recommend, is the Logitech H390 USB Headset.  Another option 
is the Logitech H800 Wireless Bluetooth Headset, that works by either Bluetooth 
or with the included USB dongle.
I have both, and would recommend either as a great option to use with your Mac 
mini.

HTH.Z 

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On May 26, 2024, at 16:27, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I guess I don’t since it’s a Mac Mini. if I plugged one in, would it use that 
one? I thought. it worked internally but I don’t have an internal mic. either.

> On May 25, 2024, at 10:11 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> This issue has nothing to do with the Just Press Record software.
> Sounds to me like you do not have an active microphone.
> 
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> 
> On May 25, 2024, at 21:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I did find some settings. it says there’s no microphone available. would 
> that mean it doesn’t work on a Mac mini? even if I had an external mic hooked 
> up to it would that work in this program?
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Re: microphones

[Bradford Snyder]

Like I suggested, try using the 3.5mm EarPods that came with older iPhones.
If you don’t still have a pair of these, Apple still sells them for $19.

There are other options to consider, but many people still have these EarPods 
around.

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On May 23, 2024, at 23:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

ok but then I wouldn’t be able to hear anything unless I got a different kind 
of splitter that would support both. are such things available?

> On May 23, 2024, at 10:54 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
> 
> It would be my guess that the splitter only supports output (headphones., and 
> you would have to unplug the splitter, and plug the EarPods directly into the 
> internal jack.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On May 23, 2024, at 14:31, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> right now I have a Y plugged into that 3.5 mm jack that has my computer 
> speakers and my headphones plugged into it. if I were to remove the speakers, 
> which I might have to do anyway to avoid feedback, and plug in a mic is there 
> anything I’d have to change in the sound settings? when I first got 
> thiscomputer I had to fool around with those settings to get my speakers to 
> sound right but I don’t remember what I did.
> 
>> On May 23, 2024, at 12:06 AM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, the 3.5mm jack on the back of your Mac mini is both a headphone 
>> jack, and a microphone input.
>> It is designed to work with wired EarPods that used to come with iPhones.
>> If you still have some of those 3.5mm EarPods, they work very well with your 
>> Mac mini or a MacBook Air or Pro.
>> If you don’t have any of those around, Apple still sells them for $19.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2024, at 23:26, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Lorie,
>> 
>> For the Mac, you’ll need to purchase a USB sound card that hhas one or more 
>> microphone jacks.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> As I have a Mac mini, it doesn’t have a microphone. my old one had a round 
>> input for a mic right next to the speaker jack but this new one doesn’t. I 
>> have several microphones but they all have what we used to call mini plugs. 
>> I think that might be 3.5 mm. what do I need to do if I want to plug one of 
>> these into my Mac? I would probably have to get a dongle or some kind of 
>> adapter.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: microphones

[Bradford Snyder]

It would be my guess that the splitter only supports output (headphones., and 
you would have to unplug the splitter, and plug the EarPods directly into the 
internal jack.

- Brad -



On May 23, 2024, at 14:31, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

right now I have a Y plugged into that 3.5 mm jack that has my computer 
speakers and my headphones plugged into it. if I were to remove the speakers, 
which I might have to do anyway to avoid feedback, and plug in a mic is there 
anything I’d have to change in the sound settings? when I first got 
thiscomputer I had to fool around with those settings to get my speakers to 
sound right but I don’t remember what I did.

> On May 23, 2024, at 12:06 AM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Actually, the 3.5mm jack on the back of your Mac mini is both a headphone 
> jack, and a microphone input.
> It is designed to work with wired EarPods that used to come with iPhones.
> If you still have some of those 3.5mm EarPods, they work very well with your 
> Mac mini or a MacBook Air or Pro.
> If you don’t have any of those around, Apple still sells them for $19.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2024, at 23:26, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Lorie,
> 
> For the Mac, you’ll need to purchase a USB sound card that hhas one or more 
> microphone jacks.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> As I have a Mac mini, it doesn’t have a microphone. my old one had a round 
> input for a mic right next to the speaker jack but this new one doesn’t. I 
> have several microphones but they all have what we used to call mini plugs. I 
> think that might be 3.5 mm. what do I need to do if I want to plug one of 
> these into my Mac? I would probably have to get a dongle or some kind of 
> adapter.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: microphones

[Bradford Snyder]

Actually, the 3.5mm jack on the back of your Mac mini is both a headphone jack, 
and a microphone input.
It is designed to work with wired EarPods that used to come with iPhones.
If you still have some of those 3.5mm EarPods, they work very well with your 
Mac mini or a MacBook Air or Pro.
If you don’t have any of those around, Apple still sells them for $19.

- Brad -



On May 22, 2024, at 23:26, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Lorie,

For the Mac, you’ll need to purchase a USB sound card that hhas one or more 
microphone jacks.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com




On May 22, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

As I have a Mac mini, it doesn’t have a microphone. my old one had a round 
input for a mic right next to the speaker jack but this new one doesn’t. I have 
several microphones but they all have what we used to call mini plugs. I think 
that might be 3.5 mm. what do I need to do if I want to plug one of these into 
my Mac? I would probably have to get a dongle or some kind of adapter.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Firefox on my Mac

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Sounds like the item on your Desktop was the volume icon.
I suspect that you did not hear VoiceOver say Volume, because you have not gone 
into your Finder preferences > Advanced, and enabled the toggle to show file 
extensions.

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On Feb 20, 2023, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

vo didn’t say volume but I pressed command e anyway and it went away.

> On Feb 20, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Bradford Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
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> Hi Lori
> 
> The Firefox installer you downloaded is a DMG.  When you open a DMG, you end 
> up with a volume icon on your Desktop.
> When you place focus on the item on your Desktop, if you hear VoiceOver say 
> “Firefox Volume”, you can remove it by pressing CMD + E.
> If you do not hear VoiceOver say “Firefox Volume”, please let me know, and I 
> can advise further.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 13:43, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. can 
> I delete it or is it supposed to be there. if I can delete it, how?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Firefox on my Mac

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Hi Lori

The Firefox installer you downloaded is a DMG.  When you open a DMG, you end up 
with a volume icon on your Desktop.
When you place focus on the item on your Desktop, if you hear VoiceOver say 
“Firefox Volume”, you can remove it by pressing CMD + E.
If you do not hear VoiceOver say “Firefox Volume”, please let me know, and I 
can advise further.

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On Feb 20, 2023, at 13:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

Firefox is on my desktop along with my drives ever since I installed it. can I 
delete it or is it supposed to be there. if I can delete it, how?

thanks.
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Re: Mac os

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I believe Lori has a 2014 Mac mini.  I do not believe the RAM or storage can be 
upgraded on that model.
Getting a new M2 Mac mini would be her best option, and a big leap forward in 
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On Feb 18, 2023, at 22:51, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Where it can get tricky is that not all Apple Stores are able to handle Macs. 
The new machine would definitely be your best bet. If you do end up upgrading 
your machine, you will probably have to buy the Ram from Crucial and then 
someone can install it for you. Bestbuy is also an option.

> On Feb 18, 2023, at 22:32, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> If you call my-apple, part of what they can do is set up a genus session with 
>  your local apple store.  Of course you can talk to them apple has a major  
> customer service hub in Austin Texas.
> Still, if you anticipate a new machine soon, perhaps waiting makes more sense 
> in general.  Unless the memory factors are so frustrating they impact  
> getting things done.
> In that case improving the value of your current machine for sale or whatever 
> would make the memory factor worth considering.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> 
>> we have an actual Apple store here in Fort Worth, Tx. I don’t think you can 
>> just call and talk to somebody though. within the next few months it appears 
>> I might have the opportunity to get a new Mac mini. if that chance comes up 
>> I’m not going to waste it that’s for sure.
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 8:02 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Speaking personally?
>>> It depends on where you are in the world, but I would first call 1-800-my 
>>> apple.
>>> I would speak to support, share our apple id so they can know more details 
>>> and ask for my options.
>>> Then perhaps report that here.
>>> There are often loads of ways to upgrade a mac, or that used to be the 
>>> case,  older machines can sometimes have an advantage.
>>> cost may depend on things like warranty, but as an example in Toronto we 
>>> have a store called simply mac that specializes on apple computers, have 
>>> been here since the 1990's.
>>> sometimes they do the upgrades for the experience, or connect you with free 
>>> geeks who do it as well.
>>> Still, speaking personally, I would start with getting answers from apple 
>>> directly, just my thoughts of course.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>> 
 no. I just didn’t think of it. how do I do that?
 
> On Feb 18, 2023, at 6:00 PM, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
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> Are you in a position to increase the memory?  may even help with 
> Catalina.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> 
>> thanks. I appreciate that very much.
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Herbie Allen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, my opinion is not to try Big Sur given the 8 GB of Ram.
>>> 
 On Feb 18, 2023, at 13:36, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 ok. tell me if I have the right info.
 Processor 2.6 ghz dual-core Intel I5
 memory: 8 gb 1600 mhz ddr3
 
> On Feb 17, 2023, at 8:15 PM, Herbie Allen  
> wrote:
> 
> How much Ram and Hard Drive Space. Yes, that is in the About my Mac.
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 18:32, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> tell me exactly what you’re looking for and where to find it. I 
>> assume it might be in “about this Mac” but I don’t know which items 
>> constitute the specs.
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Herbie Allen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are the specs for that Mac?
>>> 
 On Feb 17, 2023, at 17:00, Lorie McCloud  
 wrote:
 
 I’m running Catalina on my old Mac Mini. I had to roll back to it. 
 lately I’ve been considering going up to Big Sur. I never ran that 
 one so I have no idea how my Mac would handle it. Monterey was too 
 much for it. does anybody have experience with Big Sur on their 
 old Mac? do you have any suggestions or advice for me. maybe I 
 should leave well enough alone. suggestions and advice welcome.
 
 thanks.
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Re: Strange Mac Clean-up question, moving documents folder from iCloud to my Mac

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Try going into your iCloud settings, and unchecking the box for Desktop and 
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I believe it is near the top of the list. 

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I’ve been trying to do that, but haven’t had any success. How does one go about 
that?
Thanks,
Donna

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> Hi,
> Why not just not include Documents and desktop on that Mac for iCloud?
> That way shift command O will open Documents in your home folder.
> 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> When I got my current Mac back in 2020, as some of you may recall, I had 
>> problems migrating files from my old Mac.  So I decided to transfer my 
>> documents by copying the folder to iCloud, and hoped that I could then 
>> download it onto the new Mac.  The download never happened.  I’m trying to 
>> do some cleanup, and one thing I would like to do is to get that folder out 
>> of iCloud and have it live locally on my Mac.  I have a bunch of old stuff 
>> in there that I want to keep, but that I don’t want to use up iCloud storage 
>> to store.  Just to be clear, I have a documents folder in iCloud, but I do 
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Re: Charging Apple Watch SE 2?

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Yes, that should work just fine.

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On Feb 13, 2023, at 15:36, Fazil M.  wrote:

Thanks much, Brad.
Can I use my iPhone12 charger instead?
Thanks!
 
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I would advise not using a Mac charger because wattage output is much higher 
than required by the watch.
I suggest you purchase a 20W USB-C charger from Apple, or a MFI 20W charger 
from Amazon.

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On Feb 13, 2023, at 15:15, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group.
Yesterday I got Apple Watch SE2 that came with USB-C Magnetic Charging Cable;
Can I use my Mac Charger for charging this watch?
Thanks!
 
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Re: Charging Apple Watch SE 2?

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I would advise not using a Mac charger because wattage output is much higher 
than required by the watch.
I suggest you purchase a 20W USB-C charger from Apple, or a MFI 20W charger 
from Amazon.

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Hi, Group.
Yesterday I got Apple Watch SE2 that came with USB-C Magnetic Charging Cable;
Can I use my Mac Charger for charging this watch?
Thanks!

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Re: How much ram and storage should i get?

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If it were me, I’d get a minimum of 16 GB RAM, and at least a 1 TB SSD.


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On Feb 6, 2023, at 21:20, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all, 

It's been a long time since I posted here. I'm in the process of purchasing a 
new Mac and was wondering how much ram and storage people are going with these 
days? I mainly want a machine for web and app testing, some word processing / 
text editing, and some single track audio recording. 

Best, 

Doug 

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Re: Activating Launch pad?

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As a VoiceOver user, I find the best way to use Launchpad, is as follows:

1.  Make sure Launchpad is on your Dock.  If Launchpad is not already on your 
Mac’s Dock, you can put it there by opening the Applications folder, navigating 
to the Launchpad app, and then pressing CTRL + CMD + Shift + T, to place 
Launchpad on the Dock.
2.  Once you have Launchpad on your Dock, press VO + D, to place VoiceOver 
focus on the Dock.
3.  Navigate to the Launchpad item on the Dock.  I do this by pressing the 
letter L, quickly followed by the letter A.
4.  Now, open the Shortcut menu, by pressing VO + Shift + M, which will show a 
list of applications installed on your Mac.
5.  Navigate to the desired application, and press either VO + Spacebar, or the 
Enter key to open the application.
Note:  Any application that you have placed on your Mac’s Dock, will not be 
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How can I activate Launch Pad, please?
Thanks!

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Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue

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Make sure it is a “powered” hub.
Most external drives require more power than can be provided by a passive, 
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On Feb 1, 2023, at 18:54, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I am a little afraid it’s the hub I am using. When it happens, I can’t force 
quit. I can’t get to the menu bar either. It really stops almost everything 
except for apps like Mail and Safari. I have to open a Mail or Safari to get to 
the Apple menu.

Mary Ward

On Feb 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Thanks for that command Brad.
I haven’t noticed that before.
Bless!
/A

> 1 feb. 2023 kl. 23:01 skrev Bradford Snyder :
> 
> The keyboard command CMD + OPT + Escape, will open the Force Quit dialog.
> Using CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current app, or restart 
> Finder without opening the Force Quit dialog.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:33, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
> 
> There is an issue with finder on and off in Ventura. If it gives the no 
> window message cmd-option-escape will allow you to re-launch the finder and 
> may solve the concern.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:31 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  This is not an older Mac, it’s a 2020 M1.  SO I guess I will 
>> disconnect all the external drives, all three of them, and restart.  I 
>> neglected to say that when the Finder stops working, I have to open a 
>> program like Mail to shut down the computer at all, and it might take it 
>> several minutes to do it.  
>> 
>> I just disconnected all the external drives, I have three, and I hope I 
>> don’t lose them all as one of them is my Time Machine backup.  The Mac 
>> turned on very quickly.  SO Now I guess I will start trying to reconnect 
>> these things.  What fun.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There could be a number of things. The age of your Mac, the cord, or the 
>>> drive itself. If yours is an older Mac though, that is most likely the 
>>> issue. Restart your mac and then plug in the drive. When you open it, give 
>>> the drive a couple minutes to load. There could also be a formatting issue.
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:13, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello.  I bought a nice big hard disc to store books, movies, and music 
>>>> on.  It is connected to my Mac mini via a cable.  I got messages saying 
>>>> that it had not been ejected properly, though, of course, it had not been 
>>>> ejected at all.  If I try to go to my external drives, the finder just 
>>>> stops working altogether.  SO right now, I am running first aid on the one 
>>>> of them that I can see.  But is there anything else I can do besides 
>>>> either give up or call AppleCare?  By the way, when the Finder stops 
>>>> working, I can’t open files from anywhere and apps like TextEdit won’t 
>>>> launch either, though Mail and Safari still work.  Does this necessarily 
>>>> mean that the external disc is corrupted?  Do I need to go further than 
>>>> just the Disc Utility?  Thanks for any guidance.
>>>> 
>>>> My poor, ailing Mac!
>>>> 
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Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue

[Bradford Snyder]

The keyboard command CMD + OPT + Escape, will open the Force Quit dialog.
Using CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current app, or restart 
Finder without opening the Force Quit dialog.

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On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:33, Kaare Dehard  wrote:

There is an issue with finder on and off in Ventura. If it gives the no window 
message cmd-option-escape will allow you to re-launch the finder and may solve 
the concern.


> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:31 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  This is not an older Mac, it’s a 2020 M1.  SO I guess I will 
> disconnect all the external drives, all three of them, and restart.  I 
> neglected to say that when the Finder stops working, I have to open a program 
> like Mail to shut down the computer at all, and it might take it several 
> minutes to do it.  
> 
> I just disconnected all the external drives, I have three, and I hope I don’t 
> lose them all as one of them is my Time Machine backup.  The Mac turned on 
> very quickly.  SO Now I guess I will start trying to reconnect these things.  
> What fun.  
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> There could be a number of things. The age of your Mac, the cord, or the 
>> drive itself. If yours is an older Mac though, that is most likely the 
>> issue. Restart your mac and then plug in the drive. When you open it, give 
>> the drive a couple minutes to load. There could also be a formatting issue.
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:13, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.  I bought a nice big hard disc to store books, movies, and music on. 
>>>  It is connected to my Mac mini via a cable.  I got messages saying that it 
>>> had not been ejected properly, though, of course, it had not been ejected 
>>> at all.  If I try to go to my external drives, the finder just stops 
>>> working altogether.  SO right now, I am running first aid on the one of 
>>> them that I can see.  But is there anything else I can do besides either 
>>> give up or call AppleCare?  By the way, when the Finder stops working, I 
>>> can’t open files from anywhere and apps like TextEdit won’t launch either, 
>>> though Mail and Safari still work.  Does this necessarily mean that the 
>>> external disc is corrupted?  Do I need to go further than just the Disc 
>>> Utility?  Thanks for any guidance.
>>> 
>>> My poor, ailing Mac!
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Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue

[Bradford Snyder]

If the drive is formatted NTFS, I recommend reformatting the drive to XFAT.
There are other options, but I like XFAT because it can be read by Windows as 
well as Mac. 

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On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:19, Herbie Allen  wrote:

There could be a number of things. The age of your Mac, the cord, or the drive 
itself. If yours is an older Mac though, that is most likely the issue. Restart 
your mac and then plug in the drive. When you open it, give the drive a couple 
minutes to load. There could also be a formatting issue.

> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:13, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello.  I bought a nice big hard disc to store books, movies, and music on.  
> It is connected to my Mac mini via a cable.  I got messages saying that it 
> had not been ejected properly, though, of course, it had not been ejected at 
> all.  If I try to go to my external drives, the finder just stops working 
> altogether.  SO right now, I am running first aid on the one of them that I 
> can see.  But is there anything else I can do besides either give up or call 
> AppleCare?  By the way, when the Finder stops working, I can’t open files 
> from anywhere and apps like TextEdit won’t launch either, though Mail and 
> Safari still work.  Does this necessarily mean that the external disc is 
> corrupted?  Do I need to go further than just the Disc Utility?  Thanks for 
> any guidance.
> 
> My poor, ailing Mac!
> 
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Re: AppStore Updates?

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Not necessarily.  Apps will only update automatically if you have enabled this 
feature in your Mac’s AppStore settings.
If this is not the case, you should go to the Apple menu in the Menu Bar, and 
arrow down to AppStore, and press enter.
If you have updates pending, this should take you to the Update section of the 
AppStore application, where you should find a listing of pending updates.

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On Jan 21, 2023, at 19:02, Herbie Allen  wrote:

They should update automatically.

> On Jan 21, 2023, at 18:15, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> How can I update when I receive update notification from the AppStore?
> Thanks!
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Re: Changing .pls file to open in vlc

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Open a Finder window to the folder that contains the file.
With focus on the file, press CMD + I, to open the More Info window.
Navigate to "Open With”, and select your desired application from the pop-up 
list.
Next, navigate to "Use this application to open all documents like this one.”, 
and select the Change All button.

HTH.

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On Jan 16, 2023, at 09:26, Michael Babcock  wrote:

Hi all!

I’m sure it’s a little thing, but could someone please help!

.pls files open in music on my Mac, and I want them to open in VLC, can someone 
help me from having to press vo+shift+M, then selecting Open with, then vlc.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Installer in Progress

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Same here.  Let’s hope Apple addresses these VoiceOver issues in the next 
Ventura update, though I am not optimistic.

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On Jan 16, 2023, at 09:21, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Same problem here. I just wasn’t brave enough to post the question. It’s 
irritating.

Dave Carlson
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  This happened in Monterey and started doing it in Ventura.

  When I first boot up, Voiceover announces "installer in progress" then 
"authentication". I have to double click the mouse to get focus on the 
password. Is there a fix for this? Thanks.

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Re: Installer in Progress

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I experience lots of VoiceOver issues with Ventura, and Monterey before that.  
Though I have never got the "Installation in progress” message, I experience 
other issues on the login screen.
Sometimes I have resolved these issues by interacting, other times I find I 
need to toggle VoiceOver off/on.
Wish there was a definitive answer for these quandaries.

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  This happened in Monterey and started doing it in Ventura.

  When I first boot up, Voiceover announces "installer in progress" then 
"authentication". I have to double click the mouse to get focus on the 
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Re: How does one compensate for PageUp and PageDown keys or Home and End keys on a MacBook Pro without an external full keyboard?

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;> 
>>> 1. Press VO+K to enter keyboard help mode
>>> 2. Press and hold the FN key, bottom left key
>>> 3. While still pressing FN, press left or right and I hear Home or End 
>>> respectively.
>>> 
>>> Have a beautiful day.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>>> Brad,. I am really tired of the obnoxious behavior you display on this 
>>>> list.  Either learn to be civil, or get off the list.
>>>> 
>>>> I can reproduce this behavior flawlessly, and without exception.  Just 
>>>> pressing the FN key does NOTHING! So, you can be rude all you want, but 
>>>> I’m going to post my experience as there is probably someone else out 
>>>> there who experiences the same thing, as I don’t that my Mac is an 
>>>> anomaly.  I don’t doubt that your Mac behaves as you describe, but mine, 
>>>> and undoubtedly others, do not.  So please don’t dismiss what I write out 
>>>> of hand.
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Brad Snyder >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>> You can disagree all you want, but the VO key is not necessary to change 
>>>>> the behavior of the arrow keys when using the Fn key.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, Brad, but I have to disagree.  When I just press the FN key 
>>>>> nothing happens.  When I press the VO modifier, the keys behave as you 
>>>>> describe.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:27 AM, Bradford Snyder >>>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Changing the behavior of the arrow keys is not a function of VoiceOver, 
>>>>>> therefore it is not necessary to use the VO modifier in order to use the 
>>>>>> alternate actions of the arrow keys as described in my original response.
>>>>>> You can test this by turning on Keyboard Help, then press the different 
>>>>>> arrow keys while holding down only the Fn key.
>>>>>> Whether or not the VO modifier is used along with the Fn key makes no 
>>>>>> matter.  The actions of the arrow keys will be the same.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just one addition to this, for me to use these commands, I also have to 
>>>>>> hold down the VO keys.  So, VO-FN-right arrow for home, etc.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Bradford Snyder >>>>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following:
>>>>>>> Left Arrow becomes the Home key.
>>>>>>> Right Arrow becomes the End key.
>>>>>>> Up Arrow becomes the Page Up key.
>>>>>>> Down Arrow becomes the Page Down key.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HTH.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 16:41, Kevin Gibbs >>>>>> <mailto:kevj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sometimes, I don’t have my full extended keyboard and have to type on 
>>>>>>> just my MacBook Pro keyboard.  But I don’t have Page Up/Down or Home 
>>>>>>> and End keys.  How does one compensate for this?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>> 
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Re: How does one compensate for PageUp and PageDown keys or Home and End keys on a MacBook Pro without an external full keyboard?

[Bradford Snyder]

Changing the behavior of the arrow keys is not a function of VoiceOver, 
therefore it is not necessary to use the VO modifier in order to use the 
alternate actions of the arrow keys as described in my original response.
You can test this by turning on Keyboard Help, then press the different arrow 
keys while holding down only the Fn key.
Whether or not the VO modifier is used along with the Fn key makes no matter.  
The actions of the arrow keys will be the same.

- Brad -



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Just one addition to this, for me to use these commands, I also have to hold 
down the VO keys.  So, VO-FN-right arrow for home, etc.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 7, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Bradford Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following:
> Left Arrow becomes the Home key.
> Right Arrow becomes the End key.
> Up Arrow becomes the Page Up key.
> Down Arrow becomes the Page Down key.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2023, at 16:41, Kevin Gibbs  <mailto:kevj...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Sometimes, I don’t have my full extended keyboard and have to type on just my 
> MacBook Pro keyboard.  But I don’t have Page Up/Down or Home and End keys.  
> How does one compensate for this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: How does one compensate for PageUp and PageDown keys or Home and End keys on a MacBook Pro without an external full keyboard?

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If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following:
Left Arrow becomes the Home key.
Right Arrow becomes the End key.
Up Arrow becomes the Page Up key.
Down Arrow becomes the Page Down key.

HTH.

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Sometimes, I don’t have my full extended keyboard and have to type on just my 
MacBook Pro keyboard.  But I don’t have Page Up/Down or Home and End keys.  How 
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Re: Adding to the roater

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Go to VoiceOver Utility > Web Category, then select the Web Rotor tab.

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On Dec 30, 2022, at 16:37, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi all,
how do you ad items to the Roater in Ventura?
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Why This Dialog?

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Maybe it is the cat.  LOL!

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On Dec 30, 2022, at 11:40, Fazil M.  wrote:

Actually, I am no way near the computer when I hear voiceover say this.
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
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I think you are doing a lock screen command which is logging you out of 
everything. I think that is a Command Shift Q.


> On Dec 30, 2022, at 11:03, Fazil M.  > wrote:
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> Hi, group.
> I use most updated Ventura with MacbookPro2017.
> Periodically, I get a dialog box that says something like the following:
> “are you sure that you want to quit all application and log out?”
> I try to find a ‘Yes/no’ button somewhere but can not find it and
> The system logs me out in few moments and I have to log on back.
> How can I fix this unwanted logout, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Why This Dialog?

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Yes, CMD + Shift + Q, is the command for Logout.
My guess is that you are intending to do CMD + Q, and are unintentionally 
including the Shift key when doing this command.

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On Dec 30, 2022, at 11:38, Herbie Allen  wrote:

I think you are doing a lock screen command which is logging you out of 
everything. I think that is a Command Shift Q.

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 11:03, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, group.
> I use most updated Ventura with MacbookPro2017.
> Periodically, I get a dialog box that says something like the following:
> “are you sure that you want to quit all application and log out?”
> I try to find a ‘Yes/no’ button somewhere but can not find it and
> The system logs me out in few moments and I have to log on back.
> How can I fix this unwanted logout, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Returning to Home-page from an Open Tab in Safari?

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Forgive me.  I wrote my earlier reply in a hurry.
The correct command to move between open Safari tabs is CTRL + Tab, not CMD + 
Tab.

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On Dec 27, 2022, at 12:46, Fazil M.  wrote:

Thanks much, Brad.
I think I am not doing something right.
Command-Tab is cycling me through the open Apps like Finder, Mail Safari etc 
but it is not moving me within Safari from Tab-to-Tab, am I doing something 
wrong?
Thanks!
 
 
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CMD + W, will close any open tab in Safari.
CMD + Tab, will move between open tabs in Safari.

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Safari is my default browser and YouTube is my home-page.
Sometimes I hit command-t to open a new tab if I need to search internet for 
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CMD + W, will close any open tab in Safari.
CMD + Tab, will move between open tabs in Safari.

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Hi, Group.
Safari is my default browser and YouTube is my home-page.
Sometimes I hit command-t to open a new tab if I need to search internet for 
something.
How should I come back to my home-page from an open tab or vice versa?
How can I move back and forth among three or more open tabs, please?
Thanks!
 
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CMD + W, will close any open tab in Safari.
CMD + Tab, will move between open tabs in Safari.

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Hi, Group.
Safari is my default browser and YouTube is my home-page.
Sometimes I hit command-t to open a new tab if I need to search internet for 
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How should I come back to my home-page from an open tab or vice versa?
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Re: Returning to Home-page from an Open Tab in Safari?

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CMD + W, will close any open tab in Safari. 

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On Dec 27, 2022, at 09:24, Fazil M.  wrote:

Hi, Group.
Safari is my default browser and YouTube is my home-page.
Sometimes I hit command-t to open a new tab if I need to search internet for 
something.
How should I come back to my home-page from an open tab or vice versa?
How can I move back and forth among three or more open tabs, please?
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Re: Erasing drive formatted for Windows

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If this is an external disk, I recommend using XFAT.  This format will allow 
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Hi again.  What format do I need for erasing a hard disc to use on the Mac?  It 
is currently formatted for Windows, which means I can’t write to it.  I plan to 
use it to store things like books, movies, music and the like.  APFS case 
sensitive, encrypted, etc?  I was about to erase it when I realized I was not 
quite sure what format to choose.  I do not need to keep the two or three PDF 
files that came with it, and that is all that is on the disc.

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Re: An Option About Saving Changes That I Heard About?

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Thanks John.  This is good to know.
I see that this setting is off by default in Ventura.
This is different than what I have experienced in earlier versions of the macOS.

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On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:40, John Panarese  wrote:

  It’s now in Desktop and Dock settings for some reason in Ventura. It’s under 
the Windows and Apps heading.


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> Not sure where this setting is found in macOS Ventura.
> In Monterey, and earlier versions of the OS, it can be found in System 
> Preferences > General.
> This setting is on by default, so you really shouldn’t need to change it.
> 
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> Hi, Group.
> I heard that there is a check box somewhere in System Setting. When this box 
> is checked, the user is prompted whether they want to save changes when they 
> close a file window, just like MSWindows. They have the option either to save 
> changes or do not save.
> Could someone tell me where this check-box is, if there is any?
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Re: An Option About Saving Changes That I Heard About?

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Not sure where this setting is found in macOS Ventura.
In Monterey, and earlier versions of the OS, it can be found in System 
Preferences > General.
This setting is on by default, so you really shouldn’t need to change it.

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Hi, Group.
I heard that there is a check box somewhere in System Setting. When this box is 
checked, the user is prompted whether they want to save changes when they close 
a file window, just like MSWindows. They have the option either to save changes 
or do not save.
Could someone tell me where this check-box is, if there is any?
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Re: Looking for a File that I am editing?

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I have been using Text Edit for years, and am not aware of any “auto-save” 
feature in this application.
Perhaps you are confusing Text Edit with some other application.  Perhaps 
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On Dec 16, 2022, at 06:13, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,
You should never depend on the auto save feature.
Always save the document yourself, giving it a name .
Now, if Text Edit is still open,
You can press command plus grov, it is the key under the escape key.
It may be announced as acsent.
This will move between open documents.
Another way to find the lost document is to look in your Documents folder for a 
file called Untitled.
Also on the Text Edit file menu, is a open recent  submenu.
Good luck!

Rob

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> Hi, Group.
> I heard that Mac saves files automatically.
> Well I am editing a  file in Text Edit.
> I switched to mail, got an attachment and saved it.
> It was a text file and I wanted to copy some text from this attachment in 
> order to paste it in the file I am editing/typing. I did not save the file I 
> am editing but I am not finding it. Can I find it in any way?
> Your help is much appreciated.
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Re: copy and paste

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Check and see if the “Write Protect” switch on the SD card is enabled.

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On Dec 12, 2022, at 15:41, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I’ve got an sd card in my Mac and I’m trying to paste some files to it. I press 
command-C to copy and then when I pop over into the correct window I press 
command-V to paste. I get a “ding” instead of the usual notice from vo that the 
file has been pasted. what could cause this?

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Re: copy and paste

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CMD + V is the Copy command.


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On 13/12/22 08:41, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> I’ve got an sd card in my Mac and I’m trying to paste some files to it. I 
> press command-C to copy and then when I pop over into the correct window I 
> press command-V to paste. I get a “ding” instead of the usual notice from vo 
> that the file has been pasted. what could cause this?

Have you tried using the cp command instead?


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Re: Apple Mail inCatalina

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While composing or replying to a message, go to the Edit menu, in the Menubar, 
and look for Spelling and Grammar submenu.
You will find an item to disable automatic spell checker.

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On Dec 7, 2022, at 17:09, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

In preferences I set mail to never check my spelling. it’s still giving me 
suggested corrections though and I can’t find where to disable that. 
suggestions please.

thanks.
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Re: My Homepage in Safari, Youtube

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The term “layout” is not correct.
The layout is unchanged.  What changes is how you are navigating the Safari 
window.
It does not matter if you have QuickNab on or off, because the keyboard 
commands you are using are regular VO commands.
The command VO + Fn + Left Arrow, should move your VO focus to the top left 
corner of the web page area, if you have already interacted with the browser 
area.
Once your focus is at the top left of the web page, with QuickNab on, pressing 
H, will move your focus to the first heading element on the page.

When your focus lands on the control buttons (Closed, Minimize buttons), this 
is the top left corner of the entire Safari window, and you must have pressed 
VO + Fn + CMD + Left Arrow, because this is the VO command that moves your 
focus to this location.
When you find your focus here, you can press VO + Fn + Right Arrow to move your 
focus to the web page area, where you will need to interact.  Once you 
interact, your focus will be at the top left corner of the web page area, which 
is apparently where you are intending to be.

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Hi, Group.
I use Safari and Youtube is my homepage.
When I open the Browser and hit VO-FN-Left-Arrow with Quick Nav on to go to the 
beginning of the page, I find Banner, guide and eventually heading with letter 
h.
I am very happy with this layout.
Sometimes when I move to the beginning of the page, I find Closed, Minimize 
buttons followed byToolbar,Tab-bar Verticle splittor etc. I hate this layout 
because I get stuck here and can not move ahead with VO-Right.
Finding headings is not easy either in this layout.
It happens at random with no fault of mine.
May I know a way to negotiate and navigate with this layout, please?
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Re: Battery Status

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You can find this information by accessing the Bluetooth item, in the Status 
Menu (formerly Menu Extras), on your Mac, by pressing VO + M twice.

HTH.

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  On the Mac running Ventura, how does one check battery status for connected 
Bluetooth devices such as the Magic Trackpad? Thanks.

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Re: How to block adds on websites?

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I use AdBlocker Pro.  You can get it in the Mac AppStore.

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Thanks, Anders.
Donna


> On Nov 9, 2022, at 11:58 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I think there’s an Adblocker for safari.
> Not sure if its ad blocker plus that has a safari version.
> You can open the safari prefs and go to the add-ons tab and search for it 
> there I think.
> /A
> 
>> 9 nov. 2022 kl. 17:46 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Can anyone help with this? I have Pop-ups set to block, but I’m still 
>> getting bombarded with adds on some websites.  How do I stop that? Using 
>> Safari in Monterrey.
>> Donna
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Re: Voiceover and f keys.

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No.

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On Nov 8, 2022, at 16:49, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

does Apple make keyboards with wires any more?

> On Nov 8, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Bradford Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know anything about the keyboard you have.
> Try pressing the VO modifier and then pressing NumberRow keys, as I 
> previously described, and see if that allows you to perform VO actions that 
> utilize F-keys.
> If that doesn’t work, I recommend abandoning your current keyboard, and 
> getting an Apple Magic keyboard.  It may cost a little more, but it is 
> guaranteed to work properly with a Mac. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 8, 2022, at 15:31, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I’ve got a keyboard by Cherry that has all the music controls across the top 
> and I can’t get the function keys to work as regular function keys. it’s not 
> a Logitech. does what you’re talking about only work with logetech keyboards?
> 
> in Keyboard shortcuts I haven’t been able to find a button to check for using 
> the F keys as normal function keys. the “play” key is where F8 should be and 
> it doesn’t do anything if I press vo along with it as I would when turning on 
> the vo utility.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Bradford Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> On macOS versions prior to Ventura, go to System Preferences > Keyboard, 
>> select the Keyboard tab, and navigate to the checkbox labeled "use function 
>> keys as normal F1 thru F12”.
>> 
>> Note:  When using  some Logitech keyboards, the option to change the 
>> behavior of F-keys does not exist.
>> In this case, you must press the Fn key, along with the VO modifier, in 
>> order to perform VoiceOver functions that use F-keys.
>> 
>> As an alternative, on macOS versions beginning with Yosemite and later, it 
>> may be possible to use NumberRow keys in combination with the VO modifier, 
>> to perform VO functions that require F-keys.
>> This became an option, with the introduction of the TouchBar Macs, and is 
>> available on all Macs beginning with macOS Yosemite, because Yosemite was 
>> the version of macOS that came installed on the first models of TouchBar 
>> Macs.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 12:22, Greg Wocher > <mailto:gtwoc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> How you do this depends on which version of Mac OS you are running. I will 
>> give the instructions for Mac OS Ventura since that is what I am running.
>> 1. Open up System settings.
>> 2. Once in the list of settings find keyboard by either arrowing around 
>> until you find it or start typing keyboard and it should jump you right to 
>> it. 
>> 3. Once you find keyboard use VO plus right arrow to move to the keyboard 
>> scroll area and interact with it.
>> 4. Now VO right arrow till you hear keyboard shortcuts button and activate 
>> it. 
>> 5. Once you activate the button it will put you on a table of different 
>> sections you can find keyboard shortcuts for. Interact with this table.
>> 6. Once you interact, use VO plus down arrow to move to a button that says 
>> function keys and activate it.
>> 7. Once you activate the button stop interacting and move to the right with 
>> VO plus right arrow and you will be able to activate the option to use 
>> function keys as normal F1 thru F12.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Anders Holmberg >> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I am using a Logitech xm keys.
>>> Very very nice to type at.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 8 nov. 2022 kl. 18:23 skrev Doug Lee >>> <mailto:d...@dlee.org>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Which keyboard are you using? I don't have to use Fn from a wired Apple 
>>>> aluminum keyboard. Bluetooth keyboards
>>>> vary in how to do this I think. I've seen Fn+Esc toggle this on some of 
>>>> them. Some may require an application
>>>> to change this behavior, though I've only worked with keyboards like that 
>>>> under Windows.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm assuming you are not asking about Quick Nav mode, which does not 
>>>> involve the Fn key but does reduce the
>>>> number of simultaneous keys you have to press for a number of commands.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 06:14:32PM +0100, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>&g

Re: Voiceover and f keys.

[Bradford Snyder]

I don’t know anything about the keyboard you have.
Try pressing the VO modifier and then pressing NumberRow keys, as I previously 
described, and see if that allows you to perform VO actions that utilize F-keys.
If that doesn’t work, I recommend abandoning your current keyboard, and getting 
an Apple Magic keyboard.  It may cost a little more, but it is guaranteed to 
work properly with a Mac. 

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On Nov 8, 2022, at 15:31, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I’ve got a keyboard by Cherry that has all the music controls across the top 
and I can’t get the function keys to work as regular function keys. it’s not a 
Logitech. does what you’re talking about only work with logetech keyboards?

in Keyboard shortcuts I haven’t been able to find a button to check for using 
the F keys as normal function keys. the “play” key is where F8 should be and it 
doesn’t do anything if I press vo along with it as I would when turning on the 
vo utility.

thanks.
Lorie

> On Nov 8, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Bradford Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> On macOS versions prior to Ventura, go to System Preferences > Keyboard, 
> select the Keyboard tab, and navigate to the checkbox labeled "use function 
> keys as normal F1 thru F12”.
> 
> Note:  When using  some Logitech keyboards, the option to change the behavior 
> of F-keys does not exist.
> In this case, you must press the Fn key, along with the VO modifier, in order 
> to perform VoiceOver functions that use F-keys.
> 
> As an alternative, on macOS versions beginning with Yosemite and later, it 
> may be possible to use NumberRow keys in combination with the VO modifier, to 
> perform VO functions that require F-keys.
> This became an option, with the introduction of the TouchBar Macs, and is 
> available on all Macs beginning with macOS Yosemite, because Yosemite was the 
> version of macOS that came installed on the first models of TouchBar Macs.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 8, 2022, at 12:22, Greg Wocher  <mailto:gtwoc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> How you do this depends on which version of Mac OS you are running. I will 
> give the instructions for Mac OS Ventura since that is what I am running.
> 1. Open up System settings.
> 2. Once in the list of settings find keyboard by either arrowing around until 
> you find it or start typing keyboard and it should jump you right to it. 
> 3. Once you find keyboard use VO plus right arrow to move to the keyboard 
> scroll area and interact with it.
> 4. Now VO right arrow till you hear keyboard shortcuts button and activate 
> it. 
> 5. Once you activate the button it will put you on a table of different 
> sections you can find keyboard shortcuts for. Interact with this table.
> 6. Once you interact, use VO plus down arrow to move to a button that says 
> function keys and activate it.
> 7. Once you activate the button stop interacting and move to the right with 
> VO plus right arrow and you will be able to activate the option to use 
> function keys as normal F1 thru F12.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Anders Holmberg > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am using a Logitech xm keys.
>> Very very nice to type at.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 8 nov. 2022 kl. 18:23 skrev Doug Lee mailto:d...@dlee.org>>:
>>> 
>>> Which keyboard are you using? I don't have to use Fn from a wired Apple 
>>> aluminum keyboard. Bluetooth keyboards
>>> vary in how to do this I think. I've seen Fn+Esc toggle this on some of 
>>> them. Some may require an application
>>> to change this behavior, though I've only worked with keyboards like that 
>>> under Windows.
>>> 
>>> I'm assuming you are not asking about Quick Nav mode, which does not 
>>> involve the Fn key but does reduce the
>>> number of simultaneous keys you have to press for a number of commands.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 06:14:32PM +0100, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Can someone remind me on how to do to not having to press the fn key with 
>>> all Voiceover commands?
>>> Some commands with function keys are very hard to perform.
>>> Bless!
>>> /A
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Re: Voiceover and f keys.

[Bradford Snyder]

On macOS versions prior to Ventura, go to System Preferences > Keyboard, select 
the Keyboard tab, and navigate to the checkbox labeled "use function keys as 
normal F1 thru F12”.

Note:  When using  some Logitech keyboards, the option to change the behavior 
of F-keys does not exist.
In this case, you must press the Fn key, along with the VO modifier, in order 
to perform VoiceOver functions that use F-keys.

As an alternative, on macOS versions beginning with Yosemite and later, it may 
be possible to use NumberRow keys in combination with the VO modifier, to 
perform VO functions that require F-keys.
This became an option, with the introduction of the TouchBar Macs, and is 
available on all Macs beginning with macOS Yosemite, because Yosemite was the 
version of macOS that came installed on the first models of TouchBar Macs.

HTH.

- Brad -



On Nov 8, 2022, at 12:22, Greg Wocher  wrote:

Hello,
How you do this depends on which version of Mac OS you are running. I will give 
the instructions for Mac OS Ventura since that is what I am running.
1. Open up System settings.
2. Once in the list of settings find keyboard by either arrowing around until 
you find it or start typing keyboard and it should jump you right to it. 
3. Once you find keyboard use VO plus right arrow to move to the keyboard 
scroll area and interact with it.
4. Now VO right arrow till you hear keyboard shortcuts button and activate it. 
5. Once you activate the button it will put you on a table of different 
sections you can find keyboard shortcuts for. Interact with this table.
6. Once you interact, use VO plus down arrow to move to a button that says 
function keys and activate it.
7. Once you activate the button stop interacting and move to the right with VO 
plus right arrow and you will be able to activate the option to use function 
keys as normal F1 thru F12.

Greg Wocher


> On Nov 8, 2022, at 12:38 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am using a Logitech xm keys.
> Very very nice to type at.
> /A
> 
>> 8 nov. 2022 kl. 18:23 skrev Doug Lee :
>> 
>> Which keyboard are you using? I don't have to use Fn from a wired Apple 
>> aluminum keyboard. Bluetooth keyboards
>> vary in how to do this I think. I've seen Fn+Esc toggle this on some of 
>> them. Some may require an application
>> to change this behavior, though I've only worked with keyboards like that 
>> under Windows.
>> 
>> I'm assuming you are not asking about Quick Nav mode, which does not involve 
>> the Fn key but does reduce the
>> number of simultaneous keys you have to press for a number of commands.
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2022 at 06:14:32PM +0100, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Can someone remind me on how to do to not having to press the fn key with 
>> all Voiceover commands?
>> Some commands with function keys are very hard to perform.
>> Bless!
>> /A
>> 
>> --
>> Doug Lee d...@dlee.orghttp://www.dlee.org
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>> it after the age of six." --John W. Gardner and Francesca Gardner Reese
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Re: Mac Doesn't Ring?

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To enable this feature, do the following:
1.  On your iPhone, go to Settings > Phone )or Cellular).
2.  Swipe to "Calls on Other Devices”, and double tap to open.
3.  Here you can enable this feature, and Select the devices you wish to 
receive calls from your iPhone.

HTH.

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On Nov 7, 2022, at 18:44, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:

Hi, Group.
I have just upgraded to iPhone12 from iPhone8.
When my SIM was in iPhone8, Macbook-Pro-2017 used to ring whenever I got a 
phone-call, however, Mac does not ring now since I activated iPhone12. I like 
and prefer Macbook ring. How can I have Macbook ring again, please?Thanks! 

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Re: External Drive for Mac?

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It doesn’t matter.  The same drive will work on either system.
Only thing to be aware of, is that a drive formatted as an NTSF drive, should 
be reformatted for best performance on a Mac.

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On Nov 6, 2022, at 18:55, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:

Hi, Group.
I am looking for an external drive for Mac. May I know whether the external 
drive for Mac is different from that of for Windows, or it doesn't matter?
Your help/recommendations are highly appreciated.
Thanks!

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Re: drop box link with ventura

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How are you creating the link?  Are you running the Dropbox app on your Mac?
I am running the Dropbox app on my Mac running macOS Ventura, and created the 
below link with no issue.
I went to the Dropbox folder in Finder, which is located in my Home folder.  I 
put focus on the item I wanted to share, then opened the Shortcut menu, and 
selected the item "Copy Dropbox Link”, and heard a message from VoiceOver that 
the link had been copied to the clipboard.
I then pasted the link below.
This is the same sequence and behavior as with prior versions of macOS.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8w25opv8ebuw793/Winamp590__final_full_en-us.exe?dl=0

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Hi,
When I copy a drop box link from drop box on my mac ventura, the link does not 
appear. What does appear is a png  button. I use the menu to copy the drop box 
link but now with ventura the link does not copy but this png button appears. I 
have sent this button in an email to myself but when the email arrives, there 
is no button. Any way around this and find the drop box link to copy?
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Re: What is Launchpad?

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If you put your VoiceOver focus on the Launchpad item in the Dock, and then 
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I think it’s a visual control panel for launching apps.

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> May I know what is Launchpad and what does it do, please?
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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It mutes everything.
The original question asked specifically, how to mute speech using a keyboard 
instead of the trackpad.
Like I said, using F10 to mute system volume is not the same thing.

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On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

ok but that effectively mutes speech. probably other things too.

Sent from my iPhone

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F10 mutes system volume.
This is not the same as muting VoiceOver speech. 

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Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

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> This can only be done using the trackpad.
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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F10 mutes system volume.
This is not the same as muting VoiceOver speech. 

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Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:35 AM, Bradford Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
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> This can only be done using the trackpad.
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> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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No, there is no keyboard command to mute speech.
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Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!
 

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Re: Taking Screen Shot in iPhone12?

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At the same time, press both the volume up button, and the Side/Power button.
You should hear your iPhone make a shutter click sound, and VO should say 
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You will find the screen shot in your photo library.

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Hi, Group.
How can I take screen shot in iPhone12, please?
Thanks!

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Re: Command-one for Inbox?

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I have done this before.  It is a little tricky, but try doing the following to 
restore the All Inboxes item to your Favorites Mailboxes list:

1.  Using VoiceOver navigation, navigate to your Mailboxes table, and interact.
2.  Using VO + LeftArrow, navigate to the Favorites heading label at the top of 
the Mailboxes table.  You should hear VoiceOver say something like “Favorites, 
expanded. 6 items enclosed. level 1.” 
3.  Now, route your mouse arrow to the location of the VO cursor, using VO + 
CMD + F5, and then press VO + Shift + Spacebar to initiate a mouse click on the 
Favorites heading label.
4.  Now, press VO + Shift + DownArrow to interact with the Favorites heading 
label, and then use VO + RightArrow to locate the Add button, and press VO + 
Spacebar, to select this item, and open the Add Favorites dialog.
5.  Navigate to the Mailbox to Add: pop up button, and press VO + Spacebar to 
open the pop-up list.  You should find All Inboxes at the top of the list.  
Press VO + Spacebar to select.
6.  Navigate to the OK button, and press VO + Spacebar, and you are done. 

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Hi all,
I’ve got a late 2014 Mac mini and am still on Montery. Some time ago, I did 
something that caused “All Inboxes” to be removed from my Mail favorites bar. 
So now, command 1 gives me all drafts, Command 2 gives me all Sent, etc. I have 
two mail accounts, and have favorites for each one separately, but I’d really 
love to get the All Inboxes back if possible. Does anyone know how to do this 
in Monterey? I seem to remember trying to get it back when it happened, but 
again that was a while ago and I don’t remember what I tried to do. This thread 
reminded me about it so thought I’d ask.
Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

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> If you have three mail accounts set up on your Mac, pressing CMD + 1, should 
> take you to your All Inbox. This is where you can see mail for all three of 
> your active accounts, in a combined inbox.
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> Hi, Group.
> I have three email accounts in Mac. I have read that Command+1 takes to 
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Re: Transferring data to new iMax

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I do the same.
I believe a clean start is the best way to go.
I also keep my important documents in iCloud, and once I sign into my Apple ID 
account, all my stuff is there.
I also use Dropbox, but that is mostly how I exchange files with various groups 
with which I collaborate.
Then, I install any applications I have previously purchased from the Mac 
AppStore, and do a clean install of other applications I have acquired from 
other sources. 
One thing I never do, is set up a new Mac from a Time Machine backup.  I 
believe doing this creates more problems than it solves.
And absolutely never set up a new Mac with Apple Silicon, from a Time Machine 
backup from an Intel Mac.
Every person I have known to have done this, has rendered their new Mac 
unusable, and ended up returning the new Mac to Apple.

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When I bought my 14-inch MacBook Pro, I started afresh. I copied over important 
files, but I installed all of the software new.

> On Oct 27, 2022, at 18:28, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I would use a service like Dropbox or iCloud and store all your documents 
> there. You could also use an external drive.
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>> On Oct 27, 2022, at 15:49, Agent086b  wrote:
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>> I am about to purchase a new iMac. Do I transfer stuff from my old one using 
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>> Thanks as always for any advice.
>> Max.
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Re: Reading By Line the Search Results of a Word Defination?

[Bradford Snyder]

After interacting with the web page content area, try using VO + Right or Left 
arrow key.

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On Oct 18, 2022, at 12:24, Fazil M.  wrote:

Hi, Group.
Please bear with me for my seemingly stupid question.
I have MacbookPro2017 with Montray12.5.
Should I read with Down Arrow or Right Arrow if I want to read a webpage by 
line, or it doesn’t matter?
The reason I am asking this is that this morning I searched for the definition 
of the word ‘bonkers’ on my Mac.
I wanted to read everything about search results without missing anything, so I 
tried to read by line. I wasn’t sure whether reading with Right Arrow would 
read everything or reading with Down Arrow.
I could not figure out which stretagy is better than the other.
Any advice is highly appreciated.
Thanks!

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Re: Going Back to HomePage in Safari?

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You can skip the Shift key.
Holding down the Fn key, makes the Left arrow perform as the Home key.
All you need is Fn + CMD + Left arrow.

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On Oct 17, 2022, at 17:24, Fazil M.  wrote:

I have found the Key combination on Apple Magic Keyboard, it is 
Shifp-Command+Function Key + left arrow for going back to HomePage in Safari.
.
Thanks!
 
From: mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 3:11 PM
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Subject: Re: Going Back to HomePage in Safari?
 
Hi,
Both keystrokes work.
I guess it may be easier to use command+shift+h on a LapTop.
But on my Mac, I have always used command+Home.
 


> On Oct 17, 2022, at 5:52 PM, Bradford Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
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> The correct command for going to the Home page in Safari is CMD + Shift + H.
>  
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>  
> On Oct 17, 2022, at 16:33, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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> Press command plus Home.
>  
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>> How can I go to homepage in Safari, please?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Going Back to HomePage in Safari?

[Bradford Snyder]

Well, you are correct all along.
I have learned something new.

- Brad -




From: mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 3:11 PM
To: Email Groups 
Subject: Re: Going Back to HomePage in Safari?
 
Hi,
Both keystrokes work.
I guess it may be easier to use command+shift+h on a LapTop.
But on my Mac, I have always used command+Home.
 


> On Oct 17, 2022, at 5:52 PM, Bradford Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
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> The correct command for going to the Home page in Safari is CMD + Shift + H.
>  
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> 
>  
> On Oct 17, 2022, at 16:33, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Press command plus Home.
>  
> 
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>> How can I go to homepage in Safari, please?
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Re: Going Back to HomePage in Safari?

[Bradford Snyder]

The correct command for going to the Home page in Safari is CMD + Shift + H.

- Brad -



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Press command plus Home.


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Re: Apple mail

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Sounds like you are hearing an alert from Notifications.
You can go to System Preferences > Notifications & Focus, to manage 
Notifications from Mail.

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On Oct 17, 2022, at 16:28, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

Right now mail is announcing the subject of every email I get. I want to stop 
this as it interrupts me if I’m doing something else. Would that be in mail or 
somewhere else?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Command in Monterrey to Eject an external disk?

[Bradford Snyder]

This is strange, indeed.
Not sure what could  be the issue.
I assume this disk’s icon is located on your Desktop.
Make sure any files or folders on the disk are closed.  Make sure you empty the 
Trash before attempting to eject the disk.
Make sure focus is on the disk icon on the desktop, or use CMD + Shift + C, to 
open the Computer folder, where you can select the disk and then use CMD + E, 
to initiate the Eject command.
If all else fails, you can shut down your Mac, and remove the disk, and then 
restart your Mac.

HTH.

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On Oct 14, 2022, at 08:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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I don’t know what to say.  I cannot eject my backup disk with CMD-E.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Oct 14, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> CMD + E, will eject an external drive.
> This command works in macOS Monterey,  and every other version of the Mac 
> operating system I have ever used.
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> On Oct 14, 2022, at 06:41, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Janet
> 
> It is a backup drive, and that is what I have been doing.  I was just hoping 
> there was a single key-press option for performing this function, as there 
> was prior to Monterrey.
> 
> Thanks to all who responded.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2022, at 8:42 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Is the item you want to eject a backup drive? If so, go to Finder and 
>> VO-Left and Right Arrow until you hear the name of your drive. Then do 
>> Shift-VO-M and arrow down to eject. It may take a minute or two before the 
>> drive is ready to be ejected.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2022, at 9:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I notice that in Monterrey CMD-E no longer works to eject an external disk 
>>> drive.  Anyone know if there’s a new command?  I tried CMD-Option-E but 
>>> that didn’t do it.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Syncing Messages Across Devices

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Make sure you are running the most recent update of iOS and macOS, on all of 
your devices.
That will be a problem, because your iPhone 6 cannot run the current version of 
iOS.
Depending on which Mac mini you have, that could be a problem with the mini as 
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On Oct 13, 2022, at 13:43, Bill Gallik  wrote:

I want to thank both Herb and Dave for their answers.  However, I have no 
“Messages” icon in System Preferences on my Mac Mini.

The problem is that messages that have been deleted from my iPhones tend to 
remain on the Mac.  I did open the Messages Toolbar on my Mac and selected the 
iMessages option whereupon I did find the Sync Button.  But nothing more than 
that.


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> On Oct 13, 2022, at 11:12 AM, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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> Just checked the toolbar for the messages app on Monterey OS. Only three 
> items are General, iMessage, and Shared with You. What OS are you referring 
> to?
> 
> Dave Carlson
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> 
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> On Oct 13, 2022, at 6:01 AM, Herbie Allen  > wrote:
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> Check your message preferences. In Messages, do a Command Comma, Look for the 
> toolbar and interact. You want the Messages option. You will find options to 
> sink, and I  would also try the Sink now button.
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2022, at 00:38, Bill Gallik > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m running into an issue with the Messages app where messages on all my 
>> devices (Mac Mini, iPhone SE, iPhone 8, iPhone 6) when I compose and send 
>> said messages.  This is fine, but when I delete a message or message 
>> conversation on my iPhones they are not removed from the Mac Mini.
>> 
>> Can anybody suggest where I might change this so messages are completely 
>> synchronized across ALL devices?
>> 
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Re: I need an accessible thermostat

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I have a Honeywell Total Comfort Connect thermostat.  The unit is completely 
accessible through the iOS app,
there are several models to choose from.  I have the RTH9585.  It is available 
from Amazon and Home Depot.  Honeywell was recommended by my HVAC company, who 
strongly advised against getting the Nest thermostat.
I have been using this thermostat and the iOS app for about 7 years, and highly 
recommend it to anyone needing an accessible thermostat.  It will do all the 
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I have to replace my hvac downstairs. I need an accessible thermostat. HVAC 
company recommends the Ecobee. Says they have had less issues with this brand 
over NEST.
So I see Amazon has the 2022 version on their site.
For the Ecobee owners, Can you adjust if the wifi goes down? 
Also, is there an auto setting for heat/cool so once the temp reaches a certain 
degree heat or air will automatically come on? Can you turn off the system if 
you want to open windows?

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Re: Voiceover At Login?

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Slight correction.
When in System Preferences > Users & Groups; navigate to the Users, Groups. and 
Login Options List, interact with the table, and select Login Options, not your 
name.  Then sop interacting with the table, and navigate to the Accessibility 
Options button.
Note:  You will need to seelect the Lock icon, and enter your Admin Password, 
in order to make any changes.

HTH.

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  Yes indeed. System preferences, Users and Groups. Select your name, jump to 
the next window. At the bottom navigate up until you find the Accessibility 
button. Activate it and interact with the table then put a check on Voiceover.

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On 10/10/2022 10:13 AM, Fazil M. wrote:
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> May I have Voiceover at Login in my Macbook-Pro2017? If yes, how can it be 
> done, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Apple pay

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Try going to Apple ID > Payment & Shipping, on either Mac or iOS.
You can update/correct your billing address there.
As I said before, when I had this issue, I needed to change my zip code to only 
5 digits, and that fixed the issue.
Not sure if that will fix it for you, but it is worth looking at.

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On Oct 4, 2022, at 17:21, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

when sending money I've run into this "update billing address" thing again like 
I did online. where is that? I. found a shipping address in my wallet but that 
doesn't appear to be it.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: some questions, and a request for help regarding my new Apple watch series 8 of the watch.

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You can also add a Battery complication to a watch face, that will tell you the 
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Hi Maurice,

First, you can make your watch chime on the hour.  Either on your watch or your 
phone, go into Settings, then Clock, then turn on Chimes.  You can then choose 
whether to have a chime or a bird song.

Second, to access the battery level on your watch, swipe left—if your watch 
hand is pointing at your opposite hand, to open the control center.  From 
there, you can swipe down until you hear the battery level spoken.

I’m not sure what you’re asking in your third question.  Can you give us an 
example?
Best,
Donna

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> Good evening everyone, my subject line states I have some questions regarding 
> my new Apple watch. The first question is are there any that can run on the 
> watch that will allow the watch to give me a once in our. If someone knows 
> about and am that will allow me to do this, as well as be accessible while 
> using voiceover, please feel free to let me know if you know of any good 
> accessible applications.
> 
> 
> I next question as to do more with battery life, and finding that it is 
> typical that I am getting roughly 24 hours plus from the battery that is in 
> listening watch. That brings me to another question must I use my phone, to 
> find out what the battery level is on the watch? My final question is based 
> on what I've read the output of the watch can be mirrored on some the other 
> devices, such as my phone or Mac computer. Is this true?
> 
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Moving Applications positions in the Monterey doc?

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Actually, CMD is not needed.  The command to move items on the dock is OPT + 
Left/Right Arrow Key.
Apparently, it seems to have always been just the Option key by itself.

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On Oct 1, 2022, at 13:49, John Panarese  wrote:

As far as I know, it has always been option and command with the left or right 
arrow to move items in the dock.

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Re: Mac mini with M1 chip and questions

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A Mac with Apple silicon will not run Bootcamp.  There are some other options, 
but there may be some accessibility issues with some of these options.
Apple does still sell a Mac mini with an Intel processor, and this Mac will run 
bootcamp.
A Mac mini does not require a monitor to function, however if you want a 
monitor, pretty much any monitor will work, but be advised that the mini has 
both a HDMI port, and Thunderbolt ports, so you will need an adapter for some 
monitors.
Another option to consider is the 24” iMac with apple silicon.  My wife, who is 
sighted, has one of these, and it is a very nice option worth considering if 
you want a Mac with a very good monitor.

If you are considering a new Mac with Apple silicon, I would wait until after 
the yet to be announced October Apple event, where new Macs are expected to be 
announced.
If you are interested in the mini with the Intel processor, you might want to 
act soon, because it is unknown how long Apple will continue selling this 
option, and it could easily disappear once the October event is held, though I 
would assume some of these models could still be purchase from the Apple 
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Hi,

Yesterday my 2012 imac died.  I’m trying to decide what to buy.  I’m thinking 
of getting a mac mini with M1 chip.

My questions are:
1. Could I run windows in bootcamp on it?
2. What sort of monitor I need to get? I don’t thinkk it comes with a monitor.

Many thanks

Andrew 

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Re: copying text on an iPhone

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With the email message open in the Mail app on your iPhone, do the following:
Set the Rotor to Text Selection, then flick up or down to Select All, then 
perform a one-finger double tap 
The contents of the email message should now be copied to the iPhone’s 
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How do I copy the text of an email to the clipboard on my phone?

thanks.
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Re: Question about pages and numbers on the Mac.

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It is possible that this particular Mac is too old to be eligible to download & 
install Pages and Numbers for free.
Prior to 2013, Apple charged $10 per application for these apps.  On Macs 
purchase new (or refurbished) after this point, these apps were available free 
of charge.  I could be incorrect on the date being 2013.  It is possible that 
the apps became free beginning with Macs purchased in 2014.

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On Sep 17, 2022, at 14:41, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

If you search forApple Pages it should be the first item to come up. Just make 
sure that it is free, and that the developer is Apple.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 17, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Michael Irons  > wrote:
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> Hi everyone, this is Mike from Oklahoma.
> I have a question about pages and numbers on the Mac. I have a MacBook Air 11 
> that I inherited from my sister. I am trying to get pages and numbers onto 
> the Mac. How do I know that I am getting the same application for pages and 
> numbers on the Mac that I can work with and have the files from those 
> programs come out or I can work with them on the Mac and then bring them up 
> on my phone to look at later? I know that I may sound rather confused but 
> when I try and look for pages in the macOS App Store I get a number of 
> different things that come up for pages and I’m just not sure which one do 
> you actually get. 
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Re: IOS 16 for iPad Air?

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Sometime in October, when the new iPads are ready for release.

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On Sep 16, 2022, at 08:56, Patrick Ford  wrote:

Hi, I have the update on my phone but when will IOS 16 be available for my iPad 
Air? Thanks.
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Re: I recommend against upgrading to IOS 16

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I also am not experiencing any “swiping” issues.
Only problem I am having, is when I have Smart Invert (or Classic Invert) 
enabled, I am not able to access the AppSwitcher.
I am able to remedy this situation by, turning off Smart Invert, and then 
restarting my iPhone.
Once the phone restarts, the AppSwitcher works s expected, until Smart Invert 
is enabled again, and the issue is present again.
I’ve tried using Dark Mode instead of Smart Invert, but Dark Mode only works in 
certain apps, and does not provide the same experience.
 

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  Upgraded yesterday. No swiping issues of any kind. No issues either with the 
phone app; So far the only thing I see that confirms I am using iOS 16 is in 
the app stire app and checking latest nates. Apple separated the release notes 
and put them after tyhe open button. Other than that, things are good.

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On 9/14/2022 12:29 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Jessica, I don’t usually call people from contacts, but what you are 
> describing makes sense.  It’s seems like there is some fundamental problem 
> with VO focusing on an item and then holding that focus until I shift it by 
> touching another element on the screen.  What phone model do you have?
> Donna
>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 2:21 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>> I’ve found this to be an issue as well, along with something strange 
>> happening with my phone screen this morning.  I went into my recent 
>> contacts, and tried calling back someone who was close to the top of the 
>> screen, and ended up calling someone else instead, not realizing what 
>> happened.
>>  Then just to help prevent this from happening again, I decided to go into 
>> the more info menu, just to make sure I was calling the right person, and my 
>> screen apparently jumped again, and went into information for the wrong 
>> contact, and it took about 3 tries for me to select the right one.
>>  Is anyone else noticing this?
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> After approx 24 hours with IOS 16, I have come to the conclusion that my 
>>> phone is only marginally usable.  In addition to the swiping issue 
>>> previously discussed, I’m also finding that often when I tap an icon or a 
>>> mail message, the item will not open.  Sometimes I can work around this by 
>>> doing a tap and hold, but other times I cannot.
>>> 
>>> Everyone’s mileage may vary, of course, and from what I read on AppleVis, 
>>> the usability may vary from one model to another.  FWIW, I have a 12 mini.  
>>> However, I wanted to post this to the list, just to warn others that they 
>>> might be in for a bumpy ride with IOS 16.  Were I you, I would wait, and 
>>> hope for another release that fixes some of these issues.  This is the 
>>> worst accessibility experience I’ve ever had with Apple, since getting my 
>>> first iPhone in 2009.  I’ve actually written Accessibility to ask about 
>>> downgrading, which I have never done before.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> P.S.  If others have had a better experience, feel free to post and 
>>> disagree, so that listers can have the most complete information possible 
>>> when deciding to upgrade.
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Re: Bluetooth Connectivity

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I doubt your hearing aids are designed to be paired with more than one device 
at a time.
I have Resound aids, which require that pairing be done through the Resound 
app, and I have never looked to see if there is a version of the app in the 
iPadOS AppStore.
Since I want my aids to be paired with my iPhone for general use, I have never 
considered pairing them with another device.

As for muting incoming calls and alerts when you are working with your dog, you 
have 2 options.  Either use the mute switch on the side of your iPhone or you 
can enable Do Not Disturb, which can be done via Control Center, in Focus, or 
you can ask Siri to enable Do Not Disturb.

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  Now that I have new hearing devices with Bluetooth and paired with both 
iPhoneand iPad, I wonder if there is a way to switch between them. Right now it 
appears not. I had to 'forget this device' on the iPhone then pair with it gain 
before I had connectivity.

  Also. when I am working my guide dog, I don't want my phone to announce 
incoming calls when I need to be paying attention to traffic etc. Is there a 
quick way to handle this. Thanks much.

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Re: Help with the Mac book .

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I some times experience this same issue on my 2021 M1 MacBook Pro.
Tell your friend, that when he experiences this problematic phenomena, he 
should toggle VoiceOver off, and then back on again.
This remedy usually works for me.

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On Sep 11, 2022, at 12:36, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries 
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Good afternoon everyone on here.

Please can anyone on here help.

This query isn't for me, but for my friend Chris Graham in Australia.
He isn't a member of this group, so this is why I'm asking on his behalf.

On his Mac book M1, when he is using it if he leaves it alone for not very long 
at all the screen goes black as if it has gone to sleep.
All VoiceOver says is application .

To be clear, this is not a screen saver, as I managed to find the tick box for 
this for him, he has unticked this and it is still doing it.

I know what VoiceOver says as he has got What;sApp on the Mac and it does it 
during his messages.
To come out of this state, he has got to press a key on the keyboard.

He has done all sorts of Google searches and YouTube searches, all he can find 
on YouTube is something about Energy saver preferences.


Well both me and Chris have looked everywhere in System preferences, there is 
no energy saver button what so ever!

I managed to find something in the battery part, turn display off after.
But I tried to set this to never, when I close the preferences window, it 
resets to 60%.

We believe this is what needs to be changed, this slider needs to be set to 
zero.
So please if anyone knows how to turn this annoying state off, can you let me 
know as we are both completely out of ideas!

Also, before I sign off he has bought a clipboard manager called Copy clip two.
He wants to turn on a feature called Direct paste.

Well where are the app preferences located?
This is not the app store preferences, I am talking about the app specific 
preferences where you can control what apps can and can't do.

Many thanks, I look forward to any responses!
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Re: iPhone se22

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I don't believe this is true.
iOS 16 should run on iPhone 8, and newer.
iPhone SE 2020 has the same processor as the iPhone 11 series, which supports 
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On 10/9/22 20:20, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> Does the iPhone se22 have a faster processor than the iPhonese20? are there 
> other significant differences?

Yes, it has a newer processor. Note also that the 2022 edition can reportedly 
be upgraded to iOS 16, whereas the 2020 version cannot.

There are other differences. See
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Re: Question re taking email accounts offline

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Another way to do this, is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and 
disable the mail account there.

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On Sep 7, 2022, at 22:00, Herbie Allen  wrote:

I am unaware of any reason why it would not enable until you do so. I had 
sinking issues with an exchange mail server that I was unaware of for several 
months. 

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> I would like to be able to disable my work email on my Mac when I don’t want 
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Re: Plantronix headset

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You need to make sure the Plantronics headset is in pairing mode. 

- Brad -



On May 19, 2020, at 11:47, Nebojsa Tasic  wrote:


Hello!


My Plantronix headset is not visible in MacBook. When I open System preferences 
and click blue tooth, There are other devices in table, but not this headset. 
I've read that there is button Plus or Add new device, but VO doesn't find it.

Please, could you help me to pair it.


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Re: Variety of Mac questions

[Bradford Snyder]

I agree with John.
I have a 2019 MacBook Pro 13 and I continue to learn more about the TouchBar 
the longer I have this machine.
I really think it is a personal choice.  Are you interested in learning to use 
the TouchBar or do you just want to stick with the familiar row of f-keys.
Aside from the TouchBar, you need to decide which machine suits your needs.  Do 
you need the more powerful MacBook Pro, or will the new MacBook Air do the job 
for you.
Also, there are 2 versions of the TouchBar MacBook Pro to choose from.  
Personally, I don’t think the entry-level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-
c ports is worth considering versus the new MacBook Air, but that is just my 
opinion.  When it comes to performance versus price, I don’t feel the 
entry-level MacBook Pro has a significant advantage over the MacBook Air, but 
again that is just my opinion.  Everyone must make the choice that is best for 
themselves.

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On May 18, 2020, at 12:39, John Panarese  wrote:

  Actually, the Touch Bar is a very powerful and useful tool, and many people 
use it effectively on the Mac Book Pro. From a blind perspective, you have to 
get used to it and take your time learning it. You can even customize the Touch 
Bar for specific apps to do quick actions for that app. I have slowly come 
along and have taken my time learning to use it. I finally am at the point in 
which I am customizing its options and making effective use of it.


Take Care

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> On May 18, 2020, at 1:34 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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> Answers inline because there’s a lot of questions, sorry.
> 
>> On May 18, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I have a variety of Mac questions.
>> 
>> MacBook Pro 
>> As voiceover users, what are your thoughts on the MacPro touch bar? Is that 
>> a selling point over the MacBook Air?
> Its not. The Touch Bar, for me, sucks, makes things slower, and should be on 
> Air MacBooks for consumers who like shiny new stuff, instead of pros for 
> people who try their best to get work done. Yes, I really don’t like it.
> 
>> 
>> Mac mini 
>> Does anyone have experience choosing and connecting a monitor to the Mac 
>> mini? Picking out a good one for sighted household members? ;) I was under 
>> some assumption that a TV would work fine, but from my reading, that doesn't 
>> sound the case. It didn't occur to me, that monitors are built for sitting 
>> close, TV's are built for sitting away. Insert face-palm here.
> I just used a TV for my old Mac mini. It was a small TV, like a 21 inch or 
> so. 
>> 
>> Mac bluetooth accessories
>> I've recently learned about bluetooth numb pads. I remember way back in the 
>> day, I loved using an external numb pad with my Window's machine. Anyone 
>> with experience using one of these with Mac? I know the numb pad will extend 
>> voiceover commands, but I don't know if a bluetooth one will do this.
> It should.
> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the help. I am ready to upgrade my MacBook Air mid 2011, but 
>> clearly having a hard time deciding.
>> 
>> Traci 
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Re: Apple cd dvd player.

[Bradford Snyder]

This is normal.  The power requirements of the SuperDrive state that it must be 
connected directly to a Mac, and not through a USB hub, powered or otherwise.
Your less expensive DVD drive apparently has lesser power specifications.

- Brad -



On May 18, 2020, at 09:02, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I have this Apple superDrive dvd and CD player.
It seems not able to be driven through a powered usb-hub.
That is quite odd to me because my other les expensive  dvd/CD player works 
pritty fine.
So i have to connect the superDrive directly into my Mac instead.
Or maybe get a thunderbolt hub with usb ports.
/A

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Re: Oddities using a PC USB Keyboard with my Mini

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Basic troubleshooting.  Remove all the extraneous variables, and see what 
results you get.
Next step would be to try a different USB keyboard and see what happens.

- Brad -



On May 17, 2020, at 20:23, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

It's worth a try, Brad. I'll do it and report whether it makes a
difference.

The whole point of the setup is to minimize the amount of input hardware
cluttering up my desk.I go back and forth between all three machines
frequently, probably several times an hour.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Have you tried connecting the keyboard directly to the Mac mini, and not 
> going through the hub unit?
> Just a thought.
> 
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> On May 17, 2020, at 15:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I have a standard, very standard (no extra keys) 104-key PC USB keyboard
> hooked up to my new Mac Mini. I'm using a StarTech KVM switch to control
> the Mac, my Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop with this keyboard.
> 
> Working the Mac with this keyboard works mostly, but the exceptions are
> significant enough that my full-size Apple BlueTooth keyboard is never
> too far away. Specifically:
> 
> *The Mac will not accept a password typed in the PC keyboard.
> *I've tried multiple times, but I don't try anymore because it's
> *a waste of time. If I need to type my keyboard, I need to use
> *the bt keyboard.
> 
> *I cannot type an email address with the PC keyboard because I
> *don't seem to have an @ symbol. Shifting 2 on the top row of the
> *qwerty gives me the double quote mark that's also available to
> *the left of the Enter key. Strange.
> 
> Any ideas? I confess the keyboard identification wizzard didn't
> automatically associate this device. I couldn't figure how and where to
> enter the keys it was looking for to auto identify it. I tried that
> twice, but am willing to give it another go if someone has some specific
> ideas about using that application.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
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Re: Writible CDs and DVDs

[Bradford Snyder]

That would be nice.
We have a 2012 Subaru Outback with only one USB port, which is located in the 
center console compartment.

- Brad -



On May 17, 2020, at 10:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Also, note that not all USB ports specifically connect to the audio system in a 
vehicle.  We have at least five in our machine, and only the one in the little 
cubby thing under the main controls area is actually connected to the audio 
system.  The rest are simply charging ports.

Later…


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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 17, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Actually, I think it makes a lot of sense to have a USB port in the compartment 
of the center console.  You can connect a device such as an MP3 or other player 
which can be kept in the console, and then controlled by the car’s radio.  Much 
better than plugging the MP3 player into the car radio itself and having the 
wire and the player in the way.  I think this is well thought out. 

- Brad -




On May 17, 2020, at 05:33, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Makes a lot of sense,
 
Ask her to look in the centre console and see if there is a USB port in there,
 
Strangest place I’ve ever heard of putting a usb port but car manufacturers do 
some dum shit.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2020 1:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
 
Absolutely’, met wife and I use bluetooth and our phones in the car, but as I’m 
burning these CDs for a work colleague of mine and she doesn’t think she has 
bluetooth or USB in her car I figured CDs were the way to go. She might have 
Bluetooth but as she parks about a 1klm away from work so she can get exercise 
walking to work I can’t really check her car.  


On 15/05/2020, at 20:01, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Petrus,
 
I wasn’t sure if you were burning them as mp3 or audio cd’s
But yes the mp3 will be fine if the car plays it,
 
Of course I don’t need to point out that if your car has Bluetooth or an input 
jack or even usb you could put the books on your phone or your wifes and they 
can play from there.
 
A lot more books on the phone and less cd’s in the car.
 
From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 15 May 2020 8:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
 
Hi Simon,
I think you missed my original email where I said I was burning MP3  formatted 
audio books. So the play time is definitely more then 80minutes. I know the CD 
player in her car can play MP3 format. In fact the CD I burned the other day 
equates to about 18 hours play time. One thing, burning MP3  files on to a 
blank CD with the Mac is way easier then on my old windows machine. It took me 
about five minutes to work out how to do it. 



On 14/05/2020, at 18:35, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Petrus,
 
Yes you can also get DVDs that hold approximately 8.5GB
 
Dual layer dvd.
 
However if you are wanting to play these books as audio then it’s not the cd 
capacity but the playing time.
 
The cd size worked to I think from memory the 650MB cd was 80 minutes approx. 
playing time,
 
So depending on which way you  want to play the files  might be worth looking 
at the way you wish to write the data to the disks and dvd’s don’t always play 
in optical drive players.
From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 9:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Writible CDs and DVDs
 
Thanks Tim,
It tells me that has 6148 bites and if my brain is working correctly which 
isn’t a guarantee I make that  6.1MB? I’m pretty sure I can buy blank DVDs that 
can take about 4.6GB  so I’ll look online to order some of those. I was hoping 
they would be available in the Apple store but I think blank DVDs are to old 
technology for apple to worry about.  




On 14/05/2020, at 07:04, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
Hi,
 
On a Mac, if you insert the CD into your drive, it should show up on the 
Desktop as an ejectable item.  Either open the Untitled CD and check in the 
Status bar for the amount of remaining space (you may need to press cmd-slash 
to make the Status bar visible), or press cmd-i to Get Info on the CD and the 
available space will be listed.
 
Later…
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift 

Re: AIFF file converter

[Bradford Snyder]

OK, got it.
I am familiar with Rogue Amoeba software.

- Brad -



On Mar 13, 2020, at 06:42, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I use Fission from Rogue Amoeba.  Not free, but very accessible.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 23:14, Bradford Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Hey Tim,

What Utility are you using to convert files to AIFF?.
Inquiring minds and all that you know, eh.

- Brad -



On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

Sorry for making your life difficult.  The thing is that different apps use 
different formats by default.  Messages and FaceTime on your Mac usually use 
m4r alert-tones or ring-tones whereas Mail uses and alert sound.  hence the 
different formats.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:44, Petrus Tuerlings mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Never mind, it all sounds too hard. 
I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one 
Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. 

> On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Nope.  The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are 
> AIFF.  If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little 
> more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally impossible.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings  <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
> iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in 
> order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same 
> file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?
> 
>> On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
>> question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
>> Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can 
>> customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to 
>> customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
>> 
>> So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as 
>> long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the 
>> AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your 
>> Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO 
>> keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or 
>> VO-space.  Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the 
>> Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this 
>> location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane 
>> you'll have that new sound as an option.
>> 
>> If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to 
>> me off-list and I'll convert it for you.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, 
>> That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
>> difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
>> available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail 
>> app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only 
>> around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that 
>> difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own 
>> iTunes Store to our Mac’s? 
>> I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t 
>> like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.
>> 
>>> On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>

Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

[Bradford Snyder]

He wants to get the ringtones he purchase from iTunes off of his iPhone and put 
a copy on his Mac.

- Brad -



On Mar 12, 2020, at 23:38, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Petrus,
 
Now I’m confused,
 
You purchased tones from itunes store on your phone for your phone or your mac 
book?
 
If they are on your phone why do you need them on your mac book?
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 13 March 2020 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac
 
Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the 
iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in order 
to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same file type 
for the alert tones than the iPhone uses?


On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
Hi Petrus,
 
Actually, I lied.  What a scum-bag, eh?  I may have read too much into your 
question.  The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the 
Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad.  As you know, you can customize 
these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to customize the same 
sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac.
 
So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as long 
as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file.  What you do is paste the AIFF 
audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library.  That is, go to your Desktop, 
then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO keys pressed 
and go down to the Library item and activate with return or VO-space.  Now, 
your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the Sounds folder, open 
it and paste in the AIFF sound file.  Once it is in this location, go back into 
the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane you'll have that new 
sound as an option.
 
If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to me 
off-list and I'll convert it for you.
 
HTH.
 
Later...
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Tim, 
That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so 
difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are 
available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail app 
are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only around 9 
options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that difficult to 
let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own iTunes Store to 
our Mac’s? 
I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t like 
getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use.


On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
Hi,
 
A year or so ago, I did some research on this.  Supposedly it works.  So, I 
migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them 
into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when 
making Mail or Message alerts.  You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my 
description and this is purposeful.  The specific location is deeper in the 
System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I can't remember 
for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection to 
do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The tone choices did appear in 
Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play.  I either got no 
sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound.  Again, I'm not 
positive.  I gave up for now.
 
So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, and 
not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it again in 
Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
 
Later...
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
 
So, can you explain how to do this.

- Brad -



On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need to 
be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF files, 
but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.

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Re: Word Processors recommendation

[Bradford Snyder]

I got my Office365 directly from Microsoft several years ago.  When I got it, 
there were 2 options, monthly or yearly.  I went with yearly.
Now Office365 is available through the Mac AppStore, and I guess the only 
option available is monthly, though I’ve never given it a good look because 
I’ve already got it.

- Brad -



On Mar 12, 2020, at 22:57, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hey there. I know I'm late to the party, but as to the subscribing to Office 
365 yearly or monthly, I was only given the option to subscribe to it yearly. 
My subscription ends in November and I plan to renew it, but for now I don't 
need to worry. But how do you select the monthly option or is that really not a 
thing?

Regards,
Shawn,
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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 5:45 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I tend to avoid word processors altogether. I usually write my documents in 
> Markdown (for simpler material), or in LaTeX (for more complex texts, such as 
> papers intended for submission to scholarly journals).
>  
> I sometimes review or edit a colleague’s work in a word processor, or use it 
> for simple documents, but not for serious writing projects.
>  
> From: Macvisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Bradford Snyder 
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>>
> Reply-To: Macvisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 16:29
> To: Macvisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Word Processors recommendation
>  
> Text Edit is a nice option but it is pretty basic.  I have also experienced 
> issues with MS Word documents loosing certain types of formatting, such as 
> numbering and other formatting options that are not supported by Text Edit.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
>  
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I use Pages and TextEdit.  I forgot to mention TextEdit before.  It can open 
> and save to Word, although you can't do as fancy of formatting as in Word or 
> Pages.
>  
> Later...
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>  
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:50, Eric Caron  <mailto:eric.caro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Eric Caron > <mailto:eric.ca...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Tim and others,
>>  
>> My current computer only version of Microsoft Word 
>> application seems to have some glitches.  The longer my documents are the 
>> more issues that seem to crop up.  Mostly focus issues.
>>  
>> Pages being an Apple product, I’m hoping would be a better experience, but 
>> then I have the export issues.
>>  
>> Microsoft 365 is unknown to me, but I’ve not found getting the exchange 
>> account a easy process and am concerned I get the product to find it is 
>> glitchy.
>>  I’m reassured with the comment that it is accessible. 
>>  
>> I’d love to know what word processors Mac-Visionaries are using?  
>>  
>> I want to keep my documents simple and having a mix of Dox and Pages isn’t 
>> appealing, however, Pages might be the more reliable package and worth the 
>> extra steps when needed. 
>>  
>> Are there any special advantages to Microsoft 365 I might not know about?
>>  
>> So, what is the word processor my fellow Mac users on list rely on?
>>  
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Pages, Keynote and Numbers are all totally accessible.  If you plan on 
>>> sharing a document created in Pages with someone who is a Microsoft Office 
>>> user, then you'll still need to export it to a Word document (.DOCX).  
>>> Pages is an Apple product, not a Microsoft product and thus I doubt that 
>>> this will ever change.  Office 365 is quite accessible on the Mac.  Others 
>>> may be able to 

AIFF file converter

[Bradford Snyder]

on is 
>>> deeper in the System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user.  I 
>>> can't remember for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System 
>>> Integrity Protection to do it.  After all this, it still didn't work.  The 
>>> tone choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did 
>>> not play.  I either got no sound at all, or it switched back to the default 
>>> alert sound.  Again, I'm not positive.  I gave up for now.
>>> 
>>> So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, 
>>> and not necessarily a successful venture.  Maybe I'll take a look at it 
>>> again in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, can you explain how to do this.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn >> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need 
>>> to be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF 
>>> files, but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days.
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

[Bradford Snyder]

So, can you explain how to do this.

- Brad -



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Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need to 
be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF files, 
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Re: Group wisdom on upgrading to Catalina?

[Bradford Snyder]

I did the upgrade to Catalina on both my Macs about 4 months ago, and have had 
no issues with either the OS or VoiceOver.  The Catalina OS seems pretty solid. 
 Unless you have 32-bit apps you can’t live without, I’d go ahead and do the 
upgrade.

- Brad -



On Mar 11, 2020, at 20:00, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

I’d upgrade. I did a few weeks ago and I love it. It’s much faster to me.

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I decided to just wait until the next os comes out this fall. from my past 
> experience I would say that it's likely to be a better version of Catalina. I 
> like Mojave just fine so I can wait.
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Now that I’m back on list I have a bit more confidence about upgrading. 
>> 
>> I’m wondering if the group feels like Catalina is now functioning well and 
>> worth upgrading or are many people sticking with a past OS?  I’m currently 
>> working in Mojave.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac

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I would be interested in the answer to this question as well.
I know that on Windows, there is a folder/directory where audio files can be 
placed so they can be used for various notifications such as for a new/incoming 
mail notifications alert sound.  On Windows, this location is: C:\Windows\Media.
Surely there is a similar way of doing this on a Mac.

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On Mar 11, 2020, at 14:35, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Hi  all,
I know I asked about this a while ago when I was still on Mojave, but I was 
hoping there might be an easier way now with Catalina? I have quite a few cool 
Star Trek alert tones on my iPhone that I use for incoming and outgoing emails 
and text messages. But the selection of alert tones on the Mac is very limited 
and I was wanting to use the same sounds that I use on my email app on the 
phone. I purchased all of my alert tones and ring tones through the iTunes 
Store. Someone told me a way that I could put the tones on to my Mac but it 
wasn’t easy and I got very confused. So I was hoping there might be an easy way 
now that I’m on Catalina. 
The standard  alert tones for the message app are all available, so there are 
more choices but it would still be nice to be able to use the ones that I 
purchased through the iTunes Store.
Thanks,
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Re: Word Processors recommendation

[Bradford Snyder]

Text Edit is a nice option but it is pretty basic.  I have also experienced 
issues with MS Word documents loosing certain types of formatting, such as 
numbering and other formatting options that are not supported by Text Edit.

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On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

I use Pages and TextEdit.  I forgot to mention TextEdit before.  It can open 
and save to Word, although you can't do as fancy of formatting as in Word or 
Pages.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:50, Eric Caron mailto:eric.caro...@gmail.com>> wrote:



> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim and others,
> 
>   My current computer only version of Microsoft Word application seems to 
> have some glitches.  The longer my documents are the more issues that seem to 
> crop up.  Mostly focus issues.
> 
> Pages being an Apple product, I’m hoping would be a better experience, but 
> then I have the export issues.
> 
> Microsoft 365 is unknown to me, but I’ve not found getting the exchange 
> account a easy process and am concerned I get the product to find it is 
> glitchy.
>  I’m reassured with the comment that it is accessible. 
> 
> I’d love to know what word processors Mac-Visionaries are using?  
> 
> I want to keep my documents simple and having a mix of Dox and Pages isn’t 
> appealing, however, Pages might be the more reliable package and worth the 
> extra steps when needed. 
> 
> Are there any special advantages to Microsoft 365 I might not know about?
> 
> So, what is the word processor my fellow Mac users on list rely on?
> 
> Eric Caron 
>   
> 
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Pages, Keynote and Numbers are all totally accessible.  If you plan on 
>> sharing a document created in Pages with someone who is a Microsoft Office 
>> user, then you'll still need to export it to a Word document (.DOCX).  Pages 
>> is an Apple product, not a Microsoft product and thus I doubt that this will 
>> ever change.  Office 365 is quite accessible on the Mac.  Others may be able 
>> to give you more specifics, but it is totally usable now from a VO 
>> prospective.  Pages is free, so deciding whether you wish to purchase a 
>> subscription to Office 365 vs using Apple's suite is your call.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:16, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Working on getting my Mac in a stronger working order.
>> 
>> I have not updated the operating system as my current Microsoft app is 34 
>> bit and I don’t have a clue where the registration info is.  I purchased my 
>> copy many years ago and had a difficult time getting it installed.  I 
>> accidentally selected the 34 bit version.
>> 
>> I understand if I move to the latest Mac operating system it will no longer 
>> work. 
>> 
>> So I’m considering Microsoft 365. 
>> 
>> What is the word processor of choice these days?
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, I’m wondering if Pages has improved over the years so. That I don’t 
>> need Microsoft work for Mac or Microsoft 365. 
>> 
>> What is the current state of Accessability for Microsoft and Pages? 
>> 
>> My concern is was of use and ability to share documents as a doc or similar 
>> file.  
>> It was frustrating to have to export in Pages every time I wanted to share a 
>> file with someone. 
>> 
>> Still my day to day work is almost all Mac now.
>> 
>> Before purchasing Microsoft 365 I thought I’d check in.  
>> Thoughts and tips appreciated!
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Re: Word Processors recommendation

[Bradford Snyder]

Hi Eric,

Pages, Numbers and Keynote are all very nice apps and are very accessible with 
VoiceOver, but the majority of the world uses MS Office, so unless you want to 
constantly swim upstream, MS Office is the way to go.
I have been using Office 365 on both my Macs for 5 years and have found it to e 
very accessible using VoiceOver.  Granted, I mostly use MS Word and have only 
used Excel infrequently.
The price for one computer is $6.99 per month or $69.99 per year.  I have 
several computers, so I go with the option that lets me use Office on up to 5 
computers for $9.99 per month or $99.99 per year.  You also get regular updates 
at no additional expense.

Like everything else, there will be lots of opinions on this, so it is up to 
you to decide what is the best option for your situation.

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim and others,
> 
>   My current computer only version of Microsoft Word application seems to 
> have some glitches.  The longer my documents are the more issues that seem to 
> crop up.  Mostly focus issues.
> 
> Pages being an Apple product, I’m hoping would be a better experience, but 
> then I have the export issues.
> 
> Microsoft 365 is unknown to me, but I’ve not found getting the exchange 
> account a easy process and am concerned I get the product to find it is 
> glitchy.
>  I’m reassured with the comment that it is accessible. 
> 
> I’d love to know what word processors Mac-Visionaries are using?  
> 
> I want to keep my documents simple and having a mix of Dox and Pages isn’t 
> appealing, however, Pages might be the more reliable package and worth the 
> extra steps when needed. 
> 
> Are there any special advantages to Microsoft 365 I might not know about?
> 
> So, what is the word processor my fellow Mac users on list rely on?
> 
> Eric Caron 
>   
> 
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Pages, Keynote and Numbers are all totally accessible.  If you plan on 
>> sharing a document created in Pages with someone who is a Microsoft Office 
>> user, then you'll still need to export it to a Word document (.DOCX).  Pages 
>> is an Apple product, not a Microsoft product and thus I doubt that this will 
>> ever change.  Office 365 is quite accessible on the Mac.  Others may be able 
>> to give you more specifics, but it is totally usable now from a VO 
>> prospective.  Pages is free, so deciding whether you wish to purchase a 
>> subscription to Office 365 vs using Apple's suite is your call.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:16, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Working on getting my Mac in a stronger working order.
>> 
>> I have not updated the operating system as my current Microsoft app is 34 
>> bit and I don’t have a clue where the registration info is.  I purchased my 
>> copy many years ago and had a difficult time getting it installed.  I 
>> accidentally selected the 34 bit version.
>> 
>> I understand if I move to the latest Mac operating system it will no longer 
>> work. 
>> 
>> So I’m considering Microsoft 365. 
>> 
>> What is the word processor of choice these days?
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, I’m wondering if Pages has improved over the years so. That I don’t 
>> need Microsoft work for Mac or Microsoft 365. 
>> 
>> What is the current state of Accessability for Microsoft and Pages? 
>> 
>> My concern is was of use and ability to share documents as a doc or similar 
>> file.  
>> It was frustrating to have to export in Pages every time I wanted to share a 
>> file with someone. 
>> 
>> Still my day to day work is almost all Mac now.
>> 
>> Before purchasing Microsoft 365 I thought I’d check in.  
>> Thoughts and tips appreciated!
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Re: No passcode sounds on Apple watch after latest update

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I have a Series 5 watch running watchOS 6.2.3, and I have no sound feedback 
whatsoever when entering a passcode.  Same was true on my Series 3 that I had 
until last month.
Like I said, this started with watchOS 6.x.

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On Mar 9, 2020, at 10:29, Greg Wocher  wrote:

Hello,
I am using the latest watch OS on my 3rd gen watch and I get audio feedback 
when entering my passcode. It is very feint compared to what it used to be but 
its there.

Greg Wocher


> On Mar 9, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes. My watch does the same thing.  I think it started doing this behavior 
> with watchOS 6.x.
> I’ve just learned to live with it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2020, at 07:47, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I have just updated my Apple watch 4th generation to the latest iOS 6.1.  Now 
> whenever I need to enter my passcode in order to unlock my watch, I receive 
> no sound feedback on doubletapping the numbers.  Can anyone reproduce this?  
> If yes, is this a bug?
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Re: No passcode sounds on Apple watch after latest update

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Yes. My watch does the same thing.  I think it started doing this behavior with 
watchOS 6.x.
I’ve just learned to live with it.

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Hi,

I have just updated my Apple watch 4th generation to the latest iOS 6.1.  Now 
whenever I need to enter my passcode in order to unlock my watch, I receive no 
sound feedback on doubletapping the numbers.  Can anyone reproduce this?  If 
yes, is this a bug?

Andrew

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Re: PDF reader for Mac?

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Have you tried using Preview?  Preview comes with the macOS, so you can find it 
in your Applications folder.  Check it out.

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On Jan 10, 2020, at 11:57, Matt Turner  wrote:

Hi folks.
Just wondered if there was a good pdf reader for the Mac?

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Re: How to change an incoming e-mail from going to Junk to going to Inbox in Mail

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That won’t do it.
When I first joined this list, all my incoming messages from the group were 
going to my Junk folder.  Nothing I did in the Apple Mail client fixed this.  
What I had to do, was login to my AT/Yahoo mail account, and through the web 
access, go in to my Junk folder, and select a mail item from the group, and 
mark it as “Not Junk”, and that fixed it.

HTH

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On Jan 7, 2020, at 23:17, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Maria,
Are you saying that simply by moving them out of my bulk folder and into my 
inbox
, that I will train my mail filtering?


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Re: 360 Mac Care? - uninstalling Flash Player

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Here you go:

HTH

Uninstall Flash Player | Mac OS
 <>These instructions are NOT applicable to Flash Player included with Google 
Chrome. Visit the Flash Player Help page 
 for instructions on enabling (or 
disabling) Flash Player in various browsers.

 <>
 <>Flash Player information

 <>If Flash Player is installed on your computer, the following box displays 
the version of Flash Player and your operating system. If Flash Player is not 
installed, an error message appears.

 <>Flash Player installation failed

 <>If your Flash Player installation was not successful, use the following 
solution to reinstall.

 <>Solution: Download and run the uninstaller

 <>
 <>
 <>
 <>1. Determine your Mac OS version 

 <>Click the Apple icon and choose About This Mac.

The Mac OS version appears in the About This Mac dialog.


 <>2. Run the uninstaller applicable to your Mac OS version

 <>Run the uninstaller on Mac OS X 10.4 and later, including macOS
Run the uninstaller on Mac OS X 10.1 to 10.3
Note:

Beginning with Flash Player 11.5, uninstalling the Flash Player resets the 
AutoUpdateDisable and SilentAutoUpdateEnable settings in mms.cfg to their 
default values:

AutoUpdateDisable=0
SilentAutoUpdateEnable=0
If you are running the Flash Player uninstaller as part of your deployment 
process, redeploy any custom changes to either AutoUpdateDisable or 
SilentAutoUpdateEnable.

 <>Run the uninstaller on Mac OS X 10.4 and later, including macOS

 <>In Safari, choose Window > Downloads.

If you are using Mac OS X 10.7 (Lion), click the Downloads icon displayed on 
the browser.

 <>In Mozilla, choose Tools > Downloads.

 <>To open the uninstaller, double-click it in the Downloads window.

 <>Note: If the Flash Player installer window does not appear, choose Go > 
Desktop in the Finder. Scroll down to the Devices section and click Uninstall 
Flash Player.

 <>To run the uninstaller, double-click the Uninstaller icon in the window. If 
you see a message asking if you want to open the uninstaller file, click Open.

 <>When the uninstaller starts, click Uninstall.
 <>Bookmark or print this page so that you can use the rest of these 
instructions after you close your browser.
 <>To close all browsers, either click the browser name in the Uninstaller 
dialog, or close each browser manually and then click Retry.

Note: Do not click Quit in the Uninstaller window. It stops the uninstallation 
process.

 <>After you close the browsers, the uninstaller continues automatically until 
the uninstallation is complete. When you see the message notifying you that the 
uninstallation succeeded, click Done.


 <>Delete the following directories:

/Library/Preferences/Macromedia/Flash\ Player
/Library/Caches/Adobe/Flash\ Player
 <>Verify that uninstallation is complete.
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requested, enter your computer user name and password and click OK.

 <>When the uninstaller starts, click Continue. 

 <> Bookmark or print this page so that you can use the rest of these 
instructions after you close your browser. Close all browsers and other 
applications that use Flash Player, including instant messaging applications, 
SWF files, and projectors (EXE files that play SWF files). Otherwise, the 
uninstaller cannot finish (even though it appears to finish).

 <>Once the uninstaller finishes, the window closes automatically.

 <>Verify that uninstallation is complete.

 <>
 <>3. Verify that uninstallation is complete

 <>You can verify that uninstallation is complete by following these steps:

 <>




On Jan 6, 2020, at 06:55, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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How can you get the flash player to go completely away?

Kristeen


On Jan 2, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Just my opinion, but I would be Leary of anything that just “pops up” on my 
computer.  I would also advise that you stop using Flash Player because it is 
widely known to be a security risk, and no longer necessary on a Mac.

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On Jan 2, 2020, at 14:44, CHUCK REICHEL mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi List,
This app popped up on my mac book air after updating flash player under Mojave.
360 Mac Care helps you Speed Up Your Mac and Make it Secure. It aims to provide 
users a great experience for an Optimized Mac and optimal use of resources.
Heres one of the things it listed;
360 Mac Care has found junk and unwanted items on your mac that can be safely 
deleted.
360 Mac Care"” is from this company • Wise Tech Labs Private Limited, All 
rights reserved.
Any body using this and is it safe and efficient?
Thanks
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert 

Re: speaking rate for vo on a Mac

[Bradford Snyder]

BTW - After pressing VO + COMMAND + SHIFT, you may need to use the Right or 
Left arrow keys to select Rate, before using the Up or Down arrow keys to 
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On Jan 7, 2020, at 19:31, Bradford Snyder  wrote:

To change the VoiceOver speech rate, use the following keyboard command:
VO + COMMAND + SHIFT + Up or Down Arrow.

HTH

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On Jan 7, 2020, at 19:20, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I want to slow Alex down so I can play an article for a friend who doesn't have 
a computer. what's the keystroke for that?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: speaking rate for vo on a Mac

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To change the VoiceOver speech rate, use the following keyboard command:
VO + COMMAND + SHIFT + Up or Down Arrow.

HTH

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I want to slow Alex down so I can play an article for a friend who doesn't have 
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thanks.
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Re: Not for the faint hearted

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I don’t believe this is true.
I have set-up rules in the Mail App on my desktop Mac mini, and these rules 
show up on my MacBook Air.
Then when I got my new MacBook Pro in August, the same rules showed up on that 
machine too.

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  Yes but rules set locally will not be applied to other devices.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 12/24/2019 4:35 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> What global rule were you needing? Is it not possible to add rules to the 
> mail app on the Mac itself?
> Dave Carlson
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