Re: Adding Contacts

[Herbie Allen]

I cannot duplicate this. Do you get the expected fields on your Mac?

> On Mar 16, 2023, at 10:17, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi folks,
>   On the iPhone, when I select a list to add to, then click the Add Contacts 
> button, I don't get the expected screen with the text fields. Did I miss a 
> step? Thanks.
> 
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Re: Change AppleID in IOS 16.3.1

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Do a complete reset and then they can sign in from the welcome screen.

> On Mar 19, 2023, at 12:40, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I have an iPhone 8 running IOS 16.3.1 which is currently associated with my 
> AppleID. It is my backup iPhone for use if my iPhone SE 2020 stops working. I 
> now plan to loan my iPhone 8 to a relative, who is visiting from France, for 
> a few months. I thus want to change the AppleID for this phone from my 
> AppleID to my relative’s AppleID. Alas I cannot figure out how to do this.  
> I recall that in the past I could sign out from one AppleID and then sign on 
> to a different AppleID but this does not seem possible in IOS 16.3.1.
> Note that I have iCloud Drive associated with my own AppleID and I use that 
> to share files between my iMac and my iPhone SE 2020. I also used to share 
> the iCloud Drive with my iPhone 8.
> Many thanks for any help.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: a difficult website

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I’m thinking this is an accessibility issue. I tried it on Safari and Chrome 
and it did not work. I got as far as you did.

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 20:45, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I’m trying to work with the 2 week archives of:
> “wdcb.org ”
> I can navigate to the 2 week archive. choosing the day I want is a little 
> dicey. in this case I was trying for Tuesday March 14. when I got there 
> nothing I did seemed to put me in it. I could get to the show I wanted: “Folk 
> Festival” from 8 to 11 but the only play button that worked was the one for 
> now playing. I’d like to know if there’s something I don’t understand about 
> this site or if it’s just inaccessible. apparently the shows are tabs and I 
> don’t know how to move by tabs if there is a way. if anybody feels like going 
> up there and having a look around, I’d appreciate it. I tried it with Safari 
> and Firefox.
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Anyone know if the Clubhouse app is accessible?

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Yes, but it can be cluttered. I prefer Clubdeck because everything is divided 
into headings, links, and buttons. I heavily use the Web Roter since I can find 
exactly what I want without all that flicking.

> On Mar 14, 2023, at 16:20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, Herbie.  Just curious, is the iPhone app accessible?  Since it’s 
> audio only, it seems like it ought to be.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> If you have an M1 Mac, you can try running the iPad app, but you might find 
>> Clubdeck easier. http://clubdeck.app
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2023, at 15:16, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I may have a need to use the Clubhouse app in the not too distant future.  
>>> Anyone know if it’s accessible on the Mac?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Accessible password managers

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>From a completely VO prospective, I don’t find much change in things like web 
>pages and apps in general. That is unfortunate they are ot working in Braille, 
>but that has always been buggy with the mac.

> On Mar 14, 2023, at 14:13, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Its not only apps that has gone worse.
> Webpages has been harder to use to.
> I have to just take things quite slow now a days to understand how a page 
> works.
> Especially with braille.
> And Ventura is absolutely not very good when using braille.
> /A
> 
>> 14 mars 2023 kl. 00:01 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> I sadly echo your sentiment.  I’m trying to communicate with developers but 
>> I find that i spend most of my time managing technology, which in the end 
>> makes me so sick.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 13 Mar 2023, at 22:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andrew,
>>>  I hear you. Its frustrating.But I am finding that more and more apps are 
>>> becoming less easy to use. Same with macOS which was simpler before 
>>> Ventura. The UI interface is changing and that may be why. I need to sit 
>>> down and focus on some apps like 1Passwird and take notes then send as 
>>> feedback. Sometimes I yearn for the "good ol' days" when life was simpler. 
>>> :)
>>> 
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>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
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>>> 
>>> On 3/13/2023 3:00 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Hi E.T.
 Yes, I have sent them feedback, waiting for their response.  whilst I used 
 to love it, I’m beginning to worry they’re neglecting the accessibility 
 due to the usual competition pressure & the need to see themselves 
 implementing new features that actually put us visually impaired ppl at a 
 disadvantage.  I’ve been very patient I feel but recently I seem to be 
 spending hours trying to achieve what a sighted person could achieve in 
 seconds.  This is just not good enough.
 Andrew
> On 13 Mar 2023, at 00:28, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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>   I don't disagree but I think the 1Password app provides many benefits 
> aside from storing passwords. Send them feedback.
> 
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> 
> 
> On 3/12/2023 2:27 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I’m wondering what other password managers besides 1password people find 
>> easily accessible on Mac, iOS & Android/windows?  I’ve been using 
>> 1password for many years but following their continuous development - as 
>> is often the case - I’m finding their app more and more difficult to use.
>> Andrew
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Re: Anyone know if the Clubhouse app is accessible?

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If you have an M1 Mac, you can try running the iPad app, but you might find 
Clubdeck easier. http://clubdeck.app

> On Mar 14, 2023, at 15:16, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I may have a need to use the Clubhouse app in the not too distant future.  
> Anyone know if it’s accessible on the Mac?
> TIA,
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Re: Dropbox media files mess

[Herbie Allen]

I would just delete the app and then get the new installer. If you want to log 
out first you can just to be safe. I would do a clean install rather than an 
override.

> On Mar 11, 2023, at 15:51, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> No Herbie, I haven’t reinstalled Dropbox  on the Mac,, mostly because the 
> Dropbox iOS app works perfectly well, and I can access all my stuff. It’s 
> only when I try to use local apps on my Mac that I get weird results. I’m 
> thinking of just sticking with Dropbox, I just don’t have the energy or the 
> interest to try to debug an OS X problem. I did do a thorough first a check 
> on the Macintosh HD volume from within recovery mode, but haven’t checked out 
> to see whether that’s made a difference.
> 
> How would I do that by the way, go to dropbox.com and get a new installer, 
> and then just open the installer package locally and let it overwrite the old 
> dropbox? What I need to log out first etc.? Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> This sounds like an extension of the issues you are already experiencing. 
>> Something is not sinking correctly in Dropbox. Have you tried reinstalling 
>> Dropbox? 
>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2023, at 11:44, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I planned to cancel my dropbox subscription and made a copy of everything 
>>> in dropbox and place it in iCloud. It totals less than 30gb. But, media 
>>> files like mp3, m4a, etc are problematic. Trying to open any media file in 
>>> either iCloud or the local dropbox folders is most likely to result in an 
>>> error message or just unable to open it. Its really hit or miss as some 
>>> files will open, others will not. However, everything opens and plays 
>>> perfectly well using the IOS dropbox app. I've come to believe that it is 
>>> not dropbox' fault, but that something is really screwed up on my side.
>>> I've never done a clean upgrade or install of the various OSX updates and I 
>>> thing that maybe my file associations are a bit messed up. That's all I can 
>>> figure.
>>> So, I either go back to Dropbox with tail between my legs and pay the 
>>> renewal subscription, or I pull my hair out trying to fix this media file 
>>> mess.
>>> Any thoughts, feelings, admonitions, suggestions, quick fixes, etc?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Dropbox media files mess

[Herbie Allen]

This sounds like an extension of the issues you are already experiencing. 
Something is not sinking correctly in Dropbox. Have you tried reinstalling 
Dropbox? 

> On Mar 11, 2023, at 11:44, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I planned to cancel my dropbox subscription and made a copy of everything in 
> dropbox and place it in iCloud. It totals less than 30gb. But, media files 
> like mp3, m4a, etc are problematic. Trying to open any media file in either 
> iCloud or the local dropbox folders is most likely to result in an error 
> message or just unable to open it. Its really hit or miss as some files will 
> open, others will not. However, everything opens and plays perfectly well 
> using the IOS dropbox app. I've come to believe that it is not dropbox' 
> fault, but that something is really screwed up on my side.
> I've never done a clean upgrade or install of the various OSX updates and I 
> thing that maybe my file associations are a bit messed up. That's all I can 
> figure.
> So, I either go back to Dropbox with tail between my legs and pay the renewal 
> subscription, or I pull my hair out trying to fix this media file mess.
> Any thoughts, feelings, admonitions, suggestions, quick fixes, etc?
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Rs games help

[Herbie Allen]

You can adjust the sound volume in the game with the function keys. I think 
it’s f3 and f4 for the Musi. F5 and f6 for the sounds.

> On Mar 10, 2023, at 15:17, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Ok, I’ve for the most part, managed to fix the volume, all though, the volume 
> for the game’s sounds is still vary loud, but there may not be anything that 
> can be done to change that.  However, even after changing the speech rate to 
> 50%, that still seems to have done nothing.  I accidentally managed to slow 
> it way down not knowing that in the game itself, you could change it on the 
> fly with command+left arrow, and naturally thought command+right arrow would 
> speed it back up, but it’s just sitting there and not budging.
>  So now it’s crawling at 110%, and just staying there, which is a rate I’d 
> never purposely set it at.
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you will find a volume control further down.
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2023, at 14:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would the same apply to its volume control? I’ve noticed it always being 
>>> maxed, and the command I’m supposed to be able to use to adjust it never 
>>> does anything.
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 10, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If you are talking about the Mac, you have to adjust the rate of the 
>>>> system voice. 
>>>> You will find it under System Settings, Accessibility, and Spoken Content.
>>>>> On Mar 10, 2023, at 13:04, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all, please help me fix the speech rate on RS games. It is painfully 
>>>>> slow. I cannot get the rate past 10. Below 10 is these large numbers, 
>>>>> like 65000, or something.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I even tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but that changed nothing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope someone knows how to fix this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Traci 
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Re: Rs games help

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, you will find a volume control further down.

> On Mar 10, 2023, at 14:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Would the same apply to its volume control? I’ve noticed it always being 
> maxed, and the command I’m supposed to be able to use to adjust it never does 
> anything.
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> If you are talking about the Mac, you have to adjust the rate of the system 
>> voice. 
>> You will find it under System Settings, Accessibility, and Spoken Content.
>>> On Mar 10, 2023, at 13:04, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, please help me fix the speech rate on RS games. It is painfully 
>>> slow. I cannot get the rate past 10. Below 10 is these large numbers, like 
>>> 65000, or something.
>>> 
>>> I even tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but that changed nothing.
>>> 
>>> Hope someone knows how to fix this.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci 
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Re: Rs games help

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If you are talking about the Mac, you have to adjust the rate of the system 
voice. 
You will find it under System Settings, Accessibility, and Spoken Content.
> On Mar 10, 2023, at 13:04, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> I cannot get the rate past 10. Below 10 is these large numbers, like 65000, 
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> 
> I even tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but that changed nothing.
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> Hope someone knows how to fix this.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Dropbox syncing issues

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I have not had this issue, but I wonder if the folder fully downloaded? Do you 
keep the app running on the Mac? Also, what happens if you access the folder by 
going to the Dropbox app in the Apps folder?

> On Mar 9, 2023, at 08:28, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> OK, I re-synced several folders from dropbox.com back down onto my max hard 
> drive. I am able to access the contents of these files if I use the dropbox 
> iOS app, but if I use the max file browser and try to open them, I can’t get 
> them to open. I have tried opening them with a different apps, etc., but I 
> keep getting incompatibility messages and the lake. Anybody else ever 
> experienced this? I know I have had this problem in the past and forgot what 
> my fix was.
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Re: Safari Extensions and passwords

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One thing you can try before installing any add blockers is Reder Mode with 
Command Shift R. I find it works really well! I would be Leary of anything that 
can read your passwords.

> On Mar 8, 2023, at 11:02, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, I’ve been looking at Safari extensions this morning and notice that 
> most of them say they can read passwords and credit card information. This 
> doesn’t sound safe to me. I wanted to install an ad blocker and rss reader 
> extension.
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> What is your advice on these privacy settings?
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Re: Ditching dropbox for iCloud Drive

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You can put any files or folders in the drive and they will sink. You are not 
limited to the pre-defined ones.

> On Mar 6, 2023, at 20:07, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> My dropbox subscription is coming up for renewal and I'm thinking about 
> cancelling and just going with iCloud drive storage. I have less than 
> 30Gigabyte of files that I want to keep and that'll cost me .99 cents instead 
> of $10 per month for fropbox's 2 terabyte.
> 
> Question: I see a handful of preloaded folders in my iCloud drive but can I 
> just throw files into it as desired just like I would with Dropbox? or, is 
> iCloud drive regulated somehow and only for application folders?
> I hope I am making sense with this question. I'd just like to know I can use 
> iCloud drive in the same way as I do dropbox before going ahead with the 
> switch.
> 
> And, how is the files app involved with iCloud drive? is that the interface 
> for iCloud on ios?
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Re: Attachment in Threaded Messages?

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Rather than open the thread, swipe down to expand. Double Tap. Swipe right and 
you will see each individual message. find the one with the attachment and 
double tap to open. When you want to close the thread, go to the beginning of 
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> I have iPhone12 with OS16.3.
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> How can I find the message with attachment or how can I access the attachment 
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Re: Reading Fractions

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If nothing else, I don’t know why it could not be done in the VO Dictionary. 
Should b easy enough to tell it to read 1/2 as One Half.

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Re: Excel on the Mac Question

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This is not possible with the Mac unfortunately..

> On Feb 26, 2023, at 23:16, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Hello,
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> Using Excel on the Mac. How do I set the row and column so that they speak as 
> I go through the spreadsheet? I want the leftmost column to speak as I move 
> up/down rows, and the topmost row to speak as I move left/right through the 
> columns. 
> 
> It was simple with JAWS and Excel, but don’t know how on the Mac version.
> 
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Re: copy link

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Do a Command V in the Address bar of the Browser.

> On Feb 25, 2023, at 13:36, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> sometimes I want to copy a link that’s in my email and paste it into a 
> browser other than my primary one. I press vo-shift-m for the context menu 
> and arrow down to “copy link.” I’ve tried both vo-space and enter at 
> different times to activate it. when I go to paste it into the address bar of 
> the browser, nothing is there. is there something else I need to know about 
> this? I’ve copied a link character by character but that’s tedious and I’d 
> like to be able to copy it all at once.
> 
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Re: Alaska Airlines on Safari

[Herbie Allen]

Interesting, when I click on the button, it just opens the flight details to 
the right of all the buttons.

> On Feb 24, 2023, at 18:37, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi, I can read the buttons for the days and prices. Once I click on one, the 
> results appear to be in a table. There should be several flight options 
> throughout that day.
> 
> It works better on my iPad mini via the Alaska app. I’d like to do my 
> searching on my Mac. :)
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> I just took a look and did not have your issues. The trickiest part was the 
>> finding airports but I could see the buttons for various days and the price.
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 17:15, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, you don’t need an account. I’m searching for possible flights.
>>> 
>>> Do you mean Chrome on Mac?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 1:20 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Chrome can sometimes be better at these things. Are they results that 
>>>> anyone can look at or do you have to have an account?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 15:17, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello traci 
>>>>> U know this is not what you want to hear, but have you tried on chrome?
>>>>> U usually find chrome or ios better than safari.
>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:10 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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>>>>>> Hi all, I have a heck of a time with Alaska Air on Safari. Safari often 
>>>>>> doesn’t respond, and I cannot figure out how to navigate flight results.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any accessibility tips for navigating their site?
>>>>>> 
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Re: Alaska Airlines on Safari

[Herbie Allen]

I just took a look and did not have your issues. The trickiest part was the 
finding airports but I could see the buttons for various days and the price.

> On Feb 24, 2023, at 17:15, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi, you don’t need an account. I’m searching for possible flights.
> 
> Do you mean Chrome on Mac?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 1:20 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Chrome can sometimes be better at these things. Are they results that anyone 
>> can look at or do you have to have an account?
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 15:17, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello traci 
>>> U know this is not what you want to hear, but have you tried on chrome?
>>> U usually find chrome or ios better than safari.
>>> Kind regards.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:10 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I have a heck of a time with Alaska Air on Safari. Safari often 
>>>> doesn’t respond, and I cannot figure out how to navigate flight results.
>>>> 
>>>> Any accessibility tips for navigating their site?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
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Re: Alaska Airlines on Safari

[Herbie Allen]

Chrome can sometimes be better at these things. Are they results that anyone 
can look at or do you have to have an account?

> On Feb 24, 2023, at 15:17, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello traci 
> U know this is not what you want to hear, but have you tried on chrome?
> U usually find chrome or ios better than safari.
> Kind regards.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:10 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I have a heck of a time with Alaska Air on Safari. Safari often 
>> doesn’t respond, and I cannot figure out how to navigate flight results.
>> 
>> Any accessibility tips for navigating their site?
>> 
>> Thank you,
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Re: Mute speech

[Herbie Allen]

I did forget to mention that little detail.

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 14:56, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I know that Herbie meant to point out, that to do the 3-finger triple tap 
> gesture, to  mute/unmute speech, you must first enable the Trackpad 
> Commander, using the  VO modifier and the clockwise rotor gesture.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 13:46, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> If you have a Track pad, you can also do a three finger Tripple tap like on 
> the iPhone.
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 13:44, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
>> voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press 
>> command 8 to jump to commanders. 
>> Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
>> Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
>> Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
>> I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
>> Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on 
>> it. 
>> Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
>>  and then press the right arrow to open it. 
>> Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> Hello, 
>>> Does anyone know the keyboard command to mute/unmute speech within 
>>> voiceover utility? 
>>> Thanks,
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Re: Mute speech

[Herbie Allen]

If you have a Track pad, you can also do a three finger Tripple tap like on the 
iPhone.

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 13:44, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
> voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press 
> command 8 to jump to commanders. 
> Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
> Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
> Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
> I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
> Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on 
> it. 
> Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
>  and then press the right arrow to open it. 
> Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Barbara Hollick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> Does anyone know the keyboard command to mute/unmute speech within voiceover 
>> utility? 
>> Thanks,
>> Barb
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Re: iCloud Agreement

[Herbie Allen]

I you tried things like routing the Mouse to the VO Cursor.

> On Feb 22, 2023, at 13:25, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   I tried dealing with this again to no avail. This agreement was published 
> on 1/23/2023. I have dealt with similar actions many times. Tick the checkbox 
> then press the agree button. Yesterday I think I head "server error" one time.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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> On 2/22/2023 11:18 AM, matthew dyer wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I don’t recall what I did to get this working, but I do remember seeing this 
>> a couple oof weeks ago.
>> Matthew
>>> On Feb 21, 2023, at 9:07 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Anyone getting this that requires you to agree to it? I cannot seem to 
>>> get it to work no matter how many times to tick the check box and hot the 
>>> Agree button. Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Identifying a Contact as VIP

[Herbie Allen]

Go to the mailbox list and look for VIP. From there, you will be prompted to 
add people to your list from contacts.

> On Feb 21, 2023, at 05:12, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> Way back when, I managed to assign my two nieces “VIP” status.  But I can’t 
> recall how I did that.  There a couple other contacts I would likewise to 
> assign as VIP.  Can anyone offer any suggestions as how this can be done?
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "I can't change the direction of the wind, but"
> - "I can adjust my sails to always reach my destination."
> - Jimmy Dean
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Re: Mac os

[Herbie Allen]

A 2011 Mac would be upgradable, but later models around the 2014 forward were 
constructed differently. We have a 2012 Mac that was upgraded to 16 Gigs Ram, 
but there is no way I could upgrade my 2019 Mac. It’s decisions like this on 
Apples part along with many others that have fueled the right to repare 
arguments. However, something else, Lori, had already excepted our answers and 
sounds like had moved on for now. I shouldn’t get involved like this, but I 
feel like your email could be construed as an attack and wanting to start 
something that shouldn’t be started. Yes, by writing this I’m just as guilty I 
admit, but I think it needed to be said.

> On Feb 19, 2023, at 17:37, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> brad,
> Do you work for apple?
> I have an associate here in  Toronto working with the centre for social 
> innovation.
> They currently run an entire commerce company with a 2011 mac machine..and 
> they are not  using voiceover.
> If indeed a door to a new machine opens up, that will be marvelous.
> However, with all due respect, I would be doubtful that an upgrade is not 
> possible when it is for units far older.
> The best path forward is the one that lets her make uninformed decision from 
> a variety of sources.
> as Donna has noted before, you can be a touch heavy handed with the 
> condescension.
> Perhaps learning the two magic words "speaking personally," might be helpful?
> best,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2023, Bradford Snyder wrote:
> 
>> I believe Lori has a 2014 Mac mini.  I do not believe the RAM or storage can 
>> be upgraded on that model.
>> Getting a new M2 Mac mini would be her best option, and a big leap forward 
>> in performance for her.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 22:51, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Where it can get tricky is that not all Apple Stores are able to handle 
>> Macs. The new machine would definitely be your best bet. If you do end up 
>> upgrading your machine, you will probably have to buy the Ram from Crucial 
>> and then someone can install it for you. Bestbuy is also an option.
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 22:32, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you call my-apple, part of what they can do is set up a genus session 
>>> with  your local apple store.  Of course you can talk to them apple has a 
>>> major  customer service hub in Austin Texas.
>>> Still, if you anticipate a new machine soon, perhaps waiting makes more 
>>> sense in general.  Unless the memory factors are so frustrating they impact 
>>>  getting things done.
>>> In that case improving the value of your current machine for sale or 
>>> whatever would make the memory factor worth considering.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>> 
>>>> we have an actual Apple store here in Fort Worth, Tx. I don’t think you 
>>>> can just call and talk to somebody though. within the next few months it 
>>>> appears I might have the opportunity to get a new Mac mini. if that chance 
>>>> comes up I’m not going to waste it that’s for sure.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 8:02 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Speaking personally?
>>>>> It depends on where you are in the world, but I would first call 1-800-my 
>>>>> apple.
>>>>> I would speak to support, share our apple id so they can know more 
>>>>> details and ask for my options.
>>>>> Then perhaps report that here.
>>>>> There are often loads of ways to upgrade a mac, or that used to be the 
>>>>> case,  older machines can sometimes have an advantage.
>>>>> cost may depend on things like warranty, but as an example in Toronto we 
>>>>> have a store called simply mac that specializes on apple computers, have 
>>>>> been here since the 1990's.
>>>>> sometimes they do the upgrades for the experience, or connect you with 
>>>>> free geeks who do it as well.
>>>>> Still, speaking personally, I would start with getting answers from apple 
>>>>> directly, just my thoughts of course.
>>>>> Karen
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> no. I just didn’t think of it. how do I do that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 6:00 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>>>> wrote:
&

Re: Mac os

[Herbie Allen]

Where it can get tricky is that not all Apple Stores are able to handle Macs. 
The new machine would definitely be your best bet. If you do end up upgrading 
your machine, you will probably have to buy the Ram from Crucial and then 
someone can install it for you. Bestbuy is also an option.

> On Feb 18, 2023, at 22:32, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> If you call my-apple, part of what they can do is set up a genus session with 
>  your local apple store.  Of course you can talk to them apple has a major  
> customer service hub in Austin Texas.
> Still, if you anticipate a new machine soon, perhaps waiting makes more sense 
> in general.  Unless the memory factors are so frustrating they impact  
> getting things done.
> In that case improving the value of your current machine for sale or whatever 
> would make the memory factor worth considering.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> 
>> we have an actual Apple store here in Fort Worth, Tx. I don’t think you can 
>> just call and talk to somebody though. within the next few months it appears 
>> I might have the opportunity to get a new Mac mini. if that chance comes up 
>> I’m not going to waste it that’s for sure.
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 8:02 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Speaking personally?
>>> It depends on where you are in the world, but I would first call 1-800-my 
>>> apple.
>>> I would speak to support, share our apple id so they can know more details 
>>> and ask for my options.
>>> Then perhaps report that here.
>>> There are often loads of ways to upgrade a mac, or that used to be the 
>>> case,  older machines can sometimes have an advantage.
>>> cost may depend on things like warranty, but as an example in Toronto we 
>>> have a store called simply mac that specializes on apple computers, have 
>>> been here since the 1990's.
>>> sometimes they do the upgrades for the experience, or connect you with free 
>>> geeks who do it as well.
>>> Still, speaking personally, I would start with getting answers from apple 
>>> directly, just my thoughts of course.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>> 
>>>> no. I just didn’t think of it. how do I do that?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 6:00 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you in a position to increase the memory?  may even help with 
>>>>> Catalina.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks. I appreciate that very much.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Herbie Allen  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, my opinion is not to try Big Sur given the 8 GB of Ram.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 13:36, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ok. tell me if I have the right info.
>>>>>>>> Processor 2.6 ghz dual-core Intel I5
>>>>>>>> memory: 8 gb 1600 mhz ddr3
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 8:15 PM, Herbie Allen  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How much Ram and Hard Drive Space. Yes, that is in the About my Mac.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 18:32, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> tell me exactly what you’re looking for and where to find it. I 
>>>>>>>>>> assume it might be in “about this Mac” but I don’t know which items 
>>>>>>>>>> constitute the specs.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Herbie Allen  
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> What are the specs for that Mac?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 17:00, Lorie McCloud  
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m running Catalina on my old Mac Mini. I had to roll back to 

Re: An announcement about an upcoming Mac Training course

[Herbie Allen]

Yes. The course has a focus on methods of navigation as well as understandning 
how the mac works.

> On Feb 18, 2023, at 20:53, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Would this be useful for someone who can use all these applications, but was 
> never formally introduced to the Mac?
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
> 
> Https://devinprater.micro.blog
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2023, at 8:27 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> iBUG Today is pleased to announce that we will be offering a 12-week Mac 
>> course beginning Tuesday, March 7, 2023. Sessions take place every Tuesday 
>> evening on Zoom from 7:00 to 8:15 PM Central Time. There is also a review 
>> session every Thursday from 5:30 to 6:30 Central time.
>> 
>> The course requirements and topics are listed below.
>> 1. Participate in all classes with no more than one absence.
>> 2. Attend at least half of all study sessions.
>> 3. Complete homework assignments, which include reading, Mac practice, and 
>> providing oral answers to some of the focus questions from each lesson.
>> 4. Attend the monthly iBUG Mac-N-Talk conference call. Three are included in 
>> this course.
>> 5. Must be able to follow classroom instruction consisting of lecture and 
>> live demonstrations.
>> 6. All course sessions are conducted in a group format; one-on-one training 
>> will not be provided.
>> 7. Basic knowledge of Windows, iOS, and/or other operating systems may be 
>> useful as a reference point but is not required.
>> 8. The course will be most beneficial for students who have Macs newer than 
>> 2017 that are compatible with macOS 13 Ventura.
>> 
>> All sessions will be conducted via Zoom remote conferencing, a free 
>> application available for both computer and phone that may be found at 
>> http://zoom.us and in the iOS and Android app stores.
>> 
>> Lecture recordings will be made available to review class material between 
>> sessions. The recorded sessions may also be posted to the iBUG Today website 
>> and social media for use by interested individuals who are not otherwise 
>> able to take the course. Please do not sign up if you are uncomfortable 
>> being recorded.
>> 
>> During the class, you will be part of an email list for the receiving of 
>> announcements and discussion of course material.
>> 
>> Topics
>> March 7: Getting Started with the Mac Part 1: VoiceOver Basics and Mac Layout
>> March 14: Getting Started with the Mac Part 2: Accessibility Settings and 
>> VoiceOver Utility
>> March 21: Siri, Dictation, and System Settings
>> March 28: Mac-N-Talk
>> April 4: Finder
>> April 11: Safari Part 1
>> April 18: Safari Part 2
>> April 25: Mac-N-Talk
>> May 2: TextEdit
>> May 9: Mail Part 1
>> May 16: Mail Part 2
>> May 23: Mac-N-Talk
>> 
>> If you are interested in enrolling, please complete the course application 
>> at 
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc-bXX_38CWIS7sUY0nC_7IDAqUfAXKb9LG4jt4ihQd6lPT1A/viewform?usp=sf_link.
>>  Please direct course inquiries to the iBUG Today team at 
>> mactraining.ibugto...@gmail.com. The RSVP deadline is Tuesday, February 28 
>> 2023.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> The iBUG Today Team
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An announcement about an upcoming Mac Training course

[Herbie Allen]

iBUG Today is pleased to announce that we will be offering a 12-week Mac course 
beginning Tuesday, March 7, 2023. Sessions take place every Tuesday evening on 
Zoom from 7:00 to 8:15 PM Central Time. There is also a review session every 
Thursday from 5:30 to 6:30 Central time.

The course requirements and topics are listed below.
1. Participate in all classes with no more than one absence.
2. Attend at least half of all study sessions.
3. Complete homework assignments, which include reading, Mac practice, and 
providing oral answers to some of the focus questions from each lesson.
4. Attend the monthly iBUG Mac-N-Talk conference call. Three are included in 
this course.
5. Must be able to follow classroom instruction consisting of lecture and live 
demonstrations.
6. All course sessions are conducted in a group format; one-on-one training 
will not be provided.
7. Basic knowledge of Windows, iOS, and/or other operating systems may be 
useful as a reference point but is not required.
8. The course will be most beneficial for students who have Macs newer than 
2017 that are compatible with macOS 13 Ventura.

All sessions will be conducted via Zoom remote conferencing, a free application 
available for both computer and phone that may be found at http://zoom.us and 
in the iOS and Android app stores.

Lecture recordings will be made available to review class material between 
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During the class, you will be part of an email list for the receiving of 
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Topics
March 7: Getting Started with the Mac Part 1: VoiceOver Basics and Mac Layout
March 14: Getting Started with the Mac Part 2: Accessibility Settings and 
VoiceOver Utility
March 21: Siri, Dictation, and System Settings
March 28: Mac-N-Talk
April 4: Finder
April 11: Safari Part 1
April 18: Safari Part 2
April 25: Mac-N-Talk
May 2: TextEdit
May 9: Mail Part 1
May 16: Mail Part 2
May 23: Mac-N-Talk

If you are interested in enrolling, please complete the course application at 
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Re: Mac os

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, my opinion is not to try Big Sur given the 8 GB of Ram.

> On Feb 18, 2023, at 13:36, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok. tell me if I have the right info.
> Processor 2.6 ghz dual-core Intel I5 
> memory: 8 gb 1600 mhz ddr3
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 8:15 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> How much Ram and Hard Drive Space. Yes, that is in the About my Mac.
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 18:32, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> tell me exactly what you’re looking for and where to find it. I assume it 
>>> might be in “about this Mac” but I don’t know which items constitute the 
>>> specs.
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What are the specs for that Mac?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 17:00, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m running Catalina on my old Mac Mini. I had to roll back to it. lately 
>>>>> I’ve been considering going up to Big Sur. I never ran that one so I have 
>>>>> no idea how my Mac would handle it. Monterey was too much for it. does 
>>>>> anybody have experience with Big Sur on their old Mac? do you have any 
>>>>> suggestions or advice for me. maybe I should leave well enough alone. 
>>>>> suggestions and advice welcome.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> Lorie
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Re: Mac os

[Herbie Allen]

How much Ram and Hard Drive Space. Yes, that is in the About my Mac.

> On Feb 17, 2023, at 18:32, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> tell me exactly what you’re looking for and where to find it. I assume it 
> might be in “about this Mac” but I don’t know which items constitute the 
> specs.
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> What are the specs for that Mac?
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 17:00, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m running Catalina on my old Mac Mini. I had to roll back to it. lately 
>>> I’ve been considering going up to Big Sur. I never ran that one so I have 
>>> no idea how my Mac would handle it. Monterey was too much for it. does 
>>> anybody have experience with Big Sur on their old Mac? do you have any 
>>> suggestions or advice for me. maybe I should leave well enough alone. 
>>> suggestions and advice welcome.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Mac os

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What are the specs for that Mac?

> On Feb 17, 2023, at 17:00, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I’m running Catalina on my old Mac Mini. I had to roll back to it. lately 
> I’ve been considering going up to Big Sur. I never ran that one so I have no 
> idea how my Mac would handle it. Monterey was too much for it. does anybody 
> have experience with Big Sur on their old Mac? do you have any suggestions or 
> advice for me. maybe I should leave well enough alone. suggestions and advice 
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Re: youtube

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Keeping your system up-to-date should help. I am not having any issues, but I 
am a Youtube Premium subscriber which means no adds.

> On Feb 17, 2023, at 15:17, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I’ve been having a lot of trouble with youtube lately. it might be because 
> I’m not up to date on my os. safari gets all tangled up when I try to find 
> the “skip ads” button and I’ve had some trouble with videos playing with lots 
> of glitches and stops and starts. is this just me or is anybody else having 
> trouble like this?
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Does the Mac store VO diagnostic logs?

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Two things into one really with this. I have a friend with a 2022 Macbook Air 
with 16 Gigs ram. It runs Audio Highjack and Loopback just ffine but crashes 
when they run Soundsource. One, has anyone experienced this issue, but they 
were also wondering, does VoiceOver store diagnostic information that they 
could  send to the developers?

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Re: Strange Mac Clean-up question, moving documents folder from iCloud to my Mac

[Herbie Allen]

I’m guessing here based on how iCloud Drive works. You can try Command delete 
and see if that deletes the folder. It may treat it as a default folder though 
since iCloud is somewhat integrated into the Mac. Otherwise, you should 
probably be able to delete everything in the folder. However, you might find it 
more beneficial to keep everything in iCloud. This way you always have access 
to the data, and it stores on your Mac anyway unless you set it for offline 
storage. As for renaming the folder, If hitting enter doesn’t work, then you 
will have to create a new folder with a different name and paste the contents 
of that folder into the new one.


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> When I got my current Mac back in 2020, as some of you may recall, I had 
> problems migrating files from my old Mac.  So I decided to transfer my 
> documents by copying the folder to iCloud, and hoped that I could then 
> download it onto the new Mac.  The download never happened.  I’m trying to do 
> some cleanup, and one thing I would like to do is to get that folder out of 
> iCloud and have it live locally on my Mac.  I have a bunch of old stuff in 
> there that I want to keep, but that I don’t want to use up iCloud storage to 
> store.  Just to be clear, I have a documents folder in iCloud, but I do not 
> have one in my user folder.  I tried creating one, and was told I couldn’t 
> because that name was in use.  So I copied it from iCloud into my users 
> folder.  That worked, but the folder is called documents - Donna’s MacBook 
> Air, and I’d like it to be named Documents, and for that to be the folder 
> that opens when I press CMD-Option-O.  I’d also like to delete it from iCloud 
> Drive.  Can anyone tell me how to accomplish this?
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Re: Continued problems with Finder

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Are the Time machine drives plugged in? You mentioned them so that makes things 
confusing. No Finder issues for me, but you can always try restarting it from 
the task manager.

> On Feb 12, 2023, at 22:21, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi.  I am having continued problems with the Finder on my Mac, which I just 
> updated to 13. Whatever.  I have had two hard discs that I used for Time 
> Machine go bad for some reason.  But also, even when I can see the files in 
> my Finder, I can’t do much from there and can’t even get to the menu bar from 
> there.  What has happened to the Finder?  Are other people having weird 
> behavior with the finder in these later versions of Ventura while using 
> VoiceOver?  I thought that I just had a problem with a bad disc drive, a bad 
> cable, a bad hub, or something like that, but I also seem to have problems 
> with the Finder that I can’t blame on these other things.  Can anybody tell 
> me anything that will help?  Have I just lost my mind?  Always a possibility.
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Re: VLC media player

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VO right past the show hide Playlist button.

> On Feb 12, 2023, at 23:30, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I use vlc media player for just about everything on my Mac. I’m trying to 
> find where it tells me how much time has passed in the file I’m playing. I 
> can find how long the file is but not where I am in it. How do I do this?
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Re: Revisiting Safari not responding

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I would try running a Mac cleaner like Onyx or Clean My mac. I’m thinking that 
you have a junk build up somewhere. I have a 2019 Intel Mac and I do not 
experience it on the level you are describing.

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> I am frustrated with Safari not responding. It happens on a daily basis. I am 
> doing nothing intensive. Simple Google searches, webpage reading. Please, is 
> there settings I can change to improve things?
> 
> My MacBook Air is less than 3 years old. Processor 1.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel 
> Core i7. Memory 16 GB 3733 MHz LPDDR4X. Shouldn't this be enough power for 
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Re: Mac Image Descriptions

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You can enable image descriptions, but this is one thing iOs does better.

> On Feb 8, 2023, at 10:26, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, can the Mac describe images like the iPhone and iPad? I was on 
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> This wasn’t happening on my Mac.
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Re: How to Clear Notifications on Mac Ventura

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Yes…to be incredibly annoying. Even with things disabled, you still get the 
notifications.

> On Feb 6, 2023, at 09:28, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Herbie,
> 
> Okay, I suspected these were being generated when I restart. This seems to 
> have started with Ventura,m or a recent update. It never happened using 
> Monterey. Any idea the purpose of these notifications? They seem pointless 
> and irritating.
> 
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> On Feb 6, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Do a VO O to bring up your notification center. Interact with Notifications 
> and do a VO Command Space on each group. You will then be able to clear them. 
> You wil have to do this for the log on ones every time you restart.
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2023, at 08:58, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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>> I’ve been getting multiple notifications for logon items. They seem to 
>> accumulate even if I restart Ventura. Ohly way I’ve found to trim them down 
>> is one by one. I have 29 notifications so far, all marked as “login items”. 
>> I don’t even know what is generating these notifications, but they are 
>> continuing to increase in count, even if I delete every one of them.
>> 
>> Does anyone have a way to not only clear these all out, but also where to go 
>> to stop them from continuing?
>> 
>> Again these notifications are all related to login items.
>> 
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Re: How to Clear Notifications on Mac Ventura

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Do a VO O to bring up your notification center. Interact with Notifications and 
do a VO Command Space on each group. You will then be able to clear them. You 
wil have to do this for the log on ones every time you restart.

> On Feb 6, 2023, at 08:58, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been getting multiple notifications for logon items. They seem to 
> accumulate even if I restart Ventura. Ohly way I’ve found to trim them down 
> is one by one. I have 29 notifications so far, all marked as “login items”. I 
> don’t even know what is generating these notifications, but they are 
> continuing to increase in count, even if I delete every one of them.
> 
> Does anyone have a way to not only clear these all out, but also where to go 
> to stop them from continuing?
> 
> Again these notifications are all related to login items.
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Re: another browser

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Chrome

> On Feb 5, 2023, at 22:33, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I’m thinking I’d like to install another browser for times when I have 
> trouble with Safari. what are your recommendations? everybody might not agree 
> but I’d like to know what the consensus is on this.
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Re: wondering what I might have done?

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reload the page and if that doesn’t work, close out and reopen the browser.

> On Feb 5, 2023, at 22:38, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> To be sure, my mac  experiences are far from  typical at the best of times.
> However, a friend set up the Grammy's broadcasting online on the CITI-tv site 
> sitein Canada.
> all was grand, until the  program went silent.
> chrome was in use, going busy, quite frustrating.
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Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client

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Where I am struggling is the QR code. Does it use the front camera or the back? 
Does it matter when pointing the phone at the screen if VO is on or off? I got 
it to work once a long time ago, but it did not like me yesterday.

> On Feb 1, 2023, at 14:22, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  wrote:
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> If you click the link that is on the email it will bring you to an article.
> On that you just use voice over to find the official whatsapp website.
> Then search for mac OS beta version, and the link is there.
> Let me know if you can’t find it.
>  
> Thanks.
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mohammad Fazil
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 3:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client
>  
> Hello!
>  
> I have missed the download link, could someone, please, send me the download 
> link?
> Thanks!
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Lucas Gil Nadolskis > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Shawn.
>> It really works well.
>> Thank you very much for sharing this.
>>  
>> Kind regards.
>>  
>> Lucas Nadolskis.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 12:58 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hey all. If you're still looking for an accessible Whatsapp client, I have 
>>> good news for you. The developers of Whatsapp have made a catalist version 
>>> of the client that is supposed to mimic what you see on your phone. I've 
>>> been testing it out for the past week and it's very accessible. And yes, 
>>> for Intel users, it works very well here too. You can read more about it 
>>> and download the client by going to this article.
>>> 
>>> WhatsApp’s new native Mac app is now in open beta 
>>> 
>>> theverge.com 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my Macbook Air
>>> To join my Whatsapp groups like Mac Users and Newbies, Accessibility 
>>> Matters, Tech Zone and so much more, email me your mobile phone number and 
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Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue

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Shortcuts are an essential aspect of Mac usage. Remember as many as you can!

> On Feb 1, 2023, at 19:15, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Brad, Wow. How do you keep all those keyboard shortcuts in your head? I never 
> knew about using the shift key with that combination to make it a quick and 
> dirty force shutdown.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:01 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
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> The keyboard command CMD + OPT + Escape, will open the Force Quit dialog.
> Using CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current app, or restart 
> Finder without opening the Force Quit dialog.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:33, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
> 
> There is an issue with finder on and off in Ventura. If it gives the no 
> window message cmd-option-escape will allow you to re-launch the finder and 
> may solve the concern.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:31 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Thanks.  This is not an older Mac, it’s a 2020 M1.  SO I guess I will 
>> disconnect all the external drives, all three of them, and restart.  I 
>> neglected to say that when the Finder stops working, I have to open a 
>> program like Mail to shut down the computer at all, and it might take it 
>> several minutes to do it.  
>> 
>> I just disconnected all the external drives, I have three, and I hope I 
>> don’t lose them all as one of them is my Time Machine backup.  The Mac 
>> turned on very quickly.  SO Now I guess I will start trying to reconnect 
>> these things.  What fun.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>>> There could be a number of things. The age of your Mac, the cord, or the 
>>> drive itself. If yours is an older Mac though, that is most likely the 
>>> issue. Restart your mac and then plug in the drive. When you open it, give 
>>> the drive a couple minutes to load. There could also be a formatting issue.
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:13, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>>> Hello.  I bought a nice big hard disc to store books, movies, and music 
>>>> on.  It is connected to my Mac mini via a cable.  I got messages saying 
>>>> that it had not been ejected properly, though, of course, it had not been 
>>>> ejected at all.  If I try to go to my external drives, the finder just 
>>>> stops working altogether.  SO right now, I am running first aid on the one 
>>>> of them that I can see.  But is there anything else I can do besides 
>>>> either give up or call AppleCare?  By the way, when the Finder stops 
>>>> working, I can’t open files from anywhere and apps like TextEdit won’t 
>>>> launch either, though Mail and Safari still work.  Does this necessarily 
>>>> mean that the external disc is corrupted?  Do I need to go further than 
>>>> just the Disc Utility?  Thanks for any guidance.
>>>> 
>>>> My poor, ailing Mac!
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Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue

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There could be a number of things. The age of your Mac, the cord, or the drive 
itself. If yours is an older Mac though, that is most likely the issue. Restart 
your mac and then plug in the drive. When you open it, give the drive a couple 
minutes to load. There could also be a formatting issue.

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> Hello.  I bought a nice big hard disc to store books, movies, and music on.  
> It is connected to my Mac mini via a cable.  I got messages saying that it 
> had not been ejected properly, though, of course, it had not been ejected at 
> all.  If I try to go to my external drives, the finder just stops working 
> altogether.  SO right now, I am running first aid on the one of them that I 
> can see.  But is there anything else I can do besides either give up or call 
> AppleCare?  By the way, when the Finder stops working, I can’t open files 
> from anywhere and apps like TextEdit won’t launch either, though Mail and 
> Safari still work.  Does this necessarily mean that the external disc is 
> corrupted?  Do I need to go further than just the Disc Utility?  Thanks for 
> any guidance.
> 
> My poor, ailing Mac!
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Re: Accessible Whatsapp Client

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I had an easier time finding it by searching for the word Beta. Keep in mind 
though it is Beta software, and if you are not  comfortable with buggy things, 
it may not be something to try just yet.

> On Feb 1, 2023, at 14:17, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
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> Hello!
> 
> I have missed the download link, could someone, please, send me the download 
> link?
> Thanks!
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Shawn.
>> It really works well.
>> Thank you very much for sharing this.
>> 
>> Kind regards.
>> 
>> Lucas Nadolskis.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 12:58 AM, bbsshawn via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all. If you're still looking for an accessible Whatsapp client, I have 
>>> good news for you. The developers of Whatsapp have made a catalist version 
>>> of the client that is supposed to mimic what you see on your phone. I've 
>>> been testing it out for the past week and it's very accessible. And yes, 
>>> for Intel users, it works very well here too. You can read more about it 
>>> and download the client by going to this article.
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/24/23568872/whatsapp-macos-catalyst-app-ipad
>>> Regards,
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent from my Macbook Air
>>> To join my Whatsapp groups like Mac Users and Newbies, Accessibility 
>>> Matters, Tech Zone and so much more, email me your mobile phone number and 
>>> I will add you.
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Re: IOS 16.3 How to get Safari to read an html file in iCloud drive

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One way I can think of is to put the file in your downloads folder. You should 
then see that folder in Safari and it might open the html that way. I wonder if 
it can also be done in the context menu but not sure.

> On Feb 1, 2023, at 11:46, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am running IOS 16.3 on my iPhone SE 2020.
> I have a html file on my iCloud drive which I want to read with Safari. If I 
> locate the file via the Files App and double tap on it the html file gets 
> loaded into Voicedream reader which I do not want as the html file contains 
> links to web resources which do not work in Voicedream reader.
> Is there any way to choose which App you want to use in IOS to process a 
> chosen file on my iCloud drive? 
> Alternatively is there anything I can do in Safari on IOS to point it to a 
> file in the Files App?
> Many thanks for any tips.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: filling out forms on websites

[Herbie Allen]

Try using VO Left and VO right instead. They will read the text outside the the 
box as well as the edit field itself.

> On Jan 30, 2023, at 14:31, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I’m running Catalina on my old Mac Mini. lately I’ve had trouble entering 
> text into boxes on websites. vo will read me the label of where I should be. 
> sometimes I use vo-shift-j to make sure I’m actually in the bbox, but I’m 
> not. when I press vo-command-f5 to hear where my cursor is it might say 
> something like: “end of text after word.” I’ve also tried interacting. vo 
> will say “in name of box”  but I can’t write anything. is there something I 
> can do with Safari or vo to improve this situation?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Mac OS radio app keyboard shortcuts

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Tunein works with Mac. It is a Mac App.

> On Jan 30, 2023, at 12:44, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, do you have a Mac radio app recommendation with good keyboard 
> support? Play/pause, volume control, favorite station etc. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci 
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Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Herbie Allen]

The article I’m referring too is one from the Verge about a week ago. It 
indicated that Twitter had updated it’s terms. This was days after they ppulled 
the support.

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I cannot speak to your speculations.
> however, given the article's publication date is 27 Jan, your reading before  
> publication is unlikely.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> I did, it looks like an article I read about a week ago that also said 
>> Twitter updated it’s terms. All I know is that right now, Tweesecake still 
>> works and when I was on Windows TWBlue still did. Maybe they’ll drop 
>> tomorrow, maybe they won’t. Twiter did let me authorize an account the other 
>> day on Tweesecake which surprised me. I’m wondering if there is a difference 
>> between apps who have paid for access to Twitters API. All you can do is 
>> enjoy your third-party ap while it works.
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you read the article?
>>> The difference here is that now it is an *official* part of developer 
>>> policy, instead of Twitter leading up to the change.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
>>>> Third-party support.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, 
>>>>> will  not be working for long.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
>>>>>> Tweesecake and TWBlue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Its official, see the article below.
>>>>>>> #TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
>>>>>>> officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
>>>>>>> Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent 
>>>>>>> devs
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kyle Wiggers 1 week
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
>>>>>>> Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
>>>>>>> clients altogether.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
>>>>>>> 5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
>>>>>>> prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
>>>>>>> to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
>>>>>>> Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
>>>>>>> long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
>>>>>>> but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
>>>>>>> know -- retroactively.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
>>>>>>> Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
>>>>>>> And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
>>>>>>> to their lack of ads.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
>>>>>>> and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
>>>>>>> section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
>>>>>>> its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
>>>>>>> leadership.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Twitter dev terms
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Image Credits: Twitter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The decision seems unl

Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Herbie Allen]

I did, it looks like an article I read about a week ago that also said Twitter 
updated it’s terms. All I know is that right now, Tweesecake still works and 
when I was on Windows TWBlue still did. Maybe they’ll drop tomorrow, maybe they 
won’t. Twiter did let me authorize an account the other day on Tweesecake which 
surprised me. I’m wondering if there is a difference between apps who have paid 
for access to Twitters API. All you can do is enjoy your third-party ap while 
it works.

> On Jan 28, 2023, at 15:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Did you read the article?
> The difference here is that now it is an *official* part of developer policy, 
> instead of Twitter leading up to the change.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
>> Third-party support.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, 
>>> will  not be working for long.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
>>>> Tweesecake and TWBlue.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Its official, see the article below.
>>>>> #TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
>>>>> officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
>>>>> Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent 
>>>>> devs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kyle Wiggers 1 week
>>>>> 
>>>>> After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
>>>>> Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
>>>>> clients altogether.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
>>>>> 5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
>>>>> prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
>>>>> to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
>>>>> Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
>>>>> long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
>>>>> but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
>>>>> know -- retroactively.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
>>>>> Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
>>>>> And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
>>>>> to their lack of ads.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
>>>>> and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
>>>>> section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
>>>>> its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
>>>>> leadership.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter dev terms
>>>>> 
>>>>> Image Credits: Twitter
>>>>> 
>>>>> The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
>>>>> when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
>>>>> post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
>>>>> capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
>>>>> want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
>>>>> an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
>>>>> "insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
>>>>> even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
>>>>> fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
>>>>> debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
>>>>> has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at th

Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Herbie Allen]

That has been the nature of things since Twitter started pulling the 
Third-party support.

> On Jan 27, 2023, at 23:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> The policy change is dated for 27 Jan, that means anything working today, 
> will  not be working for long.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
>> Tweesecake and TWBlue.
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its official, see the article below.
>>>  #TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
>>>  officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
>>>  Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate
>>> 
>>> Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
>>> 
>>>  Kyle Wiggers 1 week
>>> 
>>>  After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
>>>  Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
>>>  clients altogether.
>>> 
>>>  Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
>>>  5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
>>>  prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
>>>  to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
>>>  Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
>>>  long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
>>>  but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
>>>  know -- retroactively.
>>> 
>>>  As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
>>>  Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
>>>  And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
>>>  to their lack of ads.
>>> 
>>>  Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
>>>  and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
>>>  section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
>>>  its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
>>>  leadership.
>>> 
>>>  Twitter dev terms
>>> 
>>>  Image Credits: Twitter
>>> 
>>>  The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
>>>  when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
>>>  post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
>>>  capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
>>>  want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
>>>  an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
>>>  "insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)
>>> 
>>>  Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
>>>  even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
>>>  fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
>>>  debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
>>>  has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at the
>>>  end of October 2022. Fidelity recently slashed the value of its stake
>>>  in Twitter by 56%.
>>> 
>>>  Cutbacks at Twitter abound. Some employees are bringing their own
>>>  toilet paper to work after the company reduced janitorial services, the
>>>  New York Times reported, and Twitter has stopped paying rent for
>>>  several of its offices. Musk has elsewhere attempted to save around
>>>  $500 million in costs unrelated to labor, shutting down a data center
>>>  and launching a fire sale after putting office items up for auction in
>>>  a bid to recoup costs.
>>> 
>>>  Twitter's also heavily pushing its Twitter Blue plan (now with an
>>>  annual option), aiming to make it a profit driver. It plans to lift its
>>>  ban on political ads, chasing after campaign dollars in the 2024 U.S.
>>>  elections. And the company is reportedly considering selling usernames
>>>  through online auctions.
>>> 
>>>  
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Re: Twitter bands third party apps.

[Herbie Allen]

It’s been that way for a week. Some things are still working though like 
Tweesecake and TWBlue.

> On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:06, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Its official, see the article below.
>   #TechCrunch » Feed TechCrunch » Comments Feed TechCrunch » Twitter
>   officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
>   Comments Feed alternate alternate alternate
> 
> Twitter officially bans third-party clients after cutting off prominent devs
> 
>   Kyle Wiggers 1 week
> 
>   After cutting off prominent app makers like Tweetbot and Twitterific,
>   Twitter today quietly updated its developer terms to ban third-party
>   clients altogether.
> 
>   Spotted by Engadget, the "restrictions" section of Twitter's
>   5,000-some-word developer agreement was updated with a clause
>   prohibiting "use or access the Licensed Materials to create or attempt
>   to create a substitute or similar service or product to the Twitter
>   Applications." Earlier this week, Twitter said that it was "enforcing
>   long-standing API rules" in disallowing clients access to its platform
>   but didn't cite which specific rules developers were violating. Now we
>   know -- retroactively.
> 
>   As Engadget notes, Twitter clients are a part of Twitter history --
>   Twitterific was created before Twitter had a native iOS app of its own.
>   And they've gained a larger following in recent years, thanks in part
>   to their lack of ads.
> 
>   Twitter's attitude toward third-party clients has long been permissive
>   and even supportive, with the company going so far as to remove a
>   section from its developer terms that discouraged devs from replicating
>   its core service. But that seems to have changed under CEO Elon Musk's
>   leadership.
> 
>   Twitter dev terms
> 
>   Image Credits: Twitter
> 
>   The decision seems unlikely to foster goodwill toward Twitter at a time
>   when the platform faces challenges on a number of fronts. In a blog
>   post, Twitterrific's Sean Heber called Twitter "increasingly
>   capricious" and a company he "no longer recognize[d] as trustworthy nor
>   want to work with any longer." Matteo Villa, the developer of Fenix, in
>   an interview with Engadget called the lack of communication
>   "insulting." (Twitter has no communications department at present.)
> 
>   Twitter is under immense pressure to turn a profit -- or at least break
>   even -- as advertisers flee the platform, spurred by unpredictable,
>   fast-changing content policies. The company, which has $12.5 billion in
>   debt, is on the hook for $300 million in its first interest payment and
>   has lost an estimated $4 billion in value since Musk acquired it at the
>   end of October 2022. Fidelity recently slashed the value of its stake
>   in Twitter by 56%.
> 
>   Cutbacks at Twitter abound. Some employees are bringing their own
>   toilet paper to work after the company reduced janitorial services, the
>   New York Times reported, and Twitter has stopped paying rent for
>   several of its offices. Musk has elsewhere attempted to save around
>   $500 million in costs unrelated to labor, shutting down a data center
>   and launching a fire sale after putting office items up for auction in
>   a bid to recoup costs.
> 
>   Twitter's also heavily pushing its Twitter Blue plan (now with an
>   annual option), aiming to make it a profit driver. It plans to lift its
>   ban on political ads, chasing after campaign dollars in the 2024 U.S.
>   elections. And the company is reportedly considering selling usernames
>   through online auctions.
> 
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Herbie Allen]

Two keys if you use Caps lock. I thought this was something that would drive me 
crazy about the Mac, coming from a Windows background, but so what if we have 
to do an extra key. I don’t like it if I’m doing long term reading, but it 
helps if you think of it in terms of function. Press the key one way and it 
behaves differently. If you think about it though, it’s really a choice between 
extra keys and extra steps. On Mac, I can tab or VO right into an edit field 
with Quicknav off, and know that I can start typing. I can also skip over the 
field. Jaws, you have to find the edit field, then hit enter to go into Forms 
mode. You can also do an Insert Z to turn off the virtual cursor which is 
actually extra keys. Jaws does have the automatic forms field, but it has it’s 
issues which I won’t go into here. 

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 11:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> But that’s a perfect example of what some of us are talking about. VO-right 
> is three keys, Tab is one.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a huge fan of Windows 
> or Microsoft.  Mostly I much prefer the user experience on the Mac.  I just 
> think there are certain things that can be done more efficiently on Windows 
> with JAWS.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 11:06 AM, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> In Safari, you can always do VO Right instead of tab. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:55, Dave Carlson >> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ll toss in something that has been consistent with VO recently. When 
>>> entering user name and passwords on web pages (both Safari and Edge) there 
>>> is a significant lag in speaking the titles to the edit fields.
>>> 
>>> I tab to the first field and type my user name. Then tab to the password 
>>> field. VO speaks what I just typed, then the next field title, before 
>>> indicating a blank field. It is irritating because it slows things down.
>>> 
>>> There are other instances with VO where a ghost word or phrase is spoken.
>>> 
>>> I open a text file in a folder. Then close it. Then Cmd+tab back to Finder. 
>>> It reads the name of an adjacent folder before focusing on the list of 
>>> files in a completely different folder. Again irritating, and slow response.
>>> 
>>> So in summary I would say that VO is less responsive and slow to find focus 
>>> than it used to be in earlier Mac OS versions. I’m on Ventura on a 2019 
>>> MacBook Pro.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 4:27 AM, Bill Gallik >> <mailto:wfgal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the MacOS 
>>> platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds contempt” may 
>>> be at play here!
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and 
>>> MS-Windows with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be the 
>>> basis of comparison anyway?
>>> 
>>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>>> - “The absence of alternatives”
>>> - “clears the mind marvelously.”
>>> - Henry Kissinger
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Herbie Allen]

In Safari, you can always do VO Right instead of tab. 

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:55, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> I’ll toss in something that has been consistent with VO recently. When 
> entering user name and passwords on web pages (both Safari and Edge) there is 
> a significant lag in speaking the titles to the edit fields.
> 
> I tab to the first field and type my user name. Then tab to the password 
> field. VO speaks what I just typed, then the next field title, before 
> indicating a blank field. It is irritating because it slows things down.
> 
> There are other instances with VO where a ghost word or phrase is spoken.
> 
> I open a text file in a folder. Then close it. Then Cmd+tab back to Finder. 
> It reads the name of an adjacent folder before focusing on the list of files 
> in a completely different folder. Again irritating, and slow response.
> 
> So in summary I would say that VO is less responsive and slow to find focus 
> than it used to be in earlier Mac OS versions. I’m on Ventura on a 2019 
> MacBook Pro.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2023, at 4:27 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the MacOS 
> platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds contempt” may be 
> at play here!
> 
> Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and MS-Windows 
> with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be the basis of 
> comparison anyway?
> 
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> - “The absence of alternatives”
> - “clears the mind marvelously.”
> - Henry Kissinger
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Herbie Allen]

It is set to use the Caps lock and Control option keys by default. You can 
disable one of those under general in the VoiceOver Utility. I use it all the 
time with no problems. I don’t use quicknav that often. It’s  similar to having 
your virtual pc cursor off in Jaws. The caps lock key makes the extra key 
pressing not much of a deal and you get full flexibility. The Web rotor with VO 
U works just as well as Quicknav. 

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 09:17, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> what is qucik nav? Where would I go to make the vo keys capslock?
> 
> On 1/26/23, Suzanne Erb  wrote:
>> Try using the Caps Lock for VOkey.  Also try using qucik nav.
>> This simplifies things immensely.
>> Suzanne
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
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>>> I agree about the VO keys.  Many things on the Mac require the use of
>>> several keys at once that on Windows can be accomplished with just one or
>>> two keys.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jan 26, 2023, at 8:45 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
 
 the vo keys drive me nuts. I mean every time I have had a mac before
 now using so many keys for certain things have made me go crazy, but
 part of that is because I don't know all the little tricks around all
 of that. Logic and work is one of the reasons I have decided to get
 another Mac Book Pro. OH yeah and audio hijack sounds amazing, and I
 can't for get wanting to try out Xcode. I will just have to force
 myself to use the Macbook more than my windows pc for a couple weeks.
 
 On 1/26/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> I do use both.  I teach online, and I do prefer to do most of my
> teaching
> stuff on the PC.  However, to be fair, I’m not sure whether my feeling
> that
> that is easier is because it really is easier, or because it’s habit and
> I
> have good muscle memory for it.  On the other hand, I prefer to do most
> media related stuff on my Mac.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 6:27 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>> 
>> I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the
>> MacOS platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds
>> contempt” may be at play here!
>> 
>> Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and
>> MS-Windows with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be
>> the
>> basis of comparison anyway?
>> 
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Herbie Allen]

 I would definitely get a newer model as that is a limitation of yor machine.

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 06:18, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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> The only thing I don’t like is about my particular MacBook. It’s a 2019 model 
> with four thunderbolt ports. It’s an Intel Core I-5 with one core at like 2.4 
> GHZ and 8 gigs ram. I mean this was probably the very base pro model my state 
> could buy, and it shows even in little things like moving from one message to 
> the next in a mail conversations, that’s sluggish in a good long 
> conversations of like 20 or so messages. Or am I doing something wrong?
> Devin Prater
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>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 5:24 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
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>> Just wanted to give my opinion here. The Mac is really good with Bluetooth 
>> and other devices! For example on Windows even using the Jaws cut off speech 
>> option Bluetooth is still flaky for me. I like the fact that I can just pick 
>> up my airpods and connect to them with my Mac it's seamless just like on 
>> ios. This is a huge thing as it allows me to use my Mac however I want when 
>> I want. I also like the structure of just the normal operating system itself 
>> within the file explorer or finder I guess. Accessibility on the web is a 
>> bit hit and miss for me but between Safari and Microsoft edge I'm honestly 
>> pretty happy! I also recently created a virtual machine so if by chance 
>> something just won't work I can always use Windows and even though there are 
>> some sacrifices within the Mac operating system in that that I can't 
>> necessarily create a great way for an nvda or Jaws key it works enough for 
>> my use case. I was highly disappointed when shopping for Windows devices 
>> recently compared to the price of the mac! Value for dollar the Mac just 
>> wins every time with the great speakers body etc! I've been listening to 
>> Jonathan mosin and it's kind of comical to hear all the issues he's had with 
>> Windows machines I've never really had any problem with any Mac I've ever 
>> had! That's only been two I think in the last 3 years he's gone through 
>> three different Windows machines lol!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 6:02 PM 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>> What does the Mac do better for you? I struggle a bit with advanced web 
>>> stuff, like moving quickly through Salesforce and Google Docs on Safari.
>>> Devin Prater
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>>>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 12:51 PM, Herbie Allen >>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think overall the Mac is more accessible! Is it perfect? No, there are 
>>>> some things that could be better. But things like making websites 
>>>> accessible will go a long way. I feel like the main reason people s 
>>>> struggle is they don’t know VO Shortcuts. I am also a Jaws user and I 
>>>> think the Mac is much better!. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:56, Tibor Niesner >>>> <mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> what do you think about the accessibility on Mac OS?
>>>>> Do you think accessibility is worse and worse? Or what do you see it?
>>>>> I think that Mac OS is usable with VoiceOver. Because people say that 
>>>>> accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver is worse and worse.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regard
>>>>> 
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Herbie Allen]

I have found Google Docx confusing on both systems, but you may have an easier 
time with Chrome. I have not dealt with Sales force so I cannot comment on that 
one. Otherwise, with the web, I use the web roter a lot as it’s support of 
first letter navigation makes finding things quicker. I will use more standard 
navigation techniques on sites that I have not previously visited. I use both 
Safari and Chrome as some things display better on the latter, Dropbox is a 
great example. I can access my deleted files using Chrome, but Safari is not 
the greatest. That site is not good on Windows at all when it comes to 
naigating your folders..

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> What does the Mac do better for you? I struggle a bit with advanced web 
> stuff, like moving quickly through Salesforce and Google Docs on Safari.
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>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 12:51 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I think overall the Mac is more accessible! Is it perfect? No, there are 
>> some things that could be better. But things like making websites accessible 
>> will go a long way. I feel like the main reason people s struggle is they 
>> don’t know VO Shortcuts. I am also a Jaws user and I think the Mac is much 
>> better!. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:56, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> what do you think about the accessibility on Mac OS?
>>> Do you think accessibility is worse and worse? Or what do you see it?
>>> I think that Mac OS is usable with VoiceOver. Because people say that 
>>> accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver is worse and worse.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Best regard
>>> 
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Herbie Allen]

I think overall the Mac is more accessible! Is it perfect? No, there are some 
things that could be better. But things like making websites accessible will go 
a long way. I feel like the main reason people s struggle is they don’t know VO 
Shortcuts. I am also a Jaws user and I think the Mac is much better!. 

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> Hi all,
> 
> what do you think about the accessibility on Mac OS?
> Do you think accessibility is worse and worse? Or what do you see it?
> I think that Mac OS is usable with VoiceOver. Because people say that 
> accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver is worse and worse.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Best regard
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Re: M1 MacBook question.

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It’s cheaper.

> On Jan 24, 2023, at 18:38, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> That’s interesting, I wonder why my supervisor was trying to push so hard for 
> me to get the MacBook Air over the pro then, aside from it supposedly having 
> better battery life, and originally I’d asked the company to purchase for me, 
> since one of my reasons for needing it was to audit their site, which doesn’t 
> perform efficiently on my current machine, but the way they insist on running 
> it currently and have for years, it won’t with anyone running an older 
> computer system.
>  However, when I asked for the MacBook Pro, and gave my reasons, I later 
> found out from my supervisor that they denied my request, but were willing to 
> purchase a MacBook Air; however, he told me that he as well as another team 
> member currently have them, and with them being company computers, the 
> trackers they put on them cause them to become unstable and have been known 
> to crash, so he’s encouraged me to try to purchase one on my own.  So with 
> this being the case, I’m really trying to figure out what would be the better 
> deal before I just take the plunge and buy one.
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2023, at 7:25 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> On 24/1/23 19:22, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> I was told the M1 MacBook Air actually has a better processor than the 
>>> MacBook Pro, even though it has less ram, supposedly that wouldn’t make a 
>>> huge difference.
>>>  Is this correct?
>> 
>> No, the M1 Pro and M1 Max processors in the 2021 MacBook Pro are better than 
>> the M2 processor in the MacBook Air.
>> 
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Re: navigating the app store on my new Mac

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Nothing, that thing has gone through an interface change.

> On Jan 24, 2023, at 16:32, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Hi there,
> 
> I have now upgraded to Ventura 13.2.
> 
> Navigating the app store on my new 2017 Mac is a living nightmare.  I can 
> search for an app I want and see the results, but, no matter how I try I 
> cannot seem to read any information about the chosen app I’m considering.  If 
> I press VO+space on the app, it seems I select the get button.  If I try to 
> interact with the choice I want, I see nothing.  What am I missing here?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
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> Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user
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Re: YouTube Headings Not Playing?

[Herbie Allen]

You have to press it twice. The first time brings it into focus, and the second 
will activate the cursor.

> On Jan 23, 2023, at 13:15, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> I have Ventura in MacbookPro2017.
> On YouTube, I brought the heading menu on rotor, arrowed through the headings 
> and pressed up together on the heading I wanted play but the heading did 
> not start playing then I hit VO-space bar but still no play.
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Re: Charging Apple Magic Bluetooth Keyboard?

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Apple has two default keyboards that are bluetooth. the smaller one comes 
without a numpad. The keys are flat and the keyboard itself is very thin. There 
are some with fingerprint sensors and a model for the iPad as well.

> On Jan 23, 2023, at 13:24, Marlene Kramer  
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> hi,
> I hear referenced frequently the Apple Magic Keyboard. Can someone please 
> explain to me what that is? I have a 10 year old apple Bluetooth keyboard, 
> but I somehow think this is not the Magic Keyboard everyone talks about. An 
> explanation  of its uses and capabilities would be appreciated.
> Best, Marlene. 
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>> On Jan 15, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> Shouldn’t take longer than three hours.
>> 
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>>> Hi, Group.
>>> How long does it take to charge Apple Magic Bluetooth Keyboard, please?
>>> Thanks!
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Re: m3u playlist

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It’s possible you did not actually download the video. Some links are tricky.

> On Jan 21, 2023, at 18:49, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I was trying to download a video and what I got was an m3u playlist. how do 
> those work? I have no idea what to do with it.
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Re: AppStore Updates?

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They should update automatically.

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Re: Accessible Twitter client for mac

[Herbie Allen]

There are a couple that still work. Tweesecake still works, and TWBlue on the 
Windows side still works. Fro how long who knows.

> On Jan 20, 2023, at 14:50, Matthew Dyer  
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> Hi, Not sure if you are aware but twitter has disabled thirdparty access to 
> twitter so if things don't work, I would not be suprized.
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/20/2023 1:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> 
>> Now that Twitterrific is no longer available, what is the best accessible 
>> Twitter client for a mac running Ventura?  I’m currently trying Twitter.app 
>> and Spring.app but both are behaving in an odd manner so that I never quite 
>> know how to jump to the top of the Tweets, the shortcut keys don’t seem to 
>> respond every time, sometimes when I do succeed to retweet, I’m thrown back 
>> to the top of the tweet list.  This is all rather disappointing.  I have 
>> tried Twitter.com  website but the keyboard shortcut 
>> keys they list there don’t seem to work.  Any suggestions?
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Re: Accessible Twitter client for mac

[Herbie Allen]

For the Twitter app, select the tweet you want to retweet. I am trying to 
figure out Tweesecake but not sure how to get it to read Tweets. 

> On Jan 20, 2023, at 12:54, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: How can I insert my sig file to all outgoing emails?

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Are you talking about the email signature? If so, then just paste it in the 
signature under Mail Preferences.

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>   Hi  the  subject speaks for  it’s self, how  can  I due  this?
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> If  it  helps , the  file  is  a  word  file. I am  thinking that  all  I 
> need  to due  is  copy the  text from  the  word  file to some file  that  
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Re: Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

[Herbie Allen]

That is also the case for me.

> On Jan 16, 2023, at 05:44, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> Interestingly, for me, Twitterrific doesn't work on the iOS side, but on the 
> Mac, it works fine!
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2023, at 4:50 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
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>> If it comes to it I’ll use the Twitter client for iPhone.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2023, at 22:23, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
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>>> Thanks, I appreciate the information everyone. It does seem very deliberate 
>>> on Twitter’s part and if they do end up disabling all third party apps like 
>>> this permanently, it might be what pushes me over the edge to just stop 
>>> using Twitter. I’ve been thinking about it for a while anyway.
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 THe issue is that quite a few third party twitter clients are experiencing 
 this right now. Its not just night owl. 
 
 Greg Wocher
 
 
> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Brandon Olivares  
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> For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to 
> reauthenticate Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t 
> actually load, and it constantly plays the error sound again and again 
> and again. I’m unable to do anything else.
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> Is anyone else having this problem?
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Re: External Drive plugged in at logon on M1

[Herbie Allen]

Good to know.

> On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:22, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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>   I leave external drives plugged in on my M1 all the time and have no 
> problems.  But I have it log in automatically, so it may not apply.
> 
> 
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>> On Jan 16, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> I am also curious as someone was asking me about this very issue the other 
>> day. they use the Trackpad to get to the login screen. Also, does anyone 
>> know if it’s ok to boot up an m1 Mac with an external drive plugged into the 
>> unit? This is how they got the login window. I do this all the time on my 
>> Intel Mac and have had no issues.
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2023, at 08:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> This happened in Monterey and started doing it in Ventura.
>>> 
>>> When I first boot up, Voiceover announces "installer in progress" then 
>>> "authentication". I have to double click the mouse to get focus on the 
>>> password. Is there a fix for this? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Installer in Progress

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I am also curious as someone was asking me about this very issue the other day. 
they use the Trackpad to get to the login screen. Also, does anyone know if 
it’s ok to boot up an m1 Mac with an external drive plugged into the unit? This 
is how they got the login window. I do this all the time on my Intel Mac and 
have had no issues.

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>   This happened in Monterey and started doing it in Ventura.
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>   When I first boot up, Voiceover announces "installer in progress" then 
> "authentication". I have to double click the mouse to get focus on the 
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Re: Charging Apple Magic Bluetooth Keyboard?

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Shouldn’t take longer than three hours.

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Re: Question about contacts

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You uninteract with the contact twice and VO right to the edit button. I 
believe this is the same on older OS’s as well.

> On Jan 10, 2023, at 07:39, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Where do you even find the edit button on the Mac?  I’ve struggled with this 
> process on my Mac for years, but where the iPhone is concerned, I’ve never 
> had issues with it.
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>> Like the iPhone you first have to go to the edit button. Find your contact 
>> and uninteract twice. VO right to the edit button. VO space on that and VO 
>> left to the Contact Info scroll area and interact. Interact with the field 
>> you want to edit and VO right to the edit field and start typing.
>> 
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>>> I need to change the info of a contact in my Mac.
>>> How can I open a particular contact and see all the info?
>>> I pressed VO space, but it didn’t work out.
>>>  
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Re: Question about contacts

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Like the iPhone you first have to go to the edit button. Find your contact and 
uninteract twice. VO right to the edit button. VO space on that and VO left to 
the Contact Info scroll area and interact. Interact with the field you want to 
edit and VO right to the edit field and start typing.

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> Hello,
>  
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> How can I open a particular contact and see all the info?
> I pressed VO space, but it didn’t work out.
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Re: No Video During FaceTime ...

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Yes, monitors can burn out over time, but the camera while on the screen is a 
separate thing. I’m confused as to whether she could see you or not. You can go 
to the menu bar to find out which camera Facetime is using. You can test the 
screen by watching a Youtube video. If you see it, then something else is 
happening. If not, then you know the issue is with the monitor.

> On Jan 8, 2023, at 15:52, etscrivani via MacVisionaries 
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> This week I used my Mac Book Pro plus Iphone 10 to make a FaceTime call for a 
> music lesson since I was home sick. The call placed and while I got audio on 
> the Mac Book, the video was not displaying on the computer screen. I tried 
> turning screen curtain on/off/on but my instructor could not view what I was 
> doing. Any thoughts on what would cause this problem and what setting I can 
> look at to get this feature up and working again? My worst fear is that the 
> screen isn’t working any more but I don’t know why that would be. Do these 
> screens break or burn out over time? The computer is now 8 plus years old.
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> I finally had to give up on the Mac Book and just go through the phone which 
> worked as expected, but I prefer to use the computer as the screen gives a 
> bigger and better view along with what I consider better sound quality. 
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Re: The constant annoyance of Google

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Can you delete it from Internet accounts?

> On Jan 7, 2023, at 17:39, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> I upgraded to the latest OS on the weekend and since that time the 
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> settings. However, I do not have an account there. If I try to add one, I am 
> told I must authenticate by logging into my account on the web. When I try to 
> do that I am told I am already signed into my google account. I can not sign 
> out no matter how often I try, it seems I am permanently signed in. I hope 
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Re: Mac newbie curious about app recommendations

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Most apps you are likely to use will be third-party downloads. This really 
depends on what you want to use your Mac for though. For instance, there are 
some Twitter apps in the ap store, but Facebook and Youtube you’re using 
Safari. Apps like Zoom you get from the website.

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> are there recommended apps from the Mac store for the MacBook Air with which 
> I may not be familiar having come over from iOS? I realize a question like 
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> to learn if there are some I should start learning.
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Re: Media Volume?

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You can within some individual apps. Music, Quicktime, and VLC are apps that 
will let you use Command Up and Down Aeros to control their volume levels. You 
can also get the app Sound Source which is around $40 us that will let you 
control the volume levels of https://rogueamoeba.com/soundsource/apps.  

> On Jan 2, 2023, at 20:41, Fazil M.  wrote:
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Re: BCC field in new email?

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Command Option B


> On Jan 2, 2023, at 19:51, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
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> Hi, group.
> I do not find BCC field in my new email, how can I find BCC field, please? 
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Re: Saving Message in Draft

[Herbie Allen]

That is how you do it so not sure why that wouldn’t work.

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 17:11, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> The problem I am having is this, either VO-left arrow or shift-tab do not let 
> me go back to’To field’, how can I go to address field to fix it, please?
> Thanks!
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> Yes, just erase the address in the embedded field your backspace key and type 
> in the new address.
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>> If I save a message in Draft, can I change the recipient later prior to 
>> sending the message?
>> The reason I am asking this is that when I tried to change the recipient and 
>> to add someone in BCC field, the system did not let me go back there.
>> I was trying to go back with VO-left Arrow or shift-tab, was I using wrong 
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Re: Saving Message in Draft

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, just erase the address in the embedded field your backspace key and type 
in the new address.

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 15:32, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> If I save a message in Draft, can I change the recipient later prior to 
> sending the message?
> The reason I am asking this is that when I tried to change the recipient and 
> to add someone in BCC field, the system did not let me go back there.
> I was trying to go back with VO-left Arrow or shift-tab, was I using wrong 
> commands?
> Your help is much appreciated.
> Thanks!
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Re: Why does my Apple Watch tell me the wrong date

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I have not tried the date on my watch, but I have seen someone post a similar 
issue to yours in another group so this sounds like a major bug.

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 11:32, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I have an Apple Watch SE 2021 running Watch OS 9.2 linked to an iPhone SE 
> 2020 running IOS 16.2.
> Whenever I check the time on my watch it gives me the correct time but tells 
> me that the date is yesterday’s date. I have just used the watch to check the 
> time today Saturday 31 December at 5:12 pm and the watch tells me the correct 
> time but with  the date Friday 30 December. When I check the time around 
> 8:00am tomorrow Sunday 1 January the watch will tell me that the date is 
> Saturday 31 December.
> When I check the date and time on my iPhone both time and date are correct.
> If I power off the watch and restart it the watch then tells me the correct 
> date but then gets it wrong the next day.
> This behaviour started happening after the recent upgrades to Watch OS 9.2 
> and IOS 16.2.
> Is this a bug in Watch OS 9.2 or have I somehow changed a critical Watch 
> setting?
> Many thanks for any ideas.
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Re: certified apple teacher?

[Herbie Allen]

I know Apple has their own certification program. From what I understand, it’s 
not on VoiceOver specifically but the Mac as a whole operating system right 
down to its nuts and bults.

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 20:15, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> certified  by whom, as in  is there a directory of other likewise certified 
> apple teachers?
> I realize I walked right into that, but still laughs.
> 
> 
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> On Fri, 30 Dec 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
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>> I am thinking it means he was a certified Apple teacher.
>> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2022, at 13:30, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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>>> Hi folks,
>>> the Subject line was a part of Tim's signature.
>>> Anyone know to what this refers?
>>> thanks,
>>> Karen
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Re: Adding to the roater

[Herbie Allen]

VO Utility with VO F8. In the table of choices, look for Web. There are three 
options when you right Arrow from that spot. VO space on Web Roter. VO right to 
the table and select or deslect what you want and don’t want. Command Up and 
Down aero’s on an item will change it’s position in the roter.

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 16:37, Agent086b  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> how do you ad items to the Roater in Ventura?
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: certified apple teacher?

[Herbie Allen]

There is a specific Apple certification program. John Pannerese would be 
someone to talk to about specifics.

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 14:40, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
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> I always thought Apple Certified meant Apple Certified. As was Swift 
> Playground pretty obvious. I have an iPad Pro specifically for learning Swift 
> but have never quite got around to learning it. Yet another unfinished goal. 
> However, I always wanted to ask Tim what Jam Certified was.  I asked all 
> three of my personal assistants but none of them could tell me.
> Merv
> 
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>> On Dec 30, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> I am thinking it means he was a certified Apple teacher.
>> 
>>> On Dec 30, 2022, at 13:30, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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>>> Hi folks,
>>> the Subject line was a part of Tim's signature.
>>> Anyone know to what this refers?
>>> thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: certified apple teacher?

[Herbie Allen]

I am thinking it means he was a certified Apple teacher.

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 13:30, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> the Subject line was a part of Tim's signature.
> Anyone know to what this refers?
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Re: Why This Dialog?

[Herbie Allen]

I think I’m still right in the screen lock, but it’s doing it while the Mac is 
going to sleep.

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 11:40, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Actually, I am no way near the computer when I hear voiceover say this.
> Thanks!
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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> I think you are doing a lock screen command which is logging you out of 
> everything. I think that is a Command Shift Q.
> 
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>> I use most updated Ventura with MacbookPro2017.
>> Periodically, I get a dialog box that says something like the following:
>> “are you sure that you want to quit all application and log out?”
>> I try to find a ‘Yes/no’ button somewhere but can not find it and
>> The system logs me out in few moments and I have to log on back.
>> How can I fix this unwanted logout, please?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Why This Dialog?

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I think you are doing a lock screen command which is logging you out of 
everything. I think that is a Command Shift Q.

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 11:03, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, group.
> I use most updated Ventura with MacbookPro2017.
> Periodically, I get a dialog box that says something like the following:
> “are you sure that you want to quit all application and log out?”
> I try to find a ‘Yes/no’ button somewhere but can not find it and
> The system logs me out in few moments and I have to log on back.
> How can I fix this unwanted logout, please?
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Re: Ventura and Amadeus Pro

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The only issue I have is if I’m working in a separate track while the previous 
track is saving, I cannot move between windows. Otherwise, no issues.

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Re: Speech History Or Something Similar?

[Herbie Allen]

I have not used this feature on the mac, but I have on the iPhone and it’s 
pretty accurate. Maybe the speech history on the mac needs some work.

> On Dec 28, 2022, at 17:13, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Not really, but just curious when we say VO-Shift-c copies the last spoken 
> phrase, does it mean the whole logical and meaningful text spoken in one 
> breath or just a few words or one sentence?
> I am asking this because when I paste the last spoken utterance, the text 
> does not contain what I want to hear.
> Thanks!
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> I dont think we do. Is there anything in particular you are trying to access?
> 
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>> Do we have something similar in Mac like speech history in Jaws?
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Re: Speech History Or Something Similar?

[Herbie Allen]

I dont think we do. Is there anything in particular you are trying to access?

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Re: editing videos made on Zoom

[Herbie Allen]

Then accessibility does not matter in this case. Quicktime is great for making 
videos if it’s just you, but from what it sounds like, this is an actual Zoom 
conference. I don’t think it has much in the way of video editing.

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 20:03, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> ok. she’s sighted it’s just a matter of getting her to bother to do it.
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:38 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> She could try iMovie then on the phone or Mac. Like I said though, I don’t 
>> think it will give any feedback about the video itself.
>> 
>>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>> I don’t think the visual is that big of a deal but on the other hand, she 
>>> probably doesn’t want to be completely without it either. it’s just people 
>>> sitting there talking.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 4:49 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>>>> If you want to preserve the video, then no. The issue is that if you can’t 
>>>> see, you will not know what’s happening with the video part. If you just 
>>>> want audio, that’s a different story.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 16:16, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>>>> Is there an accessible program that can be used to edit videos made on 
>>>>> Zoom? I’m working with somebody who’s making videos for her youtube 
>>>>> channel but hasn’t learned how to edit and I’m not sure she ever will.
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Re: Mail Question: VO-J does not Read Email Message?

[Herbie Allen]

I just hit entr on the message and Command W to close. 

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 20:09, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> When I am in Message-table, VO-J takes me to the body of the message and the 
> subsequent press of VO-J brings me back to message-table.
> Today, however, VO-J circling between message-table and mailbox-table, it is 
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> How can I have VO-j read my message as usual?
> Thanks!
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Re: editing videos made on Zoom

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She could try iMovie then on the phone or Mac. Like I said though, I don’t 
think it will give any feedback about the video itself.

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I don’t think the visual is that big of a deal but on the other hand, she 
> probably doesn’t want to be completely without it either. it’s just people 
> sitting there talking.
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>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 4:49 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> If you want to preserve the video, then no. The issue is that if you can’t 
>> see, you will not know what’s happening with the video part. If you just 
>> want audio, that’s a different story.
>> 
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>>> Is there an accessible program that can be used to edit videos made on 
>>> Zoom? I’m working with somebody who’s making videos for her youtube channel 
>>> but hasn’t learned how to edit and I’m not sure she ever will.
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Re: editing videos made on Zoom

[Herbie Allen]

If you want to preserve the video, then no. The issue is that if you can’t see, 
you will not know what’s happening with the video part. If you just want audio, 
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Re: Why In Sent Messages, Not Inbox?

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, In the Tree view of Mailboxes, hit the letter A, and when it says All 
Sent, VO J. We have All Inboxes, All Sent, and All Drafts.

> On Dec 26, 2022, at 14:19, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Thank you very much, Herbie, it worked according to my liking!
> One more question;
> Like all inboxes feature, do we also have all Sent Messages folders?
> Thanks!
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> Two options. I recommend the all inboxes feature as you get everything in one 
> place. Doing a Command 1 will bring them into focus Otherwise, VO J to the 
> mailbox list and up arrow to All inboxes. Right arrow, and go down to the 
> inbox you want. VO J, and you will be in the message list for that mailbox.
> 
> 
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>> Hi, Group.
>> When I open Mail and go to message table, I find the messages from Sent Mail 
>> box, not from Inbox! How can I have Mail show me messages from my Inbox, 
>> please?
>> Thanks!
>> Thanks!
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Re: Why In Sent Messages, Not Inbox?

[Herbie Allen]

Two options. I recommend the all inboxes feature as you get everything in one 
place. Doing a Command 1 will bring them into focus Otherwise, VO J to the 
mailbox list and up arrow to All inboxes. Right arrow, and go down to the inbox 
you want. VO J, and you will be in the message list for that mailbox.

> On Dec 26, 2022, at 13:37, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> When I open Mail and go to message table, I find the messages from Sent Mail 
> box, not from Inbox! How can I have Mail show me messages from my Inbox, 
> please?
> Thanks!
> Thanks!
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Re: Not Responding Message

[Herbie Allen]

It’s still worth checking the network as I think apps send some sort of 
authentication information through the cloud when you open them. The age of 
your Mac is also going to be a factor, but I would also try  programs like Onyx 
and Malware Bytes. These are free options you can try.

> On Dec 22, 2022, at 23:27, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> I’m having a significant problem with some apps giving me a “… Not 
> Responding” message.  In particular, the native mail app on my Mac Mini is 
> driving me nuts with this.  If this were only happening with network 
> accessing apps I might be inclined to reset my wireless modem, but strictly 
> local apps (i.e., Checkbook Pro among others) manifest this most annoying 
> behavior as well.  And, I never get such results from my iOS devices.
> 
> I also have maintenance scheduled during the middle of the night every 
> Saturday/Sunday.  I don’t think this “bottleneck” or whatever else you might 
> call it is supposed to operate this way.
> 
> Can anybody offer any suggestions?
> 
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> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
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Re: Changing Default Email Account?

[Herbie Allen]

Go to compose in Settings, You can change it from there though I personally 
recommend the default setting where it knows by the address you are sending too 
which account to use. 

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 16:51, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> I have configured three email account in Mac. I would like to change default 
> email, how can I do that, please?
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