Re: a security / privacy settings question.

[Herbie Allen]

I think the possible time goes into the hours. As for the app store apps, keep 
in mind that the Mac app store is not like the one for iOS. I suppose m1 users 
might have a bit more flex-ability in this mannor with Catalyst, but I would 
not want to limit my app download options for the Mac since most will come from 
third-party sites. 

> On Jun 14, 2022, at 20:08, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> hi folks,
> I may wait to address this, but since my hmemate and I will be addressing the 
> log in password request happening every time a awaken the mac tomorrow, 
> thought I would ask about this.
> I understand from another, and far more informed apple accessibility team 
> member that I can either turn off the password request, or decide how often I 
> want the request to happen, anyone have an idea how much time is possible?
> Also, thoughts on the safety of allowing downloads only from the apple store, 
> and  trusted developers?
> Thanks,
> Kare
> 
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Re: question about apple mail accounts.

[Herbie Allen]

I know you can definitely do iCloud. Back when i did mine it was easy enough to 
set up, and it’s straight forward with setting up on the Apple devices.

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 13:38, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> My tony award goal is not quite that simple, ctv.ca requires a subscription, 
> with one of  our homemates creating an account so they can watch this as well.
> because I want everything connected to my mac already, and they will be 
> emailing me a link I intend to create? an apple mail account, and am hope 
> this is still possible.
> I have friends who use mac.com addresses and icloud.com ones as well.
> so, can I still create a mac.com address, via the mail application  on my 
> macbook pro?
> Any risks in doing this?
> I have zero interest in using gmail for this, and hope the apple mail account 
> will give me a central location for things etc.
> Thoughts?
> Karen
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Re: information on a thumb drive

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I’ll preface this by saying someone who’s actually done this would know, but 
did you do Command I on the actual label of the drive itself? If so, there 
might be multiple categories at the top.

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 02:55, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I put a thumb drive in my Mac mini running Monterey that I was planning to 
> put some data on. I pressed command i for info. I wanted things such as size 
> and memory used which vo read but it didn't read the actual info just the 
> heading or title or whatever you would say. is there some other keystroke to 
> get it to actually read the particulars?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: an absolutely silly, but for me important mac question?

[Herbie Allen]

Yes

Herbie

> On Jun 11, 2022, at 20:57, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> In my own defense because accessing broadcast content tends to be important 
> work wise, when living in my own home, I have cable.
> At the moment though I am in a shared situation.
> However, I need to access something, being broadcast via the web, at ctv.ca 
> tomorrow night.
> so...and here comes said silly question.
> Is it simply a matter of firing up mystic the macbook pro, choosing a 
> browser,  likely safari, but I will get Firefox if a wiser  choice, going to 
> ctv.ca, and accessing the stream at showtime?
> Thanks,
> Kare
> 
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Re: Business Phone App

[Herbie Allen]

I believe Skype is still an option. I know in the  past they had phone numbers 
from all over including small towns so they might have Spokane numbers.

> On Jun 9, 2022, at 09:51, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I am wanting to use an alternative number for my job applications
> using a phone number specific to the region. I tried Google Voice but
> there is no Spokane number available, the region I am planning on
> moving to.
> I tried Open Phone but it is not at all accessible. I let the company
> know about this. What other apps aside from Google Voice is
> accessible? Your recommendations much appreciated.
> 
> Kindly,
> 
> Vaughn
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Herbie Allen]

Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the 
volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume level 
of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t think I could 
last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while back so I could be 
wrong on that one.

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
> Johnathan's information will help someone.
> Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
> I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not solid 
> enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my computer 
> for my use.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can use:
>> 
>> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
>> 
>> To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that 
>> in Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to enter 
>> your password if you’re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio 
>> feedback when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in 
>> regular situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be able 
>> to use this command.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
>>> terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for 
>>> the computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe 
>>> to turn this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My 
>>> mac is a couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be 
 set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your 
 computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
> which   may be why the sound is missing.
> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never 
> a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
> What about turning up the sound if needful?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  
>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device 
>> without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be 
>> corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of 
>> was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>> 
>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime 
>> that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it 
>> was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that 
>> noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the 
>> MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>> Catalina.
>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
>>> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
>>> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
>>> checkbox beside start up sound.
>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
>>> volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Herbie Allen]

System volume is under Output.

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
> I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a system 
> volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for adjusting system 
> volume have not been shared?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
>> have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 
>> 50%.  VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, 
>> but it depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you 
>> can use the rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system 
>> volume.  Pressing VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce 
>> “Volume”, then keeping the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or 
>> up volume will only change the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the 
>> VO volume to, let’s say, 40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or 
>> other media volumes.  Turning up or down the system volume will change the 
>> VO volume relative, but it will stay at 40% of the system volume.
>> 
>> I hope that this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
>>> And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
>>> dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be 
 set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your 
 computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
> which   may be why the sound is missing.
> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never 
> a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
> What about turning up the sound if needful?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  
>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device 
>> without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be 
>> corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of 
>> was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>> 
>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime 
>> that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it 
>> was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that 
>> noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the 
>> MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>> Catalina.
>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
>>> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
>>> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
>>> checkbox beside start up sound.
>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
>>> volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Has anyone found a way to make Nick Mazzone‘s applet for Wordler work on their iPhone?

[Herbie Allen]

Try double tap and holding the link. You can also do a three  finger Quadruple 
tap on the code which will copy to clipboard. Finally, if you have access to 
your Mac, you could use the universal clipboard to copy the code or paste it on 
the Mac into a text file that has just the code. Open it on your phone and 
paste from that.

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> Hi all,
> 
> I’m traveling, and would like to play Wordle on my iPhone. I’ve looked at 
> Nick Mizzoni‘s page at get hub, and I’ve been able to install the outlet and 
> run chrome on my Mac to make it work but I cannot seem to find a way to cut 
> and paste the text of the applet as he suggests.  Every time I select the 
> text field and try to copy the text from the text Pittsfield, I end up 
> copying the text of theEvery time I select the text field and try to copy the 
> text from the text field, I end up copying the text of the whole webpage. How 
> do I go about just copying the code? Has anyone tried to do this, if so how 
> did you go about it?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> PS. Here’s the text from the page.
> C
> 
> Accessible Wordle
> If you're using Chrome on the desktop (Mac, PC, Linux), install this Chrome 
> extension to make Wordle accessible to your screen reader:
> 
> Make Wordle Accessible Chrome Extension 
> 
> Last updated: Feb 12, 2022, to support Wordle's new home at NYTimes.com.
> 
> Once you install the extension, you're done. Reload the page if you already 
> have Wordle open, but otherwise from now on every time you open Wordle it 
> will be automatically accessible, you won't have to do anything.
> 
> If you want to use Wordle on Android or iOS or on another browser, keep 
> reading - but none of the rest of the instructions on this page are necessary 
> if you use the extension.
> 
> This is a little bookmarklet to make Wordle accessible to screen reader 
> users. It's not a replacement for the game, rather you can use it to modify 
> Wordle in-place to make it accessible - that way you can play the same game 
> as everyone else.
> 
> Works on both desktop and mobile browsers and screen readers.
> 
> It's a few steps to set up the first time but then it's very easy to use any 
> time you want to play Wordle. This is the only way to modify a website 
> in-place, especially 
> 
> If you're on Android or on a desktop browser, below is a link called Make 
> Wordle Accessible. Instead of clicking the link, right-click it and choose 
> Copy Link Address, then keep reading for the next step.
> 
> Make Wordle Accessible <>
> If you're on your phone, especially iOS Safari, do this instead: navigate to 
> the following text field and select all of the code, then press Copy.
> 
> 
> 
> OK, if you followed either of the above instructions and copied something, 
> the next step is to make it into a bookmark. Open your browser's bookmark 
> manager and click on the option to create a new bookmark.
> 
> Name the new bookmark Make Wordle Accessible or something like that. In the 
> URL or link address field, paste what you just copied. It's super long and 
> should start with the word javascript. If it doesn't, something went wrong.
> 
> On iOS Safari, the easiest solution might be to tap the Share icon to 
> bookmark the current page, then open the Bookmark Manager and edit the 
> bookmark to paste the bookmarklet code in as the address, instead of this 
> page.
> 
> Now all you need to do is visit Wordle and then after the page loads, open 
> this bookmark you just saved, and the page will become accessible instantly. 
> If you keep the tab open it should keep working for as long as you want, but 
> if you reopen or reload the page you'll have to also open the bookmark again.
> 
> Written by Dominic Mazzoni, and released under the terms of the 3-clause BSD 
> license . Source code on 
> GitHub. 
> 
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How does Safari behave visually?

[Herbie Allen]

Lately, I’ve seen a lot of complaints about VoiceOver and the Safari not 
responding. this got me to wondering, what is Safari doing on the screen when 
VO says this? What I’m essentially asking, is this a VO issue, or is Safari 
freezing visually as well.

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Re: voiceover user guide for catalina?

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It does provide the tutorial. I’m sure Applevis might have a guide.

> On May 30, 2022, at 19:52, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> Hoped to find this on the mac for the blind site, and might have looked to 
> swiftly or in the wrong place.
> Still, anyone have a copy of this?
> Also, does Catalina still provide the   onboard voiceover tutorial?
> Thanks,
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Re: Safari incredibly sluggish

[Herbie Allen]

I’d consider a new Mac. I have an Intel from 2019 and while I do get Busy or 
not responding some times, it’s not as bad like on older Macs. In the mean 
time, try Chrome.

> On May 26, 2022, at 13:20, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I know this has been a topic for a while: I use Safari on a Mac from 2014. 
> Everythings still fine except for Safari which is constantly busy. It takes 
> Safari ages to calm down and to let me browse the web. A lot of you might 
> share this experience.
> 
> I wonder which browser might be recommendable instead of Safari. Which one 
> would you reccomend to avoid the busy message?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: What's the correct key press to insert an emoji on the Mac?

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https://matthewpalmer.net/rocket/

> On May 25, 2022, at 11:20, Kliph  wrote:
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> Where do you get this rocket app from?
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 8:42 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> I use a third party app called Rocket as I couldn’t get the emoji's to play 
>> nice on the Mac. A work around though, you could use your phone to create 
>> text  replacements with an emoji then use the key combination on the Mac. 
>> this even saves time on the phone as well if you have common emojis you like 
>> to use.
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 08:24, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I honestly was wondering that myself, sense I’ve run into that same issue.
>>> 
>>>> On May 25, 2022, at 9:10 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Question says it all.  I have no problem finding the one I want, but no 
>>>> key that I press seems to insert it into my document.  I’ve tried space, 
>>>> enter, and command option space.  What’s the magic key?  Running Monterrey 
>>>> now, in case that’s relevant.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
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Re: What's the correct key press to insert an emoji on the Mac?

[Herbie Allen]

Using the phone, go to Settings,  General, Keyboard, and text Replacement. go 
to the add button, the first option is the phrase, Switch to your emoji 
keyboard on the phone and find emoji you want. then in the shortcut field, 
write the key combination you want for that  Emoji. something like S F for 
Smily Face, etc. Hit Save, then on your Mac, type in the key combination and 
Space, and it should be there.

> On May 25, 2022, at 09:35, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Interesting idea.  Maybe a dumb question, but how would you do that?
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 8:42 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I use a third party app called Rocket as I couldn’t get the emoji's to play 
>> nice on the Mac. A work around though, you could use your phone to create 
>> text  replacements with an emoji then use the key combination on the Mac. 
>> this even saves time on the phone as well if you have common emojis you like 
>> to use.
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 08:24, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I honestly was wondering that myself, sense I’ve run into that same issue.
>>> 
>>>> On May 25, 2022, at 9:10 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Question says it all.  I have no problem finding the one I want, but no 
>>>> key that I press seems to insert it into my document.  I’ve tried space, 
>>>> enter, and command option space.  What’s the magic key?  Running Monterrey 
>>>> now, in case that’s relevant.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
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Re: What's the correct key press to insert an emoji on the Mac?

[Herbie Allen]

I use a third party app called Rocket as I couldn’t get the emoji's to play 
nice on the Mac. A work around though, you could use your phone to create text  
replacements with an emoji then use the key combination on the Mac. this even 
saves time on the phone as well if you have common emojis you like to use.

> On May 25, 2022, at 08:24, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I honestly was wondering that myself, sense I’ve run into that same issue.
> 
>> On May 25, 2022, at 9:10 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Question says it all.  I have no problem finding the one I want, but no key 
>> that I press seems to insert it into my document.  I’ve tried space, enter, 
>> and command option space.  What’s the magic key?  Running Monterrey now, in 
>> case that’s relevant.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Strange behavior when trying to update an app

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, I know how that goes. 

> On May 24, 2022, at 08:06, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, Herbie.  Maybe I’ll make upgrading my project for today.  I had 
> planned to do it soon, anyway, just hadn’t gotten to it.  I teach, so I never 
> upgrade the OS during the school year.  It’s just easier to wait till the 
> summertime, when I have time to deal with any fall-out.  Not that there 
> usually is much on a Mac, but the one time I assume there won’t be, is the 
> one time it will happen. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On May 24, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> Unless you have a good reason to stay, I would upgrade to Monterey which in 
>> my opinion at least, is an improvement over Big Sur. The next solution is to 
>> delete and reinstall the app.
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2022, at 07:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> For a couple of weeks now, I have been getting a message that there’s an 
>>> update to Swift Playgrounds for my M1 MacBook Air.  But every time I try to 
>>> update it, the percentage counter goes almost up to 100%, and then I get an 
>>> error message saying the app couldn’t be downloaded, and to try again 
>>> later.  Anyone know what could cause this, or better yet, how to fix it?  
>>> Still running Big Sur.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Strange behavior when trying to update an app

[Herbie Allen]

Unless you have a good reason to stay, I would upgrade to Monterey which in my 
opinion at least, is an improvement over Big Sur. The next solution is to 
delete and reinstall the app.

> On May 24, 2022, at 07:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> For a couple of weeks now, I have been getting a message that there’s an 
> update to Swift Playgrounds for my M1 MacBook Air.  But every time I try to 
> update it, the percentage counter goes almost up to 100%, and then I get an 
> error message saying the app couldn’t be downloaded, and to try again later.  
> Anyone know what could cause this, or better yet, how to fix it?  Still 
> running Big Sur.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: 3way phone conversation

[Herbie Allen]

It is always possible that a carrier could block the feature, but that is how 
you do it if things are set up normally.

> On May 21, 2022, at 15:37, kglists via MacVisionaries 
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> I didn't know that. You use to have to have two lines for two way calling as 
> I don't know if mobile networks have any kind of restrictions.  I live in the 
> UK so am not very technical about this.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 3way phone conversation
> 
> Are you referring to Sim cards? If so then no. This feature has been around 
> since 2010, though probably sooner. I was able to do three-way on a 2001 
> Nokia phone.  
> 
>> On May 21, 2022, at 14:25, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t know you could do three way calling.  Do you need two smart cards 
>> in your phone?
>> 
>>> On 19 May 2022, at 21:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> While on the first call, hide the keypad using the hide  button at the 
>>> bottom of your screen. You are then presented with a series of buttons. 
>>> Look for the add call button and find the contact you want to add. It will 
>>> call them and put the other person on hold. After they answer, look for the 
>>> Merge calls button and double tap. All  parties will be connected.
>>> 
>>>> On May 19, 2022, at 14:56, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ok so how do you do them?
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> They are both just as easy. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 18:58, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> how's the best way to do a 3way using an iPhone? if you already have one 
>>>>>> of your parties on the phone, is it easier to answer another call and 
>>>>>> bring them in or easier to put the first party on hold and call the 
>>>>>> second one and then bring the first person in?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>> Lorie
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Re: 3way phone conversation

[Herbie Allen]

Are you referring to Sim cards? If so then no. This feature has been around 
since 2010, though probably sooner. I was able to do three-way on a 2001 Nokia 
phone.  

> On May 21, 2022, at 14:25, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> I didn’t know you could do three way calling.  Do you need two smart cards in 
> your phone?
> 
>> On 19 May 2022, at 21:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> While on the first call, hide the keypad using the hide  button at the 
>> bottom of your screen. You are then presented with a series of buttons. Look 
>> for the add call button and find the contact you want to add. It will call 
>> them and put the other person on hold. After they answer, look for the Merge 
>> calls button and double tap. All  parties will be connected.
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2022, at 14:56, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok so how do you do them?
>>> 
>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> They are both just as easy. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 18:58, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> how's the best way to do a 3way using an iPhone? if you already have one 
>>>>> of your parties on the phone, is it easier to answer another call and 
>>>>> bring them in or easier to put the first party on hold and call the 
>>>>> second one and then bring the first person in?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
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Re: Cutting the cord with iPhone 13 hotspot

[Herbie Allen]

Personally, from my experiences, I would  recommend you get a true hotspot from 
your provider. This will have several benefits. One, theree is only so much 
those phones can handle when it comes to data transfer. Checking email and 
basic web surfing is ok, but try anything like Zoom, and you might find you’ll 
have breakups and a warm phone. Getting a router will save your phones battery 
and give you a better signal. the other is that you should be able to connect 
your Echo devices and they should act the way you would expect.

> On May 19, 2022, at 15:05, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I’ve been able to get my MacBook Air working very well on my iPhone 13 
> hotspot. It seems I have 5G service here in my home. My other main obstacle 
> is trying to connect the echo dot onto my hotspot network. I need the dot to 
> work my Amazon basics microwave and a few other things that have become 
> accustomed to. It seems the Alexa app has a glitch where this is becoming 
> very difficult and which there is a fix in progress.  I just spent about two 
> hours with Amazon tech-support trying to get this to work to no avail and 
> they assured me they will contact me when the fix comes through. I’ll try not 
> to hold my breath. Has Has anyone been able to connect an Amazon echo device 
> to their phones hotspot yet. If this can be accomplished and I know it can be 
> as soon as the fix comes through, I can envision completely dropping Comcast 
> cable and using Verizon wireless for all my Internet needs , a very exciting 
> prospect. 
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Re: 3way phone conversation

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While on the first call, hide the keypad using the hide  button at the bottom 
of your screen. You are then presented with a series of buttons. Look for the 
add call button and find the contact you want to add. It will call them and put 
the other person on hold. After they answer, look for the Merge calls button 
and double tap. All  parties will be connected.

> On May 19, 2022, at 14:56, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok so how do you do them?
> 
>> On May 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> They are both just as easy. 
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2022, at 18:58, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> how's the best way to do a 3way using an iPhone? if you already have one of 
>>> your parties on the phone, is it easier to answer another call and bring 
>>> them in or easier to put the first party on hold and call the second one 
>>> and then bring the first person in?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: 3way phone conversation

[Herbie Allen]

They are both just as easy. 

> On May 18, 2022, at 18:58, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> how's the best way to do a 3way using an iPhone? if you already have one of 
> your parties on the phone, is it easier to answer another call and bring them 
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> thanks.
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Re: Two Mac Questions, please

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In regard to Zoom, I believe you are referring to the announcement voice? I 
think that one depends on your default soundcard. 

> On May 14, 2022, at 06:53, Kliph  wrote:
> 
> the VO command to read to end of document is VO and the letter A, as for your 
> zoom issue, we’d need to know a bit more about your setup. Are you using a 
> headset, and external mic, where do you want the audio or VO to come out of?
> 
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>> On May 13, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Yolanda Thompson > > wrote:
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>> When hosting a zoom meeting on the mac, VO comes through the
>> microphone. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
>> Second, If I want to read from cursor to end of document, what is the
>> keyboard command to do so?
>> TIA Yolanda
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Re: dropbox on a Mac

[Herbie Allen]

Menu bar, and about.

> On May 12, 2022, at 18:40, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ha! shows you what I k ow. where can I find this in the computer?
> 
>> On May 12, 2022, at 6:34 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> A 2014 Mac minney has an Intel processor.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On May 12, 2022, at 18:24, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know the answer to that question. probably an m1 since it's late 
>> 2014. is there a place in there where I could look up that info?
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, I was asking if your Mac is Intel or M1 based, though from 
>>> what  Jerry said, it sounds like they are addressing the inaccessibility 
>>> issues with the M1. 
>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2022, at 14:16, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> it's a Mac mini. the problem just started for me. last week or at least 
>>>> last Wednesday it was still working.
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 12, 2022, at 7:30 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you’re using an M1 Mac this might not be possible any more, But in 
>>>>> your Menu Extras, find Dropbox. VO Down and keep going passed your 
>>>>> storage and all that then you will find a status that will either say 
>>>>> Sinking, or files uploading or downloading and the length of time. Also, 
>>>>> I was listening to Maccessability and on the latest episode, they were 
>>>>> talking about a third-party app. I think it’s called Mistral or but don’t 
>>>>> quote me on the spelling. I can see where this might be useful for M1 
>>>>> users if still experiencing the Status Menu Bug. If you are using an 
>>>>> Intel Mac, what do you see in the status Menu when using your down Aero 
>>>>> keys?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 12, 2022, at 02:19, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm uploading a file to dropbox and can't get any info about its 
>>>>>> progress. I checked in menu extras but nothing there so I opened the 
>>>>>> dropbox menu but I just can't find any info on the progress of the file 
>>>>>> I'm uploading. suggestions?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks.
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Re: dropbox on a Mac

[Herbie Allen]

Just to clarify, I was asking if your Mac is Intel or M1 based, though from 
what  Jerry said, it sounds like they are addressing the inaccessibility issues 
with the M1. 

> On May 12, 2022, at 14:16, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> it's a Mac mini. the problem just started for me. last week or at least last 
> Wednesday it was still working.
> 
>> On May 12, 2022, at 7:30 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> If you’re using an M1 Mac this might not be possible any more, But in your 
>> Menu Extras, find Dropbox. VO Down and keep going passed your storage and 
>> all that then you will find a status that will either say Sinking, or files 
>> uploading or downloading and the length of time. Also, I was listening to 
>> Maccessability and on the latest episode, they were talking about a 
>> third-party app. I think it’s called Mistral or but don’t quote me on the 
>> spelling. I can see where this might be useful for M1 users if still 
>> experiencing the Status Menu Bug. If you are using an Intel Mac, what do you 
>> see in the status Menu when using your down Aero keys?
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2022, at 02:19, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm uploading a file to dropbox and can't get any info about its progress. 
>>> I checked in menu extras but nothing there so I opened the dropbox menu but 
>>> I just can't find any info on the progress of the file I'm uploading. 
>>> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: more about dropbox

[Herbie Allen]

Try reinstalling the app.

> On May 12, 2022, at 02:40, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I fooled around with it soe more and now I can't even find dropbox in menu 
> extras. what do I need to do to reinstate it? 
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Re: dropbox on a Mac

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If you’re using an M1 Mac this might not be possible any more, But in your Menu 
Extras, find Dropbox. VO Down and keep going passed your storage and all that 
then you will find a status that will either say Sinking, or files uploading or 
downloading and the length of time. Also, I was listening to Maccessability and 
on the latest episode, they were talking about a third-party app. I think it’s 
called Mistral or but don’t quote me on the spelling. I can see where this 
might be useful for M1 users if still experiencing the Status Menu Bug.

> On May 12, 2022, at 02:19, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I'm uploading a file to dropbox and can't get any info about its progress. I 
> checked in menu extras but nothing there so I opened the dropbox menu but I 
> just can't find any info on the progress of the file I'm uploading. 
> suggestions?
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Re: Power adapter for an older Mac

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This one is a 13 inch.

> On May 10, 2022, at 23:09, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> A 15” MacBook Pro, has different wattage requirements than does a 13” MacBook 
> Pro, or a MacBook Air.
> I know the size of the MagSafe connector is smaller on the Air, and maybe 
> also the 13” MacBook Pro.
> I have a power supply for a 2012 15" MacBook Pro, and it is very different 
> than the adapter for my old 2013 MacBook Air.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2022, at 22:03, joseph hudson  <mailto:jhud7...@twc.com>> wrote:
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> The one I have, will work on a 2012 model or 13 model.
> 
>> On May 10, 2022, at 10:02 PM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would check with Apple.
>> Different Mac’s have different wattage requirements, and I don’t think all 
>> MagSafe connectors are the same size. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 10, 2022, at 20:35, Herbie Allen > <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Any recommendations on are where I can get a power cord for a Mac Book Pro 
>> 2012? This is the older type Magnetic power cord a and I want to make sure I 
>> purchase the correct one.
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Power adapter for an older Mac

[Herbie Allen]

Any recommendations on are where I can get a power cord for a Mac Book Pro 
2012? This is the older type Magnetic power cord a and I want to make sure I 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription

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It cannot.

> On May 8, 2022, at 04:52, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> HI!
> Not sure but I think vlc can play zipped audio files too.
> /A
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>> 8 maj 2022 kl. 03:51 skrev Herbie Allen :
>> 
>> Voice Dream is good for a situation where the audio files are in Zip form 
>> and you don’t want to unzip them. It can also be useful with the Cloud Sink 
>> and remembering your spot if you switch devices.
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2022, at 09:21, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes you can do that if you like.
>>> But there are better ways I think to listen to audio files.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 7 maj 2022 kl. 15:46 skrev Maria Chapman :
>>>> 
>>>> can you listen to audio files on the mac version of voice dream reader? i 
>>>> cannot test it as my mac is too old and won’t update.
>>>> Maria
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 May 2022, at 12:34 am, Karen Lewellen  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I had a setup  for it, I likely would.  Especially if the program 
>>>>> provides anything I cannot get elsewhere, like consistent reading using 
>>>>> the mac voice of my choice, and or access to the text as well.
>>>>> I process allot of material, and do a great deal of research, so it would 
>>>>> be a professional investment if feasible for me at least speaking 
>>>>> personally.
>>>>> Karen
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022, Tibor Niesner wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), 
>>>>>> and have you subscribed it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tank you very much.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regard.
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription

[Herbie Allen]

Voice Dream is good for a situation where the audio files are in Zip form and 
you don’t want to unzip them. It can also be useful with the Cloud Sink and 
remembering your spot if you switch devices.

> On May 7, 2022, at 09:21, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Yes you can do that if you like.
> But there are better ways I think to listen to audio files.
> /A
> 
>> 7 maj 2022 kl. 15:46 skrev Maria Chapman :
>> 
>> can you listen to audio files on the mac version of voice dream reader? i 
>> cannot test it as my mac is too old and won’t update.
>> Maria
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 May 2022, at 12:34 am, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I had a setup  for it, I likely would.  Especially if the program 
>>> provides anything I cannot get elsewhere, like consistent reading using the 
>>> mac voice of my choice, and or access to the text as well.
>>> I process allot of material, and do a great deal of research, so it would 
>>> be a professional investment if feasible for me at least speaking 
>>> personally.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022, Tibor Niesner wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all,
 
 Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), 
 and have you subscribed it?
 
 Tank you very much.
 
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Re: AirPods Max

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You are most welcome!

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> All I can say is wow!! Just picked up my new AirPods Max and I have to 
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> Didn’t have too long to listen, but gave the 1812 overture a quick play, and 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription

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It’s $.95 and now offering a 14 day free trial. 

> On May 6, 2022, at 05:48, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), and 
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> Tank you very much.
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Re: Clicking links embedded in iOS text messages

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It’s extremely easy to tell. If it’s an iMessage, then it’s coming from an 
Apple User. If it is a Text message, then it is from an Android user or 
organization using a third-party solution.
 That is an interesting question though if the  source matters since my links I 
deal with come from third-partys.
> On May 5, 2022, at 17:23, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I wonder if it matters that the person sending the message is not using an 
> Apple device. Of course it’s impossible to know in many cases whether an 
> Apple device is being used. The links are coming from organizations, so who 
> knows what device they used? Still, more often than not, way more often than 
> not, it doesn’t work. I’m shocked when it does. It used to be quite reliable. 
> But that was a couple of years ago or so. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 5, 2022, at 10:33 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I have had no problem accessing links in iMessages.
>> In my experience, this works as it has always worked for as long as I can 
>> remember.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2022, at 12:30, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> This used to work reliably. It’s been broken for quite some time, and yes I 
>> have reported it. Occasionally it works. Mostly it does not. Even when I’m 
>> right on the text that says “link“, when I turn my rotor to links and flick 
>> up or down, nothing. I don’t know why, but mostly it’s a Knogo.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Set your rotor to Links, and then swipe up or down as appropriate. This 
>>> should place focus on the link, where you can do a one finger double tap to 
>>> execute the link.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2022, at 11:13, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does one go about interacting with links that are embedded in text 
>>> messages in the iOS message app? I don’t use a lot of texting, but 
>>> occasionally I need to click a link in a message that was sent to me and 
>>> for the life of me I can’t find any way of clicking that link. It is 
>>> reported by voiceover as a link, but there is no links in the rotor and if 
>>> I navigate to it by word and land on it and try to click that doesn’t even 
>>> work. 
>>> 
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Re: Clicking links embedded in iOS text messages

[Herbie Allen]

I have had better luck with links using the mac than iOS.

> On May 5, 2022, at 13:29, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> OK, I just tested this out as I was reading the thread, and it turns out 
> there is a links in the router. It’s just that for some reason the links in 
> the rotor position has been moved so when I want to find it in its usual 
> position it wasn’t there and I assumed that there were no links in the 
> message. I have been able to find the links in the router in a different 
> place and flick down to the link in the message. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
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>> On May 5, 2022, at 2:15 PM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So have I
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2022, at 19:13, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve experienced this not working, too.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
> On May 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 This used to work reliably. It’s been broken for quite some time, and yes 
 I have reported it. Occasionally it works. Mostly it does not. Even when 
 I’m right on the text that says “link“, when I turn my rotor to links and 
 flick up or down, nothing. I don’t know why, but mostly it’s a Knogo.
 
 
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>> On May 5, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Set your rotor to Links, and then swipe up or down as appropriate. This 
> should place focus on the link, where you can do a one finger double tap 
> to execute the link.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>> On May 5, 2022, at 11:13, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> How does one go about interacting with links that are embedded in text 
> messages in the iOS message app? I don’t use a lot of texting, but 
> occasionally I need to click a link in a message that was sent to me and 
> for the life of me I can’t find any way of clicking that link. It is 
> reported by voiceover as a link, but there is no links in the rotor and 
> if I navigate to it by word and land on it and try to click that doesn’t 
> even work. 
> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader is out for Mac.

[Herbie Allen]

Preview and  Chrome already work well for me.

> On May 3, 2022, at 16:32, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> I am mainly interested in this to use as a converter for PDF files, 
> converting them into readable text. Has anyone else thought about this aspect 
> to make it worthwhile?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> On May 3, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> One thing regarding the subscription, it works on a family plan. so if you 
> are on a shared account, you only have the one $4.95 subscription fee to pay. 
> I’m trying out the app and so far, It’s interesting. No surprise, the phone 
> version is better.
> 
>> On May 3, 2022, at 03:08, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> If he had a lifetime subscription it could be nice to have I think.
>> I still have a developer version so I am using that instead.
>> EasyReader for Mac is not the best either.
>> I don’t know wether he understands the blind community or not.
>> But I can post the blog message he sent out.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 maj 2022 kl. 02:06 skrev joseph hodge :
>>> 
>>> There is easy keyboard navigation so for example command shift right arrow 
>>> I think moves forward command shift left arrow moves back by your specific 
>>> set amount. As far as things it can read I know it can read Daisy PDF etc. 
>>> not sure about the format you listed. It can sync with your iCloud so you 
>>> can continue reading where you left off on your phone which is nice. Just 
>>> not sure it's subscription were they nice
>>> 
>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just curious to know if there are any advantages of using this program 
>>>> over books on the mac?
>>>> i take it m4b files can be read?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3 May 2022, at 9:41 am, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My issue with it here is that it's sort of brakes with voice dream really 
>>>>> brought to the table and that is multiple text to speech engines. I 
>>>>> understand this is sort of a Mac limitation but still if that's the case 
>>>>> it's not worth it. Speech central is already on the Mac and does most of 
>>>>> what it can do. Maybe I'm missing something here but I really feel like 
>>>>> the developer doesn't really understand the blindness community. I think 
>>>>> his heart is in the right place don't give me wrong but at the same time 
>>>>> I'm not sure there's a need for this.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 7:36 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 18:03, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not going to pay $4.95 per month. I'll stick with using the one on 
>>>>>>> my iPhone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 17:54, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, but I believe it is spelled Voice Dream. It’s $4.95 a month.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 15:15, Anders Holmberg  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>> I saw on another list that VOiceDream Reader is out for Mac with a 
>>>>>>>> final release.
>>>>>>>> Its called VOiceDream Reader for desktop and is a subscription for 
>>>>>>>> those of you interested.
>>>>>>>> Its in the App Store where I have downloaded it.
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Re: VOiceDream Reader is out for Mac.

[Herbie Allen]

One thing regarding the subscription, it works on a family plan. so if you are 
on a shared account, you only have the one $4.95 subscription fee to pay. I’m 
trying out the app and so far, It’s interesting. No surprise, the phone version 
is better.

> On May 3, 2022, at 03:08, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> If he had a lifetime subscription it could be nice to have I think.
> I still have a developer version so I am using that instead.
> EasyReader for Mac is not the best either.
> I don’t know wether he understands the blind community or not.
> But I can post the blog message he sent out.
> /A
> 
>> 3 maj 2022 kl. 02:06 skrev joseph hodge :
>> 
>> There is easy keyboard navigation so for example command shift right arrow I 
>> think moves forward command shift left arrow moves back by your specific set 
>> amount. As far as things it can read I know it can read Daisy PDF etc. not 
>> sure about the format you listed. It can sync with your iCloud so you can 
>> continue reading where you left off on your phone which is nice. Just not 
>> sure it's subscription were they nice
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just curious to know if there are any advantages of using this program over 
>>> books on the mac?
>>> i take it m4b files can be read?
>>> 
>>>> On 3 May 2022, at 9:41 am, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My issue with it here is that it's sort of brakes with voice dream really 
>>>> brought to the table and that is multiple text to speech engines. I 
>>>> understand this is sort of a Mac limitation but still if that's the case 
>>>> it's not worth it. Speech central is already on the Mac and does most of 
>>>> what it can do. Maybe I'm missing something here but I really feel like 
>>>> the developer doesn't really understand the blindness community. I think 
>>>> his heart is in the right place don't give me wrong but at the same time 
>>>> I'm not sure there's a need for this.
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 7:36 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 18:03, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not going to pay $4.95 per month. I'll stick with using the one on 
>>>>>> my iPhone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 17:54, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, but I believe it is spelled Voice Dream. It’s $4.95 a month.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 2, 2022, at 15:15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> I saw on another list that VOiceDream Reader is out for Mac with a 
>>>>>>> final release.
>>>>>>> Its called VOiceDream Reader for desktop and is a subscription for 
>>>>>>> those of you interested.
>>>>>>> Its in the App Store where I have downloaded it.
>>>>>>> /A
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Re: Anyone have any experience with the Airpods Max?

[Herbie Allen]

I think that until processing gets much better, you’re always going to have 
Bluetooth limitations when it comes to two-way transmitting. This is something 
they could play with more so on the M1 Macs, but I think it’s probably a lower 
priority to them.

> On May 3, 2022, at 08:20, Kliph  wrote:
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> I love the sound quality for music, i love the battery life. The things I 
> don’t like
> •not being able to switch to another device on the fly. Example, when I had 
> my Bose quiet comfort, i could push my power button up once to get to my 
> iPHone, twice to get to my mac, then a third time to come back to my primary.
> •No deadicated mute button. Sometimes I am on facetime calls, or zoom calls, 
> and I am not near device, you want to be able to mute on the fly instead of 
> running back to device to do so.
> •Microphone sound quality. Now i may be a little touchy here, but recording 
> podcasts, and dealing with studio sound may factor in here. It sounds hollow 
> or with a slight echo when played back, and of course there is a slight lag.  
> Surprisingly where i get the best sound quality from the 9 microphones it 
> claims to use, is in zoom on the mac. ON the phone its a bit better, but not 
> by much. You would think with a price tag this high, they could do a bit 
> better. I don’t even use them as much as I thought i would based on the sound 
> quality of the microphone. Some say turn off ANC, or transparenancy mode, to 
> get better microphone quality. Why would i want to do that when those are 
> features I bought them for? Have thought of selling them, but they were a 
> gift. So I will hold onto them for now. But i use my airpod 3rd generations 4 
> times as much as I use the airpod max.
> 
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>> On May 3, 2022, at 6:42 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.  Good to know.  Thanks!
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2022, at 5:48 AM, Angie Nutt >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love mine: I find the sound quality to be very good; transparency mode is 
>>> great, that’s how I mainly use mine though sometimes use noise cancelling 
>>> if I have noise around me which is intrusive; that’s also very good. The 
>>> only thing is that I find them a bit temperamental; occasionally have to 
>>> reset them.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 Apr 2022, at 12:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Good morning, all,
 
 I’ve had the AirPods Pro for years, and in terms of performance and sound 
 am quite happy with them.  But the left one has never really fit snugly in 
 my ear, and because of my involvement with the clinical trial I mentioned 
 a few weeks back, I’m going to be doing a lot of plane travel over the 
 next several years.  I don’t use my Airpods on the plane, because I’m 
 afraid one of them will fall out and I’ll never find it again.  So, I’m 
 thinking about investing in a good set of over-the-ear headphones, and 
 since I’ve been happy with my Airpods Pro, the Max are currently at the 
 top of my list..
 
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 Cons? 
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Re: VOiceDream Reader is out for Mac.

[Herbie Allen]

I agree.

> On May 2, 2022, at 18:03, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I'm not going to pay $4.95 per month. I'll stick with using the one on my 
> iPhone.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 2, 2022, at 17:54, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but I believe it is spelled Voice Dream. It’s $4.95 a month.
> 
>> On May 2, 2022, at 15:15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I saw on another list that VOiceDream Reader is out for Mac with a final 
>> release.
>> Its called VOiceDream Reader for desktop and is a subscription for those of 
>> you interested.
>> Its in the App Store where I have downloaded it.
>> /A
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Re: VOiceDream Reader is out for Mac.

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Yes, but I believe it is spelled Voice Dream. It’s $4.95 a month.

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Re: Anyone have any experience with the Airpods Max?

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, they are great! By all means get a a pair! They’ll blow your AirPods Pro 
out of the water sound quality wise!

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 06:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Good morning, all,
> 
> I’ve had the AirPods Pro for years, and in terms of performance and sound am 
> quite happy with them.  But the left one has never really fit snugly in my 
> ear, and because of my involvement with the clinical trial I mentioned a few 
> weeks back, I’m going to be doing a lot of plane travel over the next several 
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Re: Strangeness with radio station in Apple Music.

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The Tunein App for the Mac is a regular Mac app and is not M1 dependent.

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 14:23, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Well, I haven’t tried tuneIn on the Mac yet.
> I don’t have the m1 Macs så I guess it won’t work.
> TUnein removed all my recordings so I am a bit pissed off at them.
> But I might give it a try.
> /A
> 
>> 26 apr. 2022 kl. 21:04 skrev Herbie Allen :
>> 
>> Have you tried the actual Tunein app on your Mac? That might prove easier. 
>> Apple Music on the Mac is not the same as the phone version so it is not 
>> surprising you are having issues with one vs the other.
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 13:41, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>> Hi!
>>> You know that there are several TuneIn radio stations if you have an Apple 
>>> Music account.
>>> I wanted to play a Swedish station named p4 Gotland.
>>> I can do this with no issue on any iOS or iPad os device.
>>> But when I try to play the station from my Mac I can not seem to start it.
>>> So I wonder what’s going on.
>>> Any thoughts.
>>> I have tried to route the mouse to the cursor and the cursor to the mouse.
>>> No luck.
>>> I press ctrl option command space and then in the menu I press the  click 
>>> button.
>>> /A
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Re: Strangeness with radio station in Apple Music.

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Have you tried the actual Tunein app on your Mac? That might prove easier. 
Apple Music on the Mac is not the same as the phone version so it is not 
surprising you are having issues with one vs the other.

> On Apr 25, 2022, at 13:41, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> You know that there are several TuneIn radio stations if you have an Apple 
> Music account.
> I wanted to play a Swedish station named p4 Gotland.
> I can do this with no issue on any iOS or iPad os device.
> But when I try to play the station from my Mac I can not seem to start it.
> So I wonder what’s going on.
> Any thoughts.
> I have tried to route the mouse to the cursor and the cursor to the mouse.
> No luck.
> I press ctrl option command space and then in the menu I press the  click 
> button.
> /A
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Re: opening a .rar file on my mac m1

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I would try googling mac apps that open those files or try the app store. Even 
on Windows, that format is a specialized one.

> On Apr 25, 2022, at 06:31, Patrick Ford  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I tried to open a .rar file on my m1 mac, but it did not open. It does, 
> however, play on the vlc app which seems strange since it did not open. How 
> does a .rar file open on a mac? Thanks.
> Patrick 
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Re: Good VPN option?

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The Mac does have iCloud Relay  available though it is in Beta mode. If you go 
under your Apple ID in system Preferences and interact with  the iCloud 
Services, you should see the option. I discovered this by accident when looking 
for something else entirely different so it’s all good.

> On Apr 21, 2022, at 09:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Even so, I’m looking for something for my Mac.  Not to invalidate your 
> question, just explaining.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 6:05 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> This brings up a question, now that we have iCloud  private relaying, isn’t 
>> that a VPN that’s already builtin to the phone? 
>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2022, at 06:13, Kliph  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Express VPN is excellent, right now if you pay for a year, you get 3 months 
>>> free.  And if you use a already current users join link, you get a 4th 
>>> month.  My throat was cut last time I posted my link, so if you choose to 
>>> go with them, and want that extra month, just send me a PM to my email. 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 8:24 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> The network at the hotel where I am staying has insecure internet, and, 
>>>> since I’m going to be spending some time here over the next few years, I’m 
>>>> thinking I need to set up a VPN.  I know this topic has been discussed on 
>>>> this list, so thought I would start here.  Can anyone recommend a good, 
>>>> accessible, hopefully not too expensive VPN option?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Donna
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Re: Good VPN option?

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This brings up a question, now that we have iCloud  private relaying, isn’t 
that a VPN that’s already builtin to the phone? 

> On Apr 21, 2022, at 06:13, Kliph  wrote:
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> Express VPN is excellent, right now if you pay for a year, you get 3 months 
> free.  And if you use a already current users join link, you get a 4th month. 
>  My throat was cut last time I posted my link, so if you choose to go with 
> them, and want that extra month, just send me a PM to my email. 
> HTH
> 
> 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The network at the hotel where I am staying has insecure internet, and, 
>> since I’m going to be spending some time here over the next few years, I’m 
>> thinking I need to set up a VPN.  I know this topic has been discussed on 
>> this list, so thought I would start here.  Can anyone recommend a good, 
>> accessible, hopefully not too expensive VPN option?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Can't add bookmarks in latest Safari 15.4

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Perfect, these are some ideas to investigate. Thanks!

> On Apr 20, 2022, at 10:45, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> Yes, I am able to add Bookmarks.  I go to a site, press cmd-d, choose the 
> location to place the Bookmark, as in Bookmarks Menu or Favourites, then 
> press return.  It shows up where it is supposed to.
> 
> Later…
> 
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>> On Apr 19, 2022, at 23:42, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just wanted to check or ask you to check whether you are able to add new 
>> bookmarks in Safari latest 15.4.  I don’t seem to be able to bookmark any 
>> pages at all regardless which OS on my mac I use: Big Sur, Catalina, 
>> Monterey: the same thing happens.  Can’t bookmark anything.
>> 
>> Thanks, Andrew
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Command L not working in Safari

[Herbie Allen]

I am helping  someone with Safari and they have indicated that they cannot do 
Command L to bring up the address bar. I am not sure why. They are using 
Monterey.

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Re: Starting Safari Without All Those Tabs/Windows

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I wonder if there is a relation to your Text Edit getting corrupted and your 
Safari not  displaying all options? Just a thought. I wonder if you can do the 
same clearing techniques for   Safari? 

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 11:25, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Tim,
> 
> With respect, I do not have those three choices in
> 1.  Safari opens with:  A New page.
> I only have two choices, as outlined in previous correspondence.
> 
> 
> My version of Monterey is 12.3.1
> My version of Safari is Safari Version 15.4 (17613.1.17.1.13)
> 
> No idea why, but there it is.
> 
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Re: Need to Repair TextEdit on Monterey OS

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Have you tried restarting your system? I had this same issue and restarting 
fixed it completely. Text edit comes as part of the OS, and I could not find a 
way to reinstall the program.

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 23:03, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> My Text Edit constantly goes into “TextEdit not responding” when I open it 
> without a document, or when I close a document. I always have to use the 
> force quit to shut it down.
> 
> This started happening yesterday, and so far I’ve found no solution to fix it.
> 
> Is there a site where I can download a new installation file for TextEdit? 
> The version that comes with Monterey is 1.17.
> 
> Or perhaps there is a configuration file somewhere in the system that is 
> corrupted and needs to be deleted or rebuilt?
> 
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Re: internet almost useless to me on Mac now and upgrading to a new Mac

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If possible I would go with the newer Mac models. If you just use it for basic 
stuff then you are probably fine with the Air.

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 16:49, Kathryn Zodrow  wrote:
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> Yep, I’d say your best alternative is using a smart phone for browsing the 
> Internet. There’s some sites I can use on my Mac, but other ones Safari  
> won’t let me open because my computer is too old. I’ve been using a late 2008 
> white MacBook running El Capitan and will need to upgrade to a new Mac soon. 
> Do any of you have any suggestions for what Mac I should upgrade to next?
> Thanks.
> Katie
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:46 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> At this point, your  smart phone is probably going to be more helpful if 
>> you have one. 
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 15:30, Raymond Foret Jr >> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
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>>> Okay,  Until I can get a new Mac somehow, does anybody out there know of a 
>>> good more text based browser that I can actually use with El Capitain?  I 
>>> know, that’s old but it’s all I’ve got now because this old Mac (a mid 2009 
>>> moddel) will not support anything more recent.  So, I figured that if 
>>> Safari is getting less and less useful to me, and Crome is not much better 
>>> now, is there any alternative that I might try?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
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Re: internet almost useless to me on Mac now

[Herbie Allen]

At this point, your  smart phone is probably going to be more helpful if you 
have one. 

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 15:30, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Okay,  Until I can get a new Mac somehow, does anybody out there know of a 
> good more text based browser that I can actually use with El Capitain?  I 
> know, that’s old but it’s all I’ve got now because this old Mac (a mid 2009 
> moddel) will not support anything more recent.  So, I figured that if Safari 
> is getting less and less useful to me, and Crome is not much better now, is 
> there any alternative that I might try?
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
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Re: Macbook and iMac

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Are you wanting to know something specific about those two models or are you 
just wondering about people using multiple Macs on the same account.

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:41, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> I have a question.
> Do anyone use Macbook and iMac together?
> Are there any advantages?
> 
> Thank you.
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Re: A question about showind audio description in a group setting?

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The latter could be done with a Mac. Simple have the output set to the 
projector and VO set to the headset and you’re good. As for the Share play, not 
with a single device. You will need to devices that can do Face-time. Then one 
device needs to be the one playing the video. However, I have not played with 
this so I do not know if the DVS will work on one device and not the other so 
you will want to experiment ahead of time.
 

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 22:38, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> hmm could a single device running share play work if one was channeling the 
> film audio through a control surface of some kind or a sound mixer? say one  
> channel for the track of the film with audio description, and one track with 
> the main track?
> Slightly different question, if there is no audio description, but subtitles 
> is there a way for the subtitles to be spoken, again through a headset paired 
> in, instead of the main sound for the rest of the room?
> Thanks for helping me answer their questions.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> 
>> It cannot be done as the audio description is part of the same track as the 
>> movie. It might be possible with Share-Play, but that would. mean everyone 
>> has to be on there own device.
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 20:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> making that subject clear is a challenge.
>>> Here is the situation, one of my co-workers is going to be showing  films 
>>> as apart of a series where only a few members need audio description.
>>> Think of well like going to the movies, without the special equipment 
>>> provided  by the company.
>>> How would you manage the process?
>>> Is there  software that helps filter, say if rented on YouTube, and you 
>>> desire spoken subtitles?
>>> If my question is confusing let me know,
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Re: A question about showind audio description in a group setting?

[Herbie Allen]

It cannot be done as the audio description is part of the same track as the 
movie. It might be possible with Share-Play, but that would. mean everyone has 
to be on there own device.

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 20:26, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> making that subject clear is a challenge.
> Here is the situation, one of my co-workers is going to be showing  films as 
> apart of a series where only a few members need audio description.
> Think of well like going to the movies, without the special equipment 
> provided  by the company.
> How would you manage the process?
> Is there  software that helps filter, say if rented on YouTube, and you 
> desire spoken subtitles?
> If my question is confusing let me know,
> Karen
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Re: Pontes Media downloader

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Yes, if you do a Google search you will find the app.

> On Apr 12, 2022, at 12:54, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Update the downloading engine - youtube-dl that does the actual download.  
> Some weeks ago youtube/google was throttling downloads, no profit
> for them by you avoiding ads.  I have read the most recent upgrades does a 
> run around youtube/google on the throttling.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> 
>> Pontes Media Downloader on my Mac running Monterey is just sitting there. it 
>> has the url of the video I want to convert and that shows up in the table 
>> after I hit convert but it shows that nothing's happening when I go through 
>> it. at the end I read: "checking for updates" but that hasn't changed in 
>> several hours suggestions please.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Pontes Media downloader

[Herbie Allen]

I am having the same issue and it is sitting idol on the update Download engine.


> On Apr 11, 2022, at 20:36, Debbie April Yuille  
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> I think Youtube are throttling downloads at the moment. I have the same issue 
> with pontes on windows.
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> Debbie
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> Pontes Media Downloader on my Mac running Monterey is just sitting there. it 
> has the url of the video I want to convert and that shows up in the table 
> after I hit convert but it shows that nothing's happening when I go through 
> it. at the end I read: "checking for updates" but that hasn't changed in 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Herbie Allen]

I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. Otherwise, 
it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 Intel Macbook pro 
with the latest Monterey. The documents in question were created using Word and 
they display just fine in Text Edit.

> On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
> described earlier.
> 
> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
> simple arrow key navigation.
> 
> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and still 
> am not able to navigate line by line.
> 
> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
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Re: Something very interesting I just learned about menus and VoiceOver

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This is why I am a believer in teaching VO separat from visuals. This way, you 
learn how VO  interprets things and you don’t have to worry about differences.

> On Apr 4, 2022, at 14:45, Steve Matzura  wrote:
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> My wife, who uses a Mac without VoiceOver because she can, pointed out 
> something interesting today. Apparently, VO announces menu access shortcuts 
> in a different order than the symbols are presented on the screen. For 
> instance, in Mail, for Forward (on the Message menu) VO says Command-Shift-F, 
> while the graphic shows the symbol for Shift first, then the pinwheel-like 
> symbol for Command, then the F. In the thirteen years I've used VO with 
> MacOS, starting with Leopard and then Snow Leopard, I've never known or 
> noticed this. In fact, I've never bothered to learn the shapes of the graphic 
> symbols for Shift (which I think is an up-pointing arrow), Command (the 
> pinwheel), Option (which I think is a wavy line or lines), or Control (which 
> I don't know at all). Would appreciate some confirmation and claraification 
> on those. But isn't it interesting that VO reads them in a different order, 
> which means it's not really reading anything at all--it's just reading the 
> text from a symbols dictionary for certain things.
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Re: Apple mail

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VO J


> On Mar 30, 2022, at 22:26, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I don't understand the layout well enough to know what you mean. how do you 
> get into the sidebar?
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2022, at 7:20 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> In the side bar, go down passed all the stuff that says Sink issues and all 
>> that and you will come to your iCloud folders.
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2022, at 17:41, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>> I have 2 accounts in Apple mail. gmail is my main one but I also use 
>>> iCloud. I'm trying to get into the trash in iCloud. I can find trash and 
>>> all my gmail trash is there but I don't know how to get into trash or 
>>> deleted messages in iCloud. this is in Monterey.
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Re: Apple mail

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In the side bar, go down passed all the stuff that says Sink issues and all 
that and you will come to your iCloud folders.

> On Mar 30, 2022, at 17:41, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm trying to get into the trash in iCloud. I can find trash and all my gmail 
> trash is there but I don't know how to get into trash or deleted messages in 
> iCloud. this is in Monterey.
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Re: cannot browse walmart.com on my Mac at all now

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Interesting,  I use the search function at the top. I will like on the Mac jump 
to the heading for the results and browse from there.

> On Mar 30, 2022, at 10:44, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Thanks Herb. I appreciate your answer.
> 
> 
> Let me tell you, yesterday I tried to shop with the Walmart app on my iPhone. 
> What a disaster. Things kept jumping around, the focus kept jumping, I 
> couldn’t concentrate on anything in that I put all. I couldn’t focus on any 
> of the information I was looking for. I got so mad, I deleted it from my 
> phone. I I’m using an iPhone 12 pro max with the latest iOS, by the way. 
> 
> Sincerely:
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mack Verizon wireless iPhone and Apple TV user
> 
> Sent from my iPhone:
> The first ever cellular phone equipped with Full accessibility for the blind 
> built him!
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2022, at 10:12 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> You are probably going to need a newer system. What I do is turn on 
>> Quicknav to find my edit field with F. You can also use VO J with it off. 
>> After you type in the search, hit enter, I then use my heading to go to the 
>> results and then do l for the link. If my quicknav is off, then VO J is a 
>> great way to get to the add to  cart button, or b with Quicknav on. However, 
>> while the Mac is convenient, I find the phone app is an easier way to shop.
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2022, at 04:39, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Y’all,
>>> 
>>>It’s been half a year since Hurricane Ida struck here and I’m home in a 
>>> new  apartment and all.  I went to browse walmart.com just now and found 
>>> that I cannot move through the site at all.  I’m using El Capitain on my 
>>> Mac because it’s too old to support anything more recent.  What settings 
>>> should I have in Safari to be able to browse walmart.com again on my Mac?  
>>> This is very frustrating.  Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: cannot browse walmart.com on my Mac at all now

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You are probably going to need a newer system. What I do is turn on Quicknav to 
find my edit field with F. You can also use VO J with it off. After you type in 
the search, hit enter, I then use my heading to go to the results and then do l 
for the link. If my quicknav is off, then VO J is a great way to get to the add 
to  cart button, or b with Quicknav on. However, while the Mac is convenient, I 
find the phone app is an easier way to shop.

> On Mar 30, 2022, at 04:39, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Y’all,
> 
>   It’s been half a year since Hurricane Ida struck here and I’m home in a 
> new  apartment and all.  I went to browse walmart.com just now and found that 
> I cannot move through the site at all.  I’m using El Capitain on my Mac 
> because it’s too old to support anything more recent.  What settings should I 
> have in Safari to be able to browse walmart.com again on my Mac?  This is 
> very frustrating.  Thanks.
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Re: Do not disturb on an iPhone

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Go into focus under Settings and look for Do Not Disturb. check your settings. 
Are certain people allowed, is repeated calls within 3 minutes on or off. Also, 
with Zoom, make sure the Call kit is enabled in the settings. That way, calls 
come in as Call-waiting instead of a disruption.

> On Mar 29, 2022, at 23:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> Apparently I don't know how to use this because I turned it on and then got 
> on Zoom and still got a phone call. what I'd like to do is have calls and 
> texts turned off or not coming through. how do I set D Not Disturb in order 
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Re: How to Read Entire Message Thread

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Yes, like Tim said, if you use the app all the time, you will get used to the 
layout. Actually, while it was certainly easier in Catilina, I find that  
seeing which conversation is selected can be more helpful. VO Command Space is 
also your friend on messages when you want to reply, react,  etc. 

> On Mar 29, 2022, at 10:21, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Thanks! I wasn’t un-interacting with the conversation list before trying to 
> get at that message thing. Appreciate the pointer. I’m really not happy with 
> the message app on the Mac.
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Re: How to Read Entire Message Thread

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I’m assuming you are using VO. 
Simply uninteract with VO Shift Up aero. Then VO Right Aero and you will get to 
a section that says Messages, collection. Simply interact with VO Shift Down 
Aero and VO Left Aero to go back through your conversation history. You can use 
some Keys for Navigation such as heading for each day, but don’t completely 
rely on them.

> On Mar 28, 2022, at 23:09, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> I’m using Monterey, the message app. I have a conversation highlighted. How 
> do I get to a list of the previous messages and replies for that conversation?
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Re: Documentation for VoiceOver on the iPhone?

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Your best bet might be to go to Applevis where you can look for what’s new in 
iOS15. 

> On Mar 24, 2022, at 05:12, Michael Busboom  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> Although I have been using VO on the iPhone since the iPhone 4S, I am wanting 
> to tweak the VO settings on my iPhone 12.  I am wondering if someone could 
> tell me where I might find that documentation.  When I asked Siri where I 
> could find VoiceOver documentation, I got two different responses, depending 
> on how I phrased my question.
> 
> Response 1: VoiceOver is already on.
> 
> Response 2: I’m over here.
> 
> Actually, where can I find documentation for my iPhone 12?
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> Thanks much,
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Re: Reading Search Results in Amazon.ca

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Try Down Arrow with Quicknav off. You can also try VO right.

> On Mar 22, 2022, at 12:38, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> I am not sure how to read the search result page on amazon.ca 
> .
> When I read by heading with Quick Nav on, the letter H reads the heading but 
> not the price or any other detail. I have to press right arrow in order to 
> read detail about the concerned heading. When I press right arrow with Quick 
> Nav off, voiceover reads character by character.
> How can I read the heading and its detail with down arrow?
> Would Voiceover read the entire page if I give Read-All Command, VO plus 
> letter a?
> Or is there any other effective reading stretagy that I am unaware of?
> I do appreciate for your help.
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Re: How to control other speakers from my M1 Mac running Big sur

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Even on iDevices you don’t have to do the Control Center usually. Most of the 
time you can change it in the lock screen window, and most apps have an Airplay 
button option. I had also forgotten about the music method as My VO is not set 
to follow the soundcard. 

> On Mar 22, 2022, at 11:09, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, Tim!  This is super helpful.  It didn’t dawn on me to look in the 
> Music app, because I expected it to be in the Control Center, like it is on 
> I-devices.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 10:25 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if all you’re doing is playing music or other media, then going 
>> through System Preferences is not the best choice.  Instead, in the Music 
>> app, you’ll find an AirPlay button.  All devices that support AirPlay and 
>> some Bluetooth devices will be listed there.  You can select one or more 
>> from there and the music will begin playing through the selected device.  
>> VoiceOver will remain going through the Mac speakers.
>> 
>> You can use media volume, or cmd-up/down within the Music app to control 
>> volume.  One limitation is that for devices that are not HomePods or HomePod 
>> Minis, the maximum volume is what the current volume of that device is set 
>> to.  So, if you want it to be louder, you may need to adjust the volume of 
>> that sounc bar etc with it’s remote.
>> 
>> This process is also available through the TV app if you wish to push the 
>> audio from your movie or TV show over to a sound bar or set of HomePods.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 07:16, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes. Go to System Preferences, Sound, Output, and select your speaker from 
>>> there. Make sure the speaker is on and if it's something like a Homepod, on 
>>> the same iCloud account.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Herbie
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 07:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Subject says it all.  I went into Control Center on my Mac, and tried 
>>>> selecting Airplay and Music, but when I did that, it seem to be prompting 
>>>> me to broadcast VO over other speakers, which is not what I want to do.  I 
>>>> tried telling Siri to play music on other speakers, and was told that she 
>>>> couldn’t find that speaker.  Is there any way to play music and control 
>>>> volume on other speakers from the Mac?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
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Re: How to control other speakers from my M1 Mac running Big sur

[Herbie Allen]

Yes. Go to System Preferences, Sound, Output, and select your speaker from 
there. Make sure the speaker is on and if it's something like a Homepod, on the 
same iCloud account.


Herbie

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> Hey all,
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> Subject says it all.  I went into Control Center on my Mac, and tried 
> selecting Airplay and Music, but when I did that, it seem to be prompting me 
> to broadcast VO over other speakers, which is not what I want to do.  I tried 
> telling Siri to play music on other speakers, and was told that she couldn’t 
> find that speaker.  Is there any way to play music and control volume on 
> other speakers from the Mac?
> TIA,
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Re: Location of Audio Book Files

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The Music folder under your home directory. go to  iTunes, iTunes Media, and 
there should be a folder.
 

> On Mar 19, 2022, at 21:02, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Sorry, but I neglected to save the information. Someone (likely Tim) gave the 
> folder and path to where audio books are stored on a Monterey OS. I need to 
> clean out files, and wanted to just delete them directly.
> 
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Re: Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

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also, in the Text Edit info, it does say version 1.5 and last modified in  
February. I do not see it listed in the app store, but like Brad I would assume 
it would be updated with the OS.

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 13:57, Kliph  wrote:
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> could be that intell machine you still have!lol. try a good old fassion 
> restart.
> 
> 
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>> though is I can open files in it no problems, but it freezes with Command N 
>> and if I open it from the Doc, nothing. Pages seems like it is also slow to 
>> respond. My other apps are working just fine.
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Re: Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

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Yes, I am awaiting the day you send me your new Mac Studio. A restart seems to 
have solved the problem. It’s odd, since I had just started up the machine this 
morning but that’s how these things go I guess.


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> restart.
> 
> 
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>> since the latest Monterey update. It freezes on me. What’s interesting 
>> though is I can open files in it no problems, but it freezes with Command N 
>> and if I open it from the Doc, nothing. Pages seems like it is also slow to 
>> respond. My other apps are working just fine.
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Problem with Text Edit on latest Monterey

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Running a Macbook pro 2019. For some reason, I cannot get Text  Edit to open 
since the latest Monterey update. It freezes on me. What’s interesting though 
is I can open files in it no problems, but it freezes with Command N and if I 
open it from the Doc, nothing. Pages seems like it is also slow to respond. My 
other apps are working just fine.

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Re: MSWord File In Email Attachment?

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If you prefer Text Edit or another program, on the word file, do Command I and 
VO right to Open with. Keep going until you see a combo box and you can . down 
arrow until you get to Text Edit or what program you want. VO space and VO 
right until you get to Change All. VO space on that  button if you want all 
word files to open that way.

> On Mar 17, 2022, at 00:59, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> I received an MSWord file as an email attachment. I saved it in Download 
> folder and found it there too.
> When I try to open this Word file, Voiceover takes it to Pages App and wanted 
> to convert it in Page format.
> How would I read this file if I let it be converted in Page format and be 
> saved there?
> I have never used Page before.
> Thank you very much and I do appreciate for your help.
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Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

[Herbie Allen]

I used to have issues with Big Sur but not with Monterey. Using a Macbook Pro 
2019. It has the t2 chip which could b a factor but I also use File Vault. 

> On Mar 15, 2022, at 06:53, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yes once the MacBook Pro boots I tap the trackpad and the Mac says VoiceOver 
> and I can then enter my password. Then I hit enter and the Mac logs in.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
>> 
>> I am having the same problem that you have with my MacBookPro2017.
>> Do you do double-tap with one finger when Voiceover kicks in?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 4:11 AM
>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen
>> 
>> Probably. I am calling the thing in front of the spacebar on my MacBook Pro 
>> the track pad because of the trackpad commanders. Not to be confused with 
>> the touchbar above the number keys that everyone but me despises.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is track pad and touch pad the same thing?
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:58 AM
>>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen
>>> 
>>> I wonder if that is a bug? I’ve had several experts walk me through this 
>>> and all settings are correct. Still my VO will not work on startup on my M1 
>>> MacBook Pro. However, if I tap the track pad VoiceOver will kick in and I 
>>> can enter my password.
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:07 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 It is in system preferences, users, login options. 
 I have not got this to work on my M1 MacBook Pro nor on previous Mac 
 mini Harry
 
> On 15 Mar 2022, at 06:14, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Okay, I forgot. Just installed Monterey, and VO is not speaking at the 
> logon prompt.
> Where do I go to make this work?
> 
> 
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> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
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Re: Dropbox for Mac client, menu accessibility

[Herbie Allen]

I’m running an Intel Mac and VO Space works just fine for me. 

> On Mar 9, 2022, at 18:23, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I recently installed Dropbox, as I've needed to transfer files to a company 
> that uses it in relation to a service they're providing.
> 
> The version I've installed is probably the new one for M1-based Mac systems.
> 
> There is an entry for Dropbox in Menu Extras, which VoiceOver identifies 
> correctly, but trying to activate it with Ctrl-Option-Space doesn't seem to 
> have any effect. There are no secondary actions either.
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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

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I’d love to play with the Mac Studio, even if it’s the basic model. It’s less 
than what I spent on my Intel Laptop in 2019 with customizations. 

> On Mar 8, 2022, at 14:26, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I actually listened to the Apple Event myself and I really don’t know what to 
> say.
> It was like, ok well great but then not!
> Sounds interesting with the Mac studio sounds very interesting but it seems 
> really expensive.
> The new Iphone SE was also an interesting thing.
> I guess there’s more to come in the June event.
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Question about batterys

[Herbie Allen]

I am trying to help two people, one has a 2020 intel Mac-book Air and another 
person with a 2020 M1 Mac-book Pro.
They are both trying to adjust the display settings on they're Macs to turn off 
after three hours. I had them both go into the battery in system preferences 
and go to power adapter. From they're, they could find the slider and adjust 
the value. when going  back in to double check however, it defaults back to the 
previous setting. I have a Macbook pro 2019 and do not have this issue. What is 
also interesting is on mine, I have the button to make and prevent changes and 
they do not but maybe that’s because I use file vault.
Another issue, the user’s VO on the  macbook pro will not turn on at startup. 
The box is checked in users and groups for it to turn on at login. Any ideas?
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Re: Continuity Feature

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I have found that restarting both my Mac and phone at the same time makes it 
work.

> On Feb 28, 2022, at 02:24, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I think its a hit or miss feature.
> Not sure when it works and when it doesn’t.
> /A
> 
>> 28 feb. 2022 kl. 05:58 skrev Muhammad Fayed :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> How to use continuity feature and when it does work?!
>> 
>> For example, I want to copy text on iPhone and paste it on Mac. I have all 
>> requirements satisfied, but I don’t understand why nit works and when it 
>> doesn’t. Sometimes, when I copy something, it is passable on Mac, and 
>> sometimes it is not.
>> 
>> I run latest iOS on iPhone 10S and latest Mac OS on 2016 15” MBP.
>> 
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Re: Accessing Download Folder?

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You can try  Command Shit L from your finder and see if that works. Also, from 
spotlight, you can point to the file and do a Command R which will reveal the 
folder.

> On Feb 26, 2022, at 21:55, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> I have downloaded my Vaccination passport and found it in SpotLight search. 
> How can I access download folder and copy it in my iPhone wallet?
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Re: Lost Passwords, a Cautionary Tale

[Herbie Allen]

Good news, there is a much easier way. Go to passwords on any device and add in 
the information manually. You will be able to pull it up when you need to and 
you should be good to go. 
Also, make sure your devices are logged into the same iCloud account. I’m 
gathering it’s not with the way you mentioned pulling up info on another device.

> On Feb 25, 2022, at 07:19, Steve Matzura  wrote:
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> I had the occasion to have to replace an email account on an iPad last night. 
> At first I thought I could just change the in and out server addresses and 
> passwords, but then I thought why not just rip out the old one, which hadn't 
> been used in a year and a half, and add it again. So I did--or tried to. I 
> deleted the old account, but when I went to add the new one, it occurred to 
> me that I didn't remember the email password. You know, it's one of those 
> things you set up and hope you'll never have to change unless, as in this 
> case, you change domain providers and forget what you chose. No problem--I'll 
> just sync the iPad with the other Apple devices on the account.
> 
> 
> Or so I thought.
> 
> 
> The first rabbithole down which I went was Safari's password list. The email 
> account wasn't there.
> 
> 
> Next I tried Keychain Access. Vacuously empty. Hey, I thought Keychain Access 
> held every password known to a Mac in its database. Guess not!
> 
> 
> Next, a call to Apple technical support just in case I was missing something, 
> and another to Apple's disability access help line in case I might have 
> stumbled upon an accessibility issue with Keychain Access. Nope, no issues, 
> no accessibility problems. Just no email account password stored anywhere.
> 
> 
> And it can't even be gotten from System Preferences, although it *is* 
> possible to change it. There's even a menu accessible from 
> VO-Command-Spacebar with options on it like Cut and Copy, but they're all 
> grayed; the only active one is Delete. Go figya!
> 
> 
> So, if iCloud is so great for synchronizing accounts across devices, what 
> about email?
> 
> 
> Apple says that, except for mail addresses supported by Apple itself through 
> iCloud,  the only way to save an email account's username and password is to 
> log into that account via Safari. But what if the email provider doesn't 
> offer Web-based email via direct access to the account, i.e., logging 
> directly into the Web-based mail system instead of going through CPanel or 
> some other portal? Easy and pretty obvious answer: You're stuck--at least 
> that's the polite way of putting it (LOL).
> 
> 
> So it's back to CPanel login to my domain for me, where I'll have to reset 
> the password for the email account in question, go into two Apple devices to 
> update it, and then finally create the account on the iPad. You can be sure 
> that when I set this account's new password, I'll use a password creation 
> formula I devised some time ago and follow it to the letter! That password 
> formula hasn't failed me in over twelve years.
> 
> 
> So, was there an easier way to have accomplished this, or is an email address 
> not associated with the iCloud domain and Apple ecosystem truly on its own? I 
> suspect the latter.
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Re: Alternativ web browser

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I have used Chrome and don’t get the busy message. 

> On Feb 24, 2022, at 02:29, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
> 
> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
> the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
> delay?
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Re: callendar

[Herbie Allen]

Using the phone at least, you should be able to unsubscribe from any shared 
calendars. 

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 12:40, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> today my Mac popped up with something on my callendar that I didn't put 
> there. it was an appointment I had discussed with others. is there a way to 
> make my callendar inaccessible to other people? I'd prefer to put things 
> there myself if they're going to be there.
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Re: Email Conversation with Attachment?

[Herbie Allen]

The thread will  always display the newest message first and go down to the 
oldest. The message with an  attachment should say the word  attachment in  
front of the message.

> On Feb 18, 2022, at 12:09, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Once the thread is expended, how can I read the messages newest first and how 
> would I know which of the nine messages have attachment and how can I find it?
> Thanks!
>  
> Thanks
>  
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> Subject: Re: Email Conversation with Attachment?
>  
> On Mac, right aero will  expand the thread and left closes. iPhone, swipe 
> down on the thread to expand and double tap.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2022, at 10:38, Fazil M. > <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, Group.
>> I still use my Windows computer for email because I don’t feel comfortable  
>> reading email in Apple, whether Mac or iPhone.
>> Reading single message on iPhone or Mac is just fine, however, reading the 
>> collapsed messages with attachment is really a challenge.
>> I don’t know how to expend collapsed messages and read each message 
>> independently, I don’t know which message is the latest, if there is an 
>> attachment, I don’t know which one of the nine messages has the attachment 
>> and how to access this attachment.
>> Any help is much appreciated.
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Re: Email Conversation with Attachment?

[Herbie Allen]

On Mac, right aero will  expand the thread and left closes. iPhone, swipe down 
on the thread to expand and double tap.

> On Feb 18, 2022, at 10:38, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> I still use my Windows computer for email because I don’t feel comfortable  
> reading email in Apple, whether Mac or iPhone.
> Reading single message on iPhone or Mac is just fine, however, reading the 
> collapsed messages with attachment is really a challenge.
> I don’t know how to expend collapsed messages and read each message 
> independently, I don’t know which message is the latest, if there is an 
> attachment, I don’t know which one of the nine messages has the attachment 
> and how to access this attachment.
> Any help is much appreciated.
> Thanks!
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Re: Does anyone know a good podcast or demo

[Herbie Allen]

amazon is a classic example of having to change the VO settings. Because of 
that site constantly bringing up the review overshadowing everything  else, I 
switched my cursor to ignore VO cursor. Other then that, I haven’t noticed any 
difference. Like others said, try the various methods for tasks you are  
performing and see what works best.

> On Feb 16, 2022, at 08:26, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> I’d like to learn more about using VoiceOver to follow mouse or keyboard 
> separately and best cases for this. Does anyone know any podcasts or 
> trainings that look at this in detail?
> 
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Re: How can I update my new iPad through the USB port on my MacBook Air 2013?

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https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Type-C-USB-Male-Cable/dp/B01GGKYKQM/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1XPID6Y94R2ER=USBA%2Bto%2BUSBC%2Bcord=1644779168=usba%2Bto%2Busbc%2Bcord%2Caps%2C98=8-1-spons=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFSV0I1TkVQOVQ5MUgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA1ODYyODkyUktTUzk4VUtBWFZTJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAzMDQ0ODEyVEFCTUI0T0ZGREEwJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ=1

> On Feb 13, 2022, at 11:29, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks for that info. Could you recommend one that might be good that, for 
> instance, I could get from Amazon?? Apologies for my ignorance here, but this 
> is the first time I've encountered this, so all advice and recommendations 
> would really be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 13 Feb 2022, at 16:45, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> USB A to USB C adapters are readily available.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2022, at 8:35 AM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Hi all 
>> 
>> Hoping that some of you may be able to advise me on this. I have a MacBook 
>> Air 2013, which is still working perfectly so I've no intention of 
>> changing/upgrading. I've used this Mac to update all my IOS devices ever 
>> since I've had it. However, I've just received a new iPad which only has 
>> USB-C connectivity. My Mac only has normal USB ports on it. So how can I 
>> update my new iPad using my Mac? Is there an adapter that I need to get to 
>> enable me to do this? If so, does anyone have any recommendations of good 
>> adapters that will allow me to update this iPad through my Mac 
>> easily/without hassle? 
>> 
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>> much appreciated and gratefully received. 
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Re: How can I update my new iPad through the USB port on my MacBook Air 2013?

[Herbie Allen]

You might find it easier to just update the iPad by going to Settings, General, 
Software update, and follow the prompts. Otherwise, you will need a  USB A to 
USB C cord.

> On Feb 13, 2022, at 10:35, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all 
> 
> Hoping that some of you may be able to advise me on this. I have a MacBook 
> Air 2013, which is still working perfectly so I've no intention of 
> changing/upgrading. I've used this Mac to update all my IOS devices ever 
> since I've had it. However, I've just received a new iPad which only has 
> USB-C connectivity. My Mac only has normal USB ports on it. So how can I 
> update my new iPad using my Mac? Is there an adapter that I need to get to 
> enable me to do this? If so, does anyone have any recommendations of good 
> adapters that will allow me to update this iPad through my Mac easily/without 
> hassle? 
> 
> Thanks so much for any help you can give, and all advice/suggestions very 
> much appreciated and gratefully received. 
> 
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Re: Setting Default Install Location

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Are you first putting the app in the Apps folder before running setup?

> On Feb 9, 2022, at 01:34, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Dear All:
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> I've noticed my Mac Mini has begun defaulting to using my external
> Thunderbolt storage drive whenever I install something new. This is most
> definitely not my preference.
> 
> Anyone able to help me reset to more standard locations? I'd most
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Re: app no longer in the app store

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SeeingAI but if the app downloads, it will still work. No guarantee it will 
work on later iOS versions though.

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 14:21, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> When I downloaded everything to my new iPhone s e there were a couple of apps 
> that were no longer in the app store. I would be asked if I wanted to keep 
> them. there's one in particular I used quite often so my question is: can I 
> still use it or is it no longer usefull since it can't be downloaded from the 
> app store? it's the money reader app. if it can't be used any more, what do 
> people read their bills with?
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Herbie Allen]

Getting back to the  original purpose of this thread, I think it was here 
someone mentioned having  issues getting back to the search field and typing. 
Once you get to search, hit the Tab key and you’ll be able to  type. 
Interacting with VO shift down does not seem to work, but tabbing does.

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 16:33, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> I also experience losing focus in the mail app. It does not happen with the 
> frequency as in the music app, but it does occur. I am using the Apple Magic 
> keyboard, so it has nothing to do with a trackpad. I am using a Mac mini with 
> no mouse or any input method other than the external keyboard.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 3:35 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’d normally think that it may possibly be my hand hitting the trackpad as 
>> well, but the question is then, why does it only happen in Mail, but not 
>> when I’m typing in TextEdit, Pages etc.  Again, it’s not all the time, just 
>> some inconvenient times :).
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:19, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have not experienced this issue either. I use an external keyboard. For 
>>> that matter other than the music issues, I’ve not   experienced some of the 
>>> others mentioned.
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:38, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t experience my cursor “jumping” when typing in macOS Monterey.
>>>> Could it be that your hand is inadvertently touching the TouchPad when you 
>>>> are typing? 
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
>>>> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
>>>> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg >>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>>>>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>>>>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>>>>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>>>>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>>>>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to 
>>>>> the result.
>>>>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>>>>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>>>>> /A
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>>>>>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>>>>>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve 
>>>>>> come up with to work around it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kristeen
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan >>>>>> <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
>>>>>>> Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often 
>>>>>>> says not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever 
>

Re: Regarding adding a new card in apple wallet.

[Herbie Allen]

I have experienced this issue. I think the problem is that ApplePay is not 
quite like Paypal where the person doesn’t see the payment method you are 
using. I think it just prevents the card info from being on full display. Your 
store may not take that particular card to begin with and that’s why it won’t 
work. This has been my experience.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:11, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> I really don’t understand  this.
> We have something here in Sweden called Klarna bank which you can do payments 
> with.
> I have added a card from them in the apple wallet and can use it with Apple 
> Pay.
> But it seems that Apple Store don’t use that card even if I have pre selected 
> this card.
> Does it take long to register a card in Apple store?
> Thanks bunches!
> /A
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Herbie Allen]

I have not experienced this issue either. I use an external keyboard. For that 
matter other than the music issues, I’ve not   experienced some of the others 
mentioned.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:38, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don’t experience my cursor “jumping” when typing in macOS Monterey.
> Could it be that your hand is inadvertently touching the TouchPad when you 
> are typing? 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 13:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> The thing that bugs me about Focus in Monterrey is how the cursor jumps 
> around when I’m typing.  I’m always having to edit my emails because the 
> cursor jumps to a different place in the message.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> The focus in general has gone worse.
>> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
>> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
>> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
>> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
>> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
>> result.
>> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
>> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
>> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with 
>>> VO. It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>>> up with to work around it?
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the 
 Mac? Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says 
 not responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
 might be in.
 
 I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
 music.
 
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Herbie Allen]

In regards to the  search, if you VO left back to the side bar and interact, 
you can find the search field again and VO space which should let you write.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:56, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The focus in general has gone worse.
> I can be reading an email and all of a sudden be in safari.
> Regarding the music app I don’t know.
> I can navigate it just fine by interacting with the sidebar and the grid.
> The worst  thing in the music app is the search field.
> When I do a search I have to stop interacting a lot of times to get to the 
> result.
> And I can’t do another search without first closing the app and restart it.
> But its just me who don’t know how to handle it.
> Also VoiceOver is not made for braille users which just is not good.
> /A
> 
>> 3 feb. 2022 kl. 17:48 skrev 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with VO. 
>> It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and 
>> Monterey did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come 
>> up with to work around it?
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
>>> Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
>>> responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I 
>>> might be in.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
>>> music.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Traci
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Re: Improving music app experience

[Herbie Allen]

I use VO J a lot and that can help, but most of what you are experiencing like 
the not responding are bugs Apple needs to address.

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 10:48, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> I would give anything if someone had a way to make the focus better with VO. 
> It used to work so well. The OS before Monterey sort of broke it and Monterey 
> did nothing to fix it at all. Does anyone have a way they’ve come up with to 
> work around it?
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone have tips on making the music app experience better on the Mac? 
>> Frankly, I hate it! I find it a challenge to navigate. It often says not 
>> responding. Frequently voiceover seems to jump out of whatever focus I might 
>> be in.
>> 
>> I appreciate any advice. I will even consider a different app to manage my 
>> music.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
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Re: Reading YouTube Heading By Character?

[Herbie Allen]

You only need your left and right aero keys without the shift.

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 09:11, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> This morning, I was on Youtube and trying to read a heading by character. I 
> had my Quick Nav on.
> I was able to read the heading by word with Option-left-right-arrows, 
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Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows

[Herbie Allen]

It’s all good. I was quickly browsing through email and mis-heard my VO.

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 09:26, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
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> It is for Reaper.
> Sorry for any confusion.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Herbie Allen
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows
>  
> Wait, is this something on Reaper or Uber? Confused?
> 
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>> I love it when we can use software on Windows and Mac.
>> http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/ 
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Re: Changing System Voice?

[Herbie Allen]

As far as I’m aware you cannot. Mine will  toggle between my VoiceOver voice 
and my announcement voice  which is separate. It randomly decides which it 
wants to use.

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 09:30, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> I am not sure whether I have an appropriate subject-line for my question.
> When I hit Option-t, Voiceover announces date I would like to change 
> this voice that tells the date Can I do that? If yes, how can that be 
> done, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Free Tutorials on Using Reaper on Mac and Windows

[Herbie Allen]

Wait, is this something on Reaper or Uber? Confused?

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> http://www.theglobalvoice.info/reaper/ 
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Re: Still no labels when answering messages on Apple Watch.

[Herbie Allen]

What model of watch? I thought the feature was only for the series 7?

> On Feb 1, 2022, at 03:45, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> I was hoping that they’ve should have fixed the issue where speech is totally 
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> It seems that the devs at apple not communicating with each other.
> I am a bit irritated about this crap!
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