Re: Word processing Q and intro
Hi, I purchased Pages a few years ago, maybe in 2009, and at that time it did not work well with VO. While I was able to work within the application VO had difficulties with focus and with continius reading from one page to another. Perhaps things have been improved in subsiquent releases? What version are you using? On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Larry, What are your problems with Pages? If you could be specific, I might be able to help you. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jul 2011, at 15:56, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I used to be on this list and with the release of Lion and some issues I'm having I decided to begin participating once again. I've been using a Mac since at least 2006. My question relates to finding a good word processing program. I'm starting graduate school in a few weeks and a big part of that will be research and writing. I currently have Pages and Text Edit on my iMac. Pages has ongoing Voiceover issues and Text Edit seemingly is very basic and lacks the tools I might need. I've tried Open Office with mixed results. That could be an option as I may not have spent enough time with it. I wonder if anyone has other suggestions for fully accessible word processing programs that are equivalent to MS Office in terms of functionality? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Is this really Apple software???
Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Word processing Q and intro
Hi, I used to be on this list and with the release of Lion and some issues I'm having I decided to begin participating once again. I've been using a Mac since at least 2006. My question relates to finding a good word processing program. I'm starting graduate school in a few weeks and a big part of that will be research and writing. I currently have Pages and Text Edit on my iMac. Pages has ongoing Voiceover issues and Text Edit seemingly is very basic and lacks the tools I might need. I've tried Open Office with mixed results. That could be an option as I may not have spent enough time with it. I wonder if anyone has other suggestions for fully accessible word processing programs that are equivalent to MS Office in terms of functionality? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: saytext is available
How do you turn on the LED light and leave it on? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:37 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: saytext is available remember lighting isn't much of an issue now that you have the led light in the front of the phone that can be left on On Jun 28, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: I just tried it on the new iPhone 4 and it works. It beeps when the document is in focus and the camera is steady; best done with two hands unless you've got a very steady hand, and it takes the picture. OCR doesn't take a terribly long time. The quality of lighting in the room is a big deal. When I first scanned I had poor results but then moved to somewhat better lighting and could read the letter in front of me with a fair amount of errors. I'm not after perfection though, just after something that can give me enough information to make heads or tails out of things. I think that if I'm using it with better lighting it will be great. On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote: hi listers, finally, saytext is their. head to the app store and put In the surch box, saytext doc scanner. I tested it with iphone 3gs but found that OCR results are bad. Also, the phone would not beep to tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube demo. I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better luck than me. regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: saytext is available
I just tried it on the new iPhone 4 and it works. It beeps when the document is in focus and the camera is steady; best done with two hands unless you've got a very steady hand, and it takes the picture. OCR doesn't take a terribly long time. The quality of lighting in the room is a big deal. When I first scanned I had poor results but then moved to somewhat better lighting and could read the letter in front of me with a fair amount of errors. I'm not after perfection though, just after something that can give me enough information to make heads or tails out of things. I think that if I'm using it with better lighting it will be great. On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote: hi listers, finally, saytext is their. head to the app store and put In the surch box, saytext doc scanner. I tested it with iphone 3gs but found that OCR results are bad. Also, the phone would not beep to tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube demo. I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better luck than me. regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
converting DVD
Hi, Can someone point me to software that I can use to convert DVD to MP4 or another file format that I can use. My wife has several DVDs she owns that have arobic workouts on them and, as she will be traveling quite a bit in the near future, she wants to end up being able to use the air video app on the iPad to watch them. This application plays many video file formats and my real issue is finding a Mac product that will capture the audio/video and copy it to my computer hard drive. Thanks for any help with this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ACB Convention
Hey Chris, I'm here in PHX as well and will be around the convention. Maybe we could try to plan some kind of meet-up for people on the list at one of the restaurants around the convention hotel in the evening. We could chat off list if necessary, formulate some plans and then maybe come up with an announcement or something. Just a thought. On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi ladies and gentlemen, I am one of the people who is unfortunate enough to live in the hottest state in the US which I lovingly refer to as Arid Zona. Anyway, I am wondering if any of you fine visionaries are planning to attend the ACB convention in my hot city. If so, it might be fun to take a break from our safari, gather round the firewire, and have some toast. Since it's hot though, perhaps we might want to meet up on the dock and iChat over java and cookies. I would have tried to come up with more mac programs, but not many deal with food. lol Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
The options before June of last year were to use one of the phones from LG or other providers that offered limited access to basic phone functions or to purchase one of the phones and put Talks or one of the other speech programs on it. And, after using the iPhone, I really think those solutions were sub par. The iPhone is far better than those solutions. On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Only realistic option? So what were blind people using before last June? I agree the iPhone gives the most accessibility for the best overall price but it's not the only game in town. On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor portable use On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Not enough competition? I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much competition is needed? On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. Cheers, Donna On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not
Re: Is the Numbers app accessible on iPad?
Yes, it works with VO. Figuring out how to use it is on my list but I've been able to enter data and mess around with it. On Apr 30, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Brett Campbell wrote: Is the Numbers app accessible with VoiceOver on the iPad? Brett C. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Which iPad mode is better?
No right answer for this. Portrait or landscape depends entirely on the app you are using. Some of the iPhone apps only work in portrait on either platform for example. How you hold it is a very personal decision in terms of what's comfortable for you. It depends on whether you're in constant contact with the screen or just holding it while reading a book. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Bollinger Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:51 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Which iPad mode is better? Hi all, Just wondering what those who have iPads think. Is portrait or landscape better and which way is the best way to hold it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
considering an iPad but have questions
Hi, So, I think I'm going to get an iPad but have data related questions. While wifi is probably a good option, the fact is that free and reliable wifi is not as available as we might hope. I often find myself on the train, a bus, waiting at a business, Etc. where wifi is not available. Both the iPhone and iPad are very data centric devices and most of the apps I use require an Internet connection. Therefore, I can easily see situations where the lack of Internet access is going to be a problem. Yet, I absolutely hate the idea of paying for a data plan with ATT when I'm already doing so with the iPhone. My iPhone is not jail broken so tethering really isn't a good option for me. I've looked at purchasing a mifi from Verizon as another option. The cost is $50 after a rebate and either $40 or $60 per month on a 2 year agreement depending on the data plan I want. I'm finding that I'm very mobile and not at home much of the time now days and am considering canceling or sharply cutting back on my broadband costs there so that would offset the cost of the access through a mifi. For those who don't know, the mifi is a device a bit larger than a credit card that provides Internet access via the Verizon 3G network. Ultimately, there is a question here which relates to the requirement of having a data plan on the iPhone. Is a data plan required? Does ATT offer a limited data plan at a lower cost or is the $30 unlimited plan my only choice. I really don't want to pay for multiple data plans if I can get out of it. Thanks for any thoughts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: considering an iPad but have questions
It is 5G. They are not offering a true unlimited data plan. But, I'd be surprised if I consume anything close to 5GB of data per month. I might because I download several video podcasts but even then I highly doubt it. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr. Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: considering an iPad but have questions out of curiousity is that unlimited or the new standard 5 gb a month? thanks, Max On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, The data plans for the iPad are pay as you go. There is no contract. You can get the $15 250MB plan as well as the $30 umlimited plan. hth On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, So, I think I'm going to get an iPad but have data related questions. While wifi is probably a good option, the fact is that free and reliable wifi is not as available as we might hope. I often find myself on the train, a bus, waiting at a business, Etc. where wifi is not available. Both the iPhone and iPad are very data centric devices and most of the apps I use require an Internet connection. Therefore, I can easily see situations where the lack of Internet access is going to be a problem. Yet, I absolutely hate the idea of paying for a data plan with ATT when I'm already doing so with the iPhone. My iPhone is not jail broken so tethering really isn't a good option for me. I've looked at purchasing a mifi from Verizon as another option. The cost is $50 after a rebate and either $40 or $60 per month on a 2 year agreement depending on the data plan I want. I'm finding that I'm very mobile and not at home much of the time now days and am considering canceling or sharply cutting back on my broadband costs there so that would offset the cost of the access through a mifi. For those who don't know, the mifi is a device a bit larger than a credit card that provides Internet access via the Verizon 3G network. Ultimately, there is a question here which relates to the requirement of having a data plan on the iPhone. Is a data plan required? Does ATT offer a limited data plan at a lower cost or is the $30 unlimited plan my only choice. I really don't want to pay for multiple data plans if I can get out of it. Thanks for any thoughts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Macintosh application for tagging .mp3 and other sound files
Not sure this is what you want but I have a huge library that had hundreds of tagging issues with files. I used Pollux to tag all of them. Its $10 and very accurate. Saved me tons of time. Warning, if you don't have a little usable vision or someone with vision to help you it will be difficult to use this as its not really friendly with Voice Over if I recall. On Mar 31, 2010, at 3:18 AM, John André Netland wrote: Hi Krister, Why not use iTunes for this? You will always find the untagged files at the bottom of your song list when all songs are shown. Take care, John André On 31. mars 2010, at 11.31, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Sorry if this has been discussed before, but i would like to know if there's an app out there with which to tag and possible batch tag sound files like mp3s or such? In leopard i could tag a file from Finder but that doesn't seem to be possible anymore so i'm curious as to what people use to tag their files. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: scanner software
Hi, Related to this software discussion is the issue of finding the best scanner. I have been trying to connect an HP PSC1315 to my Mac with no success. Apparently Snow Leopard is the problem somehow. I can make it print as its an all-in-one unit but scanning isn't happening. I've had this for years and have opted to just get something different and recycle the HP. Can someone recommend a good all-in-one unit that will cooperate with the Mac under Snow Leopard. I've spent hours on this HP and am done with the thing! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:18 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: scanner software Hello May, I would strongly advise against ReadIris. The setting to correct page orientation has to be reset every time you launch the application. If you scan the left-hand and right-hand pages at the time, it regularly gets them the wrong way round, making nonsense of the text. It also has a limitation of 50 pages, that is, 50 images at a time. Abbyy FineReader, on the other hand, is extremely good. There is no limitation on the number of pages to be processed at one time, it can recognise up to 3 languages in one document and is cheaper than ReadIris. If your scanner is not supported by Abbyy FineReader, you can always use Image CApture, which comes with your Mac, but which I find a bit laborious to use, or purchase VueScan which does a very good job and is easy to use. Prices: ReadIris Pro 12 - $129 Abbyy FineReader Express - $89 VueScan - $39 for one year, $79 for life. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: mini CD's?
Don't do it! I made that mistake and had to take it to the Apple Store to have it removed. You won't be able to get it out withough store assistance. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mini CD's? Hello Erik, I'm afraid your MBP won't take mini CDs. Cheers, Anne On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:27 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hey guys, I just wanted a quick nook at a driver CD for an old part I have laying around here, and it's a mini CD. Uh, I am really reluctant to just shove this disk into the slot on the side of my mbp. Does any one know if the drive will take these discs? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Connecting HP All-in-One
Hi, Somewhat VO related, somewhat off topic...sorry but I'm at a loss! I have an HP all-in-one printer/copier/fax/scanner that I'm attempting to connect to my Mac for the first time. I have successfully installed the printer driver and enabled the printer to work correctly. I can print from text edit and other programs. However, I can't get the scanner function to work. When I hit the scan button on the unit nothing happens. I am trying to scan in several old photos and then want to use the scanner for OCR purposes. Any ideas on what I'm missing and how I can get the scanner working? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Connecting HP All-in-One
Hi, I thought of that but when I launch Immage Capture it says no devices were detected. On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Larry, I don't know which model you have, but I just launched the image capture program in Applications/Utilities to perform a scan. I have the HP Deskjet Pro L7650. On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, Somewhat VO related, somewhat off topic...sorry but I'm at a loss! I have an HP all-in-one printer/copier/fax/scanner that I'm attempting to connect to my Mac for the first time. I have successfully installed the printer driver and enabled the printer to work correctly. I can print from text edit and other programs. However, I can't get the scanner function to work. When I hit the scan button on the unit nothing happens. I am trying to scan in several old photos and then want to use the scanner for OCR purposes. Any ideas on what I'm missing and how I can get the scanner working? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Blio e-book reader
As I'm sure you noticed, this article says the service will be unveiled at CES which happens this week. I'm looking for the official site now and will post anything I find. Looks really interesting. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Blio e-book reader It appears that it will be available for the ipod touch and iphone but I haven't seen a mention about the mac. I don't know if they're working on it for the mac or if it's not possible. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/blio-ray-kurzweil-book/?utm_source=fe edburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Fgadgets+%28Wired%3A+Ga dgets%29 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Blio e-book reader
Home page at http://www.blioreader.com/ -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Blio e-book reader It appears that it will be available for the ipod touch and iphone but I haven't seen a mention about the mac. I don't know if they're working on it for the mac or if it's not possible. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/blio-ray-kurzweil-book/?utm_source=fe edburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Fgadgets+%28Wired%3A+Ga dgets%29 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Blio e-book reader
I didn't find it in the app store. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:50 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blio e-book reader Reading the first article gives one the impression it is already available for the iPHone and iPod Touch. Maybe I'm just to hopeful. :) On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: This article says it will be out on the Mac http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/29/blio-software-revealed-full-color-book-r eading-software-goes-after-ebook-readers/ CB Christina wrote: It appears that it will be available for the ipod touch and iphone but I haven't seen a mention about the mac. I don't know if they're working on it for the mac or if it's not possible. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/blio-ray-kurzweil-book/?utm_source=fe edburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Fgadgets+%28Wired%3A+Ga dgets%29 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: It's pointless!
Sure, just buy them a mac and take away their old PC. I did it to my wife and it worked. She complained at first but got over it. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jess Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:47 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: It's pointless! Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to convince him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge anybody to convert a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done? Jess -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Using A T T Navigator
Hi Mark, One simple reason I prefer Navigon is the cost factor. In 7 months of using the ATT product you've bought Navigon and, I don't feel the functionality in the ATT product justifies paying $10 per month on an ongoing basis. I suppose I do miss the call feature to get an address and set your destination but to be truthful, I found that unless conditions were optimal the system just didn't recognize streets and numbers all that well. I never got the audio repete button to work. At some point I'll try to do a side-by-side comparison but don't hold your breath. One gripe I guess I'll throw out about Navigon is that one needs more lead time and warning when in a car doing a route with short d distances on a section of the route. It just doesn't announce things soon enough and the inability to see a route summary adds to that frustration. Both didn't seem to be issues on the ATT product as a route summary is available at the touch of a button. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Using A T T Navigator Hello Larry, Thank you for the input. A couple of hours ago, I installed A T T Navigator and I must admit that I was/am very impressed with its ease of use. However, I cannot get the app to repeat the last spoken instruction, either. The pedestrian routing works marvelously well and the business lookup and route summary are superior. If I can only get the repeat button to work ... One feature that amazes me is the fact that one can merely call in the address or intersection and it gets updated to the phone. This is nice for when you are in a moving vehicle and don't want to type in the address via the virtual keyboard. You said that you prefer Navigon? If you have time, can you tell me a couple of reasons why? I'll be honest, I have not looked at Navigon in a while. The last time I checked, which was quite a while ago, I seemed to get stuck. I know that sounds weird but I couldn't seem to make heads or tails of it. I remember not being able to get it to do anything. Since many of the people on this list love Navigon, I will have to install it yet again on my iPhone and give it a whirl. If only Mobile Geo were ported to iPhone, how happy I would be. I wish there was some kind of iPhone app that would announce the names of cross streets as they are passed, like in Geo. Such a feature virtually eliminates the need to ask a bus driver to tell you when your stop is approaching. Oh well. Thank you for any info. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:51 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using A T T Navigator Mark, I too have used ATT Navigator and only recently dropped it in favor of the much preferred Navigon. There are a few on screen buttons that are not accessible. One I found most difficult is a button that you press to cause the app to repeat the last audio instruction. I only could get that to work if I turned off voice over and hit the particular spot on the screen. I found the Navigator app to be very usable but like Navigon better. I'm not familiar with a podcast but several months ago, perhaps in July or early August, I posted a pretty detailed review on how to use the Navigator application. Good luck. On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Matt, This is very interesting to me. You are the first, that I know, to use A T T Navigator. Any information you can share with us on this would be greatly appreciated. You mentioned that the buttons have to be memorized? Please explain. Also, does this work for pedestrian routes as well? To Everyone, If any of you know of a podcast or a tutorial on this, I would greatly Appreciate the link to it. Thank you, Mark -Original Message- From: Matt Roberts [mailto:n9gmr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:30 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is the IPod Touch just a toy, or what? On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:35 AM, M. Taylor wrote: What do you use to plan and follow routes? I currently use ATT Navigator and the Maps application built-in the iPhone. ATT Navigator works well with VoiceOver. Some of the buttons in the program are not labeled, but once you memorize the screen the program is usable. I like the fact you can call in destinations as well as type them in the application. If you have an address in contacts that can be used if you want to go to a particular place. Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar
RE: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users
I don't think so. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of louie Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users Do you think we will have to pay more to read a book that is restricted to visual only? S On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, My wife has a Kindle and, despite the publishers refusing us access, it's actually optional for magazines and books to offer this. My wife has demonstrated the text to speech feature and it's fairly good. Many magazines and some books do still offer the speech option so know that once this change is made to the menus we will enjoy some of what is available. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users Hi Jacob, Jake wrote: But will we be able to actually read the books after the author's guild basically said we have no right to and Amazon caved to them? It can have all the audible menus in the world, but if I can't read the book based on a licensing decision then it's still of no use. That's the next step! and I agree that I'd rather have an accessible iPhone app through Stanza. Cheers, Esther Personally, I'd rather have an accessible version of the iPhone app anyway. $400 simply for an Ebook reader is just too much. Currently, the Kindle II has tts capability for books but only if thepublisher allows it, and most do not thanks to the author's guild. Esther wrote: Hi, I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention on this list of Amazon's announcement that they will update the Kindle 2 and Kindle DX to include an audible menu that will use text-to-speech and add new large fonts to better support vision-impaired users, and will implement these changes in 2010. This has been covered in a few places since yesterday. Here's the press release at Amazon: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060p=irol-newsArticleID=136 2556highlight= A few links to articles reporting on this: . Yahoo (basically the news release) http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Blind-and-VisionImpaired-bw-2422175966.html?x= 0.v=1 . Techflash (has some commentary from the NFB, student reaction, and other description) http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/12/kindle_to_feature_new_tools_for_bli nd_visually_impaired.html and here's some of the older (November 2009) criticism of the Kindle's text-to-speech access from geek.com: http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/kindle-dx-text-to-speech-access-critici zed-2009/ Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users
I'm not saying we should pay for anything but its an option. Once we have access to the device, we are part of the market for this product and we as much as anyone else can choose to purchase materials. Once you purchase the device, you purchase books and magazines as you wish. Obviously you would not purchase a book or magazine that didn't support TTS if you required that. But, understand that you're not being asked to pay for any content at all unless you choose to. On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Jake wrote: Hi Larry But what blind individual in their right mind would pay for access to just some content? I know the tts feature works, if I'm not mistaken it uses Nuance Vocalizer, but as long as it's up to someone else to decide which individual content we have access to then it simply won't be worth my money, especially when we have to buy the books anyway. I won't buy a book and then find out it doesn't have tts allowed, and I shouldn't have to worry about such a thing just because some buttonpusher decided it is a theoretical loss of money for them if I do so. On Dec 8, 3:02 pm, Larry Wanger lsw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My wife has a Kindle and, despite the publishers refusing us access, it's actually optional for magazines and books to offer this. My wife has demonstrated the text to speech feature and it's fairly good. Many magazines and some books do still offer the speech option so know that once this change is made to the menus we will enjoy some of what is available. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users Hi Jacob, Jake wrote: But will we be able to actually read the books after the author's guild basically said we have no right to and Amazon caved to them? It can have all the audible menus in the world, but if I can't read the book based on a licensing decision then it's still of no use. That's the next step! and I agree that I'd rather have an accessible iPhone app through Stanza. Cheers, Esther Personally, I'd rather have an accessible version of the iPhone app anyway. $400 simply for an Ebook reader is just too much. Currently, the Kindle II has tts capability for books but only if thepublisher allows it, and most do not thanks to the author's guild. Esther wrote: Hi, I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention on this list of Amazon's announcement that they will update the Kindle 2 and Kindle DX to include an audible menu that will use text-to-speech and add new large fonts to better support vision-impaired users, and will implement these changes in 2010. This has been covered in a few places since yesterday. Here's the press release at Amazon: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060p=irol-newsArticle... 2556highlight= A few links to articles reporting on this: . Yahoo (basically the news release) http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Blind-and-VisionImpaired-bw-2422175966 0.v=1 . Techflash (has some commentary from the NFB, student reaction, and other description) http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/12/kindle_to_feature_new_tools_... nd_visually_impaired.html and here's some of the older (November 2009) criticism of the Kindle's text-to-speech access from geek.com: http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/kindle-dx-text-to-speech-access-... zed-2009/ Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
Re: Using A T T Navigator
Mark, I too have used ATT Navigator and only recently dropped it in favor of the much preferred Navigon. There are a few on screen buttons that are not accessible. One I found most difficult is a button that you press to cause the app to repeat the last audio instruction. I only could get that to work if I turned off voice over and hit the particular spot on the screen. I found the Navigator app to be very usable but like Navigon better. I'm not familiar with a podcast but several months ago, perhaps in July or early August, I posted a pretty detailed review on how to use the Navigator application. Good luck. On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Matt, This is very interesting to me. You are the first, that I know, to use A T T Navigator. Any information you can share with us on this would be greatly appreciated. You mentioned that the buttons have to be memorized? Please explain. Also, does this work for pedestrian routes as well? To Everyone, If any of you know of a podcast or a tutorial on this, I would greatly Appreciate the link to it. Thank you, Mark -Original Message- From: Matt Roberts [mailto:n9gmr...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:30 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is the IPod Touch just a toy, or what? On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:35 AM, M. Taylor wrote: What do you use to plan and follow routes? I currently use ATT Navigator and the Maps application built-in the iPhone. ATT Navigator works well with VoiceOver. Some of the buttons in the program are not labeled, but once you memorize the screen the program is usable. I like the fact you can call in destinations as well as type them in the application. If you have an address in contacts that can be used if you want to go to a particular place. Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Kindle reader for the Mac
I heard the NFB software would be out the end of this month. Any further word on that? On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:29 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Keep dreaming. The Windows version isn't accessible either. I think our best hope so far for mainstream books in huge quantities is the new eBook reading software from KNFB. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Howard Dupuis wrote: News of an upcoming Kindle reader for the Mac has me hoping -- like Charlie Brown with the football? -- that Amazon will get this one right. They promised back in March that they'd get the text-to-speech feature working on the Kindle menus, but that has come to nothing. The Kindle app for the iPhone/iPod Touch offered some brief hope, but that, too, was a bust. Now, this news has me wondering if maybe, just maybe, Amazon will remember the blind community and ensure that the upcoming Kindle reader for the Mac works with VoiceOver. (I just wrote to them about this, though I expect to get nothing more than a perfunctory thanks, we've forwarded your message along to our Kindle team by way of reply. Still, I persist.) I own a Kindle, and have used it a bit, but it is a terrible pain without being able to access the menus. Missed a sentence? Want to go back a page? Want to re-read that particularly interesting paragraph? Hah! Good luck. You'll likely forget what it was you were after by the time you are able to get somewhere. If the Mac reader works with VO, and if it synchs back to the Kindle ... Yes, you may say I'm a dreamer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=.
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
I don't mind the updates from the Mac site but would rather get the full posting rather than just a half paragraph. I know that one reason updates come in this way is to encourage people to visit the actual site. But, I think its an extra and unnecessary step myself. On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: Hello; I get a lot of email daily from the several lists I'm subscribed to. I don't personally have a problem with the news updates as long as they are really news. I think the more important question with this one is does this mean they have or plan to fix the regular facebook so mac users can start enjoying it again? I understand the iphone is the current wave and all, but I hope that doesn't mean the people at facebook have forgotten about how unaccessible their site is with a mac. Let me know if you have heard or experienced anything different regarding this issue. Thanks, Max On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hi, I don't mean to come over as unsupportive Josh, because I'm 110% behind what you do with lioncourt and maccessibility, to the point where soon after Christmas when my schedule will have changed significantly I'd love to start contributing myself or at least figure out some way of supporting more actively. Having said all that, that wasn't the reply I expected James and Ben would get man. The kind chap who offers me very competitive deals on Viagra usually slightly less than once per day isn't of dissimilar mind when it comes to the actual principal here. It doesn't say anywhere to my knowledge that this list doubles up as a kind of newswire, so perhaps this would be a good point to have one of Cara's polls... she loves 'em! If it turns out that myself James and Ben are grouchy old men so be it, but if not then perhaps you could tweak the automation to deliver automatic posts to the most relevant list? My personal gripe here is that even when I don't pass over one of these automated posts, I only get a snippet of the story. As long as the subject lines are well thought out, which so far they always have been, I'll know whether I want to read a news story or not - having to load the extra page seems superfluous. Again, no treading on toes intended, I just think they have a point where the principal is concerned here and wanted to add a bit of weight. Scott On 9/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt overl...@lioncourt.com wrote: iPhone discussion has always been welcome here. :) The other list is more strictly focused on the iPhone, but we would have to also ban iPod, Airport Express/Extreme, and all sorts of other things from this list if we banned iPhone discussion. After all, the iPhone is used in conjunction with your computer, one of those computer types is the Mac. Cara and I discussed posting the news updates to this list. They have pretty much always been posted by someone, usually me, manually. We've automated the process to give ourselves a little less work. Since the updates average less than a message a day, we feel they are of use to more people than to whom they are an irritation. You can also filter those messages, if you wish, using your mail client's message rules. On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the mv list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things like this would fit in better on the other list? Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara. On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility nore...@maccessibility.net wrote: FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version 3.02. The update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility fixes. The rapidity with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response. The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of unlabeled controls which can be quickly [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en
Bugs in Snow Leopard?
Hi, I've noticed that you can't change the screen contrast from black on white to white on black or, to inverted color scheme. You should be able to hit control, option and command with the number 8 and have it switch. And, in the VO utility it clearly says this as well. However, it won't work on either my Macbook or my wife's Macbook. Anyone else experience this? Also, after upgrading to Snow Leopard the two Macbooks in our house can connect to the network but can't get Internet access. However, the older iMac running OSX 5 and the PC can get to the Internet. Any thoughts here? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Boxee?
Nope, won't work with VO at all. On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:30 AM, hank smith wrote: is it vo friendy?s - Original Message - From: Larry Wanger To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Boxee? Its an entertainment oriented app. Ultimately, you'd hook your computer to your TV. You can access Netflix, Hulu, and all sorts of other online video and audio services in addition to media on your own network. It has bit torrent built in and all sorts of other features. It also allows you to share what you're watching or listening to and you can see what others are checking out as well. A great social networking aspect. It looks very cool. On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:09 AM, hank smith wrote: what does this thing do? - Original Message - From: Larry Wanger To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: Boxee? Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I’m considering downloading and investigating it but thought I’d ask. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Boxee?
Its an entertainment oriented app. Ultimately, you'd hook your computer to your TV. You can access Netflix, Hulu, and all sorts of other online video and audio services in addition to media on your own network. It has bit torrent built in and all sorts of other features. It also allows you to share what you're watching or listening to and you can see what others are checking out as well. A great social networking aspect. It looks very cool. On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:09 AM, hank smith wrote: what does this thing do? - Original Message - From: Larry Wanger To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: Boxee? Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I’m considering downloading and investigating it but thought I’d ask. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
Great review. I was going to wait and get SL later as I didn't seee it as a must have but after reading this I can't wait to get my hands on it. My Macbook Pro is from May of 2007 and I suspect it does not allow for the track pad navigation but the other improvements sound terrific. My poor iMac G5 is a power PC model that is 4 years old now. Its being left in the dust, can't even upgrade it. Too bad. On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote: Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard with VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest iteration of Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective. As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on Snow Leopard. You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Boxee?
Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I'm considering downloading and investigating it but thought I'd ask. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mac Box Set
Hi, I noticed that you can purchase a package that gives you Snow Leopard along with Ilife 09 and iWork 09 as well. I'm wondering about the accessibility of pages and the other apps that are part of the iWork suite. I've heard terrific things about these programs and would love to use them but, before I shell out the money I'd like to find out if VO works with them. Thanks for any help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Mac Box Set
How about Numbers and Pages? Those are the real apps I'd use. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:18 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac Box Set Hi, I've used Pages just a bit. It seems to be mostly accessible, though a few controls don't speak. I could select Blank Document from the list of templates, and the items on the menu speak. I haven't tried to do anything complicated, though. Commands like moving to the next bold text don't work, but I've heard that's supposed to be better in Snow Leopard. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mobile Me again
Hi, I've almost completed the steps to replace Mobile Me services but have one question. One thing I like that Mobile Me does is that it cyncs bookmarks both on my Macs and on my iPhone. Does anyone know of a service or process that will enable me to do this without Mobile Me? I've moved to Gmail and have imap services through Google and have subscribed to a much lower cost off-site backup service and the last thing I need to figure out is syncing bookmarks. Any help is much appreciated. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: FW: ports, firewalls and questions
Right, that's the set up. Sorry if its not quite list appropriate. I'm not sure what I need to do to make this all work on my Mac thus the post to this list. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ben mustill-rose Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FW: ports, firewalls and questions This isn't really a mac issue, its got more to do with the things that connect your computers to the internet. To confirm, your setup looks like: modem airport express computers? On 10/08/2009, Larry Wanger lsw...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try this again. Hi, Yesterday I found myself trying to get a couple of services/applications working on my Mac that require me to allow access to ports and seemingly complex setup options. I first was trying to set up an application called Ootunes that enables you to stream your iTunes library from computers or web enabled devices away from your home computer. I plan on streaming it to my iPhone but the problem is with setting everything up on my Mac. In this case, Ootunes has a test program you can run that checks if you can access your network computer from outside. The test failed saying it could not access port 1972 and because my firewall blocked access. In the second situation I was trying to set up off-site backup through Mozy. The instructions said I needed to forward a port but I am unsure of how to do this as well. I'm thinking that in the first, if not both cases, the fact that I have the firewall in the OS plus the firewall on my wireless Apple Airport Express running in addition to being behind the actual modem is causing problems. I went in to security and allowed access for all applications but it still would not pass the testing for Ootunes. Does anyone have experience with this and would they be able to offer some help either via email or off list? Thanks. -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
ports, firewalls and questions
Hi, Yesterday I sunnenly found myself trying to get a couple of services/applications working on my Mac that require me to allow access to ports and seemingly complex setup options. I first was trying to set up an application called ootunes that enables you to stream your iTunes library from computers or web enabled devices away from your home computer. I plan on streaming it to my iPhone but the problem is with setting everything up on my Mac. In this case, Ootunes has a test program you can run that checks if you can access your network computer from outside. The test failed saying it could not access port 1972 and because my firewall blocked access. In the second situation I was trying to set up off-site backup through Mozy. The instructions said I needed to forward a port but I am unsure of how to do this as well. I'm thinking that in the first, if not both cases, the fact that I have the firewall in the OS plus the firewall on my wireless Apple Airport Express running in addition to being behind the actual modem is causing problems. Does anyone have experience with this and would they be able to offer some help either via email or off list? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
FW: ports, firewalls and questions
Let me try this again. Hi, Yesterday I found myself trying to get a couple of services/applications working on my Mac that require me to allow access to ports and seemingly complex setup options. I first was trying to set up an application called Ootunes that enables you to stream your iTunes library from computers or web enabled devices away from your home computer. I plan on streaming it to my iPhone but the problem is with setting everything up on my Mac. In this case, Ootunes has a test program you can run that checks if you can access your network computer from outside. The test failed saying it could not access port 1972 and because my firewall blocked access. In the second situation I was trying to set up off-site backup through Mozy. The instructions said I needed to forward a port but I am unsure of how to do this as well. I'm thinking that in the first, if not both cases, the fact that I have the firewall in the OS plus the firewall on my wireless Apple Airport Express running in addition to being behind the actual modem is causing problems. I went in to security and allowed access for all applications but it still would not pass the testing for Ootunes. Does anyone have experience with this and would they be able to offer some help either via email or off list? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ports, firewalls and questions
Hi, Just tried my ip address in the browser and got something about apache or something. I'm going to the airport utility now. I remember seeing something about port forwarding there but can'tt remember. Its been a while. On Aug 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: A lot of routers are usually accessed via the web browser by going to an ip address, but couldn't Larry access the AE by opening up airport utility rather than going into the browser? I don't think any of the airport routers have a web interface of any kind, like that of a linksys, netgear router, or any other brand. On Aug 10, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Larry, I can't be sure, but it sounds to me like you need to go into the settings of Airport Express and forward a port. You will access it through your browser with an IP address that you will have to read the documentation to find. I can't tell you what it is because I don't use it. I very much doubt that the problem is in the OS10 fire wall, but if you want to be sure you can turn it off until you get this squared away. As long as you are behind the Airport express, you are protected by nat.. - Original Message - From: Larry Wanger lsw...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: FW: ports, firewalls and questions Let me try this again. Hi, Yesterday I found myself trying to get a couple of services/applications working on my Mac that require me to allow access to ports and seemingly complex setup options. I first was trying to set up an application called Ootunes that enables you to stream your iTunes library from computers or web enabled devices away from your home computer. I plan on streaming it to my iPhone but the problem is with setting everything up on my Mac. In this case, Ootunes has a test program you can run that checks if you can access your network computer from outside. The test failed saying it could not access port 1972 and because my firewall blocked access. In the second situation I was trying to set up off-site backup through Mozy. The instructions said I needed to forward a port but I am unsure of how to do this as well. I'm thinking that in the first, if not both cases, the fact that I have the firewall in the OS plus the firewall on my wireless Apple Airport Express running in addition to being behind the actual modem is causing problems. I went in to security and allowed access for all applications but it still would not pass the testing for Ootunes. Does anyone have experience with this and would they be able to offer some help either via email or off list? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
Josh, I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I am more productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could with my Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had terrible luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I have pages of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote this before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear about how he feels. And, like it or not, he's a leader if you want to call him that, in the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional sense; I mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness technology providers in the world and with that role comes some responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the opportunity to set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on my iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an advanced camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a lot better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he would be willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone has been in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never even held one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response he might give now would be baseless. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
I don't think anyone is afraid of criticism, just criticism written by those who have not used the product for any length of time and therefore are writing reviews and the like without practical experience. If you're going to level criticism you'd better have the knowledge and experience to back up your claims. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Dietz Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:54 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get home). Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the iPhone was almost deliriously positive. I don't even think his assessment was so blaringly negative as lots seem to think it was - just some thoughts on challenges one might face. For all the flack organizations like the NFB get for writing articles which criticize voiceover, I don't think it's fair to say Mosen was slamming the iPhone or that all of the points NFB made were invalid. I think we'd be taken a little more seriously if we could accept criticism. I'm definitely not saying that the iPhone is crap or anything close - I actually think I'd be able to type more effectively on it than my current phone as once I jab one of the tiny little keyboard buttons the letter has been typed (and it's often th ewrong one since buttons are hard to locate). I'm just saying that some of the functionality is tied to the viusal interface, making it a little more cumbersome to access. From what Shane said on the podcast, the battery icon was a very small icon which makes it difficult to touch with the tip of one's finger. He often had lots of trouble locating icons himself - I remember he spent at least a minute lookking for the address bar in safari. Of course he just received his iPhone, but in a pinch buttons which are tied to specific actions when pressed and are (for the most part) guaranteed to perform such an action once pressed are easier to remember for most since that's what they are used to. Easier to locate too, as they feel physically different to the fingertips. The iPhone isn't necessarily right for everyone. On 7/13/09, John Panarese t...@optonline.net wrote: I assume one could search for it now. It's been a while and since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother downloading the actual article. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello John and all: I know this has been asked so please forgive me. Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the special interests of the article's author. A quick attempt to try to take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the picture. Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to deal with as technology as progressed. Once again, Apple has done what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at best. It's actually quite sad. When VoiceOver first came out and I heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen reader on the Mac was bad for the blind, I knew then that there were going to be some people who would rather put politics and special interests ahead of advancement for blind users. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile device I am using currently and don't much care for. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, if enough of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more each year in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other product and the markets they compete in. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's case, I have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations from that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit down with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his findings. I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his position regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, you'd accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had with a particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice to see their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a very much I don't care attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the very least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid Mac when you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, the market being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of these folks over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a competitor now and any competition is a threat. On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: Josh, I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I am more productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could with my Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had terrible luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I have pages of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote this before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear about how he feels. And, like it or not, he's a leader if you want to call him that, in the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional sense; I mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness technology providers in the world and with that role comes some responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the opportunity to set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on my iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an advanced camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a lot better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he would be willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone has been in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never even held one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response he might give now would be baseless. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
For me it's a couple of things. The phone and how you do things is just more intuitive. It just makes sense. Its hard to explain this until you try it. Second, it's the apps. Apple warned us that we may not have ready access to significant numbers of apps because the accessibility standards were new. But, I think I speak for many people when I say that I've been blown away at what does work. With just a few finger flicks I can check out reviews and info on the latest movies, get the weather, find a new place to dine, read the news, check my email, maybe listen to some tunes, and manage my calendar and an endless list of things. I'm sorry, surfing the web was terrible on my Blackjack. I had to turn a wheel, click buttons and all sorts of things and even still did not have the easy navigation on the net like I do on the iPhone. The tight integration with the Mac is great too. Bottom line, its comfortable, easy to use and there are apps out there that enable me to access almost anything. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Damon Fibraio Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:22 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Article Slamming the iPhone OK. I understand what you are saying. But is there anything about the I-phone beyond that? I mean, featurewise or functionality. I am replying to somebody who said they get more from the i-phone than they get from their windows mobile phone and I am curious to know why. What is different? I mean, I have been on the net with my blackjack 2. Why is the i-phone better and easier? What else does the i-phone do besides make calls and get on the net, for example? This goes beyond the fact that voice over is built in and it saves money. I got that part. I just hear that people are finding this more powerful than a windows smart phone and I am curious to know how. -- Damon Fibraio screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibr...@comcast.net. skype: dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. Band web sites: THD, http://www.thdband.com. Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:11 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone Well let me put it into perspective from my point of view. When it comes right down to it, cost, cost, and cost. All the adaptive solutions you mention cost lots of money. I'm by no means unable to afford the adaptive solutions, but I also realize that the adaptive market is small and the cost will be considerably more do to the limited market. However, why should I pay oh, maybe $150 for the phone, $300 or so for the screen reader, and then another $895 for the GPS solution. So, now I have invested $1,345 into a phone that will get me around and generally offer me fairly accessible benefits to some apps. Where now with the iPhone I can spend $199 or $299 and get great access to pretty much anything I need, tight integration with my Mac without needing a third-party app that I would likely have to pay for, and a future of other capabilities that will not cost me nearly as much. So, really in my opinion I'd rather spend the money on other things and really to be honest, it always will come down to what works for you and fits within your budget. If you are happy with the setup you have, then that is great and I am pleased for you. However, the other thing here is choice and that is probably a close second in my book. Having choice is great and yes, it is also great that I can just go to the Apple store and buy the phone if I choose to do so and be up and running right away. I don't have to unregister and reregister a phone etc. Now of course don't take my message as picking on you or any of the developers of the software, I'm merely answering your question with my opinion. Again , hey what works for you is all that matters in the end and you are happy with your choice because you are the one using it, not me. :) On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote: OK, consider me a newbie. I have a Samsung blackjack 2 windows mobile smart phone with mobile speak and was planning on purchasing mobile geo. I keep hearing everybody going absolutely crazy over access to the I-phone. Can somebody tell me why this is so great? I don't really understand the hype. I do understand we get access right out of the box with voice over. I do understand that once you get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures and whatnot that this is really great access, according to what everybody is saying. But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making everybody turn inside out? I'd love to understand this, so any help you can provide would be great. I
RE: Article Slamming the iPhone
I've been trying to get my head around an idea of creating a screen cover with markings or even Braille on it for the keyboard. The problem though for starters is that the keyboard changes and is contextual. In some text fields, where you're entering email addresses for example, the keyboard adds the period, @ sign and even a .com button. In other cases those symbols are not present on the main keyboard and you need to hit the more button to access these functions. Therefore, I think creating an overlay would be challenging but its something I've thought of. _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J keys are supposed to be? If not, I could see why it would take some people a little too long to find the virtual home row. If somebody can't find the home row, it will probably be a struggle to type each key. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen. Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient, and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable. Once you are, it's fantastic. :) Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
Yes, I read it. What do you expectt from leadership of companies being turned on their ear by the Apple accessibility model? Its a growing problem for them. Too bad! On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: Did anyone read the article forwarded by Jonathan Mosen on various lists, which slammed the iPhone? I got it from a friend of mine and I told her that, if she had any prejudices against the iPhone, to talk to people who has the iPhone and can speak from firsthand experiences. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. PS I plan to purchase my iPhone in August. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Article Slamming the iPhone
This comes up when you do a search for Mosen and iPhone on Google. Written before the iPhone with VO came to market I might add. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@x To: blindpho...@xx Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:15 PM Subject: iPhone, a Reality Check There's been some pretty lively discussion on Twitter since the announcement of the new iPhone, which some are calling accessible. As 140 characters can be quite limiting, I thought I would make some extended comment through this list. There seems to be a great deal of excitement over the fact that Apple have put a screen reader into the iPhone. For no extra cost, someone can go to ATT in the US, or your iPhone carrier in other countries, pick up an iPhone, and get speech without installing any additional software. It can be made to talk by enabling the feature from the PC, so no sighted assistance is required. At face value, the principle is an enticing one, although the concept is not entirely new. Phones such as some of the LG range have offered an out of box experience that has varied in its degree of accessibility for some time. There is also the question of how easily we as blind people can influence product enhancements. But hats off to Apple for getting this done for sure. Just because we're blind, doesn't mean we're immune to the latest trend and marketing hype. Sighted iPhone devotees love the look of the iPhone, and its touch screen. So there are blind people who want an iPhone because it's trendy. There's nothing inherently wrong with this either. If we want to be part of the latest big thing, it is wrong for consumers that happen to be blind to be locked out. It is worth baring in mind though that Nokia still well outsells all of its competitors put together in the global market. We all use our phones for different purposes, and perhaps it is true that because screen readers have only run on smartphones, some of us are using smartphones when we otherwise wouldn't be. A smartphone is all about productivity. Getting information in and out of the device with ease is critical. There are comments in the Apple documentation, found at http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html that intrigue me with respect to reviewing what is on the screen. They say in part: What makes VoiceOver on iPhone truly remarkable is that you control it using simple gestures that let you physically interact with items on screen. It's easy to learn and fun to use. Instead of memorizing hundreds of keyboard commands, or endlessly pressing tiny arrow keys to find what you're looking for, with VoiceOver, you simply touch the screen to hear a description of the item under your finger, then gesture with a double-tap, drag, or flick to control the phone. VoiceOver delivers an experience unlike any screen reader you've ever used before. Traditional screen readers describe individual elements on the screen, but struggle to communicate where each element is located or provide information about adjoining objects. This contextual information is very important but typically filtered out by other screen readers. For example, off-screen models used by traditional screen readers to represent applications and web pages intentionally strip away contextual information and describe web pages as a list or menu of items. But with VoiceOver on iPhone 3G S, you'll experience something entirely new. So say the people at Apple. It seems they are indulging in some serious hyperbole here. As a Talks and Mobile Speak user who uses a lot of the screen readers' functionality, it is simply not the case that there are hundreds of commands to remember. Further, are arrow keys and a keyboard or number pad really so bad? It would appear to me to be an optimal interface for a blind person to use. But the really interesting philosophical point for me relates to their comment about knowing where information appears on the screen. Apple says this is important. But this begs the question, who says that where information appears on the screen of a phone is important? Not many, if any, blind people. We're not talking about formatting complex documents here. We want to get at our information, whether that be reading a message or checking our battery status, efficiently. I've used accessible phones for six years now. Never once has it even occurred to me to wonder where the power and battery status appears on the screen of my phone. Why should it? Irrespective of where it appears, I want a foolproof, 100% guaranteed way of hearing that information without fuss. The description on the Apple site simply seeks to turn what is a negative for us, the lack of arrow keys and a real
Can't log on to Macbook Pro
ÎHi, I'm having a problem with logging in to my Macbook Pro and hope someone can offer some help. I'll try to be concise here but this is a bit of a long story. 1. For some reason when I turned on my Macbook last week it would not boot up. I hear the startup sound and the apple logo appears on screen but it won't go further. 2. After doing some reading it appeared that the best course of action was to insert the OSX Leopard disk and re-install the OS but not to delete the existing contents of the drive. 3. I inserted the Mac OSX installation disk, turned off the machine and re-started while holding down the C key. 4. The OSX installation began and I was able to re-install everything. 5. The machine re-started after the installation and took mee to the usual log-in screen. The screen shows me as the admin user, has my picture and my name and asks for the password for the account. This is the only account on the machine and I am obviously the admin. 6. I typed in the password that I had before the system had these problems and it would not accept it. I had it reveal the password hint which is exactly the same as previous. I absolutely do remember the password and have used the same one for almost a year now with no problems. I conclude the account still exists because my user account is still showing at log-in. I've tried a couple of solutions here, the most promising seemed to be that you could launch the OSX installation disk again and get to a utilities option rather than installing anything. However, I can't locate a utilities button anywhere. Has this happened to anyone and do you have any suggestions about how to deal with this. Unfortunately, I have some but not all of the contents of this drive backed-up and would seriously rather not end up having to format it. Thanks for any help you can offer. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't log on to Macbook Pro
Very strange. I changed botth the system admin and my user passwords and neither would work. I'm going to now end up creating a new account and archiving the old data from the previous account. Yuck! I justt don't know what happened here. On Jul 5, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Dan suggested you use the install DVD and under utilities use the reset password option. If this does not work for some reason, you can create a new account and delete the old one. WHen you delete the old account, it will give you the opportunity to save the contents of the user account you are deleting. This way you can recover the data. I recommend you make a backup of the home folder regardless of what you do as an extra safety measure. On Jul 5, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: ÎHi, I'm having a problem with logging in to my Macbook Pro and hope someone can offer some help. I'll try to be concise here but this is a bit of a long story. 1. For some reason when I turned on my Macbook last week it would not boot up. I hear the startup sound and the apple logo appears on screen but it won't go further. 2. After doing some reading it appeared that the best course of action was to insert the OSX Leopard disk and re-install the OS but not to delete the existing contents of the drive. 3. I inserted the Mac OSX installation disk, turned off the machine and re-started while holding down the C key. 4. The OSX installation began and I was able to re-install everything. 5. The machine re-started after the installation and took mee to the usual log-in screen. The screen shows me as the admin user, has my picture and my name and asks for the password for the account. This is the only account on the machine and I am obviously the admin. 6. I typed in the password that I had before the system had these problems and it would not accept it. I had it reveal the password hint which is exactly the same as previous. I absolutely do remember the password and have used the same one for almost a year now with no problems. I conclude the account still exists because my user account is still showing at log-in. I've tried a couple of solutions here, the most promising seemed to be that you could launch the OSX installation disk again and get to a utilities option rather than installing anything. However, I can't locate a utilities button anywhere. Has this happened to anyone and do you have any suggestions about how to deal with this. Unfortunately, I have some but not all of the contents of this drive backed-up and would seriously rather not end up having to format it. Thanks for any help you can offer. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optical character recognition for iPhone
Developers of hardware have access to the port on the iPhone 3GS I believe and therefore isn't it possible that someone could develop an extension for the camera that offers a better camera attachment? On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:39 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good evening, I did give that some thought. To the best of my knowledge the camera on the iPhone is 3 megapixel whereas the camera on the KNFB Reader (comparable device) is 5 megapixel. Thanks, Everett Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 14-Jun-09, at 4:11 PM, Justin Harford wrote: It's extremely doubtful that an application like this would be very useful on the latest iPhone 3gs model since it's camera isn't yet powerful enough. But perhaps the focus feature could help it make up for its low amount of pixels? Justin Harford On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I went looking for this Raspbery application and can not find it. Its not on the app store and I don't find anything with a Google search. Do you have a link? On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: HI, All, Raspbery Reader is designed for such a purpose. Regards, Alex, On 14-Jun-09, at 6:42 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good morning, Curious if anyone knows if there is currently an OCR app for the iPhone? If you know of any I'd love to know their names so that I can contact their devlopers regarding making the app accessible with Voiceover as quickly as possible. With an out of the box accessible phone, with built-in camera and 3rd party accessible OCR software many peoples lives would be greatly improved. Thanks, Everett Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iTunes keyboard shortcut
Hi, I have a very large iTunes library and, ahead of receiving my new 32GB iPhone, I'm going through it and deciding what I want to have sync to the new phone. I'm essentially trying to go through and uncheck songs that I don't want to have sync and then will check the option in preferences to only have checked items sync. I'm wondering if there is a keyboard shortcut in general or through VO to quickly check or uncheck an item. I've figured out how to do this with larger lists and, I've noted that I can bring up the menu under individual items and select the appropriate action but this is time consuming. Any suggestions on how to do this more efficiently? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility
Hi, I think the iPod is different than the iPhone. The iPhone is a much more dynamic platform and I think that there could be many messages about the iPhone both at the release and then over time. There is certainly a group of people on the current list that are only Mac users and may not want the bother of all the iPhone related traffic. On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: Why do we have to have a separate list for every single thing that happens regarding voiceover and such like? Are we going to have a separate list for Ipod too? It just fragments things and makes it impossible to follow things. But if that's what people want, that's fine with me. Has there been a request for a separate list for IPhone? Best wishes Simon On 12 Jun 2009, at 21:47, Cara Quinn wrote: Hello All; I've just started a list called VIPhone, (Visually Impaired - IPhone) on GoogleGroups to discuss the new Apple IPhone 3GS. the url is: http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone Please feel free to share this url anywhere you like, to anyone you feel might want to discuss this sort of thing. The list is both for those of us whom are early-adopters, as well as for anyone whom may have questions / political views etc on the new IPhone. As far as list etiquette goes, as far as I'm concerned, the list will reflect the character of its members. smile -You want flame wars, fine, have them! -Want a friendly, welcoming, well-informed list, then wonderful! You've got that! You'll have the list you create! If there's something drastic, and I need to step in as mod, then be assured, I will; other than that, -Be the list you want… Enjoy and let's explore the IPhone together!… Smiles, Cara :) --- Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4 issue
Try command with backspace instead. On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: Hey all. i'm having a safari 4 issue. when i try to go back with command left arrow, it doesn't go back like it did in version 3. is there a fix for this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
To throw some more fuel on this discussion, Apple tends to be a company that plans ahead and has a road map in terms of where it is going. Wouldn't you think that they knew that over time they anticipated adding voice over to the iPhone? And, we know that VO was on the Mac for a few years previous to it going to the iPhone. It would seem that as they helped developers design applications that they have been giving them the tools to make them accessible? So, what I'm really saying is that yesterday might not have been the first time that developers heard about VO on the iPhone. Or, its possible that they've just been developing applications following design specifications from Apple that will enable us to have good access to a lot of the applications. Not sure, just thinking. I'm thinking that games and some of the other very graphical applications won't work for us but many are very text rich and that could work. Also, I know there is a Kendle application and I wonder if we can get access to those books? On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: I might be wrong, but Mac OS X has been around for quite a long time now, and it is possible to create Mac compatible apps without using the Cocoa framework. This is were I might really be wrong, but from what I heard yesterday from the WWDC keynote, and from what I've read, developers who make iPhone apps can only use a series of tools provided by Apple, with some 1000 API's, to create their software. So in such a restricted environment (that is, if I'm still not really wrong) shouldn't most apps just work with VO? Ignasi On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: HI, YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE. ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in the first place. All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat accessible from the start. No? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Scott, In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are saying. Apple and att have an exclusive contract. The length of this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies have an exclusive deal in the United States. On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to determine if it fits your needs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
I've never heard of such restrictions on the iPhone. Apple had restricted GPS functionality on the previous versions of the iPhone but those have been lifted. The company that showed their application yesterday was TomTom. I suspect this application is geared to drivers and not people like you and I who are walking. On Jun 9, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote: I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility with the maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually obligated to stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it. - Original Message - From: Larry Wanger lsw...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is what this is all about. You have another choice. Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes is not required. A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen. Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it. GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones, I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS receiver as most of us do now. It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of value. So, maybe its in the works. However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone you use. On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi guys, I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring and the hart started thumping. It was better than my third cup of coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some anticipation, smiles. Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the second one... OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in the trash any time soon. First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man. An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person. So forget it for the time being at least. So far, we have no braille display support. I haven't read anything about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on ocasion. So it's really exciting to see the support coming along. I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an hour. But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these features are tested and true. So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do get... ITunes. You need ITunes to sync your calendar and contacts? ...seriously? What happened to ISync? Forget it. I can't wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole mess. Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes to sync my calendar and contacts? No thank you. ITunes is getting the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone. Not that I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine. My only problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync. Oh, and ITunes doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally hate being forced into using software that I don't like... Fwew! So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and paste file transfers. Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really viable here where CDMA is king. I'm using gsm, and would be more ore less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price
RE: Reading large amounts of text on a web page
And, that's just nuts Apple. This is one particular area where JAWS is far and away better. Taking all of these steps just to read a full web page from one point to another is insane. Apple, are you listening? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:52 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reading large amounts of text on a web page Hello Mike, Yes, you can start from a particular point and read to the end of a web page. It's easiest if you have all your cursors tracking one another: . Find the point from which you wish to start (it must not be a link); . Click 3 times with the physical mouse; . Move to end (VO-Shift-End), it must not be a link; . Hold down Shift key and click with the physical mouse: . Use the Start Speaking Text command. It's quite quick to do when you get used to it, but it's best to have set a shortcut for Start Speaking Text. Cheers, Anne On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Mike wrote: Hi all: Is there a method of reading large amounts of text on a web page using VO? Right now, I have to use the VO right arrow to read line by line. TNX: Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
