RE: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

[etscrivani via MacVisionaries]

Thank you. I will look into it, but for now I’ve lost my patience with it. I’ll 
look into your suggestions at a later time but for now I need to walk away from 
it. 

 

Eileen

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Behalf Of pdevasto0...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 1:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

 

Hi Eileen,

 

Yes you should be able to have more than one Braille display in your list that 
you can switch back and fourth to. I’ve got three on my phone, running iOS 16.

 

As for Brailling lowercase, go to Voiceover Settings > Braille, and look at 
Braille Input. I’ll bet it’ll say 6 dot. You can changis to 8-dot and you 
should then be able to type using dot 7 for uppercase. You might also want to 
look at Braille output to make sure that,too, is set to 8 dot. I seem to 
remember by default it’s set to 6.

 

Hope this helps,

Pete De Vasto 

 

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Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 10:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

 

Hi,

 

Thanks, I was able to connect. Only issue was that I had to remove a different 
braille display that had been paired that I no longer use in order to allow the 
Brailliant 40 to connect via Bluetooth. Is it possible to have more than one 
braille display listed as a Bluetooth device? One other issue is when I tried 
typing in on the display, trying to type an  upper case letter it would not 
take. I had to type everything in lower case.

 

Thanks again.

 

Eileen

 

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Behalf Of Maurice A. Mines
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 10:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

 

Hi, all you need to do is go into utilities and go to voiceover utilities 
underneath that you will find options go down to braille go to the fourth tab 
which is displays and you can start the pairing process there. Please follow 
whatever your displays manual says it’s a procedure for setting up Bluetooth 
braille. I hope this helps. I have had to do this myself personally. I went 
from an old Intel MacBook Pro, to a new M2 MacBook Pro. The only issues I am 
having unfortunately is I can’t get my braille display to play along when using 
a virtual windows machine. But I have had good comments about  Mac dictation. 
Because I have a written expression disorder on top of being deaf blind. So I 
rely on braille heavily. Be well everyone. By the way, I will need to update 
the signature file. I’m going to write the best email address List to reach me 
at. But don’t send anything to the email listed in the signature block. I will 
be working on updating that today.  My new persnale email  address is 
maur...@maurice-amines.com <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com> . My Nfb Deafbl 
Division email address is presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com 
<mailto:presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com> . Have a great  Saturday 
everyone.

Sent from my iPhone. 

Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org <mailto:mmi...@mauricemines.org> 

  text number 661-868-9647.
Fax no 661-449-3746.


President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay number 
661-249-9715.
Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
chapter.

amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.

 

On Sep 23, 2023, at 14:19, etscrivani via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi All,

 

I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I want 
to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I cannot 
remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under VO 
utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also tried 
system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that sounded 
like the right setting choices.

 

Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use with 
my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I’m trying to pair 
it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro when I want 
to use it there. I hope that makes sense.

 

Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated.

 

Eileen

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RE: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

[pdevasto0219]

Hi Eileen,

 

Yes you should be able to have more than one Braille display in your list that 
you can switch back and fourth to. I’ve got three on my phone, running iOS 16.

 

As for Brailling lowercase, go to Voiceover Settings > Braille, and look at 
Braille Input. I’ll bet it’ll say 6 dot. You can changis to 8-dot and you 
should then be able to type using dot 7 for uppercase. You might also want to 
look at Braille output to make sure that,too, is set to 8 dot. I seem to 
remember by default it’s set to 6.

 

Hope this helps,

Pete De Vasto 

 

From: etscrivani via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 10:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

 

Hi,

 

Thanks, I was able to connect. Only issue was that I had to remove a different 
braille display that had been paired that I no longer use in order to allow the 
Brailliant 40 to connect via Bluetooth. Is it possible to have more than one 
braille display listed as a Bluetooth device? One other issue is when I tried 
typing in on the display, trying to type an  upper case letter it would not 
take. I had to type everything in lower case.

 

Thanks again.

 

Eileen

 

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Maurice A. Mines
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 10:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

 

Hi, all you need to do is go into utilities and go to voiceover utilities 
underneath that you will find options go down to braille go to the fourth tab 
which is displays and you can start the pairing process there. Please follow 
whatever your displays manual says it’s a procedure for setting up Bluetooth 
braille. I hope this helps. I have had to do this myself personally. I went 
from an old Intel MacBook Pro, to a new M2 MacBook Pro. The only issues I am 
having unfortunately is I can’t get my braille display to play along when using 
a virtual windows machine. But I have had good comments about  Mac dictation. 
Because I have a written expression disorder on top of being deaf blind. So I 
rely on braille heavily. Be well everyone. By the way, I will need to update 
the signature file. I’m going to write the best email address List to reach me 
at. But don’t send anything to the email listed in the signature block. I will 
be working on updating that today.  My new persnale email  address is 
maur...@maurice-amines.com <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com> . My Nfb Deafbl 
Division email address is presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com 
<mailto:presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com> . Have a great  Saturday 
everyone.

Sent from my iPhone. 

Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org <mailto:mmi...@mauricemines.org> 

  text number 661-868-9647.
Fax no 661-449-3746.


President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay number 
661-249-9715.
Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
chapter.

amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.

 

On Sep 23, 2023, at 14:19, etscrivani via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi All,

 

I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I want 
to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I cannot 
remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under VO 
utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also tried 
system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that sounded 
like the right setting choices.

 

Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use with 
my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I’m trying to pair 
it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro when I want 
to use it there. I hope that makes sense.

 

Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated.

 

Eileen

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RE: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

[etscrivani via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, as I just mentioned in a different message I had to remove a previously 
associated braille display that I no longer use in order to connect my 
brailliant 40 via Bluetooth.

 

Eileen

 

 

From: 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 10:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

 

VoiceOver Utility -> Braille -> Displays tab -> Add button to add a Bluetooth 
braille display.

 

From: etscrivani via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:19
To: Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

Hi All,

 

I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I want 
to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I cannot 
remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under VO 
utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also tried 
system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that sounded 
like the right setting choices.

 

Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use with 
my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I’m trying to pair 
it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro when I want 
to use it there. I hope that makes sense.

 

Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated.

 

Eileen

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RE: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

[etscrivani via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

 

Thanks, I was able to connect. Only issue was that I had to remove a different 
braille display that had been paired that I no longer use in order to allow the 
Brailliant 40 to connect via Bluetooth. Is it possible to have more than one 
braille display listed as a Bluetooth device? One other issue is when I tried 
typing in on the display, trying to type an  upper case letter it would not 
take. I had to type everything in lower case.

 

Thanks again.

 

Eileen

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Maurice A. Mines
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2023 10:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

 

Hi, all you need to do is go into utilities and go to voiceover utilities 
underneath that you will find options go down to braille go to the fourth tab 
which is displays and you can start the pairing process there. Please follow 
whatever your displays manual says it’s a procedure for setting up Bluetooth 
braille. I hope this helps. I have had to do this myself personally. I went 
from an old Intel MacBook Pro, to a new M2 MacBook Pro. The only issues I am 
having unfortunately is I can’t get my braille display to play along when using 
a virtual windows machine. But I have had good comments about  Mac dictation. 
Because I have a written expression disorder on top of being deaf blind. So I 
rely on braille heavily. Be well everyone. By the way, I will need to update 
the signature file. I’m going to write the best email address List to reach me 
at. But don’t send anything to the email listed in the signature block. I will 
be working on updating that today.  My new persnale email  address is 
maur...@maurice-amines.com <mailto:maur...@maurice-amines.com> . My Nfb Deafbl 
Division email address is presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com 
<mailto:presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com> . Have a great  Saturday 
everyone.

Sent from my iPhone. 

Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org <mailto:mmi...@mauricemines.org> 

  text number 661-868-9647.
Fax no 661-449-3746.


President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay number 
661-249-9715.
Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield 
chapter.

amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.





On Sep 23, 2023, at 14:19, etscrivani via MacVisionaries 
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Hi All,

 

I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I want 
to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I cannot 
remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under VO 
utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also tried 
system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that sounded 
like the right setting choices.

 

Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use with 
my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I’m trying to pair 
it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro when I want 
to use it there. I hope that makes sense.

 

Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated.

 

Eileen

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Re: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

[roni mathew]

Hello, I'd also recommend powering down and restarting the braille display itself, so it is disconnected from your Bookpro.  It can still be paired for connection, but just making sure  the display  is not waiting for the Bookpro to connect, while your Bookair is attempting to locate and pair with it.I find I have to do this with my displays when switching between several Iphones,  Iphone and IPAD, and between an iphone and android device. I don't remove the pairing on the iphone, just make sure braille display is clear of the connection, and then search for it as you might have in the past.I hope this helps. Roni MathewOn Sep 23, 2023, at 10:19 AM, etscrivani via MacVisionaries  wrote:
Hi All, I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I want to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I cannot remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under VO utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also tried system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that sounded like the right setting choices. Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use with my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I’m trying to pair it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro when I want to use it there. I hope that makes sense. Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated. Eileen



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Re: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hi, all you need to do is go into utilities and go to voiceover utilities underneath that you will find options go down to braille go to the fourth tab which is displays and you can start the pairing process there. Please follow whatever your displays manual says it’s a procedure for setting up Bluetooth braille. I hope this helps. I have had to do this myself personally. I went from an old Intel MacBook Pro, to a new M2 MacBook Pro. The only issues I am having unfortunately is I can’t get my braille display to play along when using a virtual windows machine. But I have had good comments about  Mac dictation. Because I have a written _expression_ disorder on top of being deaf blind. So I rely on braille heavily. Be well everyone. By the way, I will need to update the signature file. I’m going to write the best email address List to reach me at. But don’t send anything to the email listed in the signature block. I will be working on updating that today.  My new persnale email  address is maur...@maurice-amines.com. My Nfb Deafbl Division email address is presidentdeafbl...@maurice-amines.com. Have a great  Saturday everyone.Sent from my iPhone. Email, mmi...@mauricemines.org  text number 661-868-9647.Fax no 661-449-3746.President, National Federation of the blind Deafblind division. IP relay number 661-249-9715.Vice President national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield chapter.amateur radio, call sign, kd0iko.On Sep 23, 2023, at 14:19, etscrivani via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi All, I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I want to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I cannot remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under VO utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also tried system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that sounded like the right setting choices. Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use with my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I’m trying to pair it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro when I want to use it there. I hope that makes sense. Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated. Eileen



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Re: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

VoiceOver Utility -> Braille -> Displays tab -> Add button to add a Bluetooth 
braille display.

From: etscrivani via MacVisionaries 
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:19
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.
Hi All,

I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I want 
to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I cannot 
remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under VO 
utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also tried 
system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that sounded 
like the right setting choices.

Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use with 
my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I’m trying to pair 
it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro when I want 
to use it there. I hope that makes sense.

Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated.

Eileen
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Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

[etscrivani via MacVisionaries]

Hi All,

 

I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I
want to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I
cannot remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under
VO utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also
tried system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that
sounded like the right setting choices.

 

Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use
with my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I'm trying
to pair it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro
when I want to use it there. I hope that makes sense.

 

Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated.

 

Eileen

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Re: braille translation on mac os

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I would expect Duxbury Braille Translator for Mac to do reverse translation.

> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:13, Sight Shots  wrote:
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> I am actually not really sure which.
> Sorry, maybe someone else can help.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Andrei Motin
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> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 6:39 PM joseph hodge  wrote:
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> > me, but how do you back translate .BRF books into  text without having to 
> > go in  windows to do it? I thought lib Louis did it, but I don’t remember 
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Re: braille translation on mac os

[Jonathan Cohn]

NO, Braille Blaster does not do reverse translation.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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>> On Nov 6, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
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>> but how do you back translate .BRF books into  text without having to go in  
>> windows to do it? I thought lib Louis did it, but I don’t remember how to do 
>> it. If it doesn’t do it, what other apps can/will? Thanks!
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Re: braille translation on mac os

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I am actually not really sure which.
Sorry, maybe someone else can help.

Sincerely,
Andrei Motin

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 6:39 PM joseph hodge  wrote:

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Re: braille translation on mac os

[joseph hodge]

Just seeing this today. I am thinking Braille Blaster maybe? 

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
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braille translation on mac os

[Joe Quinn]

Apologies if this has been brought up hundreds of times, most notably by me, 
but how do you back translate .BRF books into  text without having to go in  
windows to do it? I thought lib Louis did it, but I don’t remember how to do 
it. If it doesn’t do it, what other apps can/will? Thanks!

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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I have similar settings here, and the braille display works well with 
VoiceOver, including Grade II text entry. However, I almost always use the 
qwerty keyboard.

On 1/7/20, 10:51, "Pete De Vasto"  wrote:

Hi all,

I am replying to this e-mail using an original Focus 40 Blue display. As 
you can see, I am typing just fine. I can press Chord D and that deletes the 
last character I typed. I’ve not tried other Chord commands as yet because I am 
more used to a regular keyboard, but if one works I’d be others would as well. 
For what it might be worth, my VO Braille settings are set to English US 
output, allow contracted Braille is unchecked, use 8-dot Braille is checked, 
and use automatic Braille translation is unchecked. I’m discovering that if you 
alter even one of the above settings, that can make a difference for what works 
and does not. Let me know if I can be of any further help.

Pete De Vasto

> On Jan 6, 2020, at 8:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jonathan and Kawal,
> 
> Okay, I just connected my Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue, the original 
model, to my Mac via USB and could type a new email, just fine.
> 
> The problem I have is that I cannot use any cord combinations and I 
cannot use the dot 7 or the dot 8 key.  When I attempt any cord combos or press 
either the dot 7 or 8 key, I get a ding.  
> 
> I have rebooted the Mac several times and have attempted every workaround 
I know but nothing helps.  
> 
> Again, I can enter letters and spaces without difficulty but when I 
attempt to use the space bar in combination with any other key, all I get is a 
ding.  
> 
> Very strange.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:28 PM
    > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?
> 
> I can think of two possibilities.
> 1. space with dots 1,8 will lock the command key on a Braille display.
> 2. You have quickNav enabled. I believe chord Q  should turn it off.
> 
> Doing modifier key actions on a Mac is a little different from the PC. 
> 1. You can't enable multiple modifier keys in one chord. 
> 2. You use dot 7 with  space and one of the dots 1-6 to toggle a modifier 
for the next character pressed.
> 
> Hope this solves your issue,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:04 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:
> 
> Hi There.
> 
> I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on 
my braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong 
as I wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.
> 
> Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I 
can use the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though 
it’s a virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I 
wish I could.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> On 5 Jan 2020, at 20:55, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a 
reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I was 
impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired if I’m 
honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning specialized 
equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is outstanding, imo the 
hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in twice for issues, but not 
the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the shelf battery, so if like my vu 
did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 dollar battery from amazon and 
replace it yourself. I also had to write handitech, or helptech or whatever 
they are now directly once, requesting better software, just ideas for 
improvements, and had someone reply to me twice within an hour. I am not going 
to tell you not to worry at all that they’ll be around, but if it was me I 
would still buy one. as I said the software is awful, but the hardware is 
incredible. 
> 
> 
> 
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 wrote:
> 
> I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. 
Just out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do 
you ever worry about HandyTech going under?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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RE: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Okay, I discovered the problem.  

>From the VoiceOver Utility dialog box, I removed the Focus from the list of 
>Braille displays and then, re-added it and now all is as it should be.

The display is working like a champ.

Kawal, I cannot reproduce your original issue of being bounced out of the Mail 
app when writing / replying to an email.

Regardless of the various Layout Settings, the Focus is performing as expected.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 7:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

Hi all,

I am replying to this e-mail using an original Focus 40 Blue display. As you 
can see, I am typing just fine. I can press Chord D and that deletes the last 
character I typed. I’ve not tried other Chord commands as yet because I am more 
used to a regular keyboard, but if one works I’d be others would as well. For 
what it might be worth, my VO Braille settings are set to English US output, 
allow contracted Braille is unchecked, use 8-dot Braille is checked, and use 
automatic Braille translation is unchecked. I’m discovering that if you alter 
even one of the above settings, that can make a difference for what works and 
does not. Let me know if I can be of any further help.

Pete De Vasto

> On Jan 6, 2020, at 8:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jonathan and Kawal,
> 
> Okay, I just connected my Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue, the original 
> model, to my Mac via USB and could type a new email, just fine.
> 
> The problem I have is that I cannot use any cord combinations and I cannot 
> use the dot 7 or the dot 8 key.  When I attempt any cord combos or press 
> either the dot 7 or 8 key, I get a ding.  
> 
> I have rebooted the Mac several times and have attempted every workaround I 
> know but nothing helps.  
> 
> Again, I can enter letters and spaces without difficulty but when I attempt 
> to use the space bar in combination with any other key, all I get is a ding.  
> 
> Very strange.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:28 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?
> 
> I can think of two possibilities.
> 1. space with dots 1,8 will lock the command key on a Braille display.
> 2. You have quickNav enabled. I believe chord Q  should turn it off.
> 
> Doing modifier key actions on a Mac is a little different from the PC. 
> 1. You can't enable multiple modifier keys in one chord. 
> 2. You use dot 7 with  space and one of the dots 1-6 to toggle a modifier for 
> the next character pressed.
> 
> Hope this solves your issue,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:04 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi There.
> 
> I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on my 
> braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong as 
> I wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.
> 
> Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I can 
> use the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though 
> it’s a virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I 
> wish I could.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> On 5 Jan 2020, at 20:55, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
> hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a 
> reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I 
> was impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired 
> if I’m honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning 
> specialized equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is 
> outstanding, imo the hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in 
> twice for issues, but not the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the 
> shelf battery, so if like my vu did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 
> dollar battery from amazon and replace it yourself. I also had to write 
> handitech, or helptech or whatever they are now directly once, requesting 
> better software, just ideas for improvements, and had someone reply to me 
> twice within an hour. I am not going to tell you not to worry at all that 
> they’ll be around, but if it was me I would still buy one. as I said the 
> software is awful, but the hardware is incredible. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna

Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[Pete De Vasto]

Kawal,

First off, make sure that when you try to type something, you are interacting 
with the text. Press dots 2+3+6+ space, that gets you into the text, and then 
dots 3+5+6+ space to stop interacting. Then, go to the VO Utility, select 
Braille, then the Displays tab. Once there, there’s a button to add a command. 
Pressing that button will give you a list of each and every key combination 
available on your Focus. There are even keys to press the Shift, command and 
control keys. I’m wondering if something is locked that would be causing all 
your braille character to show as selected. I’m in a hurry to do other things 
right now, but wanted to get this off in hopes it could help.

ete

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 2:09 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete.
> 
> I am using a 5th or what ever it’s called the latest generation of Focus and 
> I have changed the settings to what you said.
> 
> I can’t type anything using the focus now and if I try, space bar will 
> activate the spotlight menu and if I try to write chorded  grade 2 braille, 
> the voice over thing will ping and if I hit spacebar it’s the spotlight menu.
>  I notice all my braille is selected.
> So what do you think of that anyone?
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2020, at 15:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am replying to this e-mail using an original Focus 40 Blue display. As you 
>> can see, I am typing just fine. I can press Chord D and that deletes the 
>> last character I typed. I’ve not tried other Chord commands as yet because I 
>> am more used to a regular keyboard, but if one works I’d be others would as 
>> well. For what it might be worth, my VO Braille settings are set to English 
>> US output, allow contracted Braille is unchecked, use 8-dot Braille is 
>> checked, and use automatic Braille translation is unchecked. I’m discovering 
>> that if you alter even one of the above settings, that can make a difference 
>> for what works and does not. Let me know if I can be of any further help.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 8:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jonathan and Kawal,
>>> 
>>> Okay, I just connected my Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue, the original 
>>> model, to my Mac via USB and could type a new email, just fine.
>>> 
>>> The problem I have is that I cannot use any cord combinations and I cannot 
>>> use the dot 7 or the dot 8 key.  When I attempt any cord combos or press 
>>> either the dot 7 or 8 key, I get a ding.  
>>> 
>>> I have rebooted the Mac several times and have attempted every workaround I 
>>> know but nothing helps.  
>>> 
>>> Again, I can enter letters and spaces without difficulty but when I attempt 
>>> to use the space bar in combination with any other key, all I get is a 
>>> ding.  
>>> 
>>> Very strange.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:28 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?
>>> 
>>> I can think of two possibilities.
>>> 1. space with dots 1,8 will lock the command key on a Braille display.
>>> 2. You have quickNav enabled. I believe chord Q  should turn it off.
>>> 
>>> Doing modifier key actions on a Mac is a little different from the PC. 
>>> 1. You can't enable multiple modifier keys in one chord. 
>>> 2. You use dot 7 with  space and one of the dots 1-6 to toggle a modifier 
>>> for the next character pressed.
>>> 
>>> Hope this solves your issue,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:04 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi There.
>>> 
>>> I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on my 
>>> braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong 
>>> as I wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.
>>> 
>>> Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I can 
>>> use the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though 
>>> it’s a virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I 
>>> wish I could.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>&g

Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Pete.

I am using a 5th or what ever it’s called the latest generation of Focus and I 
have changed the settings to what you said.

I can’t type anything using the focus now and if I try, space bar will activate 
the spotlight menu and if I try to write chorded  grade 2 braille, the voice 
over thing will ping and if I hit spacebar it’s the spotlight menu.
  I notice all my braille is selected.
So what do you think of that anyone?

Kawal.

> On 7 Jan 2020, at 15:50, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am replying to this e-mail using an original Focus 40 Blue display. As you 
> can see, I am typing just fine. I can press Chord D and that deletes the last 
> character I typed. I’ve not tried other Chord commands as yet because I am 
> more used to a regular keyboard, but if one works I’d be others would as 
> well. For what it might be worth, my VO Braille settings are set to English 
> US output, allow contracted Braille is unchecked, use 8-dot Braille is 
> checked, and use automatic Braille translation is unchecked. I’m discovering 
> that if you alter even one of the above settings, that can make a difference 
> for what works and does not. Let me know if I can be of any further help.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 8:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Jonathan and Kawal,
>> 
>> Okay, I just connected my Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue, the original 
>> model, to my Mac via USB and could type a new email, just fine.
>> 
>> The problem I have is that I cannot use any cord combinations and I cannot 
>> use the dot 7 or the dot 8 key.  When I attempt any cord combos or press 
>> either the dot 7 or 8 key, I get a ding.  
>> 
>> I have rebooted the Mac several times and have attempted every workaround I 
>> know but nothing helps.  
>> 
>> Again, I can enter letters and spaces without difficulty but when I attempt 
>> to use the space bar in combination with any other key, all I get is a ding. 
>>  
>> 
>> Very strange.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:28 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?
>> 
>> I can think of two possibilities.
>> 1. space with dots 1,8 will lock the command key on a Braille display.
>> 2. You have quickNav enabled. I believe chord Q  should turn it off.
>> 
>> Doing modifier key actions on a Mac is a little different from the PC. 
>> 1. You can't enable multiple modifier keys in one chord. 
>> 2. You use dot 7 with  space and one of the dots 1-6 to toggle a modifier 
>> for the next character pressed.
>> 
>> Hope this solves your issue,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:04 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi There.
>> 
>> I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on my 
>> braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong 
>> as I wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.
>> 
>> Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I can 
>> use the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though 
>> it’s a virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I 
>> wish I could.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 Jan 2020, at 20:55, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
>> hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got 
>> a reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I 
>> was impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired 
>> if I’m honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning 
>> specialized equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is 
>> outstanding, imo the hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in 
>> twice for issues, but not the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the 
>> shelf battery, so if like my vu did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 
>> dollar battery from amazon and replace it yourself. I also had to write 
>> handitech, or helptech or whatever they are now directly once, requesting 
>> better software, just ideas for improvements, and had someone reply to me 
>> twice within an hour. I am not going to tell you not to worry at all that 
>> they’ll

Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

I am replying to this e-mail using an original Focus 40 Blue display. As you 
can see, I am typing just fine. I can press Chord D and that deletes the last 
character I typed. I’ve not tried other Chord commands as yet because I am more 
used to a regular keyboard, but if one works I’d be others would as well. For 
what it might be worth, my VO Braille settings are set to English US output, 
allow contracted Braille is unchecked, use 8-dot Braille is checked, and use 
automatic Braille translation is unchecked. I’m discovering that if you alter 
even one of the above settings, that can make a difference for what works and 
does not. Let me know if I can be of any further help.

Pete De Vasto

> On Jan 6, 2020, at 8:45 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jonathan and Kawal,
> 
> Okay, I just connected my Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue, the original 
> model, to my Mac via USB and could type a new email, just fine.
> 
> The problem I have is that I cannot use any cord combinations and I cannot 
> use the dot 7 or the dot 8 key.  When I attempt any cord combos or press 
> either the dot 7 or 8 key, I get a ding.  
> 
> I have rebooted the Mac several times and have attempted every workaround I 
> know but nothing helps.  
> 
> Again, I can enter letters and spaces without difficulty but when I attempt 
> to use the space bar in combination with any other key, all I get is a ding.  
> 
> Very strange.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:28 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?
> 
> I can think of two possibilities.
> 1. space with dots 1,8 will lock the command key on a Braille display.
> 2. You have quickNav enabled. I believe chord Q  should turn it off.
> 
> Doing modifier key actions on a Mac is a little different from the PC. 
> 1. You can't enable multiple modifier keys in one chord. 
> 2. You use dot 7 with  space and one of the dots 1-6 to toggle a modifier for 
> the next character pressed.
> 
> Hope this solves your issue,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:04 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi There.
> 
> I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on my 
> braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong as 
> I wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.
> 
> Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I can 
> use the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though 
> it’s a virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I 
> wish I could.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> On 5 Jan 2020, at 20:55, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
> hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a 
> reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I 
> was impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired 
> if I’m honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning 
> specialized equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is 
> outstanding, imo the hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in 
> twice for issues, but not the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the 
> shelf battery, so if like my vu did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 
> dollar battery from amazon and replace it yourself. I also had to write 
> handitech, or helptech or whatever they are now directly once, requesting 
> better software, just ideas for improvements, and had someone reply to me 
> twice within an hour. I am not going to tell you not to worry at all that 
> they’ll be around, but if it was me I would still buy one. as I said the 
> software is awful, but the hardware is incredible. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
> out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do 
> you ever worry about HandyTech going under?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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RE: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jonathan and Kawal,

Okay, I just connected my Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue, the original model, 
to my Mac via USB and could type a new email, just fine.

The problem I have is that I cannot use any cord combinations and I cannot use 
the dot 7 or the dot 8 key.  When I attempt any cord combos or press either the 
dot 7 or 8 key, I get a ding.  

I have rebooted the Mac several times and have attempted every workaround I 
know but nothing helps.  

Again, I can enter letters and spaces without difficulty but when I attempt to 
use the space bar in combination with any other key, all I get is a ding.  

Very strange.

Mark




From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 7:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

I can think of two possibilities.
1. space with dots 1,8 will lock the command key on a Braille display.
2. You have quickNav enabled. I believe chord Q  should turn it off.

Doing modifier key actions on a Mac is a little different from the PC. 
1. You can't enable multiple modifier keys in one chord. 
2. You use dot 7 with  space and one of the dots 1-6 to toggle a modifier for 
the next character pressed.

Hope this solves your issue,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:04 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi There.

I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on my 
braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong as I 
wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.

Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I can use 
the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though it’s a 
virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I wish I 
could.

Kawal.


On 5 Jan 2020, at 20:55, alia robinson  wrote:

well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service hasn’t 
been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a reply in 
two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I was 
impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired if I’m 
honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning specialized 
equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is outstanding, imo the 
hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in twice for issues, but not 
the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the shelf battery, so if like my vu 
did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 dollar battery from amazon and 
replace it yourself. I also had to write handitech, or helptech or whatever 
they are now directly once, requesting better software, just ideas for 
improvements, and had someone reply to me twice within an hour. I am not going 
to tell you not to worry at all that they’ll be around, but if it was me I 
would still buy one. as I said the software is awful, but the hardware is 
incredible. 



On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do you 
ever worry about HandyTech going under?
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I can think of two possibilities.
1. space with dots 1,8 will lock the command key on a Braille display.
2. You have quickNav enabled. I believe chord Q  should turn it off.

Doing modifier key actions on a Mac is a little different from the PC. 
1. You can't enable multiple modifier keys in one chord. 
2. You use dot 7 with  space and one of the dots 1-6 to toggle a modifier for 
the next character pressed.

Hope this solves your issue,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:04 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi There.
> 
> I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on my 
> braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong as 
> I wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.
> 
> Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I can 
> use the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though 
> it’s a virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I 
> wish I could.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2020, at 20:55, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
>> hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got 
>> a reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I 
>> was impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired 
>> if I’m honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning 
>> specialized equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is 
>> outstanding, imo the hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in 
>> twice for issues, but not the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the 
>> shelf battery, so if like my vu did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 
>> dollar battery from amazon and replace it yourself. I also had to write 
>> handitech, or helptech or whatever they are now directly once, requesting 
>> better software, just ideas for improvements, and had someone reply to me 
>> twice within an hour. I am not going to tell you not to worry at all that 
>> they’ll be around, but if it was me I would still buy one. as I said the 
>> software is awful, but the hardware is incredible. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. 
>> Just out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, 
>> do you ever worry about HandyTech going under?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Mine is using an 8gig card and I would be hard pressed to fill that 
up with .brf files! :)


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On 1/5/2020 3:28 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks, Maurice.
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 5:20 PM, maur...@maurice-amines.com wrote:

Yes there is a limit the card cannot exceed 32 gig and it is a micro SD card. 
Hope this helps?

Sincerely Maurice Mines
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Sprint IP relay number 661-246-3110.
Sftp  site maurice-amines.com.

On 5 Jan 2020, at 13:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Alia,

Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:21 PM, alia robinson  wrote:

yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to get mac to 
see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than actilino, but once it’s there 
as a drive it’s exactly what you expect. I never got my VU to show up as a 
drive, you can also just take out the SDCard and put them on it that way.


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With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and forth 
that way, I'd be happy.

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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Thanks, Maurice.
Donna


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> Yes there is a limit the card cannot exceed 32 gig and it is a micro SD card. 
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> On 5 Jan 2020, at 13:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Alia,
>> 
>> Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:21 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to get 
>>> mac to see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than actilino, but once 
>>> it’s there as a drive it’s exactly what you expect. I never got my VU to 
>>> show up as a drive, you can also just take out the SDCard and put them on 
>>> it that way.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:13 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and 
>>> forth that way, I'd be happy.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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 Yes there is a limit the card cannot exceed 32 gig and it is a micro 
SD card. Hope this helps?


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On 5 Jan 2020, at 13:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Alia,

Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:21 PM, alia robinson  wrote:

yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to 
get mac to see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than 
actilino, but once it’s there as a drive it’s exactly what you 
expect. I never got my VU to show up as a drive, you can also just 
take out the SDCard and put them on it that way.



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With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back 
and forth that way, I'd be happy.


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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Thanks!
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:28 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> what it comes with is 16 gb. I am not sure if that’s the limit. I can’t find 
> anything that says for sure.
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> Alia,
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> Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
> Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[alia robinson]

what it comes with is 16 gb. I am not sure if that’s the limit. I can’t find 
anything that says for sure.

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Alia,

Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
Donna

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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Alia,

Is there a limit to the size of SD card it will take?
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:21 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to get mac 
> to see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than actilino, but once it’s 
> there as a drive it’s exactly what you expect. I never got my VU to show up 
> as a drive, you can also just take out the SDCard and put them on it that 
> way. 
> 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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I also have Duxbury on my vmware machine and noticed that 12.4 is free. but 
haven't installed it yet. I was rather surprised.

Kawal. 

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 9:13 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks. I have Duxbury on my PC, so I think I can probably live without 
> HTCom. I actually remember that when I demoed their display, the only way  to 
> get files onto the device was by using some crappy Windows protocol. You had 
> to go into Utilities or something like that, and it was this dumb little 
> applet. I think it might have been called V-Term. Transferring files took 
> **forever! That was the other thing I didn't like.
> 
> With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and 
> forth that way, I'd be happy.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:06 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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>> it remembers your place unless it has an issue where you had to shut it 
>> down, also if you suspend the editer you have to remember and press a cursor 
>> routing button or it will go back a bit, but if you close a file and open it 
>> again your place is kept. I couldn’t deal with that either. the HTCom 
>> software is crap to be blunt. what I do is contract my braille, connect it, 
>> and it acts like a storage device and I copy it over. the editer is okay, 
>> but I never use it honestly. for reading once you get files on it’s great. 
>> you can open several files at once and switch easily between them. it’s also 
>> easy to switch bluetooth devices. just think of HTCom as unuseable because 
>> it is for mac. even on my husband’s windows machine it’s not the greatest. 
>> He said it’s like software from the 80’s to early 90’s! that’s actually what 
>> I wrote them about having better ways of getting files on the device and on 
>> board translation. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 4:00 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> When you say the software, I assume you're referring to that transfer app 
>> HTCom? What is the Notepad/book reader/word processor like? I demoed one of 
>> their displays many years ago, and one thing I didn't like was that it 
>> didn't save your place in a file. Every time you re-opened a file, you were 
>> placed at the beginning. Since I use my display a lot for reading books, I 
>> found that very annoying.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[alia robinson]

yes, you can. sometimes you have to restart voiceover or the unit to get mac to 
see it, but I think that’s more apple stuff than actilino, but once it’s there 
as a drive it’s exactly what you expect. I never got my VU to show up as a 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks. I have Duxbury on my PC, so I think I can probably live without HTCom. 
I actually remember that when I demoed their display, the only way  to get 
files onto the device was by using some crappy Windows protocol. You had to go 
into Utilities or something like that, and it was this dumb little applet. I 
think it might have been called V-Term. Transferring files took **forever! That 
was the other thing I didn't like.

With my VU, I just treat it like a drive, so if I can move files back and forth 
that way, I'd be happy.
Cheers,
Donna

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> 
> it remembers your place unless it has an issue where you had to shut it down, 
> also if you suspend the editer you have to remember and press a cursor 
> routing button or it will go back a bit, but if you close a file and open it 
> again your place is kept. I couldn’t deal with that either. the HTCom 
> software is crap to be blunt. what I do is contract my braille, connect it, 
> and it acts like a storage device and I copy it over. the editer is okay, but 
> I never use it honestly. for reading once you get files on it’s great. you 
> can open several files at once and switch easily between them. it’s also easy 
> to switch bluetooth devices. just think of HTCom as unuseable because it is 
> for mac. even on my husband’s windows machine it’s not the greatest. He said 
> it’s like software from the 80’s to early 90’s! that’s actually what I wrote 
> them about having better ways of getting files on the device and on board 
> translation. 
> 
> 
> 
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> save your place in a file. Every time you re-opened a file, you were placed 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[alia robinson]

it remembers your place unless it has an issue where you had to shut it down, 
also if you suspend the editer you have to remember and press a cursor routing 
button or it will go back a bit, but if you close a file and open it again your 
place is kept. I couldn’t deal with that either. the HTCom software is crap to 
be blunt. what I do is contract my braille, connect it, and it acts like a 
storage device and I copy it over. the editer is okay, but I never use it 
honestly. for reading once you get files on it’s great. you can open several 
files at once and switch easily between them. it’s also easy to switch 
bluetooth devices. just think of HTCom as unuseable because it is for mac. even 
on my husband’s windows machine it’s not the greatest. He said it’s like 
software from the 80’s to early 90’s! that’s actually what I wrote them about 
having better ways of getting files on the device and on board translation. 



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save your place in a file. Every time you re-opened a file, you were placed at 
the beginning. Since I use my display a lot for reading books, I found that 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi There.

I am just trying to write with my focus but when I press the letters on my 
braille display it goes out of the mail program.  So what am I doing wrong as I 
wanted to write with contracted braille using the braille display.

Also are there any podcasts on how to use the focus with the Mac OS?  I can use 
the braille display with windows by controling the machine even though it’s a 
virtual machine with my Focus but can’t do the same with the Mac.  I wish I 
could.

Kawal.

> On 5 Jan 2020, at 20:55, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
> hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a 
> reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I 
> was impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired 
> if I’m honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning 
> specialized equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is 
> outstanding, imo the hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in 
> twice for issues, but not the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the 
> shelf battery, so if like my vu did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 
> dollar battery from amazon and replace it yourself. I also had to write 
> handitech, or helptech or whatever they are now directly once, requesting 
> better software, just ideas for improvements, and had someone reply to me 
> twice within an hour. I am not going to tell you not to worry at all that 
> they’ll be around, but if it was me I would still buy one. as I said the 
> software is awful, but the hardware is incredible. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
> out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do 
> you ever worry about HandyTech going under?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

When you say the software, I assume you're referring to that transfer app 
HTCom? What is the Notepad/book reader/word processor like? I demoed one of 
their displays many years ago, and one thing I didn't like was that it didn't 
save your place in a file. Every time you re-opened a file, you were placed at 
the beginning. Since I use my display a lot for reading books, I found that 
very annoying.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:55 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service 
> hasn’t been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a 
> reply in two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I 
> was impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired 
> if I’m honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning 
> specialized equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is 
> outstanding, imo the hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in 
> twice for issues, but not the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the 
> shelf battery, so if like my vu did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 
> dollar battery from amazon and replace it yourself. I also had to write 
> handitech, or helptech or whatever they are now directly once, requesting 
> better software, just ideas for improvements, and had someone reply to me 
> twice within an hour. I am not going to tell you not to worry at all that 
> they’ll be around, but if it was me I would still buy one. as I said the 
> software is awful, but the hardware is incredible. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
> out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do 
> you ever worry about HandyTech going under?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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well, hims is selling their displays for now, and hims customer service hasn’t 
been great historically, but when I asked a question last week I got a reply in 
two days, and that was right on new year’s eve when I asked, so I was 
impressed. I worry about any company for the blind or visually impaired if I’m 
honest. so many are moving to phones using speech and abandoning specialized 
equipment. I would be concerned yes, but the display is outstanding, imo the 
hardware is better than vario. I had to send my VU in twice for issues, but not 
the actilino. the actilino also uses an off the shelf battery, so if like my vu 
did the battery goes you can just buy a 7 dollar battery from amazon and 
replace it yourself. I also had to write handitech, or helptech or whatever 
they are now directly once, requesting better software, just ideas for 
improvements, and had someone reply to me twice within an hour. I am not going 
to tell you not to worry at all that they’ll be around, but if it was me I 
would still buy one. as I said the software is awful, but the hardware is 
incredible. 



On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do you 
ever worry about HandyTech going under?
Cheers,
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I'd at least like to have the option of using it to control my computer. Just 
out of curiosity, because I know you went through the Baum debacle too, do you 
ever worry about HandyTech going under?
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:35 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> Just for accuracy sake it’s 16, and it scrolls so seamlessly I haven’t 
> noticed. unless you are trying to control your computer I don’t think it 
> would. I absolutely love mine, and it’s battery life is amazing 30 to 40 
> hours.
> 
> On Jan 5, 2020, at 3:28 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yeah, the tactile scrolling is the thing that really intrigues me about that 
> line of displays. But I really think that having 14 cells would drive me 
> crazy, which means I'm looking at the more expensive model.
> Cheers,
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[alia robinson]

Just for accuracy sake it’s 16, and it scrolls so seamlessly I haven’t noticed. 
unless you are trying to control your computer I don’t think it would. I 
absolutely love mine, and it’s battery life is amazing 30 to 40 hours.

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Yeah, the tactile scrolling is the thing that really intrigues me about that 
line of displays. But I really think that having 14 cells would drive me crazy, 
which means I'm looking at the more expensive model.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, the tactile scrolling is the thing that really intrigues me about that 
line of displays. But I really think that having 14 cells would drive me crazy, 
which means I'm looking at the more expensive model.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:25 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> I have the actilino, and if you mostly read I can’t recommend it enough. you 
> can scroll without touching a button, in it’s stand alone mode, and with mac 
> and iphone. the software sucks, but if you contract your braille first, and 
> put it on it’s a pleasure to read with, and because of the tactile scrolling 
> it’s a gamechanger reading on kindle. I would buy another one tomorrow if 
> mine was not able to be repaired. 
> 
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> Donna,
>  I had my hands on an Active Braille and was scared to even evaluate it once 
> I learned its cost, knew it would not be funded and I was right.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[alia robinson]

I have the actilino, and if you mostly read I can’t recommend it enough. you 
can scroll without touching a button, in it’s stand alone mode, and with mac 
and iphone. the software sucks, but if you contract your braille first, and put 
it on it’s a pleasure to read with, and because of the tactile scrolling it’s a 
gamechanger reading on kindle. I would buy another one tomorrow if mine was not 
able to be repaired. 

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Donna,
  I had my hands on an Active Braille and was scared to even evaluate it once I 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Thanks, Maurice and ET. Of course I do realize that everyone's mileage will 
vary depending on usage, but it helps to have at least a general idea. The VU 
battery drains fairly quickly, so I'm hoping for better battery life in its 
replacement.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 1:53 PM, maur...@maurice-amines.com wrote:
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> Hi, to answer your questions, the estimated battery life for the bogus 14 
> generation blue is roughly 15 hours. I believe the same is true for the focus 
> 40.
> 
> Please bear in mind however that your battery life will vary depending on 
> usage when it’s on battery. If you’re using it happily say using it with two 
> different devices. I would cut that 15 hour estimate down to something 
> between eight and 10 hours. In other words if you’re out and about and you 
> know you’re going to say a meeting, or class or something that’s gonna take a 
> while and you do not absolutely need to use the display. I would certainly 
> advise turning it off for a while in order to ensure that you can get through 
> your day. The other thing is that battery life can decrease if you’re using 
> the scratchpad as well.
> 
> I hope my comments above will help. Just to let you know I do not work for 
> freedom scientific, or Apple or any entity that has a stake in my answer.  I 
> also want to make it clear that the instruments of battery usage are based on 
> what I have experienced not what’s in the manual.
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[maurice]

 Hi, to answer your questions, the estimated battery life for the bogus 
14 generation blue is roughly 15 hours. I believe the same is true for 
the focus 40.


Please bear in mind however that your battery life will vary depending 
on usage when it’s on battery. If you’re using it happily say using 
it with two different devices. I would cut that 15 hour estimate down to 
something between eight and 10 hours. In other words if you’re out and 
about and you know you’re going to say a meeting, or class or 
something that’s gonna take a while and you do not absolutely need to 
use the display. I would certainly advise turning it off for a while in 
order to ensure that you can get through your day. The other thing is 
that battery life can decrease if you’re using the scratchpad as well.


I hope my comments above will help. Just to let you know I do not work 
for freedom scientific, or Apple or any entity that has a stake in my 
answer.  I also want to make it clear that the instruments of battery 
usage are based on what I have experienced not what’s in the manual.


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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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   Depends on how you use it of course. I read a lot and can go a few 
days. It charges to full fairly quickly.


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On 1/5/2020 11:33 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks, all. One question, how long is the battery life? Oddly enough, FS 
doesn't seem to put that on their website.
TIA,
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 12:58 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Donna.

I like the Focus with the IOS devices.  I have two of these, the 14 5th Gen and 
the 40 which I use with my Computer..  I use the 40 Focus with Windows as well 
but the braille on the Mac still has a lot of strange dots but I am not 
familiar how to use it with the Mac as yet because I don’t like the dots when 
things are underlined or bolded on the Mac. I prefer the IOS experience.

Kawal.


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I due this now all the time.I am having no problems at all.

Maurice Mines.
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On 5 Jan 2020, at 6:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi all,

My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. I 
would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What 
are the pluses? And the minuses?
Thanks,
Donna


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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, all. One question, how long is the battery life? Oddly enough, FS 
doesn't seem to put that on their website.
TIA,
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 12:58 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Donna.
> 
> I like the Focus with the IOS devices.  I have two of these, the 14 5th Gen 
> and the 40 which I use with my Computer..  I use the 40 Focus with Windows as 
> well but the braille on the Mac still has a lot of strange dots but I am not 
> familiar how to use it with the Mac as yet because I don’t like the dots when 
> things are underlined or bolded on the Mac. I prefer the IOS experience.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2020, at 18:52, maur...@maurice-amines.com wrote:
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>> I due this now all the time.I am having no problems at all.
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.
>> Ham call kd0iko.
>> 
>> On 5 Jan 2020, at 6:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
>>> fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
>>> have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. 
>>> I would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and 
>>> IOS. What are the pluses? And the minuses?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

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Hi Donna.

I like the Focus with the IOS devices.  I have two of these, the 14 5th Gen and 
the 40 which I use with my Computer..  I use the 40 Focus with Windows as well 
but the braille on the Mac still has a lot of strange dots but I am not 
familiar how to use it with the Mac as yet because I don’t like the dots when 
things are underlined or bolded on the Mac. I prefer the IOS experience.

Kawal.

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> I due this now all the time.I am having no problems at all.
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> On 5 Jan 2020, at 6:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
>> fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
>> have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. 
>> I would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. 
>> What are the pluses? And the minuses?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

[maurice]

I due this now all the time.I am having no problems at all.

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On 5 Jan 2020, at 6:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi all,

My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and 
get it fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille 
display. Since I don’t have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, 
I’m thinking about the Focus. I would love to hear from anyone 
currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What are the pluses? And 
the minuses?

Thanks,
Donna


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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I didn't keep the Active Braille long enough, didn't want to become 
attached to it them lose it. It is a very impressive device and I liked 
the ergonomic display.


   Think you are right about FS. HIMS, from past experience, well, I 
don't know how it stands now. I've had the Focus I think about a year 
and a half. It can be paired to 5 devices.


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On 1/5/2020 10:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,

So it sounds like you did find the Active Braille to be a better experience, is 
that right? If so, in what ways?

One reason I'm squeamish about the ActiveBraille is because of my experience 
with the Vario. It was a great display, but it was kind of lousy to buy it and 
then watch Baum go under. HandyTech has been around for a while, and it looks 
like they just got a new name, so maybe got bought by someone? Anyway, to spend 
that much money and then have the company go under is not something I want to 
have to deal with. If I had to put money on which company will be around for 
the long haul, I think FS is the safer bet.
Cheers,
Donna



On Jan 5, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Donna,
   I had my hands on an Active Braille and was scared to even evaluate it once 
I learned its cost, knew it would not be funded and I was right.

   I have a Focus Blue 40 cell 5th generation. Since I had that Active Braille 
in my hands, I find the Focus ok. Just ok. It works. It connects to the Mac and 
the iDevices reliably. I've used it mostly on the iDevices.

   Now I am at the point of just using it (and the Bluetooth keyboard). There 
are some anomalies when using braille but don't believe its the fault of the 
Focus. I did some custom command assignments on all 3 devices.

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Hi all,
My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. I 
would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What 
are the pluses? And the minuses?
Thanks,
Donna
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey ET,

So it sounds like you did find the Active Braille to be a better experience, is 
that right? If so, in what ways?

One reason I'm squeamish about the ActiveBraille is because of my experience 
with the Vario. It was a great display, but it was kind of lousy to buy it and 
then watch Baum go under. HandyTech has been around for a while, and it looks 
like they just got a new name, so maybe got bought by someone? Anyway, to spend 
that much money and then have the company go under is not something I want to 
have to deal with. If I had to put money on which company will be around for 
the long haul, I think FS is the safer bet.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 5, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
>   I had my hands on an Active Braille and was scared to even evaluate it once 
> I learned its cost, knew it would not be funded and I was right.
> 
>   I have a Focus Blue 40 cell 5th generation. Since I had that Active Braille 
> in my hands, I find the Focus ok. Just ok. It works. It connects to the Mac 
> and the iDevices reliably. I've used it mostly on the iDevices.
> 
>   Now I am at the point of just using it (and the Bluetooth keyboard). There 
> are some anomalies when using braille but don't believe its the fault of the 
> Focus. I did some custom command assignments on all 3 devices.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
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>> Hi all,
>> My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
>> fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
>> have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. 
>> I would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. 
>> What are the pluses? And the minuses?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>  Sent from my iPad
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Re: Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Donna,
   I had my hands on an Active Braille and was scared to even evaluate 
it once I learned its cost, knew it would not be funded and I was right.


   I have a Focus Blue 40 cell 5th generation. Since I had that Active 
Braille in my hands, I find the Focus ok. Just ok. It works. It connects 
to the Mac and the iDevices reliably. I've used it mostly on the iDevices.


   Now I am at the point of just using it (and the Bluetooth keyboard). 
There are some anomalies when using braille but don't believe its the 
fault of the Focus. I did some custom command assignments on all 3 devices.


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On 1/5/2020 6:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,

My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. I 
would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What 
are the pluses? And the minuses?
Thanks,
Donna
  


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Using a Focus braille display with Mac and IOS?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

My VarioUltra has gotten to the point where I either need to try and get it 
fixed—which may not be possible—or get a new braille display. Since I don’t 
have $6000 to shell out for an ActiveBraille, I’m thinking about the Focus. I 
would love to hear from anyone currently using the Focus with Mac and IOS. What 
are the pluses? And the minuses?
Thanks,
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Re: commands with braille display and mac?

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Maria,
   That command is not model specific so it should work. Take a look in 
the Assign command list and ensure that dots 1 and 7 will emulate the 
command key.


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On 12/13/2019 9:39 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:

Hi.

tried that before i asked the question. for some reason, doing the key 
combination for command and w doesn’t give the correct results.

Maria



On 11 Dec 2019, at 5:31 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   Did you find this list of braille commands yet? No need to assign these 
basic commands. In the case of command-w, it is a 2 step process. Space dots 
1-7 for Command, then dots 2-4-5-6 for the letter w.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209138>

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Hi list.
I have just started using a   Polaris note taker as a braille display with my 
mac.
I have a couple of questions.
The key combination  command   plus   W doesn’t seem to work.
is there  any way to assign this combination in voice over utility?
If not, when  I press enter to open a message, in mail, is there an easy way  
to get back to the message list  without using the keyboard?
  I normally use vo j but don’t know how to recreate this combination with the 
display either.
thanks for any help in advance.
Maria
  


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Re: commands with braille display and mac?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.

tried that before i asked the question. for some reason, doing the key 
combination for command and w doesn’t give the correct results.

Maria


> On 11 Dec 2019, at 5:31 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Did you find this list of braille commands yet? No need to assign these 
> basic commands. In the case of command-w, it is a 2 step process. Space dots 
> 1-7 for Command, then dots 2-4-5-6 for the letter w.
> 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209138>
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> On 12/9/2019 10:21 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> Hi list.
>> I have just started using a   Polaris note taker as a braille display with 
>> my mac.
>> I have a couple of questions.
>> The key combination  command   plus   W doesn’t seem to work.
>> is there  any way to assign this combination in voice over utility?
>> If not, when  I press enter to open a message, in mail, is there an easy way 
>>  to get back to the message list  without using the keyboard?
>>  I normally use vo j but don’t know how to recreate this combination with 
>> the display either.
>> thanks for any help in advance.
>> Maria
>>  
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Re: commands with braille display and mac?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

thanks loads. i will have a play and see how i go.

maria


> On 11 Dec 2019, at 6:37 am, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> There is also a “close window” function within VoiceOver, so you  could 
> assign your own shortcut to that function. VO-J is the VoiceOver command: 
> Goto linked item.
> 
> The close window is in the General category of commands, and the “Go To 
> Linked Item” is in the Navigation section. 
> To assign commands, open the VoiceOver utility and move to the Braille 
> section. open the displays tab, select your display and then click on assign 
> commands button. This will open a dialog with a table of Braille commands as 
> currently configured and allow you to re-assign commands, or add additional 
> assignments.
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:31 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Did you find this list of braille commands yet? No need to assign these 
>> basic commands. In the case of command-w, it is a 2 step process. Space dots 
>> 1-7 for Command, then dots 2-4-5-6 for the letter w.
>> 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209138>
>> 
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>> On 12/9/2019 10:21 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> Hi list.
>>> I have just started using a   Polaris note taker as a braille display with 
>>> my mac.
>>> I have a couple of questions.
>>> The key combination  command   plus   W doesn’t seem to work.
>>> is there  any way to assign this combination in voice over utility?
>>> If not, when  I press enter to open a message, in mail, is there an easy 
>>> way  to get back to the message list  without using the keyboard?
>>> I normally use vo j but don’t know how to recreate this combination with 
>>> the display either.
>>> thanks for any help in advance.
>>> Maria
>>> 
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Re: commands with braille display and mac?

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is also a “close window” function within VoiceOver, so you  could assign 
your own shortcut to that function. VO-J is the VoiceOver command: Goto linked 
item.

The close window is in the General category of commands, and the “Go To Linked 
Item” is in the Navigation section. 
To assign commands, open the VoiceOver utility and move to the Braille section. 
open the displays tab, select your display and then click on assign commands 
button. This will open a dialog with a table of Braille commands as currently 
configured and allow you to re-assign commands, or add additional assignments.
Jonathan


> On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:31 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Did you find this list of braille commands yet? No need to assign these 
> basic commands. In the case of command-w, it is a 2 step process. Space dots 
> 1-7 for Command, then dots 2-4-5-6 for the letter w.
> 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209138>
> 
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> On 12/9/2019 10:21 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> Hi list.
>> I have just started using a   Polaris note taker as a braille display with 
>> my mac.
>> I have a couple of questions.
>> The key combination  command   plus   W doesn’t seem to work.
>> is there  any way to assign this combination in voice over utility?
>> If not, when  I press enter to open a message, in mail, is there an easy way 
>>  to get back to the message list  without using the keyboard?
>>  I normally use vo j but don’t know how to recreate this combination with 
>> the display either.
>> thanks for any help in advance.
>> Maria
>>  
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Re: commands with braille display and mac?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Did you find this list of braille commands yet? No need to assign 
these basic commands. In the case of command-w, it is a 2 step process. 
Space dots 1-7 for Command, then dots 2-4-5-6 for the letter w.


<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209138>

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On 12/9/2019 10:21 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:

Hi list.

I have just started using a   Polaris note taker as a braille display with my 
mac.
I have a couple of questions.

The key combination  command   plus   W doesn’t seem to work.
is there  any way to assign this combination in voice over utility?
If not, when  I press enter to open a message, in mail, is there an easy way  
to get back to the message list  without using the keyboard?
  I normally use vo j but don’t know how to recreate this combination with the 
display either.
thanks for any help in advance.

Maria
  



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commands with braille display and mac?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi list.

I have just started using a   Polaris note taker as a braille display with my 
mac. 
I have a couple of questions. 

The key combination  command   plus   W doesn’t seem to work.
is there  any way to assign this combination in voice over utility? 
If not, when  I press enter to open a message, in mail, is there an easy way  
to get back to the message list  without using the keyboard? 
 I normally use vo j but don’t know how to recreate this combination with the 
display either.
thanks for any help in advance.

Maria
 

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Re: Braille issue on Mac.

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I have been trying to guess at all this multi-lingual Braille. Sometimes in DUO 
Lingo learning Hebrew I can type Hebrew Braille and sometimes it merges Hebrew 
and English and sometimes I get English letters even though the touch keyboard 
is definitely in Hebrew. We have also had questions about how to enter Latin 
accented characters recently on the list and if Eight dot computer Braille 
would help with this. 

Can anybody recommend any resources on this? Everyday I get more comfortable 
with Braille but everyday I seem to have more questions.

Jonathan Cohn in 
> On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> There seems to be a braille issue when reading with my Helptech Basic braille 
> 40.
> THe bug seems to appear when reading on the web and in mail.
> It seems that the braille table is automatically changed while i read on a 
> webpage.
> It changes from swedish to english or american english.
> I want the braille to be percistant at swedish grade 1 and not change to US 
> english grade 1.
> It doesn’t matter if i read a swedish or english document on the web or in 
> mail.
> I have to digg more into this but are there other not native english who have 
> this problem?
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Braille issue on Mac.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There seems to be a braille issue when reading with my Helptech Basic braille 
40.
THe bug seems to appear when reading on the web and in mail.
It seems that the braille table is automatically changed while i read on a 
webpage.
It changes from swedish to english or american english.
I want the braille to be percistant at swedish grade 1 and not change to US 
english grade 1.
It doesn’t matter if i read a swedish or english document on the web or in mail.
I have to digg more into this but are there other not native english who have 
this problem?
/A

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Additional info on voiceover and Q braille with a Mac

[Mary Otten]

Earlier, I sent a note about this display and how it was not working in hybrid 
mode with voiceover on an iPhone. The same is true for the Mac. I spoke with a 
representative from hims, who said that this functionality is coming. He 
couldn’t say when. But as of now, hybrid mode on the Mac or an eye device is 
not working right. So you have to use the queue braille as though it were a 
braille edge both for its display functionality and also for controlling the 
Mac or iPhone.  In other words, you have to know all those crazy braille key 
commands.
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Re: Braille Edge with Mac

[Des Delgadillo]

I’d love to see someone more knowledgeable take up this thread.

I used a BrailleEdge successfully with a Mac but all I really did was proofread 
and did most of my typing with the actual Mac keyboard. Granted, this was my 
first display I used this way and I don’;t claim to be a wiz by any stretch, 
but I could never figure out how to do the following things:

Successfully navigate a Pages or Word file using the BrailleEdge alone
Navigate web pages using only the display
Make edits using only the display; I had to use the keyboard.
If anyone sees this who has more knowledge, this makes 2 posters who would 
really value your insight. I’d love a resource to shortcuts or anything that 
might make this an easier experience.

Best regards,


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> On May 6, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
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> I am considering purchasing a Braille Edge. Is there anyone on this list 
> using an Edge with a Mac? I want to be able to edit documents for a committee 
> I am on using the two devices together. Any. Help would be appreciated.
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Braille Edge with Mac

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I am considering purchasing a Braille Edge. Is there anyone on this list using 
an Edge with a Mac? I want to be able to edit documents for a committee I am on 
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Re: More support for braille using the Mac.; Follow-up: 650916076

[Aleeha Dudley]

That’s depressing. I thought they were talking about the Mac, but they seem to 
only be referencing iOS 11, which has some fixes, but isn’t bug free by any 
stretch: the bug that causes Braille to not be accepted when a notification 
banner is displayed is really bothering me. 
Aleeha 

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
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> Please could somebody test this for me on the latest update for the Mac.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com 
>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>> Date: 19 September 2017 at 8:12:42 pm BST
>> To: kawa...@me.com <mailto:kawa...@me.com>
>> Subject: Re: More support for braille using the Mac.; Follow-up: 650916076
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> We believe this issue has been resolved with the release of iOS 11. Can you 
>> please test and confirm? Thank you for taking the time. 
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility 
>> <https://support.apple.com/accessibility>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On October 23, 2016 at 11:44:51 AM GMT, kawa...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kawa...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> I would be really happy if Apple could work on better braille support for 
>>> the Mac please as is on the IOS devices.
>>> 
>>> I'd like future support so that all the text when shown is italicised, bold 
>>> and so on please.  I would also like so that one can use a braille display 
>>> to control the Mac fully as you can do this with an IOS device such as an I 
>>> phone.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Re: More support for braille using the Mac.; Follow-up: 650916076

[Mary Otten]

There's only one problem here, that response that you forwarded specifically 
references iOS 11. They didn't mention anything about the Mac. Either they 
missed typed or they didn't really get your question.
Mary


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> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Please could somebody test this for me on the latest update for the Mac.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>
>> Date: 19 September 2017 at 8:12:42 pm BST
>> To: kawa...@me.com
>> Subject: Re: More support for braille using the Mac.; Follow-up: 650916076
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> We believe this issue has been resolved with the release of iOS 11. Can you 
>> please test and confirm? Thank you for taking the time. 
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
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>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility
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>>> On October 23, 2016 at 11:44:51 AM GMT, kawa...@me.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> I would be really happy if Apple could work on better braille support for 
>>> the Mac please as is on the IOS devices.
>>> 
>>> I'd like future support so that all the text when shown is italicised, bold 
>>> and so on please.  I would also like so that one can use a braille display 
>>> to control the Mac fully as you can do this with an IOS device such as an I 
>>> phone.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Fwd: More support for braille using the Mac.; Follow-up: 650916076

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Please could somebody test this for me on the latest update for the Mac.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Date: 19 September 2017 at 8:12:42 pm BST
> To: kawa...@me.com
> Subject: Re: More support for braille using the Mac.; Follow-up: 650916076
> 
> Hello, 
> We believe this issue has been resolved with the release of iOS 11. Can you 
> please test and confirm? Thank you for taking the time. 
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
> https://support.apple.com/accessibility
> 
> 
> 
>> On October 23, 2016 at 11:44:51 AM GMT, kawa...@me.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I would be really happy if Apple could work on better braille support for 
>> the Mac please as is on the IOS devices.
>> 
>> I'd like future support so that all the text when shown is italicised, bold 
>> and so on please.  I would also like so that one can use a braille display 
>> to control the Mac fully as you can do this with an IOS device such as an I 
>> phone.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 

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Re: Braille on the Mac

[ilkka . pirttimaa]

So, do you need braille font? If yes, there are some already installed in osx: 
http://www.tsbvi.edu/math/141-resources/resources-1/1087-download-braille-and-asl-specialty-fonts

Lähetetty iPhonesta

> Jeff Berwick  kirjoitti 25.1.2016 kello 2.04:
> 
> Thanks Erick.  We have a braille, but she needs to transmit it 
> electronically...The search continues...
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:13 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, no but neither would perkyduck.  They're just keyboards.  That would 
>> be great for her own practice, but wouldn't give her visual representations 
>> of dots.  Duxbury would automatically translate to braille on windows.  
>> Louis or Brailleblaster would do on mac, but that would be kind'a cheeting.  
>> You know, the very best thing for this purpose would be to loan or buy a 
>> perkins brailler.  Vision aids sometimes has used ones on consignment.  They 
>> often appear on blindbst and free enterprise as well for between $250 and 
>> $350.  Also, if she is still doing work for the Helen Keller centre, they 
>> may have a perkins they would be willing to loan out to her for a few weeks.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Jeff Berwick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will that allow her to share the Braille file for marking?  I think it has 
>>> to be the actual braille so they can mark her proficiency.
>>> 
 On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi jeff,,
 
 Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
 mbraille on IOS.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
 
 Sent from TypeApp
 
 
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Berwick  
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to 
> send braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury 
> Perky Duck, but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody 
> have any suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to 
> accomplish this task?
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
 
 
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Re: Braille on the Mac

[Jeff Berwick]

Thanks Erick.  We have a braille, but she needs to transmit it 
electronically...The search continues...

Thx,
Jeff

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:13 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Well, no but neither would perkyduck.  They're just keyboards.  That would be 
> great for her own practice, but wouldn't give her visual representations of 
> dots.  Duxbury would automatically translate to braille on windows.  Louis or 
> Brailleblaster would do on mac, but that would be kind'a cheeting.  You know, 
> the very best thing for this purpose would be to loan or buy a perkins 
> brailler.  Vision aids sometimes has used ones on consignment.  They often 
> appear on blindbst and free enterprise as well for between $250 and $350.  
> Also, if she is still doing work for the Helen Keller centre, they may have a 
> perkins they would be willing to loan out to her for a few weeks.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Will that allow her to share the Braille file for marking?  I think it has 
>> to be the actual braille so they can mark her proficiency.
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Erik Burggraaf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi jeff,,
>>> 
>>> Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
>>> mbraille on IOS.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from TypeApp 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to send 
>>> braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury Perky 
>>> Duck, but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody have any 
>>> suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to accomplish this 
>>> task?
>>> 
>>> Tia,
>>> Jeff
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Re: Braille on the Mac

[erik burggraaf]

Well, no but neither would perkyduck.  They're just keyboards.  That would be 
great for her own practice, but wouldn't give her visual representations of 
dots.  Duxbury would automatically translate to braille on windows.  Louis or 
Brailleblaster would do on mac, but that would be kind'a cheeting.  You know, 
the very best thing for this purpose would be to loan or buy a perkins 
brailler.  Vision aids sometimes has used ones on consignment.  They often 
appear on blindbst and free enterprise as well for between $250 and $350.  
Also, if she is still doing work for the Helen Keller centre, they may have a 
perkins they would be willing to loan out to her for a few weeks.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf


> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Will that allow her to share the Braille file for marking?  I think it has to 
> be the actual braille so they can mark her proficiency.
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Erik Burggraaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi jeff,,
>> 
>> Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
>> mbraille on IOS.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from TypeApp 
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>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to send 
>> braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury Perky 
>> Duck, but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody have any 
>> suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to accomplish this 
>> task?
>> 
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
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Re: Braille on the Mac

[Jeff Berwick]

Will that allow her to share the Braille file for marking?  I think it has to 
be the actual braille so they can mark her proficiency.

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Hi jeff,,
> 
> Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
> mbraille on IOS.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> Sent from TypeApp 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to send 
> braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury Perky Duck, 
> but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody have any 
> suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to accomplish this task?
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
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Braille on the Mac

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to send 
braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury Perky Duck, 
but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody have any 
suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to accomplish this task?

Tia,
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Re: Braille on the Mac

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hi jeff,,

Perkyduck is just a braille keyboard.  If that's all she needs, go with 
mbraille on IOS.

Best,

Erik

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>
>My wife is taking a braille course via correspondence and will need to
>send braille to somebody for review.  The suggested program is Duxbury
>Perky Duck, but this does not seem to have a Mac version.  Does anybody
>have any suggestions for another program to work on Mac or IOS to
>accomplish this task?
>
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>Jeff
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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[E.T.]

Eileen,
   Open the zip file with command o then find the installer package 
file, should be in the same folder as the zip and again do a command o 
on that. Should work.


   I had put the zip file on the desktop and went there in Finder.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/19/2015 4:52 PM, Eileen Scrivani wrote:

Hi Again ...
I was able to download the Louis Braille program/installer (it seems to
me) to my Mac Book.  It is listed in the downloads folder/area on the
computer.  However, when I issue whatever the command is to start the
installer the Mac comes back saying something about the file/installer
is from an unknown source and can’t install or run – something to that
extent – I forget the exact wording.
I have selected the “continue” button, but I don’t think its doing
anything.
Does this mean it will not run on the laptop?  It is possible I’m not
hitting the correct command to get it to run/install, I’m just not certain.
Thanks.
Eileen
*From:* Jim Gatteys <mailto:jgatt...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2015 7:08 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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*Subject:* Re: Braille Software for Mac??
Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get
to work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of
translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from
the link listed below.
Jim
http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net
<mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>> wrote:

HI All,

I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac
that will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without
having to install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.

Eileen

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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi Again ... 

I was able to download the Louis Braille program/installer (it seems to me) to 
my Mac Book.  It is listed in the downloads folder/area on the computer.  
However, when I issue whatever the command is to start the installer the Mac 
comes back saying something about the file/installer is from an unknown source 
and can’t install or run – something to that extent – I forget the exact 
wording.  

I have selected the “continue” button, but I don’t think its doing anything.  

Does this mean it will not run on the laptop?  It is possible I’m not hitting 
the correct command to get it to run/install, I’m just not certain.  

Thanks.

Eileen

From: Jim Gatteys 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 7:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille Software for Mac??

Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
link listed below. 
Jim

http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

  On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:

  HI All,
   
  I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that will 
allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to install 
windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
   
  Eileen

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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Jim Gatteys]

If I'm not mistaken you have to open the app with the "open with" command.
Jim

> On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Hi Again ...
>  
> I was able to download the Louis Braille program/installer (it seems to me) 
> to my Mac Book.  It is listed in the downloads folder/area on the computer.  
> However, when I issue whatever the command is to start the installer the Mac 
> comes back saying something about the file/installer is from an unknown 
> source and can’t install or run – something to that extent – I forget the 
> exact wording. 
>  
> I have selected the “continue” button, but I don’t think its doing anything. 
>  
> Does this mean it will not run on the laptop?  It is possible I’m not hitting 
> the correct command to get it to run/install, I’m just not certain. 
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Eileen

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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Devin Prater]

Does that version even still work? I know there is this new HTML version that 
no longer works. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
> work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
> translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
> link listed below.
> Jim
> 
> http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
>> 
>> HI All,
>>  
>> I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that 
>> will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to 
>> install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
>>  
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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hmm,  perhaps I should have mentioned that I’m running the Yosemety version of 
Os ... finally got my password issue settled and updated the Os.  So will that 
Louis Braille program work on my Mac Book?  I would like to mostly process my 
own documents, but also use the Web Braille books from NLS from time to time 
for printing.  Actually, that makes me wonder do I need Translation software 
for the Web Braille books if I was to use a refreshable display with the Mac 
Book?

Thanks for all help.

Eileen

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 7:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille Software for Mac??

Does that version even still work? I know there is this new HTML version that 
no longer works. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Jim Gatteys <jgatt...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
link listed below. 
  Jim

  http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:

HI All,
 
I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that 
will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to 
install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
 
Eileen

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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Jim Gatteys]

> It works on my mac.  Just used it yesterday.  Think that is the version 
> Ihave.  Applevis has the correct or it did because that's where Ifound it but 
> Believe this is the correct version.
Jim

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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> Does that version even still work? I know there is this new HTML version that 
> no longer works. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
>> Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
>> work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
>> translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
>> link listed below.
>> Jim
>> 
>> http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI All,
>>>  
>>> I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that 
>>> will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to 
>>> install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
>>>  
>>> Eileen
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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Jim Gatteys]

the reason I got Louis was to translate brf books from bard.  works well.
Jim

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
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> Hmm,  perhaps I should have mentioned that I’m running the Yosemety version 
> of Os ... finally got my password issue settled and updated the Os.  So will 
> that Louis Braille program work on my Mac Book?  I would like to mostly 
> process my own documents, but also use the Web Braille books from NLS from 
> time to time for printing.  Actually, that makes me wonder do I need 
> Translation software for the Web Braille books if I was to use a refreshable 
> display with the Mac Book?
>  
> Thanks for all help.
>  
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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[E.T.]

   Thanks for this reminder. Louie is now installed and I will be 
checking it out.


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On 9/18/2015 4:08 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:

Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get
to work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of
translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from
the link listed below.
Jim

http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

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HI All,

I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac
that will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without
having to install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.

Eileen

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Braille Software for Mac??

[Eileen Scrivani]

HI All, 

I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that will 
allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to install 
windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.

Eileen

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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Jim Gatteys]

Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
link listed below.
Jim

http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/ 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> HI All,
>  
> I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that will 
> allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to install 
> windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
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Re: Braille With A Mac?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi again. 
Sorry, I answered the wrong question. 

Gigi 

 On Jun 23, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Matthew Dierckens matt.dierck...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, you'd probably have to do it command by command, as it is in a table. You 
 can also assign custom commands if your display doesn't do a certain function.
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
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 Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com
 
 On Jun 23, 2015, at 20:20, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
 
  Can this list be saved to a file as a quick reference?
 
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 On 6/23/2015 4:24 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:
 Hi Eileen,
 I can't remember what Braile display you told me that you have when we
 did training, but if you go into the Displays tab under the Braille
 category of VoiceOver utility, you can hit the Assign Commands button,
 and examine all of the supported commands.
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
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 Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
 U.S. number: 573-401-1018
 Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com
 
 On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:15, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net
 mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Does anyone know where I might locate a comprehensive list of Braille
 commands for use with a refreshable display on a Mac Book Pro as well as
 for use with an IPhone?  I have the list of commonly used commands, but
 find it is not cutting it for me.
 Thanks for any pointers in the right direction.
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Re: Braille With A Mac?

[Eugenia Firth]

I am not sure I get what you mean exactly, but you can save an email easily to 
your Mac. Since I can never remember the easy command since I don’t do it that 
much, I go to the file menu with vo m, right arrow to file, down arrow to save 
as. A choice is rtf file. 

Gigi 

 On Jun 23, 2015, at 7:20 PM, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:
 
   Can this list be saved to a file as a quick reference?
 
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 On 6/23/2015 4:24 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:
 Hi Eileen,
 I can't remember what Braile display you told me that you have when we
 did training, but if you go into the Displays tab under the Braille
 category of VoiceOver utility, you can hit the Assign Commands button,
 and examine all of the supported commands.
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
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 On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:15, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net
 mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Does anyone know where I might locate a comprehensive list of Braille
 commands for use with a refreshable display on a Mac Book Pro as well as
 for use with an IPhone?  I have the list of commonly used commands, but
 find it is not cutting it for me.
 Thanks for any pointers in the right direction.
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Re: Braille With A Mac?

[David Chittenden]

If brailling in 8 dot computer braille, the @ sign is dots 4 7. If brailling in 
6 dot uncontracted literary braille, or contracted literary braille (grade II 
braille), the @ sign is dot 4 followed by dot 1. Note: this message was written 
using an iPhone 6+ in 6 dot braille screen mode.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 24 Jun 2015, at 11:52, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Hi Matthew,
  
 Thank you.  I’m using a Brailliant.  I will check out where the settings are. 
  I am having Braille input issues, however, that I suspect will not be 
 located in on-line help. 
  
 For the life of me I cannot on the display enter an at-sign (@) and am not 
 sure if letters are capitolized as they usually are in Braille or if a chord 
 must follow a letter that needs capitolization.
  
 Thanks again.
  
 Eileen
  
 From: Matthew Dierckens
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:24 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille With A Mac?
  
 Hi Eileen,
 I can't remember what Braile display you told me that you have when we did 
 training, but if you go into the Displays tab under the Braille category 
 of VoiceOver utility, you can hit the Assign Commands button, and examine 
 all of the supported commands.
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
 Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
 Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
 U.S. number: 573-401-1018
 Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com
  
 On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:15, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:
  
 Hi,
  
 Does anyone know where I might locate a comprehensive list of Braille 
 commands for use with a refreshable display on a Mac Book Pro as well as for 
 use with an IPhone?  I have the list of commonly used commands, but find it 
 is not cutting it for me.
  
 Thanks for any pointers in the right direction.
  
 Eileen
  
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Re: Braille With A Mac?

[Rachel Feinberg]

Hi Eileen,

The “at” sign seems to be a dot 4 pressed in conjunction with a dot 7. As for 
capitals, if you have contracted braille on, (press G-chord to toggle this), if 
you press a dot 6 before the letter you want to capitalize, it seems to 
translate as a capital letter.
HTH!
Rachel.
Hi 
 On Jun 23, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Hi Matthew,
  
 Thank you.  I’m using a Brailliant.  I will check out where the settings are. 
  I am having Braille input issues, however, that I suspect will not be 
 located in on-line help. 
  
 For the life of me I cannot on the display enter an at-sign (@) and am not 
 sure if letters are capitolized as they usually are in Braille or if a chord 
 must follow a letter that needs capitolization.
  
 Thanks again.
  
 Eileen
  
 From: Matthew Dierckens mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:24 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille With A Mac?
  
 Hi Eileen,
 I can't remember what Braile display you told me that you have when we did 
 training, but if you go into the Displays tab under the Braille category 
 of VoiceOver utility, you can hit the Assign Commands button, and examine 
 all of the supported commands.
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
 Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
 Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
 U.S. number: 573-401-1018
 Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com
  
 On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:15, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net 
 mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:
  
 Hi,
  
 Does anyone know where I might locate a comprehensive list of Braille 
 commands for use with a refreshable display on a Mac Book Pro as well as for 
 use with an IPhone?  I have the list of commonly used commands, but find it 
 is not cutting it for me.
  
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 Eileen
  
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Re: Braille With A Mac?

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi Matthew, 

Thank you.  I’m using a Brailliant.  I will check out where the settings are.  
I am having Braille input issues, however, that I suspect will not be located 
in on-line help.  

For the life of me I cannot on the display enter an at-sign (@) and am not sure 
if letters are capitolized as they usually are in Braille or if a chord must 
follow a letter that needs capitolization.

Thanks again.

Eileen 

From: Matthew Dierckens 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 7:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille With A Mac?

Hi Eileen, 
I can't remember what Braile display you told me that you have when we did 
training, but if you go into the Displays tab under the Braille category of 
VoiceOver utility, you can hit the Assign Commands button, and examine all of 
the supported commands.


God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer

U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:15, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:

Hi, 

Does anyone know where I might locate a comprehensive list of Braille commands 
for use with a refreshable display on a Mac Book Pro as well as for use with an 
IPhone?  I have the list of commonly used commands, but find it is not cutting 
it for me.

Thanks for any pointers in the right direction.

Eileen 

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Re: Braille With A Mac?

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   Can this list be saved to a file as a quick reference?

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On 6/23/2015 4:24 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:

Hi Eileen,
I can't remember what Braile display you told me that you have when we
did training, but if you go into the Displays tab under the Braille
category of VoiceOver utility, you can hit the Assign Commands button,
and examine all of the supported commands.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com

On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:15, Eileen Scrivani etscriv...@verizon.net
mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net wrote:

Hi,
Does anyone know where I might locate a comprehensive list of Braille
commands for use with a refreshable display on a Mac Book Pro as well as
for use with an IPhone?  I have the list of commonly used commands, but
find it is not cutting it for me.
Thanks for any pointers in the right direction.
Eileen

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Re: Braille With A Mac?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi, you'd probably have to do it command by command, as it is in a table. You 
can also assign custom commands if your display doesn't do a certain function.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
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Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

On Jun 23, 2015, at 20:20, E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote:

  Can this list be saved to a file as a quick reference?

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On 6/23/2015 4:24 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:
 Hi Eileen,
 I can't remember what Braile display you told me that you have when we
 did training, but if you go into the Displays tab under the Braille
 category of VoiceOver utility, you can hit the Assign Commands button,
 and examine all of the supported commands.
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
 Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
 Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
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Braille With A Mac?

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi, 

Does anyone know where I might locate a comprehensive list of Braille commands 
for use with a refreshable display on a Mac Book Pro as well as for use with an 
IPhone?  I have the list of commonly used commands, but find it is not cutting 
it for me.

Thanks for any pointers in the right direction.

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Re: Braille With A Mac?

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Hi Eileen,
I can't remember what Braile display you told me that you have when we did 
training, but if you go into the Displays tab under the Braille category of 
VoiceOver utility, you can hit the Assign Commands button, and examine all of 
the supported commands.

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Hi,
 
Does anyone know where I might locate a comprehensive list of Braille commands 
for use with a refreshable display on a Mac Book Pro as well as for use with an 
IPhone?  I have the list of commonly used commands, but find it is not cutting 
it for me.
 
Thanks for any pointers in the right direction.
 
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Braille embosser and Mac

[Robert C]

   Anyone using a Juliet Classic braille embosser via USB with the Mac 
under Mountain Lion?


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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Robert C]

Alex,
   I will see if I can find that file. I need to work with Finder and 
get familiar with it so this might be a good place to start.


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On 3/30/2014 8:00 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

I don't think so. That said, I'm sure it is in a .plist file somewhere; Google 
might be able to help you there more than I could.
On Mar 30, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Alex,
   Found it. Is there a way to print this list to a file?

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On 3/29/2014 10:00 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Sorry I wasn't clearer. Hit VO-f8 to open the Voiceover Utility. Arrow down to Braille, 
vo-right to the displays tab, and hit space. Find the table of displays, and arrow to the 
Edge, then vo-right to the Assign Commands button. That opens a window with 
the full list of commands and their braille keys, plus instructions on how to change an 
assignment if you want to.
On Mar 30, 2014, at 12:20 AM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Alex,
   Yes I can do that, map keys but its too soon on the Mac experience yet. Why 
I am so fouused on a good list tho is that I am too new to the Mac and dont 
want to stumble around.

   When you say to go to display settings and look at the table, this is on the 
Mac? That might be just what I want. Thanks.

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On 3/29/2014 8:32 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

You can re-assign the keys on any braille display for the Mac. The best way to figure 
things out is to toss out the Hims command list, except for special scroll key commands, 
and go off what the Mac says. Open up your display settings, go to assign 
commands, and look at the table; those are the mappings your Edge will use.

As to the vo-j, yes, that's the command I mean. VoiceOver calls it jump to linked 
item, and if memory serves, it's in the Nvigation menu when you are choosing the 
command.
On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the 
Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.

   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it.

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On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:

Thanks Alex.
What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  for 
several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come 
across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of actual 
messages.

Hope that clarifies.
Don


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac




I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, 
you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is jump to 
linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to 
check.

On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:


Hi,
I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac.
There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the 
vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is 
the key combination?

Thanks,
Don


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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Eugenia Firth]

Yes, I have put together a file. As far as I know, there has not been changes 
of these braille commands. Robert, I thought you said you didn't need this 
file. All of y'all that want it, please contact me off list, and when I get my 
work project done, which is a rush job, I will send it to y'all. I made a text 
file. I should finish this project by tomorrow, so I think I can send it out 
some time tomorrow or Tuesday. 

Gigi 

On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:33 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don,
   More confusing than it should be! LOL
 
   Here is what I have. Both links are from Apple. This one is the list of 
 HIMS specific commands.
 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5529
 
   This one is the common iOS commands and applies to the Mac as well as the 
 iPhone. But, its old, from 2012. Alex has a good idea if I understand him 
 correctly. That is, to go into display settings on the Mac and look at the 
 mapping table. Too late for me to try tonight but I wonder if this list can 
 be saved to a file. Anyway, we are getting there.
 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4400?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US
 
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 On 3/29/2014 9:14 PM, don bishop wrote:
 Thanks Robert and Alex,
 
 The jump to linked item is what I was looking for.
 Robert, I couldn't agree with you more regarding the command lists.  The 
 whole thing is very confusing.  Most lists I've seen talk about the most 
 commonly used commands, but I want a list of each and every available 
 command.
 Oh well, mayhbe someday.  grin
 
 Don
 
 
 On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
 HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when 
 the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.
 
   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on 
 it.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
 Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
 On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:
 Thanks Alex.
 What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up 
  for several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I 
 come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of 
 actual messages.
 
 Hope that clarifies.
 Don
 
 
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 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
 Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
 
 
 
 I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your 
 subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command 
 you want to assign is jump to linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen 
 it, but don't have a display right here to check.
 
 On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with 
 my imac.
 There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent 
 to the vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and 
 if so what is the key combination?
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Robert C]

Gigi,
   You said you copied the commands list from the Braille Edge manual. 
That I have.


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On 3/30/2014 6:50 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Yes, I have put together a file. As far as I know, there has not been changes 
of these braille commands. Robert, I thought you said you didn't need this 
file. All of y'all that want it, please contact me off list, and when I get my 
work project done, which is a rush job, I will send it to y'all. I made a text 
file. I should finish this project by tomorrow, so I think I can send it out 
some time tomorrow or Tuesday.

Gigi

On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:33 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Don,
   More confusing than it should be! LOL

   Here is what I have. Both links are from Apple. This one is the list of HIMS 
specific commands.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5529

   This one is the common iOS commands and applies to the Mac as well as the 
iPhone. But, its old, from 2012. Alex has a good idea if I understand him 
correctly. That is, to go into display settings on the Mac and look at the 
mapping table. Too late for me to try tonight but I wonder if this list can be 
saved to a file. Anyway, we are getting there.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4400?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US

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On 3/29/2014 9:14 PM, don bishop wrote:

Thanks Robert and Alex,

The jump to linked item is what I was looking for.
Robert, I couldn't agree with you more regarding the command lists.  The whole thing is 
very confusing.  Most lists I've seen talk about the most commonly used 
commands, but I want a list of each and every available command.
Oh well, mayhbe someday.  grin

Don


On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the 
Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.

   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:

Thanks Alex.
What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  for 
several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come 
across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of actual 
messages.

Hope that clarifies.
Don


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From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac




I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, 
you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is jump to 
linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to 
check.

On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:


Hi,
I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac.
There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the 
vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is 
the key combination?

Thanks,
Don


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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Robert C]

Alex,
   Found it. Is there a way to print this list to a file?

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On 3/29/2014 10:00 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Sorry I wasn't clearer. Hit VO-f8 to open the Voiceover Utility. Arrow down to Braille, 
vo-right to the displays tab, and hit space. Find the table of displays, and arrow to the 
Edge, then vo-right to the Assign Commands button. That opens a window with 
the full list of commands and their braille keys, plus instructions on how to change an 
assignment if you want to.
On Mar 30, 2014, at 12:20 AM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Alex,
   Yes I can do that, map keys but its too soon on the Mac experience yet. Why 
I am so fouused on a good list tho is that I am too new to the Mac and dont 
want to stumble around.

   When you say to go to display settings and look at the table, this is on the 
Mac? That might be just what I want. Thanks.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
There are three kinds of people in the world, those who can
count, and those who can't.
Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 3/29/2014 8:32 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

You can re-assign the keys on any braille display for the Mac. The best way to figure 
things out is to toss out the Hims command list, except for special scroll key commands, 
and go off what the Mac says. Open up your display settings, go to assign 
commands, and look at the table; those are the mappings your Edge will use.

As to the vo-j, yes, that's the command I mean. VoiceOver calls it jump to linked 
item, and if memory serves, it's in the Nvigation menu when you are choosing the 
command.
On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the 
Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.

   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:

Thanks Alex.
What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  for 
several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come 
across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of actual 
messages.

Hope that clarifies.
Don


- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac




I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, 
you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is jump to 
linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to 
check.

On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:


Hi,
I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac.
There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the 
vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is 
the key combination?

Thanks,
Don


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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Alex Hall]

I don't think so. That said, I'm sure it is in a .plist file somewhere; Google 
might be able to help you there more than I could.
On Mar 30, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:

 Alex,
   Found it. Is there a way to print this list to a file?
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 You know it is going to be a bad day when you forget your new
 password.
 Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
 On 3/29/2014 10:00 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Sorry I wasn't clearer. Hit VO-f8 to open the Voiceover Utility. Arrow down 
 to Braille, vo-right to the displays tab, and hit space. Find the table of 
 displays, and arrow to the Edge, then vo-right to the Assign Commands 
 button. That opens a window with the full list of commands and their braille 
 keys, plus instructions on how to change an assignment if you want to.
 On Mar 30, 2014, at 12:20 AM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Alex,
   Yes I can do that, map keys but its too soon on the Mac experience yet. 
 Why I am so fouused on a good list tho is that I am too new to the Mac and 
 dont want to stumble around.
 
   When you say to go to display settings and look at the table, this is on 
 the Mac? That might be just what I want. Thanks.
 
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 On 3/29/2014 8:32 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 You can re-assign the keys on any braille display for the Mac. The best 
 way to figure things out is to toss out the Hims command list, except for 
 special scroll key commands, and go off what the Mac says. Open up your 
 display settings, go to assign commands, and look at the table; those 
 are the mappings your Edge will use.
 
 As to the vo-j, yes, that's the command I mean. VoiceOver calls it jump 
 to linked item, and if memory serves, it's in the Nvigation menu when you 
 are choosing the command.
 On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
 HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and 
 when the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.
 
   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get 
 on it.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
 Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
 On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:
 Thanks Alex.
 What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set 
 up  for several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and 
 when I come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the 
 list of actual messages.
 
 Hope that clarifies.
 Don
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
 Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
 
 
 
 I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your 
 subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command 
 you want to assign is jump to linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen 
 it, but don't have a display right here to check.
 
 On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with 
 my imac.
 There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an 
 equivalent to the vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is 
 supported and if so what is the key combination?
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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[don bishop]

Hi, 
I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my 
imac. 
There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the 
vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is 
the key combination?   

Thanks,
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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Alex Hall]

I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, 
though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to 
assign is jump to linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a 
display right here to check.
On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:

 Hi, 
 I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my 
 imac. 
 There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to 
 the vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so 
 what is the key combination?   
 
 Thanks,
 Don  
 
 
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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[don bishop]

Thanks Alex. 
What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  for 
several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come 
across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of actual 
messages.  

Hope that clarifies.  
Don


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From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac



 I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your 
 subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you 
 want to assign is jump to linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but 
 don't have a display right here to check.
 
 On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi, 
 I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my 
 imac. 
 There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to 
 the vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so 
 what is the key combination?   
 
 Thanks,
 Don  
 
 
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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Robert C]

Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be 
invisible. HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each 
other and when the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.


   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would 
get on it.


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On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:

Thanks Alex.
What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  for 
several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come 
across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of actual 
messages.

Hope that clarifies.
Don


- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac




I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, 
you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is jump to 
linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to 
check.

On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:


Hi,
I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac.
There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the 
vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is 
the key combination?

Thanks,
Don


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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Alex Hall]

You can re-assign the keys on any braille display for the Mac. The best way to 
figure things out is to toss out the Hims command list, except for special 
scroll key commands, and go off what the Mac says. Open up your display 
settings, go to assign commands, and look at the table; those are the 
mappings your Edge will use.

As to the vo-j, yes, that's the command I mean. VoiceOver calls it jump to 
linked item, and if memory serves, it's in the Nvigation menu when you are 
choosing the command.
On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
 HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when 
 the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.
 
   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
 Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
 On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:
 Thanks Alex.
 What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  
 for several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I 
 come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of 
 actual messages.
 
 Hope that clarifies.
 Don
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
 Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
 
 
 
 I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your 
 subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you 
 want to assign is jump to linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but 
 don't have a display right here to check.
 
 On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my 
 imac.
 There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to 
 the vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so 
 what is the key combination?
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[don bishop]

Thanks Robert and Alex,

The jump to linked item is what I was looking for.  
Robert, I couldn't agree with you more regarding the command lists.  The whole 
thing is very confusing.  Most lists I've seen talk about the most commonly 
used commands, but I want a list of each and every available command.  
Oh well, mayhbe someday.  grin  

Don


On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:

 Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
 HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when 
 the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.
 
   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
 Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
 On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:
 Thanks Alex.
 What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  
 for several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I 
 come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of 
 actual messages.
 
 Hope that clarifies.
 Don
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
 Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
 
 
 
 I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your 
 subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you 
 want to assign is jump to linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but 
 don't have a display right here to check.
 
 On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my 
 imac.
 There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to 
 the vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so 
 what is the key combination?
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Robert C]

Alex,
   Yes I can do that, map keys but its too soon on the Mac experience 
yet. Why I am so fouused on a good list tho is that I am too new to the 
Mac and dont want to stumble around.


   When you say to go to display settings and look at the table, this 
is on the Mac? That might be just what I want. Thanks.


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On 3/29/2014 8:32 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

You can re-assign the keys on any braille display for the Mac. The best way to figure 
things out is to toss out the Hims command list, except for special scroll key commands, 
and go off what the Mac says. Open up your display settings, go to assign 
commands, and look at the table; those are the mappings your Edge will use.

As to the vo-j, yes, that's the command I mean. VoiceOver calls it jump to linked 
item, and if memory serves, it's in the Nvigation menu when you are choosing the 
command.
On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the 
Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.

   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
Robert  Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:

Thanks Alex.
What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  for 
several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come 
across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of actual 
messages.

Hope that clarifies.
Don


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From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac




I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, 
you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is jump to 
linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to 
check.

On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:


Hi,
I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac.
There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the 
vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is 
the key combination?

Thanks,
Don


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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[Robert C]

Don,
   More confusing than it should be! LOL

   Here is what I have. Both links are from Apple. This one is the list 
of HIMS specific commands.


http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5529

   This one is the common iOS commands and applies to the Mac as well 
as the iPhone. But, its old, from 2012. Alex has a good idea if I 
understand him correctly. That is, to go into display settings on the 
Mac and look at the mapping table. Too late for me to try tonight but I 
wonder if this list can be saved to a file. Anyway, we are getting there.


http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4400?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US

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On 3/29/2014 9:14 PM, don bishop wrote:

Thanks Robert and Alex,

The jump to linked item is what I was looking for.
Robert, I couldn't agree with you more regarding the command lists.  The whole thing is 
very confusing.  Most lists I've seen talk about the most commonly used 
commands, but I want a list of each and every available command.
Oh well, mayhbe someday.  grin

Don


On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote:


Don and Alex,
   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the 
Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.

   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it.

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Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
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E-mail-
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On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:

Thanks Alex.
What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  for 
several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come 
across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of actual 
messages.

Hope that clarifies.
Don


- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac




I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, 
you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is jump to 
linked item. I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to 
check.

On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:


Hi,
I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac.
There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the 
vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is 
the key combination?

Thanks,
Don


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