subject:"Re\: Keyboard Commands"

Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-10-04 Thread Brad Snyder

I’d do the Catalina update and put off the Big Sur update until it has been out 
for a while.  That way you avoid any unforeseen issues, but it’s your Mac and 
your choice, so suit yourself.

- Brad -


On Oct 4, 2020, at 16:03, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I don't want to do that because I'd have to upgrade twice in a short period of 
time. I'll just use Mojave until Big Sur is ready.

> On Oct 4, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> Why don’t you just upgrade to Catalina now, and worry about Big Sur once it 
> has been out for awhile.
> Catalina has been out for almost a year, and is very stable.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2020, at 01:42, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> yes. thanks. I'm not going to be in any hurry. it's better to go slowly and 
> carefully with that kind of stuff.
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 6:03 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would suggest waiting for the release, then reading comments by people who 
>> upgrade before you do.
>>  
>> Also, AppleVis usually publishes a summary of new features and changes after 
>> each major release, together with notes on any remaining bugs relevant to 
>> VoiceOver users.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:58 AM
>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: keyboard commands on a Mac
>>  
>> Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it 
>> but I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail 
>> before I do it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
>>> have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested 
>>> reply back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav 
>>> qwerty controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to 
>>> anything, so that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.
>>> Jonathan
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hi Lorie,
>>>>  
>>>> You have 2 options that I can think of:
>>>>  
>>>> Option 1:
>>>> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
>>>> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
>>>> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
>>>> navigate by the selected option.
>>>>  
>>>> Option 2:
>>>> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad 
>>>> commander using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad. 
>>>>  Then use the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one 
>>>> finger flick either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
>>>>  
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead 
>>>> right arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as 
>>>> vo-commandl for links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is 
>>>> that vo-command-w doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me 
>>>> characters. are there keyboard commands for these?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Lorie
>>>> 
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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-10-04 Thread Lorie McCloud

I don't want to do that because I'd have to upgrade twice in a short period of 
time. I'll just use Mojave until Big Sur is ready.

> On Oct 4, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Why don’t you just upgrade to Catalina now, and worry about Big Sur once it 
> has been out for awhile.
> Catalina has been out for almost a year, and is very stable.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2020, at 01:42, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> yes. thanks. I'm not going to be in any hurry. it's better to go slowly and 
> carefully with that kind of stuff.
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 6:03 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would suggest waiting for the release, then reading comments by people who 
>> upgrade before you do.
>>  
>> Also, AppleVis usually publishes a summary of new features and changes after 
>> each major release, together with notes on any remaining bugs relevant to 
>> VoiceOver users.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:58 AM
>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: keyboard commands on a Mac
>>  
>> Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it 
>> but I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail 
>> before I do it.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
>>> have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested 
>>> reply back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav 
>>> qwerty controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to 
>>> anything, so that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.
>>> Jonathan
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hi Lorie,
>>>>  
>>>> You have 2 options that I can think of:
>>>>  
>>>> Option 1:
>>>> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
>>>> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
>>>> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
>>>> navigate by the selected option.
>>>>  
>>>> Option 2:
>>>> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad 
>>>> commander using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad. 
>>>>  Then use the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one 
>>>> finger flick either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
>>>>  
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead 
>>>> right arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as 
>>>> vo-commandl for links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is 
>>>> that vo-command-w doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me 
>>>> characters. are there keyboard commands for these?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Lorie
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>> 
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>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>> 
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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-10-04 Thread Brad Snyder

Why don’t you just upgrade to Catalina now, and worry about Big Sur once it has 
been out for awhile.
Catalina has been out for almost a year, and is very stable.

- Brad -


On Oct 4, 2020, at 01:42, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

yes. thanks. I'm not going to be in any hurry. it's better to go slowly and 
carefully with that kind of stuff.

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 6:03 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest waiting for the release, then reading comments by people who 
> upgrade before you do.
>  
> Also, AppleVis usually publishes a summary of new features and changes after 
> each major release, together with notes on any remaining bugs relevant to 
> VoiceOver users.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:58 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: keyboard commands on a Mac
>  
> Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it 
> but I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail 
> before I do it.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
>> have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested 
>> reply back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav 
>> qwerty controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to 
>> anything, so that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.
>> Jonathan
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Lorie,
>>>  
>>> You have 2 options that I can think of:
>>>  
>>> Option 1:
>>> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
>>> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
>>> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
>>> navigate by the selected option.
>>>  
>>> Option 2:
>>> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
>>> using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use 
>>> the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick 
>>> either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
>>>  
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead 
>>> right arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as 
>>> vo-commandl for links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that 
>>> vo-command-w doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me 
>>> characters. are there keyboard commands for these?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-10-04 Thread Lorie McCloud

yes. thanks. I'm not going to be in any hurry. it's better to go slowly and 
carefully with that kind of stuff.

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 6:03 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would suggest waiting for the release, then reading comments by people who 
> upgrade before you do.
>  
> Also, AppleVis usually publishes a summary of new features and changes after 
> each major release, together with notes on any remaining bugs relevant to 
> VoiceOver users.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:58 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: keyboard commands on a Mac
>  
> Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it 
> but I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail 
> before I do it.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
>> have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested 
>> reply back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav 
>> qwerty controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to 
>> anything, so that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.
>> Jonathan
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Lorie,
>>>  
>>> You have 2 options that I can think of:
>>>  
>>> Option 1:
>>> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
>>> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
>>> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
>>> navigate by the selected option.
>>>  
>>> Option 2:
>>> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
>>> using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use 
>>> the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick 
>>> either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
>>>  
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead 
>>> right arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as 
>>> vo-commandl for links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that 
>>> vo-command-w doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me 
>>> characters. are there keyboard commands for these?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lorie
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Visionaries list.
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RE: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-10-03 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

I would suggest waiting for the release, then reading comments by people who 
upgrade before you do.

 

Also, AppleVis usually publishes a summary of new features and changes after 
each major release, together with notes on any remaining bugs relevant to 
VoiceOver users.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 3:58 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

 

Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it but 
I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail before 
I do it.





On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested reply 
back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav qwerty 
controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to anything, so 
that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.

Jonathan

 





On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Hi Lorie,

 

You have 2 options that I can think of:

 

Option 1:

While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change rotor 
options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while continuing to 
hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to navigate by the 
selected option.

 

Option 2:

Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use the 
rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick either 
up or down to navigate by the selected option.

 

HTH.


- Brad -

 

On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead right 
arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as vo-commandl for 
links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that vo-command-w 
doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me characters. are there 
keyboard commands for these?

Thanks,
Lorie

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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-09-30 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Not quite out yet, and there are currently some serious VoiceOver issues in the 
beta.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 30, 2020, at 03:57, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it 
> but I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail 
> before I do it.
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
>> have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested 
>> reply back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav 
>> qwerty controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to 
>> anything, so that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Lorie,
>>> 
>>> You have 2 options that I can think of:
>>> 
>>> Option 1:
>>> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
>>> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
>>> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
>>> navigate by the selected option.
>>> 
>>> Option 2:
>>> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
>>> using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use 
>>> the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick 
>>> either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead 
>>> right arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as 
>>> vo-commandl for links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that 
>>> vo-command-w doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me 
>>> characters. are there keyboard commands for these?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-09-30 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi Jason,
may I have your permission to write with an off list question?
Thanks,
Karen



On Wed, 30 Sep 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:


No, Mac OS 11.0 (Big Sur) hasn???t been released yet. However, it has been 
announced and can be expected later in the year.



From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Lorie McCloud 

Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 03:57
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: keyboard commands on a Mac



Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it but 
I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail before 
I do it.



On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:



You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don???t 
have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested reply 
back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav qwerty 
controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to anything, so 
that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.

Jonathan





On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:



Hi Lorie,



You have 2 options that I can think of:



Option 1:

While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change rotor 
options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while continuing to 
hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to navigate by the 
selected option.



Option 2:

Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use the 
rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick either 
up or down to navigate by the selected option.



HTH.


- Brad -



On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:



instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead right 
arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as vo-commandl for 
links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that vo-command-w 
doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me characters. are there 
keyboard commands for these?

Thanks,
Lorie

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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-09-30 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

No, Mac OS 11.0 (Big Sur) hasn’t been released yet. However, it has been 
announced and can be expected later in the year.

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Lorie 
McCloud 
Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 03:57
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it but 
I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail before 
I do it.

On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested reply 
back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav qwerty 
controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to anything, so 
that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.

Jonathan

On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

Hi Lorie,

You have 2 options that I can think of:

Option 1:

While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change rotor 
options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while continuing to 
hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to navigate by the 
selected option.

Option 2:

Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use the 
rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick either 
up or down to navigate by the selected option.

HTH.

- Brad -

On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead right 
arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as vo-commandl for 
links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that vo-command-w 
doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me characters. are there 
keyboard commands for these?

Thanks,
Lorie

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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-09-30 Thread Lorie McCloud

Is the next one above Catalina out yet? I'm probably going to upgrade to it but 
I want to find out how certain things are working in it like Apple Mail before 
I do it.

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
> have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested 
> reply back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav 
> qwerty controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to 
> anything, so that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lorie,
>> 
>> You have 2 options that I can think of:
>> 
>> Option 1:
>> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
>> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
>> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
>> navigate by the selected option.
>> 
>> Option 2:
>> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
>> using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use 
>> the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick 
>> either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead right 
>> arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as vo-commandl for 
>> links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that vo-command-w 
>> doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me characters. are there 
>> keyboard commands for these?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Lorie
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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-09-28 Thread Jonathan Cohn

You could also set up a keyboard commander for turning on quicknav. I don’t 
have time right now to give detailed instructions, but if you  interested reply 
back with a key. Note in Catalina and higher, vo-Q toggles quicknav qwerty 
controls. In my default configuration, option Q does not mapped to anything, so 
that is probably a good keystroke to assign to toggle QuickNav.
Jonathan


> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lorie,
> 
> You have 2 options that I can think of:
> 
> Option 1:
> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
> navigate by the selected option.
> 
> Option 2:
> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
> using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use 
> the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick 
> either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead right 
> arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as vo-commandl for 
> links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that vo-command-w 
> doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me characters. are there 
> keyboard commands for these?
> 
> Thanks,
> Lorie
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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-09-26 Thread Brad Snyder

Yes, of course, if you have one.

- Brad -


On Sep 26, 2020, at 17:57, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

does the trackpad thing work on a Mac mini?

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Lorie,
> 
> You have 2 options that I can think of:
> 
> Option 1:
> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
> navigate by the selected option.
> 
> Option 2:
> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
> using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use 
> the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick 
> either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead right 
> arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as vo-commandl for 
> links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that vo-command-w 
> doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me characters. are there 
> keyboard commands for these?
> 
> Thanks,
> Lorie
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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-09-26 Thread Lorie McCloud

does the trackpad thing work on a Mac mini?

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Hi Lorie,
> 
> You have 2 options that I can think of:
> 
> Option 1:
> While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change 
> rotor options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while 
> continuing to hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to 
> navigate by the selected option.
> 
> Option 2:
> Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
> using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use 
> the rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick 
> either up or down to navigate by the selected option.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 16:43, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead right 
> arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as vo-commandl for 
> links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that vo-command-w 
> doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me characters. are there 
> keyboard commands for these?
> 
> Thanks,
> Lorie
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Re: keyboard commands on a Mac

2020-09-26 Thread Brad Snyder

Hi Lorie,

You have 2 options that I can think of:

Option 1:
While holding down VO + CMD, press the Left-arrow key, which will change rotor 
options until you get to either characters or words.  Then while continuing to 
hold down the VO + CMD keys, use the up or down arrows to navigate by the 
selected option.

Option 2:
Assuming you are using a MacBook Pro or Air, turn on the trackPad commander 
using VO plus a clockwise 2-finger rotor action on the trackpad.  Then use the 
rotor to select either characters or words, then use a one finger flick either 
up or down to navigate by the selected option.

HTH.

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instead of quicknav, which I can't turn on right now because of a dead right 
arrow key, I've been using certain keyboard commands such as vo-commandl for 
links and vo-command-h for headings etc. my problem is that vo-command-w 
doesn't give me words and vo-command-c doesn't give me characters. are there 
keyboard commands for these?

Thanks,
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Re: Keyboard Commands for Zoom on my Mac

2020-08-20 Thread 'Dan' via MacVisionaries

Hi Kerryann,
Thanks a bunch, I really appreciate it. I am just getting started with zoom, so 
this will really help.


Danny

> On Aug 20, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hi I’ve pasted them below
> Computing | Digital Trends - Friday, April 3, 2020 at 5:51 PM
> 
> Best Zoom keyboard shortcuts to make you a video conferencing expert
> Jumping into a Zoom meeting is a great way to attend a meeting or webinar 
> remotely, or even connect with distant friends and family across the globe. 
> The best part of Zoom is that it’s free for basic meetings holding up to 100 
> people. If you want to learn how to become a Zoom master, we have assembled a 
> list of Zoom keyboard shortcuts that you can use to manage your meeting, 
> control your audio-video settings, and communicate with others, all with a 
> simple keystroke.
> 
> View keyboard shortcuts in Zoom
> While we have assembled all of Zoom’s keyboard shortcuts for Mac, PC, Linux, 
> and iOS below, you can also access a full list of shortcuts within the Zoom 
> desktop client itself. If you are running Zoom on your desktop computer, log 
> in to Zoom, then click on your profile photo in the upper-right corner, 
> select Settings from the drop-down list, and click Keyboard Shortcuts.
> 
> Zoom keyboard shortcuts on Mac
> Luke Larsen / Digital Trends
> 
> If you’re using a Mac to run Zoom, the following keyboard shortcuts will work 
> with desktop client versions 3.5.19877.0701 or higher. To obtain the latest 
> version of the Zoom desktop client for your Mac, visit the Zoom website.
> 
> Getting started with your meeting:
> 
> Command + J: Join meeting
> Command + Control + V: Start meeting
> Command + D: Schedule meeting
> Command + Control + S: Screen share via direct share
> Command + W: Prompt to end or leave meeting
> Control your audio and video:
> 
> Command + Shift + A: Mute/unmute audio
> Command + Control + M: Mute audio for everyone except the host
> Command + Control + U: Unmute audio for everyone except host
> Space: Push to talk
> Command + Shift + V: Start/stop video
> Command + Shift + N: Switch camera
> Command + Shift + S: Start/stop screen share
> Command + Shift + T: Pause or resume screen share
> Recording the meeting:
> 
> Command + Shift + R: Start local recording
> Command + Shift + C: Start cloud recording
> Command + Shift + P: Pause or resume recording
> Command + T: Screenshot
> Control your view:
> 
> Command + Shift + W: Switch to active speaker view or gallery view
> Control + P: View previous 25 participants in gallery view
> Control + N: View next 25 participants in gallery view
> Command + U: Display/hide participants panel
> Command + Shift + H: Show/hide in-meeting chat panel
> Command + I: Open invite window
> Command + W: Close the current window
> Command + L: Switch to portrait or landscape view
> Ctrl + T: Switch from one tab to the next
> Command + Shift + F: Enter or exit full-screen
> Command + Shift + M: Switch to minimal window
> Ctrl + Option + Command + H: Show/hide meeting controls
> Communicate with others:
> 
> Option + Y: Raise hand/lower hand
> Ctrl + Shift + R: Gain remote control
> Ctrl + Shift + G: Stop remote control
> Command + K: Jump to chat with someone
> 
>> On 20 Aug 2020, at 6:18 PM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hi,
>> Well, as the subject says. I am looking for a list of all the keyboard 
>> commands for using Zoom with VoiceOver on my mac.
>> Does anyone know of, or have a list of these commands?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Keyboard Commands for Zoom on my Mac

2020-08-20 Thread Kerryann Ifill

Hi I’ve pasted them below
Computing | Digital Trends - Friday, April 3, 2020 at 5:51 PM

Best Zoom keyboard shortcuts to make you a video conferencing expert
Jumping into a Zoom meeting 
 is a great way to 
attend a meeting or webinar remotely, or even connect with distant friends and 
family across the globe. The best part of Zoom is that it’s free for basic 
meetings holding up to 100 people. If you want to learn how to become a Zoom 
master , we have 
assembled a list of Zoom keyboard shortcuts that you can use to manage your 
meeting, control your audio-video settings, and communicate with others, all 
with a simple keystroke.

View keyboard shortcuts in Zoom
While we have assembled all of Zoom’s keyboard shortcuts for Mac, PC, Linux, 
and iOS below, you can also access a full list of shortcuts within the Zoom 
desktop client itself. If you are running Zoom on your desktop computer, log in 
to Zoom, then click on your profile photo in the upper-right corner, select 
Settings from the drop-down list, and click Keyboard Shortcuts.

Zoom keyboard shortcuts on Mac
Luke Larsen / Digital Trends

If you’re using a Mac to run Zoom, the following keyboard shortcuts will work 
with desktop client versions 3.5.19877.0701 or higher. To obtain the latest 
version of the Zoom desktop client for your Mac, visit the Zoom website 
.

Getting started with your meeting:

Command + J: Join meeting
Command + Control + V: Start meeting
Command + D: Schedule meeting
Command + Control + S: Screen share via direct share
Command + W: Prompt to end or leave meeting
Control your audio and video:

Command + Shift + A: Mute/unmute audio
Command + Control + M: Mute audio for everyone except the host
Command + Control + U: Unmute audio for everyone except host
Space: Push to talk
Command + Shift + V: Start/stop video
Command + Shift + N: Switch camera
Command + Shift + S: Start/stop screen share
Command + Shift + T: Pause or resume screen share
Recording the meeting:

Command + Shift + R: Start local recording
Command + Shift + C: Start cloud recording
Command + Shift + P: Pause or resume recording
Command + T: Screenshot
Control your view:

Command + Shift + W: Switch to active speaker view or gallery view
Control + P: View previous 25 participants in gallery view
Control + N: View next 25 participants in gallery view
Command + U: Display/hide participants panel
Command + Shift + H: Show/hide in-meeting chat panel
Command + I: Open invite window
Command + W: Close the current window
Command + L: Switch to portrait or landscape view
Ctrl + T: Switch from one tab to the next
Command + Shift + F: Enter or exit full-screen
Command + Shift + M: Switch to minimal window
Ctrl + Option + Command + H: Show/hide meeting controls
Communicate with others:

Option + Y: Raise hand/lower hand
Ctrl + Shift + R: Gain remote control
Ctrl + Shift + G: Stop remote control
Command + K: Jump to chat with someone

> On 20 Aug 2020, at 6:18 PM, 'Dan' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Well, as the subject says. I am looking for a list of all the keyboard 
> commands for using Zoom with VoiceOver on my mac.
> Does anyone know of, or have a list of these commands?
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Danny
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Re: Keyboard Commands

2016-02-01 Thread E.T.

   Tab works. What does  not seem to work  are these shortcuts. Ctrl f7 
to change the way Tab behaves and Ctrl f1 to enable or disable full 
keyboard access.


   And VO shift s to interact with the scroll bars that someone 
suggested doesn't work either.


   These are not deal breakers but if these shortcuts are enabled in 
Keyboard prefs. why are they not working? Am still poking around 
preferences to see what is going on.


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On 1/31/2016 4:49 PM, Grant wrote:

Hello E.T.,

The full keyboard access setting can also be changed in system
preferences. Select the keyboard button, choose the shortcuts tab, then
use VO+LEFT and VO+RIGHT to navigate through the window and youâ€™ll
eventually find the full keyboard access setting. As well, you might
want to set how the TAB KEY moves through web pages in Safari. That
setting can be adjusted in Safariâ€™s preferences under the advanced button.

As for your query about paging up and paging down, this has been a
concern for me, too, since I started using OS X. Iâ€™m not sure what the
best solution is either. As Alex mentioned, holding down an ARROW KEY
will at least move you through a list or text field at a pretty good clip.

Grant


On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:11 PM, E.T. > wrote:

Alex,
  The arrow keys do their thing, as do th4 Option up and down arrows.

  In Windows you can page up or down a long list of items. I may not
know what I am looking for or may just want to skip around these long
lists. If the Mac's Page Up and Page Down buttons don't work this way,
what are they for?

  Its been a while since I played with full keyboard access in
Yosemite but I remember that I could use the Ctrl f7 combination to
toggle it on and off. That shortcut is still in El Cap and is enabled,
just does not seem to work.

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Re: Keyboard Commands

2016-01-31 Thread E.T.


Alex,
   I hate using the arrow keys like that but I have and when I have 
done so, always wondered why there was no way to page up and down.


   Tab works. I was looking at any changes in El Capitan and was trying 
things out and working to learn new keystrokes. So many of them.


   Maybe I will send an email to Apple about page up and down.

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On 1/31/2016 6:16 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

I can't find a way to move by pages, or 10 results at a time, or anything like 
that For huge lists, I'll usually just hold down the arrow key for a second, 
and that moves quite a ways.

Can you explain more the problem with full access? Is tab not tabbing, or is it 
something different?

On Jan 31, 2016, at 00:11, E.T.  wrote:

Alex,
   The arrow keys do their thing, as do th4 Option up and down arrows.

   In Windows you can page up or down a long list of items. I may not know what 
I am looking for or may just want to skip around these long lists. If the Mac's 
Page Up and Page Down buttons don't work this way, what are they for?

   Its been a while since I played with full keyboard access in Yosemite but I 
remember that I could use the Ctrl f7 combination to toggle it on and off. That 
shortcut is still in El Cap and is enabled, just does not seem to work.

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On 1/30/2016 8:01 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "paging up and down"? To move by item, use the 
arrow keys; to jump to the top or bottom, use option-up/down; to find an item, start 
typing its name. All these require Quick Nav to be off.

To my knowledge, full keyboard access hasn't moved. But I tend to leave that 
set and never touch it, so I may have missed it. If ctrl-f7 isn't working, are 
you sure you don't need to press the function key with the keystroke?

On Jan 30, 2016, at 18:45, E.T.  wrote:

   I have not yet mastered all the common navigation commands. One I need is 
paging up and down long lists, using list view. I use either VO commands or OS 
X, it does not matter.

   Also, in Yosemite, full keyboard access was toggled with Ctrl f7. It does 
not seem to work though I think its set in Keyboard prefs which is different in 
El Capitan.

   If I can just get a handle on the OS X / Voiceover way of doing things, I 
will be happy.

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Re: Keyboard Commands

2016-01-31 Thread Jonathan Cohn

There are VO commands for moving to the top of the visible screen, I can’t 
remember what happens when you hit them twice. These are now vo+shift+PageUp 
and VO+SHift+PageDown. On conpact keyboards, PageUp and PageDown are done with 
FN and Left or right arrow keys.

Also, VO+shift+S will allow you to control the scroll bar.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
 .

> On Jan 31, 2016, at 13:46, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Alex,
>   I hate using the arrow keys like that but I have and when I have done so, 
> always wondered why there was no way to page up and down.
> 
>   Tab works. I was looking at any changes in El Capitan and was trying things 
> out and working to learn new keystrokes. So many of them.
> 
>   Maybe I will send an email to Apple about page up and down.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> 
> On 1/31/2016 6:16 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> I can't find a way to move by pages, or 10 results at a time, or anything 
>> like that For huge lists, I'll usually just hold down the arrow key for a 
>> second, and that moves quite a ways.
>> 
>> Can you explain more the problem with full access? Is tab not tabbing, or is 
>> it something different?
>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 00:11, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alex,
>>>   The arrow keys do their thing, as do th4 Option up and down arrows.
>>> 
>>>   In Windows you can page up or down a long list of items. I may not know 
>>> what I am looking for or may just want to skip around these long lists. If 
>>> the Mac's Page Up and Page Down buttons don't work this way, what are they 
>>> for?
>>> 
>>>   Its been a while since I played with full keyboard access in Yosemite but 
>>> I remember that I could use the Ctrl f7 combination to toggle it on and 
>>> off. That shortcut is still in El Cap and is enabled, just does not seem to 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 1/30/2016 8:01 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 I'm not sure what you mean by "paging up and down"? To move by item, use 
 the arrow keys; to jump to the top or bottom, use option-up/down; to find 
 an item, start typing its name. All these require Quick Nav to be off.
 
 To my knowledge, full keyboard access hasn't moved. But I tend to leave 
 that set and never touch it, so I may have missed it. If ctrl-f7 isn't 
 working, are you sure you don't need to press the function key with the 
 keystroke?
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 18:45, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I have not yet mastered all the common navigation commands. One I need 
> is paging up and down long lists, using list view. I use either VO 
> commands or OS X, it does not matter.
> 
>   Also, in Yosemite, full keyboard access was toggled with Ctrl f7. It 
> does not seem to work though I think its set in Keyboard prefs which is 
> different in El Capitan.
> 
>   If I can just get a handle on the OS X / Voiceover way of doing things, 
> I will be happy.
> 
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Re: Keyboard Commands

2016-01-31 Thread Grant

Hello E.T.,

The full keyboard access setting can also be changed in system preferences. 
Select the keyboard button, choose the shortcuts tab, then use VO+LEFT and 
VO+RIGHT to navigate through the window and you’ll eventually find the full 
keyboard access setting. As well, you might want to set how the TAB KEY moves 
through web pages in Safari. That setting can be adjusted in Safari’s 
preferences under the advanced button.

As for your query about paging up and paging down, this has been a concern for 
me, too, since I started using OS X. I’m not sure what the best solution is 
either. As Alex mentioned, holding down an ARROW KEY will at least move you 
through a list or text field at a pretty good clip.

Grant

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:11 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Alex,
>   The arrow keys do their thing, as do th4 Option up and down arrows.
> 
>   In Windows you can page up or down a long list of items. I may not know 
> what I am looking for or may just want to skip around these long lists. If 
> the Mac's Page Up and Page Down buttons don't work this way, what are they 
> for?
> 
>   Its been a while since I played with full keyboard access in Yosemite but I 
> remember that I could use the Ctrl f7 combination to toggle it on and off. 
> That shortcut is still in El Cap and is enabled, just does not seem to work.
> 
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Re: Keyboard Commands

2016-01-31 Thread Alex Hall

I can't find a way to move by pages, or 10 results at a time, or anything like 
that For huge lists, I'll usually just hold down the arrow key for a second, 
and that moves quite a ways.

Can you explain more the problem with full access? Is tab not tabbing, or is it 
something different?
> On Jan 31, 2016, at 00:11, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Alex,
>   The arrow keys do their thing, as do th4 Option up and down arrows.
> 
>   In Windows you can page up or down a long list of items. I may not know 
> what I am looking for or may just want to skip around these long lists. If 
> the Mac's Page Up and Page Down buttons don't work this way, what are they 
> for?
> 
>   Its been a while since I played with full keyboard access in Yosemite but I 
> remember that I could use the Ctrl f7 combination to toggle it on and off. 
> That shortcut is still in El Cap and is enabled, just does not seem to work.
> 
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> On 1/30/2016 8:01 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "paging up and down"? To move by item, use the 
>> arrow keys; to jump to the top or bottom, use option-up/down; to find an 
>> item, start typing its name. All these require Quick Nav to be off.
>> 
>> To my knowledge, full keyboard access hasn't moved. But I tend to leave that 
>> set and never touch it, so I may have missed it. If ctrl-f7 isn't working, 
>> are you sure you don't need to press the function key with the keystroke?
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 18:45, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I have not yet mastered all the common navigation commands. One I need is 
>>> paging up and down long lists, using list view. I use either VO commands or 
>>> OS X, it does not matter.
>>> 
>>>   Also, in Yosemite, full keyboard access was toggled with Ctrl f7. It does 
>>> not seem to work though I think its set in Keyboard prefs which is 
>>> different in El Capitan.
>>> 
>>>   If I can just get a handle on the OS X / Voiceover way of doing things, I 
>>> will be happy.
>>> 
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Re: Keyboard Commands

2016-01-30 Thread Alex Hall

I'm not sure what you mean by "paging up and down"? To move by item, use the 
arrow keys; to jump to the top or bottom, use option-up/down; to find an item, 
start typing its name. All these require Quick Nav to be off.

To my knowledge, full keyboard access hasn't moved. But I tend to leave that 
set and never touch it, so I may have missed it. If ctrl-f7 isn't working, are 
you sure you don't need to press the function key with the keystroke?
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 18:45, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I have not yet mastered all the common navigation commands. One I need is 
> paging up and down long lists, using list view. I use either VO commands or 
> OS X, it does not matter.
> 
>   Also, in Yosemite, full keyboard access was toggled with Ctrl f7. It does 
> not seem to work though I think its set in Keyboard prefs which is different 
> in El Capitan.
> 
>   If I can just get a handle on the OS X / Voiceover way of doing things, I 
> will be happy.
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Re: Keyboard Commands

2016-01-30 Thread E.T.


Alex,
   The arrow keys do their thing, as do th4 Option up and down arrows.

   In Windows you can page up or down a long list of items. I may not 
know what I am looking for or may just want to skip around these long 
lists. If the Mac's Page Up and Page Down buttons don't work this way, 
what are they for?


   Its been a while since I played with full keyboard access in 
Yosemite but I remember that I could use the Ctrl f7 combination to 
toggle it on and off. That shortcut is still in El Cap and is enabled, 
just does not seem to work.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/30/2016 8:01 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "paging up and down"? To move by item, use the 
arrow keys; to jump to the top or bottom, use option-up/down; to find an item, start 
typing its name. All these require Quick Nav to be off.

To my knowledge, full keyboard access hasn't moved. But I tend to leave that 
set and never touch it, so I may have missed it. If ctrl-f7 isn't working, are 
you sure you don't need to press the function key with the keystroke?

On Jan 30, 2016, at 18:45, E.T.  wrote:

   I have not yet mastered all the common navigation commands. One I need is 
paging up and down long lists, using list view. I use either VO commands or OS 
X, it does not matter.

   Also, in Yosemite, full keyboard access was toggled with Ctrl f7. It does 
not seem to work though I think its set in Keyboard prefs which is different in 
El Capitan.

   If I can just get a handle on the OS X / Voiceover way of doing things, I 
will be happy.

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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-23 Thread Steve Griffiths

The official list is here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

Steve

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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Ring

That's exactly what I wanted! Thanks!


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 The official list is here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343
 
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 That is exactly right! I know how to find VoiceOver commands, I want a list 
 of Mavericks keyboard commands.
 
 
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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread Daniel Hawkins

HOld down VO and hit h twice, scroll down and you will see keyboard commands, 
just go right and ta-da~
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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Ring

Because they’re not up to date.


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 Why not use Vo-h-h to review them all?
 
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 I know that some of them have changed.
 
 
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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread David Taylor

Why not use Vo-h-h to review them all?

Cheers
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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread April Brown

I have links to several lists.  Can't figure out where to use what commands 
though.

http://www.applevis.com/guides/accessories/getting-started-your-mac-using-voiceover


http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-keyboard-shortcuts-mac-os-x

http://www.applevis.com/guides/accessories/getting-started-your-mac-using-voiceover

http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1131.html

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.9/English.lproj/_1205.html

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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread David Taylor

They are as far as I can tell, if you can find any that aren't, you might want 
to check and report to Apple Accessibility. For example, the one that changed, 
toggle multiple selection, has been updated, and the new perform action, 
vo-command-space is listed correctly.

Cheers
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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread Shawn AKA BBS

Hi David and others. I think what Richard was asking for is keyboard 
shortcuts for Mavericks in general, not just Voiceover. Richard, if I'm 
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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Ring

That is exactly right! I know how to find VoiceOver commands, I want a list of 
Mavericks keyboard commands.


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 Hi David and others. I think what Richard was asking for is keyboard 
 shortcuts for Mavericks in general, not just Voiceover. Richard, if I'm 
 mistaken, please correct me.
 
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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread April Brown

Okay.  The one I have is from W3schools, and has both Windows and Mac.   I 
don't have a link though, just a printed copy.

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:02:44 PM UTC-5, Rich wrote:

 That is exactly right! I know how to find VoiceOver commands, I want a 
 list of Mavericks keyboard commands.


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Re: Keyboard commands in Mavericks

2014-01-22 Thread Jim Gatteys

yeah but that only gives you voiceover commands. There are so many other
standard apple keyboard commands.
I found these the other day. And there may be more.
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/handy-keyboard-shortcuts-for-os-x-mavericks.html?cid=RSS_DUMMIES2_CONTENT
On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Daniel Hawkins computersassocia...@gmail.com
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HOld down VO and hit h twice, scroll down and you will see keyboard commands,
just go right and ta-da~
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On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello:
Is there a list of keyboard commands in Mavericks available somewhere?
I know that some of them have changed.

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Re: keyboard commands for iOS devices using bluetooth?

2012-08-20 Thread Rachel Feinberg

Try vo space to double tap. Or, with quick navigation on, toggled by the left 
and right arrow being pressed together, you can press up/down arrow together.
The vo keys are the control and option keys, which are the 2nd and 3rd keys on 
the bottom left row. The keys in order from left to right are as follows, using 
an apple wireless keyboard:
function, control, option, command, space, another command key, and the option 
key. Then the normal arrows.
Rachel
On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello everyone. I seem to be having problems woth clicking buttons on the 
 keyboard. the command-spacebar nor the enter keys seem to work. any solutions?
 
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Re: keyboard commands for iOS devices using bluetooth?

2012-08-20 Thread Damashe Thomas


Hi,
Here are a couple of sites you may want to take a look at
http://www.hllf.net/
Contains a detailed list of iOS bluetooth keyboard commands
http://axslab.com/articles/ios-voiceover-gestures-and-keyboard-commands.php
Contains commands for bluetooth keyboard commands, gestures and commands for 
use with most braille displays.
I hope these help, they helped me a lot last year, I found out I could do a 
lot more with my keyboard than I thought. Any thanks is owed to Ester, who 
posted these links last year on the viPhone list.



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hello everyone. I seem to be having problems woth clicking buttons on the 
keyboard. the command-spacebar nor the enter keys seem to work. any 
solutions?


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