RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Yeah it always amazed me that the charging port was on the bottom which means 
no use when charging,
Mind you great battery life so charge when not using if youc an.

Yet the touch pad and that’s both versions have switchs on the back / charging 
ports on the back as well.

Odd but yes very ergodynamic

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 4:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

Simon,

I would guess that it has to do with ergonomics and style.  They like to make 
sure that there is no unnecessary bulk to their devices.  Now, that being said, 
it is a huge inconvenience that the charging port is located where it is and 
have expressed it to many people I deal with.  I have not mentioned it to Apple 
though as I'm just a pee-on and my input doesn't mean a heck of a lot.  Good 
question though :).

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 30, 2020, at 02:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Actually Tim,

Answer me this one,

I’ve always wondered why apple put the lightening port on the bottom of the 
mouse meaning you can’t use it when it’s being charged,

Now we all think you know everything hence we call you apple god,

So why did that be done?

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, 30 March 2020 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

Hi,

To add to Brad's info, for the mouse, when bottom up so that you have access to 
the charging port, the port would be at six o'clock and the power switch would 
be at about 1 o'clock.  move the switch up to power on and down to power off.  
Similar to the keyboard as Brad explained, the initial pairing of the mouse can 
be done by plugging in the charge cable to your Mac.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:29, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

The bluetooth keyboard is powered by an internal rechargeable battery.  A 
Lightning to USB-A cable is included with the keyboard for charging, just like 
an iPhone.  This cable can also be used for initial pairing with the mac mini.
The Lightning port is located dead-center along the top edge of the keyboard.  
The little slide switch you feel is used to turn power on/off.

If you purchased a Magic Bluetooth mouse, it also comes with a Lightning to 
USB-A cable for charging and initial pairing.  The Lightning port on the mouse 
is on the bottom side of the mouse.  It is hard to find, but it is located a 
little forward of center.  There may also be a power switch on the mouse, but 
I’m not sure where it is.  My wife has one of these units, but I don’t use one 
myself because I prefer to use a trackpad.

Battery life on both is pretty good.  Depending on your use, you may only need 
to charge the keyboard and mouse about once a month, of course your mileage may 
vary.

HTH

- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:46, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks, Brad. This is incredibly valuable info to me.


Do you know about powering the bluetooth keyboard? I would imagine
there's some kind of batteries involved, but I can find nothing that
feels like a compartment for them. I feel the tiny little slide switch
on the upper right hand outer corner. But, my Airbook doesn't offer the
keyboard for pairing whichever slide position I have the keyboard switch
in.

Thanks!

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:


Janina,

The Mac mini’s power button is on the right rear corner.  You should have no 
trouble finding it.

I use an older Mac USB keyboard from 2006 on my mini, but my wife has a newer 
version on her iMac with the same layout as the newer full-size bluetooth 
keyboards.
The Qwerty area is pretty much the same as on your MB Air, with a few 
exceptions:
1.  The Fn key is relocated to the upper left corner of the “six pack” extended 
key area, where the Insert key is normally located.
2.  There are 3 keys on either side of the spacebar, so you get a second CTRL 
key.
3.  the Eject key is located to the right of the F12 key, same as on the MB 
Air's keyboard.
4.  There are additional F-keys located above the six-pack area and the NumPad 
area.  I have never found a use for these keys.

You can of course turn on VO’s keyboard help to explore the keyboard.
If you connect the USB keyboard to the Mac mini with the included USB to  
Lightning cable, it will automatically pair.  Same is true for a bluetooth 
mouse.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 28, 2020, at 05:37, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi, Bard:

I got the full ekyboard with numeric keypad. Despite that, it's st

Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Simon,

I would guess that it has to do with ergonomics and style.  They like to make 
sure that there is no unnecessary bulk to their devices.  Now, that being said, 
it is a huge inconvenience that the charging port is located where it is and 
have expressed it to many people I deal with.  I have not mentioned it to Apple 
though as I'm just a pee-on and my input doesn't mean a heck of a lot.  Good 
question though :).

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 30, 2020, at 02:21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Actually Tim,
 
Answer me this one,
 
I’ve always wondered why apple put the lightening port on the bottom of the 
mouse meaning you can’t use it when it’s being charged,
 
Now we all think you know everything hence we call you apple god,
 
So why did that be done?
 
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 30 March 2020 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
 
Hi,
 
To add to Brad's info, for the mouse, when bottom up so that you have access to 
the charging port, the port would be at six o'clock and the power switch would 
be at about 1 o'clock.  move the switch up to power on and down to power off.  
Similar to the keyboard as Brad explained, the initial pairing of the mouse can 
be done by plugging in the charge cable to your Mac.
 
HTH.
 
Later...
 

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:29, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
 
The bluetooth keyboard is powered by an internal rechargeable battery.  A 
Lightning to USB-A cable is included with the keyboard for charging, just like 
an iPhone.  This cable can also be used for initial pairing with the mac mini.
The Lightning port is located dead-center along the top edge of the keyboard.  
The little slide switch you feel is used to turn power on/off.
 
If you purchased a Magic Bluetooth mouse, it also comes with a Lightning to 
USB-A cable for charging and initial pairing.  The Lightning port on the mouse 
is on the bottom side of the mouse.  It is hard to find, but it is located a 
little forward of center.  There may also be a power switch on the mouse, but 
I’m not sure where it is.  My wife has one of these units, but I don’t use one 
myself because I prefer to use a trackpad.
 
Battery life on both is pretty good.  Depending on your use, you may only need 
to charge the keyboard and mouse about once a month, of course your mileage may 
vary.
 
HTH

- Brad -

 
On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:46, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
Thanks, Brad. This is incredibly valuable info to me.


Do you know about powering the bluetooth keyboard? I would imagine
there's some kind of batteries involved, but I can find nothing that
feels like a compartment for them. I feel the tiny little slide switch
on the upper right hand outer corner. But, my Airbook doesn't offer the
keyboard for pairing whichever slide position I have the keyboard switch
in.

Thanks!

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:

Janina,

The Mac mini’s power button is on the right rear corner.  You should have no 
trouble finding it.

I use an older Mac USB keyboard from 2006 on my mini, but my wife has a newer 
version on her iMac with the same layout as the newer full-size bluetooth 
keyboards.
The Qwerty area is pretty much the same as on your MB Air, with a few 
exceptions:
1.  The Fn key is relocated to the upper left corner of the “six pack” extended 
key area, where the Insert key is normally located.
2.  There are 3 keys on either side of the spacebar, so you get a second CTRL 
key.
3.  the Eject key is located to the right of the F12 key, same as on the MB 
Air's keyboard.
4.  There are additional F-keys located above the six-pack area and the NumPad 
area.  I have never found a use for these keys.

You can of course turn on VO’s keyboard help to explore the keyboard.
If you connect the USB keyboard to the Mac mini with the included USB to  
Lightning cable, it will automatically pair.  Same is true for a bluetooth 
mouse.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 28, 2020, at 05:37, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi, Bard:

I got the full ekyboard with numeric keypad. Despite that, it's still
quite compellingly compact.

I'm not sure I know what all the keys are. Do you know of a writeup
somewhere about the physical key layout?

Frankly, I have the same question about the Mini itself. I'm wondering
whether I'll guess it's various ports. I imagine I'l get most of them,
but there may still be some uncertainty. For instance, how does one turn
it on?

When I got my Airbook back in 2014 I literally had to call a Mac using
friend to say: "How do you turn this thing on?"

It also took me a bit to figure out how the power supply came apart and
then

RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Simon A Fogarty]

Actually Tim,

Answer me this one,

I’ve always wondered why apple put the lightening port on the bottom of the 
mouse meaning you can’t use it when it’s being charged,

Now we all think you know everything hence we call you apple god,

So why did that be done?

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 30 March 2020 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

Hi,

To add to Brad's info, for the mouse, when bottom up so that you have access to 
the charging port, the port would be at six o'clock and the power switch would 
be at about 1 o'clock.  move the switch up to power on and down to power off.  
Similar to the keyboard as Brad explained, the initial pairing of the mouse can 
be done by plugging in the charge cable to your Mac.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:29, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

The bluetooth keyboard is powered by an internal rechargeable battery.  A 
Lightning to USB-A cable is included with the keyboard for charging, just like 
an iPhone.  This cable can also be used for initial pairing with the mac mini.
The Lightning port is located dead-center along the top edge of the keyboard.  
The little slide switch you feel is used to turn power on/off.

If you purchased a Magic Bluetooth mouse, it also comes with a Lightning to 
USB-A cable for charging and initial pairing.  The Lightning port on the mouse 
is on the bottom side of the mouse.  It is hard to find, but it is located a 
little forward of center.  There may also be a power switch on the mouse, but 
I’m not sure where it is.  My wife has one of these units, but I don’t use one 
myself because I prefer to use a trackpad.

Battery life on both is pretty good.  Depending on your use, you may only need 
to charge the keyboard and mouse about once a month, of course your mileage may 
vary.

HTH

- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:46, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks, Brad. This is incredibly valuable info to me.


Do you know about powering the bluetooth keyboard? I would imagine
there's some kind of batteries involved, but I can find nothing that
feels like a compartment for them. I feel the tiny little slide switch
on the upper right hand outer corner. But, my Airbook doesn't offer the
keyboard for pairing whichever slide position I have the keyboard switch
in.

Thanks!

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:

Janina,

The Mac mini’s power button is on the right rear corner.  You should have no 
trouble finding it.

I use an older Mac USB keyboard from 2006 on my mini, but my wife has a newer 
version on her iMac with the same layout as the newer full-size bluetooth 
keyboards.
The Qwerty area is pretty much the same as on your MB Air, with a few 
exceptions:
1.  The Fn key is relocated to the upper left corner of the “six pack” extended 
key area, where the Insert key is normally located.
2.  There are 3 keys on either side of the spacebar, so you get a second CTRL 
key.
3.  the Eject key is located to the right of the F12 key, same as on the MB 
Air's keyboard.
4.  There are additional F-keys located above the six-pack area and the NumPad 
area.  I have never found a use for these keys.

You can of course turn on VO’s keyboard help to explore the keyboard.
If you connect the USB keyboard to the Mac mini with the included USB to  
Lightning cable, it will automatically pair.  Same is true for a bluetooth 
mouse.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 28, 2020, at 05:37, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi, Bard:

I got the full ekyboard with numeric keypad. Despite that, it's still
quite compellingly compact.

I'm not sure I know what all the keys are. Do you know of a writeup
somewhere about the physical key layout?

Frankly, I have the same question about the Mini itself. I'm wondering
whether I'll guess it's various ports. I imagine I'l get most of them,
but there may still be some uncertainty. For instance, how does one turn
it on?

When I got my Airbook back in 2014 I literally had to call a Mac using
friend to say: "How do you turn this thing on?"

It also took me a bit to figure out how the power supply came apart and
then back together in particular combinations.

Apple builds awesome hardware, but sometimes these details can be
unclear to the uninitiated.

PS: Delivery is scheduled for next Friday, April 3. I've got my fingers
crossed that it will be afternoon. I've medical appointments in the AM
both Thursday and Friday I can't skip.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:

Hi Janina,

Did you get the smaller (laptop layout) bluetooth keyboard or the full size 
model with NumPad.

- Brad -


On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:04, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hey, Matthew. I bet you forg

Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

 mention a network connection? Surely
>> your Mini isn't off the grid? 
>> 
>> Just teasing you a little!
>> 
>> PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
>> I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
>> pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> matthew dyer writes:
>>> Brad,
>>> 
>>> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard 
>>> and my external HD for backups.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 
>>> <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> From: Brad Snyder<mailto:wb...@swbell.net <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
>>> 
>>> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using 
>>> a DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
>>> presents of a monitor?
>>> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a 
>>> Mac mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
>>> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
>>> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer >> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com><mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com
>>>  <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using 
>>> a mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you 
>>> should be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is 
>>> your opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from 
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>>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via 
>>> MacVisionaries<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
>>> 
>>> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
>>> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

; >> Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
> >> your Mini isn't off the grid? 
> >> 
> >> Just teasing you a little!
> >> 
> >> PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
> >> I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
> >> pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> matthew dyer writes:
> >>> Brad,
> >>> 
> >>> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard 
> >>> and my external HD for backups.  HTH.
> >>> 
> >>> Matthew
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> >>> Windows 10
> >>> 
> >>> From: Brad Snyder<mailto:wb...@swbell.net>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
> >>> To: 
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> >>> 
> >>> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you 
> >>> using a DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate 
> >>> the presents of a monitor?
> >>> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a 
> >>> Mac mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate 
> >>> the presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 
> >>> and 2014 minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> >>> - Brad -
> >>> 
> >>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
> >>> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>>
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am 
> >>> using a mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes 
> >>> you should be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault 
> >>> key is your opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> >>> 
> >>> Matthew
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from 
> >>> Mail<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986=02%7C01%7C%7C045c28079b144a7832a308d7d0cf7e9d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207461904014755=rQT1RPO3%2BuB9Sy4WBwY%2BJUMn8f3u8dFr5zyeT4FDhuY%3D=0>
> >>>  for Windows 10
> >>> 
> >>> From: Dave Carlson<mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
> >>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via 
> >>> MacVisionaries<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> >>> 
> >>> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> >>> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> >>> 
> >>> Dave Carlson
> >>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

The bluetooth keyboard is powered by an internal rechargeable battery.  A 
Lightning to USB-A cable is included with the keyboard for charging, just like 
an iPhone.  This cable can also be used for initial pairing with the mac mini.
The Lightning port is located dead-center along the top edge of the keyboard.  
The little slide switch you feel is used to turn power on/off.

If you purchased a Magic Bluetooth mouse, it also comes with a Lightning to 
USB-A cable for charging and initial pairing.  The Lightning port on the mouse 
is on the bottom side of the mouse.  It is hard to find, but it is located a 
little forward of center.  There may also be a power switch on the mouse, but 
I’m not sure where it is.  My wife has one of these units, but I don’t use one 
myself because I prefer to use a trackpad.

Battery life on both is pretty good.  Depending on your use, you may only need 
to charge the keyboard and mouse about once a month, of course your mileage may 
vary.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:46, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks, Brad. This is incredibly valuable info to me.


Do you know about powering the bluetooth keyboard? I would imagine
there's some kind of batteries involved, but I can find nothing that
feels like a compartment for them. I feel the tiny little slide switch
on the upper right hand outer corner. But, my Airbook doesn't offer the
keyboard for pairing whichever slide position I have the keyboard switch
in.

Thanks!

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Janina,
> 
> The Mac mini’s power button is on the right rear corner.  You should have no 
> trouble finding it.
> 
> I use an older Mac USB keyboard from 2006 on my mini, but my wife has a newer 
> version on her iMac with the same layout as the newer full-size bluetooth 
> keyboards.
> The Qwerty area is pretty much the same as on your MB Air, with a few 
> exceptions:
> 1.  The Fn key is relocated to the upper left corner of the “six pack” 
> extended key area, where the Insert key is normally located.
> 2.  There are 3 keys on either side of the spacebar, so you get a second CTRL 
> key.
> 3.  the Eject key is located to the right of the F12 key, same as on the MB 
> Air's keyboard.
> 4.  There are additional F-keys located above the six-pack area and the 
> NumPad area.  I have never found a use for these keys.
> 
> You can of course turn on VO’s keyboard help to explore the keyboard.
> If you connect the USB keyboard to the Mac mini with the included USB to  
> Lightning cable, it will automatically pair.  Same is true for a bluetooth 
> mouse.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 28, 2020, at 05:37, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Bard:
> 
> I got the full ekyboard with numeric keypad. Despite that, it's still
> quite compellingly compact.
> 
> I'm not sure I know what all the keys are. Do you know of a writeup
> somewhere about the physical key layout?
> 
> Frankly, I have the same question about the Mini itself. I'm wondering
> whether I'll guess it's various ports. I imagine I'l get most of them,
> but there may still be some uncertainty. For instance, how does one turn
> it on?
> 
> When I got my Airbook back in 2014 I literally had to call a Mac using
> friend to say: "How do you turn this thing on?"
> 
> It also took me a bit to figure out how the power supply came apart and
> then back together in particular combinations.
> 
> Apple builds awesome hardware, but sometimes these details can be
> unclear to the uninitiated.
> 
> PS: Delivery is scheduled for next Friday, April 3. I've got my fingers
> crossed that it will be afternoon. I've medical appointments in the AM
> both Thursday and Friday I can't skip.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Brad Snyder writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>> 
>> Did you get the smaller (laptop layout) bluetooth keyboard or the full size 
>> model with NumPad.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:04, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
>> your Mini isn't off the grid? 
>> 
>> Just teasing you a little!
>> 
>> PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
>> I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
>> pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> matthew dyer writes:
>>> Brad,
>>> 
>>> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard 
>>> and my external HD for backups.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Brad. This is incredibly valuable info to me.


Do you know about powering the bluetooth keyboard? I would imagine
there's some kind of batteries involved, but I can find nothing that
feels like a compartment for them. I feel the tiny little slide switch
on the upper right hand outer corner. But, my Airbook doesn't offer the
keyboard for pairing whichever slide position I have the keyboard switch
in.

Thanks!

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Janina,
> 
> The Mac mini’s power button is on the right rear corner.  You should have no 
> trouble finding it.
> 
> I use an older Mac USB keyboard from 2006 on my mini, but my wife has a newer 
> version on her iMac with the same layout as the newer full-size bluetooth 
> keyboards.
> The Qwerty area is pretty much the same as on your MB Air, with a few 
> exceptions:
> 1.  The Fn key is relocated to the upper left corner of the “six pack” 
> extended key area, where the Insert key is normally located.
> 2.  There are 3 keys on either side of the spacebar, so you get a second CTRL 
> key.
> 3.  the Eject key is located to the right of the F12 key, same as on the MB 
> Air's keyboard.
> 4.  There are additional F-keys located above the six-pack area and the 
> NumPad area.  I have never found a use for these keys.
> 
> You can of course turn on VO’s keyboard help to explore the keyboard.
> If you connect the USB keyboard to the Mac mini with the included USB to  
> Lightning cable, it will automatically pair.  Same is true for a bluetooth 
> mouse.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 28, 2020, at 05:37, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Bard:
> 
> I got the full ekyboard with numeric keypad. Despite that, it's still
> quite compellingly compact.
> 
> I'm not sure I know what all the keys are. Do you know of a writeup
> somewhere about the physical key layout?
> 
> Frankly, I have the same question about the Mini itself. I'm wondering
> whether I'll guess it's various ports. I imagine I'l get most of them,
> but there may still be some uncertainty. For instance, how does one turn
> it on?
> 
> When I got my Airbook back in 2014 I literally had to call a Mac using
> friend to say: "How do you turn this thing on?"
> 
> It also took me a bit to figure out how the power supply came apart and
> then back together in particular combinations.
> 
> Apple builds awesome hardware, but sometimes these details can be
> unclear to the uninitiated.
> 
> PS: Delivery is scheduled for next Friday, April 3. I've got my fingers
> crossed that it will be afternoon. I've medical appointments in the AM
> both Thursday and Friday I can't skip.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Brad Snyder writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> > Did you get the smaller (laptop layout) bluetooth keyboard or the full size 
> > model with NumPad.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > 
> > On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:04, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
> > your Mini isn't off the grid? 
> > 
> > Just teasing you a little!
> > 
> > PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
> > I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
> > pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > matthew dyer writes:
> >> Brad,
> >> 
> >> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard 
> >> and my external HD for backups.  HTH.
> >> 
> >> Matthew
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 
> >> 10
> >> 
> >> From: Brad Snyder<mailto:wb...@swbell.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> >> 
> >> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you 
> >> using a DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate 
> >> the presents of a monitor?
> >> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a 
> >> Mac mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> >> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 
> >> 2014 minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> >> - Brad -
> >> 
> >> On Mar 25, 

RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Simon A Fogarty]

Oh baby that talk will get you anything! Lol.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2020 11:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

lol, Simon. You made me smile, a good thing these days.

PS: You know I love you anyway, right? 

Simon A Fogarty writes:
> Janina,
> 
> Did you order one for me as well?
> 
> Even better did you order me 2 of them?
> 
>  I'll tell you I love you lots!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 9:54 PM
> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model Mac Mini 
> speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial installation 
> and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as possible when I bring 
> up a new device for the first time. There's always the rest of my life with 
> that device for getting more nuanced and full featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date, I'm 
> wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's a 
> nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered with 
> my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these, with 
> no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the Mini work 
> with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set my passwords and 
> my network connection that way and worry about my Apple bluetooth keyboard 
> later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their Apple 
> machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn itself on 
> after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone through that process 
> once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures  http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

Im doing the opposite 
I'm having to work from home like the rest of new zealdn and as my work 
computer is a windows machine I'm still using a mac full keyboard num pad.

I just find the typing better than the dell windows keyboard that I have for 
the computer 

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2020 11:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

Thanks, Simon.

This is interesting. Since I'm not looking to type, why not just use the same 
USB keyboard I'm happily pecking at right now? Who cares if I remap Windows and 
Alt? They'll be Windows and Alt again when I have the KVM switch machines, 
right? So why not swap them when the KVM is talking to the Mini? I think this 
might be a very useful setup.

So, if that's the case, any reason the Mini can't accept from multiple 
keyboards? Could I have both the wireless and a wired keyboard on line and and 
functionging? So I could choose whichever suited? I do that with my Linux PC 
where I have a USB connect wifi keyboard I use sometimes when sitting on my 
porch.

I guess there things we blind folk can do with our computers that sighted folk 
wouldn't concieve of, since they're so tied to looking at a monitor somewhere.

Best,

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:
> Also when you start the mac up it will put you through a a setup 
> process for the keyboard and ask you to push z and /
> 
> Other wise as stated windows key is command and alt is option.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 2:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
> Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
> OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
> Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
> 
> So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
> processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
> considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
> that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
> lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
> overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model Mac Mini 
> speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial 
> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as 
> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's 
> always the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced 
> and full featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date, 
> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. 
> That's a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in 
> the home office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I 
> ordered with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered 
> before the Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these, 
> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the 
> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set 
> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my 
> Apple bluetooth keyboard later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring 
> their Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will 
> turn itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only 
> gone through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:  http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative 
> (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures 
> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

Janina,

The Mac mini’s power button is on the right rear corner.  You should have no 
trouble finding it.

I use an older Mac USB keyboard from 2006 on my mini, but my wife has a newer 
version on her iMac with the same layout as the newer full-size bluetooth 
keyboards.
The Qwerty area is pretty much the same as on your MB Air, with a few 
exceptions:
1.  The Fn key is relocated to the upper left corner of the “six pack” extended 
key area, where the Insert key is normally located.
2.  There are 3 keys on either side of the spacebar, so you get a second CTRL 
key.
3.  the Eject key is located to the right of the F12 key, same as on the MB 
Air's keyboard.
4.  There are additional F-keys located above the six-pack area and the NumPad 
area.  I have never found a use for these keys.

You can of course turn on VO’s keyboard help to explore the keyboard.
If you connect the USB keyboard to the Mac mini with the included USB to  
Lightning cable, it will automatically pair.  Same is true for a bluetooth 
mouse.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 28, 2020, at 05:37, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi, Bard:

I got the full ekyboard with numeric keypad. Despite that, it's still
quite compellingly compact.

I'm not sure I know what all the keys are. Do you know of a writeup
somewhere about the physical key layout?

Frankly, I have the same question about the Mini itself. I'm wondering
whether I'll guess it's various ports. I imagine I'l get most of them,
but there may still be some uncertainty. For instance, how does one turn
it on?

When I got my Airbook back in 2014 I literally had to call a Mac using
friend to say: "How do you turn this thing on?"

It also took me a bit to figure out how the power supply came apart and
then back together in particular combinations.

Apple builds awesome hardware, but sometimes these details can be
unclear to the uninitiated.

PS: Delivery is scheduled for next Friday, April 3. I've got my fingers
crossed that it will be afternoon. I've medical appointments in the AM
both Thursday and Friday I can't skip.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> Did you get the smaller (laptop layout) bluetooth keyboard or the full size 
> model with NumPad.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:04, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
> your Mini isn't off the grid? 
> 
> Just teasing you a little!
> 
> PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
> I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
> pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> matthew dyer writes:
>> Brad,
>> 
>> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard and 
>> my external HD for backups.  HTH.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Brad Snyder<mailto:wb...@swbell.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
>> 
>> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using 
>> a DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
>> presents of a monitor?
>> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a 
>> Mac mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
>> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
>> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
>> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using 
>> a mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you 
>> should be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is 
>> your opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from 
>> Mail<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986=02%7C01%7C%7C045c28079b144a7832a308d7d0cf7e9d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637207461904014755=rQT1RPO3%2BuB9Sy4WBwY%2BJUMn8f3u8dFr5zyeT4FDhuY%3D=0>
>>  for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Dave Carlson<mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.co

Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[KliphnShari Miller]

That is not true.  I have had my Mac mini since 2014, and have never had a 
monster connected to it.  And it works just fine.


> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The Mac mini requires that you have a monitor connected to it in order for it 
> to work.  If you either don’t have a monitor, or don’t want to use one, you 
> can use a DVI to HDMI adapter to fool the Mac mini into thinking a monitor is 
> connected.  These adapters used to be included with a Mac mini, but are no 
> longer.  You must purchase the adapter separately.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 04:02, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> No need to worry.
> It will be detected as soon as you turn it on.
> But i’ll have a usb keyboard handy if it won’t work for some reason.
> You can just turn on VoiceOver with cmd f5 and follow the instructions.
> Good luck.
> /A
> 
>> 25 mars 2020 kl. 09:53 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
>> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
>> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
>> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
>> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
>> featured.
>> 
>> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
>> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
>> 
>> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
>> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
>> office.
>> 
>> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
>> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
>> Mini itself.
>> 
>> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
>> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
>> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
>> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
>> bluetooth keyboard later?
>> 
>> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
>> Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
>> itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
>> through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
>> 
>> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Janina Sajka
>> 
>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org 
>> 
>> 
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

lol, Simon. You made me smile, a good thing these days.

PS: You know I love you anyway, right? 

Simon A Fogarty writes:
> Janina,
> 
> Did you order one for me as well?
> 
> Even better did you order me 2 of them?
> 
>  I'll tell you I love you lots!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 9:54 PM
> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model Mac Mini 
> speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial installation 
> and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as possible when I bring 
> up a new device for the first time. There's always the rest of my life with 
> that device for getting more nuanced and full featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date, I'm 
> wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's a 
> nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered with 
> my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these, with 
> no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the Mini work 
> with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set my passwords and 
> my network connection that way and worry about my Apple bluetooth keyboard 
> later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their Apple 
> machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn itself on 
> after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone through that process 
> once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Simon.

This is interesting. Since I'm not looking to type, why not just use the
same USB keyboard I'm happily pecking at right now? Who cares if I remap
Windows and Alt? They'll be Windows and Alt again when I have the KVM
switch machines, right? So why not swap them when the KVM is talking to
the Mini? I think this might be a very useful setup.

So, if that's the case, any reason the Mini can't accept from multiple
keyboards? Could I have both the wireless and a wired keyboard on line
and and functionging? So I could choose whichever suited? I do that with
my Linux PC where I have a USB connect wifi keyboard I use sometimes
when sitting on my porch.

I guess there things we blind folk can do with our computers that
sighted folk wouldn't concieve of, since they're so tied to looking at a
monitor somewhere.

Best,

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:
> Also when you start the mac up it will put you through a a setup process for 
> the keyboard and ask you to push z and /
> 
> Other wise as stated windows key is command and alt is option.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 2:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
> Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
> OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
> Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
> 
> So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
> processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
> considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
> that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
> lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
> overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model
> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> bluetooth keyboard later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
> Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
> itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
> through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Bard:

I got the full ekyboard with numeric keypad. Despite that, it's still
quite compellingly compact.

I'm not sure I know what all the keys are. Do you know of a writeup
somewhere about the physical key layout?

Frankly, I have the same question about the Mini itself. I'm wondering
whether I'll guess it's various ports. I imagine I'l get most of them,
but there may still be some uncertainty. For instance, how does one turn
it on?

When I got my Airbook back in 2014 I literally had to call a Mac using
friend to say: "How do you turn this thing on?"

It also took me a bit to figure out how the power supply came apart and
then back together in particular combinations.

Apple builds awesome hardware, but sometimes these details can be
unclear to the uninitiated.

PS: Delivery is scheduled for next Friday, April 3. I've got my fingers
crossed that it will be afternoon. I've medical appointments in the AM
both Thursday and Friday I can't skip.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> Did you get the smaller (laptop layout) bluetooth keyboard or the full size 
> model with NumPad.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:04, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
> your Mini isn't off the grid? 
> 
> Just teasing you a little!
> 
> PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
> I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
> pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> matthew dyer writes:
> > Brad,
> > 
> > I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard 
> > and my external HD for backups.  HTH.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 
> > 10
> > 
> > From: Brad Snyder<mailto:wb...@swbell.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> > 
> > To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using 
> > a DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> > presents of a monitor?
> > I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a 
> > Mac mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> > presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
> > minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
> > mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using 
> > a mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you 
> > should be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is 
> > your opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from 
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> > To: 'Donna Goodin' via 
> > MacVisionaries<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> > 
> > Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> > Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> > 
> > Dave Carlson
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RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[matthew dyer]

Hey,

Oh yeah.  On wifi so yes.  Dlad you got your new keyboard. Keyboar I just have 
the apple keyboard with numpad.  Works for me.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 1:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely your 
Mini isn't off the grid? 

Just teasing you a little!

PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However, I may 
not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to pack it for 
travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Brad,
> 
> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard and 
> my external HD for backups.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from 
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> 
> From: Brad Snyder<mailto:wb...@swbell.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
> To: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
> DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor?
> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
> mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from 
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via 
> MacVisionaries<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Simon A Fogarty]

Also when you start the mac up it will put you through a a setup process for 
the keyboard and ask you to push z and /

Other wise as stated windows key is command and alt is option.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 2:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.

So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been considering 
replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs that it isn’t 
as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple lowered the price of 
SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the overall price went down.  
this makes getting a new mini more tempting.

- Brad -

On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model
Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
featured.

So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
I'm wondering how I will interact with it.

As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
office.

But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
Mini itself.

Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
bluetooth keyboard later?

I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.

Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.

Best,

Janina



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RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Simon A Fogarty]

Really?

Why does it need to think there is a monitor attached?

I’d use a tv with hdmi input

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 2:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

The Mac mini requires that you have a monitor connected to it in order for it 
to work.  If you either don’t have a monitor, or don’t want to use one, you can 
use a DVI to HDMI adapter to fool the Mac mini into thinking a monitor is 
connected.  These adapters used to be included with a Mac mini, but are no 
longer.  You must purchase the adapter separately.

- Brad -

On Mar 25, 2020, at 04:02, Anders Holmberg 
mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
No need to worry.
It will be detected as soon as you turn it on.
But i’ll have a usb keyboard handy if it won’t work for some reason.
You can just turn on VoiceOver with cmd f5 and follow the instructions.
Good luck.
/A


25 mars 2020 kl. 09:53 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:

Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model
Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
featured.

So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
I'm wondering how I will interact with it.

As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
office.

But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
Mini itself.

Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
bluetooth keyboard later?

I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.

Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.

Best,

Janina



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The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Simon A Fogarty]

Janina,

Did you order one for me as well?

Even better did you order me 2 of them?

 I'll tell you I love you lots!

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 9:54 PM
To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Mac Mini Now On Order

Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model Mac Mini speaker. 
It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial installation and 
configuration. I like to keep things as simple as possible when I bring up a 
new device for the first time. There's always the rest of my life with that 
device for getting more nuanced and full featured.

So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date, I'm 
wondering how I will interact with it.

As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's a 
nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home office.

But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered with 
my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the Mini itself.

Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these, with no 
extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the Mini work with 
that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set my passwords and my 
network connection that way and worry about my Apple bluetooth keyboard later?

I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their Apple 
machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn itself on after 
a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone through that process 
once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.

Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.

Best,

Janina



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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

Very true.  Sounds like your system demands exceed mine.

- Brad -


On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:09, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hey, Brad:

Fwiw, I've never regretted maxing memory resources. Even when on a tight
budget, I've always, always put maximum memory into my machines and I've
never regretted that.

The pain of the extra cost passes in a few months. The benefit lasts as
long as you keep the machine in service. What's the benefit? Having more
apps running in memory at maximum efficiency.

Just my two cents (American).

PS: I've even taken this approach when choosing CPU chips for my Linux
PCs. I look more for L2 (and/or L3) memory on the CPU. I'll take a lower
clock speed to get more on chip buffering.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Sounds like the requirement that a monitor or video adapter be connected to a 
> Mac mini may no longer be the case, as Apple has put more of a focus on 
> server and related implementations for the mini.  I would be interested in 
> learning what you experience.
> 
> Sounds like you ordered pretty much the same mini that I have on my list.  I 
> wasn’t planning on spending the money for 64 GB RAM, but may go with 32 GB, 
> and I wasn’t planning on going with the high speed Giga-bit ethernet port 
> either.  Again, this seems something aimed at server implementations.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Brad.
> 
> I was actually unaware that the standard PC keyboard's Windows key would map 
> to Command,
> and Alt to Option. My only other Mac to date has been my Airbook where
> all that stuff is builtin!  So, thanks for much for this datum.
> It's precisely the kind of thing I didn't know.
> 
> I was also unaware that the monitor connection is essential. I can cope
> with it, but I appreciate knowing not to bother until I can do that. The
> pieces I ordered are arriving separately.
> 
> Here's what's on order. I went to the higher end because I like my
> machines to have long years of service. My typical replacement cycle
> seems to be about every 8 years on Linux, and my Airbook is 6 years old.
> 
> Here's what's coming:
> 
> Apple Store writes:
>> ...
>> 
>> Mac mini
>> $2,899.00
>> 
>> 1
>> $2,899.00
>> --
>> With the following configuration:
>> 3.2GHz 6■core 8th■generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to
>> 4.6GHz)
>> 64GB 2666MHz DDR4
>> Intel UHD Graphics 630
>> 2TB SSD storage
>> Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet using RJ-45
>> connector)
>> Accessory Kit
>> 
> 
> Also coming is an HDMI cable, the bluetooth keyboard, and a bluetooth
> mouse (for my sighted assistants). All that brought the total price
> just over $3,300.
> 
> I guess the only high-end item I passed on was the 10Gb ethernet port. I
> just don't see myself using that anytime in the next few years.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 
> Brad Snyder writes:
>> You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
>> Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
>> OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
>> Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
>> 
>> So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
>> processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
>> considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
>> that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
>> lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
>> overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
>> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
>> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
>> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
>> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
>> featured.
>> 
>> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
>> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
>> 
>> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
>> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
>> office.
>> 
>> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
>> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
>> Mini itself.
>> 
>> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
>> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
>> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
>> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
>> bluetooth keyboard 

Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Janina,

Did you get the smaller (laptop layout) bluetooth keyboard or the full size 
model with NumPad.

- Brad -


On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:04, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
your Mini isn't off the grid? 

Just teasing you a little!

PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Brad,
> 
> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard and 
> my external HD for backups.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: Brad Snyder<mailto:wb...@swbell.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
> DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor?
> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
> mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
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> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Brad:

Fwiw, I've never regretted maxing memory resources. Even when on a tight
budget, I've always, always put maximum memory into my machines and I've
never regretted that.

The pain of the extra cost passes in a few months. The benefit lasts as
long as you keep the machine in service. What's the benefit? Having more
apps running in memory at maximum efficiency.

Just my two cents (American).

PS: I've even taken this approach when choosing CPU chips for my Linux
PCs. I look more for L2 (and/or L3) memory on the CPU. I'll take a lower
clock speed to get more on chip buffering.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Sounds like the requirement that a monitor or video adapter be connected to a 
> Mac mini may no longer be the case, as Apple has put more of a focus on 
> server and related implementations for the mini.  I would be interested in 
> learning what you experience.
> 
> Sounds like you ordered pretty much the same mini that I have on my list.  I 
> wasn’t planning on spending the money for 64 GB RAM, but may go with 32 GB, 
> and I wasn’t planning on going with the high speed Giga-bit ethernet port 
> either.  Again, this seems something aimed at server implementations.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Brad.
> 
> I was actually unaware that the standard PC keyboard's Windows key would map 
> to Command,
> and Alt to Option. My only other Mac to date has been my Airbook where
> all that stuff is builtin!  So, thanks for much for this datum.
> It's precisely the kind of thing I didn't know.
> 
> I was also unaware that the monitor connection is essential. I can cope
> with it, but I appreciate knowing not to bother until I can do that. The
> pieces I ordered are arriving separately.
> 
> Here's what's on order. I went to the higher end because I like my
> machines to have long years of service. My typical replacement cycle
> seems to be about every 8 years on Linux, and my Airbook is 6 years old.
> 
> Here's what's coming:
> 
> Apple Store writes:
> > ...
> > 
> > Mac mini
> > $2,899.00
> > 
> > 1
> > $2,899.00
> > --
> > With the following configuration:
> > 3.2GHz 6■core 8th■generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to
> > 4.6GHz)
> > 64GB 2666MHz DDR4
> > Intel UHD Graphics 630
> > 2TB SSD storage
> > Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet using RJ-45
> > connector)
> > Accessory Kit
> > 
> 
> Also coming is an HDMI cable, the bluetooth keyboard, and a bluetooth
> mouse (for my sighted assistants). All that brought the total price
> just over $3,300.
> 
> I guess the only high-end item I passed on was the 10Gb ethernet port. I
> just don't see myself using that anytime in the next few years.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 
> Brad Snyder writes:
> > You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on 
> > a Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
> > OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until 
> > your Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
> > 
> > So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
> > processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
> > considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
> > that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
> > lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
> > overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > 
> > On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
> > Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> > installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> > possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> > the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> > featured.
> > 
> > So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> > I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> > 
> > As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> > a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> > office.
> > 
> > But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> > with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> > Mini itself.
> > 
> > Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> > with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> > Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> > my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> > bluetooth keyboard later?
> > 
> > I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring 

Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
your Mini isn't off the grid? 

Just teasing you a little!

PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Brad,
> 
> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard and 
> my external HD for backups.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: Brad Snyder<mailto:wb...@swbell.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
> DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor?
> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
> mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from 
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> 
> From: Dave Carlson<mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[matthew dyer]

Brad,

I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard and my 
external HD for backups.  HTH.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the presents 
of a monitor?
I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the presents 
of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 minis.  
Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
- Brad -

On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should be 
fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your opsion 
key.  Outside of that, it will work.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that Options 
and Command are correctly positioned.

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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

Sounds like the requirement that a monitor or video adapter be connected to a 
Mac mini may no longer be the case, as Apple has put more of a focus on server 
and related implementations for the mini.  I would be interested in learning 
what you experience.

Sounds like you ordered pretty much the same mini that I have on my list.  I 
wasn’t planning on spending the money for 64 GB RAM, but may go with 32 GB, and 
I wasn’t planning on going with the high speed Giga-bit ethernet port either.  
Again, this seems something aimed at server implementations.

- Brad -


On Mar 26, 2020, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks, Brad.

I was actually unaware that the standard PC keyboard's Windows key would map to 
Command,
and Alt to Option. My only other Mac to date has been my Airbook where
all that stuff is builtin!  So, thanks for much for this datum.
It's precisely the kind of thing I didn't know.

I was also unaware that the monitor connection is essential. I can cope
with it, but I appreciate knowing not to bother until I can do that. The
pieces I ordered are arriving separately.

Here's what's on order. I went to the higher end because I like my
machines to have long years of service. My typical replacement cycle
seems to be about every 8 years on Linux, and my Airbook is 6 years old.

Here's what's coming:

Apple Store writes:
> ...
> 
> Mac mini
> $2,899.00
> 
> 1
> $2,899.00
> --
> With the following configuration:
> 3.2GHz 6■core 8th■generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to
> 4.6GHz)
> 64GB 2666MHz DDR4
> Intel UHD Graphics 630
> 2TB SSD storage
> Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet using RJ-45
> connector)
> Accessory Kit
> 

Also coming is an HDMI cable, the bluetooth keyboard, and a bluetooth
mouse (for my sighted assistants). All that brought the total price
just over $3,300.

I guess the only high-end item I passed on was the 10Gb ethernet port. I
just don't see myself using that anytime in the next few years.

Best,

Janina



Brad Snyder writes:
> You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
> Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
> OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
> Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
> 
> So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
> processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
> considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
> that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
> lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
> overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> bluetooth keyboard later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
> Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
> itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
> through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Apropos monitor or not, I note that a number of the high end reviews of
the 2018 Mini, and I think Apple itself talk in terms of some industrial
applications where a stack of Minis provide some kind of aggregate
service.

So, if these Minis are stackable in a server environment, it's highly
unlikely each and every one of them would have a monitor attached.
Things don't work like that in server rooms, imo.

Indeed, having shopped now for KVMs, the higher end of KVM gear supports
8 o 16 units via a rack mountable KVM switch. I guess that's at least a
dummy connection, I suppose.

Brad Snyder writes:
> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
> DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor?
> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
> mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
>  
> Matthew
>  
>  
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
>  
> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

OK, Matthew. Thanks! While I plan to provide a monitor for my sighted
assistant, I'm happier not needing one, especially at the first.

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> 
> Matthew
> 
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
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> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Ah, fascinating.

I expect I will rework my setup to be directly driving at least three,
possibly four separate machines. I expect to put a modern, HDMI enabled
KVM in the path, and I've done shome KVM shopping but haven't ordered
anything yet.

It'll be interesting whether I end up with a PC keyboard or the Mac
bluetooth keyboard as my main work keyboard via the KVM. It appears
there is both Windows and Linux support for using a Mac keyboard. So,
I'll likely play around with each for awahile before settling on
something based on experience.

PS: In addition to the KVM I'm planning to upgrade my hardware audio
mixer. Still investigating good options there.

Best,

Janina

Dave Carlson writes:
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Brad.

I was actually unaware that the standard PC keyboard's Windows key would map to 
Command,
and Alt to Option. My only other Mac to date has been my Airbook where
all that stuff is builtin!  So, thanks for much for this datum.
It's precisely the kind of thing I didn't know.

I was also unaware that the monitor connection is essential. I can cope
with it, but I appreciate knowing not to bother until I can do that. The
pieces I ordered are arriving separately.

Here's what's on order. I went to the higher end because I like my
machines to have long years of service. My typical replacement cycle
seems to be about every 8 years on Linux, and my Airbook is 6 years old.

Here's what's coming:

Apple Store writes:
> ...
>
> Mac mini
> $2,899.00
>
> 1
> $2,899.00
> --
> With the following configuration:
> 3.2GHz 6■core 8th■generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to
> 4.6GHz)
> 64GB 2666MHz DDR4
> Intel UHD Graphics 630
> 2TB SSD storage
> Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet using RJ-45
> connector)
> Accessory Kit
>
 
 Also coming is an HDMI cable, the bluetooth keyboard, and a bluetooth
 mouse (for my sighted assistants). All that brought the total price
 just over $3,300.

I guess the only high-end item I passed on was the 10Gb ethernet port. I
just don't see myself using that anytime in the next few years.

Best,

Janina



Brad Snyder writes:
> You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
> Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
> OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
> Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
> 
> So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
> processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
> considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
> that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
> lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
> overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> bluetooth keyboard later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
> Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
> itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
> through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I can use my old 2011 mac mini with no screen connected.
There is  a screen dummy adapter called something like headless screen or 
something you can buy.
/A

> 25 mars 2020 kl. 14:40 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
> Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
> OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
> Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
> 
> So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
> processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
> considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
> that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
> lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
> overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> bluetooth keyboard later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
> Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
> itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
> through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the presents 
of a monitor?
I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the presents 
of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 minis.  
Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
- Brad -


On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer  
wrote:

Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should be 
fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your opsion 
key.  Outside of that, it will work.
 
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RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[matthew dyer]

Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should be 
fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your opsion 
key.  Outside of that, it will work.

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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.

So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been considering 
replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs that it isn’t 
as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple lowered the price of 
SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the overall price went down.  
this makes getting a new mini more tempting.

- Brad -


On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
featured.

So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
I'm wondering how I will interact with it.

As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
office.

But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
Mini itself.

Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
bluetooth keyboard later?

I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.

Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.

Best,

Janina



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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

The Mac mini requires that you have a monitor connected to it in order for it 
to work.  If you either don’t have a monitor, or don’t want to use one, you can 
use a DVI to HDMI adapter to fool the Mac mini into thinking a monitor is 
connected.  These adapters used to be included with a Mac mini, but are no 
longer.  You must purchase the adapter separately.

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On Mar 25, 2020, at 04:02, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
No need to worry.
It will be detected as soon as you turn it on.
But i’ll have a usb keyboard handy if it won’t work for some reason.
You can just turn on VoiceOver with cmd f5 and follow the instructions.
Good luck.
/A

> 25 mars 2020 kl. 09:53 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> bluetooth keyboard later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
> Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
> itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
> through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No need to worry.
It will be detected as soon as you turn it on.
But i’ll have a usb keyboard handy if it won’t work for some reason.
You can just turn on VoiceOver with cmd f5 and follow the instructions.
Good luck.
/A

> 25 mars 2020 kl. 09:53 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> bluetooth keyboard later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
> Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
> itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
> through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 
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> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures  http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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