Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mike Klein]

Some of the locking/folding keyboards  to have problems with 
providing stable surface (they flexed)...and I think many have solved 
this early issue. This used to be only reason to ignore folding style.

Something coming soon that looks kinda cool is the credit-card sized 
(bluetooth) keyboard from Freedom Input...supposed to be produced in 
march...but they've been hyping this for past year I think.

http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30
 
<http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30>

If I have 2 thumbs free I could bang away hard on this little 
suckaN800 or folder keyboard could be better for 'longer' typing 
stints I guess.


mike

Daniel M German wrote:
>
>  Mark> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> Key travel sucks on them. Not a good typing experience. Hard to home
>  >> your fingers on keys.
>  >> 
>  >> They do look great though!
>  >> 
>  >> If you're not a real typer you will be happy.
>  >> 
>  >> mike
>  >> 
>
>  Mark> I am definitely a touch typist, but I'm adaptable. I can use my Psion
>  Mark> Series 5 to good effect, as well as a tiny folding IR keyboard for my
>  Mark> Handspring Visor. (Too bad the Nokias don't have IR... of course I'd
>  Mark> still be lacking a driver.) They both have sculpted keys, though, so
>  Mark> it's easy to home your fingers. I'm not expecting a desktop (or even
>  Mark> full-sized laptop) keyboard experience. Apple does tend to place form
>  Mark> before function, image over substance, and hype above reality, so
>  Mark> don't get me started...
>
>  Mark> But I digress. What I really need to know if it's *compatible*, as in
>  Mark> plug-and-play. If it won't work with the N800 or kubuntu out of the
>  Mark> box, I'm not interested.
>
> yes, it is. it works with the N800 out of the box. No special
> configuration is needed.
>
>  Mark> But if I could find something the size of my IR keyboard for a
>  Mark> reasonable price that's compatible, I'd jump at it. $80 for the Apple
>  Mark> keyboard is way at the top end of what I'm willing to pay, and then
>
> Mine came with a mac pro. I would never use it for day to day typing
> (for the reasons Mike mentioned) but it is great for the N800.
>
> --dmg
>
>  Mark> only if it will work with my laptop and desktop as well. $130-$150 for
>  Mark> something that cost the manufacturer $10 at most to make is not my
>  Mark> idea of reasonable (the "Stowaway" model under various brands.) The
>  Mark> even smaller thumb keyboards (akin to the built-in N810 keyboard) are
>  Mark> not an option, either, as that would defeat the purpose.
>
>  Mark> There's a cool little device that projects an image of a keyboard on
>  Mark> any surface, but it's too expensive and won't work on a lap or leg. I
>  Mark> forget who makes it and what it's called, but aside from the coolness
>  Mark> factor and tiniest possible size for toting around, it also lacks any
>  Mark> feedback feel and requires a reasonably flat and relatively large area
>  Mark> to work.
>
>  Mark> Mark
>
>
>
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard?

[Mike Klein]

Key travel sucks on them. Not a good typing experience. Hard to home 
your fingers on keys.

They do look great though!

If you're not a real typer you will be happy.


mike

Mark wrote:
> Has anybody tried one of those Apple Wireless Bluetooth Keyboards with
> their IT? They say they require OS X, but somebody was saying that it
> worked great with his phone. Do they work with Windows and/or desktop
> Linux as well? Is there a cheaper & smaller alternative?
>
> If I could get a decent keyboard and OpenOffice.org working with my
> N800, I'd be in 7th heaven. (I've heard Abiword is being ported, but
> I've tried it on my desktop and it's just not a workable alternative
> for me.)
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
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Re: Map applications - N800 OS2007

[Mike Klein]

I own a Holux SlimGPS 240? (size of lipstick...usb rechargeable) and it
works flawlessly with all my stuff. Cost was like $75 or so.

It locks onto 12? satellites real quick and gives me no issues with my
tabletpc, pocketpc, N800, etc. I love the thing...just works.


mike

Peter Flynn wrote:
> Josh Z wrote:
>   
>> I think the map on n800 is empty by default... 
>> 
>
> Does the Map app work on OS2007? Is there a particular BT GPS device 
> which is recommended (or just known to work well?)
>
> I have a TomTom satnav, which works well enough, but the mapping quality 
> for Ireland is spectacularly bad, and it can take up to 10 minutes from 
> boot to find a satellite.  Garmin were advertising heavily before the 
> holidays that *their* map of Ireland was accurate :-) but before I 
> invest in a BT GPS device, I wanted to know if anyone has experience 
> with the map quality and accuracy for Ireland.
>
> ///Peter
>
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Re: WiFi Connection Problem - N800

[Mike Klein]

Having "Odyssey" cannot be a real requirement. Most people download
odyssey because their WM/PocketPC wifi support sucks and Odyssey is more
robustodyssey also supports Enterprise WPA/WPA2, etc. and this is
another reason why people want it.

What are exact reqt's of wifi network? Wep, wpa2, wpa, wpa2Enterprise, etc.


mike

Josh Z wrote:
> Hi- I'm a newcomer here. Just got my N800 2 days ago. First post.
> Problem here is this: My dorm is 802.11g-equipped, and my laptop works
> well with the wireless network. However, they do require an Odyssey
> (by Juniper Networks ) be installed for wireless access, but with N800
> and Linux, that seems to be a bit of problem. Phenomenon is, I was
> constantly prompted to enter the WEP when trying to connect to the
> wireless network. Yes, N800 does a good job detecting the signal
> strength. Is there any way I can go around this to make it work on my
> N800? Thanks!
> Happy New Year!
> Josh
> 
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Re: Keyboard for N800

[Mike Klein]

Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 11:02:11AM -0800, Gary wrote:
>   
>> DZ wrote:
>> 
>>> BTW, latest Apple Wireless compact BT keyboard works fine with N800 (it  
>>> supports HID profile). This keyboard is very comfortable and has a long  
>>> battery life.
>>>   
>> I'll second this. I have Nokia's SU-8W because it fits in my camera 
>> (N800) bag for travel but the Apple one is much better for serious 
>> production work. And though it doesn't fold up, it's solidly built. When 
>> I first tried one that a friend bought for his MacBook, he took it out 
>> of his book bag, held it up in front of me, and gave it a strong flex. I 
>> cringed and closed my eyes but he just laughed and powered it on.
>> 
>
> I third this.  It's the smallest keyboard I've seen that has full-size
> keys in a sane layout.  I miss some of the keys a bit, e.g. PgUp/PgDn,
> and the Fn-Up/Down alternative doesn't work on a N800.
>
> I also admit that I cannot figure out how to turn it off.  The power
> button always turns it on.  When I want to use the virtual keyboard, I
> have to disconnect the Apple one from the Nokia's Bluetooth statusbar
> applet.
>
> FWIW connecting the two back together is unexpecedly easy: just start
> typing and the keyboard will reconnect *without losing any of the
> keystrokes*.  Brilliant.
>
> Marius Gedminas
>   
The apple wireless keyboard...while A+ in the looks department is more 
like a B- when it comes to actual work. The keys are NOT full-sized and 
don't have appropriate amount of travel. Larger keys would've made 
footprint larger though.

I can tough type > 120wpm and the Apple keyboard brings me down to like 
30wpm...it isn't easy to type on when on your lap as it's so narrow. The 
HappyHacking keyboard is better example of small keyboard (although 
wired) with full-size keys and travel.


mike
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Re: n800 user reviews

[Mike Klein]

Here it is...goog'd on some keywords in tar I have and found:

http://java.sun.com/j2se/embedded/survey.html?download=arm

You must answer survey before getting access.


mike

Peter Flynn wrote:
> Mike Klein wrote:
>   
>> Hasn't sun recently released a java for linux/arm?
>> 
>
> I can't find that. There are 50+ links on java.sun.com to *building* 
> Java and assorted variants for ARM on a Linux platform, but nothing 
> about a product. Do you know of a link to it?
>
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Re: charger for the n800

[Mike Klein]

Just pick up a VEC414S inverter (slightly larger than a cigarette pack
and has ac plus usb) or an ac/usb wall chargeror a usb battery
pack...or a micro usb powered pocket hub.

No need for laptop.


mike

Peter Flynn wrote:
> Mike Klein wrote:
>   
>> I would strongly suggest a "usb" recharging solution 
>> 
>
> Useless if you don't have a USB powered device. One of the objectives of 
> getting the N800 was so I *didn't* have to trug my lapdog with me...
>
> But as I said, if regular Nokia phone chargers can supply the power the 
> N800 needs, the problem is solved, as I can get a cable for my 
> Instant-Power charger kit.
>
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Re: charger for the n800

[Mike Klein]

Not true. There are a bazillion wall/ac adapters with usb
connector...producing a safe 5v.

Use this (or a usb battery pack) in conjunction with a boxwave
(sync/charge) or javoedge (charge only) cable and you're set.

You want this generic usb wall charger as it's useful for your other
gizmos...assuming you're like the rest of us and have several.

If you have more than one device it doesn't make sense to buy
proprietary chargers any more.


mike

Peter Flynn wrote:
> Jonathan Greene wrote:
>   
>> I can't even tell you what charger I am using with which device.  I
>> have quite a few N-Series phones and several tablets as well as the
>> Nokia GPS. They all use the same plugs and work just fine.  I would
>> not suggest getting a no-name brand... I've had trouble there with the
>> unit not charging.
>> 
>
> I had a poke around on eBay, and there were no (zero) US mains chargers 
> for Nokias. Hundreds of USB chargers etc, but none that you can plug 
> into a wall outlet. Very weird. But if the rating is the same as for a 
> phone that's no problem, I'll just pick up a clone in Circuit City or 
> BestBuy or somewhere.
>
> ///Peter
>
>
>   
>> On 10/30/07, Peter Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jonathan Jesse wrote:
>>>   
 Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home.
 Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the
 charger is compatible?
 
>>> Jonathan Greene wrote:
>>>  > should be cool ...  the thin plug fits most newer nokias now
>>>
>>> Does this mean any Nokia charger with the thin plug will do?
>>>
>>> Can you buy N800 US chargers separately? This would avoid me having to
>>> bring a plug-adaptor to the US (UK-style 3-square-pin mains plugs, which
>>> are heavy and bulky, have a habit of dragging plug-adaptors out of US
>>> wall sockets).
>>>
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Re: charger for the n800

[Mike Klein]

My results are different. My BoxWave cable for my 8525 actually is
usable with my Motorola S9/820 bt headphones and my Holux "lipstick" gps.

I bought 2 usb battery packs...APC and JavoEdge. The APC is ONLY
chargeable via regular usb cable whereas the JavoEdge battery (same ah I
think) recharges with either sync/charge cable or just charge cable.

The JavoEdge also has an "eyelet" at top so you could (hang on...I know
this is uber-geeky) attach it to lanyard around your neck and use your
phone/camera/etc. while recharging.

I like this versatility a lotand my wife really likes the new setup
(passing wife test is always a good thing) as there is less crap
everywhere and it actually looks kinda sorta elegant.

My phone has like 4 radios on it (gps, ir, wifi, cellular, bt) and
sometimes you never can be sure if your battery is going to last. It's
good to know that with a minimal amount of stuff I can never again have
to worry about running out of juice at critical moments (miss the camera
shot, etc.).


cheers,

mike

Jonathan Greene wrote:
> My Boxwave has been flaky... I've had much better access with the
> Proporta Mobile Power pack which can charge all my gear and do it
> while connected to my laptop (being charged itself) or on the go from
> my gadget / laptop bag and in the car.
>
> On 10/30/07, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>  I would strongly suggest a "usb" recharging solution using cable from
>> BoxWave or JavoEdge. BoxWave's cable provides sync/charge (charge is
>> 'cracked' out dc plug from usb power pins) and JavoEdge is charge only.
>> Using this I can get "charged 100%" on N800.
>>
>>  They work excellent via ac/wall xformer or usb hub. I have all my crap
>> recharging via retractible cables (pdas, 720p camera, mp3 players) and it's
>> quite the kewl solution.
>>
>>  I hate having to lug chargers around and now just carry my "master" Tumi
>> universal power supply and a small handful of charge cables...plus one
>> regular usb->mini for when I am charging/sync'g off of computer.
>>
>>  I also carry a regular usb extension cable and a special usb->dc adaptor
>> for the cameras and other 5v stuff. It's really liberating man...
>>
>>
>>  mike
>>
>>
>>  Peter Flynn wrote:
>>  Jonathan Jesse wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home.
>> Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the
>> charger is compatible?
>>
>>  Jonathan Greene wrote:
>>  > should be cool ... the thin plug fits most newer nokias now
>>
>> Does this mean any Nokia charger with the thin plug will do?
>>
>> Can you buy N800 US chargers separately? This would avoid me having to
>> bring a plug-adaptor to the US (UK-style 3-square-pin mains plugs, which
>> are heavy and bulky, have a habit of dragging plug-adaptors out of US
>> wall sockets).
>>
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Re: charger for the n800

[Mike Klein]

I would strongly suggest a "usb" recharging solution using cable from
BoxWave or JavoEdge. BoxWave's cable provides sync/charge (charge is
'cracked' out dc plug from usb power pins) and JavoEdge is charge only.
Using this I can get "charged 100%" on N800.

They work excellent via ac/wall xformer or usb hub. I have all my crap
recharging via retractible cables (pdas, 720p camera, mp3 players) and
it's quite the kewl solution.

I hate having to lug chargers around and now just carry my "master" Tumi
universal power supply and a small handful of charge cables...plus one
regular usb->mini for when I am charging/sync'g off of computer.

I also carry a regular usb extension cable and a special usb->dc adaptor
for the cameras and other 5v stuff. It's really liberating man...


mike

Peter Flynn wrote:
> Jonathan Jesse wrote:
>   
>> Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home.
>> Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the
>> charger is compatible?
>> 
>
> Jonathan Greene wrote:
>  > should be cool ...  the thin plug fits most newer nokias now
>
> Does this mean any Nokia charger with the thin plug will do?
>
> Can you buy N800 US chargers separately? This would avoid me having to 
> bring a plug-adaptor to the US (UK-style 3-square-pin mains plugs, which 
> are heavy and bulky, have a habit of dragging plug-adaptors out of US 
> wall sockets).
>
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Use of enc wifi (wpa2 forced) causing streaming drop outs?

[Mike Klein]

Guess this is going to be more difficult than I thought.

After switching to wpa2/aes on AP...now it appears N800 drops streams
after 30sec or so. Ends up resuming like 20-30 sec later every time.

Not seeing same issue with any other clients (xp, 2k, wm) and I've run
streaming tests on them all. Everything's been power cycled. Using
dd-wrt v24rc-4 on the ap.

Given I use my N800 as a media player mostly (I know it "isn't"
one...but due to upnp it's the best pmp I own) this bites a bit.


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Re: N800 won't connect via WPA2...says "network does not support"

[Mike Klein]

I now have WPA2 (aes?) forced on N800 and it works.

Apparently dd-wrt in "wpa2 mixed" mode wasn't compatible with N800 scheme.

I've been working with Winbloze for 20 years? now and didn't know there
were updates outside of Windows Update?

I had no ability for wpa2 on my xp tabletpc or wifey's xp laptop...only
wpa. Atheros provided wpa2 but I preferred using std windows. After some
googling I found various hotfixes for XP SP2 that are outside of Windows
Update mechanismwhy? How the heck do you find out about these other
than knowing you need them and googling?

After applying hotfix dd-wrt is now set for "wpa2/aes only"and all
clients are on strongest except for wife's "legacy" (ahem) laptop.

My last option to try was shortening the wpa2 passphraseit is fairly
large and I heard there were issues with this.


thanks all for help/suggestions...all is well again.

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Re: N800 won't connect via WPA2...says "network does not support"

[Mike Klein]

Thanks for help all.

I managed to unbrick my wrt54gl (tftp via orig. linksys firmware at
reboot of unit...whew!) and got onto v24RC4 (was on rc1). This and a
reboot after configuring for "WPA2Mixed/TKIP+AES" yields the following
results:

8525 (WM5): Connect via WPA2/AES (at least it says so)
N800: Connect only via WPA (wpa2 still yields network msg)...not sure
whether tkip or aes.
ST5111 (WinXP): Now (After router reboot) uses WPA/AES and not
tkip...but still no wpa2.
Tried Msoft and Athereos...only atheros had wpa2 option...but it
falls back to wpa.
Inspiron (WinXP): WPA-PSK/AES (not even option for wpa2)

So firmware upgrade only yielded ability to use AES whereas before all
clients were tkip. The router reboot after making settings changes may
have done this actually. dd-wrt seems to get a little confused when
you're in the ui going and forth between ssid hidden/visible and making
security changes.

I will start looking for dd-wrt bug/changelist (they don't bundle with
firmware downloads?!?) and am of belief now that (perhaps) WM5 is
"falling back" to WPA...although I do have it explicitly set to WPA2 and
not WPA. I wouldn't think fallback would NOT occur in this case as there
is specific selection for wpa2. Oddly enough my tablet pc (st5111) only
has WPA2/WPA option...wpa2 cannot be forced.

[side note]
dd-wrt is so flexible now. I could setup virtual ssid (all are hidden)
for my wife's old WEP-only laptop and further restrict access by macid.
I am even restricting by macid on wpa2 ssid as well. N800 is in these
lists although it's hostname doesn't show up in wifi list.

What was I thinking reflashing my primary AP first and not my backup
unit...that's what it's there for...doh!
[/side note]


mike

Zoran Kolic wrote:
>> But this is bunk as my WM5 8525 connects via WPA2/AES! This totally 
>> blows me away...WM?!?
>> I notice my ST5111 atheros client has only "WPA/WPA2" option (no manual
>> select) and it seems to fallback to WPA/AES.
>> I am one release back from current firmware (the sdhc fix).
>> 
>
> I could confirm that wrt54gl supports wpa2 with aes encryption.
> Knowing that, you have to calmly find the way around. First, let
> the channel be 6 or 11. Then, go to just "g" mode emission. Let
> your mac address pass the firewall on the device. Set the appropriate
> password, at least 65 long. Set ssid to hidden. Then... Let wizard
> on n800 help you. Include hidden ssid as very important. On 770
> I made the connection from the very first attempt.
> Atheros chip is known as good for open source drivers. I have
> 5212 on freebsd box and it works just flowlessly. Linux drivers
> are similar, with no time outs or alike funs.
>
>  Zoran
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Re: N800 won't connect via WPA2...says "network does not support"

[Mike Klein]

Addnly I am using WRT54GL w/DD-WRT firmware (v24-RC1). I can certainly
try an update of dd-wrt firmware as wellunfortunately earlier today
I bricked my primary 54gl and am now on backup unitthk goodness I
had a spare. So the router firmware update may have to wait until get
another backup unit...only $60 so no biggie.

Unless my 8525 is lying (certainly possible...perhaps hidden fallback to
WPA?)...my network DOES support wpa2.


mike

Mike Klein wrote:
> But this is bunk as my WM5 8525 connects via WPA2/AES! This totally 
> blows me away...WM?!?
>
> I notice my ST5111 atheros client has only "WPA/WPA2" option (no manual
> select) and it seems to fallback to WPA/AES.
>
> I have googled on exact network error and found ZIP.
>
> I am one release back from current firmware (the sdhc fix).
>
> Anybody else seen this error? I may attempt to flash new firmware...but
> will check buglist first.
>
>
> thx in advance...
>
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N800 won't connect via WPA2...says "network does not support"

[Mike Klein]

But this is bunk as my WM5 8525 connects via WPA2/AES! This totally 
blows me away...WM?!?

I notice my ST5111 atheros client has only "WPA/WPA2" option (no manual
select) and it seems to fallback to WPA/AES.

I have googled on exact network error and found ZIP.

I am one release back from current firmware (the sdhc fix).

Anybody else seen this error? I may attempt to flash new firmware...but
will check buglist first.


thx in advance...

mike
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Re: N800 simple soft case mod

[Mike Klein]

Been theredone that. N800 is only device without decent carry solution.

If only they had semi-ruggedized it...there w/be minimal to no need for
case all the time. Some rubber bumpering around edges/perimeter w/be
enough. Then it's no-slip too.

Add in a neck lanyard/ring/eyelet...and I'm all over it like white on rice.

iPhone has proved you don't need a soft/mushy screen to do touch.

Sometimes that little N800 feels like a slippery stick of butter in my
hands.


mike

Fred Chittenden wrote:
> Ok, the included n800 leather 'case' is lame..  Who hasn't had theirtablet 
> slip out of the open ended 'case'. 
>  To make it less lame,  attach an adhesive strip of velcro on both sidesof 
> the top so a companion strip can be used to 'close'  the top.  Leave(or cut) 
> a hole for the chargng cord.  The ear phones sneak outthe side so don't need 
> a hole.  
> Works nice, although I figure it is going to have to be sewn in place,soon 
> enough.  I'm sure with 30 seconds of thought/hindsight, othersimple options 
> might be done. I still haven't figured out a spot forthe ear phones.  Perhaps 
> another velcro fix? Oh well. -- Always Fred Chittenden, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: External Monitor with N800

[Mike Klein]

Then you'd have to have a dongle, no? Dongles are evil...I carry around
too much crap already.

Why would you prefer dvi?

If it were hdmi...it w/have to be v1.3? cause this is only version that
supports HD video with audiosupposedly earlier hdmi versions
wouldn't support full audio when doing 1080p.


mike

John Rudd wrote:
>
> Aside from substituting "DVI with DVI-A" for HDMI, I agree.
>
> It'd be nice to see decent video out on the internet tablets.
>
>
> Mike Klein wrote:
>> I think we'll see this soon enough...especially nice for higher-res
>> pdas/etc.
>>
>> OQO has hdmi out...and I think they're the only ones with such a thing.
>>
>> When you move your umpc/ppc into new context/environment...you will want
>> to replace inputs and outputs (speakers, screen, mic, keybd,
>> etc.)...ideally all thru bluetoothbut bt imaging is kinda weak still
>> I think.
>>
>> Then you've truly got a modular heart/brains unit that can be used
>> standalone or integrated into "larger" device when in car, etc.
>>
>> I consider addition of hdmi out to these class of devices a must-have
>> almost.
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>> Kalle Valo wrote:
>>> "ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
>>>  
>>>> My wife would like to display presentations, that reside on the N800,
>>>> directly to a monitor without using another computer (such as what
>>>> I do with
>>>> VNC).  In other words, presentation runs on the N800 and output
>>>> displays on
>>>> an external monitor. 
>>>> I believe we had a similar discussion several months back.  Is this
>>>> possible?  The answer was, I believe, no but I want to verify.
>>>> 
>>> You are correct, N810 does not have video output. But there was a
>>> similar question posted to lwn.net and someone suggested to use
>>> USB2VGA for that:
>>>
>>> http://lwn.net/Articles/254916/
>>>
>>> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddVGAAdapter
>>>
>>> It might or might not work. But this would be a hacker project, not
>>> for normal users.
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
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Re: External Monitor with N800

[Mike Klein]

I think we'll see this soon enough...especially nice for higher-res
pdas/etc.

OQO has hdmi out...and I think they're the only ones with such a thing.

When you move your umpc/ppc into new context/environment...you will want
to replace inputs and outputs (speakers, screen, mic, keybd,
etc.)...ideally all thru bluetoothbut bt imaging is kinda weak still
I think.

Then you've truly got a modular heart/brains unit that can be used
standalone or integrated into "larger" device when in car, etc.

I consider addition of hdmi out to these class of devices a must-have
almost.


mike

Kalle Valo wrote:
> "ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> My wife would like to display presentations, that reside on the N800,
>> directly to a monitor without using another computer (such as what I do with
>> VNC).  In other words, presentation runs on the N800 and output displays on
>> an external monitor.  
>>
>> I believe we had a similar discussion several months back.  Is this
>> possible?  The answer was, I believe, no but I want to verify.
>> 
>
> You are correct, N810 does not have video output. But there was a
> similar question posted to lwn.net and someone suggested to use
> USB2VGA for that:
>
> http://lwn.net/Articles/254916/
>
> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddVGAAdapter
>
> It might or might not work. But this would be a hacker project, not
> for normal users.
>
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Re: BBC reviews N800 with 3 other devices

[Mike Klein]

I believe DUN was removed from WM5 phones and will be reintroduced with 
WM6it might've been carriers which asked for it disabled.

They would prefer you be on an explicit tethering plan. Bluetooth PAN is 
now default instead of DUN.


mike

Steve Yelvington wrote:
> I was surprised that the reviewer had troubles getting online through 
> Bluetooth and a mobile phone, as that's one of the coolest and easiest 
> things about the N800. By contrast, getting either Windows or OS X to 
> connect via GPRS can be hellishly difficult.
>
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Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

[Mike Klein]

Regardless of my most likely incorrect categorization...it exists and
affects #s reported that if people don't include category they fall
into...then #s mean nothing.

Nokia knows it is a problem and plans to address it anyways...so kudos
to them.

Since N800 isn't a phone I can't see comparison to iPhone being
relevant. For a Linux device...the N800 is quite user friendly and I
believe "Joe Consumer" would have a good time with it...short of
codec/cpu limitations and certain videos not playing well.

PepperPad3 is another example of a Linux device you could (kind of) give
to Mom. I handed mine off to mother recently and she had no problem
accessing her web-mail, playing games and watching videos/etc. I'd
installed.

Minimal functionality? As much as I harp on my other devices...I don't
critique the N800 for having no func out of box. My only gripes are lack
of eyelet/ring for neck lanyard, no phone/3g/keybd and cpu speed/codecs.
I can't scream about lack of a2dp when linux in general suffers in this
area. Yeah I want higher res and hdmi out...but we must be patient...


mike

Gary Baribault wrote:
> Hey Mike,
>
>   I think most people who are minimalists would not get involved in a
> Linux device, they would have gone for the IPhone. Sure there will be
> some of them who purchase a 400$+ device for minimal functionality, but,
> and I may be mistaken, the red wine is getting to me here, most of us
> have purchased this N800 for the power features, I have a Debian based
> device with BT and WiFi and 2 SD slots!!! YEAH
>
> As I said, the wine could be getting to me here in Montreal, but THAT'S
> why I bought this toy, and that translates to 90 minutes plus if I have
> to reconfigure it at each flash!!  And I repeat, Nokia, I'm not
> bitching, thatks for the great toy, it's already making my life much
> better, but please re-arange your priorities to give us this feature
> before others.
>
>
> Gary Baribault
> Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> GPG Key: 0x4346F013
> GPG Fingerprint: BCE8 2E6B EB39 9B23 6904 1DF4 C4E6 2CF7 4346 F013
>
>
>
> Mike Klein wrote:
>   
>> These #s mean nothing without taking into account target user as you
>> mention.
>>
>> Do Nothing: This person buys device, installs a few apps and nothing
>> else. (TARGET AUDIENCE)
>> Minimal: These users install bunches of apps, certificates, pgp keys
>> (SECONDARY)
>> Maxmimum: Power Users/Devt who fully tweak device, custom drivers, conf
>> edits, perhaps beyond restore-ability
>>
>> So for primary audience...what is prob' 30min. reinstall time isn't too bad.
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>> Gary Baribault wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, that's exactly what I mean, some people have put down 430$ (in
>>> Canada) for a nice toy, and they can flash and restore in 20 minutes,
>>> but most people (I think, and I may be wrong) have put down 430$ for a
>>> fully customised device .. I'm not looking to be skewing information, if
>>> i'm wrong, then I'm wrong, no prob, then Nokia is right!
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary Baribault
>>> Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> GPG Key: 0x4346F013
>>> GPG Fingerprint: BCE8 2E6B EB39 9B23 6904 1DF4 C4E6 2CF7 4346 F013
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>>> I'm sure that some of the N800 owners can backup/flash/restore in 20
>>>>> minutes, but I would really be curious how many people take over 90
>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>   If you limit your curiosity to those over 90 minutes, you'll 
>>>> purposefully skew the results, which really isn't appropriate. 
>>>>
>>>>   I'm a 20 minute flash and restore kind of guy, back in August when I 
>>>> got the unit back from warranty service due to it's brick like 
>>>> behavior.  Most of that time was spent watching TV while the unit and 
>>>> laptop did their work.
>>>>
>>>>   However, it's possible that it's easy and short for me because I've 
>>>> kept things relatively simple on my N800 with a couple games, Gizmo 
>>>> Project, Quiver photo viewer and Claws mail being just about the only 
>>>> additions.  I've configured about 20 RSS feeds and 4 weather stations.   
>>>> I've tested a fair amount of other stuff from Maemo, but then when I 
>>>> find it of limited value or unfunctional, I remove it to keep the 
>>>> clutter down.   It seems to spee

Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

[Mike Klein]

These #s mean nothing without taking into account target user as you
mention.

Do Nothing: This person buys device, installs a few apps and nothing
else. (TARGET AUDIENCE)
Minimal: These users install bunches of apps, certificates, pgp keys
(SECONDARY)
Maxmimum: Power Users/Devt who fully tweak device, custom drivers, conf
edits, perhaps beyond restore-ability

So for primary audience...what is prob' 30min. reinstall time isn't too bad.


mike

Gary Baribault wrote:
> Yep, that's exactly what I mean, some people have put down 430$ (in
> Canada) for a nice toy, and they can flash and restore in 20 minutes,
> but most people (I think, and I may be wrong) have put down 430$ for a
> fully customised device .. I'm not looking to be skewing information, if
> i'm wrong, then I'm wrong, no prob, then Nokia is right!
>
>
> Gary Baribault
> Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> GPG Key: 0x4346F013
> GPG Fingerprint: BCE8 2E6B EB39 9B23 6904 1DF4 C4E6 2CF7 4346 F013
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>>> I'm sure that some of the N800 owners can backup/flash/restore in 20
>>> minutes, but I would really be curious how many people take over 90
>>> minutes.
>>>   
>>   If you limit your curiosity to those over 90 minutes, you'll 
>> purposefully skew the results, which really isn't appropriate. 
>>
>>   I'm a 20 minute flash and restore kind of guy, back in August when I 
>> got the unit back from warranty service due to it's brick like 
>> behavior.  Most of that time was spent watching TV while the unit and 
>> laptop did their work.
>>
>>   However, it's possible that it's easy and short for me because I've 
>> kept things relatively simple on my N800 with a couple games, Gizmo 
>> Project, Quiver photo viewer and Claws mail being just about the only 
>> additions.  I've configured about 20 RSS feeds and 4 weather stations.   
>> I've tested a fair amount of other stuff from Maemo, but then when I 
>> find it of limited value or unfunctional, I remove it to keep the 
>> clutter down.   It seems to speed boot up keeping things simple.  I 
>> gather it may also help the restore process...
>>
>>I guess the fine print is I've only recently started messing around 
>> getting Claws Mail up to full speed with filters and stuff, so it might 
>> be possible that I might have to spend some time fussing with restoring 
>> some Claws settings there from a restore, but then again, perhaps not.  
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Re: 4.2007.38-2 available

[Mike Klein]

This is how I read the announcement...fixes for just 2 bugs. However it
would be nice to see official change listeven if only to list these
2 bugs.

Btw (not to compare rotten apples to florida oranges) but WM
phones/devices and many others work the same way...reflash and reinstall.

I  that WM6 is going to offer an online update facility to
address these issues...but carriers may have a say in this.


mike

Andrew Flegg wrote:
> On 10/2/07, Acadia Secure Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Also it would be helpful if Nokia would clearly specify ALL of the
>> changes in this release. Is there any reason not to?
>> 
>
> The fact that the initial digit (i.e. the revision number) is the same
> suggests that the changes are minor. How do you know that it's *not*
> just the SDHC card fix?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: Canola never finds any media

[Mike Klein]

Junk?

Canola is one of the best apps around for pdas...let alone the N800.

I had no problems when I installed and it works perfectly.


mike

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I had this problem, and deleted the junk.  Like most, I'm too busy to
> wade thru junkie installation failures and funky kludge fixes. 
>
> Maemo needs to have a way for end users to quickly note apps that
> don't install cleanly without hassles. 
>
> Danilo Cesar wrote:
>> I had this same problem, but I solve it by adding a new user:
>>
>> adduser --shell /bin/false avahi
>>
>> Just remember to disable this user after that.
>>
>>
>> Danilo Cesar Lemes de Paula
>> UFPR - Ciência da Computação
>> http://www.danilocesar.com
>>
>>
>> Danilo Cesar Lemes de Paula
>> UFPR - Ciência da Computação
>> http://www.danilocesar.com
>>
>>
>> José Luís escreveu:
>>   
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Recently, I have this problem too. This is because, canola's 
>>> installation was no successfully finished . This happen in the 
>>> installation of avahi-daemon (canola dependency), because he try to 
>>> access /etc/shadow file, but is not present in the n800 device. To solve 
>>> this I used xterm to create a /etc/shadow file based on /etc/passwd (see 
>>> shadow file in any linux distribution, for details) . After  creation of 
>>> /etc/shadow file, you can use the command apt-get install -f, to fix 
>>> canola's installation.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> José Luís
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/6/07, *Steve Yelvington* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there some magic to making Canola actually find local media? Using
>>> the Web-based configurator, I have /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2 in the
>>> Media Library. There are several gigs of MP3 files in folders on mmc1,
>>> and I've rescanned until I'm blue in the face, but Canola still
>>> can't do
>>> anything but sit there and tell me "No items found" when I select "Audio
>>> Library."
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Re: N800 Power Problems

[Mike Klein]

James Knott wrote:
> Ryan Pavlik wrote:
>   
>> James Knott wrote:
>>     
>>> Mike Klein wrote:
>>>   
>
>   
>>>>>  
>>>>>   
>>>> Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb"
>>>> recharging more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big
>>>> guns...all else is in orbit around it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Does the N800 charge from the USB cable?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> No.
>>
>>
>> 
> That's what I thought.  The post I replied to threw in a lot of claims
> and so on, but nothing sensible.
>
>
>   
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Re: N800 Power Problems

[Mike Klein]

Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>   
>> Mike Klein wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Frederik Ferner wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:01:18AM +0300, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 12:44 +0100, ext Frederik Ferner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>>> In my case, I cannot seen any obvious signs but most of the time I plug
>>>>>> the device into power it doesn't even start charging. I managed to start
>>>>>> charging it with a few attempts usually. Today I don't seem to have any
>>>>>> luck, best I got was that it started to charge but by the time I've put
>>>>>> it back on the table and looked again it seems to have stopped charging
>>>>>> again. 
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>   
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Try with another charger, it could be a broken plug too..? I had one
>>>>> plug break internally I think, when I tripped over the cord once,
>>>>> sending the whole shebang flying around pretty nicely.. :-]
>>>>>
>>>>> The device was fine, and charges ok with another charger, but that one
>>>>> plug is not working reliably anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>> Thanks, yes my N800 is indeed still fine but the charger (or more likely
>>>> the cord) is broken. Unfortunately I don't have any other new style
>>>> charger around, i.e. the one with the smaller plug.
>>>>
>>>> I guess, I'll have to get a new charger...
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Frederik
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>>>> 
>>> Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb"
>>> recharging more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big
>>> guns...all else is in orbit around it.
>>> 
>>>   
>> Does the N800 charge from the USB cable?
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
> No.
>
>
>   
Yes it does. Notice how "usb" is in quotes? I use the cablebut not
the port on the N800. Cable is split. USB recharging...but not via usb port.
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Re: N800 Power Problems

[Mike Klein]

Frederik Ferner wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 11:01:18AM +0300, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 12:44 +0100, ext Frederik Ferner wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> In my case, I cannot seen any obvious signs but most of the time I plug
>>> the device into power it doesn't even start charging. I managed to start
>>> charging it with a few attempts usually. Today I don't seem to have any
>>> luck, best I got was that it started to charge but by the time I've put
>>> it back on the table and looked again it seems to have stopped charging
>>> again. 
>>>   
>> Try with another charger, it could be a broken plug too..? I had one
>> plug break internally I think, when I tripped over the cord once,
>> sending the whole shebang flying around pretty nicely.. :-]
>>
>> The device was fine, and charges ok with another charger, but that one
>> plug is not working reliably anymore.
>> 
>
> Thanks, yes my N800 is indeed still fine but the charger (or more likely
> the cord) is broken. Unfortunately I don't have any other new style
> charger around, i.e. the one with the smaller plug.
>
> I guess, I'll have to get a new charger...
>
> Kind regards,
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Do NOT buy a new chargerat least for me I've found "usb" recharging
more versatile...I only use AC for my tabletpcthe big guns...all
else is in orbit around it.

Look into VEC414S (100w inverter w/usb and 3-prong size of cigarette
pack!) . It's like $42...a steal.

http://www.amazon.com/VECTOR-VEC414S-MICROSLIM-POWER-INVERTER/dp/B000KKMSDM

Also check out Boxwave's miniSync (for Nokia E62...same voltage as N800)
and VersaCharger PRO (w/airplane option).

http://www.boxwave.com/products/minisync/minisync-retractable-cable-nokia-e62_2097.htm
http://www.boxwave.com/products/bundles/airplaneconverter-versacharger-pro/index.htm

You must use "special" cable for most devices...sigh. One would hope
mini-usb would do it...but you must get special cable doing some pin
swapping.

Lastly (haven't bought this yet) check out Tumi's "Ultra Slim Universal
Power Adaptor Kit".

http://www.tumi.com/wallets_accessories/electronic_accessories/category_search/ultra_slim_universal_power_adaptor_kit/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=83777

With combination of these items (at least first two) I'm pretty well set
for recharging my pdas, bt headphones, cameras, etc. Having 3rd item
(universal ps) just means I can mix things up a bit more.

To sync multiple items I have several "micro/mini" usb hubs...here are 2
smallest usb hubs I've found:

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-U222-004-R-Bus-Powered-Ultra-Mini/dp/B92YOU/ref=sr_1_1/103-3857429-6614210?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1188353562&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/5PORT-Hub-Adapter-Hi-speed-Mobility/dp/B0009B0F6E/ref=sr_1_1/103-3857429-6614210?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1188353624&sr=8-1


Tripp-lite is smallest but is less likely to "lay down" and look as
clean as slightly larger 5Port though.


mike

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Re: External Keyboards

[Mike Klein]

You're looking for a bt-legacy adapter for ps/2 (or usb) devices...as
far as I know they only do this (i.e. Motorola) for audio line out.

That's my problem with all bt keyboards...they're either chintzy little
folding things that always flex too much for lap use or they are HUGE
monstrosities like my MX5000...or they give you crap key layout.

If somebody put out a bt keyboard like the HappyHacking keyboard I'd be
in heaven.

All the 'good' small-sized wireless keyboards I've found were RF and not BT.


mike

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 05:58:44PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
>   
>> I had to do searching to find an external keyboard.  Now I'm using the 
>> Stowaway by Think Outside which connects with bluetooth.  I'm curious 
>> what other keyboards people are using, since I may want to get a better 
>> one  for my Nokia 770.
>>
>> The biggest issue I am having is not just size, which I expect from a 
>> foldable keyboard, but the layout of some keys is distracting.  Does 
>> anyone have a keyboard they particularly like?
>> 
>
> Is there any way to attach some kind of dongle to a USB keyboard to make 
> it talk bluetooth?  Would it make a difference if the keyboard were 
> self-powered?
>
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Re: Sprint's N800 with WiMAX

[Mike Klein]

o "assure the quality of their
>overall EVDO service".
>
>5. More recently I met an individual at Google in the Washington
> D.C. area who is part of the recently formed Google lobbying
>organization. This is the group that made the case to the FCC (with
>partial success) to make sure that the upcoming auction in the us of
>the upper 700 mhz band allows open access. I briefly demoed the N800
>tethered via Bluetooth to a handset that was on-net with the Verizon
>EVDO service.
>
>5. Verizon Wireless as well as ATT is launching a live (QVGA
>quality) broadcast video service using 700mhz channel acquired by
>Qualcomm. Qualcomm converted the channel to digital using a patented
>(its Qualcomm of course) OFDM derivative technology marketed by
>Qualcomm as MediaFlo^1,2,3,4,5 Mediaflow capable handsets^6 (Samsung
>SCH-u620 and the LG VX9400) are already on the market and Verizon
>has started rolling this service out in selected markets in the U.S.
>under the service name VCAST Mobile TV^7 .
>
>Verizon Wireless, and now ATT  thus each have a built incentive to
>limit the range of capabilities of their broadband data service
>(EVDO in the case of Verizon wireless and HSDPA in the case of ATT)
>when it comes to video so that users will have an incentive  to
>instead purchase the  Mobile TV service. Of course with Mediaflo,
>the user is limited to the channels (8 currently but with capacity
>for up to 20 channels) and content that is being broadcast  by the
>networks at each point in time and, as far as I know, there is not
>yet any DVR capability in the aforementioned handsets for
>time-shifting content playback.
>
> It remains to be seen whether or not mobile TV service will be
>successful in the U.S. or elsewhere (I think it will be) and which
>technology, Mediaflo or DVB-H (backed by the EU) will win out.
>
>1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaFLO
>2. http://www.qualcomm.com/mediaflo/index.shtml
>
>3. http://www.qualcomm.com/mediaflo/news/pdf/network_diagram.pdf
>4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Mobility
>5. http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=136850
>6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi53R2CDIgg
>7. http://products.vzw.com/index.aspx?id=mobileTV#grid
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> John Holmblad
>
>
>
> Acadia Secure Networks
>
>
>
>
> Mike Klein wrote:
>> For use other than simple voice (gsm, 3g) a cellular chip would present
>> some REAL political obstacles in US of course.
>>
>> Most US carriers (except Sprint) terms of service (tos) forbid anything
>> other than straight html and pop/imap with ssl all around. Any
>> streaming, voip, etc. (sigh) constitutes a violation and your contract
>> can be terminated along with you paying fees. Most carriers
>> intentionally cripple the hardware (face camera removal on Hermes for
>> ATT) or firmware (bt dun removal).
>>
>> They are very afraid of a web experience they don't control...in part
>> because networks aren't where rest of world's are...and also because
>> they offer competing 'services' disallowing what you already should be
>> able to do on your "unlimited" plan.
>>
>> Even a business grade account doesn't change tos...your only option for
>> privacy is vpn...and this may unnecessarily cripple you...and you're
>> still in violation of tos doing this anyways, so...
>>
>> Maybe gsm could be haggled but full 3g ala evdo or hsdpa may not be
>> possible anytime soon. This 'quandary' makes me straddle
>> carriers...8525/ATT for most capable phone and ST5111/Sprint data card
>> for getting 'work done' while on the road.
>>
>> I'd love to replace my 8525 with a device I wouldn't have to reboot 5
>> times/day. It's quite capable...but 20 clicks to do what s/be a click
>> away is getting old.
>>
>> I like the direction the N800 is going in and finding more uses for it
>> all the time. Add an eye-loop on next model though.
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>> Quim Gil wrote:
>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> - Go to maemo.org
>>> - Introduce "wimax" in the search box.
>>>
>>> You get by default 3 results under "maemo.org documentation". But this
>>> is not what you are asking for.
>>> Change the selection in the dropdown menu to "Mail Archive"
>>>
>>> - "Results 1 - 10 of about 33 for wimax."
>>>
>>> Enjoy the reading.  :)
>>&

Re: Sprint's N800 with WiMAX

[Mike Klein]

For use other than simple voice (gsm, 3g) a cellular chip would present
some REAL political obstacles in US of course.

Most US carriers (except Sprint) terms of service (tos) forbid anything
other than straight html and pop/imap with ssl all around. Any
streaming, voip, etc. (sigh) constitutes a violation and your contract
can be terminated along with you paying fees. Most carriers
intentionally cripple the hardware (face camera removal on Hermes for
ATT) or firmware (bt dun removal).

They are very afraid of a web experience they don't control...in part
because networks aren't where rest of world's are...and also because
they offer competing 'services' disallowing what you already should be
able to do on your "unlimited" plan.

Even a business grade account doesn't change tos...your only option for
privacy is vpn...and this may unnecessarily cripple you...and you're
still in violation of tos doing this anyways, so...

Maybe gsm could be haggled but full 3g ala evdo or hsdpa may not be
possible anytime soon. This 'quandary' makes me straddle
carriers...8525/ATT for most capable phone and ST5111/Sprint data card
for getting 'work done' while on the road.

I'd love to replace my 8525 with a device I wouldn't have to reboot 5
times/day. It's quite capable...but 20 clicks to do what s/be a click
away is getting old.

I like the direction the N800 is going in and finding more uses for it
all the time. Add an eye-loop on next model though.


mike

Quim Gil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> - Go to maemo.org
> - Introduce "wimax" in the search box.
>
> You get by default 3 results under "maemo.org documentation". But this
> is not what you are asking for. 
>
> Change the selection in the dropdown menu to "Mail Archive"
>
> - "Results 1 - 10 of about 33 for wimax."
>
> Enjoy the reading.  :) 
>
> The first public mention I remember was early on January:
> http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=113890&WT.svl=news1_1
>  
>
> On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 11:22 -0700, ext Gary wrote:
>   
>> The article below mentions discussion of Sprint's WiMAX N800 "on the
>> Maemo mailing list and other places" but I've not seen it here on
>> 'users.' Has this been discussed already or have I been asleep at the
>> wheel? Either way it's exciting news for users here in the States.
>> Perhaps this will encourage some non-US 3G carriers to work with Nokia
>> as well.
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>>
>> "At the LinuxWorld conference in San Francisco this week, /LinuxDevices/
>> spoke with Dr. Ari Jaaksi, Nokia's director of open source. ... Jaaksi
>> said the WiMAX-enabled N800 would 'most probably' include WiFi and
>> Bluetooth as well. He felt that interference problems could be
>> minimized, noting, 'We had the same interference with Bluetooth and WiFi
>> initially, but we solved that.' ... He said the new device would likely
>> get more publicity during the process of FCC approval. However, he
>> declined to announce any timeframe for when that might happen, in
>> deference to Sprint. Jaaksi declined to say whose WiMAX chip will go
>> into the planned device. Noting that the WiMAX specifications continue
>> to evolve, he said he believed the device would support Mobile WiMAX
>> initially, with support for additional WiMAX variants to follow. ...
>> Asked whether Nokia might also consider adding a cellular radio chip to
>> its Linux-based Internet tablet in the future, Jaaksi replied, 'It's
>> more a business model than a technology barrier.'"
>>
>> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8069179684.html
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Re: Anyone run Xournal successfully on N800?

[Mike Klein]

Since reflashing to latest firmware I found most games don't work
(chess, etc...anything requiring drag/drop) in addition to MediaStream
(upnp scans find but no play/audio).

I haven't dug into these issues yet.


mike

Michael Wiktowy wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I used to run (and enjoy) previous versions of Xournal on previous
> firmware for my N800 and it worked well. However, the latest version
> (that has been out for a while now) with more recent firmware seems to
> run and it detects stylus taps but as soon as I start to take notes,
> it bogs down, takes up 100% CPU and causes my tablet to become
> completely unresponsive for a time that depends on how long I
> scribbled with the stylus. It looks like it is working really hard to
> draw the lines on the screen but never does.
>
> Is anyone else having this issue?
>
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Re: Streaming Music to the N800

[Mike Klein]

And every Nokia upnp client app (Canola, Media Streamer) worked like a
charm.

Mike Klein wrote:
> Au contraire... instant on with Windows Connect and WM10? as servers.
> This may not be what masses who own N800 have, but I've found Win XP
> stable for all but media center (HD) activity.
>
> I own a WM5 8525 phone as well aso a Win box comes in handy!
>
> I'll try Myth tomorrow.
>
>
>  mike
>
> Alan Williamson wrote:
>   
>> . . .
>> On this journey, it has taught me one thing; this isn't for the faint 
>> hearted; setting up this little device to do something as simple as 
>> streaming from your music collection is not for the casual user.  This 
>> is yet another hole in the N800 armour in terms of mass adoption.
>>
>>   
>> 


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Re: Streaming Music to the N800

[Mike Klein]

Au contraire... instant on with Windows Connect and WM10? as servers.
This may not be what masses who own N800 have, but I've found Win XP
stable for all but media center (HD) activity.

I own a WM5 8525 phone as well aso a Win box comes in handy!

I'll try Myth tomorrow.


 mike

Alan Williamson wrote:
> . . .
> On this journey, it has taught me one thing; this isn't for the faint 
> hearted; setting up this little device to do something as simple as 
> streaming from your music collection is not for the casual user.  This 
> is yet another hole in the N800 armour in terms of mass adoption.
>
>   


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Re: Experience with N800 portable autonomous battery charger

[Mike Klein]

James Knott wrote:
> Laurent GUERBY wrote:
>   
>> So I went another route and bought:
>>
>> - 4x AA NIMH batteries with charger (1), 
>> - a USB battery extender with room for 4xAA (2) 
>> - a USB to N800 power plug adapter, part of a quite complete charger and
>> adapter pack (3)
>>
>>   
>> 
>
> Where'd you find the USB - N800 adapter?  Even that much would be
> useful, as the N800 could then be charged by any computer or "cigarette
> lighter" adapter.
>
>   
I ordered this from boxwave and it works well.

http://www.boxwave.com/products/minisync/minisync-retractable-cable-nokia-e62_2097.htm

My Dodge Magnum has 3 cigarette lighters...which somes in handy. One at
front dash is for powering my ST5111 tablet on RamMount.

Another is in console...I put cigarette 2 usb hub in there and since
console has "routing" holes the cables can squirt outside where you
connect device and place inverted in cupholder or something. Another DC
socket at tailgate...for blender/parties.

If you have 2+ devices any of the mini/micro usb hubs work excellent as
recharging stations. See Targus...and get one that's powered.

I'm glad us "consumers" finally have a standard charging solution. It's
liberating to bring single usb cable for recharging your stuff.
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Re: my two big fustrations with the N800

[Mike Klein]

Alan Williamson wrote:
> James Knott wrote:
>   
>> I have no use for those who insist we shouldn't ask for things because
>> it's an "internet tablet".
>> The N800 is a very capable device that could do a lot more if certain
>> people would just get over that "internet tablet" speed bump.
>> 
>
> Well said that man!
>
> I for one, would like to see the N800 get proper celluar phone 
> capabilities
>
>   

In "theory" as much as I'd like to have cellular connectivity with my
N800...in "practice" all you'd be able to do is make phone calls. This
may be enuff for some.

Most carrier's terms of service (except Sprint...but they have 0% cust
support) prohibit anything other than fetch of html and email. Any usage
of voip and they can (per contract) can you with you paying all fees.

N800 browser is more advanced than PIE (on WM) I believe and would make
it easier to stream from certain web sites...this is why PIE has been
crippled all these years and reason Cingular strippped front video
camera from 8525 and why iPhone has no 3gthe 3g networks aren't
ready (that we've been hearing about for past 5+ years!).


mike
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Re: my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find a workaround!

[Mike Klein]

It was mentioned in list just a few days ago I think that next firmware
would provide for backup/restore functionality of apps.

I also believe apt-updates for all was in future roadmap too.


mike

andrei raevsky wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> Let me begin my saying that I *love* by N800 and I wonder how I have
> ever lived without it in the past.  I use it all day long, to check my
> emails, get the news, listen to music, calculate my weekly spending,
> read ebooks, etc.  I looked long and hard for something like a
> internet-capable, ebook-reading handheld device and after careful
> consideration I choose the N800 and it is way better than my
> expectations.
>
> I love of OS, the interface, and I have found many truly excellent
> third party software.  So please do not take offense at what follows,
> but I am also really frustrated with the N800.  I want to tell you
> what bugs me so much and ask you whether you found a way around the
> two issues which make me grind my teeth and get gastric reflux.
>
> 1) OS updates and backups
>
> I am totally appalled that an operating system based on Debian was
> re-designed so much that the only way to update the OS is to download
> a file, use a flasher, then loose all the data and configuration on
> the unit and, even worse, use all the downloaded applications.  Not
> only that, but it turns out that the backup application does not
> always work between the backups and that when it works it does not
> really backup the configuration at all.  Holy cow!  How does one take
> something as beautiful as " apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
> and reduce it to such a total disaster?! To cap it all, there are
> entire threads on the Internet Tablet Forums
>  which discuss all the
> crashes, bugs, and other problems with new version of the OS!  That
> is, in my mind, the single worst design flaw in the N800.
>
> I have 15 third party applications (taken from 12 'application
> catalogs), I have Xterm with such things as mc and wget installed, I
> have ssh installed and configured to give me root access when needed,
> I have 12 RSS feeds I use daily, I have a well-filled contacts list, a
> long internet radio list, etc.  IF I flash my unit it is going to take
> me hours to get all this back.  I will need to backup and restore
> /etc/apt/source.list manually only to try to remember where I got
> which app (but I still will not be able to apt-get).  It is going to
> take me hours...
>
> 2) Repositories:
>
> Nokia followed a rather strange repo policy.  There are the basic
> Nokia catalog and the Nokia 3rd party catalog.  And after that, you
> are on your own.  For example, one of the most amazing application on
> the N800 is the FBReader which has its own repo.  There is also a
> Maemo repo, and a maemo-hackers repo.  And a bora-extras.  And
> claws-mail repo.  And many more.  That's just crazy!  Why did Nokia
> not follow Ubuntu's policy of having a Main, Restricted, Universe and
> Multi-universe 
> repos in one place.  Multiple repos are just an stability/security
> risk for the unit, IMO.  It would take Nokia just a couple of
> employees to maintain such a one-place repository and it would
> immensely improve the capability of the unit.  Debian can boast that
> it now has 19000+ applications.  Of course, having a different
> architecture the N800 could not do that, but would it not be a good
> selling point to say, for example, the iPhone offers you 10
> applications (or whatever, I made this number up), the N800 offers 127
> (or whatever number).
>
> These two issues are, of course, linked and my best guess is that the
> folks who designed the N800 either were not truly used to the
> GNU/Linux way of doing things, or were overruled/micromanaged by a
> bunch of "suits".  I just cannot imagine anyone who has 'walked' the
> Debian way settling for this kind of nightmarish "updating" scenario...
>
> So here is my question to you:
>
> Has anyone figured a safe and easy way around all this mess?  Has
> anyone written an application which would *really* backup all the
> data, applications, source list and settings from an N800 to a single
> file which could then be used to restore?  Then the unit could be
> flashed, the OS updated, this one script downloaded and a real
> one-step (if not one click) backup would follow.
>
> Is there another workaround hack which would make it possible to
> update the OS safely, rapidly and painlessly?
>
> How are you all handling this?
>
> Last but not least, is there any hope at all to see an apt-get update
> && apt-get dist-upgrade -capable N800 in the future?
>
> Many thanks for any pointers,
>
> Andrei
> 
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Re: mozilla browser

[Mike Klein]

Does this browser/n800 support ssl3?

I am still having handshake errors. N800 says unknown protocol...yet my
server is using ssl3 and has zero problems with all other https client
(pie, firefox, ie).


mike

Paul Klapperich wrote:
> Display settings are in the Control Panel for the tablet.
>
> --Paul
>
> On 7/17/07, *Jae Stutzman* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> Great! Now picasaweb's slideshow feature works (AJAX based).
>
> Does anyone know how to keep backlight on? My slideshow is nice in
> fullscreen (with no toolbar), but the screen goes dark after a bit.
>
> This is a great development for maemo.
>
> Jae
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Re: N800 Leather Case

[Mike Klein]

A funny thing I've noticed about the leather cases (and prob' most cases
in general) is none EVER fit perfectly.

On all leather cases I've used for N800 (tested like 4) subtle
imperfections always cause buttons to not exactly be lined up or exposed
fully...not a killer but a flaw nonetheless.

Even a Toshiba laptop bag supposedly MADE for my laptop is a complete
bitch to fit the damn laptop in...sigh. Does anybody use what they create?!?

Get an x-acto and be prepared to make minor cuts to expose buttons
better, etc. Sometimes they cover up with TOO much leather in spots.


mike

Paul Klapperich wrote:
> Oh, shoot!
> http://www.boxwave.com/products/dlsleeve/nokia-n800-designio-leather-sleeve_2569.htm
>
> On 7/10/07, Paul Klapperich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Is this it? It doesn't look like it has a flap to cover the screen at all in 
>> the pictures.
>>
>> --Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/07, Ryan Pavlik < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> BoxWave has both a rubberized N800 skin and a leather case - both of
>>> which allow use with the case on.  I have the leather one and it is nice
>>> - even has a magnetically-closed flap to allow the stand to open/be used
>>> with the case on.
>>>
>>> Apparently the official Nokia case is due in 2-3 weeks.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> Mike Klein wrote:
>>>   
>>>> I normally don't get into case/keybd discussions...however I did find a
>>>> fully in-case functional "case" (ahem) for N800.
>>>>
>>>> Nice black leather? with white stitching and all ports/buttons are
>>>> visible. Case flap can even be flipped around to make it stand on desk
>>>> without resorting to freeing stand on n800 itself.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Case-for-Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-BK-Fully-Pr_W0QQitemZ150139265641QQihZ005QQcategoryZ75432QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>> Just search on nokie leather and black on ebay and you'll find them.
>>>> Sellers are prompt and product is quality.
>>>>
>>>> I want cases to satisfy two requirements most of the time: ruggedizes
>>>> device AND allows in-case usage.
>>>>
>>>> For when I'm fishing/kayaking I have a nice AquaPac and I bought a
>>>> neoprene neck strap/lanyard system...can boogie while I'm paddling so
>>>> it's quite effective...now I just need a2dp.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>  >> Finally l've located one leather case that is fine for the N800: CP61
>>>   
>>>>> for Nokia 9500.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> AbiWord Community Outreach Project:  www.cleardefinition.com/oss/abi/blog/
>>>
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>>>  -- Helen Keller
>>>
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Re: [Fwd: Re: weird? problem with memory reporting after firmware upgrade]

[Mike Klein]

I would doubt any updates are silent.

These kinds of updates must be visible to end user so I would assume
AppManager...but this only shows apps needing updating...not low level
cruft.

So perhaps user would need to be instructed to switch to red pill mode
temporarily to get a certain lib or whatnot.

Then again nokia could certainly pkg fixes as a 1st class app and not
require red pill...which is what they would prob' have to do for ease of
use in general. For critical updates I would have to assume user
wouldn't need red pill.

I am not most knowledgeable on this matter though...speculation.


mike
>  Original Message 
> Subject:  Re: weird? problem with memory reporting after firmware upgrade
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:01:26 -0400
> From: Acadia Secure Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Organization:     Acadia Secure Networks
> To:   Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> References:   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> how does Nokia incorporate/distribute bug fixes in between releases like 
> the one which just occurred?
>
> Are bug fixes silently downloaded/installed automatically or does the 
> user have to take some action to install them, for example, by means of 
> a special repository for Nokia bug fixes? How can I tell if I am getting 
> the bug fixes in the Nokia firmware?
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>  
>
> John Holmblad
>
>  
>
> Acadia Secure Networks
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Mike Klein wrote:
>   
>> I'll be a good boy and starting visiting bug system from now on.
>>
>> I updated bug descr to indicate latest firmware still has problem...it 
>> seems fix was applied 2 days before release of firmware (something 
>> like that) so I doubt it is in.
>>
>> Hopefully this is visual only and doesn't cause errors when you get 
>> close to actual limits.
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>> Neil MacLeod wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike Klein wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> My memory usage was at 70% after loading all this stuff per control
>>>> panel. I recalled thinking this was good as I had put damn near
>>>> everything I wanted and still had breathing room.
>>>>
>>>> I check this morning memory settings and I see I'm at 27% usage?!?
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Have you checked bug 1114[1] - it could be what you are describing. From 
>>> the vague and confusing comments left in the bug by Nokia/Maemo it's hard 
>>> to say if it's fixed in this firmware or not, but the chances are it's not 
>>> (I mean, what was?)
>>>
>>> 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114
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Re: kind of off-topic, but not completely: some questions about the N800

[Mike Klein]

Some comments on 3rd party batter life and recharging below.

Larry Battraw wrote:
> On 4/2/07, andrei raevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2) Batteries: Nokia's documentation says that once the batteries are
>> charged
>> the unit should be disconnected (same thing for my Nokia phone,
>> BTW).  So
>> does that mean that overnight recharge is not an option?  Can/should
>> I run
>> the unit without a battery inside when/if I can?  The battery life of
>> the
>> unit (and of my Nokia phone) is, alas, rather short.  Has anyone tried
>> purchasing a non-Nokia battery for cheaper and possibly with a longer
>> battery life?
>
>  The notice about disconnecting is from an older era in batteries and
> is no longer applicable.  You can't run without a battery inside.
> It's really just gambling with your tablet to use non-Nokia batteries;
> some do it with success but it seems like battery life is not as much
> as you'd expect.
>
I purchased a CHEAP (I think $10 or $15) battery from eBay that was
nokia n800 compatible...on full charge I get at best 4 hours rather than
7 of nokia standard. Given it was so cheap this isn't a big deal.
>
>> 7) is there a car charger for the N800?
>
>  It's possible to use a car charger intended for a Nokia phone with
> the same (small) power tip as opposed to the older 3.5mm size.  It's
> also possible to purchase an adapter to convert the larger tip to the
> smaller type used by the n800.
>
I've found best solution is to use cigarette lighter to power either an
inverter (some come with usb plus 1 or 2 3-prong ac) or usb hub. Since
N800 isn't chargeable via usb (sigh) you need to get a converter on web
which turns usb (full) into mini-usb plus the nokia n800 power plug.
It's a tiny dongle.


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Re: weird? problem with memory reporting after firmware upgrade

[Mike Klein]

I'll be a good boy and starting visiting bug system from now on.

I updated bug descr to indicate latest firmware still has problem...it
seems fix was applied 2 days before release of firmware (something like
that) so I doubt it is in.

Hopefully this is visual only and doesn't cause errors when you get
close to actual limits.


mike

Neil MacLeod wrote:
> Mike Klein wrote:
>   
>> My memory usage was at 70% after loading all this stuff per control
>> panel. I recalled thinking this was good as I had put damn near
>> everything I wanted and still had breathing room.
>>
>> I check this morning memory settings and I see I'm at 27% usage?!?
>>
>> 
> Have you checked bug 1114[1] - it could be what you are describing. From the 
> vague and confusing comments left in the bug by Nokia/Maemo it's hard to say 
> if it's fixed in this firmware or not, but the chances are it's not (I mean, 
> what was?)
>
> 1. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114
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Re: https client auth failing after firmware upgrade?

[Mike Klein]

I didn't restore from backup after firmware upgrade...but yes I tried
clearing all stored data in opera...no go.

Made sure "redirect" was checked in addition to ssl2...tried all combos
and get same results.

CertMgr definitelys shows 2 good (unexpired) user certs signed by CA
name is shows up in my trust store. My web server is DEFINITELY
returning a server cert signed by this CA.

Alas there is no "Tools->Log" in opera ui as there is for
ApplicationManager.

Do we even have centralized logging on n800? I notice /var/logs is
basically empty...I realize memory is  limited...but an
aggresive log rotation policy should solve this I would think.


mike

Josh Smith wrote:
> That's too bad... That's the easy fix.  Does it work if you clear your
> cache, reboot, and then go directly to the web site that wasn't
> working?  Also - have you looked at the certificate manager in the
> control panel for clues?
>
> On 7/10/07, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  My date/time exactly matches my laptop (and both are correct).
>> 7/10/07 and
>> 1:30 pm...time of post.
>>
>>
>>  mike
>>
>>
>>  Josh Smith wrote:
>>  This seems to be a chronic problem with Opera on the N800. One common
>> fix is to make sure your date and time are set properly - including
>> the date format.
>>
>> I am rather sure there is a bug report on this issue - I think I
>> started it... It seems to have gotten worse though since the upgrade.
>>
>> On 7/10/07, Piotr Zagorowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I'm seeing probably the same issue. I'm having problem e.g. with
>> https://www.t-mobile.co.uk
>>
>> first:
>> "This site has sent an untrusted certificate
>> * Certificate cannot identify the server"
>>
>> and then:
>>
>> "Unable to complete secure transaction
>> https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/service/your-account/login/";
>>
>>
>> Pit
>>
>> On 7/10/07, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I have a couple of clients certs imported signed by self-signed CA
>> which
>> is also imported as trusted root.
>>
>> My server shows client isn't returning a certificate. The imported certs
>> are trusted for web, email and wlan.
>>
>> Since /var/log is empty I'm not sure where to check on nokia side.
>>
>> Has this been reported or are others seeing this?
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Re: https client auth failing after firmware upgrade?

[Mike Klein]

My date/time exactly matches my laptop (and both are correct). 7/10/07
and 1:30 pm...time of post.


mike

Josh Smith wrote:
> This seems to be a chronic problem with Opera on the N800.  One common
> fix is to make sure your date and time are set properly - including
> the date format.
>
> I am rather sure there is a bug report on this issue - I think I
> started it...  It seems to have gotten worse though since the upgrade.
>
> On 7/10/07, Piotr Zagorowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I'm seeing probably the same issue. I'm having problem e.g. with
>> https://www.t-mobile.co.uk
>>
>> first:
>> "This site has sent an untrusted certificate
>> * Certificate cannot identify the server"
>>
>> and then:
>>
>> "Unable to complete secure transaction
>> https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/service/your-account/login/";
>>
>>
>> Pit
>>
>> On 7/10/07, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a couple of clients certs imported signed by self-signed CA which
>>> is also imported as trusted root.
>>>
>>> My server shows client isn't returning a certificate. The imported certs
>>> are trusted for web, email and wlan.
>>>
>>> Since /var/log is empty I'm not sure where to check on nokia side.
>>>
>>> Has this been reported or are others seeing this?
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weird? problem with memory reporting after firmware upgrade

[Mike Klein]

After reflashing I install my usual 1st class apps: ror, metasploit,
geomapper?, solitaire, j2me, osgi, claws and a few network utils not
with firmware.

My memory usage was at 70% after loading all this stuff per control
panel. I recalled thinking this was good as I had put damn near
everything I wanted and still had breathing room.

I check this morning memory settings and I see I'm at 27% usage?!?

Something weird appears to be going on...also it would appear memory
stats/totals don't add up.

Anybody else seeing this or is my math bad (or I'm otherwuise consfused).

I did NOT restore backup after firmware upgrade and only use mmc1 for
backups and mmc2 for music/videos.


thanks in advance,

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Re: N800 Leather Case

[Mike Klein]

Yeah...a week after I ordered mine I saw they removed a "button" and now
top flap is magnetic. However with this version I don't think you can
bend flap back and make it "stick" for use as stand...did they put
another magnet on back for this?

My "primary" carry for N800 and mini-bt keyboard (cc-sized...forget
manuf.) is an "under arm" holster with two pockets (one for n800 and
other for keyboard or my 8525/hermes).

Under arm holster is hot as it NEVER gets in the way...but is uber
geeky...but works. During 4th of july in hot sun...I didn't want holster
under "naked" armpit for obvious reasons. So I switched to unit in
AquaPac if I'm near the water or just have unit on neck strap. I feared
in 110 temps that unit in leather case might be a tad much.

I detest cases which snap to belt as often getting in and out of car or
chair the damn things pop off or get hit.


mike

Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> BoxWave has both a rubberized N800 skin and a leather case - both of
> which allow use with the case on.  I have the leather one and it is
> nice - even has a magnetically-closed flap to allow the stand to
> open/be used with the case on.
>
> Apparently the official Nokia case is due in 2-3 weeks.
>
> Ryan
>
> Mike Klein wrote:
>> I normally don't get into case/keybd discussions...however I did find a
>> fully in-case functional "case" (ahem) for N800.
>>
>> Nice black leather? with white stitching and all ports/buttons are
>> visible. Case flap can even be flipped around to make it stand on desk
>> without resorting to freeing stand on n800 itself.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Case-for-Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-BK-Fully-Pr_W0QQitemZ150139265641QQihZ005QQcategoryZ75432QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>
>>
>> Just search on nokie leather and black on ebay and you'll find them.
>> Sellers are prompt and product is quality.
>>
>> I want cases to satisfy two requirements most of the time: ruggedizes
>> device AND allows in-case usage.
>>
>> For when I'm fishing/kayaking I have a nice AquaPac and I bought a
>> neoprene neck strap/lanyard system...can boogie while I'm paddling so
>> it's quite effective...now I just need a2dp.
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>> Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
>>  
>>> Finally l've located one leather case that is fine for the N800: CP61
>>> for Nokia 9500.
>>>
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Re: N800 Leather Case

[Mike Klein]

I normally don't get into case/keybd discussions...however I did find a
fully in-case functional "case" (ahem) for N800.

Nice black leather? with white stitching and all ports/buttons are
visible. Case flap can even be flipped around to make it stand on desk
without resorting to freeing stand on n800 itself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Case-for-Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-BK-Fully-Pr_W0QQitemZ150139265641QQihZ005QQcategoryZ75432QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just search on nokie leather and black on ebay and you'll find them.
Sellers are prompt and product is quality.

I want cases to satisfy two requirements most of the time: ruggedizes
device AND allows in-case usage.

For when I'm fishing/kayaking I have a nice AquaPac and I bought a
neoprene neck strap/lanyard system...can boogie while I'm paddling so
it's quite effective...now I just need a2dp.


mike

Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
> Finally l've located one leather case that is fine for the N800: CP61
> for Nokia 9500.
>
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Re: N800 Leather Case

[Mike Klein]

I normally don't get into case/keybd discussions...however I did find a
fully in-case functional "case" (ahem) for N800.

Nice black leather? with white stitching and all ports/buttons are
visible. Case flap can even be flipped around to make it stand on desk
without resorting to freeing stand on n800 itself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Case-for-Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-BK-Fully-Pr_W0QQitemZ150139265641QQihZ005QQcategoryZ75432QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just search on nokie leather and black on ebay and you'll find them.
Sellers are prompt and product is quality.

I want cases to satisfy two requirements most of the time: ruggedizes
device AND allows in-case usage.

For when I'm fishing/kayaking I have a nice AquaPac and I bought a
neoprene neck strap/lanyard system...can boogie while I'm paddling so
it's quite effective...now I just need a2dp.


mike

Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
> Finally l've located one leather case that is fine for the N800: CP61
> for Nokia 9500.
>
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https client auth failing after firmware upgrade?

[Mike Klein]

I have a couple of clients certs imported signed by self-signed CA which
is also imported as trusted root.

My server shows client isn't returning a certificate. The imported certs
are trusted for web, email and wlan.

Since /var/log is empty I'm not sure where to check on nokia side.

Has this been reported or are others seeing this?
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Re: Issues with package installation and failed dependencies

[Mike Klein]

Marius Vollmer wrote:
> "ext Mike Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> I also tried installing a gstreamer plugins lib (said it was
>> installable) and it fails silently! Wtf?!? This is linux man. Error
>> msgs please. There are ZERO dep issues for this pkg and it just
>> fails.
>> 
>
> Error messages are in "Tools > Log".
>
>   
I actually tried cd /Tools/Log...sheesh.

Why is there no /var/log content for numerous builtin apps and
services...is this different filesys std with alternate?

So the error message produced by install of gstreamer plugin (w/v4l)
libs was nothing horrendous but "cannot overwrite
/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideoscale.so which is also in package camera.

Why would this be in itself a problem?
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Re: Anyone have success with j2me on n800? Using latest firmware...

[Mike Klein]

As Igor mentions below if you check "/etc/fstab" you will see noexec in
listed options. To remove is to be subject to other issues.

Change to different filesys is more appropriate (ntfs or native linux
format ext2/ext3). I don't think n800 supports ntfs though.

I'm sure forums have notes on formatting sd correctly for ext2.


mike

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I can't execute *anything* on mmc, if I copy it over to e.g. /home/user
> it runs happily :( Wondering what is that ...
>
> --jakub
>
>   
>> It may have something to do with the fact that MMC's are by 
>> default using the FAT filesystem.  If you don't use noexec, it 
>> assumes everything's exec (since there is no exec attribute in 
>> FAT), which makes files copied from MMC act weird and try to 
>> execute instead of opening, at least on a desktop linux machine.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> Mike Klein wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting...thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Curious why mmc would be setup this way though. I would think many 
>>> would want to install and run apps from the storage cards.
>>>
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> Igor Stoppa wrote:
>>>   
>>>> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 18:28 -0700, ext Mike Klein wrote:
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>>> Nokia-N800-26:/media/mmc2/j2me/bin# ./cvm -version
>>>>> -sh: ./cvm: Permission denied
>>>>> 
>>>>>   
>>>> Because you are running from the mmc, which is mounted with noexec, 
>>>> iirc
>>>>
>>>> 
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Re: Issues with package installation and failed dependencies

[Mike Klein]

Juha Kallioinen wrote:
> ext Mike Klein wrote:
>> How is it that a package can be marked "Installable" and yet not
>> install?
>>
>> With new firmware I cannot "cleanly" install unzip, wget...as these have
>> bizarre dependency issues.
>>
>> With wget I get dep failure of "wget-ssl" conflict...yet I have no wget
>> on N800 and from googling this appears to be a deprecated package.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I'm curious about the problem with wget. I tried to reproduce the
> problem by flashing the new firmware, adding repository.maemo.org to
> the application manager and activating red pill mode. After this, I
> was able to install wget without any problems. I then installed
> osso-xterm to try and test it, and it even seems to work.
>
> The version of wget in the repository is wget-1.10.2-2osso1.
>
> The details of wget say that it conflicts with wget-ssl, but that
> should only matter if you have wget-ssl installed.
>
> Cheers,
> Juha
>
I can't recall exact steps but I think it was following:

1. Unnecessarily backup to mmc1
2. flash new firmware
3. added back most apps (canola, streamtuner, ...)
4. go redpill and installed gainroot? I think I went rd and usbhost mode
here too
5. Started installing a few 'safe' pkgs like traceroute, etc. Then
noticed the wget issue.

I religiously check dependencies and avoid installing where there are
conflicts I can't resolve thru ui. I've avoided installing things I
don't understand completely (i.e. I don't just grab and install things
cause they're new or shiny).

I believe it would benefit most if addnl basic utils were put on device
(wget, traceroute, unzip)...I believe their profile is small enough that
it wouldn't affect most users. At least put all this basic stuff in a
single pkg. Most users won't need but ALL developers will.


mike

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Re: Issues with package installation and failed dependencies

[Mike Klein]

Excellent response...thanks.

I've been using N800 in 'user' mode mostly and am old rh user expecting
/var/logs, etc. I've wanted to see how far I can go without getting too
messy with n800 as I'm already deep in the doo doo with my PP3 and a few
other devices...don't want to be master of all.

On an unrelated note...hot damn is the n800 getting sexy. ROR,
Metasploit, skype, j2me, osgi, ...where will it end? Woohoo times are
getting fun.


mike

Marius Vollmer wrote:
> "ext Mike Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> How is it that a package can be marked "Installable" and yet not install?
>> 
>
> A package has status "Installable" when there are no dependency issues
> upfront (i.e., no missing packages and no unresolvable conflicts).  A
> package might still fail to install, tho: it might contain files that
> are also in some other package, or one of its maintainer scripts might
> fail (or you might run out of storage, etc).
>
>   
>> With new firmware I cannot "cleanly" install unzip, wget...as these have
>> bizarre dependency issues.
>>
>> With wget I get dep failure of "wget-ssl" conflict...yet I have no wget
>> on N800 and from googling this appears to be a deprecated package.
>> 
>
> The Application Manager is not smart at all when reporting conflicts.
> It might be that the AM picks out wget-ssl as the culprit although it
> is not installed.  This is probably technically correct, but not very
> helpful.  In general, if you have bizzare dependency issues, debugging
> them with the AM is going to be hard.  You pretty much have to dig
> into the issue using apt-cache, et al.  (I have plans to get more
> serious about reporting conflicts in the AM.)
>
> The idea is of course that the repositories don't contain bizarre
> dependency issues.  But with our bizarre repository landscape, bizarre
> dependencies are unfortunately to be expected.
>
>   
>> I also tried installing a gstreamer plugins lib (said it was
>> installable) and it fails silently! Wtf?!? This is linux man. Error
>> msgs please. There are ZERO dep issues for this pkg and it just
>> fails.
>> 
>
> Error messages are in "Tools > Log".
>
> Again, the idea is that the maintainer of a package (together with the
> maintainers of related packages) makes sure that it installs properly
> before it hits Joe Sixpack.  For Joe, "Unable to install foo" should
> just mean "Foo is broken, gaad dammit, let's try Bar."  He is not
> supposed to be able to do anything about it.
>
> Likewise with missing dependencies: In the normal world, getting a
> package that has a missing depencies means that the distribution you
> are using is broken and there is not much more you should do than file
> a bug and wait.  In the maemo world, people go on a package hunt to
> find the missing pieces somewhere in one of the million repositories.
> No wonder it gets messy.
>
>   
>> I am in redpill mode as I needed root access for a variety of apps.
>> 
>
> (Red-pill mode has nothing to do with root access.  It only controls
> what packages you see in the Application Manager.)
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Re: problems with themes and the new release.

[Mike Klein]

Haven't messed with themes...but absolutely ONLY issues I've seen with
new firmware are with new appslike skype.

I couldn't cancel a call in skype and it refused to nuke/respond.

Zero issues with wifi, etc.


mike

James Sparenberg wrote:
> All,
>
>   Has anyone else noticed that the new version refuses to allow you to add a 
> theme or if you do (like the plankton theme) it may corrupt your keyboard 
> etc.  Themes like Vista or Nuevo Black keep reporting that the installation 
> file is corrupted.  (but when I went back to the previous version they 
> installed fine) 
>
>   I've also noticed that it has some problems connecting and staying 
> connected 
> with my home/work/bookstore  wifi  even though I don't have a timeout set if 
> I stop using it to say read an article ... ti times out and disconnects.  I 
> checked my settings and I'm set to not time out.  (with previouos version 
> connectivity was easy to maintain.)
>
>   First flash I found that it couldn't connect through my phone (t-mobile 
> edge) as the connect attempt just went into an endless loop.  A re-install 
> brought this one. back.  
>
>   On the plus side.  flash 9  big thumbs up.  Skype will come in handy.  
> But more than anything ... flash 9 was the gas.
>
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Re: Anyone have success with j2me on n800? Using latest firmware...

[Mike Klein]

Interesting...thanks for your help.

Curious why mmc would be setup this way though. I would think many would
want to install and run apps from the storage cards.


mike

Igor Stoppa wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 18:28 -0700, ext Mike Klein wrote:
>   
>> Nokia-N800-26:/media/mmc2/j2me/bin# ./cvm -version
>> -sh: ./cvm: Permission denied
>> 
>
> Because you are running from the mmc, which is mounted with noexec, iirc
>
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Re: Issues with package installation and failed dependencies

[Mike Klein]

Ryan Pavlik wrote:
> Mike Klein wrote:
>> How is it that a package can be marked "Installable" and yet not
>> install?
>>
>> With new firmware I cannot "cleanly" install unzip, wget...as these have
>> bizarre dependency issues.
>>
>> With wget I get dep failure of "wget-ssl" conflict...yet I have no wget
>> on N800 and from googling this appears to be a deprecated package.
>>
>> I also tried installing a gstreamer plugins lib (said it was
>> installable) and it fails silently! Wtf?!? This is linux man. Error msgs
>> please. There are ZERO dep issues for this pkg and it just fails.
>>
>> I am in redpill mode as I needed root access for a variety of apps.
>>
>> I have searched some for these kinds of issues but guess I am using
>> wrong search terms.
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> mike
>>
>>   
> AFAIK red pill mode is application-manager only and used only to be
> able to install/uninstall/upgrade non-user packages.  If you need root
> and you can't/don't want to get it with sudo gainroot or the ssh
> method, you need to use the flasher to enable R&D mode, which is not
> the same as red pill. (at least on the n800)
>
> A common problem is not having the required repositories for
> dependencies - an install file can only add one repository, while a
> package may have dependencies in several repositories.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Ryan
>
Yes...red pill wasn't for root but for access to other pkgs I needed.

I'm not installing from maemo page using install links...this is using
app catalog that came with unit and merely switching to red pill. I
can't imagine unzip and wget are subject to dependency issues across
multiple repos.


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Issues with package installation and failed dependencies

[Mike Klein]

How is it that a package can be marked "Installable" and yet not install?

With new firmware I cannot "cleanly" install unzip, wget...as these have
bizarre dependency issues.

With wget I get dep failure of "wget-ssl" conflict...yet I have no wget
on N800 and from googling this appears to be a deprecated package.

I also tried installing a gstreamer plugins lib (said it was
installable) and it fails silently! Wtf?!? This is linux man. Error msgs
please. There are ZERO dep issues for this pkg and it just fails.

I am in redpill mode as I needed root access for a variety of apps.

I have searched some for these kinds of issues but guess I am using
wrong search terms.


thanks,

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Anyone have success with j2me on n800? Using latest firmware...

[Mike Klein]

Nokia-N800-26:/media/mmc2/j2me/bin# ./cvm -version
-sh: ./cvm: Permission denied
Nokia-N800-26:/media/mmc2/j2me/bin# ls /var/log
Nokia-N800-26:/media/mmc2/j2me/bin# ls -l
-rwxr-xr-x1 user root  3267865 May  4 09:16 cvm
Nokia-N800-26:/media/mmc2/j2me/bin# whoami
root
Nokia-N800-26:/media/mmc2/j2me/bin#

File is flagged as executable...I am root...why no run?

And while I'm here...why is /var/logs empty? What is alternative?


thanks,

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Re: Exporting Outlook contacts for Import into N800 Contacts App

[Mike Klein]

PIM is word I think you want here. PIM generally refers to "pda" with
contacts, tasks, etc.

PDA is a very generic term that  applies to damn near
anything digital with cpu: n800, pepperpad3, ipaq, etc.

Of course I haven't checked the wikipaedia!


mike
Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:
> It's not a PDA? Well, that sucks... :-)
>
> Nick.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Jonathan Greene
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; maemo-users
> Subject: Re: Exporting Outlook contacts for Import into N800 Contacts App
>
> I think they would say it's not a pda but an internet tablet ... I hear you!
>
> On 6/19/07, Acadia Secure Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> All
>>
>> I have tried exporting my Microsoft Outlook 2007 contacts in two
>> different file formats, .pst, and .csv for import into the N800 contacts
>> app.The app does not even recognize the .pst format and with the .csv
>> format it corrupts the imported information extensively. For example, it
>> ends up adding a large number of contacts "unnamed" with nothing in them.
>>
>> Has anyone else had success in exporting from Outlook into the N800
>> contacts app? If so, how did you do it?
>>
>> I would think that Nokia would have made sure that this export/import
>> process worked flawlessly given the popularity of Microsoft Outlook for
>> calendaring and contacts management so perhaps I have missed a step that
>> is not well documented in the Nokia documentation.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> John Holmblad
>>
>> Acadia Secure Networks
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Re: Exporting Outlook contacts for Import into N800 Contacts App

[Mike Klein]

PIM is word I think you want here. PIM generally refers to "pda" with
contacts, tasks, etc.

PDA is a very generic term that  applies to damn near
anything digital with cpu: n800, pepperpad3, ipaq, etc.

Of course I haven't checked the wikipaedia!


mike
Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:
> It's not a PDA? Well, that sucks... :-)
>
> Nick.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Jonathan Greene
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; maemo-users
> Subject: Re: Exporting Outlook contacts for Import into N800 Contacts App
>
> I think they would say it's not a pda but an internet tablet ... I hear you!
>
> On 6/19/07, Acadia Secure Networks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> All
>>
>> I have tried exporting my Microsoft Outlook 2007 contacts in two
>> different file formats, .pst, and .csv for import into the N800 contacts
>> app.The app does not even recognize the .pst format and with the .csv
>> format it corrupts the imported information extensively. For example, it
>> ends up adding a large number of contacts "unnamed" with nothing in them.
>>
>> Has anyone else had success in exporting from Outlook into the N800
>> contacts app? If so, how did you do it?
>>
>> I would think that Nokia would have made sure that this export/import
>> process worked flawlessly given the popularity of Microsoft Outlook for
>> calendaring and contacts management so perhaps I have missed a step that
>> is not well documented in the Nokia documentation.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> John Holmblad
>>
>> Acadia Secure Networks
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Re: Skype Update?

[Mike Klein]

Skype is too heavy for HTC Hermes (Cingular 8525) also.

I can do A2DP bluetooth with cellular voice calls but not VOIP
callsget choppy/static.

Do they need VOIP support in BT profiles?


mike

Alan Williamson wrote:
> Skype was scheduled for the N800 by Nokia.
>
> Google Talk -- well, it has no where near the number of users that Skype 
> has, and besides, why Pepsi instead of Coca-Cola?  All about choice.
>
> in all fairness GoogleTalk is no where near as slick and as good as 
> Skype, IMHO.  I have tried it, and had to leave it.  Not everything 
> Google touches is great!
>
>
> Wayne Fiori wrote:
>   
>> Skype is a little heavy for the N800. Besides, it's only taken Skype
>> two-three years to release an upgrade for Linux from version 1.3 to
>> 1.4. While the Windows world is using v 3.1.
>>
>> Why is Google Talk not sufficient?-- 
>> 
>
>
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>   "a wiki -and- a blog" @ http://www.Blog-City.com/
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Mike Klein]

As a lefty I must say this  was a bit of a peeve

But in reality you don't need "precision" to point a stylus and/or tap
keystrokesso I've switched rather than FIGHT.

Works well enough...although switching hands takes some getting used to.


mike (flashing back to green scissors in k'garten and getting spanked
for being lefty) klein


Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> Neil MacLeod wrote:
>> I think Nokia need to give more consideration to left-handed users -
>> lefties should consider class action suits against big corps citing
>> discrimination and access issues! :)
>
> Yes, someone in US please do sue them :-)
> I am left handed myself so my opinion is of course very strong on
> this. I was really quite shocked that after N770 they actually dared
> to design second device with all butons on left side again. Simply
> unbelievable to me.
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Nokia Internet Tablet as Pennnetration Testing Device

[Mike Klein]

I think the 770/800 ARE pdas (in pocket pc form factor). A pda is a
pocketable (generally) computer. The term PDA could also apply to umpc
possibly.

>From wikipedia...

Personal digital assistant
, an electronic
device which can include some of the functionality of a computer, /a
cellphone/, a music player and a camera

Also from wikipedia:

The *Ultra-Mobile PC* (abbreviated *UMPC*), previously known by its
codename *Project Origami*, is a specification for a small form factor
 tablet PC
.

I consider the PepperPad3 and Samung Q1 umpcs.

I generally categorize devices not by PIM/pda terms...but by their size
("pocket pc", "umpc"). I consider the "blown out" digital phones to be
merely pocket pc's but with cellular capability. The term "smartphone"
has been applied to this.


mike

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just saw this posted on Slashdot a bit aog:
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19
>
> Of course, they mis-characterize the 770 as a PDA, but the usage and 
> development is interesting.  Seems like a nice business to upsell the $350 
> Nokia tablet for $3000.
>
> K
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets

[Mike Klein]

Toshiba was able to cram multiple forms of cellular into their toughbook
series...all mini-pci .

There was a new ultra-rugged military-grade umpc recently announced
(hi-vol sales only...$5K!!!) that had multiple forms of radios.

What happened to those software-programmable radios man?

So folks...when the OpenMoko linux phone (large touchscreen display...I
think)...is released...will they sell well? I think so. Form factor is
so close to N800...and so many parts redundant (speaker, mic, bt, etc,
etc.)...

Well folks...time for me to end thread...I've ridden this horse long
enough and need to get off...


thanks all...

mike

Neil MacLeod wrote:
> Mike Klein wrote:
>>
> I'm in the "no built-in cellular" camp - for me, this was a smart move
> as I can use the N800 with whatever phone I have now (GSM/GPRS) and
> with whatever phone I get with my next upgrade (almost certainly a
> GSM/HSDPA phone).
>
> Nokia probably took a look at the data plans offered by most network
> providers around the world, saw things were bad (ie. charging the
> Earth per megabyte with all sorts of usage restrictions - no voip etc.
> - and transfer caps) and decided the World simply isn't ready for mass
> consumer internet on the move over mobile networks. In which case, why
> bother complicating the N800 with this potentially unnecessary
> hardware? And aside from business users, few people will have
> data-only SIMs when they can just as easily use their mobile phone
> over Bluetooth.
>
> Also, by adding cellular hardware the Internet Tablet suddenly becomes
> regionalised - CDMA for USA/Korea, GSM for the rest of the world, not
> to mention all the HDSPA/EDGE/EVDO/Whatever high-speed variants.
> Different hardware and possibly different firmware for each region -
> nice!
>
> Summary: No phone hardware == Master stroke
>
> :)
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets

[Mike Klein]

I have been holding off on 3G data plan due to horrific costs and
questions about availability/robustness.

Cingular's plan is like $80/mo for all you can eat. Given there are
comments regarding voice calls dropping when data is incoming and vice
versa...I'll be a late adopter thanks.

In S.F. there are supposedly multiple forms of 3gbut none of them
work any significant length down 280 freeway...another deal-breaker for me.

Additionally there is no coverage where my 2nd home is. The thought of
going to cellular  for voice and data (no dsl/cable for isp)
is somewhat appealing. I have even considered a 3g/cellular
repeater/antenna installed on my house (>$500 generally).

I recently dropped newspaper subscriptions due to owning PepperPad3 and
being quite pleased with streaming/reading capabilities...and am looking
to drop cable tv ($70/mo) when Netflix's streaming service comes of age.


mike

Acadia Secure Networks wrote:
> Michael,
>
> in the U.S. all three of Cingular (HSDPA), Verizon (EVDO), and Sprint
> (EVDO) have deployed broadband mobile wireless services with a
> national footprint that, if Sprint's vision is correct will become, in
> Sprint's case,  a stepping stone to full WIMAX deployment a few years
> down the road.
>
> Nokia is, in fact working with Sprint in the area of WIMAX and  and I
> would be very surprised if Nokia are not considering to put WIMAX into
> a future version of the N800 or something close to it. 
>
> I happen to use Verizon's EVDO service and it is very good in terms of
> bandwidth and U.S. geographic footprint. It supports VOIP
> satisfactorily and it is being upgraded to higher (Rev. A)
> performance, as is Sprints EVDO network.
>
> I have managed to test out how the wireless "tethering" of the N800 to
> the Verizon EVDO service via a Verizon handset using bluetooth works
> but it would be much nicer if I could "lose" the handset and use a
> future version of the N800 with EVDO and eventually WIMAX in its place.
>
> I actually think that the biggest impediment to such a scenario is not
> so much the need to jam another radio into the N800 form factor as it
> is the fact that Windows Mobile proves to be much more useful in the
> corporate world (which is where most of the money to purchase these
> high end handsets comes from) than a N800.  If the Nokia product
> cannot meet the same application needs then it will not be competitive
> in this market segment.
>
> Although they are expensive, several handset manufacturers, and, in
> particular, HTC and its reseller UTStarcom, have produced multi radio
> handsets (EVDO/802.11/CDMA/Bluetooth/IR) that are quite compact,
> albeit power-hungry, especially with 802.11 turned on.  Here is the
> url to one such product available for both the Sprint and the Verizon
> Networks in the U.S.:
>
>   
> http://www.utstar.com/pcd/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=PPC6700&sAct=0
>
> Most of these high end handsets run Windows Mobile 5.0 but it would be
> nice for Nokia to provide some competition in this segment by adding,
> for the US market, a CDMA/EVDO radio or GSM/HSDPA chipset to a future
> version of the N800 product.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>  
>
> John Holmblad
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 2/6/07, Zoran Kolic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote:
>>> > 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in.
>>> Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason.
>>
>> Sarcasm aside, Zoran has a very good point. Putting cellular
>> capability on the IT would be as appropriate as putting it on a
>> washing machine. While it would be great to be able to talk to someone
>> while doing laundry, it is not really the purpose of the machine.
>>
>> I wouldn't have bought a 770 or a N800 if it had a GSM/3G/Super-duper
>> next-gen phone built in.
>>
>> Reasons:
>> - It would add $100 to the cost
>> - It would be a purchase that keeps on costing a monthly fee and cost
>> even more when using it traveling
>> - I already have a bare-bones cell phone that makes calls just fine
>> ... most people have
>> - It would tie it to region/plan that would be difficult to transfer
>> out of
>> - It would tie it to some specific technology that doesn't have the
>> longevity/compatibility of wifi/BT
>> - It would consume a great deal more power
>>
>> I think these ITs make a good break from legacy tech like cellular and
>> leave that crowded market to other models.
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets

[Mike Klein]

Michael Wiktowy wrote:
> On 2/6/07, Zoran Kolic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote:
>> > 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in.
>> Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason.
>
> Sarcasm aside, Zoran has a very good point. Putting cellular
> capability on the IT would be as appropriate as putting it on a
> washing machine. While it would be great to be able to talk to someone
> while doing laundry, it is not really the purpose of the machine.
>
Sarcasm aside?!?...and you back up the washing machine quote?? Sigh...

I'll bet you $100 american  that it comes to the N800...prob' by next
year. Openmoko and other open source linux phones are arriving...
> I wouldn't have bought a 770 or a N800 if it had a GSM/3G/Super-duper
> next-gen phone built in.
>
You might not but I think many would. My ipaq 4700 cost $650 and they
flew out the door. Zero cellular.

N800 + cellular = $500...a deal to me.
> Reasons:
> - It would add $100 to the cost
> - It would be a purchase that keeps on costing a monthly fee and cost
> even more when using it traveling
So does your phone. Swap the sim from your phone to your N800done.
> - I already have a bare-bones cell phone that makes calls just fine
> ... most people have
Bare bones cell phones don't generally have BT. Addnly verizon phones
have crippled BT.
> - It would tie it to region/plan that would be difficult to transfer
> out of
> - It would tie it to some specific technology that doesn't have the
> longevity/compatibility of wifi/BT
> - It would consume a great deal more power
>
Unlike perhaps many on forums...battery life isn't the biggest deal for
me. I'm content to have 1 or 2 extra battery packs around. If I had a
FULLY loaded N800...I'd be content with 2 hour battery life. Can plug
into my car for charging or use the packs.

I'm rarely climbing the himalayas and without power sources.
> I think these ITs make a good break from legacy tech like cellular and
> leave that crowded market to other models.
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Re: [maemo-users] Any luck with vpnc?

[Mike Klein]

Good for you...I think you'll be quite pleased with DD-WRT stability and
functionality.

I can't tell you what a pain it was troubleshooting wifi issues all the
time...the stuff should just work dammit...and now it does!


mike

Richard Pickler wrote:
> Actually, after researching the issue last night, I wound up buying
> the buffalo router with the exact same intention.  Hopefully it works,
> this was a big part of what I want to do with this device.  (I really
> need to write up a description and pass it by you all.  It's a rather
> obscure, but fun use).
>
> On 2/5/07, *Mike Klein* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> I never had a router that worked perfectly with all my wifi
> devices...until I bought the Linksys WRT54GL ($60 on amazon) and
> reflashed with DD-WRT linux distro.
>
> It supports ipsec (passthru only) in addition to vpn technologies
> like
> openvpn and pptp. Also supports ssh, etc.
>
>
>
> mike
>
> Richard Pickler wrote:
> > I spent the weekend tweaking vpnc and my home router (Trendnet
> > tw100-brv204, which apparently does support IPSec), and had
> absolutely
> > no luck.  It doesn't help that I'm a newbie to this, but I can't get
> > past this error message that says "BAD_PROPOSAL_SYNTAX".  I could be
> > convinced to buy a new router, so has anybody had any luck with the
> > nokia 800, vpnc, cable internet service, and some sort of home
> > router?  What works for you all?
> >
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets

[Mike Klein]

Depending upon device and it's features/quality...I could go either
"dedicated device" route or convergence all-in-one route.

Knock with "all-in-one" devices (like stereos) is you often get crap you
don't want and solution is watered downvalid points.

I thought at one time that my eensy-teensy T68i BT phone was ideal
"conduit" for my PDAs/tablets/etc. for connectivity purposes.

But you know what? I can't deal with a phone the size of a chiclet. I
have "piano" fingers and still can't reliably press those little buttons.

I recently purchased the "Freedom BT mini-keyboard"big mistake.
Finger ergonomics and keycodes available are pathetic. Holding keyboard
dongle while also holding/balancing N800 will be a trick.

I'm willing to defer my last 2 points for next-gen model...at least
there are workarounds. But fact that N800 won't reliably play most
videos...and at resolution of device...is a big problem for me. Software
and hardware on device s/be in sync w/each other.

The nokia N80 phone supports upnp (as do other models I think)...but
given N800 support for video...I can't imagine N80 being any better.

Phone? PDA? All the same to me...I'm just looking for features.


mike

Jonathan Matthews-Levine wrote:
> On 2/6/07, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Tobacco...buy it at your corner store. Next year when Nokia releases
>> next model w/3G we can discuss further.
>
> Over my dead 770 ... :-)
>
>> Dude...you just don't understand. There are two models which are equally
>> valid...each device to it's own and the convergence model. People want
>> both...not everybody wants to wear a "geek" jacket with pockets for
>> their iPod, phone and N800.
>
> You ... you've been SPYING on me?!?? ;-)
>
> I agree, though - there /are/ two models.  I think that Nokia's
> addressing the "convergence-luvvas" quite nicely with their (much much
> much more numerous) smart phone offerings.  The N800, however, is a
> deliberate step to the other end of the spectrum - single device,
> single purpose (where purpose=="Internet", not "www", "IM", or
> "VOIP".)
>
>> Why should I carry around 2 devices of roughly same form factor?!?
>
> You shouldn't.
>
> In my idealised PAN-filled future, your "phone" doesn't have the same
> form factor as today; it's merely a voice/audio conduit, attaching
> itself wirelessly to the "connectivity cube" that talks
> wifi/BT/3G/GPRS/etc and is the gateway router out of your PAN.
>
>> Why
>> should I deal with the BT-pairing/bonding crap involved with two
>> different devices?
>
> *More* than two ...
> ... but only once each :-)
>
>> Have you ever been jamming to tunes on your ipaq/pod
>> and a call came in? It is an often unelegant scramble to answer the
>> phone on your headset.
>
> Not personally, no.
> Maybe I need more friends ... :-(
>
>> Every high-end umpc or ppc form factor has cellular as option...larger
>> tablets...umpcs...and ppc devices like treo/etc.
>>
>> You state: "I don't *want* convergence...I don't *want* a browser on my
>> phone"
>>
>> But guess what? Many people DO want convergence...phones are getting
>> crammed with PIM/web features and screen sizes are shooting upand
>> conversely pocket pcs/etc. are getting cellular capability.
>
> Cool - let them buy the N93 or other such devices. *I've* got the 770
> and N800 ... :-)
>
>> It's a computer...not a phone.
>
> Absolutely.  Why, therefore, should it have dedicated cellular phone
> hardware in it?
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets

[Mike Klein]

Brian Waite wrote:
> I do not intend this as a flame, but you chose the wrong device. 
> You want a laptop/tablet PC and you'll have to pay for it in both size and 
> cost. Just putting together a package like the N800.770 is is a feat. Look at 
> UMPCs and see what you can find, but I'd challenge you to find one that will 
> do what you want for twice the price of the N800.
>
>   
My iPAQ hx4700 doesn't require re-encoding video...and I can play at
resolutions that match device capabilities. It cost me $600 several
years ago. Very powerful Intel Bulverde cpu.

My Pepper Pad 3 (cost $600?) streams 95% of formats I want (except
realplayer w/auth and certain newer flash) and has ended up being the
more versatile device for me...whether at home or in car or at work and
in meetings.

> On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote:
>   
>>> The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets.  It's a
>>> long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision.
>>>
>>> With BT headsets, these would be THE internet devices.
>>>
>>> sean
>>>   
>> Correction...single worst problem is that N800 doesn't  have
>> enough cpu to stream videos cleanly. This issue can't be fixed 
>> by a better driver. Re-encoding stuff sucks.
>> 
> N800 is getting close, but to stream video (that people don't adequately 
> encode) you really need power. Power == CPU speed (DSP) == Power consumption 
> == BIgger battery.
>   
My hx4700 ipaq and PP3 batteries last long enough for me...and both
stream large format huge file size mpegs/etc.

>> 2nd is no builtin keyboard of any kind. Handheld bt keyboards suck.
>> 
> This is an internet tablet. Browsing/reading email does not really need a 
> keyboard. A keyboard makes this already a bit to large device, way to large 
> to fit in a pocket.
>
>   
I feel you are presenting too simplistic a usage scenario...yeah 60% of
the time I'm just clicking...but opening an xterm to do linux stuff or
entering data into any web form is a pain in the arse. If I'm using the
N800 to check email (valid, right?)...do I not reply to things I'm
reading? Same goes for IM. Cmon man...every other device now has builtin
retractable or other kind of keyboard. PP3 did it right with backlit
keypad...which you can get quite proficient with.

I find the N800 screen soft like pudding, too easily scratchable
w/stylus and quite fond of misrecognition of keystrokes...notice how it
beeps even when a keypress isn't recognized? It's a real pain to type in
any kind of data.

With my PP3 I have builtin keypad...with my iPAQ I have snap-on keyboard
which integrates fairly well into cases/etc.
>> 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in.
>>
>> 
> By far the best choice! 
> Why? Well adding cell support jumps the cost up probably another $100 US. and 
> secondly this puts pressure on the cell market. Right now there is no 
> competition. I know wifi is still not ubiquitous, and the N800 does not 
> replace the cell phone, but it adds some pressure that will keep growing. 
> Maybe cell cos will start dropipping prices/adding features to stay 
> competitive. 
> 
>
>   
Money isn't the issue for me...we're all geeks spending boatloads of
money on this technology. I am more than willing to spend extra $$$ for
cpu, disk, 3g, etc. I just want it "open" (as much as possible) and WORKING.

> Again, this is not a flame. I am just expressing the fact that your 3 major 
> drawbacks to the device are the 3 most interesting features for me. (well I 
> would like more CPU power, but who doesn't).
> I do look forward to BT headsets tho! I hate the wire to my head when 
> listening to music. It is the last wire ! 
>
>
> Thanks
> Brian
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets

[Mike Klein]

Zoran Kolic wrote:
>> Correction...single worst problem is that N800 doesn't  have
>> enough cpu to stream videos cleanly. This issue can't be fixed 
>> by a better driver. Re-encoding stuff sucks.
>> 
>
> More cpu, more power consumption. Buy desktop.
>
>   
Actually no...buy a Pepper Pad 3. It's small enough to carry between
home/car/work. N800 is minimal fill-in for situations other than these
three.

My PP3 mounted on my car dash is a far superior car computer than N800.
Better display, more rugged, etc.
>> 2nd is no builtin keyboard of any kind. Handheld bt keyboards suck.
>> 
>
> Laptop has it.
>
>   
>> 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in.
>> 
>
> Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason.
>
> Zoran
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets

[Mike Klein]

Tobacco...buy it at your corner store. Next year when Nokia releases
next model w/3G we can discuss further.

Dude...you just don't understand. There are two models which are equally
valid...each device to it's own and the convergence model. People want
both...not everybody wants to wear a "geek" jacket with pockets for
their iPod, phone and N800.

Why should I carry around 2 devices of roughly same form factor?!? Why
should I deal with the BT-pairing/bonding crap involved with two
different devices? Have you ever been jamming to tunes on your ipaq/pod
and a call came in? It is an often unelegant scramble to answer the
phone on your headset.

Every high-end umpc or ppc form factor has cellular as option...larger
tablets...umpcs...and ppc devices like treo/etc.

You state: "I don't *want* convergence...I don't *want* a browser on my
phone"

But guess what? Many people DO want convergence...phones are getting
crammed with PIM/web features and screen sizes are shooting upand
conversely pocket pcs/etc. are getting cellular capability.

It's a computer...not a phone.



mike


Jonathan Matthews-Levine wrote:
> On 2/6/07, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snipped]
>> 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in.
>
> You. Must. Be. Kidding.
>
> Seriously - WTF are you smoking?  And can I have some?
>
> The /lack/ of built-in cellular capability leads to less complexity,
> telco control and the frankly *brilliant* property that when I upgrade
> my phone (which I'm always going to carry, anyway - it's not large)
> from GPRS->3G or 3G->HSDPA my 770/800 instantly gets the extra
> bandwidth.
>
> It's also (along with the Seagate D.A.V.E and that other
> Bluetooth/wifi hard drive that I can't remember the name of) the start
> of the /proper/ use of Bluetooth to create a /real/ Personal Area
> Network where your data is on a small brick in your bag, your
> "connectivity cube" (talking wifi, wimax and 3G) is in your pocket,
> your voice headset sits in $ORIFICE (suggestion: ear) and it's all
> tied together over Bluetooth or its successor.
>
> I don't *want* convergence: I want quality devices doing their
> individual jobs, with no duplication of function.
>
> I don't *want* a browser on my phone: I want it on my 770/800!  Ditto
> IM clients, VOIP (which shouldn't, in my ideal PAN-filled world, live
> on the 770/800) and video players.
>
> Nokia: if you could have all this working by - let's say - 1Q2008, I'd
> be grateful.  Q2 would be acceptable, however ...
>
> Ta.
> Jonathan

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets

[Mike Klein]

>
> The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets.  It's a
> long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision.
>
> With BT headsets, these would be THE internet devices.
>
> sean
>
Correction...single worst problem is that N800 doesn't  have
enough cpu to stream videos cleanly. This issue can't be fixed 
by a better driver. Re-encoding stuff sucks.

2nd is no builtin keyboard of any kind. Handheld bt keyboards suck.

3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in.

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Re: [maemo-users] Any luck with vpnc?

[Mike Klein]

I never had a router that worked perfectly with all my wifi
devices...until I bought the Linksys WRT54GL ($60 on amazon) and
reflashed with DD-WRT linux distro.

It supports ipsec (passthru only) in addition to vpn technologies like
openvpn and pptp. Also supports ssh, etc.



mike

Richard Pickler wrote:
> I spent the weekend tweaking vpnc and my home router (Trendnet
> tw100-brv204, which apparently does support IPSec), and had absolutely
> no luck.  It doesn't help that I'm a newbie to this, but I can't get
> past this error message that says "BAD_PROPOSAL_SYNTAX".  I could be
> convinced to buy a new router, so has anybody had any luck with the
> nokia 800, vpnc, cable internet service, and some sort of home
> router?  What works for you all?
> 
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Re: [maemo-users] Bible Software for N800?

[Mike Klein]

open source bible software? an oxymoron if I ever heard one...


Darren Enns wrote:
> Although I would be skeptical of any commercial Bible software products
> becoming available for the N770/N800, anybody have any thoughts on the
> chances of 'open source' ones?  Sure, one could (for example) use online
> Bible sites to lookup passages, use tools, etc., I am wondering about
> tools that could be used offline.  I have done tonnes of Google searches
> for ideas, but no luck.
>
> I think the program with the best chance of being ported is 'GnomeSword'
> (http://gnomesword.sourceforge.net/).
>
> Thanks
>
> Dare
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Re: [maemo-users] Warranty void with third party software!?!?

[Mike Klein]

PepperPad is the same way...but then again Pepper provides much more
seamless outofbox experience where user isn't as compelled to start
installing tons of extra stuff. If you mess around under the hood and
break PepperPad...you are responsible. This makes sense.

With N800 if you don't start adding tons of stuff like crazy...you
basically have an unusable product except for audio streaming and
picture viewing...people want more than this...hence they are compelled
to go install crazy.

If you "think" you know enough to tinker around under the hood and end
up breaking things...you could always reflash. Same as working under
hood of your car and you aren't a mechanic.


mike

John P. Mitchell wrote:
> All,
>
> I have gotten the impression that my warranty could now be void
> due to my installing third party non-Nokia software on my tablet. This
> can not be true, and if so, I will be looking to return my tablet. I
> purchased it purely for the freedom to develop that Linux gives me. If
> I loose my ability to recover loss due to defective hardware I will be
> quite dismayed and will probably never buy Nokia again. Someone please
> tell me promptly that this is not the case. This feels like someone
> telling me that if I remove Windows from my PC and install Linux I
> have voided my warranty, which is pure garbage.
>
> -- 
> John P. Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: [maemo-users] Built-in Media Player is also a UPnP streamer?

[Mike Klein]

True...it just works...but it doesn't work all that well.

I found that >80% of my vids won't play...larger mpegs, etc.

There is way too much talk about re-encoding in this forum...this is a
battle I'd rather not fight.

Audio and pictures were just fine though.


mike

Jonathan Greene wrote:
> I just discovered that the built-in Media Player app can view, and
> play connect from a UPnP server on your network.  Just playing around
> and saw that I could browse two different servers I've been testing
> (Twonky and EyeConnect).  While navigation is slower than the
> MediaStreamer application, it's pretty cool to know it's in there and
> just works.
>
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Usage

[Mike Klein]

Why do you associate PDA w/necessarily having or not a PIM?

PDA (to me) means same thing as palmtop. I look at N800 as
PDA/palmtop...not UMPC/tablet.

My iPAQ 4700 "pda" can do everything the N800 can do and more (at this
point anyways). ssh, rdesktop, vnc, etc. I sure don't consider it a
laptop replacement though...neither do I the N800.

There are devices for your wrist (wach), for your hand (pocket pc, pda,
palmtop) and larger for your hand (umpc, tablet pc).



mike

James Sparenberg wrote:
> All,
>
>Just so I can see how my usage patterns and view of the 770/n800 mesh with 
> the community I'd be curious to know if I'm alone in the way I treat my noki. 
>  
> It is to me a palmtop not a PDA.  I use it to increase my mobility and 
> decrease my load, carrying it instead of a laptop.  
>
>To me my 770 is a laptop replacement.  I'm in charge of multiple data 
> centers and it's a joy not having to lug a laptop out to dinner etc, in case 
> I get an emergency call.  
>
>   However I get the feeling most here see it as either a PDA (like a palm) or 
> as a multimedia device (ala windows mobile or an iPhone).  Forgive me, I'm 
> accustomed to thinking in use cases I guess.   For me the #1 app is 
> osso-xterm and what I miss the most is ping.  
>
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Re: [maemo-users] N800 screen protector

[Mike Klein]

Jonathan Matthews-Levine wrote:
> On 1/26/07, Mike Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've never needed screen protection for my stylus5yrs on my ipaq and
>> display is just as good as my N800 after 2 weeks of usage.
>>
>> I guess I'll have to examine my stylus with a microscope or magnifying
>> glass.
>>
>> CompUSA guy threw in free 1yr replacement policy...so I'll guess I'll be
>> activating it shortly.
>
> Mike -
>
> Did you remove the initial protector that it came shipped with?  Or
> are you perhaps still using it?
>
> I've noticed lots of scratches (that are most visible with a dark
> screen) since receiving and using it today that leads me to believe
> that - like Karoliina said - it's *only* protection against shipping
> damage, and is not meant to be used long term.  I've had a (badly cut)
> protector on the 770 since buying it in Dec '05 and wouldn't /dream/
> of not having /something/ covering that lovely screen ... :-)
>
> All the best,
> Jonathan
Yes initial protection was removed. N800 screen feels like pudding it's
so soft though.

The thing is...I don't need protection on my other devices...N800
display seems different.
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Re: [maemo-users] N800 screen protector

[Mike Klein]

I've never needed screen protection for my stylus5yrs on my ipaq and
display is just as good as my N800 after 2 weeks of usage.

I guess I'll have to examine my stylus with a microscope or magnifying
glass.

CompUSA guy threw in free 1yr replacement policy...so I'll guess I'll be
activating it shortly.



Laurent MARTIN wrote:
>> N800 display seems to suffer from "scratch syndrome" something
>> fierce...anybody else seen this?
> Are you saying that you're not using any screen protection at all? You
> shoud! I've one on all of my devices: N800, N770, Treo, digital
> camera, ... It helps, trust me, it helps!
> --Laurent, Nantes - France
> Apple PowerBook 12"
> Treo 650 (unlocked GSM)
> Nokia Interner Table N800
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Re: [maemo-users] N800 screen protector

[Mike Klein]

N800 display seems to suffer from "scratch syndrome" something
fierce...anybody else seen this?

I have 4yr old ipaq that is less fubar than my n800 after only a couple
of weeks of use...no I don't put it in my pocket with keys, etc.

It is always in its sleeve when I'm not holding itscratchy stylus
perhaps? Display surface seems extremely "soft".

My display looks like hell and I'm a little miffed...at least PepperPad3
has more hard-core screen that seems more scratch resistant.


mike

Laurent MARTIN wrote:
> Thank you very much for your answer: the *real* screen protector for
> my brand new N800 has just arrived by postmail, so I'm going to
> replace the stock film protection soon!
> Laurent.
>
> On 26 janv. 07, at 17:17, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This film on top of screen is supposed to be removed, it is like you
>> have
>> all screens, including monitors when you buy them, and it is not
>> supposed to be left there.
>> I kept mine sometime on there until it got scatched.
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>> Karoliina
>
> --Laurent, Nantes - France
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> Treo 650 (unlocked GSM)
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Re: [maemo-users] Maemo Mapper 1.3.4

[Mike Klein]

I think there is kind of a pkg dependency hell going on. I think
repository metadata may need some cleanup.

On my unit I only have to nokia repositories listed and maemo.org for
bora only.

Yet like > 60% of the packages I wish to install require either python
2.4 (I'm on 2.5) or like btfilexfer requires older version of
libbluetooth1 (I have libbluetooth2).

It's kind of a paint to figure out what you can install and not.


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Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:
>
> I went to the Maemo Product Catalog and selected IT OS 2007.  There I
> found Maemo Mapper for IT OS 2007.  I downloaded it and tried to
> install it through the Application Manager.  The error message I get
> is, “Unable to install.  Application package is incompatible with
> current software.”  I have the latest OS update.  Does anyone have any
> thoughts as to why this isn’t installing or maybe I should be asking
> if anyone with the N800 has been successful getting Maemo Mapper to
> install.
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
> Nick Shaw
>
>  
>
> 
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Re: [maemo-users] Video on N800

[Mike Klein]

I found that the majority of videos I want to play...regardless of
format...stream poorly on my 800. My PepperPad3 has no problems with
these format...but it would seem only VERY specially crafted videos play
smoothly.

Perhaps we need code customized to video chip...but given notorious
issues around device drivers and linux...how long will we be waiting for
this?


mike

Humberto Ortiz Zuazaga wrote:
> I've been testing video playback on the N800. It's much improved over
> the 770.
>
> The native media player can play video encoded at very high rates,
> unlike the old video player on the 700.
>
> I've played back 400x240 @ 30 fps mpeg4 encoded at 1000 kbps with
> Handbreak.
>
> mplayer doesn't seem to work for these videos, but did play back QCIF
> sized videos I had set up for the 770. mplayer complains it cant find
> the 770 hardware and falls back to xvideo.
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Re: [maemo-users] any SD based GSM/CDMA modems existant ?

[Mike Klein]

I don't think SDIO is very practical on 'embedded' storage cardsno
place for antenna.


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Anuj Verma (Kevin) wrote:
> Hello list, 
>
> I'll love to know if someone ever came across any SD slot based GSM/CDMA
> modems ? 
>
> I'll be interested to explore them further if provided any hint. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Kevin
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Re: [maemo-users] Mounting more than one card via USB?

[Mike Klein]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Is it possible?
>>
>> I've got a 2GB RS-MMC internal which mounts and a 1GB SD card 
>> in the bottom slot, but only the internal storage shows up 
>> when I connect through USB... I have to eject the SD and use a 
>> card reader in order to shoot stuff back and forth.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JG
>> 
>
> Hi,
>
> Should show both of them (if they are VFAT of course). I have had some
> problem with my 2GB card which on contrary showed on Windows and Ubuntu
> just fine but would not show on N800. I had to re-format it.
>
> When you connect N800 to a PC, do both of the memory cards get "diabled"
> in the File Manager?
>
> Br,
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Python installation failure on N800

[Mike Klein]

Google on "red pill" mode for nokia device and enable it. This will give
you access to extra pkgs not for joe-consumer.

Repositories have been down for me since early last night.


mike

Robson, Alan wrote:
> I tried to install python 2.5 for OS2007 via the maemo website but my
> N800 tells me that it is unable to install because some packages
> required for the installation are missing.
>  
> libglade2-0(>=1.2.3.6)
> libsdl-ttf2.0-0
> libsdl-ttf2.0-0   (yes, that really does appear twice !)
> libgdbm3
>  
> I must have got one of the first N800s, I bought it on the day they
> were launched at CES. By any chance do I have an outdated version of
> OS2007 ?
>  
> Is it reasonable to expect to be able to just click the 'Click here to
> install' button in the maemo application search engine and have it
> install ?
>  
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: n800 apps?

[Mike Klein]

I believe there are examples of capturing video in python and c on maemo
wiki/web somewhere, no?

I know in time with Nokia's support unit will have apps it needs...or
rather hope. Maemo kind of competes with work done by
handhelds.orgwhich is taking more traditional desktop
approach/metaphor. Enough people have to buy device for people to write
apps but with no initial apps to speak of not many will buy device.

I'm sure many people buying unit have no idea it's kinda empty
software-wise for now...not complaining...just stating facts.


mike

Juha Kuikka wrote:
> I found that load-applet
> (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/) runs fine on N800. As
> for capturing webcam's video: I do not know. But if Xvideo is being
> used (I read somewhere that N800 does support it) it might not work as
> it is an overlay.
>
>  - Juha
>
> On 1/20/07, *Thomas Armagost* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
>
> Is there a screen capture program that runs on the n800?  Could it
> capture a screenshot of the webcam's video?  Is this maybe a kludge?
> All I want is a still snapshot.
>
> I just bought an n800 a few hours ago at the CompUSA in Rancho
> Cucamonga, California.  I've been interested in Linux PDAs since the
> year 2000, but I've never owned one until now.  I'm not a hacker, I'm
> a doodler.  Today I learned that sketch can't read image files unless
> they look like this:
>
>xxx.sketch.png
>bozo.sketch.png
>two2.sketch.png
>
> And so forth.
>
> I imported an image file from my Mac mini via USB and suckered sketch
>     into opening it.
>
> There's definitely room for improvement.
>
> In http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2007-January/002803.html
> Mike Klein wrote:
>
> > It's kind of a developer's device for the moment. Not marketed as
> > such...but true none the less.
> >
> > Mail seems like an abomination...ditto for a/v chat...however this
> > one kinda reflects industry fragmentation regarding voip protocols.
> >
> > I believe Skype will be coming to N800 soon. This is getting to be
> > large voip 'playground'...so quite useful.
> >
> > A device that comes with camera and no app out of box to use
> > it...is definitely immature...but with time much is possible.
> >
> > mike
> >
> > Jonathan Greene wrote:
> >> I just found that google calendar works on the N800 which is
> >> awesome as it never really worked for me on the 770.   I am
> >> using the factory OS version and apparently need to update to
> >> a later version ...
> >> Anyone get the n800 flashed via Mac yet using the flasher app?
>
> This is for the 770 but could possibly work with the n800...
>
> http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithMacOSX
>
> Please post a followup if you succeed at flashing the n800 via Mac.
>
> >> Where Where are the rest of the apps that run on IT2007?  The
> >> application catalog is pretty sparse...  I know it's new but a few
> >> more would be nice.
>
> Applications for IT2006 that have been tested to run on IT2007...
>
> http://maemo.org/maemowiki/OS2007_Tested_Applications
>
> And a few that don't run (yet) on IT2007.  Namely Tuner, Ogg Vorbis
> Player, MPlayer and Xournal.
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Re: [maemo-users] n800 apps?

[Mike Klein]

It's kind of a developer's device for the moment. Not marketed as
such...but true none the less.

Mail seems like an abomination...ditto for a/v chat...however this one
kinda reflects industry fragmentation regarding voip protocols.

I believe Skype will be coming to N800 soon. This is getting to be large
voip 'playground'...so quite useful.

A device that comes with camera and no app out of box to use it...is
definitely immature...but with time much is possible.


mike

Jonathan Greene wrote:
> I just found that google calendar works on the N800 which is awesome
> as it never really worked for me on the 770.   I am using the factory
> OS version and apparently need to update to a later version ... Anyone
> get the n800 flashed via Mac yet using the flasher app?
>
> Where Where are the rest of the apps that run on IT2007?  The
> application catalog is pretty sparse...  I know it's new but a few
> more would be nice.
> are the rest of the apps that run on IT2007?  The application catlog
> is pretty sparse...  I know it's new but a few more would be nice.
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Re: [maemo-users] Striped Screen of Death?

[Mike Klein]

Doesn't Nokia provide a means of re-flashing the device? Or do you need
SDK installed for this?


mike

Jonathan Greene wrote:
> thanks - guess I need to make the call then.  I was hoping there was
> some sort of fix we could run from a computer
>
> On 1/19/07, Ron Harwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 15:10 -0500, Jonathan Greene wrote:
>> >
>> http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/01/19/is-my-nokia-770-down-for-the-count
>>
>> >
>> > Is this it for the N770?  It had a reasonably full charge and ran out
>> > of memory... I shut things down and then shut it off hoping to clear
>> > things with a nice restart ... the picture in my post sums it up.
>> >
>> > Has this happened to anyone and is there any way to work around
>> this for a fix?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > JG
>> >
>>
>> That's very similar to what my screen looks like (the streaks are much
>> less pronounced on mine though.
>>
>> I've called nokia and they've told me to send it in...
>>
>>
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