Re: [MlMt] I need a email provider with: catchall receiving - wildcard sending
Hi, >> I’m now looking for an email provider that supports both of these functions. >> Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > Fastmail seems to support that: > Can 100% confirm. I use it regularly/daily. Both for inbound and outbound mail. In addition, you can set up "Masked Email" addresses in FastMail that can be used to send via MailMate. So as well as *@yourdomain.tld for inbound/outbound, you can make use of the automatically generated email addresses from FM to get something like "abandon.cloud...@fastmail.com" (or a few other domains they own). MailMate has no issues with either, and tends to do the right thing automatically when replying to messages to one of either of these type of addresses (which you can always change at sending time). Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Copy Text from LibeOffice Calc
On 6 August 2024, at 0253, Matthias Schmidt via mailmate wrote: > Hello, > > how do I copy text frm LibreOPfffice Calc to Mailmate? > When I copy and paste, I get a picturepath: >  > when I paste the same thin in BBEdit I get the expected text, Text-Edit keeps > even all formats. For what it is worth, I've had this type of issue for quite a while with MailMate. "Something" in the original text makes MM think that the content is some sort of a binary object and the only way to "paste" is to make it an image, as you have seen. For a year or two I've had to paste text into something like Sublime Text first, then re copy it to the clipboard before pasting it into MailMate. I reported it a while back, and Benny was the one who pointed out that whatever was in the original document/copy action was potentially confusing the process. I don't think it's just LibreOffice, or any specific application, it happens all the time with plain ASCII text in web applications I use (well, what *appears* as plain ASCII to my eyes, but, who knows). Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Smart Mailbox for Attachment type/sub-type?
Hi, I may be missing something obvious here - I'm trying to create a Smart Mailbox which automatically creates within it sub-folders created for Mime Subtypes. I've created the Smart Mailbox which looks at a specific IMAP folder or folders, and has a Condition of Attachment Count more than or equal to 1. From there, I went to the next panel and selected the option of: Submailbox for each unique value of [ Dropdown Menu ] And from the Dropdown tried Content-Type -> Subtype, but, this only seems to match the first MIME type in a message, leaving sub-mailboxes for "Mixed", "Other", "Signed", "Related" (even though I've selected the All Body Parts option). What I was hoping for was a series of Smart Mailboxes which gave me access to all messages which had attachments which were PDF as one sub-mailbox, PNG for another, and so on and so forth. Atch | |--PNG |--PDF |--ICS Etc. I can manually create this by making a lot of individual Smart Mailbox rules and setting a Condition that matches the option of "All Body Parts" and then a specific condition to match each sub-type that I may want a folder for, but, that's a bit time consuming and I was hoping for the magic of Smart. Am I missing something, or is the manual route the only option for now? Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] tags and email client
Hi, > My understanding, as a non expert in mail clients’ subtleties, is that it is > impossible to transfer tags (or smart mailboxes based on tags) from Mailmate > to another client (except for a few IMAP keywords). Is it absolutely > impossible, or is there a workaround? In my experience, the issue isn't so much "transferring" from MailMate to another MUA, it's that other MUAs don't necessarily do tags the "right" way (IMAP keywords or flags) as MailMate does (with controversial definitions of what is Right and Wrong). In other words, MailMate tells IMAP servers the right thing, and I've had no issues using: * Mutt - CLI email with IMAP features * Roundcube - Webmail UI that talks IMAP To both work fine with "Tags" from MailMate. In the latter case, I did have to install a Plugin from the RoundCube community, but, once I did, it worked as I needed. Pragmatically, how different email clients deal with tagging of messages seems all over the place. Most rely upon a private index/database kept on a local device, with only minimal server-side compatibility. There was a pretty advanced looking Mail.app plugin for doing tags and I tried to convince them they should use IMAP to store tag state, to make it work between devices better, but, nope, they weren't interested (MailTags from SmallCubed) at the time. There have been attempts over the years to get email applications like Thunderbird to support IMAP keywords, but, last I checked (a year or so), that did not work as one would hope. Personally, I am VERY happy with how MailMate does it, but, from time to time I have to use other email applications for various reasons, and I sorely wish that they supported server-side IMAP keywords/flags the way MM does. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to create a Mailbox Rule which extracts attachments
Hi, > No, I haven’t found a solution yet. > > Maybe it is possible to develop a bundle which extracts attachments to > folders? > > But good to know I’m not alone here with this need…. I have a similar need, and I almost found a solution...using Keyboard Maestro. I don't want to do it all the time for every message that arrives in a specific mailbox, so, not quite the same use as you and Stefan. Instead, I have a selection of messages that I want to extract the attachments from to a specific folder. I created a Keyboard Maestro macro to select all of the messages in that mailbox, and then select the Message -> Save Attachments shortcut in MailMate. Unfortunately, this is where things start behaving unpredictably. In the panel that appears, if you type a path (there is no text input area, but if you just start typing as if you're typing a path/directory), then the panel for saving the attachments will change to that directory. That's a macOS feature, not MailMate. But however Keyboard Maestro types text doesn't always play nicely with this process (I've tried all of the ways KM has). I suspect that if I had the KM Macro run some AppleScript that sent text more like a person typing, it may work, but, I've not tested this. Not quite the fully automated way that you want to do things, but, I'm nearly there with this approach. Scott > > Thanks, > Leo > > On 26 Jan 2024, at 19:25, Stefan Dorscht wrote: > >> Hello Leo >> >> Is there a solution for your request? >> >> I have a similar request here, I would like to export attachments from mails >> (with one or more attachments - some without attachments which shouldn’t be >> touched) to folders on my Mac. >> >> It would be ideal if all the attachments of each mail were placed in a >> single new folder. >> It would be even better if this folder then also had the name of the sender >> of the mail. >> >> Any hints? >> >> I am gratefuil for any help >> >> Stefan Dorscht >> >> Am 13.09.2023 um 5:39 Uhr schrieb leo: >> >>> Hi there >>> >>> From some incoming mail messages is there a way to extracts its attachments >>> to a folder? >>> >>> I am thinking of setting up a Smart Mailbox, but in the *Actions* for the >>> Mailboxes _Rules_ I couldn’t find anything which acts on attachments… >>> >>> Many thanks for any help, >>> Leo___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] r5975 Experimental option Update[first look]
G'day all, > First look at experimental version 5975 updated from 5970 (changing no > settings) and using the correspondence view, 3 pane display. So far (1 hour > of use): > * No issues crashing (cause of concern to others, but I never experienced in > Ventura or Sonoma OS). I should probably have elaborated as to what's triggering the crashes for me -- Benny and I have been talking about it for a bit, and I think he's well on the way to solving it, but, just in case someone else reads this and can benefit, here's what I do that may be different enough to trigger issues. I have several IMAP accounts that for Synchronisation Schedule are set to "Connected" (but, I've also set this to 30 minutes to try to make the crashing less frequent, kinda-sorta worked, but, not always). I'm running my own IMAP server (Dovecot), and I use Sieve and dozens of Sieve rules quite heavily. This means that my incoming email is filtered into loads of mailboxes automatically. Tags (IMAP keywords/flags) are also something I make significant use of. Within MailMate, I have a number of Smart Mailboxes, such as ones to show me unread messages in mailboxes where Sieve has sorted mail, and a few other special conditions (like Smart Mailboxes for unread messages with a certain text/body of email match), and of course, Smart Mailboxes for certain Tags. The (frustratingly repeatable) crashes for me always occur when I'm viewing a mailbox which is the target for these Sieve rules. Crashes would typically take place when the message view was updated (from my point of view, such as when a Synchronise takes place, which would update the view list), or, when I deleted a message (which would move it to the Trash and update the view of the folder, or a few other similar conditions, such as sending a reply to a message in one of the folders in question. From memory, I don't think crashes ever took place when I was simply using my INBOX, or any folder which was not receiving Sieve controlled background updates. I'm happy to report that Version 1.14 (5975) has been extremely stable so far, with only one crash (again, whilst a Sieve updated folder was being shown) in the last day. Ahh. For most people I don't think the crashes would have taken place, and poor Benny was having a devil of a time reproducing it. Thankfully, it was very reproducible here, so, I think that's why 5975 seems so much happier. Fingers crossed! Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] r5971 Update
Just a heads up - I'm one of the people who has extremely regular crashes and 5974 crashes every time I try to send email, without fail. Data sent along, Benny, but, just wanted to let others know. Scott On 25 August 2023, at 0738, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 24 Aug 2023, at 21:08, Matt wrote: > >> Is there a reason why r5971 is not available through the standard >> option-click on "Check Now" for test/alpha releases? > > The r5971 release is known to have at least one frequent crash issue (at > least for some users), but in general recent releases have been more likely > to be unstable compared to older test releases. Ironically, this is because > of major code changes which have helped fix numerous long standing issues. > It's just taking some time to get to a point where I believe that the latest > builds are sufficiently robust. > > I've just uploaded > [MailMate_r5974.tbz](http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5974.tbz). > I welcome users to test this -- in particular if these users had issues with > r5971. Then we'll see if it's sufficiently stable for me to make it a proper > test release -- and then get back into a more frequent release cycle. > > (Most changes have been related to the main window and a rewrite of the > message list.) > > -- > Benny > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Searching "raw" message (e.g. MIME parts which are plain text)
Hi, I'm trying to find a way to reliably search the full, raw, text of emails in MailMate - and, in particular, search for text which happens to be contained in MIME multipart messages where those parts are text/plain. I can see what I want to search for when I view the raw message, but, I haven't found what I need to select in the various search options to locate it. Is there a way to do this? Ideally, I'd like to do this to create a Smart Mailbox, but, I also just want to be able to easily/quickly search for things which I know are visible in the raw message. May not be possible, I suspect... Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] R5923 memory leaks on M1 iMac/Ventura
On 23 February 2023, at 1346, Joseph P. Hillenburg wrote: > FYI, it appears this may be resolved in R5943. > > -JPH > > On 28 Oct 2022, at 16:03, Joseph P. Hillenburg wrote: > >> R5923 (as well as at least one of the preceding versions) crashes frequently >> on my M1 iMac running Ventura. It seems to happen when clicking on certain >> emails - maybe expanding threads, etc. The symptom seems to be that Mailmate >> starts consuming all system memory. IE. I have to close-quit it at around >> 70GB of usage. >> Just a word of warning, R5943 immediately crashes on launch for me, and will not run. 2019 MacPro, Ventura. I re-downloaded 5942 and am running that for now. Sending Benny the crash data now. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Pasting text results in image - how to fix?
Hello, For a while now (over a year, possibly more), I've found that when I paste text into a compose window on MailMate, instead of just getting the text, it is turned into a Pasted Image (PNG, I think). This is somewhat infuriating, as I end up taking the same text from the Clipboard, pasting it into Sublime Text, select-all, copy, and THEN pasting it into MailMate. Is it just me? Is there a workaround? The source text is often from various web-apps I use for work, but, no other application besides MailMate seems to have an issue with it. I can take the same Clipboard and paste into a Terminal session, vim, any text editor, DevonThink, doesn't matter...always works. But MailMate will almost always turn pasted text into an image. I'm guessing there's extraneous information in the copied data which is making MailMate assume I'm trying to paste binary content, perhaps. Would be great if someone knows a way around this! Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Is there a way to display all server-side Tags/Keywords?
Hi, I've noticed that MailMate seems to only display tags that it knows about (from Tags.plist); if another IMAP client sets a new IMAP flag/tag/keyword, it won't show up in MailMate unless it's manually added. Does anyone know of a way around this, or, am I missing something that will permit MailMate to see all server-side flags? I've tried creating a Smart Mailbox for all Tags that Exist, and that still doesn't seem to capture them all. I use Preside on iOS, and thankfully that can do what I want, but, I'm trying to tidy up my numerous tags and it's a bit easier to do on the desktop, if possible. Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Manually Delete a Source?
On 12 Oct 2022, at 16:43, Sam Birch wrote: > On 11 Oct 2022, at 9:23, Scott Schulz wrote: > >> So I’m wondering if there is a manual way to remove that source from the >> list, and any saved emails from disk? > > Hi Scott, > > This requires some surgery, but it’s doable. Thank you! After editing the first three files I fired it up and the only anomaly I could see was and Untitled folder in the Deleted Messages section. I deleted that and all seemed good. After shutting it back down I deleted the cached files and pressed the Mailboxes file, but it looked clean enough, so I left it. I appreciate the guidance. SwS ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Manually Delete a Source?
Greetings, I used to have a Google App account set up in MM. Now that they have gone pay, I let it lapse and would now like to remove the source from MM. However, every time I R-click the source and choose Remove Source, MM crashes, including in the new version 5918 I received this morning. So I’m wondering if there is a manual way to remove that source from the list, and any saved emails from disk? Right now I have a red (offline) message displayed in the sources lists. Thanks, SwS ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Spurious newlines in copied text
> When I select and copy a block of text that contains line breaks from a mail, > and then paste it somewhere else the line breaks double and become empty > lines. > Is this a bug or am I doing it wrong? This one hits me regularly, and there's a workaround: Use right-click Copy (from pop-up menu), rather than command-c. For $reasons that I'm sure Benny groks better than I do, this works. Not ideal for a smooth workflow, but, it has worked 100% of the time for me when I want to ensure that I'm not receiving spurious newlines. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Malformed server response
On 3 November 2021, at 1129, m...@rhp.tw wrote: > Anyone else getting the error *Malformed server response* when trying to > check for updates?___ Yes, been going on since last week. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] custom key to view as html
On 5 March 2021, at 1058, Randy Bush wrote: i generally prefer text rather than html. but sometimes i want to see a message as html, and without my claws leaving the keyboard. so i tried to figure out how to map a key to View/MessageBodyParts/HTML. clearly, it goes in, e.g. ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/Special.plist but i can not find the action name, and can not find how to find the \@U for keys. My personal way to solve this was to use macOS's native Keyboard Shortcuts in the Keyboards control panel to map option-leftarrow and option-rightarrow to the MailMate Menu commands Previous Alternative and Next Alternative. Charlie's suggestion is great for the one-key solution, but, I've been using the keyboard application shortcuts to "fix" apps for so many years, it was the quickest solution for me. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Smart Folder bug.
Hi,
This morning, using Version 1.14 (5757) on macOS Big Sur, I ran into a
repeatable bug (well, I feel it is a bug) involving the use of Smart
Folders.
Goal: To create a Smart Folder that only has Flagged items in it.
Steps I took:
1) Clicked on All Messages in the folder pane
2) Right clicked to bring up the contextual menu
3) Selected New Smart Mailbox
I then created a Smart Mailbox which applied to All Messages, but, as a
Condition, only would show Messages that are Flagged (any colour).
Once the Untitled Smart Mailbox (would be great if there was a feature
that let you name the Smart Mailbox as you're editing the parameters for
it...) was created, things went amiss.
The primary symptom that I noticed was that all of my sub-folders for
another Smart Mailbox I have (Unread) vanished.
Long story short, what I realised happened was that the NEW Smart Folder
had the Conditions applied to *All Messages* as well as to the Smart
Mailbox itself. So, the rules applied to the "parent" of where I
created the Smart Mailbox, not just the Smart Mailbox.
This meant that all of my other Smart Mailboxes, which were based off of
"All Messages" were only showing content if they passed the Conditions
that were (incorrectly, I feel) applied to All Messages.
Further, when I tried to Edit the All Messages rules/conditions, ticking
the box to remove the condition, or the rule itself for All Messages,
caused swirling candy (beachball).
I had to force quit.
The only way to get MailMate working again was to manually edit
Mailboxes.plist and remove the filter.
This is what the Mailboxes.plist had at the top:
{ deltaMailboxes = (
{ filter = "#flags.flag = '\\Flagged'";
previousUUID = "";
uuid = "ALL_MESSAGES";
},
{ previousUUID = "";
uuid = "ALL_BODY_PARTS";
},
...
So, I removed the filter and restarted MailMate and all was fine.
Unfortunately, I'm now not sure how to create a Smart Mailbox -- any
attempt to do so is modifying the rules for the "parent" folder to
contain the rules for the Smart Mailbox. I'm sure I'll sort out a
workaround, but, thought I'd share.
Regards,
Scott
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[MlMt] Can't disable "Organise by Thread".
Hi, One massive performance drag on MailMate that I've noticed is that if "Organise by Thread" is enabled that searching for messages is painfully slow -- beachball and 20-30 seconds or more before any results come back. I have over 500K messages, but, very fast RAID SSD and more than enough RAM (240G). The issue is no doubt the sheer message quantity that MailMate tries to parse and find messages that are in the same thread. So, for the last few years I've ensured that View -> Organise by Thread was disabled. However, with version Version 1.14 (5755) (Big Sur), the "All Messages" Mailbox, which is the default for searching, ALWAYS has message threading enforced, even though the menu toggle is disabled. Is this a bug, or does someone have a workaround? Feels like a bug... Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Big Sur and 2.0 branch?
Hi all, b) Will I be able to install the latest beta from the 1.x branch without problems with configurations and databases? Yes. I also recommend using the latest test release on Big Sur: Hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane. I did this, but, am now regretting it -- but hopefully only temporarily. I had a "Dark Mode" Custom CSS installed, which was always a bit of a hack, I know, but, it saved me from going blind due to the solid white backgrounds that are the default for HTML messages it seems. Mail.app respects dark mode and even HTML messages are kept the background colour (dark), which is quite useful. Is there a way in the latest Big Sur recommended version (Version 1.14 (5754)) to get this to work again? Ideally, I don't want any HTML to be shown unless I specifically ask for that MIME part to be displayed, but, that doesn't seem to work any longer. The HTML rendering is quite slow and choppy and the first time a message is displayed there's a bright flash -- even for non HTML messages. That doesn't happen if I move to another message and move back, thankfully, but, it's making going through mail a bit of a stroboscopic experience. Any tips on how to calm the solar flare of HTML's white background welcome! Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Smart Mailbox of IMAP flagged messages?
Hi, On 10 December 2020, at 0910, TJ Luoma wrote: I'm sure I knew how to do this but I'm setting up a new Mac and can't remember/figure it out. How do I make a smart folder which includes any message which is "flagged" (regular IMAP flags, not Apple's colored flags)? Create a new Smart Mailbox and Edit it as such: 1) Mailboxes (apply the mailboxes you care about, like All Mailboxes) 2) Second tab, Conditions: A: Set "All" of the following to be true: Dropdown -> Tags Second Dropdown -> Exists That should do it. Other options are around there as well if you need to adjust the scope, or create sub-mailboxes based on various properties, etc. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] send as
On 23 October 2020, at 1229, Charlie Garrison wrote:
On 23 Oct 2020, at 12:02, Evan Silberman wrote:
How can I setup MailMate to ‘send as” another alias?
Under the "From" popup menu, select "Customise..."
If you have several to set up, and perhaps want to tweak things more
manually, you can also edit ~/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Identities.plist (after quitting MailMate first).
You'll see how it's formatted pretty clearly, but, you can create simple
stanzas like:
{ emailAddresses = "addre...@domain.com, addre...@someotherdomain.com,
addre...@whatever.com";
name = "Jayne Smythe";
serverURL = "imap://usern...@hostname.domain.com";
},
I'd recommend making sure you have a backup before editing the file,
however.
In this case, this will create three email addresses for Jayne Smythe in
the drop-down when you restart MailMate, and you can select which one
you want when you send the message.
I actually have the same serverURL defined a few times, with different
"name" and "emailAddresses" defined; it's a convenient way to work with
role accounts where the email server may be the same, but, you want/need
a different sending identity.
Scott
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[MlMt] Displaying the "Sender" header by default.
Hi, I've tried searching my archives on this one, as well as reviewing the customisation hints online, but, I can't quite find what I'm after here... I want to customise the "List" view of headers when I've selected a message. Right now it's just From, Subject, Date, To, Tags. I'd like to add "Sender" or perhaps other headers. Is there a plist that I should edit to do this, or a defaults write, or anything? (Specific use-case here: Dealing with forwarded meeting invitations which appear in MailMate as From the original meeting organiser, but were re-sent to me by someone who thinks I should be there. Right now I have to view the raw headers and find the Sender (the person who forwarded it to me) manually.) Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Is the "Create Mail" from Statistics layout customisable?
Hi, I wanted to do some analysis / graphing of some of the data that MailMate generates, and was hoping there was some way to customise the format of the "Create Mail" output when you're in the Statistics Layout. The issue I have now is that most spreadsheet apps will interpret "(INT)" as a negative value, and whilst I can manually tell the spreadsheet later that it's really positive, or, I can just use Find/Replace to get rid of the () from within MailMate, it's a hassle and slows down the process a bit. Further, trying to get the spaces aligned properly doesn't always work, depending upon the values that I've got, which leads to other importing headaches into spreadsheets. Ideally, I was hoping for a way to generate a CSV, or PSV, or some-other-characterSV (customisable), as well as a way to select which fields to include in the output, and their order. Anyone know if that's possible? Ta, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] ProtonMail or other IMAP server?
Hi Kim, Tried to onboard with MailMate a couple of years but couldn’t understand how to do it. I’m trying again. Is ProtonMail good to use with MM as an IMAP server or are there other good alternatives? Good meaning not too costly and a pleasant and responsive service team. One potential issue with ProtonMail is that, from what I have read on their support site, they do not support IMAP tags/keywords/labels the way that some other IMAP services can. To use IMAP with them, you have to use their "Bridge" software, which may cause other issues. See: https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/labels-in-the-bridge/ I haven't actually tried this on my ProtonMail accounts, as I haven't enabled the IMAP Bridge with those accounts. As someone who makes extremely heavy use of IMAP tags/labels in MailMate, I need to make sure that whatever I use as an IMAP server fully supports my specific use-cases. There are also potential issues with latency, depending upon where you are in the world. ProtonMail is in Switzerland, after all. From Australia, that gets a bit painful sometimes, for all sorts of reasons. Fastmail is a great alternative, and whilst it certainly doesn't have anywhere close to the security of ProtonMail, it offers a lot of great features and works fantastic with MailMate. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] FYI: Don't go to Big Sur just yet.
On 24 June 2020, at 1020, Denis Ricard via mailmate wrote: One possible explanation is that you are using different test release versions. Unfortunately, Scott is using a more recent test release which means you might also see the crashing issue if you update to the latest test release (r5694). Yep, I’m using Version 1.13.1 (5683). It’s funny that the one “living on the edge” is Scott, using an alpha release of MailMate, while I’m safely using the release version of MailMate on Big Sur ;) Actually, the laptop in question is using the release version from Benny's website - not even the alpha/beta. Benny shall have a load of crash reports shortly, at any rate! It could be something specific to my configuration interacting with Big Sur and MM, of course. I may test that with a quick "mv" to see if so... ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] FYI: Don't go to Big Sur just yet.
Hi MailMate users, I put macOS 11 (Big Sur) on a spare laptop for testing and of all of my critical applications, only one crashes immediately: MailMate. As always, one should never put highly temperamental betaware on machines for critical work, so, in my case, it's no big deal as that laptop was sitting turned off for the last six months anyway. Just trying to give the community a heads up so they don't do something they end up regretting. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Fastmail labels
Hi, Fastmail introduces support for labels ([link][1]). It appears that labels are supported by the new protocol they worked on, [JMap][2]. Otherwise over IMAP I think that labels are exposed as regular folders, just like email. I wonder if something can be done in Mailmate, if not for then JMap, then at least the ability to map “Tags” to folders, just like we can for Gmail labels. When I tried it yesterday, it didn’t seem to work, the mechanism seems to be specific to Gmail. Mildly off-topic, but, I did submit a support request for the Fastmail label "beta" that they make *their* protocol support IMAP tags/labels. Their back-end IMAP environment already correctly supports IMAP tags, and there may be others who would prefer to see their "labels" inherit (optionally) the already-existing tags that customers may have created. It would save a lot of work and add some great functionality to their UI/front-end, I feel. They shrugged a bit at my request, but, perhaps if others ask for it, they'll consider it. (Which isn't to say I wouldn't like to see JMAP get a bit of traction and supported by other clients, but, that hasn't quite happened yet. Probably a bit of chicken/egg going on.) Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Relaxing the definition of a "correspondent" to deal with certain mailing lists.
Hi, I've recently been making increased use of the View -> Layout -> Correspondence way of viewing mail in MailMate as the extra panel provides some great context as to previous conversations with the same person/email address. However, like no doubt many of you, I'm a member of many mailing lists, as well as ticketing systems, which try to regularise email addresses for all sent mail to be from the mailing list itself (usually to avoid things like SPF/DMARC/DKIM/etc blocks). This means that MailMate does its skull-insertion to highlight that the email address appears potentially inconsistent. For example: From: "usern...@hotmail.com" And on MailMate, the first @ is the skull. The problem is that this also seems to break the Correspondence view. Either I get no results, or, I get a plethora of results for email-l...@company.net, or, weirdly, something in between. What I don't get is what I get in this view when the email is merely: From: "Jayne Q. Rhubarb" What I would like is for MailMate to act a bit more like Mail.app in this regard? It seems to be able to recognise "conversations" based upon the combination of the "friendly name" and the <> proper address. Is there a way to do this in MailMate? Some way to see the whole From header as the thing to base a correspondent's identity on? Or is there another solution I've not thought of here (that doesn't require me changing every mailing list and ticketing system on the planet to suit my needs)? Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Hi Peter, On 24 September 2019, at 0427, Peter Borsella wrote: Hello, Shoshanna, I’ve gone ahead and submitted the whitelisting requests to PIA, but while waiting for that I also ran a quick experiment of simply changing the VPN server, and voila, my email went out! Thanks again. More reinforcement is needed, but that’s in progress. Whilst we're slightly veering off course from MailMate, I will chime in here as I went through a similar headache and it might be useful for those trawling the archives in the future to have something else to check. From what you've reported, Peter, my sense is that you MAY have encountered the same issue I did with PIA, and is part of why I ceased using them and will not use them again in the future. PIA does not route all of your packets via the same path. The destination port plays a part in the routing decisions that PIA makes for which exit-node to send your VPN'd packets through. What this means in very simple terms is that even if you're connected to a PIA endpoint in, say, Ontario, Canada, not all of your network traffic will *actually* go through PIA's Ontario locations. Depending on the destination *port* of the activity you are generating, you may find that PIA will route your traffic via Europe or some other unexpected destination. Many of the most popular ports, such as 80 and 443 for web traffic will definitely go via the advertised endpoint, but, other ports, including those which may be associated with SMTP and IMAP (such as for email), or anything running on "non standard" ports, may not be. I had a very long, and very frustrating, back and forth discussion with PIA about this, but, this is a feature of their platform. From what I gathered, it's also somewhat dependent upon the VPN endpoint you may select...in other words, not all endpoints may do this destination-port based re-routing of your packets. Therefore, your disconnecting and reconnecting to another VPN server could well fit in with the above. It was actually using MailMate which helped me figure this out about PIA...whilst trying to connect to some private mail servers, and running into connectivity and authentication woes, I noticed that the IP address of the inbound connection was NOT the IP address of my VPN connection. If you have your own Internet accessible server, this is pretty trivial to test yourself - I just ran a tcpdump on my destination server, and from my PIA VPN'd machine, ran a series of nmap sessions, for all ports, 1-65535, TCP and UDP. The results were shocking (horrifying for me), with loads of traffic being routed via AS43350 (NForce, Netherlands) even though my chosen VPN endpoint was on the other side of the world - but, again, it wasn't all ports, but certainly a huge number of them. Anyway, reading your symptoms made me recall this experience with PIA. Glad you have a working solution and your email is flowing! Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] UGH.. Gmail won't authenticate
Hi, > I'm using the web app to write this. I'm not sure what to do. MM is an > approved 3rd party app in my Google settings. Should I remove it and start > over? Should I delete the account from MM and reset it up. (I have LOTS of > smart mailboxes so this would be a pain.) > > Do let me know, I'm copying myself on one of my other emails that is > working. Please use that address? It could be: https://downdetector.com/status/gmail Google has had outages for the last few hours for several platforms. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] command-click
Hi, I just upgraded to MM version 1.12.5 (5635). Since then the command-click on a link switches to the browser window right away, that is no longer opens the link in the background. In other words, there is no difference between click and command-click Can anyone confirm that? I can confirm that the behaviour has definitely changed... On Mojave as well - but in my case, it works for a single message, but, if I have shift-selected two or three messages, and am trying to command click on links within those messages, it no longer works. I actually sent Benny a note about this changed behaviour in the latest betas/release versions just a couple of days ago as well. It's definitely changed in recent builds; but I was on holiday and can't pin down exactly which update caused the change of behaviour... Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] One-click global search for an address (from headers)
Hi, I'm nearly sure that this used to work, but, for some reason what I'm after isn't working now. I have a regular need to quickly see all other emails to/from a specific address. In the past, it was my recollection that simply clicking on the From address on a currently open message would do a search for anything from that address, or, anything TO that address. At present, I can't get messages TO that address, only FROM by clicking on the header element. Is there a way to get the messages to as well? Right now I'm having to copy the address, go the search bar (or type /) and then search for the address. Would be a lot faster for what I need if I could somehow make that one-click solution work. I could be mis-remembering, of course...note that this works for Subjects, and Date (for the day of the month, not to the hour/minute/second level of accuracy). Just not From. Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] dealing with large mailboxes
Hi,
so my SO keeps all sent mail etc. the ~/mail/Sent folder has 97,000
messages going back to 2000 or so. mailmate is starting to choke and
fail every few days.
if she creates ~/mail/old/Sent mailmate will still see and have to
deal with it.
how are folk dealing with this?
My (current) solution is a bit of a hybrid of what others have already
mentioned.
For the current calendar year, I keep everything in the default folders
for Sent and Archive. For me, Archive is where I put things that aren't
important enough for a dedicated folder, and which have been
answered/dealt with.
At this time of year, when there is a natural lull in my email activity
due to holidays and whatnot, I undertake several housecleaning
activities.
Since it is now the start of 2019, the things I've done are:
1) Make a new IMAP folder for 2018
2) Move everything from my Archive folder from 2018 into the 2018
specific year folder
3) Go to my Sent folder and find all mail from 2016 (yes, 2016) and
move it to the 2016 specific year folder.
4) Go to my Sent folder and find mail from the first six months of 2017
and move it to the 2017 specific year folder.
My reason for the delay in processing Sent mail to specific folders is
mostly due to client applications and needs I've had to search for mail.
It was simply easier and faster to find a message I knew I sent by going
to the Sent folder and scoping the search there, rather than trying to
search all mail, or trying more complicated search combinations (this is
particularly true under iOS rather than MailMate).
I regularly have to find old sent mail from many years previous, but,
after about 18 months or so my brain tends to forget exactly when things
were sent so not matter what I have to do a more thorough search.
If I can remember exactly when an email conversation took place, chances
are it was within that time window.
I use a handful of Smart Mailboxes in MailMate, many based on IMAP
Keywords ("Tags"), and that helps.
Most of my per-year folders are under 20K messages in each IMAP account
(I have several). Since there are many more messages in dedicated
folders, this helps keep things spread out.
Not sure how much it really matters to MailMate, but, my method is
really more about creating just the right number (but not too many) of
boxes for me to know where to find things.
Scott
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Re: [MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
Hi, On 15 November 2018, at 0825, Stephen Chong wrote: It's a freemium model. You can use the app without paying anything. The free version works well. The premium version is more a way to support the developer and help keep the app up to date. See https://preside.io/PremiumFAQ.html. Yeah - I should have called that out -- for me, this is a no-brainer. I became a MailMate Patron the day Benny announced it. I exist inside email for much of my work, and to help make certain that developers have a bit of regular income to keep them inspired -- completely worth it for me. Generally, not a fan of subscriptions, but, for something that I use for many hours per day, I make it work. I'll be reaching out to the Preside developers today with feedback on some bugs/quirks I've found overnight, but, to finally have a mobile way to manage/sort/filter my MailMate email tags, aahhhh. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] PSA: Mobile app that's compatible with many MailMate features.
Hi all, My apologies for those who already know this, but, last night I stumbled across an iOS app that matches many of MailMate's features, but, obviously, works mobile. MailMate is absolutely the only email client for me at my desktop, but, there are things I sometimes must do on my iPhone or iPad that are tricky to do with the standard Mail.app client there. The client I found: https://preside.io Now, the UI may not appeal to all, but, it is incredibly flexible, with a huge array of configuration options to suit many needs. For me, the highlight was: It works seamlessly with MailMate IMAP tags (as stored on FastMail, at least). There are all sorts of things like Smart Folders, integration with helper apps, quick filtering, configurable buttons, its own S/MIME certificate management, and so on. Just wanted to share this as I figured others in this community may be interested. Preside very much feels like a "power user" mail app, just as I see MailMate to be. Mobile will not be replacing desktop for me anytime soon - but to at least be able to access many of the power features MailMate has enabled for me over the years whilst mobile was a huge win. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] moving tags to new laptop
Hi Eric, Hi, I’m the happy recipient of a shiny new laptop and am configuring MailMate for it. Unhappily, I’m finding none of the many tags I’ve set on messages on my old laptop are visible on the new one. I guess that means none of my IMAP servers support saving tags. Is there a way I can copy the tags over? Where are they stored on the client? I regularly do this by copying the file: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Tags.plist To new systems, or, between home/work, to keep them in sync. I make sure MailMate is not running anywhere when I copy the file, as well. It's worked well for a few years, so far! Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Copying a message
Hi, Since MailMate doesn't have a way to export email to a standard format Umm... I don't believe that to be true. Sorry - I was mixing up my directionality. I know about, and use, all of the methods you mention -- but the Keyboard Maestro macros are still something I've been making heavy use of (for my particular work flow which required the automation and variables/etc). MailMate is focussed on IMAP as a way to get mail, rather than locally managed mailboxes on a local system (that Mail.app does). That's the bit I was thinking of with respect to the complexities (Maildir vs. mbox vs whatever). Again, not a gripe at all. It's come up on the list many times over the years, and I know a number of people use things like DevonThink or their own local IMAP server to simulate the use of local mailboxes. The Import Messages feature works well for certain use cases, but not all. Thanks to Bill for summarising some of the other ways to dump/export/save a specific message. Cheers, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Copying a message
Hi Michael, I sometimes want to copy a message and paste it into another application (usually OmniOutliner, sometimes a plain-text document) -- basically something similar to what you might expect if you typed command-c when a message is selected in the message list and content was copied to the clipboard so that it can be pasted elsewhere. I'd like to get both the basic headers (from, to, subject, date) and the body, preferring plain-text formatting. There doesn't seem to be a built-in MailMate command to do this, unless I'm just overlooking something really obvious. Is there a way? Failing that, has anyone implemented anything like this already, perhaps in the form of a bundle? I looked through https://github.com/mailmate but nothing looks like like it would do it. Since MailMate doesn't have a way to export email to a standard format (not a gripe, I understand the headaches that come with that), I've solved this sort of thing via one of two paths: 1) Using the MailMate built-in "Show in Finder" command. This gives you the .eml file. You can now "do stuff" with that EML file, which may suffice. 2) Increasingly, I've been using Keyboard Maestro to create automation flows like you mention above. For example, I've created a Macro that is only active in MailMate that will select the current message, then select the Show Raw Message option. From there, Keyboard Maestro copies all of the text into a named clipboard (or system clipboard) and then activates Sublime Text. KM then pastes into Sublime Text and creates a few variables: It extracts the Subject from the headers, as well as today's date and the Date header from the email. KM can then save the message and use the variables created in the previous step to create a useful filename, saving the file as a .eml to a standardised place for my workflows. The second way is a lot more involved, possibly overkill, but, it does permit essentially "one button" activation of a macro that creates a file that I can then immediately import into OmniOutliner or anything else that reads .eml on macOS. Not quite the same as a Bundle approach, but, since I've been doing more and more with Keyboard Maestro, it was pretty easy to do. The resulting .eml works fine as an item in OmniOutliner, and clicking on it opens the message within the app. What I haven't really tried to test is how that works with loads of attachments -- but, in theory, it should work the same as using the .eml file directly from Show In Finder. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Tag completion upper/lower case confusion
Hi Benny, On 29 August 2018, at 2341, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 24 Aug 2018, at 18:37, Eric Sharakan wrote: Unfortunately, I just encountered issue #1 again, exactly as originally described: Ok, let me know if you find a series of steps which reproduces this. Maybe with the next test release since I've fixed a couple of other issues (which I don't *think* is related to this problem). For what it is worth, this is the same issue that I reported on the 23rd of January of this year, and it still is just as prevalent today. Once MailMate gets stuck with the case sensitivity and auto-complete/matching, the only way to "clear" the state is to quit and restart. I can reproduce this 100% of the time. If I have a tag such as "ML:Fubar" and I start typing "Ml" it may show up correctly with auto-capitalisation on the L once, but, after a few backspaces and trying again, MailMate will force the capitalisation to "Ml" not ML, and won't match any tags. It seems to get stuck in this mode until quit/restart; I assign tags with the capitalisation I want by using the menus and whatnot, but, I can no longer type them with the case I want -- it just gets wedged in forcibly changing the case to the wrong value. My preference would be that at least optionally, once a tag is defined, case sensitivity for matching should be ignored and MailMate should only suggest tags in their stored/saved values, unless an entirely NEW value is being entered. That is, once it's clear that no matches match, it should allow the capitalisation to be as the user types it in. I realise that may not be possible, but, certainly if there is a matching tag, it shouldn't get confused about case when there IS a match and NOT match because the auto-corrected case isn't matching the case of the saved/existing tag value. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Forwarding as attachment corrupts attachments (in some cases).
Hi,
I've been banging my head against the proverbial wall on this one and
was wondering if it's Just Me or not.
Over the last few weeks I've noticed that if I receive an email which
contains attachments, and then attempt to forward that same email *as*
an attachment (Message -> Forward as Attachment) that the attachment(s)
become corrupt and are unable to be opened by the recipient.
I am able to replicate this, but not 100% of the time. I have noticed
that when it fails, I can usually detect the failure by checking the
attachment size of the message as-arrived to me, and, the size that
MailMate (Version 2.0BETA (6110)) reports in the compose window, or, the
size of the attachments after they're sent and arrive at the destination
mailbox.
For example, a simple screenshot I sent myself contained a 1.2MB
attachment (as reported in MailMate in the message view window).
If I then forward that as an attachment, the attachment size increases
to 2.1MB. But not always. When this size discrepancy appears, I know
the receiving end won't be able to open the attached image (even though
MailMate displays the attached email message, and the attachment
name/type for preview/save).
If I simply forward that same message (but not as an attachment), it
stays working, 100% of the time.
In looking at raw messages that I can't open, it does appear that
something has gone amiss with the process.
My *guess* here is that it is something to do with Office365 being
involved.
From a message (received, working attachment) I see that MS has
injected a load of cruft around the MIME parts:
--=_MailMate_BA273722-4B6C-42F7-9B20-E82276673846_=
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Test Image.png"
Content-Type: image/png
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics:
1;SY2PR01MB2683;27:R6tmwluRy+z
X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info:
MNMPy5SSb41Wk0Z1QZbp/1S7U5
iVBORw0KGgoNSUhEUgAABLYAAAN2CAYAAADkKQCvAAAKrGlDQ1BJQ0MgUHJvZmlsZQAASImV
lgdUU1kax+97L73QAqFD6E26QADpNYQmHWyEhBJKCAlBRVRUxBEcCyIiWNGhiIJjAWRQEVFsg4IK
9gEZVNRxsGBDZR+whJnds7tn/+fcvN/58t3vfve9e8/5A0C5zREK02E5ADIE2aIwP09GTGwcA/8E
and so on.
However, on the system that receives the corrupted attachment(s), those
MIME bits are the same, but it appears that the attachment itself is the
raw data of the PNG file (sort of), rather than being encoded.
=89PNG=0D
=1A
=00=00=00=0DIHDR=00=00=04=B6=00=00=03v=08=06=00=00=00=E4)=00=AF=00=00
=ACiCCPICC
Profile=00=00H=89=95=96=07TSY=1A=C7=EF{/=BD=D0=02=A1C=E8M=BA@=00=
=E95=84&=1Dl=84=84=12J=08 AETT=C4=11=1C=0B""X=D1=A1=88=82c=01dP=11Ql=83=82=
And so on.
Is it just me? This used to work, but, I don't know whether something
has changed with MM, Microsoft, or solar flares...
Thanks,
Scott
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[MlMt] Changing the quoted line character.
Hi, I was certain this was discussed in the past, but, I couldn't find it in the mail archives anywhere, nor the hidden preferences. One of the (infinite) infuriating things about Outlook seems to be that when it receives email where quoted lines in replies are prefaced with ">" it will effectively ignore the characters and only create a mild indentation on the screen of the unfortunate Outlook user. Is there a way to change this in MailMate so that some other symbol/character is used? I think that the HTML composer uses something that looks like a |, which would probably be okay. In manual testing, Outlook actually displayed that character, which is good. As it is, when I reply to emails that end up with Outlook users, they look like this on the Outlook side: --- On 17 March 2018, at 1001, ! Test Mail box wrote: Testing back and forth. Are we ready to go? Looking good...Maybe. --- Where as, what I *sent* was: --- On 17 March 2018, at 1001, ! Test Mail box wrote: Testing back and forth. Are we ready to go? Looking good...Maybe. --- Just wondering what the best way is of maintaining proper inline quotation, which renders sanely. Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] command-return to send
Hi, On 7 March 2018, at 1627, Randy Bush wrote: i have "Special" in Prefs/General/CustomKeyBindings, which is enabled % cat ~/Library/Application\ Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/Special.plist "@\U000D" = "send:"; Not sure if this helps, but, for the last few years my plist has had: "@\U000A" = "send:"; // command return "@\U000D" = "send:"; // command enter My sense is that return!=enter; my plist entries seem to do the "right thing" and command-return is what sends. Which is, hopefully, what I'm about to prove to myself... Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Delete and Next?
Somehow I have changed the behavior of the ‘Unread’ mailbox so that after deleting a message, MM selects the last read message, rather than the next unread message. It only does this in Unread, not in Inbox. And it only does it on my work Mac, not the one at home, so I am guessing I hit some keystroke which changed this behavior. Does anyone know what I may have done, and how to switch it back? I did some searching, and found a CLI command which I thought may have changed it, but it does not seem to have changed this. Thanks, SwS ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th
Hi, On 17 May 2017, at 0531, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: I will note that I turned on 2FA long ago, and I've had zero trouble with MailMate and its app-specific password. You set it up once; after that, it just works. Echoing Steve here. I use several platforms which make use of per-app passwords, and MailMate with Apple's 2FA and per-app password support has been easy; FastMail have it as well. I would recommend a good password manager though. I use 1Password, which helps me organise this quite nicely. Each platform with application specific passwords is a separate entity in my data, and I make a new "Password" item within that entity for each of the Applications. MailMate has worked fine with this setup. Only took a few minutes to set up with 1P. Absolutely worth it given the importance of email, and how compromising an email credential is often a gateway to the compromise of $everything_else. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finding Rule location
On 20 Jan 2017, at 9:39, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
On 20 Jan 2017, at 15:09, Scott Schulz wrote:
Is there some kind of debug functionality which might show me where
that rule is applied?
Try this:
grep -C5 rules ~/Library/Application\
Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist
Bingo! For anyone else, that (modified) query provided this:
{
name = "Create Archive";
parentUUID =
"46E2347D-F2E1-4AB2-A004-C40295FE7AEB";
rules = (
{ actions = (
{ folderPath =
"/Users/sws/Documents/Email/Exports";
type =
"exportMessage";
},
);
description = "Export to
MailSteward";
},
);
set =
"imap://scott%40bonkers@imap.gmail.com/INBOX";
uuid = "95A5403B-44D8-4A45-95FC-4CBCEF869C98";
},
And when searching for that parentUUID, I found these two entries:
{ previousUUID = "MAILING_LISTS";
uuid = "46E2347D-F2E1-4AB2-A004-C40295FE7AEB";
},
and
{ name = "Examples";
parentUUID = "MAILBOXES";
uuid = "46E2347D-F2E1-4AB2-A004-C40295FE7AEB";
},
It was under the second, so problem solved. Thanks for the assistance!
SwS
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[MlMt] Finding Rule location
A year or so ago, I played with the idea of using MailSteward or something similar to archive emails and make them searchable. Since that was a total failure, I basically forgot about it, but today, while doing some cleaning I found that all of the emails from one of my folders are still being exported to a folder on disk. But I cannot find that rule to get rid of it. I checked the Inbox > servername folder, the Sources > servername > Inbox location, and anywhere else I could think I might have applied a rule, but none of those show any Rules in place. I do have the Experimental features checkbox checked. Is there some kind of debug functionality which might show me where that rule is applied? Thanks, SwS ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Trash or Deleted Messages?
Hi, This is one that has been bugging me for a while and I keep pushing it to the back burner, only to have it flare up at inconvenient times.. I use: o OS X o iOS o Fastmail I am pretty sure there are others on this list who do the same. What is the "right" way to configure MailMate (and, by association, Mail.app on OS X and iOS) so that deleting a message puts it into the right folder such that all of the various interacting software see that folder as the rubbish bin and treat it as such? Some of my configs seem to be using a Deleted Messages folder, others are using Trash; I'm hoping to go with what should be the "default" but I'm sensing that there's a fundamental difference between these systems... Ta, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Flagged count mismatch across computers
I have MM installed on a desktop MacPro with SpamSieve and on a laptop in the drone config. One iCloud and two Gmail accounts are setup identically on both. The desktop shows a higher number of flagged messages than the laptop. The higher count is due to multiple copies of the same messages on the desktop. If I delete one of the dupes, it removes all copies of the same message. Can you explain or help? Mark Sent from Mark's iPhone 801-450-6610 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Really weird bug--mail sent from wrong account
Hi Kee, On 22 September 2016, at 0728, Kee Hinckley wrote: I sent the following message: ``` From: "Kee Hinckley" To: metadatasupp...@tivo.com Subject: The 16x9 Series Image for "Difficult People" does not include the title text Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:37:26 -0700 Message-ID: <225b4f26-6097-4da6-9abd-8fa7d813b...@tivo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="=_MailMate_AC3B2727-7876-41A9-A2F9-BAB06F89D205_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6056) ``` But it didn't go out via my TiVo account. The next day when I was wondering why I didn't get a reply, I discovered it in the outbox for one of my Google accounts, not in my TiVo outbox. And when I talked to the folks I sent it to, they confirmed that they received it from the Google address.___ I have been meaning to mention this one for a while. I have this happen all the time. The easiest way to replicate it is for me to click on a mailto: URL somewhere. MailMate will then generate a new message which is often, but not always, from the first account listed in my list of accounts. If I change the "From" address, it does NOT change the account through which it is sent. I am typically reminded of this when I get an error from Apple about how I'm not permitted to send from some other domain via my iCloud account and it rejects the message. So there does seem to be some sort of a disconnect between what the From address is exiting MailMate and the actual account used for SMTP. It may well be this is somehow linked to what you've seen here. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate failed to send to a Contacts group
Hi, On 19 September 2016, at 0514, Shoshanna Green wrote: I just tried to email a group defined in Contacts.app, BCCing myself as usual. When I began to type the group name into the To: line, MailMate autofilled it (with "(Group)") at the end, but didn't expand it to list the individual members of the group. My memory is that sometimes it does expand to list the names and sometimes it doesn't, so I shrugged and sent it anyway -- and my BCCed copy arrived indicating that it hadn't gone to anyone else but me: there is no To: line on the message, and in the message window it shows (No Correspondent). Once MailMate matches the name of your group, hit return, or, comma (if you have other addresses). At that point, it expands to the lists of members. Not before. It also doesn't expand if you hit tab to go to the next field. I always assumed this was by design, so didn't whinge about it...but the return/comma approach has always worked for me. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Google login issues?
Hi, On 2 September 2016, at 1646, Richard Rettke wrote: On 30 Aug 2016, at 21:02, Kee Hinckley k...@hinckley.com wrote: I've had MailMate ask for my password in four of my Google Apps accounts (three of them two-factor) a total of at least 8 times today. Has anyone else had any issues? I've been watching this thread since it started and feeling fortunate that I have not had any issues with 10 gmail accounts I have. So I'm sitting in front of my Mac when all of a sudden at 0127 i received emails and text messages from google on 5 of the accounts. The messages read as follows; _Hi Richard,_ _Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google Account xxx...@gmail.com, using an application such as an email client or mobile device._ [ snip ] I also have a number of Gmail accounts configured for MailMate, and until this morning, no problem at all. Then, rather swiftly, all of my accounts started having the same issue as previously discussed by others. This leads me to believe that either Google had an "issue" with their OAuth token handling, or, they have been deploying something in different regions over the course of the last few days. One thing that triggered the same issue as you, Richard, was deployment of IPv6 support. Depending on $factors, sometimes my systems would be able to get an IPv6 connection to Gmail, other times it would only be IPv4 - but some IPv6 changes at my provider level also meant that every few hours I'd be getting a new /56 delegation (annoying) which resulted in lots of those sorts of messages. Not sure if that's in any way related to what's been going on with MailMate and Gmail the last few days -- my sense is that it's something at the Google end. After upgrading to the latest beta, and re-authenticating all of my accounts, the prompts have gone away. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Devonthink
On 25 Aug 2016, at 11:46, Jan Erik Moström wrote: On 25 Aug 2016, at 16:38, Howard Wettstein wrote: I’m intrigued by comments about Devonthink. Could someone give me a brief description of the program and how it works? I don’t mean a technical account, just a short message about how to use it, what it does, etc. Or a link to where I can find such a descriptions. I’ver used Evernote for years, love it, and it seems there is overlap. Devonthink is similar to Evernote in that you can store notes, pdfs, etc in a database. But Devonthink takes a different approach than Evernote. Thanks for the review. In DT, is the sync functionality included with the application? That is, if I buy a version, will it sync to other copies of that without an additional fee? I am a longterm EN user, but with their recent price increases, I am considering a move to OneNote or Notes (and now DT). S ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Editing learned recipients.
Hi, Whilst doing some testing I sent a number of messages to a temporary address which has since been learned by MailMate as a known-recipient -- thus, whenever I start typing the first few letters of that address, the autocomplete pops up with that as a suggestion. How can I erase that learned entry? It clashes with another address I use more frequently (which is a "Group" I've defined in Address Book), which is now more awkward to get to due to the similarity in the names. Mail.app lets you edit known recipients to clear things like this up, but, I'm not sure where to go in MailMate to do the same...and I'd prefer not to forget *all* learned addresses, but if that's the only way, I can probably live with that as well. Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Heads up for insanely early adopters: macOS Sierra and MailMate
Hi all, After a glass of wine it seemed like a fantastic idea to update my iMac to macOS Sierra Beta 1. Like all great ideas which are fuelled by fermented and/or distilled beverages, there have been moments of regret. MailMate *mostly* works, but, in case any of you were thinking of going this route, learn from my pain: 0) macOS Sierra is towards the Alpha side of Beta, don't expect things to work well, be happy anything works at all. Don't harass developers for support yet. 1) The Keychain seems to have been seriously overhauled, or, broken, depending upon how you look at it. This impacted MailMate for all stored credentials and having to re-enter them. Not a big deal, but, time consuming. 2) I use a private TLS protected mail server for my outgoing mail, with my own self-signed certificate protecting it. This caused MailMate to crash hard on Sierra. The fix was to use openssl to grab the PEM and import it into the Keychain with full Trust. No more MailMate crashing on sending SMTP. 3) MailMate can not see your Contacts/Address Book. This will be a deal blocker for most people - and indeed, it's been the biggest headache here. It can see its own internal list of previous recipients, which is good, but, that's it. I tried resetting the Address Book with tccutil, and whilst MailMate prompted for access, obviously something has changed in the format and nothing is actually seen (including in the Address panel in MailMate). Other than that, MailMate seems to be working okay. This is just a heads up for others, I don't expect Benny to make any changes to support Sierra for many months to come. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] NUL character warnings (v5246)
Hi, Yes, I got it at least twice in the last few days. Also with FastMail. It happened when I would try to send a message. Quitting and relaunching MailMate fixed it and allowed the message to be sent (I think I had FastMail open in the browser in the background and could see that the message was sent only after relaunching). My fix is typically to delete the offending message from my Sent Items list in MailMate, and then quit/restart and synchronise the mailbox, or, I will export the messages (this morning it was five or six messages) into an "mbox" format, then delete them from MailMate, quit MailMate, then use Mail.app to re-import them to IMAP (works fine), and re-start MailMate. Not ideal, but, it prevents me losing mail. (If it matters, Benny, I tend to use command-return as a shortcut to send messages) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] NUL character warnings (v5246)
Hi,
For the last few days I've been getting a LOT of these:
Server response: “I71 NO Message contains NUL characters”. Command
attempted: “I71 APPEND "INBOX.Sent Items" (\Seen) "20-May-2016
08:01:30 +1000" {696+}”.
The IMAP server is FastMail, but the problem only started happening
after a recent update in the last week.
I had this issue in the past, and I know roughly how to fix it, but, not
really sure what's repeatedly causing it.
Anyone else seeing this?
Scott
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Re: [MlMt] From vs. Sender
Hi, It's not clear to me that MailMate misbehaves though. This is also supported by the comment in the headers you provided: Comments: Did not say From: u...@company.com at sender's request This appears to mean that the sender did this intentionally. I'm not sure that is as literal as it may appear. ;-) It's a Mailman mailing list and the "Comments" value is the same (except for the username) for everyone that this is happening to. I'm not sure if it's a Mailman setting, for example, that's causing this. Since the clients are varied, and OS X Mail.app certainly doesn't have an option that I know of here, my hunch has been Mailman + MailMate's interpretation. Any way to get the u...@company.com to be recognised here? I guess it would be best if both addresses were easily accessible... It would be handy; as it is, I have to View Raw Message to figure out who sent something, extract the email address, and reply to that rather than the other values. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] From vs. Sender
Hi, On 10 March 2016, at 0305, Kee Hinckley wrote: I got a very confusing mail message today. I get this happening all the time with MailMate, but, it's not related to Exchange invitations. Indeed, I've no idea what is causing it, but the relevant headers are: From: mail-l...@domain.com (u...@company.com) To: "mailingl...@domain.com" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-MS-Exchange-Messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-Fromentityheader: Hosted Sender: mail-l...@domain.com Errors-To: mail-l...@domain.com List-Post: <mailto:mailingl...@domain.com> Comments: Did not say From: u...@company.com at sender's request Obviously, I've modified from the original, but, the result is the same - MailMate displays the "From" as "mail-l...@domain.com" rather than the actual user who sent the message. In my case, Sender is also not the actual user's address. Curiously, FastMail sees u...@company.com for the sending address, as does Mail.app - it's only MailMate which seems to get slightly confused. If I try to reply to these messages, the reply doesn't go to the user in MailMate, but does in FastMail/Mail.app/etc. Any way to get the u...@company.com to be recognised here? Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] THANKS!
It doesn't display the folder names under Virtual Mailboxes for me
when the virtual mailbox is for Unread messages.
This is due to something changing in how the Submailboxes of Smart
Mailboxes are displayed.
Until 5520, I had a Submailbox based on "Source" and the format was:
${#source.path.noinbox}
However, the ".noinbox" isn't recognised for some reason, so, changing
the Submailbox to be based on Source -> Path, and modifying the format
to:
${#source.path}
At least lets me see the values again.
Just a quick workaround...
Scott
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Re: [MlMt] THANKS!
Hi, It is about time I thank Benny *again* for the excellent support and cooperation. As some of you know, I started a discussion on this list regarding startup times being long. After testin, debugging, dumping, debugging and logging some more Benny now have a release of the code that do have optimizations and better code for the queries made for virtual mailboxes. As some of you thought, yes, that was the issue. Triggered by the combination of my large mailboxes and heavy use of virtual mailboxes. At the same time, a few more things where fixed -- as always. I am now on Version 1.9.4 (5220) and I can recommend it! It rulez! Outstanding, as always. Best email application I've used and incredible support. One glitch, however, with 5220: It doesn't display the folder names under Virtual Mailboxes for me when the virtual mailbox is for Unread messages. See screenshot. Tried restarting MailMate, no joy. Just a heads up for those of you who are living on the bleeding edge. Cheers, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Quick-search feature request.
Hi Thomas, On 28 January 2016, at 0921, Thomas Grundberg wrote: 2016-01-27 kl 22:13 skrev Scott A. McIntyre: Whilst I can do this by using the search box and just the email address, I was hoping to do it by simply clicking on an email address in an already open message. Maybe this is not exactly what you want, but a handy feature is to [right-click (ctrl-click) the sender’s name in the list pane](http://grundberg.se/temp/minim_deserunt.png). That is handy, yes, wasn't aware of that, and it may well work, as it does have the From/To option there. I'll use this in the meantime, thanks! Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Quick-search feature request.
Hi, One of the things I often need to do is determine if I've ever received, or sent, email to a particular address. Whilst I can do this by using the search box and just the email address, I was hoping to do it by simply clicking on an email address in an already open message. Right now, if I click on the From address, MailMate will ONLY look for messages from that email address. For the subject, it looks for all messages "related to" that address. And, of course, clicking on the To address looks for other messages to that same address. What I'd like, is a way to perhaps option-click on an address and have anything to/from it be found. Or some sort of a toggle to change the default click behaviour from "just from" to "to or from"...etc. As I say, I know this can easily be done by using the search features, but I was looking for a quick one-click solution here, if possible. Is there already a way to do this and I've missed it? Ta, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to make rules?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > > Something like that could be useful, but it's not straightforward. MailMate cannot > automatically guess which header is needed to match the message. In other > words, either the menu item needs to be specific like “Add rule based on sender > of this email” or MailMate can create a rule with multiple conditions of which > the user could delete those not needed. I'll give it some thought. That would be nice, though for myself I tend to use rules for either groups or people, so perhaps it could start to make a bit of a decision, e.g. If List-Id or X-Original-To then the default filter rule would be for the whole list, else default filter based on sender That would work for many of the ones I create at least. SwS ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] r5175 launch time.
Hi, But it's quite alright if you don't have time for that :-) I believe I found an issue which would explain the slower launch times in recent test releases. Please try again with r5179 and let me know. Yep, something you did definitely improved things. r5180 took only 8 seconds to re-launch *and* display the main window. Much, much better. Thanks! Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] r5175 launch time.
Hi, I managed to not update a few alpha releases in a row, but, between the last beta and r5175 "something happened" and launching MailMate now takes well over a minute before the main window appears. Not sure what is causing it, but, from the time the icon starts bouncing until the window appears is about 1 minute 15 seconds on my MacPro and RiMac; both of which were launching significantly faster until this (or a recent) update. It takes about a full minute *after* the icon stops bouncing ... Not sure if it's Just Me or not, but, it has been 100% repeatable across two systems. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Escaping from a search returns to the last message in a folder.
Hi, If I search for something, either using the search box in the corner, or, clicking on something like a subject or a sender in a currently displayed mail - then when I then type "escape" to exit out of the search-view, I'm returned to the very first message of my inbox. I think this has always been the case and its not new. To rephrase, if you search and read old mails, then hit "escape", then you remain on that old mail, but without the search interface. If you want to go back to the top of the list of mails, then you have to scroll up. Frankly, in some cases I find it useful since you are left in the context of that old mail, but yeah, sometimes you are done with old mail and want to get back to the new... Not quite. It literally goes to the very first message in my inbox for the account that I started the search from - it doesn't stay on the old message that I found in the search, it re-selects the very first (oldest) message in the mailbox that (likely) has nothing to do with the search. Example: Select Inbox for Home account. See most recent message at top. Click on most recent message to display. Now type "/ f wilbur" All messages from wilbur are now displayed. I scroll to one, select it, display it. Now I hit escape. I'm back at the Home inbox, but, MailMate is showing a message from Belinda, which happens to be the very first message (oldest) in the Inbox. The situation you describe was the old situation that I was happy with, but for the last week whenever I leave a search I'm taken to the oldest message in the inbox, if I was in the inbox when I started the search. scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Escaping from a search returns to the last message in a folder.
Hi, At some point in the last week or so, with the bleeding edge development version of MailMate (5143 at current count) developed an odd behaviour. If I search for something, either using the search box in the corner, or, clicking on something like a subject or a sender in a currently displayed mail - then when I then type "escape" to exit out of the search-view, I'm returned to the very first message of my inbox. As I sort my messages with the most recent at the top, I'm essentially being teleported to the very bottom, and have to scroll back up to where I was. This is definitely new behaviour, as I do these sorts of searches/clicking a lot Not sure if I've done a good job of explaining it, but, hopefully others can say if they've seen it, or Benny can confirm it's new behaviour or accidental or whatnot. Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Smart Folder column widths
Hi, Something may have changed in one of the recent betas/developer releases with how MailMate remembers columns in Smart Folders... I'm on r5121 at the moment, if that helps. Under the "Unread" smart folder the width for columns, especially the "Date Received" column, seems to keep being reset to something relatively narrow. I'll adjust it, but, as soon as all messages are read and the virtual-folder vanishes, and new mail is found at some time in the future, the columns are back to the way they were. I'm pretty sure this is changed behaviour, as I've used this Smart Folder for almost all of my mail reading since starting with MailMate, and spent a while laying it out Just Right... Folders themselves (not Smart Folders) seem to preserve the widths and whatnot correctly. Is it just me? Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Trouble connecting to iCloud (certificate validation)
Hi,
For the past few months, every now and again when MailMate tries to talk
to Apple's iCloud email infrastructure, a certificate validation error
occurs.
The certificate that MailMate reports is a wildcard for *.mail.me.com,
signed by Symantec ("Symantec Class 3 Secure Server CA - G4"), with a
serial number of 11 04 0c 72 fb d3 37 73 1f f4 f0 dc b3 c0 e7 17.
The error in MailMate/OS X is "This certificate was signed by an unknown
authority".
In my Keychain Manager I have a "Symantec Class 3 Public Primary
Certification Authority - G4" -- not quite the identical name, but, I'm
grabbing this from the pop-up that appears when MailMate connects, and
signing versus issuing may account for a slight discrepancy.
Decades of doing what I do for my day-job has me just paranoid enough to
raise an eyebrow on this one.
Has anyone else encountered this?
Thanks,
Scott
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Re: [MlMt] possibly unpopular feature request
Hi, The way that Apple Mail handles threads (new messages at the top of the conversation, no attempt at the mutt-style threading of individual replies) actually works far better for me than the way that MailMate currently does things. Again, I appreciate that my brain is broken and that I am wrong about many things. What are the chances that there could be a configurable option to use Mail.app-style presentation of threads as an alternative to what MailMate currently does? I'd like to make a somewhat tangential request here - I also *want* to use the Threading on MailMate, but, can't, due to the sheer volume, and indeed, how I prefer to sort messages, but part of what I do appreciate about Mail.app is that when you're not in thread mode, you can still visually see messages in the same thread in the message list pane. This makes it really easy to spot if you want to command-click and select/delete them all, or just want to visually scan where the messages are in the context of the rest of the folder. I'd really like some way to do this in MailMate. When I select a message that is in a thread, that some sort of obvious visual clue is given to change the colour of other messages in the mailbox list for messages in that same thread. Of course, this may already be possible and I just need to know the magic Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked
Hi, For what it's worth, MailMate currently doesn't interact directly with the OS X notification system. Instead MailMate relies on the third party Growl framework which uses the OS X notification system when Growl is not installed. But I consider to remove the dependence on Growl since I believe Growl hasn't been updated for quite a while. Anyone objecting to such a change can try writing me off list :-) Object, no! I wholeheartedly support the idea, and would love to see functionality that Mail.app’s notifications provide, specifically the ability to remove/delete a message from the notification itself. :) Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes. One of the most used features I have with MailMate right now is to see a notification (via Growl) come in for something I know is spam, or annoying, or not something I want - I then go to the menu bar, find the notification icon, click and go to the row for the notification for that mail item, and select delete. Often done before the Growl notification has ever left the screen. But to see the notification appear and have it have a button to "delete" right there, oh man, yes please! Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Dragging messages as an attachment (r5107)
Hi, With the current 5107 build, I can no longer drag a message from my message view onto an open compose window and have it attach. Instead, I get a: message://%3c51c9423a-61e2-4562-80cc-a7c5e2331...@gmail.com%3e Reference... Is this something I've done, or something MailMate's done? Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Folder preferences reset with recent Dev/Beta (at least 5095)
Hi, Not sure if that was intended behaviour; seems unlikely... No, it was certainly not intended. I've forgotten if something was broken in one of the test versions, but I did make a few changes to the handling of mailbox settings. Let me know if you can reproduce that MailMate loses mailbox settings. Yep, it's happening all the time now. I'm on the latest 5099 dev version, and several time this morning I've had to re-order columns in my Inbox after performing searches or other acts which apparently changed the columns and orders. After cancelling the search, it seemed to change the order of columns and keep them changed. Cheers, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Folder preferences reset with recent Dev/Beta (at least 5095)
Hi, Likely if you're using the latest beta or so, you've discovered this, but, all of the Folder View preferences have been lost somewhere in one of the last 5-6 developer/test/beta updates. I was away for a week, updated, and it looks like most folders are sitting with Thread mode enabled, different columns, in different orders, and ascending/descending preferences have been reset. Not sure if that was intended behaviour; seems unlikely... Cheers, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate Hanging during PGP sig verification
Hi, On 20 May 2015, at 23:30, Allie Martin wrote: On May 20, 2015 03:10:19 am GMT-5, "Benny Kjær Nielsen" wrote: I believe the delay is caused by `gpg2` checking an online server to find a public key. This is configurable (I cannot remember the setting, but you can google it). Ideally, MailMate should handle this in a separate thread. I see. I’ll look at the settings. The thing though is that the hang is really long and I eventually give in and force quit. If I disable verification, read the message and then reopen the message with verification enabled, the hang doesn’t occur. For what it is worth, that sounds atypical to the observed behaviour I've experienced. Whilst there is a delay, it's usually no more than a few seconds. I would love it if this was in another thread and happened in the background, but, it's typically only for keys not already on your keyring, and here is relatively brief. You may want to check your MacGPG installation and, in particular, how you have key servers set in gpg.conf. I'm using: keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve But there may be others who have suggestions on better settings. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Column for actual email address.
Hi, Is there some way to have a column in the message list for the actual email address of the sender? I also want the "From" value containing the real name / displayed namebut I'd like an additional column for the email address of the sender (and, actually, another for the recipient (everyone on the To)... Possible? Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] New compose window glitch.
Hi, For the past maybe 2 or so releases (so, very recently), I've noticed an odd glitch when I command-n to compose a new message. MOST of the time the window appears where I last saved my compose window, and with the same dimensions/size as before. But every now and then it appears somewhere completely different, and with a much smaller size than I typically use. I haven't been able to pin it down entirely, it doesn't seem to be triggered based upon the currently selected mailbox, but maybe there's some there's some other condition that's associated. Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but it's happened to me once today, a couple of times yesterday, and so on. Difficult to nail down, sorry, Benny. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] QuickLook HTML documents showing grey panel (r5078)
Hi, I've noticed this for a few types of email attachments, but, at the moment, it seems most repeatable with HTML -- basically, the attachments all list out at the bottom of the mail, but if I click on Quick Look, there's a display of the HTML for only a fraction of a second, before it turns into a grey panel. Curiously, a PDF Quick Looks just fine, as does a PNG, but at the moment, it's just HTML documents that aren't displaying. I've had this before with Word documents, can't recall if they were .doc or .docx, but at the moment .docx does seem to Quick Look fine. Just me? The HTML attachments render fine on iOS Mail or in Mail.app, or if I save them and open in Safari or whatnot, but, I'd prefer not to. Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] I do not have unread count for sub mailboxes anymore
Hi, Scott - thanks for confirming; I hope it will be fixed soon since as you i'm lost without them. Try the latest test release (r5075). I fixed a few issues related to submailboxes and hopefully this included your problem :-) woohoo - I'm no longer lost! thank you! Ditto! Confirmed, much, much happier! Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] I do not have unread count for sub mailboxes anymore
Hi, Quite the fascinating folder naming scheme! ;-) Kai PS: Seriously, is there something ready-made that can do this for me? View -> Distortion Mode. It's a feature built in to MailMatethat I keep forgetting about till times like this when it's super useful. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] I do not have unread count for sub mailboxes anymore
On 20 Mar 2015, at 2:41, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: Hi, I updated to latest version and I lost my unread count for submailboxes. Even if I right click and choose Displayed Count > Include submailboxes nothing shows up. Yep, welcome to the club. This one hit a couple of versions ago, but, Benny knows about it and I think is working on a fix. Particularly frustrating when I woke up this morning to nearly 600 new emails and can't quite tell where to start looking (see attached) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] r5073 compose window address visibility.
Hi, I am not 100% certain, but, I think this behaviour is something I've seen off and on in beta/test builds... The issue is that if I'm composing a message to several people, the "To" field sometimes, but not always, doesn't expand to show all recipients. The "blue box" of an address or two will be listed, but others will wrap beneath and lose visibility. They're still there, I can navigate with the arrow to show one line at a time, but that's not ideal. It's not always, it's only sometimes...anyone else seen (or not seen, as the case may be) this? Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] r5072 - Unread Smartfolder not displaying message count for sub-folders
Hi, With the latest Alpha, 5072, my Unread smart folder displays a total count of unread messages in all folders, but, when I expand the Unread folder it does not display the message count for each individual folder beneath it. It will display the name of the folder with unread messages, however. It was a premature release of a new feature. I've changed the feature and hopefully also fixed this bug. This is in the latest test release. 5073 is still doing this. FYI. Cheers, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] r5072 - Unread Smartfolder not displaying message count for sub-folders
Hi, new mail arrives and is detected in various folders, the Unread folder can have a dynamically updating list of how many unread messages are present in what folder. Might be a nice option. I'm not sure I follow. Can't you just leave it expanded? Does it collapse by itself? Yes. As soon as you've read the last unread message, the folder automatically collapses. And, as often happens, new mail arrives shortly thereafter and I'm left with "Unread38" (or whatever). It would just be a time-saver for me if the expanded view for that smart folder could stay expanded, but as folders get read (marked "Seen", which is how the Unread smart folder is set up -- folders where messages are not Seen), they would vanish from the list (and only re-appear when new mail is sorted into them). Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] r5072 - Unread Smartfolder not displaying message count for sub-folders
Hi, With the latest Alpha, 5072, my Unread smart folder displays a total count of unread messages in all folders, but, when I expand the Unread folder it does not display the message count for each individual folder beneath it. It will display the name of the folder with unread messages, however. Speaking of the Unread smart folder, it would be kind of nice if there was a way to always keep this folder in "expanded" mode - that way as new mail arrives and is detected in various folders, the Unread folder can have a dynamically updating list of how many unread messages are present in what folder. Might be a nice option. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] r5070 - UI issue with text entry (compose)
Hi, I've actually noticed this for a few versions now, but, in r5070 it seems worse. In earlier versions, if I were to reply to a message and paste a block (say, 20-30 lines) of text at the top (I hate top-quoting, but, let's worry about that problem later), the rest of the text in the compose window would be VERY slow to update, indeed, during the initial paste a few lines would disappear for half a second during a re-draw. With the current alpha build, any amount of text entry at the top of a message seems to create a very slow UI update for the rest of the text being pushed downwards. This is on a pretty well spec'd 64GB RAM laden new MacPro, so, confident the issue isn't my local hardware... Cheers, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Searching by Content-Type.
Hi, What's the best way to search my messages for: Content-Type: text/calendar; charset="utf-8"; method=REQUEST Or Content-Type: text/calendar; charset="utf-8"; method=CANCEL (or any other method) I'm trying to find all messages which contain meeting invitations. Most seem to appear as "Attachment.ics" in MailMate, but I can't seem to get the search for calendar entries to work for any of the Content-Type search options... Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons
Hi, Well, I might not have “finished” this feature, but it's certainly in a useful state now. Fetch the latest test release, read the instructions in the release notes, and try it out. Couple of bugs: 1) Select a mailbox, enter a word to search for in box, alt-enter. Matches display for that mailbox, but, clicking on one of the messages reverts the search to "All Mailboxes" and ends up displaying a *different* message than the one was clicked upon. Tested this with an INBOX as the original search mailbox. 2) Personal preference: If you "x" to clear a search in the search box, it should also have the effect of "-" to remove the search terms. Loving this feature though. Must send Benny more money. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons
Hi, Well, I might not have “finished” this feature, but it's certainly in a useful state now. Fetch the latest test release, read the instructions in the release notes, and try it out. Also, I believe I've fixed the worst bugs in the 64 bit version of MailMate. If recent releases have been unstable for you then try again now. Just started with new search bar enabled. This is amazing! nuff'said. Enter / Alt+Enter is a lifesafer and going to have fun learning the various qualifiers. Love it. GREAT start. And thank you for NOT making it live-updating. I'm sure some people would like that, but, that significantly slows things down, and this actually gives a super zippy result. I also like the idea of the keybinding option down the road, so that "/" or whatever triggers going to the search box. Very vi-like, I appreciated that suggestion. ;-) The keywords may be something you want to think about, possibly adding punctuation like "m:" or "f:" -- I don't think I can search for the letter "m" as a single letter in my messages, for example. Odd as it may sound, that's the sort of thing I need to do from time to time. GREAT stuff Benny, thank you so much!! Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] suggestion - search buttons
Hi, But anyway, once we get the cool Google like search field where I can type "from:foo AND to:bar", then this point will be a moot point... Oh man, I'd pay a reasonable sum of money to have a search interface like this, using the various key-words from the drop downs instead of the dropdown. "from:*.domain.com before:01-12-2014 after:17-03-2013 NOT (subject:"Invoice*" OR from:landl...@evil.com)" Implicit "and" between operations, etc etc. Oh yes. $50? $100? $250? The way I use MailMate, likely the latter. More? Drool. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Bug that's tough to replicate: ddoouubbllee..
Hi, Tough bug for me to replicate, but, it's happened three times this morning with v5035. When a message is selected I bring up the "Move To" panel and start typing the name of a folder. Sometimes, but not always, every letter I press is duplicated for input in MailMate's search box. Instead of "wife" being typed, it will be wwiiffee, for which there is no match.. The only way to fix it is to close the Move To panel and re-open it, which typically makes it all work again. Not sure if there's an easy way for you to look at this Benny, or if anyone else is seeing it... Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mail archiving best practice
Hi, Any advice on best practice for archiving emails from MailMate? My preference is to archive in DevonThink, which holds my email archives from the mid 2000s. But it seems that MailMate and Devonthink don't hook up, so I'm looking for other robust options that are Spotlight searchable. Any advice appreciated. I'd like to do this in a more automated fashion as well - I've returned to DevonThink pretty heavily lately and would like my mail there as well. The issue is, and Benny will correct me if I'm wrong, that MailMate doesn't do mbox; it's IMAP only. As such, you're really somewhat stuck putting it into a local archive. When I want to archive something off of an IMAP server, I tend to run Mail.app, save the folder as a local mbox archive, and either import that to DevonThink, or, keep it in Tresorit (secure cloudy hosting) or just keep it on my backup drives. It WOULD be nice if MailMate could archive an IMAP folder as Maildir format, or mbox, but I know that isn't really where the product is heading. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Opening .eml attachments.
Hi, I've been sent/forwarded some emails by others, but MailMate doesn't seem to be opening them. Standard .eml format - no winmail.dat evil -- but whenever I tell MailMate to open the attachment, it pops over to Mail.app. So I tried saving and then opening specifically with MailMate (Open With ->..) -- alas, that just opens that email up as an attachment for a new message. Now, I can Import the .eml, but for some reason that sent it to the Archive folder on my iCloud account (that was not the currently selected mailbox when I did the Import). Is there a way to natively just open/view a .eml email attachment, or a better way to deal with them in MailMate? Thanks, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Bulk deletion.
Hi, Sometimes nothing happens. Sometimes one of the messages deletes...but I can't think of a time when they all actually seem to delete. This is new to me. Do you think it is a recent problem (64 bit betas)? No, it's been here for months, perhaps as long as I've used MailMate, but I only got around to whinging about it now. Contrasted with Mail.app where if I select a range of messages or all messages in a folder, read or unread, and hit backspace/delete, they're gone... Hmm, I guess that rules out the Sieve theory. Yeah, it's not Sieve, but, the problem seems to be confined to the Smart Mailbox I've created for "Unread" messages. If I go directly to a folder, it works. Happy to look at the MSG ID route, but, it's entirely consistent for me with Smart Folder / Smart Mailboxes -- If I have 10 messages, select any one of them, then select-all, and hit delete (d or the Delete button) then only the first message is deleted). If I try the same thing in the mailbox itself, it works. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Bulk deletion.
Hi, A curiosity I've noticed with MailMate is that if I have a lot of messages to delete, it won't reliably do so unless I've read them, or marked them as read, first. On some mailing lists I'm on (not MailMate..) there are entire threads which may arrive over the course of a few hours and I have no interest in them, or just a lot of messages in a row from a broken cron job. I'll go to the Unread smart-folder I've created, see the list of messages in that particular Sieve-sorted folder, command-a to select all messages, and hit delete. Sometimes nothing happens. Sometimes one of the messages deletes...but I can't think of a time when they all actually seem to delete. However, if I first mark them all as read and THEN delete, it seems to take. Contrasted with Mail.app where if I select a range of messages or all messages in a folder, read or unread, and hit backspace/delete, they're gone... Something to look at, or is it Just Me? Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Forwarding mails with attachments
Hi Roland, On 20 Oct 2014, at 8:11, Roland wrote: Hi, nobody here that could help with this or encountered the same? On 13.10.2014 22:03, Roland wrote: I sometimes notice that some mails (usually those who have attachments, it seems) are always forwarded as an attachment and not inline, so I can't change details like removing from addresses or signatures. Is there some option to prevent this? Yep, I've noticed this as well. I've never worked out exactly the scenario when one or the other happens - but my sense is it has to do with the MIME types detected in the original mail. If the message is nothing other than ASCII/plain text, it will likely be able to easily forward inline. However, if it is multipart/mixed, MailMate probably tries to do the safe thing and forward as an attachment. I generally prefer forwarding inline; but I haven't looked for a way to always do that, stripping out any bits that may make it less feasible. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] OnOver URL
Hi, Did something change with a recent MailMate Alpha/Beta such that it no longer displays URLs when the cursor is hovering over a link? Was quite handy for dealing with phishing - not sure if it was MailMate or Yosemite that changed. Cheers, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Cannot connect to iCloud mailbox
On 8 Oct 2014, at 8:35, Steve Mayer wrote: Scott, You should have received an email from Apple a few weeks back concerning the requirement of using app specific passwords for third party apps accessing iCloud. It appears they turned this on today. I was able to generate an app specific password for MailMate and the login worked again fine. Great tip, Steve, thanks. That was it indeed. I've had so many mails from Apple for dev testing on 10.10 that this particular one slipped by me. Worth noting for others! Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Cannot connect to iCloud mailbox
Hi, For what it's worth, as of a few minutes ago MailMate seems unable to authenticate to iCloud for email again. Server response: “A0 NO [AUTHENTICATIONFAILED] Authentication failed”. Command attempted: “A0 AUTHENTICATE PLAIN ••”. However, it works fine for Mail.app and iCloud -- and yes, my IMAP username is only the username component, not the domain. Not sure if this is an Apple issue or MailMate issue; I updated to the latest Alpha and that's when I've been stuck unable to authenticate. Cheers, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest test release, Yosemite, Exchange IMAP, and more
Hi, Nevertheless, if you do not mind the memory usage and you are prepared to run an **alpha** (unstable) version of MailMate then here is a direct link: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5000.tbz The revision number is **a hack** and you should not expect automatic updates to work. Interesting issue here - if I try to double click to launch this version, Finder reports that the application is damaged and I should move it to the trash. This is on the latest 10.10 beta (Developer, not Public Beta). If I launch it manually from the command line I get: objc[10427]: Class BundleMenuDelegate is implemented in both /Users/me/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Frameworks/BundleMenu.dylib and /Users/me/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate. One of the two will be used. Which one is undefined. But it DOES launch. Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
