Re: [MBZ] Looking for a 124 Oil Pan
I found one, used with no cracks for $125, so that isn't bad. I have read online that I can remove and replace without taking the engine out. Ben bd...@prodigy.net From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 6:45:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a 124 Oil Pan I don't know about that - it warped quite a lot during welding, and had to be baked and flattened - just didn't quite get it there (flat). Maybe if you had an old block to bolt it to while welding, and could heat the whole thing, then let it cool down slowly, it would be OK. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: or, a better welder OK Don wrote: Yes - that was me. Though the welder trie, it idn't come out perfectly flat. If I torqued one of the bolts at the rear flange properly, it leaked oil. If I backed it off about 30%, it didn't leak, so I cleaned it as best I could, applied blue locktite, and left it that way. A used pan would be preferable. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/c79afd63/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/c6a96e3f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for a 124 Oil Pan
you might have to jack it up though (from above), not sure. Ben wrote: I found one, used with no cracks for $125, so that isn't bad. I have read online that I can remove and replace without taking the engine out. Ben bd...@prodigy.net From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 6:45:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a 124 Oil Pan I don't know about that - it warped quite a lot during welding, and had to be baked and flattened - just didn't quite get it there (flat). Maybe if you had an old block to bolt it to while welding, and could heat the whole thing, then let it cool down slowly, it would be OK. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: or, a better welder OK Don wrote: Yes - that was me. Though the welder trie, it idn't come out perfectly flat. If I torqued one of the bolts at the rear flange properly, it leaked oil. If I backed it off about 30%, it didn't leak, so I cleaned it as best I could, applied blue locktite, and left it that way. A used pan would be preferable. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 01/30/09 17:31:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
One could pick up a bit of money doing proms and weddings. Any kid can rent a stretch Lincoln or Caddy, but when there is only one Benz limo in town ... On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Manual windows, manual climate controls -- would almost think this is a euro taxi not a limousine except for the automatic transmission. But still looks pretty nice. Would definitely be a vehicle that takes its own sweet time, with the slushbox and no turbo. Allan To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/62a76b37/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: One could pick up a bit of money doing proms and weddings. Any kid can rent a stretch Lincoln or Caddy, but when there is only one Benz limo in town ... The stinky diesel smoke might take the gloss of that idea for a lot of kids... Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
That is why they pay in advance. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes:. The stinky diesel smoke might take the gloss of that idea for a lot of kids... Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/7a9ac0b8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled
Yes, There is a strainer in the tank , where the outlet nose comes out. takes a 17mm crow-foot and a 2 5/16 socket on a 123. When you take off the fuel filler cap, do you hear a whoosh? if so, your vent line is plugged. You may just be starving it for fuel. The vent line is a lot easier than crawling under, getting a face and arms full of diesel fuel to get the tank drained and pull the screen. If you try to drain the tank, get new hose stubs first from Rusty. Unless yours have been replaced in the last 5 yrs, they need to be replaced. Often that solves the fuel starvation problems, as the hoses don't leak fuel, but will draw in air, causing fuel starvation. they are threaded on on the tank end and plain hose for a clamp on the other. Get new clamps also. I've had to use a dremel to cut them off. If you are really cheap like me, you cut the ferrules off the threaded end of the hose, and just buy new hose and 4 hose clamps. that is a little tougher on the 123 on the suction side, as you have to fit the clamp so the seal cover fits back on right. But it CAN be done. I've never had gelling until it is below zero., usually under 10 below. At 07:08 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote: I don't have gelling problems in 20 degree weather. It is low teens and below where the problem surfaces. I replaced both fuel filters and it still happens. Screen? Do you mean in the tank? Dimitri --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Keep getting gelled To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 7:00 PM B2 to B5 should not cause a noticeable difference in the real world. In a lab you might be able to detect a repeatable fraction of a degree variation. At 20-25 degrees F, the regular #2 should be ok too. Are you sure there is not a plugged screen, plugged vent, plugged fuel filter or similar problem? Air leaking into the lines can wreak havoc too. At 04:43 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote: Would small amount of biodiesel such as B2 or B5 cause the fuel to gel at higher temps? This 240D I have seems to like to gel up. The 73 220D which I'm in the process of restoring rarely had gelling issues. It's basically the same engine so I don't know why that is. I actually used to use B100 in that car and in cold - around 20-25 degrees F the biodiesel would turn to a slurry and miraculously the car would actually run! Dimitri Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/1112f872/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
Allan Streib wrote: Manual windows, manual climate controls -- would almost think this is a euro taxi not a limousine except for the automatic transmission. But still looks pretty nice. Would definitely be a vehicle that takes its own sweet time, with the slushbox and no turbo. Surprisingly, it looks like it should be exactly as fast as a standard non-turbo 300D. The W 300D has a 3.46 rear end while the LWB V 300D has a 3.96, and the TDM says they should both hit 100kph in 19.2 seconds with the autosuck, despite the long one weighing an extra 180 kilos. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
I'm listening and if you want to supply the extra money then I'll do it that way. Like I said I love the idea of a lighter engine. I'm looking at an old 2wd 86 Cherokee with over 250,000 miles on it. It has a 4cyl gasser and a 5speed that could do with at least new syncros. Why would I want to put $2000-$3000 or more into it when I can get an older 5cyl turbo and tranny for $1000 or less around here slap it in and be done with it for at least another 100,000mi. Manfred Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:38:51 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters I think you're not listening, the TDI has a big history with this, lots of people have already done the legwork for you. Besides why aren't you using the Jeep's transmission? Is this a 4wd? Whatcha gonna do for a transfer case? You want the Jeep's (or a Jeep's) transmission... Just get the right adapter to fit whatever engine to your trans and off you go. If it were me I'd go 602 or TDI. For Project X I'll be going 617 (or big truck engine) because a 1 ton old pickup ought to have something more industrial -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone frequently visit the local pick pull
Hebert -- Disregard. Just bought one on eBay. But thanks for the offer. -- Don On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:06 PM, herbert and rogeria faria faria1...@hotmail.com wrote: I allways visit the junk yards I will take a look for you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/b564854f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
And that is the sweet smell of french fries anyway! Gasoline stinks! At 07:58 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote: That is why they pay in advance. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes:. The stinky diesel smoke might take the gloss of that idea for a lot of kids... Allan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/7a9ac0b8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
Chris, I was thinking that might make a good car for you! holds more than one adult and 4 kids. I think it would be fun to have one if I didn't have so much junk already! At 06:45 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote: been wondering what we could do with the om603 engine and trans that's coming out of his 300TD...that would solve the acceleration problem on that car. CM Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Re OT: BMW diesel ad
While working in Belgium, last December, my rental car was a BMW 318d. It was a very nice car and did everything I needed very well. During my couple weeks of travel, the bimmer averaged 4.9 to 5.2 liters/100km. That is 45 to 47 mpg. Wish I could buy one in the US. But the price would probably scare me off. Ned Kleinhenz 95 E300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/62380131/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
Maybe my wife will go for it...then we could ditch the 15 passenger behemoth :-) Chris --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 8:19 PM Chris, I was thinking that might make a good car for you! holds more than one adult and 4 kids. I think it would be fun to have one if I didn't have so much junk already! At 06:45 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote: been wondering what we could do with the om603 engine and trans that's coming out of his 300TD...that would solve the acceleration problem on that car. CM Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT]Was Airbus Comments, now Unsage at Any Speed
The original design had a hook under the control arm that prevented it dropping too far. This is vastly better than a sway bar, as a sway bar won't do diddly for rear end lift due to braking. VWs tend to flip over, too, but in those had a better geometry and much less hp (astonishingly less on the old ones). The management (notably Ed Cole) removed the hook because it was too expensive. Cost every upper level manager with a teenager a serious accident -- some were killed. The Corvair disaster cost GM a pile of engineers -- they quit in disgust (and fear of being sued) and went to work for Ford and Chrysler, some even to AMC. I think one of them was Lee Iococa, who then ended up working on the Mustang and going to Chrysler. Peter On Feb 8, 2009, at 4:14 PM, barry Stark wrote: Peter - True, the first three years of the Corvair with the swing axles were roll over cars as were the early VW bugs. In fact one of my high school teachers had a '61 Corvair that his wife was driving when it rolled over. The usual cause, go over a whoop de do and then turn into a tight curve. Caused the rear wheel track to shrink and the wheels to have a highly positive camber. Perfect formula for a roll over. She came out all right though, largely attributed to the fact that she was wearing a bunch of curlers in her hair and they said that they acted like a helmet to some extent and saved her from getting a concussion. If you remember the '60s bouffant hairdos you will understand why. GMC did substantially reduce the roll over effect in late '63 with a beefy anti-sway bar much like the ones in our MBs, and in '85 they went to a double jointed rear axle, again very much like our MBs, well no, actually just like the Corvettes of that vintage. With decent shocks and wider tires the later 'Vairs handled pretty well. A friend and I built a '65 'Vair that would outrun 911's on the open road. Of course on a track I'm sure it would have been a very different story. It was basically a stock chassis with stock brakes and it had a rather unnerving tendency to get very light on the front wheels if you stood on it very hard. (:O Needless to say we had a lot of fun with the car but it was so overpowered it had some issues. I think it got about 2 miles to the gallon of premium fuel. The L60-14 tires didn't last long either as I recall. Had to keep off the foot feed in second gear or they would just spin a lot. We had to replace the main bearings about every 200 miles. We felt that the crankcase halves just weren't up to the task, and then there was the problem of the cam timing gear wanting to walk off the end of the cam. The cam gear was pressed onto the end of the cam and that just wasn't good enough for the loads imposed by the heavier springs and the extreme lift. The addition of a couple of set screws seems to minimize the effect. I know this seems a little mickey but after all we were just weekend racers working out of his welding shop with very limited funds. Barry -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT]Was Airbus Comments, now Unsage at Any Speed Actually, it was worse than a design error. It was the deliberate removal of a designed safety device (the camber limiter on the rear axles to prevent jacking the rear end up) by upper management to save $1.50 per car that made the Corvair a death trap. Besides the fact, that like all GM products as the time, all there was to the body as a single layer sheet metal box. Squashed flat if you jumped on the top of the car, let alone hit anything. Peter On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote: I remember Unsafe at any speed?. The author bashed the Chevy Corvair for design issues that affected all cars of the 60s. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
Because when some idiot steals it and drives it at 120 and a tire blows, YOU are liable for his injuries because you put tires on the car that weren't good enough for how fast it would go. Peter On Feb 8, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? The car is never going to go anywhere near that fast. It really narrows down the selection and raises the price. Why cant a T=118mph tire be used? That opens up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices. This same thing could also be said for 124's 126 and so on. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turbo Care
And idle down before parking and shutting off. This actually means don't pull off the interstate into a rest stop and shut the car off instantly, almost every other circumstance I can think of involves some idle time before you actually park. This is much less of an issue for a diesel than for a gasser, as the exhaust is much cooler on the diesel off load. Peter On Feb 8, 2009, at 5:58 PM, LarryT wrote: Hello All - Was reading the tech section at the MB Owners Club site and they talked about how different components have various life spans. They talked of a Turbo having a long life if properly maintained. Only problem is, I cannot find the maintenance requirements of a turbo. Any idea what they expect to be done - either by the owner or by a stealership technician to extend the life of a turbo? . Thanks! Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:44:47 -0600 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote: ... as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Maybe you should take the valve stem caps off before you go there. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Airbus Comments
You had a very heavy aircraft not designed to glide very far which suddenly lost power at 3000 feet, in what was most likely in a nose-up climb attitude. I think the Hudson was a no-brainer, as there was apparently not sufficient altitude / glide ratio to make a suitable runway. What was the time between bird strike and splash, three minutes? That isn't a long time to make decisions. Having lived in New York City (Governors Island), I can't imagine a worse place in the US to suddenly go from powered flight to looking for maximum glide. This is not the first aircraft to put down in the Hudson -- there were several of these, although smaller aircraft, during the years I lived and worked along the river. In fact, it was those that didn't go for the water -- mostly helicopters -- that ended up making the local news, complete with film of the smoking wreckage on top of some Brooklyn building. I have a pretty high confidence factor (based on my Coast Guard experience) that a flock of birds going into the turbine blades will break enough stuff that the engines will stop producing thrust, regardless of what a computer does or does not do. I am somewhat amazed (but happily so) that bits of the turbines didn't do some other damage other than ceasing to produce forward thrust. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: The argument was that it was a crippled airplane that may have been flyable, at least enough to return home and that the software turned off the engines. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/33967651/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Was a lovely day today
Got to about 70F, clear skies, light breeze, mama's new SD got a wash and polish, looks mighty fine. I am not partial to white cars, but that ivory color sure does shine up nice and pretty. Afterwards took the doggies to the beach and it was gorgeous, only about 6 people out there with dogs today on one of the most beautiful beaches I have been on. Tomorrow to be similar. Looked liked some fish might be out there on the inlet, washing/waxing cars or fishing in the kayaks? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
Having researched the 123LWb for several years before purchasing one myself, I learned a lot about both the gas and diesel versions. The diesels were designed specifically for taxi service, and were purposely geared for driving in city traffic. Many (more like most) of the 123LWB diesels that made it over here did so after they were taken out of service as commercial vehicles in western Europe, mostly in Belgium from what I could tell. I'm a little surprised this one has MBTex rather than velour or cloth, which was typically used, but then again, you could order them any way you wanted. At least it has manual climate control. It should also have 15 wheels, rather than the stock 14. Dan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:03 PM Allan Streib wrote: Manual windows, manual climate controls -- would almost think this is a euro taxi not a limousine except for the automatic transmission. But still looks pretty nice. Would definitely be a vehicle that takes its own sweet time, with the slushbox and no turbo. Surprisingly, it looks like it should be exactly as fast as a standard non-turbo 300D. The W 300D has a 3.46 rear end while the LWB V 300D has a 3.96, and the TDM says they should both hit 100kph in 19.2 seconds with the autosuck, despite the long one weighing an extra 180 kilos. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cbe6a715/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: programmable thermostats
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:20:16 -0600 John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: http://www.alpinehomeair.com/viewproduct.cfm?productID=453055819 Check out the install instructions. You can tell the PID controller how aggressive its gains need to be, you can set the cycles per hour Sounds very flexible! Also, the thermostat will guarantee that the compressor has five minutes of off time between cycles to prevent damage to the compressor (say there is a power outage or something). We don't have any compressors so that's not a concern. Total overkill, but I'm a gadget freak... I understand. The thermostat may not be worth the $200 price tag in my area, but as cold as it gets up there you might recover it in fairly short order. The one you mentioned is 3 stages of heat and 2 of cool. All we need is one stage of heat. The TH8110U1003 does the job we need and is cheaper at other websites, specifically, http://www.pexsupply.com/categories.asp?cID=394brandid= Maybe there are some of these hidden settings in your thermostat? All of those settings I talked about are in the hidden install menu. Not a chance ... HTH Yes. John the blabbering gadget freak Blabber away. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for a 124 Oil Pan
Yeah, I think if you could preheat it before applying the weld, it would have been better. A couple of friends and I build up an engine once (aluminum block). As the power was upped a lot, we decided to beef up the cradle around the crank. It was sent out for the job, but the block wasn't preheated, so once the added fins and supports cooled, they pulled the block and bores out of round. The block was toast and only good as a coffee table after that. Got it right the second time, until one of the cylinders decided it didn't want to play with the rest of it's friends, and left. hee hee. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 OK Don okd...@gmail.com I don't know about that - it warped quite a lot during welding, and had to be baked and flattened - just didn't quite get it there (flat). Maybe if you had an old block to bolt it to while welding, and could heat the whole thing, then let it cool down slowly, it would be OK. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: or, a better welder OK Don wrote: Yes - that was me. Though the welder trie, it idn't come out perfectly flat. If I torqued one of the bolts at the rear flange properly, it leaked oil. If I backed it off about 30%, it didn't leak, so I cleaned it as best I could, applied blue locktite, and left it that way. A used pan would be preferable. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/c79afd63/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/05963b03/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for a 124 Oil Pan
I changed a 603 oil pan in a 126 (SDL) in the car - I did have to un-bolt the engine mounts and lift the engine with a hoist, as well as remove the drag link and steering shock. YMMV. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: you might have to jack it up though (from above), not sure. Ben wrote: I found one, used with no cracks for $125, so that isn't bad. I have read online that I can remove and replace without taking the engine out. Ben bd...@prodigy.net -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/ac2e9501/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Oz fires
My grandson spent a semester on a college exchange program and he loved Australia. Worked for a Rugby team through arrangement with the university. He sky-dived, bungee jumped, scuba dived off the Great Barrier Reef, and sailed off a mountain with a Rogallo wing. A friends daughter is married to an Aussie who has a home renovation business someplace up the east coast. They invited us both to visit when my wife was alive and the invitation probably still stands. Might take them up on it some day. Gerry --- We may get one or two light sprinklings on top of Mount Lofty in a year but no, we don't get snow as such. We don't even get rain anymore. Ozland does have snowfields but you lot would laugh at them. Hendrik Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:46:26 +1030 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: If you want you can google earth or map deneland drive, hawthorndene SA. If you are clever enough you can probably work out which house I live in. Hendrik My guess would be the house on the south side of the road nearest Myrtle, but I'm probably not clever enough. There are sure a lot of swimming pools in the area. With as far south as you are, I guess you get snow in the winter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/07/09 13:39:00 -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 02/07/09 13:39:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
You are probably right. A friend of mine bought one of the high performance 5 series BMWs a few years ago and his tires only lasted 9000 miles. But the issue wasn't the speed rating, it was the rubber compound. The tires on his BMW were Z rated! When he went back to the Stealership for new tires, they would only mount the originals and they explained that the replacements also had no mileage rating. I don't remember what brand he went to but he found an American Z rated tire that lasted 30,000 miles. The replacements also did not come with a mileage warranty. I have to admit - it is a very tight car, but the sidewalls on a Z rated tire have almost no give. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb e6a715/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
What's a good price for the lwb 300D on ebay? Chris --- On Sun, 2/8/09, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:08 PM Having researched the 123LWb for several years before purchasing one myself, I learned a lot about both the gas and diesel versions. The diesels were designed specifically for taxi service, and were purposely geared for driving in city traffic. Many (more like most) of the 123LWB diesels that made it over here did so after they were taken out of service as commercial vehicles in western Europe, mostly in Belgium from what I could tell. I'm a little surprised this one has MBTex rather than velour or cloth, which was typically used, but then again, you could order them any way you wanted. At least it has manual climate control. It should also have 15 wheels, rather than the stock 14. Dan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:03 PM Allan Streib wrote: Manual windows, manual climate controls -- would almost think this is a euro taxi not a limousine except for the automatic transmission. But still looks pretty nice. Would definitely be a vehicle that takes its own sweet time, with the slushbox and no turbo. Surprisingly, it looks like it should be exactly as fast as a standard non-turbo 300D. The W 300D has a 3.46 rear end while the LWB V 300D has a 3.96, and the TDM says they should both hit 100kph in 19.2 seconds with the autosuck, despite the long one weighing an extra 180 kilos. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] It's got cop tires, cop engine and will run on bio Diesel, whatdaya say is it the new blues mobile?
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Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
There are too few sold to come up with a price. I wonder if its a flood car? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Christopher McCann Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123? What's a good price for the lwb 300D on ebay? Chris --- On Sun, 2/8/09, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:08 PM Having researched the 123LWb for several years before purchasing one myself, I learned a lot about both the gas and diesel versions. The diesels were designed specifically for taxi service, and were purposely geared for driving in city traffic. Many (more like most) of the 123LWB diesels that made it over here did so after they were taken out of service as commercial vehicles in western Europe, mostly in Belgium from what I could tell. I'm a little surprised this one has MBTex rather than velour or cloth, which was typically used, but then again, you could order them any way you wanted. At least it has manual climate control. It should also have 15 wheels, rather than the stock 14. Dan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:03 PM Allan Streib wrote: Manual windows, manual climate controls -- would almost think this is a euro taxi not a limousine except for the automatic transmission. But still looks pretty nice. Would definitely be a vehicle that takes its own sweet time, with the slushbox and no turbo. Surprisingly, it looks like it should be exactly as fast as a standard non-turbo 300D. The W 300D has a 3.46 rear end while the LWB V 300D has a 3.96, and the TDM says they should both hit 100kph in 19.2 seconds with the autosuck, despite the long one weighing an extra 180 kilos. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was a lovely day today
Kayaks over waxing cars, any day! Need to get our Greenland II wet again -- soon. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Got to about 70F, clear skies, light breeze, mama's new SD got a wash and polish, looks mighty fine. I am not partial to white cars, but that ivory color sure does shine up nice and pretty. Afterwards took the doggies to the beach and it was gorgeous, only about 6 people out there with dogs today on one of the most beautiful beaches I have been on. Tomorrow to be similar. Looked liked some fish might be out there on the inlet, washing/waxing cars or fishing in the kayaks? --R -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/3140d06b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Was a lovely day today
By ivory, do you mean the very light yellow? I like that color, too. My 81 300D was that color. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] Was a lovely day today Got to about 70F, clear skies, light breeze, mama's new SD got a wash and polish, looks mighty fine. I am not partial to white cars, but that ivory color sure does shine up nice and pretty. Afterwards took the doggies to the beach and it was gorgeous, only about 6 people out there with dogs today on one of the most beautiful beaches I have been on. Tomorrow to be similar. Looked liked some fish might be out there on the inlet, washing/waxing cars or fishing in the kayaks? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net writes: I wonder if it’s a flood car? I wondered the same thing -- New Orleans Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [OT]Was Airbus Comments, now Unsage at Any Speed
The first years were the ones with no rear suspension travel limit and the problem was solved in the 1964 model. Nader's biggest gripe was the fact that if the car was hit hard enough from behind, the sheet metal would jamb together and the doors could not be opened. But this was a problem with all uni-body cars made in the 60s. At least the Corvair did not have the exploding gas tanks like Ford did - the one that finally got them in trouble in the 70s. Nor did they have the steering wheel that would break away and impale the driver like the Toyotas did all the way through the late 70s. The list goes on and on.. In retrospect, except for the leaky pushrod tubes, the 1964 - 1969 Corvair was not a bad car for its era. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 2:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [OT]Was Airbus Comments, now Unsage at Any Speed Actually, it was worse than a design error. It was the deliberate removal of a designed safety device (the camber limiter on the rear axles to prevent jacking the rear end up) by upper management to save $1.50 per car that made the Corvair a death trap. Besides the fact, that like all GM products as the time, all there was to the body as a single layer sheet metal box. Squashed flat if you jumped on the top of the car, let alone hit anything. Peter On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote: I remember Unsafe at any speed?. The author bashed the Chevy Corvair for design issues that affected all cars of the 60s. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes- boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Comments I agree 100% One of the reasons I rarely fly, is the proliferation of airbus junk into the US fleet. The fly by wire system has caused crash after crash, and the company bears no responsibility. I'd rather fly on an old DC 9 or DC 10 or 40 year old 737s than trust my life to an airbus that nobody has control of. Remember Unsafe at any speed? That is my humble opinion of airbus. At 09:16 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: From a friend who was a USAF test pilot and is retired Delta pilot. The opinions aren't his but he forwarded si I guess he agrees. The press is having a field day turning Sully Sullenberger into a Lindbergh-like hero. I attended his welcoming home reception in Danville, CA last weekend... me and the estimated 3000 other attendees. All credit is given to him and his crew, but they will be the first to tell you, they just did their jobs. They did them well, but when your job entails holding the lives of hundreds of people in your hands every time you fly, then doing your job well is the minimum acceptable standard. I don't, and I doubt if more than just a handful of other pilots, begrudge Sully his day in the sun. What I am concerned about is how the real cause of this accident is being glossed over and, on the part of Airbus Industries, actually lied about. There are stories circulating now about how the flight computers helped save the aircraft by insuring the ditching was done properly. The stories themselves are absolute nonsense and the contention that the flight computers ensured the proper attitude was maintained for ditching is pure fabrication. So what's wrong with Airbus wanting to steal a little glory for their computerized drones? There is a good chance it was the computers that put the aircraft into the water! I readily admit I heartily dislike Airbus because of their design philosophy, I will never set foot in an A-380 (the superjumbo) as I consider it a really bad accident looking for a place to happen. I am not much happier with the rest of them but especially the A-320 which has killed several folks, while the engineers try to perfect software that can replace a human brain that has a talent for flying... something that I, rather naturally, don't believe possible. It is well known that I love Boeings. I love to fly them. Beyond the sheer joy of just flying the Boeing, I also believe in their design philosophy that the last word has to be with the pilot, not the machine. No pilot, no matter how hard he tries, can turn an A-320 upside down. It just won't do it. Airbus believes it has designed a computer that is smarter than a pilot (the evidence of dead bodies scattered around Mulhouse, France to the contrary) and gives the last word to the computer. If a pilot moves the controls so as to turn the airplane upside down, the computer will refuse. I can turn the B777 upside down.
Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?
Could explain why it has a tex interior. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123? Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net writes: I wonder if it’s a flood car? I wondered the same thing -- New Orleans Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Airbus Comments
My understanding is that the right one stayed on the wing and they recovered the left one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 2:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Comments Tom Hargrave wrote: The FAA's engine investigation will tell all. I thought the engines were going to stay on the bottom of the Hudson. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] What to do when your hood star is stolen
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[MBZ] Those CL cars from Seattle
Bored and there seems to be a need for pretty cars from out west, so here you go. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1026717670.html -- 57 Ponton $800 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1026590936.html - 76 207D $12k http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1026427040.html - 91 E $650 http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/1026315909.html -- 93 SE $4500 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1025696780.html - GD $15k http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1025573421.html -- 61 190 $800 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/1024990502.html - 97 e320 $6k http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1025130950.html - 95 SD $10k http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1025077405.html - 97 e320 47k http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/1024276938.html - 62 190D http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1024202347.html - KLEB truck http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1023721814.html - 66 SL 13k http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ctd/1023695737.html - SDL $3k http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1022629610.html -2 Finnys 4850 -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Turbo Care
Where would you suggest buying a exhaust gas pyrometer? Luther Loren Faeth wrote: When driving a turbo, or any Diesel for that matter, it is best to drive sedately until it is fully warmed up (normal oil temp, not water temp) that is under 1/2, 2/3 or 3/4 throttle depending on how many cylinders you have. A 4 cyl MB is in the 2/3 to 3/4 range. and SDL is in the 1/2 throttle range. When coming down after a highway run, you should allow the engine and turbo to cool down with about 5 min of coasting, idling and/or sedate driving before shutting off the engine. This diminished the chances of cracks developing in the heads. That was a real problem with the OM621 engines. Finding 12 cracks in the head was not unusual in a car that was ridden hard and put up wet. (one from each valve to the prechamber, and one between the valves.) You can learn to control this also with an exhaust gas pyrometer. I used an oil temp gauge. It was a lot cheaper. That is my $.02 for turbo care and Diesel care in general. AFIK, the turbo in my 412k OM603 was original. But I always warmed it up, and cooled it down during my time, and I think the PO did too. Actually, it won't hurt your gassers any either. At 05:58 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote: Hello All - Was reading the tech section at the MB Owners Club site and they talked about how different components have various life spans. They talked of a Turbo having a long life if properly maintained. Only problem is, I cannot find the maintenance requirements of a turbo. Any idea what they expect to be done - either by the owner or by a stealership technician to extend the life of a turbo? . Thanks! Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
I used to run Yoko 008Rs years ago on my old 911. While DOT legal for road use, there was no wear rating on them. If you got 5000 out of a set, you were doing really well, and they didn't like to be cycled a lot, so while the grip was fantastic, it would drop off with cycles. The sidewall was so upright and ridged, they probably inspired run flat tires. lol Nothing comes without a cost, and while they would hang on forever, when they did finally decide to let go, there wasn't a lot of progression built into them. Woho, did you feel that coming Molly??? ;-) hee hee Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net You are probably right. A friend of mine bought one of the high performance 5 series BMWs a few years ago and his tires only lasted 9000 miles. But the issue wasn't the speed rating, it was the rubber compound. The tires on his BMW were Z rated! When he went back to the Stealership for new tires, they would only mount the originals and they explained that the replacements also had no mileage rating. I don't remember what brand he went to but he found an American Z rated tire that lasted 30,000 miles. The replacements also did not come with a mileage warranty. I have to admit - it is a very tight car, but the sidewalls on a Z rated tire have almost no give. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb e6a715/attachment.htmlhttp://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb%0Ae6a715/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/0557eb13/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] 140 tars
...From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber... The 1992 140 tires were V-Rated and were included in the warranty and MB got sick of replacing the tires every 10-12K miles. So, they switched to H-rated to save money which is the reason all US models except AMGs come with H-rated tires and are governed at 130mph. Just like my 2008 C300 which has 25mph chopped off the top. Not that I've had the opportunity to drive it flat out although I did so in my '01 C320, once. Too much supervision out there. RLE ** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi0003) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/d3cdaacd/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Those CL cars from Seattle
Darn! got me to looking locally -- http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/102540.html E55 AMG (2001) has the same fuel economy rating as a 124 300E --- at olny four times the price. One of those Pontons would be nice with an OM603 drive train --- On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Bored and there seems to be a need for pretty cars from out west, so here you go. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1026717670.html -- 57 Ponton $800 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1026590936.html -- OK Don W124 Diesels Ubuntu 8.10 KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cd5ddcae/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New 300SD -- odometer
I still think the small drum like thing is to turn on the idiot light to request O2 sensor replacement...an '81 car Yes. For a year or two that's the system they had. The official factory service is to remove the dash bulb! (Or you can reset the roller wheel to zero and replace the fuse in the instrument cluster that it blows when it rolls over, thus turning on the light.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT: I hate computers
Send it back, go to the local computer shop and get a Siig chip based USB card. Was awfully tempted, but I spent the weekend installing and reinstalling software. Nothing really worked until I ran the startup volume through DiskWarrior, which cleaned up mongo directory structure errors. (That was a fun side-trip, since I only had one CD drive and I had to run OS9 from one, and DW was on its own CD that should have, but refused to, start the Beige on its own. But I put the SCSI disk burner on the Beige and used Toast from one of the IDE volumes [not the boot drive] to cause DW to get mounted. After that DW was available. The job took hours, though, and the laundry list of problems it found was immense.) Once the G3's boot disk was given a clean bill of health, the full re-install process went as it should and the Canon EOS now shows up as an Image Capture device. Yay! In honor of which, attached are a couple of 1/8 scaled pictures I took with the camera. Dime with 100mm macro: -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dime.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5202 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/7f941822/attachment.jpg -- next part -- ID picture of Tango 2, with 50mm macro: -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tango2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8784 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/7f941822/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- Notice that it uses NEC chips, which meant that it should work. I guess it does work! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The West Wing
Just 'cause I can, here is a picture from last week. Today it's all framed and roofed, including re-roofing the house. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wwing.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4661 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/bb251292/attachment.jpg -- next part -- This picture (original, in Rebel's minimum file size) was 265K. The trimmed to 1/8 scale (using djpeg/cjpeg CLI tools) attached file is 4661 bytes. It takes about 1/3 second to do that to this picture on this blazing 233 MHz G3. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MBZ engine in a J**p (was: Re: 300d hydraulic lifters)
when you say J**p, most people would ASSuME it's a 4WD; i didn't see anything in your post to make it clear you were talking about one of the rare 'neutered' models. ;-) (after almost 250K miles on ours, i have no idea why anyone who didn't need 4WD would buy a J**p..?) cheers! e Manfred G wrote: That would probably be something to do if I had a 4wd and did a lot of offroad or rock crawling, but with a 2wd I haven't had a single problem in over 250,000 miles that we have driven it. Manfred Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:00:53 -0800 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 498b8bc5.6020...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed bummer is that the J**p driveshaft is only one piece because of the funky slip-yoke used at the rear output of the transfer case. pull that yoke out while flexed up or break a driveshaft, and you're going to dump all your transfer case lube on the ground out the hole at the back of the T'Case. this is why one of the most common serious upgrades in J**p'dom is the Fixed Output conversion (also referred to as a Slip Yoke Eliminator/SYE) and a double Cardan driveshaft. if you're going to all the rest of this effort, you might as well consider doing the Fixed Output mod to make the T'Case more trustworthy; another bonus is that most of the better conversions will actually shorten the tail end of the T'Case making it possible to use a longer rear driveshaft and thereby reduce the working angles of the driveshaft U-Joints. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/9c4fe083/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
as i understood it, the speed rating only relates to using the tire for some fixed period of time (70 minutes, or something like that) before cooling down completely; anything longer than that is over spec. if, like so many MBZ drivers do, you drive your car at highway speed or more for more than an hour or so at a time between complete heat cycles, you're probably better off with a tire that is speed rated to somewhat higher than the speeds you are likely to be traveling at. considering the possible consequences of tire failure at speed, doesn't seem like the place to save a few bucks. cheers! e Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 mph. Why do you need a tire rated that fast? The car is never going to go anywhere near that fast. It really narrows down the selection and raises the price. Why cant a T=118mph tire be used? That opens up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices. This same thing could also be said for 124's 126 and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/9ccca3ad/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
heh,... that's a trip in the Way-Back Machine! i once got over 10K miles on a set of A008Rs (or possibly A008RTUs), but it was because i had to make several thousand-mile-weekend trips downstate and back on them. actually seemed to me that they had gotten less grippy as they had gotten fairly baked, but it was hard to tell exactly because i was autocrossing the 'slush' series on them and several of those events were in the slop. cheers! e E M wrote: I used to run Yoko 008Rs years ago on my old 911. While DOT legal for road use, there was no wear rating on them. If you got 5000 out of a set, you were doing really well, and they didn't like to be cycled a lot, so while the grip was fantastic, it would drop off with cycles. The sidewall was so upright and ridged, they probably inspired run flat tires. lol Nothing comes without a cost, and while they would hang on forever, when they did finally decide to let go, there wasn't a lot of progression built into them. Woho, did you feel that coming Molly??? ;-) hee hee Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net You are probably right. A friend of mine bought one of the high performance 5 series BMWs a few years ago and his tires only lasted 9000 miles. But the issue wasn't the speed rating, it was the rubber compound. The tires on his BMW were Z rated! When he went back to the Stealership for new tires, they would only mount the originals and they explained that the replacements also had no mileage rating. I don't remember what brand he went to but he found an American Z rated tire that lasted 30,000 miles. The replacements also did not come with a mileage warranty. I have to admit - it is a very tight car, but the sidewalls on a Z rated tire have almost no give. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the W140, they were much softer and of higher performance. Due to the weight and size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so. The tires were toughened up for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced to compensate for the lower performance rubber. Ed 300E 2009/2/8 Tom Savage tesav...@gmail.com Tom Hargrave wrote: Kaleb, Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension, downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread to be scuffed off in turns. What he said. A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no favors at all. I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the perfect tire for the car. Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven. Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal valve stem caps (again). Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb e6a715/attachment.htmlhttp://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090208/cb%0Ae6a715/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 2/7/2009 1:39 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
[MBZ] Speaking of Corvairs
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Re: [MBZ] New 300SD -- odometer
Jim - Oh, now I see what you were describing the other day. So I guess the fuse is the small white plastic plug that has the black insert with the two pins that plug into the main PC board on the back of the speedo unit? How in the world did you figure that out? Is all that in a manual somewhere or did you trace out the circuit. Barry I still think the small drum like thing is to turn on the idiot light to request O2 sensor replacement...an '81 car Yes. For a year or two that's the system they had. The official factory service is to remove the dash bulb! (Or you can reset the roller wheel to zero and replace the fuse in the instrument cluster that it blows when it rolls over, thus turning on the light.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
