Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

2010-10-15 Thread John Reames
They also sell a nickel based stuff (as does fel-pro/loctite (who probably 
makes it)) which is rated for even higher temperatures.

I always used it for exhaust stuff and anything that went into an aluminum 
head, especially if it was a small engine.

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On Oct 12, 2010, at 16:30, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, NAPA sells a copper-based anti-seize paste that might be even 
 better.  It seems to have less oil used as a carrier.
 
 
  Rich Thomas wrote:
 
 I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.
 Not rusty or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down
 first with some PB.
 
 To prevent that next time, liberally coat the threads with
 grease.
 
 --Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes

2010-10-15 Thread John Reames
Agreed.  I was putting on a tub spout (the stub was capped  from construction), 
and had the fixture closed (but not the supply valves to the fitting). 

About the time that I wondered WTF was going on, I heard a popping followed by 
a wooshing as the 1/2 copper sweat cap flew off and whacked into my knee, 
followed by some steam, and hot water that thankfully tapered to cold. After 
the stars cleared, I shut off the supply valves and examined the cap; it was 
noticeably dished.

Btw wouldn't heating the caliper red hot adversely affect any hardening that 
had been done to the piston bores?

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On Oct 12, 2010, at 17:57, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 Heating  closed lines is not for the faint of heart. I heated a brake line 
 once in order to get the fitting loose.
 It blew off with a bang but did not hit me thankfully. A leson learned. Now I 
 would cut the brake hose first and
 then heat it up.
 
 Randy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV
 SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:42 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes
 
 
 I've got an oxy-acetylene torch now - you may borrow if your inclined to
 try an application of heat and an easy-out.
 
 I used this blue wrench on Saturday to persuade a sticking hydraulic
 fitting on the SLS of my wagon; all went well until I managed to pour
 hot oil on my forearm (note to self: ensure hydraulic lines are empty
 before using blue wrench).
 
 -Max
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:29 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] $#!^ -- brakes
 
 I just broke off a bleeder nipple from a front brake caliper.  Not rusty
 or anything, I guess I should have sprayed it down first with some PB.
 I guess that means I need to take the caliper off and drill out the
 remaining nib then chase it with a tap?  The local auto parts store can
 get another in the morning.  The backs loosened quite nicely.
 
 Anyway, mama was thinking the brakes were getting a little soft, seemed
 a bit so I sucked out the old fluid from the reservoir ($2 sucker) and
 put in new, then started bleeding calipers,  Fluid looked pretty clean,
 so not sure what the issue is.  I did hear what sounded like the RR
 caliper clunk when I sucked on it with the MityVac, so maybe it was
 sticking a bit or something?
 
 --R
 
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Re: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?

2010-10-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
We're thinking alike, Akebono-wise; my wife's Infiniti has had them for
several years now and we both love them.  I am not able to detect any
difference at all, hot or cold, with the Akebono pads.  My '95 E300 now has
the worst brakes of the stable, so new rotors/pads are on the list.

Rusty - what IS the deal with Sale!!! $8 for 8 fuses in a MB plastic
box!!!??  I bought that same kit a couple years ago at $6 or so, NOT on
sale, and you gave me a hard time by trying to convince me to buy the
multi-packs.  The box is so fragile I'm afraid I'll break it while trying to
get out a fuse.

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Hendrik  Fay
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:41 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?

The bloody brake light in the TE has come on again, I did the brakes (new
ATE pads and rotors) not even 15K km ago.
I haven't had a chance to have a look but from the way the light is
flickering it looks like the pads are stuffed. I may have a problem such as
a sticking piston but won't know until I pull the brakes apart, time for a
flush anyway.
Anyway now the Oz bean is worth about as much as your cotton rag, I might go
the Akebono route and give Rusty some business (I see he has
124 rotors on sale but the shipping for those would be crazy perhaps that
sexy pack of fuses might have to be the go
http://www.buymbparts.biz/content.wws?fname=specials.html ), however with
the ceramics there are two schools of thought, those who say they are the
ducks guts and those who reckon they don't work well when they are cold.
However I am confident Rusty wouldn't flog them if there was a chance that
they are not up to the job.
The other problem is that my other car is on loan for the time being, so we
are down to one car, guess once the ute makes a reappearance I'll suzz out
why the pads have been eaten in a short space of time (perhaps the missus is
driving with one foot on the brakes) and then sent out for a care package
from the US of A.

Hendrik
who should have bought Akebonos while he was in the US

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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
So you're saying chunk the obamacare AND the corn subsidies, thereby killing
corn syrup, saving the economy, and reducing diabetes/heart disease/etc.
resulting in lower national healthcare costs?

-Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists  ADM behind this?

  Uh, what's happening in 3 weeks?  And who needs a little boost from those
who stand to gain from this idiocy?  The article in our local rag had a
quote from the EPA idiot Lisa Something about how wonderful it was to be
using home-grown fuel, etc. then listed about 8 different groups who opposed
it for various reasons, while also mentioning the election in 3 weeks. Also
mentioned problems with boats, small engines, etc.  But its wonderful for
America!  (and ADM and the farmers who make good money off this huge subsidy
and stupid waste of energy).

And don't get me going about the subsidies for all the processed crap in the
grocery store that makes people hugely obese (75% of Americans are now
overweight--morbidly obese), thus costing the taxpayers even more to deal
with them and their problems, in part caused by costs to taxpayers to
support their bad life choices.

Ain't life grand?

--R

On 10/14/2010 7:44 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
 URGENT REGULATORY ALERT (UPDATE)
   EPA Denies E15 Waiver for Pre-2001 Cars, Permits Use in Newer Cars
   The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency confirmed that there is 
 insufficient test data to permit E15 to be used in MY 2000 and older 
 light-duty motor vehicles.  The SEMA Action Network (SAN) has 
 consistently voiced concern that ethanol increases water formation 
 which can then create formic acid and corrode metals, plastics and 
 rubber.  While the SAN is pleased with the decision that older cars 
 should not be fueled with E15, the association is disappointed that 
 the EPA issued an E15 waiver for 2007 and newer vehicles.  The agency 
 is still gathering data for the 2001-2006 vehicles.  The EPA's ruling 
 responds to a request from the ethanol industry to raise the ethanol
content in gasoline from 10 percent (E10) to 15 percent (E15).
   Consumers will not see E15 at the pump any time soon.  The EPA must 
 first approve regulations on how gas stations will label their pumps 
 to avoid consumer misfueling.  This will take months.  Furthermore, 
 there is no obligation that gasoline retailers market the fuel.  In 
 fact, some retailers oppose the fuel over concern that they could be 
 held liable if E15 damages a vehicle.  The gas stations and 
 distributors may also need to invest in new storage tanks, hoses and other
equipment.
   The SAN will continue to oppose E15 until there are conclusive 
 scientific findings that demonstrate that it will not harm automobiles 
 of any age as a result of corrosion or other chemical 
 incompatibilities.  SEMA represents thousands of companies that market 
 products for these vehicles and, through its SEMA Action Network, millions
of enthusiasts who buy and operate these
 automobiles.   Questions/comments may be directed to Steve McDonald at
 ste...@sema.org. 

 RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
I believe that you can purchase a small testing device for several dollars,
Google knows all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsSQSuCiUjE

-Max

 

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On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:19 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists  ADM behind this?

On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:35:30 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Fortunately another pure-gas reader went there and actually tested the 
 stuff, finding it at ~8% alcohol.

So, what's the easy way to test the amount of ethanol? Specific gravity?
Wouldn't condensed water in the gasoline affect that measurement?


Craig

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[MBZ] Back to clattering

2010-10-15 Thread Peter T. Arnold

 Just bought a 24 Valve Cummins with 18Kmi.

Thought you'd have a little interest


--
Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)›

31' Forest River, Cardinal Fiver

'08 RAM250 4x4, 6.7 Smoke Motor

Member of Escapees 
National Camping Travelers, A Masonic Family Camping Club

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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Rich Thomas
 That would make too much sense.  We should increase subsidies but ship 
all the crap to China then they will go broke dealing with the effects.


--R

--R

On 10/15/2010 7:11 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

So you're saying chunk the obamacare AND the corn subsidies, thereby killing
corn syrup, saving the economy, and reducing diabetes/heart disease/etc.
resulting in lower national healthcare costs?

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists  ADM behind this?

   Uh, what's happening in 3 weeks?  And who needs a little boost from those
who stand to gain from this idiocy?  The article in our local rag had a
quote from the EPA idiot Lisa Something about how wonderful it was to be
using home-grown fuel, etc. then listed about 8 different groups who opposed
it for various reasons, while also mentioning the election in 3 weeks. Also
mentioned problems with boats, small engines, etc.  But its wonderful for
America!  (and ADM and the farmers who make good money off this huge subsidy
and stupid waste of energy).

And don't get me going about the subsidies for all the processed crap in the
grocery store that makes people hugely obese (75% of Americans are now
overweight--morbidly obese), thus costing the taxpayers even more to deal
with them and their problems, in part caused by costs to taxpayers to
support their bad life choices.

Ain't life grand?

--R

On 10/14/2010 7:44 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

URGENT REGULATORY ALERT (UPDATE)
   EPA Denies E15 Waiver for Pre-2001 Cars, Permits Use in Newer Cars
   The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency confirmed that there is
insufficient test data to permit E15 to be used in MY 2000 and older
light-duty motor vehicles.  The SEMA Action Network (SAN) has
consistently voiced concern that ethanol increases water formation
which can then create formic acid and corrode metals, plastics and
rubber.  While the SAN is pleased with the decision that older cars
should not be fueled with E15, the association is disappointed that
the EPA issued an E15 waiver for 2007 and newer vehicles.  The agency
is still gathering data for the 2001-2006 vehicles.  The EPA's ruling
responds to a request from the ethanol industry to raise the ethanol

content in gasoline from 10 percent (E10) to 15 percent (E15).

   Consumers will not see E15 at the pump any time soon.  The EPA must
first approve regulations on how gas stations will label their pumps
to avoid consumer misfueling.  This will take months.  Furthermore,
there is no obligation that gasoline retailers market the fuel.  In
fact, some retailers oppose the fuel over concern that they could be
held liable if E15 damages a vehicle.  The gas stations and
distributors may also need to invest in new storage tanks, hoses and other

equipment.

   The SAN will continue to oppose E15 until there are conclusive
scientific findings that demonstrate that it will not harm automobiles
of any age as a result of corrosion or other chemical
incompatibilities.  SEMA represents thousands of companies that market
products for these vehicles and, through its SEMA Action Network, millions

of enthusiasts who buy and operate these

automobiles.   Questions/comments may be directed to Steve McDonald at
ste...@sema.org.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Craig wrote:


So, what's the easy way to test the amount of ethanol? Specific gravity?
Wouldn't condensed water in the gasoline affect that measurement?


Put 10cc of water and 10cc of gas in a graduated cylinder and cork it.
Shake, shake, shake.
Let it settle, and check the division between the water and the gas.
If you've got more than 10cc of water, the difference is alcohol absorbed from 
the gas.


for a yes/no indicator, any old test tube will do if you draw a line on it and 
fill the water to that line.

To measure the quantity of alcohol, you'll need a graduate or a test kit.
The test kits cost $3-10, but they're basically a cylinder marked in percentages 
and brief instructions.


http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=ECP+91040catID=

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Re: [MBZ] OK Don

2010-10-15 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:56 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nope - it wasn't one of mine! It was rather exciting though - my first one.

 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/last_event/states/states_oklahoma.php


And here I thought that one of the advantages of living in the Midwest
was that you didn't have to worry about earthquakes (only tornados
carrying you off to Oz).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?

2010-10-15 Thread Rusty Cullens
My supplier has a gazillion of them and asked me to move them. Some people 
like the convenience of a small package vs. 3 big sheets of fuses. I still 
recommend the 3 big sheets though.



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- Original Message - 
From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?



We're thinking alike, Akebono-wise; my wife's Infiniti has had them for
several years now and we both love them.  I am not able to detect any
difference at all, hot or cold, with the Akebono pads.  My '95 E300 now 
has

the worst brakes of the stable, so new rotors/pads are on the list.

Rusty - what IS the deal with Sale!!! $8 for 8 fuses in a MB plastic
box!!!??  I bought that same kit a couple years ago at $6 or so, NOT on
sale, and you gave me a hard time by trying to convince me to buy the
multi-packs.  The box is so fragile I'm afraid I'll break it while trying 
to

get out a fuse.

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Hendrik  Fay
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:41 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?

The bloody brake light in the TE has come on again, I did the brakes (new
ATE pads and rotors) not even 15K km ago.
I haven't had a chance to have a look but from the way the light is
flickering it looks like the pads are stuffed. I may have a problem such 
as

a sticking piston but won't know until I pull the brakes apart, time for a
flush anyway.
Anyway now the Oz bean is worth about as much as your cotton rag, I might 
go

the Akebono route and give Rusty some business (I see he has
124 rotors on sale but the shipping for those would be crazy perhaps that
sexy pack of fuses might have to be the go
http://www.buymbparts.biz/content.wws?fname=specials.html ), however with
the ceramics there are two schools of thought, those who say they are the
ducks guts and those who reckon they don't work well when they are cold.
However I am confident Rusty wouldn't flog them if there was a chance that
they are not up to the job.
The other problem is that my other car is on loan for the time being, so 
we

are down to one car, guess once the ute makes a reappearance I'll suzz out
why the pads have been eaten in a short space of time (perhaps the missus 
is

driving with one foot on the brakes) and then sent out for a care package
from the US of A.

Hendrik
who should have bought Akebonos while he was in the US

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Re: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?

2010-10-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Thanks Rusty - knew it wasn't you setting the price, but needed to vent
a little as usually all the stuff you put up for sale is a good deal.

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:29 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?

My supplier has a gazillion of them and asked me to move them. Some
people like the convenience of a small package vs. 3 big sheets of
fuses. I still recommend the 3 big sheets though.


Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
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meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?


 We're thinking alike, Akebono-wise; my wife's Infiniti has had them
for
 several years now and we both love them.  I am not able to detect any
 difference at all, hot or cold, with the Akebono pads.  My '95 E300
now 
 has
 the worst brakes of the stable, so new rotors/pads are on the list.

 Rusty - what IS the deal with Sale!!! $8 for 8 fuses in a MB plastic
 box!!!??  I bought that same kit a couple years ago at $6 or so, NOT
on
 sale, and you gave me a hard time by trying to convince me to buy the
 multi-packs.  The box is so fragile I'm afraid I'll break it while
trying 
 to
 get out a fuse.

 -Max

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Hendrik  Fay
 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:41 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] Brake dramas, should I go ceramic?

 The bloody brake light in the TE has come on again, I did the brakes
(new
 ATE pads and rotors) not even 15K km ago.
 I haven't had a chance to have a look but from the way the light is
 flickering it looks like the pads are stuffed. I may have a problem
such 
 as
 a sticking piston but won't know until I pull the brakes apart, time
for a
 flush anyway.
 Anyway now the Oz bean is worth about as much as your cotton rag, I
might 
 go
 the Akebono route and give Rusty some business (I see he has
 124 rotors on sale but the shipping for those would be crazy perhaps
that
 sexy pack of fuses might have to be the go
 http://www.buymbparts.biz/content.wws?fname=specials.html ), however
with
 the ceramics there are two schools of thought, those who say they are
the
 ducks guts and those who reckon they don't work well when they are
cold.
 However I am confident Rusty wouldn't flog them if there was a chance
that
 they are not up to the job.
 The other problem is that my other car is on loan for the time being,
so 
 we
 are down to one car, guess once the ute makes a reappearance I'll suzz
out
 why the pads have been eaten in a short space of time (perhaps the
missus 
 is
 driving with one foot on the brakes) and then sent out for a care
package
 from the US of A.

 Hendrik
 who should have bought Akebonos while he was in the US

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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Dieselhead

Bingo!  (see Craig's post below)

Shady gasoline wholesalers and retailers  add ethanol and water.  I 
first encountered this in 1974 in the first energy crisis  Put a 
load of brand name premium in my BMW and as soon as the new fuel 
got into the carbs it would barely run.  One reason why I prefer 
Diesel to this day.


As little as I use gasoline, I have gotten a lot of bad loads.  The 
last ones were a couple of weeks ago.  It is not ethanol that is a 
problem.  E10 blends have been used for almost 40 years and there is 
no problem.  Fuel wholesalers and retailers that are shoddy or 
crooked either let water get into tanks or intentionally put it in to 
blend with the alcohol.


After all, what is gas line deicer?  (alcohol)  It blends the water 
with the fuel.  Before E10 became readily available we all had to 
dump a can of heet into the tank in the winter to keep from being F O 
R D because the water in the gas froze up and blocked the line.  I 
have not bought any Heet type products since 1970 something.  Don't 
need it when you have E10.


You people want to blame E10 blends.  Pull your head out of the dark 
place.  Brazil has been using high percentages of alcohol for years. 
Moonshiners used alcohol to outrun the revenooers as far back as the 
1920s and 30s.  What do racers use?  alcohol.  What does the IRL use? 
ethanol   Now some of you claim you all know more than the 
moonshiners,  decades of research, the car manufacturers, racers, the 
IRL and fuel chemists.


Roger, I do applaud you for actually posting a few things that are 
about MBs.  I recently complimented you on list about that.  If you 
have crappy and or crooked fuel retailers or wholesalers, I can't 
help you, but place the blame where it belongs.  E10, E15, E20, E85, 
they all run just fine in my dogde van.  E10 runs in any gasoline 
engine unless it has styrofoam floats in the carbs.  (I had one of 
those)


Vehicles I can remember that I ran on E10 with no problems:
62 220Sb
71 R75/5
65 Chevy Van  230
68 Dodge van  318
68 chevy van 307
65 Chevy 283
66 Ford E100 van 240
66 Bronco 170
66 bronco 289
71 Dodge Dart slant 6
74 Plymouth valiant slant 6
Several IH H
JD 2020
IH 240
66 IH 1500
68 IH 1500
70 IH 1500
73 IH 1200
(quite a few years with NO gassers)
99 dogde caravan 3.3
2000 dodge caravan 3.3
82 380SL
85 380SL
94 E320
Chainsaws, lawnmowers etc over 35 years.
I think it is 38 years since I put the first E10 in my BMW at the 
corner station.


One advantage of E10 is the octane boost.  Because of that I can run 
plain ol unleaded in all the leaded Premium engines like the 220S 
and the BMW and the unleaded Premium engines like the E320 with no 
ping, no problem.  I think it was the ford van that had plastif foam 
floats int he carb.  I had to put a new float in that one in 1977 or 
so, and the replacement floats were alcohol resistant.  I have 
replaced more brass floats that failed with nothing related to 
alcohol than the one float that was not alcohol resistant.


I am sure there are others.  If E10 was as bad as y'all allege, not 
much would be movin in the midwest and other E10 states other than 
bicycles and Diesels.






So, what's the easy way to test the amount of ethanol? Specific gravity?
Wouldn't condensed water in the gasoline affect that measurement?

Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:24:57 -0400 Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:

 I believe that you can purchase a small testing device for several
 dollars, Google knows all...
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsSQSuCiUjE

Thanks, Max, I didn't think of that.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Loren, if you can get your hands on a gallon of gasoline (I sure don't know how 
to do it without going to Lake Michigan or an airport), put a gallon of gasoline 
and a gallon of E10 in sealed cans. Wait six months, then open them up and take 
a sniff. The E10 is more decomposed than the gasoline, right?


For anything that you have to refuel monthly, E10 just costs you a little MPG.
For anything that goes months or years between fillups (I can go a looong time 
on a gallon of chain saw premix, for example) E10 means you're running stale gas 
most of the time.


I really want to fill the 2.3-16 with unleaded gasoline before I park it for the 
winter, but I don't have that option. It's either 100LL avgas (which will 
destroy the cat) or E10. Looks like I'll be filling it with regular E10, and 
then draining it out to run in the lawn mower in the spring. Seems a waste to 
buy 19 gallons of fuel with the intention of letting it go stale, but having a 
less than full tank all winter would be worse.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Rich Thomas
 Problem is that 10% seems to be *generally* OK (except for boaters 
where it is a HUGE problem, and for your home power equipment) but above 
that it can get problematic for older fuel systems that can corrode or 
dissolve.  Approval to go to 15% will cause lots of problems, both with 
vehicles and equipment as well as economic.  This is purely pandering to 
the farm.ethanol lobby, is energy inefficient, and will cost us all lots 
more money to get some votes for the politicians (all of them, not just 
the present crowd).


--R

On 10/15/2010 12:26 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Bingo!  (see Craig's post below)

Shady gasoline wholesalers and retailers  add ethanol and water.  I 
first encountered this in 1974 in the first energy crisis  Put a 
load of brand name premium in my BMW and as soon as the new fuel got 
into the carbs it would barely run.  One reason why I prefer Diesel to 
this day.


As little as I use gasoline, I have gotten a lot of bad loads.  The 
last ones were a couple of weeks ago.  It is not ethanol that is a 
problem.  E10 blends have been used for almost 40 years and there is 
no problem.  Fuel wholesalers and retailers that are shoddy or crooked 
either let water get into tanks or intentionally put it in to blend 
with the alcohol.


After all, what is gas line deicer?  (alcohol)  It blends the water 
with the fuel.  Before E10 became readily available we all had to dump 
a can of heet into the tank in the winter to keep from being F O R D 
because the water in the gas froze up and blocked the line.  I have 
not bought any Heet type products since 1970 something.  Don't need it 
when you have E10.


You people want to blame E10 blends.  Pull your head out of the dark 
place.  Brazil has been using high percentages of alcohol for years. 
Moonshiners used alcohol to outrun the revenooers as far back as the 
1920s and 30s.  What do racers use?  alcohol.  What does the IRL use? 
ethanol   Now some of you claim you all know more than the 
moonshiners,  decades of research, the car manufacturers, racers, the 
IRL and fuel chemists.


Roger, I do applaud you for actually posting a few things that are 
about MBs.  I recently complimented you on list about that.  If you 
have crappy and or crooked fuel retailers or wholesalers, I can't help 
you, but place the blame where it belongs.  E10, E15, E20, E85, they 
all run just fine in my dogde van.  E10 runs in any gasoline engine 
unless it has styrofoam floats in the carbs.  (I had one of those)


Vehicles I can remember that I ran on E10 with no problems:
62 220Sb
71 R75/5
65 Chevy Van  230
68 Dodge van  318
68 chevy van 307
65 Chevy 283
66 Ford E100 van 240
66 Bronco 170
66 bronco 289
71 Dodge Dart slant 6
74 Plymouth valiant slant 6
Several IH H
JD 2020
IH 240
66 IH 1500
68 IH 1500
70 IH 1500
73 IH 1200
(quite a few years with NO gassers)
99 dogde caravan 3.3
2000 dodge caravan 3.3
82 380SL
85 380SL
94 E320
Chainsaws, lawnmowers etc over 35 years.
I think it is 38 years since I put the first E10 in my BMW at the 
corner station.


One advantage of E10 is the octane boost.  Because of that I can run 
plain ol unleaded in all the leaded Premium engines like the 220S 
and the BMW and the unleaded Premium engines like the E320 with no 
ping, no problem.  I think it was the ford van that had plastif foam 
floats int he carb.  I had to put a new float in that one in 1977 or 
so, and the replacement floats were alcohol resistant.  I have 
replaced more brass floats that failed with nothing related to alcohol 
than the one float that was not alcohol resistant.


I am sure there are others.  If E10 was as bad as y'all allege, not 
much would be movin in the midwest and other E10 states other than 
bicycles and Diesels.






So, what's the easy way to test the amount of ethanol? Specific gravity?
Wouldn't condensed water in the gasoline affect that measurement?

Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 08:22:37 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Craig wrote:
 
  So, what's the easy way to test the amount of ethanol? Specific
  gravity? Wouldn't condensed water in the gasoline affect that
  measurement?
 
 Put 10cc of water and 10cc of gas in a graduated cylinder and cork it.
 Shake, shake, shake.
 Let it settle, and check the division between the water and the gas.
 If you've got more than 10cc of water, the difference is alcohol
 absorbed from the gas.

Yes, water and alcohol are miscible. So, you're using the water as a
advantage in analysis.


 for a yes/no indicator, any old test tube will do if you draw a line on
 it and fill the water to that line.
 To measure the quantity of alcohol, you'll need a graduate or a test
 kit. The test kits cost $3-10, but they're basically a cylinder marked
 in percentages and brief instructions.
 
 http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=ECP+91040catID=

Thanks, Mitch.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK Don

2010-10-15 Thread WILTON

New Madrid?

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK Don



On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:56 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
Nope - it wasn't one of mine! It was rather exciting though - my first 
one.


http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/last_event/states/states_oklahoma.php



And here I thought that one of the advantages of living in the Midwest
was that you didn't have to worry about earthquakes (only tornados
carrying you off to Oz).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38
 
 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the
 front anti-sway bar that I misplaced.

I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used
a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
I've used fuel stabilizer with good success (emergency generator, lawn
mower, sail boat outboard motor).  Locally West Marine sells one
specifically made for E10 gasoline, but I suspect more marketing than
science.  The price was actually cheaper than regular fuel stabilizer.

Locally, our Exxon stations sell premium gasoline without ethanol; you
may want to check to see if that is the case in your area.  Lower two
grades of fuel have the E10 sticker; some Exxon stations advertise
Ethanol Free with big signs, but I've found that even those that don't
advertise have E-free premium.

On the other hand, fuel lines for my Ryobi trimmer/blower/edger
deteriorated and fell apart recently after about 6 or 7 years of life.
I blame Obama.

-Max

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists  ADM behind this?

Loren, if you can get your hands on a gallon of gasoline (I sure don't
know how to do it without going to Lake Michigan or an airport), put a
gallon of gasoline and a gallon of E10 in sealed cans. Wait six months,
then open them up and take a sniff. The E10 is more decomposed than the
gasoline, right?

For anything that you have to refuel monthly, E10 just costs you a
little MPG.
For anything that goes months or years between fillups (I can go a
looong time on a gallon of chain saw premix, for example) E10 means
you're running stale gas most of the time.

I really want to fill the 2.3-16 with unleaded gasoline before I park it
for the winter, but I don't have that option. It's either 100LL avgas
(which will destroy the cat) or E10. Looks like I'll be filling it with
regular E10, and then draining it out to run in the lawn mower in the
spring. Seems a waste to buy 19 gallons of fuel with the intention of
letting it go stale, but having a less than full tank all winter would
be worse.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OK Don

2010-10-15 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:05 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 New Madrid?


Well, well!  Color me enlightened.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Dieselhead
I agree that no alcohol gas is better for storage.  However, what is 
sold as gasoline now is not like the gas of old.  But even the gas of 
old was stinky and not good after  a year.  Why not just drain the 
tank and run the engine out of fuel?  I always drain the tank and run 
the fuel out on all the small engines that are used infrequently or 
seasonally.  My chainsaw is 20-30 years old and I took it into the 
shop once a couple years ago because the diaphragm in the carb 
deteriorated.  It always starts.


Most people just put sta-bil in the tank and forget about it.


It is the greenie weenies that have mandated low emissions, thus 
requiring oxygenated gasoline fuels.  Which would you rather be 
around, MTBE or ethyl alcohol?  I will pick pure Kaintucky feud oil 
anytime over a poisonous carcinogen.  Alcohol is the best oxygenating 
agent available.


You can make alcohol out of taters, termaters, sugar beets or 
whatever, if you'd rather eat field corn to save the field corn from 
the disgrace of being turned into alcohol and pork as our forebearers 
have done since hitting these shores.  Ever read about the whiskey 
rebellion?


 if you can get your hands on a gallon of gasoline (I sure don't 
know how to do it without going to Lake Michigan or an airport), put 
a gallon of gasoline and a gallon of E10 in sealed cans. Wait six 
months, then open them up and take a sniff. The E10 is more 
decomposed than the gasoline, right?


For anything that you have to refuel monthly, E10 just costs you a little MPG.
For anything that goes months or years between fillups (I can go a 
looong time on a gallon of chain saw premix, for example) E10 means 
you're running stale gas most of the time.


I really want to fill the 2.3-16 with unleaded gasoline before I 
park it for the winter, but I don't have that option. It's either 
100LL avgas (which will destroy the cat) or E10. Looks like I'll be 
filling it with regular E10, and then draining it out to run in the 
lawn mower in the spring. Seems a waste to buy 19 gallons of fuel 
with the intention of letting it go stale, but having a less than 
full tank all winter would be worse.


Mitch.





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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
  Why not just drain the tank and run the engine
 out of fuel?

I heard somewhere---don't know if it's true---that this is OK for
four-cycles but a Bad Thing to do to two-cycles, since you're starving
the engine of lubrication as it runs out of fuel, causing a lot of
wear even if it's only briefly.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OK Don

2010-10-15 Thread Rich Thomas

 Reelfoot Lake, a Crack in the Earth, just appeared one day.

--R

On 10/15/2010 10:49 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:05 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

New Madrid?


Well, well!  Color me enlightened.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

2010-10-15 Thread Dieselhead

Cool!  Way to go!


On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:


 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38

 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the
 front anti-sway bar that I misplaced.


I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used
a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Dieselhead
I heard the same unsubstantiated stuff 30-35 years ago when gasohol 
first came out.  how many cars sold in Brazil are different that what 
is sold here?  not much.  Toada doesn't make brazil only cars, nor 
do US manufacturers.


The anti -ethanol lobby uses outdated information about outdated 
process to misinform the public and support the house of saud and 
other petroleum interests.  This list is made up of many very 
intelligent people.  I am appalled that you ignore all the subsidies 
for petroleum, all the foreign aid  and defense budget that goes to 
support the petroleum industry, and repeat the arab-petroleum 
propaganda that is just not true.  Please research credible sources 
of information and count the petroleum subsidies to be fair.


Yes, there is currently a tax credit for BLENDERS of alcohol fuel. 
Not for farmers, not for ethanol plants, but for the blenders, who 
are primarily petroleum distributors and petroleum companies.  That 
blenders credit is about to go away Jan 1 without your input.


Current ethanol technology  is way ahead of technology used 30 years 
ago.  It is also outdated.  Ethanol will not go away.  The production 
costs will just get lower.  Right now, all current ethanol plants are 
outdated.


Corn ethanol for vehicle fuel is about to be displaced by cellulosic 
ethanol.  The technology is here now.  No plants are built yet, but 
the technology is here now.  I have seen it work.  Cost of production 
is estimated to be less than a dollar a gallon for pure ethanol 
versus about $1.80-$2/gal for corn ethanol.  Feedstock is essentially 
anything green and growing, including trees.  If you know anyone with 
a million or three sitting on the sidelines, this is a good 
investment.  A very large company who makes a lot of alcohol from 
sugar cane is already licensing the technology.  This new process 
lowers the production cost and increased the alcohol yield from their 
sugar cane.


I have never been a fan of corn alcohol.  But ethanol as a fuel is 
well proven.  There is no reason to bash it in support of the 
arab-petroleum-opec folks.


Last week some uninformed columnist in ORLANDO, FL bashed ethanol, 
and that is really ironic, because FL was screaming the loudest about 
the oil in the Gulf this summer, claiming gulf oil tarballs were on 
their beaches.  The last I heard, the FL tarballs analyzed were not 
from the blown out well.


It is the greenie weenies that have mandated low emissions, thus 
requiring oxygenated gasoline fuels.  Which would you rather be 
around, MTBE or ethyl alcohol?  I will pick pure Kaintucky feud oil 
anytime over a poisonous carcinogen.  Alcohol is the best oxygenating 
agent available.


You can make alcohol out of taters, termaters, sugar beets or 
whatever, if you'd rather eat field corn to save the field corn from 
the disgrace of being turned into alcohol and pork as our forebearers 
have done since hitting these shores.  Ever read about the whiskey 
rebellion?


I'd rather eat the taters and termaters and pork and let the hogs and 
poultry eat the corn or DDG.  Ethyl alcohol has been around for a 
long time, and will not go away.  Cheers!


 Problem is that 10% seems to be *generally* OK (except for boaters 
where it is a HUGE problem, and for your home power equipment) but 
above that it can get problematic for older fuel systems that can 
corrode or dissolve.  Approval to go to 15% will cause lots of 
problems, both with vehicles and equipment as well as economic. 
This is purely pandering to the farm.ethanol lobby, is energy 
inefficient, and will cost us all lots more money to get some votes 
for the politicians (all of them, not just the present crowd).


--R


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Re: [MBZ] Back to clattering

2010-10-15 Thread Dieselhead

Welcome back!




 Just bought a 24 Valve Cummins with 18Kmi.

Thought you'd have a little interest


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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Dieselhead
My chainsaw seems very happy after years of being treated that way. 
But the topic was a 190E 2.3-16v and that is a 4 cycle.



On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  Why not just drain the tank and run the engine
 out of fuel?


I heard somewhere---don't know if it's true---that this is OK for
four-cycles but a Bad Thing to do to two-cycles, since you're starving
the engine of lubrication as it runs out of fuel, causing a lot of
wear even if it's only briefly.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

2010-10-15 Thread Mike Esh
That is a nice connection!
On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Craig wrote:

 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38
 
 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the
 front anti-sway bar that I misplaced.
 
 I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used
 a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture.
 
 
 Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Dieselhead wrote:
Why not just drain the tank 
and run the engine out of fuel?  I always drain the tank and run the 
fuel out on all the small engines that are used infrequently or 
seasonally.  My chainsaw is 20-30 years old and I took it into the shop 
once a couple years ago because the diaphragm in the carb deteriorated.  
It always starts.



But it's a pain in the arse to buy a gallon of premium, mix it with fancy 
synthetic 2 stroke lube for the chain saws, and then dump three quarts of it 
into the lawnmower 4-6 weeks later.  Especially since I have to also dump the 
chainsaw into the lawnmower with a funnel before I refill it from the next 
gallon of premium.





 It is the greenie weenies that have mandated low emissions, thus
 requiring oxygenated gasoline fuels.  Which would you rather be
 around, MTBE or ethyl alcohol?  I will pick pure Kaintucky feud oil
 anytime over a poisonous carcinogen.  Alcohol is the best oxygenating
 agent available.

It's the whole 'we need oxygenated fuels' idea that I'm against. I want 
hydrocarb0ons, not oxidizers, in my fuel tank, thank you. Any car with an oxygen 
sensor is going to richen up the fuel mixture to compensate for any oxygen 
present in the fuel, and that means every car made since about 1985 or so.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Back to clattering

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:44:18 -0400 Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net
wrote:

   Just bought a 24 Valve Cummins with 18Kmi.
 
 Thought you'd have a little interest

Indeed! That's a nice engine. Did it come in a crate? What are you going
to put it in?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Dieselhead wrote:

My chainsaw seems very happy after years of being treated that way.


Letting a chain saw idle until it dies won't do any harm.
Running it out of fuel at full throttle (like cutting until it dies), not so 
good.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Iowa lobbyists ADM behind this?

2010-10-15 Thread John Reames
It may be a wash; if you don't run a 2 cycle dry, you'll have carb problems 
eventually; the layers of varnish formed when the gas evaporates time and time 
again will impair the function of the diaphragm

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On Oct 15, 2010, at 11:52, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
  Why not just drain the tank and run the engine
 out of fuel?
 
 I heard somewhere---don't know if it's true---that this is OK for
 four-cycles but a Bad Thing to do to two-cycles, since you're starving
 the engine of lubrication as it runs out of fuel, causing a lot of
 wear even if it's only briefly.
 
 Alex
 
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Re: [MBZ] OK Don

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:49:36 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:05 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
  New Madrid?
 
 
 Well, well!  Color me enlightened.

See http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/area.html


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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:08:41 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cool!  Way to go!

Thank you!


 
 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
   On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski
  jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
 
The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38
 
   Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the
   front anti-sway bar that I misplaced.
 
 I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and
 used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached
 picture.

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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:25:12 -0400 Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote:

 That is a nice connection!

Thank you!


 On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Craig wrote:
 
  On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net
  wrote:
  
  On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski
  jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38
  
  Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the
  front anti-sway bar that I misplaced.
  
  I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and
  used a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached
  picture.

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Re: [MBZ] OK Don

2010-10-15 Thread OK Don
Nope - it'`s just that we usually get a lot of small ones that we can't feel
--

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:56 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
  Nope - it wasn't one of mine! It was rather exciting though - my first
 one.
 
 
 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/last_event/states/states_oklahoma.php
 

 And here I thought that one of the advantages of living in the Midwest
 was that you didn't have to worry about earthquakes (only tornados
 carrying you off to Oz).

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

2010-10-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Did you use a digital camera?  What type?  I love the picture (low f-number)
and your fine wood workbench!  

-Max 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:24 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski 
 jaime...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38
 
 Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the 
 front anti-sway bar that I misplaced.

I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used a
couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Back to clattering

2010-10-15 Thread Peter T. Arnold

 I was looking for a rust free 240D w/air...
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31' Forest River, Cardinal Fiver

'08 RAM250 4x4, 6.7 Smoke Motor

Member of Escapees 
National Camping Travelers, A Masonic Family Camping Club

On 10/15/2010 12:28 PM, Craig wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:44:18 -0400 Peter T. Arnoldpm7...@comcast.net
wrote:


   Just bought a 24 Valve Cummins with 18Kmi.

Thought you'd have a little interest

Indeed! That's a nice engine. Did it come in a crate? What are you going
to put it in?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Back to clattering

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:01:58 -0400 Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net
wrote:

   I was looking for a rust free 240D w/air...

I 'll keep my eyes open. :-)


 31' Forest River, Cardinal Fiver
 
 '08 RAM250 4x4, 6.7 Smoke Motor

So it actually came in a late-model Dodge pickup.

http://www.forestriverinc.com/nd/default22.asp?nav=recpage=cardchoice=brochure

Sounds like a nice rig to cruise the country.


Craig


 
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 On 10/15/2010 12:28 PM, Craig wrote:
  On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:44:18 -0400 Peter T.
  Arnoldpm7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Just bought a 24 Valve Cummins with 18Kmi.
 
  Thought you'd have a little interest
  Indeed! That's a nice engine. Did it come in a crate? What are you
  going to put it in?
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Back to clattering

2010-10-15 Thread Kevin kraly
That's where the engine from my truck went!!!  :d  

What year is it?  My'07 needs to go in yet again for a reprogram.  They can't 
figure out how to minimize soot buildup in the turbo.  The 2010 and later 
models have variable geometry turbos which supposedly solves the problem.  

Kevin in hillsboro oregon

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Re: [MBZ] Back to clattering

2010-10-15 Thread Peter T. Arnold
 This is a 6.7L BlueTec {M/B Content?}, something like 650 lb/ft of 
torque, very smooth not too loud but loud enough ;-)
6 Speed automatic, I'd have preferred a stick, much easier to drive as I 
am used to big trucks.  But it's very had to find a low mileage duramax 
or Dodge, I have a strong dislike for late model Ford PSD, they cannot 
seem to get the design stabilized.


Damn thing is BRIGHT BLUE.  Black is the only color that's a deal 
killer, too hard to keep looking good.



--
Pete Arnold

You win some, You loose some and You wreck some!

-Dale Earnhardt-



On 10/15/2010 4:30 PM, Kevin kraly wrote:

That's where the engine from my truck went!!!  :d

What year is it?  My'07 needs to go in yet again for a reprogram.  They can't 
figure out how to minimize soot buildup in the turbo.  The 2010 and later 
models have variable geometry turbos which supposedly solves the problem.

Kevin in hillsboro oregon

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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

2010-10-15 Thread OK Don
Now I understand the screw connector! I was thinking back to my VW days -
where the male screw was in the spark plug connector - and screwed into the
wire, making contact as it went in.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:50:29 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

  On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:39:07 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   The part number for that terminal is A 000 159 14 38
 
  Thanks. I ordered three of them from Rusty, along with a nut for the
  front anti-sway bar that I misplaced.

 I got the terminals and took them and the ignition cable to work and used
 a couple of the crimpers. The result is shown in the attached picture.


 Craig

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[MBZ] Kaleb special in Guthrie

2010-10-15 Thread OK Don
Just what he needs - tilt the bed, and wench those cars right up!

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2007750041.html

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Re: [MBZ] E85

2010-10-15 Thread RELNGSON
 It's the whole 'we need oxygenated fuels' idea that I'm against. I 
 want
 hydrocarb0ons, not oxidizers, in my fuel tank, thank you. Any car with an 
 oxygen
 sensor is going to richen up the fuel mixture to compensate for any oxygen
 present in the fuel, and that means every car made since about 1985 or 
 so
 
Not beyond 10% ethanol, despite what has been posted by Greasehead. He 
admits he knows nothing about cars beyond maybe the mid 90's (this week, in 
fact) but claims that it's all irrelevant.

The fact is that the manufacturers do know what's required to use ethanol 
beyond 10%. My 2008 C300 automatic is MB's only US market flex fuel vehicle 
designed for E85. Every single component that is touched by the fuel is 
different than the rest of their cars. The fuel tanks, every 0-ring and seal, 
the 
fuel pump, the engine management computer, the O2 sensors and the 
injectors. To switch from pump gas to E85, the tank must be below 1/4 but not 
into 
the reserve. When the O2 sensors (4) detect the lean mixture of the E85, the 
system increases flow through the injectors to get the mixture back into the 
right range. This proves why E85 cannot be used in cars that can't do this.

Flex fuel cars also use considerably more fuel so their range is shorter.

As to Brazilian cars running on ethanol, they have different fuel systems 
than US cars, despite statements to the contrary. As do race cars. 

BTW, Porsche 911s with CIS engines that are not used much are having fuel 
distributor failures in California. 

RLE
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: w126 Cluster

2010-10-15 Thread Barry Stark
Had a cracked trace on my '81 cluster fixed it the same way 13 years ago and
still fine.

Barry

 -Original Message-
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: w126 Cluster
 
  the traces on the board became fuses.
 
 I did this on the 380SL.  Easy enough to open it up
 and bridge across the blown trace.
 
 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb special in Guthrie

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:59:12 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just what he needs - tilt the bed, and wench those cars right up!
 
 http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2007750041.html

But what is the bungee cord around the steering wheel for?


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Re: [MBZ] '94 E420 Ignition Cable Question

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:45:33 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now I understand the screw connector! I was thinking back to my VW days
 - where the male screw was in the spark plug connector - and screwed
 into the wire, making contact as it went in.

And while I was snooping around in the W124 manual, guess what I found!
Section 15-0512 is Replacing ignition cables with M3 cable screw, which
describes just what I went through.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb special in Guthrie

2010-10-15 Thread OK Don
We probably don't want to know ---

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:59:12 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  Just what he needs - tilt the bed, and wench those cars right up!
 
  http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2007750041.html

 But what is the bungee cord around the steering wheel for?


 Craig

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[MBZ] Snooping around the '124 CD for '94 E420

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
As I mentioned to Don, I was snooping around the '124 CD this evening.

The reason for that is that I found a large coil resistor mounted
underneath the ABS unit next to the ignition coils. This Big Hairy
Resistor (TM) has the wire broken off its upper terminal.

I sent out another email with pictures of the BHR and its location about
three hours ago, but Kaleb hasn't approved it yet.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Does anyone know what it's for?

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb special in Guthrie

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:56:21 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 We probably don't want to know ---

Ah. I see.


Craig


 
 On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
  On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:59:12 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Just what he needs - tilt the bed, and wench those cars right up!
  
   http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2007750041.html
 
  But what is the bungee cord around the steering wheel for?
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Back to clattering

2010-10-15 Thread Kevin Kraly
The 6.7L Cummins is a torque monster, but seems to do it pretty quietly. 
The 6 speed auto and built-in exhaust brake is nice and smooth.  Other than 
the emissions hang-ups, it's a good setup.  I agree about the later Ford 
PSD's, but I hope that this new in-house designed 6.7L V8 PSD turns out to 
be good.  The 7.3L was so reliable for many years until these smaller 
displacement PSD's entered the picture in 2003.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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[MBZ] Unintended Acceleration

2010-10-15 Thread Larry T
Remember this topic?  I had a interesting experience yesterday.   I noticed 
my Cruise Control had stopped working but the fuses were ok - I didn’t look 
farther than that and was in a hurry.


We were driving home and as I accelerated hard to join/merge with the 
traffic on I-95 I noticed the car continued to accelerate after I lifted my 
foot  I found the engine still accelerating!  I got on the brakes and 
pulled over, then stopped, turned it off and put it in park.  Once traffic 
passed I got out and opened the hood  discovered 2 things - why the CC didn’t 
work and why the accelerator was jammed.  Seems the connector piece between 
the cruise thingie and the accelerator thingie had fallen off and when I 
opened the throttle it fell into the opening  jammed the throttle nearly 
wide open.  Not much fun but it could have been worse.  Popped it back into 
place and was on my way


Wonder if they checked that on the Toyota's?

My fun and games for October 14.  ;-)

LarryT
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] E85

2010-10-15 Thread Dieselhead
Yo Fool!  E85 is for flex fuel vehicles, not for regular gassers.  I 
never said you should run e85 in anything that was not made for it. 
In the civilized parts of the country, lots of gassers since 
somewhere in the 90s are flex fuel.  My 99 van was flex fuel and the 
2000 van is flex fuel.  My next van will also be flex fuel unless I 
get a sprinter.


Pooch-head stated Flex fuel cars also use considerably more fuel so 
their range is shorter.   That is patently untrue.  a flex fuel 
vehicle burning e10 has the same range as the same vehicle in the 
non-flex fuel version (assuming the same engine, tanks size etc.) 
burning the same fuel in the same conditions.  The same flex fuel 
vehicle running E85 will have a shorter range when it is burning E85. 
This is because E85 has fewer BTUs per pound than gasoline.


The gummit this week stated that 90% of all vehicles on the road now 
are 1990 or newer.  The gummit also only approved e15 for 2007 and 
newer vehicles.  Not your 1957 pooch.  So run your pooch and your 
hupmobie on avgas or whatever voodoo magic you want.


Like it or not, cellulosic ethanol will be the fuel of the future 
(along with Diesel) until something that is now sci fi comes along 
and is cheaper and better.  It is going to be tough to compete with 
ethanol that can be produced for $1/gallon.



Not beyond 10% ethanol, despite what has been posted by Greasehead. He
admits he knows nothing about cars beyond maybe the mid 90's (this week, in
fact) but claims that it's all irrelevant.

The fact is that the manufacturers do know what's required to use ethanol
beyond 10%. My 2008 C300 automatic is MB's only US market flex fuel vehicle
designed for E85. Every single component that is touched by the fuel is
different than the rest of their cars. The fuel tanks, every 0-ring 
and seal, the

fuel pump, the engine management computer, the O2 sensors and the
injectors. To switch from pump gas to E85, the tank must be below 
1/4 but not into

the reserve. When the O2 sensors (4) detect the lean mixture of the E85, the
system increases flow through the injectors to get the mixture back into the
right range. This proves why E85 cannot be used in cars that can't do this.

Flex fuel cars also use considerably more fuel so their range is shorter.

As to Brazilian cars running on ethanol, they have different fuel systems
than US cars, despite statements to the contrary. As do race cars.

BTW, Porsche 911s with CIS engines that are not used much are having fuel
distributor failures in California.

RLE




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Re: [MBZ] Unintended Acceleration

2010-10-15 Thread Craig
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:33:56 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
wrote:

 Remember this topic?  I had a interesting experience yesterday.
   
 Seems the connector piece between the cruise thingie and the
 accelerator thingie had fallen off and when I opened the throttle it
 fell into the opening  jammed the throttle nearly wide open.  Not much
 fun but it could have been worse.  Popped it back into place and was on
 my way

Glad you were able to get it stopped and were able to easily fix the
problem!


 My fun and games for October 14.  ;-)

Those kinds of fun and games we all can do without!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb special in Guthrie

2010-10-15 Thread Dieselhead

Where's the wench?  I am sure Hendrick would like to see her!



Just what he needs - tilt the bed, and wench those cars right up!

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2007750041.html

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Re: [MBZ] Snooping around the '124 CD for '94 E420

2010-10-15 Thread Jim Cathey
Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Does anyone know what it's 
for?


Ignition?  Low speed on auxiliary fan?

-- Jim



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