[MBZ] 560 POSEL

[Jim Cathey]

Wretched POS!  My wife came to pick me up at lunch, and just before
she got there she called me saying there were banging noises coming
from the car.  She rolled up, and there was steam rising from the
hood.  I popped it and had a look, and washer tank was boiling.
Weird!  I'd guessed that the washer tank thermostat had failed open,
and the car was boiling off the fluid.  The engine was hotter than
normal, but not in the danger zone.  (Odd, in winter.)  The radiator
was cool to cold.  We got in and went a block or so to lunch.  (Evil
intersection, hate it on foot.)  The banging noises were coming from
the console.  While eating I thought about it, nothing added up.
Afterwards I popped the hood and had another look.  I opened the
coolant reservoir, and what I thought was a visible level was just a
stain in the tank, it was empty.  1.5 gallons of water into reservoir
later and it's full.  Low coolant!  Where did it all go?  Why did not
the low coolant light come on?

Obviously the car lost its coolant, somehow, and gotten low to the
point that radiator flow was disrupted.  Enough was left to carry heat
to the washer tank, which was boiling off, and coolant was boiling in
the heater core.  Very much not good.  Perhaps the engine was not
damaged, or perhaps it _was_ already damaged and that's what
started this?

At least the suspension was still OK.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT Stinking Windows installation

[Walt Zarnoch]

Try booting into windows repair mode off the CD?
I say go Linux! ;)

Walt, who converted to penguin processing power in 2K5 :)
On Jan 13, 2011 11:48 PM, "Peter Frederick"  wrote:
> I hope someone can help me with a Windoze machine -- it's my
> brother's HP, about 6 years old or so. Put another used (supposedly
> working) board in because the original was suffering from overheat
> shudowns in spite of cleaning the heat sink, replacing the fan, and
> using Arctic Sliver thermal paste.
>
> My problem is that although it booted up, when I tried to re-activate
> Windows it reboots instead. Eventually it won't reboot. It did load
> new drivers for all the "new" hardware (new MB), and will run just
> fine in safe mode, but crashes in a variety of ways when I attempt to
> start windows normally.
>
> I have not replaced the power supply (will try that tomorrow), but
> get an occasional blue screen of death telling me that (DUH) I have a
> device driver problem. Of course I do, I can't load them after
> repairing the installation because it won't start!.
>
> Any advice (beside buy a Mac, which is what I would do)?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ps. I hate windoze.
>
> Peer
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[MBZ] OT Stinking Windows installation

[Peter Frederick]

I hope someone can help me with a Windoze machine -- it's my  
brother's HP, about 6 years old or so.  Put another used (supposedly  
working) board in because the original was suffering from overheat  
shudowns in spite of cleaning the heat sink, replacing the fan, and  
using Arctic Sliver thermal paste.


My problem is that although it booted up, when I tried to re-activate  
Windows it reboots instead.  Eventually it won't reboot.  It did load  
new drivers for all the "new" hardware (new MB), and will run just  
fine in safe mode, but crashes in a variety of ways when I attempt to  
start windows normally.


I have not replaced the power supply (will try that tomorrow), but  
get an occasional blue screen of death telling me that (DUH) I have a  
device driver problem.  Of course I do, I can't load them after  
repairing the installation because it won't start!.


Any advice (beside buy a Mac, which is what I would do)?

Thanks!

ps.  I hate windoze.

Peer

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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Hendrik & Fay]

They were lucky, I being reading/seeing reports of people being trapped 
in there houses as the flood waters carried the house downstream and all 
eyewitness could do was stand & listen to the screams.


Rich Thomas wrote:
I saw this clip on the news last night, a guy, his wife, and their 
child in a shelter.  I was sorta amazed in that they looked like a 
typical merkin goober couple these days, she quite hefty, he somewhat 
skinny like a heavy smoker or meth head (or both).  The woman did all 
the speaking, the guy just sat there making this grunting sort of 
acknowledgment sound every couple of seconds.  Had it not been for the 
Aussie accent I would have sworn they were backwoods redneck crackas.  
I felt bad for them though, as everything they had was gone, they 
barely escaped with what clothes they had on.


--R


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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Hendrik & Fay]

Just wanted to let you know Walt that your country does still  "get it" 
& we sure appreciate it.


The offer of help came from Hilary Clinton just before Christmas when 
the flood situation got bad & was starting to spread through the state.






Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I realize there is a difference in "world status", but the media was all
over the "donate anything you can!" angle with Haiti, and it just seems odd
that I've not heard a peep in regards to this.

I'm glad that there is an offer on the table though, it strengthens my small
belife that we as a country still "get it".

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Hendrik & Fay]

You summed that up well, in outback Queensland there are a lot of 
backwoods redneck crackas!




Rich Thomas wrote:
I saw this clip on the news last night, a guy, his wife, and their 
child in a shelter.  I was sorta amazed in that they looked like a 
typical merkin goober couple these days, she quite hefty, he somewhat 
skinny like a heavy smoker or meth head (or both).  The woman did all 
the speaking, the guy just sat there making this grunting sort of 
acknowledgment sound every couple of seconds.  Had it not been for the 
Aussie accent I would have sworn they were backwoods redneck crackas.  
I felt bad for them though, as everything they had was gone, they 
barely escaped with what clothes they had on.


--R




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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Walt Zarnoch]

I realize there is a difference in "world status", but the media was all
over the "donate anything you can!" angle with Haiti, and it just seems odd
that I've not heard a peep in regards to this.

I'm glad that there is an offer on the table though, it strengthens my small
belife that we as a country still "get it".

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Rich Thomas]

When I was a kid my dad bought this little transistor radio that had cop 
frequencies on it along with AM and FM.  It also picked up mobile 
phones, which at that time were these huge affairs that took up about 3 
cuft and had a full-size corded handset.  I recall there was this one 
guy I would hear all the time, talking to his girlfriend on the phone 
from the car, after he left his wife at home and was driving around.  
Trouble is you could only hear one side of the conversation (the car) as 
the receiving freq must have been different.  He must have lived in the 
neighborhood somewhere, I think he was like a sales guy or real estate 
agent or something.  I was like 14 or something, and learned a lot about 
quite a bit from listening to this guy.  Too funny.  When my dad found 
out what I was so intent on listening too, he took it away from me, and 
I caught him listening a time or two.


--R

On 1/13/2011 6:27 PM, E M wrote:

I just remembered, my old 300E had a mercedes (dealer installed?) built in
phone when I got it, along with a hands free mic on the A pillar.  The hard
wiring for the antenna, and wire that's hidden behind the A pillar remain,
but I yanked out the phone as soon as I got it.  I did the same with my old
911.  Back then, a car phone was a pretty rare thing.  Yeah, they were
called "car phones" at that time too, not mobiles, or cell phones.  Go
figure, eh.

Ed
300E

On 13 January 2011 18:03, R A Bennell  wrote:


Well, my car is in the garage for the duration of the cold weather so not
much to do on it for a bit. I did buy a new set of H4 headlights for it and
will install them come spring. May even go the route of relays and higher
wattage bulbs if the H4's that I have are not a significant improvement.

I have other issues too like seats that are disintegrating but again, that
may have to wait for some warmer weather.

I did look up the local statute and regulations to see if it will likely
pose a problem to use my cell phone camera. I "suspect" that I may get away
with it so long as I have my Bluetooth doodad on the visor so I can show an
officer that I do have the ability to use it hands free. The regs say one
cannot even look at or hold the phone but I am guessing that I can just tell
them I was checking the battery level or checking to see if it was actually
on, and will get away with it.

Not sure what they might say about the camera issue. The regs do not say
anything about the use of cameras but do say you cannot use a device that
includes a cell phone.

Randy

On 13/01/2011 4:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:


Having lived for 65 years in what may be the most corrupt state in the
U.S.; (Since 2000 Florida had the most, [729], federal corruption
convictions of any state with second place New York far behind with only
633); we Floridians don't necessarily obey onerous laws to the letter.  We
find ways to avoid them.
For example, a friend who is a sales rep frequently gets calls from
customers while he's driving.
When he was driving through counties that had the "no cell phone" law, he
would put his cell phone between two pieces of bread and hold it up to his
ear.  The single time a cop stopped him, he dropped the bread slices and the
cell phone on the floor and picked up a real sandwich.
The conversation went something like this:
"You were talking on a cell phone and that is illegal while you are
driving."
"I was eating a sandwich."
"Why did you have it up to your ear?"
"So I could see where I was going."
"Where is the sandwich?"
He picked up a real sandwich which had a bite out of it.
"Where is your cellphone?"
He pretended to look for it and then retrieved it from the floor.
The cop went back to his car and apparently called headquarters.
"You can go.", said the cop.
That was the only time he was stopped, and he won't have that
problem again since he bought a new car which has a
built-in microphone and speaker.

Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of bread for the lens,
Randy, and use your cellphone camera the same way.
Of course, if you were a lawyer in Florida you would have
nothing to worry about since cops never ticket lawyers unless
they're blind drunk or politicians in a different party than the
sheriffs or chiefs.

I saw in the "sheriffs list" in the local paper where a woman had
been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon because she had
one of those little "pepper spray" cannisters in her purse.
Interesting.
Gerry
Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?


From: "R A Bennell"


So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic
answer.
Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the
fines for use of cell p

Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Rich Thomas]

I saw this clip on the news last night, a guy, his wife, and their child 
in a shelter.  I was sorta amazed in that they looked like a typical 
merkin goober couple these days, she quite hefty, he somewhat skinny 
like a heavy smoker or meth head (or both).  The woman did all the 
speaking, the guy just sat there making this grunting sort of 
acknowledgment sound every couple of seconds.  Had it not been for the 
Aussie accent I would have sworn they were backwoods redneck crackas.  I 
felt bad for them though, as everything they had was gone, they barely 
escaped with what clothes they had on.


--R

On 1/13/2011 9:28 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

Walt,

Along with other countries the American government have offered to 
help in any way they can.


The people of Queensland will be grateful for any help they can get - 
last reports were that the 70 cities & towns have been affected, there 
have been 15 deaths, 61 people are still unaccounted for & 8,500 
people are isolated in remote towns due to the flood waters.


Damage bill so far is $11billion & rising.

75% of Queensland has been affected by these floods & we will feel the 
effects of this across Oz for some time.
Mines have been flooded & food prices - which are high already - will 
escalate as a result of all the crops & livestock that have been wiped 
out.


Towns in Northern New South Wales are now being affected as the water 
flows down from Queensland.


Hendrik & I will donate what we can to help the state & we are far 
better off than the people of Haiti, but this would have to be the 
worst natural disaster to ever hit this country.


Fay


Mountain Man wrote:

Walt wrote:

And I have yet to see any US aid effort for our frriends down under...


Well - I would guess that the difference there is that Haiti is third
world poor nation, whereas Brisbane is quite modern and financially
viable?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] documenting inappropriate driving

[Rich Thomas]

H Don't tell them, they have not yet figured that out!

--R

On 1/13/2011 8:16 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:

Rich,

i understand the problem you're complaining about; some of the 
LEOs drive ridiculously, whether on call or not.


i like the approach of using the radar gun to document the 
problems in your area, but are you really providing pictures that 
document yourself speeding while playing with a camera and testifying 
to having driven faster than the guys you're complaining about in 
order to catch up to them to take the pics?



cheers!
e


On 13/Jan/11 13:17, Rich Thomas wrote:
I snapped pics that showed (somewhat out of focus, but readable) my 
speedo and the cop car ahead (from which the license plate was 
visible).  The first one was going about 55 in a 45 zone, about 8ft 
off the bumper of the car ahead.  I pointed out this guy had passed 
me (as I was going the speed limit) then got right up on the bumper 
of this other car, that was actually speeding too.  I got up to their 
speed to get the pic, maybe 6-8 car lengths behind.  Time stamped 
photo from my cam.  The other guy just passed me, going way too fast, 
I got behind him, took the pic, 15 over.


I and some other community agitators have been back and forth with 
the Sheriff and his top guys for about a year and a half over people 
driving like fools on our roads, which are very narrow and have very 
large oak trees growing right on the edges.  We have a very high 
crash rate, and a fair number of fatalities.  Speeding, passing on 
yellow lines, tailgating, not paying attention and swerving all over 
(the trees do not move when hit).  We live on Johns Island, which is 
the 2nd largest island on the east coast (maybe the US, I need to 
look), and there is NO police presence here, no regular patrols, no 
station.  Nearest sheriff station is at least 5 mi away from the 
island, 20 mi from my house.  The county is 80 miles from one end to 
the other, there are only 9 patrol officers for the whole county.  
None of that is the Sheriff's fault as the county sets his budget, 
but we have been asking for more presence and have had ongoing 
conversations, I see him at county council meetings occasionally, so 
in touch.


On the second one the offender called me about 30 min after I sent 
the email, he was the Lt in charge of community relations, and a very 
nice guy.  We chatted for quite some time, then met later, he 
acknowledged not paying attention and speeding, and was very 
apologetic.  (I asked him how that would go over with Judge Linen, 
our local magistrate, he admitted "not very well").  Of course 
getting his butt reamed by the sheriff probably had some energizing 
effect, but he was very sincere and I think learned from it.  We did 
get more attention for a few weeks thereafter, but back to zero 
again.  I bought a sports radar gun ($80) and have occasionally been 
taking vids of speeders and a running commentary of speeds, that has 
got some attention too.  Got them to install an unmanned radar set up 
on one of the roads, and record speeds for a week, the highest speed 
was a deputy rushing to an armed robbery down the road a bit, doing 
110mph at 11PM (which on our roads is insane in the daylight) trying 
to go the 20 miles as fast as possible to get to the robbery.


I continue to community agitate...

--R

On 1/13/2011 1:50 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Tell us more.  How did you get photos and how did you convince the 
high Shire Riff?


I take my camera with me sometimes, and have busted 2 deputies for 
1) tailgaiting and speeding and 2) speeding (65 in 50 zone).  The 
Sheriff was not amused at his guys' behavior when I emailed the 
photos to him.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands freedevice??

[E M]

Hmmm, 10 years in, that tells me now is when the smart money will start
looking at used G Wagons.  That would also explain why the SL market is
sliding downhill.  Another 20 years, you'll only be able to take the top off
2 weeks a year. hee hee.  Mercedes is going to clean up with their new air
scarf option! ;-)

Ed
300E

On 13 January 2011 22:02, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nope, the data shows roughly 30 year heating and cooling cycles.  We are
> about 10 years into the cooling cycle.   Dr. Deming always said to never
> confuse normal variation with special cause variation. Albore never heard
> that lesson.
>
>
>  A number of years ago "global cooling" was popular.  Our effluents were
>> supposed to block out the sun and turn the world into a big ice cube.
>> Beginning to look like the "coolers" were right and the "warmers"
>> were wrong.
>> Gerry
>>
>> From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Actually, I think it is the calm before the storm, or it is just too cold
>>> and snowy in most places to even contemplate working on the car(s)  RIght
>>> now "Global warming"  and albore has delivered snow in a lot of the country
>>> that never sees snow of this volume.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerry
>>> Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
>>> benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
>>> strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
>>> has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands freedevice??

[E M]

Ever notice the coolers always proclaim the loudest that they were right,
during Jan. and Feb, and the warmers are fully convinced it is they who are
right, and tell you most often during July.  hee hee

Ed
300E

On 13 January 2011 21:09, Gerry Archer  wrote:

> A number of years ago "global cooling" was popular.  Our effluents were
> supposed to block out the sun and turn the world into a big ice cube.
> Beginning to look like the "coolers" were right and the "warmers"
> were wrong.
> Gerry
>
> From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>
>> Actually, I think it is the calm before the storm, or it is just too cold
>> and snowy in most places to even contemplate working on the car(s)  RIght
>> now "Global warming"  and albore has delivered snow in a lot of the country
>> that never sees snow of this volume.
>>
>>
>> Gerry
>> Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
>> benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
>> strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
>> has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?
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Re: [MBZ] stick shift S123 - Michigan

[Allan Streib]

Strange comment about the headlight.  If I had my car in the shop and they 
broke a headlight, they'd darn well replace it.

Allan

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:20 -0500, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
> As found on CL: http://centralmich.craigslist.org/cto/2158794889.html
>
> 1984 non turbo 300 wagon 4speed transmission. this car is a gray
> market euro delivered vehicle. It came from california to the great
> state of michigan where I bought it about ten years ago. I used it in
> my business delivering medical equipment till about 2008 when I parked
> it for a newer bigger vehicle. It still runs and could be driven
> safely. I had it listed with a lot of extra parts I collected to keep
> it running as well as about 100 gallons of wvo. If you wanted to do a
> wvo conversion I have plenty of it to give you a great start. interior
> is cloth, tires have always been michelin since I bought it, the front
> tires are a bit worn, back are still quite good. drivers side
> headlight lens needs replacement as it was broken by the body shop
> that painted the hood. I can be reached at 989-436-5561 call or text.
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Re: [MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands freedevice??

[Dieselhead]

Nope, the data shows roughly 30 year heating and cooling cycles.  We 
are about 10 years into the cooling cycle.   Dr. Deming always said 
to never confuse normal variation with special cause variation. 
Albore never heard that lesson.


A number of years ago "global cooling" was popular.  Our effluents 
were supposed to block out the sun and turn the world into a big ice 
cube. Beginning to look like the "coolers" were right and the 
"warmers"

were wrong.
Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
Actually, I think it is the calm before the storm, or it is just 
too cold and snowy in most places to even contemplate working on 
the car(s)  RIght now "Global warming"  and albore has delivered 
snow in a lot of the country that never sees snow of this volume.



Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Curt Raymond]

Actually, although my life seems to have fallen off the rails (I have gout, my 
laptop died, due to snowmageddon I didn't work yesterday so my class took extra 
time Tuesday night and tonight, and all the fools trying to commute at a 
million miles an hour and miss the road make commuting a nightmare) my MB seems 
to be doing well. I've finally put 1,000 miles on the '84 190D and it seems to 
be doing better every day. I do need to find time to tighten the wheel bearing 
I put in last week and get it aligned and put in a new cruise control amp (this 
one just wants to accelerate) but otherwise I'm quite pleased with it.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:45:30 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free
    device??
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Having lived for 65 years in what may be the most corrupt state in the U.S.; 
(Since 2000 Florida had the most, [729], federal corruption convictions of 
any state with second place New York far behind with only 633); we 
Floridians don't necessarily obey onerous laws to the letter.  We find ways 
to avoid them.
For example, a friend who is a sales rep frequently gets calls from 
customers while he's driving.
When he was driving through counties that had the "no cell phone" law, he 
would put his cell phone between two pieces of bread and hold it up to his 
ear.  The single time a cop stopped him, he dropped the bread slices and the 
cell phone on the floor and picked up a real sandwich.
The conversation went something like this:
"You were talking on a cell phone and that is illegal while you are 
driving."
"I was eating a sandwich."
"Why did you have it up to your ear?"
"So I could see where I was going."
"Where is the sandwich?"
He picked up a real sandwich which had a bite out of it.
"Where is your cellphone?"
He pretended to look for it and then retrieved it from the floor.
The cop went back to his car and apparently called headquarters.
"You can go.", said the cop.
That was the only time he was stopped, and he won't have that
problem again since he bought a new car which has a
built-in microphone and speaker.

Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of bread for the lens,
Randy, and use your cellphone camera the same way.
Of course, if you were a lawyer in Florida you would have
nothing to worry about since cops never ticket lawyers unless
they're blind drunk or politicians in a different party than the
sheriffs or chiefs.

I saw in the "sheriffs list" in the local paper where a woman had
been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon because she had
one of those little "pepper spray" cannisters in her purse.
Interesting.
Gerry
Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?


  
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Re: [MBZ] Is this a bender of rods? PHX CL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

not a rod bender, just a head cracker, and unless its pretty darn 
perfect, its overpriced.


On 1/13/2011 8:36 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2159336159.html

This is interesting:

it has good thread
the AC is merely cold
it is capable of 2,800,000 miles
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[MBZ] Price Keeps Coming Down....

[Bob Rentfro]

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/rvs/2157760179.html

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[MBZ] Is this a bender of rods? PHX CL

[Bob Rentfro]

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2159336159.html

This is interesting:

it has good thread
the AC is merely cold
it is capable of 2,800,000 miles
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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Hendrik & Fay]

Walt,

Along with other countries the American government have offered to help 
in any way they can.


The people of Queensland will be grateful for any help they can get - 
last reports were that the 70 cities & towns have been affected, there 
have been 15 deaths, 61 people are still unaccounted for & 8,500 people 
are isolated in remote towns due to the flood waters.


Damage bill so far is $11billion & rising.

75% of Queensland has been affected by these floods & we will feel the 
effects of this across Oz for some time.
Mines have been flooded & food prices - which are high already - will 
escalate as a result of all the crops & livestock that have been wiped out.


Towns in Northern New South Wales are now being affected as the water 
flows down from Queensland.


Hendrik & I will donate what we can to help the state & we are far 
better off than the people of Haiti, but this would have to be the worst 
natural disaster to ever hit this country.


Fay


Mountain Man wrote:

Walt wrote:
  

And I have yet to see any US aid effort for our frriends down under...



Well - I would guess that the difference there is that Haiti is third
world poor nation, whereas Brisbane is quite modern and financially
viable?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands freedevice??

[Mitch Haley]

Gerry Archer wrote:
A number of years ago "global cooling" was popular.  Our effluents were 
supposed to block out the sun and turn the world into a big ice cube. 
Beginning to look like the "coolers" were right and the "warmers"

were wrong.


Where I'm sitting was once under a huge glacier, and will be again. Man didn't 
cause it the first time, and I doubt he'll cause it next time, unless some of 
the climate change nuts get their way and are allowed to make a deliberate 
effort to screw up the atmosphere.

http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10/video_nathan_myhrvold_explains_how_to_save_the_world.html

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Tim C]

In North Carolina, the no-texting law was intentionally designed to
only ban forms of written communication - text messages, e-mail,
instant messages - where there was a recipient on the other end.  It
is discussed in the law that it allows other forms of typing that do
not have a communicative aspect; GPS and searching for a phone number
are mentioned, but I would speculate that camera, music, etc. would
also be legal for drivers over 18.

Our law does specifically say "mobile telephone" so I guess if you
have an e-mail device that does not have a phone on it then you are
golden - where are you, Palm?  But if you try that and get busted you
are on your own. :)

Definitely all this only applies in NC; I know some states have much
stricter laws, though I don't travel enough to say which.

-Tim
who did not type this while driving past Wilton's house

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:03 PM, R A Bennell  wrote:
> Well, my car is in the garage for the duration of the cold weather so not
> much to do on it for a bit. I did buy a new set of H4 headlights for it and
> will install them come spring. May even go the route of relays and higher
> wattage bulbs if the H4's that I have are not a significant improvement.
>
> I have other issues too like seats that are disintegrating but again, that
> may have to wait for some warmer weather.
>
> I did look up the local statute and regulations to see if it will likely
> pose a problem to use my cell phone camera. I "suspect" that I may get away
> with it so long as I have my Bluetooth doodad on the visor so I can show an
> officer that I do have the ability to use it hands free. The regs say one
> cannot even look at or hold the phone but I am guessing that I can just tell
> them I was checking the battery level or checking to see if it was actually
> on, and will get away with it.
>
> Not sure what they might say about the camera issue. The regs do not say
> anything about the use of cameras but do say you cannot use a device that
> includes a cell phone.
>
> Randy
>
> On 13/01/2011 4:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>>
>> Having lived for 65 years in what may be the most corrupt state in the
>> U.S.; (Since 2000 Florida had the most, [729], federal corruption
>> convictions of any state with second place New York far behind with only
>> 633); we Floridians don't necessarily obey onerous laws to the letter.  We
>> find ways to avoid them.
>> For example, a friend who is a sales rep frequently gets calls from
>> customers while he's driving.
>> When he was driving through counties that had the "no cell phone" law, he
>> would put his cell phone between two pieces of bread and hold it up to his
>> ear.  The single time a cop stopped him, he dropped the bread slices and the
>> cell phone on the floor and picked up a real sandwich.
>> The conversation went something like this:
>> "You were talking on a cell phone and that is illegal while you are
>> driving."
>> "I was eating a sandwich."
>> "Why did you have it up to your ear?"
>> "So I could see where I was going."
>> "Where is the sandwich?"
>> He picked up a real sandwich which had a bite out of it.
>> "Where is your cellphone?"
>> He pretended to look for it and then retrieved it from the floor.
>> The cop went back to his car and apparently called headquarters.
>> "You can go.", said the cop.
>> That was the only time he was stopped, and he won't have that
>> problem again since he bought a new car which has a
>> built-in microphone and speaker.
>>
>> Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of bread for the lens,
>> Randy, and use your cellphone camera the same way.
>> Of course, if you were a lawyer in Florida you would have
>> nothing to worry about since cops never ticket lawyers unless
>> they're blind drunk or politicians in a different party than the
>> sheriffs or chiefs.
>>
>> I saw in the "sheriffs list" in the local paper where a woman had
>> been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon because she had
>> one of those little "pepper spray" cannisters in her purse.
>> Interesting.
>> Gerry
>> Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
>> benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
>> strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
>> has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?
>>
>> 
>> From: "R A Bennell" 
>>>
>>> So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
>>> I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic
>>> answer.
>>> Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the
>>> fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I sometimes
>>> use it to take photos while driving if I see something interesting. It
>>> occurred to me recently, that this is probably no longer acceptable. If an
>>> officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am going to get the ticket and I
>

Re: [MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands freedevice??

[Gerry Archer]

A number of years ago "global cooling" was popular.  Our 
effluents were supposed to block out the sun and turn 
the world into a big ice cube. 
Beginning to look like the "coolers" were right and the "warmers"

were wrong.
Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
Actually, I think it is the calm before the storm, or it is just too 
cold and snowy in most places to even contemplate working on the 
car(s)  RIght now "Global warming"  and albore has delivered snow in 
a lot of the country that never sees snow of this volume.



Gerry
Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?

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[MBZ] documenting inappropriate driving (was: Re: fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??)

[ernest breakfield]

Rich,

i understand the problem you're complaining about; some of the LEOs 
drive ridiculously, whether on call or not.


i like the approach of using the radar gun to document the problems 
in your area, but are you really providing pictures that document 
yourself speeding while playing with a camera and testifying to having 
driven faster than the guys you're complaining about in order to catch 
up to them to take the pics?



cheers!
e


On 13/Jan/11 13:17, Rich Thomas wrote:
I snapped pics that showed (somewhat out of focus, but readable) my 
speedo and the cop car ahead (from which the license plate was 
visible).  The first one was going about 55 in a 45 zone, about 8ft 
off the bumper of the car ahead.  I pointed out this guy had passed me 
(as I was going the speed limit) then got right up on the bumper of 
this other car, that was actually speeding too.  I got up to their 
speed to get the pic, maybe 6-8 car lengths behind.  Time stamped 
photo from my cam.  The other guy just passed me, going way too fast, 
I got behind him, took the pic, 15 over.


I and some other community agitators have been back and forth with the 
Sheriff and his top guys for about a year and a half over people 
driving like fools on our roads, which are very narrow and have very 
large oak trees growing right on the edges.  We have a very high crash 
rate, and a fair number of fatalities.  Speeding, passing on yellow 
lines, tailgating, not paying attention and swerving all over (the 
trees do not move when hit).  We live on Johns Island, which is the 
2nd largest island on the east coast (maybe the US, I need to look), 
and there is NO police presence here, no regular patrols, no station.  
Nearest sheriff station is at least 5 mi away from the island, 20 mi 
from my house.  The county is 80 miles from one end to the other, 
there are only 9 patrol officers for the whole county.  None of that 
is the Sheriff's fault as the county sets his budget, but we have been 
asking for more presence and have had ongoing conversations, I see him 
at county council meetings occasionally, so in touch.


On the second one the offender called me about 30 min after I sent the 
email, he was the Lt in charge of community relations, and a very nice 
guy.  We chatted for quite some time, then met later, he acknowledged 
not paying attention and speeding, and was very apologetic.  (I asked 
him how that would go over with Judge Linen, our local magistrate, he 
admitted "not very well").  Of course getting his butt reamed by the 
sheriff probably had some energizing effect, but he was very sincere 
and I think learned from it.  We did get more attention for a few 
weeks thereafter, but back to zero again.  I bought a sports radar gun 
($80) and have occasionally been taking vids of speeders and a running 
commentary of speeds, that has got some attention too.  Got them to 
install an unmanned radar set up on one of the roads, and record 
speeds for a week, the highest speed was a deputy rushing to an armed 
robbery down the road a bit, doing 110mph at 11PM (which on our roads 
is insane in the daylight) trying to go the 20 miles as fast as 
possible to get to the robbery.


I continue to community agitate...

--R

On 1/13/2011 1:50 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Tell us more.  How did you get photos and how did you convince the 
high Shire Riff?


I take my camera with me sometimes, and have busted 2 deputies for 
1) tailgaiting and speeding and 2) speeding (65 in 50 zone).  The 
Sheriff was not amused at his guys' behavior when I emailed the 
photos to him.


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[MBZ] stick shift S123 - Michigan

[Mitch Haley]

As found on CL:
http://centralmich.craigslist.org/cto/2158794889.html

1984 non turbo 300 wagon 4speed transmission. this car is a gray market euro 
delivered vehicle. It came from california to the great state of michigan where 
I bought it about ten years ago. I used it in my business delivering medical 
equipment till about 2008 when I parked it for a newer bigger vehicle. It still 
runs and could be driven safely. I had it listed with a lot of extra parts I 
collected to keep it running as well as about 100 gallons of wvo. If you wanted 
to do a wvo conversion I have plenty of it to give you a great start. interior 
is cloth, tires have always been michelin since I bought it, the front tires are 
a bit worn, back are still quite good. drivers side headlight lens needs 
replacement as it was broken by the body shop that painted the hood. I can be 
reached at 989-436-5561 call or text.


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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Mountain Man]

Walt wrote:
> And I have yet to see any US aid effort for our frriends down under...

Well - I would guess that the difference there is that Haiti is third
world poor nation, whereas Brisbane is quite modern and financially
viable?
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Re: [MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[E M]

A friend with an American car said the same thing.  It's about 12 years old,
and had only very slight rust last year.  But it just took off over the
winter, and he even has a few small perforations!

I give the cars a good soaking in both the regular Rustcheck, and the
thicker farm grade stuff in the late Fall.  I'm sure most washes off, but I
try to top up the most vulnerable spots, whenever we get the odd dry day.
Sills and fender lips seem to take the most beating here.

Ed
300E

On 13 January 2011 20:01, Allan Streib  wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:10 -0500, "E M"  wrote:
> > -12 here today, and I washed the cars with a big 5 gallon bucket of
> > hot water.  Had to work fast to bet the dirt off before the water
> > froze.  I'm not a big fan of washing salty cars too much in the
> > winter, but at the same time, I can't stand a dirty car either!!
>
> I washed my car today, it was white with salt and I just had to get the
> worst of it off.  Went to one of those high-pressure-wand places.  Sprayed
> the locks with lock anti-freeze afterwards.
>
> Some of the rust that was just bubbles last fall has really advanced.  I
> was shocked at how much it had spread on the lip of the rear fender, for
> example.  I'm going to have to get out the grinder and welder this spring
> and see if I can nip this before it becomes a terminal issue.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Allan Streib]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:10 -0500, "E M"  wrote:
> -12 here today, and I washed the cars with a big 5 gallon bucket of
> hot water.  Had to work fast to bet the dirt off before the water
> froze.  I'm not a big fan of washing salty cars too much in the
> winter, but at the same time, I can't stand a dirty car either!!

I washed my car today, it was white with salt and I just had to get the worst 
of it off.  Went to one of those high-pressure-wand places.  Sprayed the locks 
with lock anti-freeze afterwards.

Some of the rust that was just bubbles last fall has really advanced.  I was 
shocked at how much it had spread on the lip of the rear fender, for example.  
I'm going to have to get out the grinder and welder this spring and see if I 
can nip this before it becomes a terminal issue.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[LWB250]

I got a kick out of seeing one of the old bag phones when I was watching "The 
Big Lebowski" the other night

The Dude abides.

Dan


--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:33 PM
> Car phones as opposed to the
> alternative, Bag phones.
> 
> 
> >I just remembered, my old 300E had a mercedes (dealer
> installed?) built in
> >phone when I got it, along with a hands free mic on the
> A pillar.  The hard
> >wiring for the antenna, and wire that's hidden behind
> the A pillar remain,
> >but I yanked out the phone as soon as I got it.  I
> did the same with my old
> >911.  Back then, a car phone was a pretty rare
> thing.  Yeah, they were
> >called "car phones" at that time too, not mobiles, or
> cell phones.  Go
> >figure, eh.
> >
> >Ed
> >300E
> >
> >On 13 January 2011 18:03, R A Bennell 
> wrote:
> >
> >>  Well, my car is in the garage for the
> duration of the cold weather so not
> >>  much to do on it for a bit. I did buy a new
> set of H4 headlights for it and
> >>  will install them come spring. May even go
> the route of relays and higher
> >>  wattage bulbs if the H4's that I have are
> not a significant improvement.
> >>
> >>  I have other issues too like seats that are
> disintegrating but again, that
> >>  may have to wait for some warmer weather.
> >>
> >>  I did look up the local statute and
> regulations to see if it will likely
> >>  pose a problem to use my cell phone camera.
> I "suspect" that I may get away
> >>  with it so long as I have my Bluetooth
> doodad on the visor so I can show an
> >>  officer that I do have the ability to use it
> hands free. The regs say one
> >>  cannot even look at or hold the phone but I
> am guessing that I can just tell
> >>  them I was checking the battery level or
> checking to see if it was actually
> >>  on, and will get away with it.
> >>
> >>  Not sure what they might say about the
> camera issue. The regs do not say
> >>  anything about the use of cameras but do say
> you cannot use a device that
> >>  includes a cell phone.
> >>
> >>  Randy
> >>
> >>  On 13/01/2011 4:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Having lived for 65 years in what may be
> the most corrupt state in the
> >>>  U.S.; (Since 2000 Florida had the most,
> [729], federal corruption
> >>>  convictions of any state with second
> place New York far behind with only
> >>>  633); we Floridians don't necessarily
> obey onerous laws to the letter.  We
> >>>  find ways to avoid them.
> >>>  For example, a friend who is a sales rep
> frequently gets calls from
> >>>  customers while he's driving.
> >>>  When he was driving through counties
> that had the "no cell phone" law, he
> >>>  would put his cell phone between two
> pieces of bread and hold it up to his
> >>>  ear.  The single time a cop stopped
> him, he dropped the bread 
> >>>slices and the
> >>>  cell phone on the floor and picked up a
> real sandwich.
> >>>  The conversation went something like
> this:
> >>>  "You were talking on a cell phone and
> that is illegal while you are
> >>>  driving."
> >>>  "I was eating a sandwich."
> >>>  "Why did you have it up to your ear?"
> >>>  "So I could see where I was going."
> >>>  "Where is the sandwich?"
> >>>  He picked up a real sandwich which had a
> bite out of it.
> >>>  "Where is your cellphone?"
> >>>  He pretended to look for it and then
> retrieved it from the floor.
> >>>  The cop went back to his car and
> apparently called headquarters.
> >>>  "You can go.", said the cop.
> >>>  That was the only time he was stopped,
> and he won't have that
> >>>  problem again since he bought a new car
> which has a
> >>>  built-in microphone and speaker.
> >>>
> >>>  Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of
> bread for the lens,
> >>>  Randy, and use your cellphone camera the
> same way.
> >>>  Of course, if you were a lawyer in
> Florida you would have
> >>>  nothing to worry about since cops never
> ticket lawyers unless
> >>>  they're blind drunk or politicians in a
> different party than the
> >>>  sheriffs or chiefs.
> >>>
> >>>  I saw in the "sheriffs list" in the
> local paper where a woman had
> >>>  been arrested for carrying a concealed
> weapon because she had
> >>>  one of those little "pepper spray"
> cannisters in her purse.
> >>>  Interesting.
> >>>  Gerry
> >>>  Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk
> and simply enjoy the OT and
> >>>  benefit from the descriptions of
> Mercedes fixes, but for some
> >>>  strange reason our old Mercedes are
> running well and no one
> >  >> has any OT to talk about.  Maybe
> it's a good omen; or bad?
> >>>
> >>> 
> 
> >>>  From: "R A Bennell" 
> >>>
>   So, to start with, I know, I am a
> lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
>   I don't know and am wondered if any
> of y

Re: [MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[E M]

-12 here today, and I washed the cars with a big 5 gallon bucket of hot
water.  Had to work fast to bet the dirt off before the water froze.  I'm
not a big fan of washing salty cars too much in the winter, but at the same
time, I can't stand a dirty car either!!

Ed
300E

On 13 January 2011 18:19, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, I think it is the calm before the storm, or it is just too cold
> and snowy in most places to even contemplate working on the car(s)  RIght
> now "Global warming"  and albore has delivered snow in a lot of the country
> that never sees snow of this volume.
>
>
> Gerry
> Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
> benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
> strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
> has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?
>
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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:

Car phones as opposed to the alternative, Bag phones.


About twenty years ago, I heard about a $10 a month (includes ten free minutes 
of talk) deal and wanted them to sell me a used car phone and a used bag phone, 
cloning them so I could use whichever one I wanted at any given time. The 
Verizon rep refused, of course. And I refused to pay $10 a month for a phone I 
couldn't take out of the car. My aunt got one a few years later. When they shut 
down the analog network four years ago, they gave her a new phone for free, 
about 1/5 the size of the old phone, and they still charge her 9.99 a month.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Dieselhead]

Car phones as opposed to the alternative, Bag phones.



I just remembered, my old 300E had a mercedes (dealer installed?) built in
phone when I got it, along with a hands free mic on the A pillar.  The hard
wiring for the antenna, and wire that's hidden behind the A pillar remain,
but I yanked out the phone as soon as I got it.  I did the same with my old
911.  Back then, a car phone was a pretty rare thing.  Yeah, they were
called "car phones" at that time too, not mobiles, or cell phones.  Go
figure, eh.

Ed
300E

On 13 January 2011 18:03, R A Bennell  wrote:


 Well, my car is in the garage for the duration of the cold weather so not
 much to do on it for a bit. I did buy a new set of H4 headlights for it and
 will install them come spring. May even go the route of relays and higher
 wattage bulbs if the H4's that I have are not a significant improvement.

 I have other issues too like seats that are disintegrating but again, that
 may have to wait for some warmer weather.

 I did look up the local statute and regulations to see if it will likely
 pose a problem to use my cell phone camera. I "suspect" that I may get away
 with it so long as I have my Bluetooth doodad on the visor so I can show an
 officer that I do have the ability to use it hands free. The regs say one
 cannot even look at or hold the phone but I am guessing that I can just tell
 them I was checking the battery level or checking to see if it was actually
 on, and will get away with it.

 Not sure what they might say about the camera issue. The regs do not say
 anything about the use of cameras but do say you cannot use a device that
 includes a cell phone.

 Randy

 On 13/01/2011 4:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:


 Having lived for 65 years in what may be the most corrupt state in the
 U.S.; (Since 2000 Florida had the most, [729], federal corruption
 convictions of any state with second place New York far behind with only
 633); we Floridians don't necessarily obey onerous laws to the letter.  We
 find ways to avoid them.
 For example, a friend who is a sales rep frequently gets calls from
 customers while he's driving.
 When he was driving through counties that had the "no cell phone" law, he
 would put his cell phone between two pieces of bread and hold it up to his
 ear.  The single time a cop stopped him, he dropped the bread 
slices and the

 cell phone on the floor and picked up a real sandwich.
 The conversation went something like this:
 "You were talking on a cell phone and that is illegal while you are
 driving."
 "I was eating a sandwich."
 "Why did you have it up to your ear?"
 "So I could see where I was going."
 "Where is the sandwich?"
 He picked up a real sandwich which had a bite out of it.
 "Where is your cellphone?"
 He pretended to look for it and then retrieved it from the floor.
 The cop went back to his car and apparently called headquarters.
 "You can go.", said the cop.
 That was the only time he was stopped, and he won't have that
 problem again since he bought a new car which has a
 built-in microphone and speaker.

 Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of bread for the lens,
 Randy, and use your cellphone camera the same way.
 Of course, if you were a lawyer in Florida you would have
 nothing to worry about since cops never ticket lawyers unless
 they're blind drunk or politicians in a different party than the
 sheriffs or chiefs.

 I saw in the "sheriffs list" in the local paper where a woman had
 been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon because she had
 one of those little "pepper spray" cannisters in her purse.
 Interesting.
 Gerry
 Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
 benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
 strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one

 >> has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?


 
 From: "R A Bennell" 


 So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
 I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic
 answer.
 Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the
 fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?

 The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I sometimes
 use it to take photos while driving if I see something interesting. It
 occurred to me recently, that this is probably no longer acceptable. If an
 officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am going to get the ticket and I
 doubt he has to prove I was actually phoning someone. The phone company
 should be able to provide evidence that I was not on a call at 
that time but

 that might not be sufficient to get one off - and one would have to waste
 the time going to fight the ticket which would cost more than the ticket.

 Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any
 better?  I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic
 devices rather than "cell phones".

 Ra

[MBZ] Calm Was: fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Dieselhead]

Actually, I think it is the calm before the storm, or it is just too 
cold and snowy in most places to even contemplate working on the 
car(s)  RIght now "Global warming"  and albore has delivered snow in 
a lot of the country that never sees snow of this volume.



Gerry
Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[E M]

I just remembered, my old 300E had a mercedes (dealer installed?) built in
phone when I got it, along with a hands free mic on the A pillar.  The hard
wiring for the antenna, and wire that's hidden behind the A pillar remain,
but I yanked out the phone as soon as I got it.  I did the same with my old
911.  Back then, a car phone was a pretty rare thing.  Yeah, they were
called "car phones" at that time too, not mobiles, or cell phones.  Go
figure, eh.

Ed
300E

On 13 January 2011 18:03, R A Bennell  wrote:

> Well, my car is in the garage for the duration of the cold weather so not
> much to do on it for a bit. I did buy a new set of H4 headlights for it and
> will install them come spring. May even go the route of relays and higher
> wattage bulbs if the H4's that I have are not a significant improvement.
>
> I have other issues too like seats that are disintegrating but again, that
> may have to wait for some warmer weather.
>
> I did look up the local statute and regulations to see if it will likely
> pose a problem to use my cell phone camera. I "suspect" that I may get away
> with it so long as I have my Bluetooth doodad on the visor so I can show an
> officer that I do have the ability to use it hands free. The regs say one
> cannot even look at or hold the phone but I am guessing that I can just tell
> them I was checking the battery level or checking to see if it was actually
> on, and will get away with it.
>
> Not sure what they might say about the camera issue. The regs do not say
> anything about the use of cameras but do say you cannot use a device that
> includes a cell phone.
>
> Randy
>
> On 13/01/2011 4:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>
>> Having lived for 65 years in what may be the most corrupt state in the
>> U.S.; (Since 2000 Florida had the most, [729], federal corruption
>> convictions of any state with second place New York far behind with only
>> 633); we Floridians don't necessarily obey onerous laws to the letter.  We
>> find ways to avoid them.
>> For example, a friend who is a sales rep frequently gets calls from
>> customers while he's driving.
>> When he was driving through counties that had the "no cell phone" law, he
>> would put his cell phone between two pieces of bread and hold it up to his
>> ear.  The single time a cop stopped him, he dropped the bread slices and the
>> cell phone on the floor and picked up a real sandwich.
>> The conversation went something like this:
>> "You were talking on a cell phone and that is illegal while you are
>> driving."
>> "I was eating a sandwich."
>> "Why did you have it up to your ear?"
>> "So I could see where I was going."
>> "Where is the sandwich?"
>> He picked up a real sandwich which had a bite out of it.
>> "Where is your cellphone?"
>> He pretended to look for it and then retrieved it from the floor.
>> The cop went back to his car and apparently called headquarters.
>> "You can go.", said the cop.
>> That was the only time he was stopped, and he won't have that
>> problem again since he bought a new car which has a
>> built-in microphone and speaker.
>>
>> Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of bread for the lens,
>> Randy, and use your cellphone camera the same way.
>> Of course, if you were a lawyer in Florida you would have
>> nothing to worry about since cops never ticket lawyers unless
>> they're blind drunk or politicians in a different party than the
>> sheriffs or chiefs.
>>
>> I saw in the "sheriffs list" in the local paper where a woman had
>> been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon because she had
>> one of those little "pepper spray" cannisters in her purse.
>> Interesting.
>> Gerry
>> Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
>> benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
>> strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
>> has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?
>>
>> 
>> From: "R A Bennell" 
>>
>>> So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
>>> I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic
>>> answer.
>>> Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the
>>> fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I sometimes
>>> use it to take photos while driving if I see something interesting. It
>>> occurred to me recently, that this is probably no longer acceptable. If an
>>> officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am going to get the ticket and I
>>> doubt he has to prove I was actually phoning someone. The phone company
>>> should be able to provide evidence that I was not on a call at that time but
>>> that might not be sufficient to get one off - and one would have to waste
>>> the time going to fight the ticket which would cost more than the ticket.
>>>
>>> Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any
>>> better?  I 

Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[R A Bennell]

Well, my car is in the garage for the duration of the cold weather so 
not much to do on it for a bit. I did buy a new set of H4 headlights for 
it and will install them come spring. May even go the route of relays 
and higher wattage bulbs if the H4's that I have are not a significant 
improvement.


I have other issues too like seats that are disintegrating but again, 
that may have to wait for some warmer weather.


I did look up the local statute and regulations to see if it will likely 
pose a problem to use my cell phone camera. I "suspect" that I may get 
away with it so long as I have my Bluetooth doodad on the visor so I can 
show an officer that I do have the ability to use it hands free. The 
regs say one cannot even look at or hold the phone but I am guessing 
that I can just tell them I was checking the battery level or checking 
to see if it was actually on, and will get away with it.


Not sure what they might say about the camera issue. The regs do not say 
anything about the use of cameras but do say you cannot use a device 
that includes a cell phone.


Randy

On 13/01/2011 4:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
Having lived for 65 years in what may be the most corrupt state in the 
U.S.; (Since 2000 Florida had the most, [729], federal corruption 
convictions of any state with second place New York far behind with 
only 633); we Floridians don't necessarily obey onerous laws to the 
letter.  We find ways to avoid them.
For example, a friend who is a sales rep frequently gets calls from 
customers while he's driving.
When he was driving through counties that had the "no cell phone" law, 
he would put his cell phone between two pieces of bread and hold it up 
to his ear.  The single time a cop stopped him, he dropped the bread 
slices and the cell phone on the floor and picked up a real sandwich.

The conversation went something like this:
"You were talking on a cell phone and that is illegal while you are 
driving."

"I was eating a sandwich."
"Why did you have it up to your ear?"
"So I could see where I was going."
"Where is the sandwich?"
He picked up a real sandwich which had a bite out of it.
"Where is your cellphone?"
He pretended to look for it and then retrieved it from the floor.
The cop went back to his car and apparently called headquarters.
"You can go.", said the cop.
That was the only time he was stopped, and he won't have that
problem again since he bought a new car which has a
built-in microphone and speaker.

Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of bread for the lens,
Randy, and use your cellphone camera the same way.
Of course, if you were a lawyer in Florida you would have
nothing to worry about since cops never ticket lawyers unless
they're blind drunk or politicians in a different party than the
sheriffs or chiefs.

I saw in the "sheriffs list" in the local paper where a woman had
been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon because she had
one of those little "pepper spray" cannisters in her purse.
Interesting.
Gerry
Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?


From: "R A Bennell" 

So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic 
answer.
Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose 
the fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?


The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I 
sometimes use it to take photos while driving if I see something 
interesting. It occurred to me recently, that this is probably no 
longer acceptable. If an officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am 
going to get the ticket and I doubt he has to prove I was actually 
phoning someone. The phone company should be able to provide evidence 
that I was not on a call at that time but that might not be 
sufficient to get one off - and one would have to waste the time 
going to fight the ticket which would cost more than the ticket.


Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any 
better?  I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic 
devices rather than "cell phones".


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Gerry Archer]

Having lived for 65 years in what may be the most corrupt state in the U.S.; 
(Since 2000 Florida had the most, [729], federal corruption convictions of 
any state with second place New York far behind with only 633); we 
Floridians don't necessarily obey onerous laws to the letter.  We find ways 
to avoid them.
For example, a friend who is a sales rep frequently gets calls from 
customers while he's driving.
When he was driving through counties that had the "no cell phone" law, he 
would put his cell phone between two pieces of bread and hold it up to his 
ear.  The single time a cop stopped him, he dropped the bread slices and the 
cell phone on the floor and picked up a real sandwich.

The conversation went something like this:
"You were talking on a cell phone and that is illegal while you are 
driving."

"I was eating a sandwich."
"Why did you have it up to your ear?"
"So I could see where I was going."
"Where is the sandwich?"
He picked up a real sandwich which had a bite out of it.
"Where is your cellphone?"
He pretended to look for it and then retrieved it from the floor.
The cop went back to his car and apparently called headquarters.
"You can go.", said the cop.
That was the only time he was stopped, and he won't have that
problem again since he bought a new car which has a
built-in microphone and speaker.

Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of bread for the lens,
Randy, and use your cellphone camera the same way.
Of course, if you were a lawyer in Florida you would have
nothing to worry about since cops never ticket lawyers unless
they're blind drunk or politicians in a different party than the
sheriffs or chiefs.

I saw in the "sheriffs list" in the local paper where a woman had
been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon because she had
one of those little "pepper spray" cannisters in her purse.
Interesting.
Gerry
Note:  Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and
benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some
strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one
has any OT to talk about.  Maybe it's a good omen; or bad?


From: "R A Bennell" 

So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic answer.
Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the 
fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?


The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I sometimes 
use it to take photos while driving if I see something interesting. It 
occurred to me recently, that this is probably no longer acceptable. If an 
officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am going to get the ticket and I 
doubt he has to prove I was actually phoning someone. The phone company 
should be able to provide evidence that I was not on a call at that time 
but that might not be sufficient to get one off - and one would have to 
waste the time going to fight the ticket which would cost more than the 
ticket.


Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any 
better?  I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic 
devices rather than "cell phones".


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Mitch Haley]

Greg Fiorentino wrote:

<<...it's an incentive for the cops themselves to write the tickets, as they
get paid overtime to sit comfortably in court.>>

I'm sure their bosses don't like it when they have a high rate of spending
time in court and losing,  so they can't do this too often or things will
not go well for them.

I went to see the chief once in a small town where I received a particularly
BS ticket.  I explained the situation, and he nodded, but didn't make any
sort of commitment.  I think he made sure that the cop would not appear, and
as a result the case was dismissed.

Greg 



Around here, civil infractions are a 50% doubt matter, so if it was written as 
part of a crash report you might beat it, but if a professional witness stands 
up in court and says 'yep, I saw it', there's no force on earth that's going to 
save you from the fine in my county. The cops who write BS tickets get the OT, 
and they get convictions. I just make sure the BS ticket takes up 2 hours of a 
district court's time to get even with the system for it.


The last time I got a ticket, the prosecuting attorney wanted a pre trial 
conference to settle with me out of court. His opening line was something along 
the lines of 'looking at your record, I don't see any basis for this charge'.
I think he knew the previous trial took two hours, they had to change 
prosecuting attorneys in the middle of the trial because the first one had to be 
in another trial and mine wasn't over yet.


There was a chap in the Detroit area who had a much higher than normal rate of 
court hearings for his traffic tickets. He'd write people for running stop signs 
when they didn't. They'd get mad, fight it, lose, get madder, and pay it. After 
a couple of years of this, somebody in the command structure noticed he was 
making $20k a year for court appearances on stop sign tickets where he was the 
only one who thought the driver ran the stop sign. Then the SHTF.


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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[ernest breakfield]

why ask? because you don't know the laws in every state. fair enough; i 
wouldn't expect most people do, or need to!


in California, VC Section 23123 specifies "using a wireless 
telephone"... i doubt you could be held to fault under that section of 
the code for using it as a camera any more than you could be for using 
the clock on it to check what the time is.



it would be easy enough to show that you weren't engaged in an 
active phone call just by checking the phone or carrier records, but 
there are plenty of other provisions that deal with distracted driving 
that you could be faulted under that would make that all unnecessary.
(of course, enforcement of existing Distracted Driving laws would 
have covered Cell Phone use and texting to start with, but enforcing 
existing laws isn't as sexy for a politician as being the Champion of 
another new law,...)



cheers!
e


On 13/Jan/11 09:57, R A Bennell wrote:

So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??

I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic 
answer.


Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose 
the fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?


The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I 
sometimes use it to take photos while driving if I see something 
interesting. It  occurred to me recently, that this is probably no 
longer acceptable. If an officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am 
going to get the ticket and I doubt he has to prove I was actually 
phoning someone. The phone company should be able to provide evidence 
that I was not on a call at that time but that might not be sufficient 
to get one off - and one would have to waste the time going to fight 
the ticket which would cost more than the ticket.


Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any 
better?  I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic 
devices rather than "cell phones".


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Greg Fiorentino]

<<...it's an incentive for the cops themselves to write the tickets, as they
get paid overtime to sit comfortably in court.>>

I'm sure their bosses don't like it when they have a high rate of spending
time in court and losing,  so they can't do this too often or things will
not go well for them.

I went to see the chief once in a small town where I received a particularly
BS ticket.  I explained the situation, and he nodded, but didn't make any
sort of commitment.  I think he made sure that the cop would not appear, and
as a result the case was dismissed.

Greg 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

Dieselhead wrote:
> My belief is that any resistance costs them money.  If the rewards are 
> diminished by expenses, they are less likely to seek this revenue 
> stream.  So, My policy is to take every delay, every protest, every 
> appeal that I can afford in order to discourage the various 
> constabularies from issuing tickets as a way of generating revenue.

I do it too. It costs close to $1000 to get a $100 fine out of me. OTOH,
it's an 
incentive for the cops themselves to write the tickets, as they get paid 
overtime to sit comfortably in court.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Rich Thomas]

I snapped pics that showed (somewhat out of focus, but readable) my 
speedo and the cop car ahead (from which the license plate was 
visible).  The first one was going about 55 in a 45 zone, about 8ft off 
the bumper of the car ahead.  I pointed out this guy had passed me (as I 
was going the speed limit) then got right up on the bumper of this other 
car, that was actually speeding too.  I got up to their speed to get the 
pic, maybe 6-8 car lengths behind.  Time stamped photo from my cam.  The 
other guy just passed me, going way too fast, I got behind him, took the 
pic, 15 over.


I and some other community agitators have been back and forth with the 
Sheriff and his top guys for about a year and a half over people driving 
like fools on our roads, which are very narrow and have very large oak 
trees growing right on the edges.  We have a very high crash rate, and a 
fair number of fatalities.  Speeding, passing on yellow lines, 
tailgating, not paying attention and swerving all over (the trees do not 
move when hit).  We live on Johns Island, which is the 2nd largest 
island on the east coast (maybe the US, I need to look), and there is NO 
police presence here, no regular patrols, no station.  Nearest sheriff 
station is at least 5 mi away from the island, 20 mi from my house.  The 
county is 80 miles from one end to the other, there are only 9 patrol 
officers for the whole county.  None of that is the Sheriff's fault as 
the county sets his budget, but we have been asking for more presence 
and have had ongoing conversations, I see him at county council meetings 
occasionally, so in touch.


On the second one the offender called me about 30 min after I sent the 
email, he was the Lt in charge of community relations, and a very nice 
guy.  We chatted for quite some time, then met later, he acknowledged 
not paying attention and speeding, and was very apologetic.  (I asked 
him how that would go over with Judge Linen, our local magistrate, he 
admitted "not very well").  Of course getting his butt reamed by the 
sheriff probably had some energizing effect, but he was very sincere and 
I think learned from it.  We did get more attention for a few weeks 
thereafter, but back to zero again.  I bought a sports radar gun ($80) 
and have occasionally been taking vids of speeders and a running 
commentary of speeds, that has got some attention too.  Got them to 
install an unmanned radar set up on one of the roads, and record speeds 
for a week, the highest speed was a deputy rushing to an armed robbery 
down the road a bit, doing 110mph at 11PM (which on our roads is insane 
in the daylight) trying to go the 20 miles as fast as possible to get to 
the robbery.


I continue to community agitate...

--R

On 1/13/2011 1:50 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Tell us more.  How did you get photos and how did you convince the 
high Shire Riff?


I take my camera with me sometimes, and have busted 2 deputies for 1) 
tailgaiting and speeding and 2) speeding (65 in 50 zone).  The 
Sheriff was not amused at his guys' behavior when I emailed the 
photos to him.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
My belief is that any resistance costs them money.  If the rewards are 
diminished by expenses, they are less likely to seek this revenue 
stream.  So, My policy is to take every delay, every protest, every 
appeal that I can afford in order to discourage the various 
constabularies from issuing tickets as a way of generating revenue.


I do it too. It costs close to $1000 to get a $100 fine out of me. OTOH, it's an 
incentive for the cops themselves to write the tickets, as they get paid 
overtime to sit comfortably in court.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:

I take my camera with me sometimes, and have busted 2 deputies for 1) 
tailgaiting and speeding and 2) speeding (65 in 50 zone).  The Sheriff 
was not amused at his guys' behavior when I emailed the photos to him.


I've had a judge tell me, on the record (with a court reporter typing) that LEOs 
don't have to obey traffic laws. I couldn't tell if he was that ignorant of the 
law or that blatant about refusing to apply it properly. I've read the law here 
in MI, it's an exemption for emergency vehicles, during an emergency, with their 
overhead lights turned on, not for a deputy cruising down the road at 70 in a 55 
zone.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[E M]

Guess it would be pretty hard to tick those boxes on a crash report, unless
the crash was witnessed.  Can't imagine anyone saying, "oh yeah, I hit the
pole as I was checking my messages".  hee hee

I have to say, the cops around here on the whole are pretty decent and
fair.  You see the odd one doing something they shouldn't on the roads, but
probably much less so than what the average of most other drivers are
doing.  When pulled over for spot checks or whatever, they're always very
polite and respectful, which I'm sure isn't easy for them at times, given
what they must deal with daily.

As a friend who was once interested in becoming a cop told me, "the average
cop is no more interested in standing at the side of the road writing out
tickets for 5-10mph over than you are in receiving them.  Those duties are
not why most sign up to become cops.

Ed
300E



On 13 January 2011 13:43, Rich Thomas
wrote:

> Not specifically illegal here in SC but the cops can get you for reckless
> driving, which can be construed to be about anything they want it to be.
>  Crash reports have a box to check for cell-phone as a factor, or
> inattentive driving, and other things that could be related to texting,
> yapping, taking pics, etc.
>
> I take my camera with me sometimes, and have busted 2 deputies for 1)
> tailgaiting and speeding and 2) speeding (65 in 50 zone).  The Sheriff was
> not amused at his guys' behavior when I emailed the photos to him.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 1/13/2011 12:57 PM, R A Bennell wrote:
>
>> So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
>>
>> I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic answer.
>>
>> Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the
>> fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I sometimes
>> use it to take photos while driving if I see something interesting. It
>>  occurred to me recently, that this is probably no longer acceptable. If an
>> officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am going to get the ticket and I
>> doubt he has to prove I was actually phoning someone. The phone company
>> should be able to provide evidence that I was not on a call at that time but
>> that might not be sufficient to get one off - and one would have to waste
>> the time going to fight the ticket which would cost more than the ticket.
>>
>> Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any
>> better?  I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic
>> devices rather than "cell phones".
>>
>> Randy
>>
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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Dieselhead]

My belief is that any resistance costs them money.  If the rewards 
are diminished by expenses, they are less likely to seek this revenue 
stream.  So, My policy is to take every delay, every protest, every 
appeal that I can afford in order to discourage the various 
constabularies from issuing tickets as a way of generating revenue.




On the flip side, if the law is only against "talking" on the phone
specifically, the picture you just took would probably stand as proof in
court.  It may not be worth the fight in court financially, but sometimes,
you just have to have your say and prove your point.



Ed
300E...no phones, cams, loud radio, or coffee in my cars while driving!  Not
because of the laws, but because of my rules. ;-)


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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Dieselhead]

Tell us more.  How did you get photos and how did you convince the 
high Shire Riff?


I take my camera with me sometimes, and have busted 2 deputies for 
1) tailgaiting and speeding and 2) speeding (65 in 50 zone).  The 
Sheriff was not amused at his guys' behavior when I emailed the 
photos to him.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[Rich Thomas]

Not specifically illegal here in SC but the cops can get you for 
reckless driving, which can be construed to be about anything they want 
it to be.  Crash reports have a box to check for cell-phone as a factor, 
or inattentive driving, and other things that could be related to 
texting, yapping, taking pics, etc.


I take my camera with me sometimes, and have busted 2 deputies for 1) 
tailgaiting and speeding and 2) speeding (65 in 50 zone).  The Sheriff 
was not amused at his guys' behavior when I emailed the photos to him.


--R

On 1/13/2011 12:57 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??

I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic 
answer.


Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose 
the fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?


The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I 
sometimes use it to take photos while driving if I see something 
interesting. It  occurred to me recently, that this is probably no 
longer acceptable. If an officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am 
going to get the ticket and I doubt he has to prove I was actually 
phoning someone. The phone company should be able to provide evidence 
that I was not on a call at that time but that might not be sufficient 
to get one off - and one would have to waste the time going to fight 
the ticket which would cost more than the ticket.


Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any 
better?  I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic 
devices rather than "cell phones".


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] New Laws in Calif to estabishHIGHER fines

[Dieselhead]

They don't get stopped in the first place.  Or if an oncifer makes a 
mistake and stops them he lets them go.  Stopping an illegal alien 
would be "discrimination."  Of course, giving a whole group exemption 
from our laws is NOT discrimination!



I'm sure all the illegals will get an exemption/

--R

On 1/13/2011 12:40 PM, LarryT wrote:
HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011. Please 
be extremely careful in your driving and car registration& 
insurance matters. State of California is broke and they are trying 
hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect money.


Effective immediately, if you do not stop at the red light, be 
ready to pay $436 in fines or if you pass a school bus with 
flashing red signals, you will be charged $616. The state of 
California is going for blood, so be extra careful in driving, You 
cannot afford messing with them. I have been hearing that Highway 
Patrols are under pressure to issue a lot more tickets than last 
year with at least 30% increase in fines over 2009, so beware of 
radar guns, highway and traffic cameras installed everywhere and 
the tougher enforcement of parking rules.Just for your info, the 
next time you park in the handicapped zone, even for a minute, you 
will be looking at almost $ 1000 in parking tickets , so it'd 
better be worth it.California needs money, so pay close attention 
to the rules of the road!


I haven't checked Scopes yet ==




Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective 01/06/2011)
VC 12814.6 $214 Failure to obey license provisions.
VC 14600(A) $214 Failure to notify DMV of address change within 10 
daysNote: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 16028(A) $796 Failure to provide evidence of financial 
responsibility (insurance) Note: This fine may be reduced with 
proof of insurance on or after the violation date.

VC 21453(A) $436 Failure to stop at a red signal.
VC 22349 $214 Unsafe speed, 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
VC 22350 $328 Unsafe speed, 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
VC 22450 $214 Failure to stop at a stop sign.
VC 22454(A) $616 Passing a school bus with flashing red signals.
VC 23123(A) $148 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands 
free, first offense .
VC 23123( $256 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, 
each subsequent offense.
VC 23123.5 $148 Driving while using a wireless device to send, read 
or write text.

VC 23124 $148 Minor driving while using a wireless phone.
VC 22500 $976 Parking in a bus loading area.
VC 22507(A) $976 Violation of disabled parking provisions, first offense.
VC 22507( $1876 Violation of disabled parking provisions, second offense.
VC 26708 $178 Unlawful material on vehicle windows.
VC 27150 $178 Adequate muffler required.
VC 27315 $148 Mandatory use of seat belts.
VC 27360 $436 Mandatory use of passenger child restraints. Note: 
This fine may be reduced by completing a court authorized child 
seat diversion program.

VC 27400 $178 Headsets or Earplugs covering both ears.
VC 27803 $178 Violation of motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
VC 34506 $616 Commercial Driver - Log book violation.
VC 4000 $256 No evidence of current registration. Note: The fine 
may be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 4159 $178 Notify DMV of change of address within 10 days. Note: 
The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 5200 $178 Proper display of license plates. Note: The fine may 
be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 9400 $178 Commercial weight fees due. Note: The fine may be 
reduced with valid proof of correction Look out for the money 
grabbers in Sacramento but don`t blame the cops. They don't set the 
fines or collect them!

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Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[E M]

As you say, you're the lawyer, but I would imagine the argument could be
made, that any device that distracts you from the task at hand is a no-no.
Texting is not allowed here, and operating a digital cam involves similar
hand movements.

On the flip side, if the law is only against "talking" on the phone
specifically, the picture you just took would probably stand as proof in
court.  It may not be worth the fight in court financially, but sometimes,
you just have to have your say and prove your point.

With the cost of tickets and insurance these days, paying or going to court
are both going to cost you.  But if you didn't do it, I'd prefer to be out
of pocket and proven innocent in court.

Ed
300E...no phones, cams, loud radio, or coffee in my cars while driving!  Not
because of the laws, but because of my rules. ;-)

On 13 January 2011 12:57, R A Bennell  wrote:

> So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??
>
> I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic answer.
>
> Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the
> fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?
>
> The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I sometimes
> use it to take photos while driving if I see something interesting. It
>  occurred to me recently, that this is probably no longer acceptable. If an
> officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am going to get the ticket and I
> doubt he has to prove I was actually phoning someone. The phone company
> should be able to provide evidence that I was not on a call at that time but
> that might not be sufficient to get one off - and one would have to waste
> the time going to fight the ticket which would cost more than the ticket.
>
> Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any better?
>  I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic devices rather
> than "cell phones".
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Walt Zarnoch]

And I have yet to see any US aid effort for our frriends down under...

Walt
On Jan 13, 2011 12:07 PM, "Mountain Man"  wrote:
> --R wrote:
>> I was watching some show last night about Haiti, they showed a 123
crushed
>> under a bunch of fallen building.  Sad.
>
> A year later, billions of cash - and the place is still corrupt and
broken.
> That... is progress.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] New Laws in Calif to estabishHIGHER fines

[Rich Thomas]

I'm sure all the illegals will get an exemption/

--R

On 1/13/2011 12:40 PM, LarryT wrote:

HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011. Please be extremely 
careful in your driving and car registration&  insurance matters. State of 
California is broke and they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to collect 
money.

Effective immediately, if you do not stop at the red light, be ready to pay 
$436 in fines or if you pass a school bus with flashing red signals, you will 
be charged $616. The state of California is going for blood, so be extra 
careful in driving, You cannot afford messing with them. I have been hearing 
that Highway Patrols are under pressure to issue a lot more tickets than last 
year with at least 30% increase in fines over 2009, so beware of radar guns, 
highway and traffic cameras installed everywhere and the tougher enforcement of 
parking rules.Just for your info, the next time you park in the handicapped 
zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $ 1000 in parking 
tickets , so it'd better be worth it.California needs money, so pay close 
attention to the rules of the road!

I haven’t checked Scopes yet ==




Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective 01/06/2011)
VC 12814.6 $214 Failure to obey license provisions.
VC 14600(A) $214 Failure to notify DMV of address change within 10 daysNote: 
The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 16028(A) $796 Failure to provide evidence of financial responsibility 
(insurance) Note: This fine may be reduced with proof of insurance on or after 
the violation date.
VC 21453(A) $436 Failure to stop at a red signal.
VC 22349 $214 Unsafe speed, 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
VC 22350 $328 Unsafe speed, 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
VC 22450 $214 Failure to stop at a stop sign.
VC 22454(A) $616 Passing a school bus with flashing red signals.
VC 23123(A) $148 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, first 
offense .
VC 23123( $256 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, each 
subsequent offense.
VC 23123.5 $148 Driving while using a wireless device to send, read or write 
text.
VC 23124 $148 Minor driving while using a wireless phone.
VC 22500 $976 Parking in a bus loading area.
VC 22507(A) $976 Violation of disabled parking provisions, first offense.
VC 22507( $1876 Violation of disabled parking provisions, second offense.
VC 26708 $178 Unlawful material on vehicle windows.
VC 27150 $178 Adequate muffler required.
VC 27315 $148 Mandatory use of seat belts.
VC 27360 $436 Mandatory use of passenger child restraints. Note: This fine may 
be reduced by completing a court authorized child seat diversion program.
VC 27400 $178 Headsets or Earplugs covering both ears.
VC 27803 $178 Violation of motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
VC 34506 $616 Commercial Driver - Log book violation.
VC 4000 $256 No evidence of current registration. Note: The fine may be reduced 
with valid proof of correction.
VC 4159 $178 Notify DMV of change of address within 10 days. Note: The fine may 
be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 5200 $178 Proper display of license plates. Note: The fine may be reduced 
with valid proof of correction.
VC 9400 $178 Commercial weight fees due. Note: The fine may be reduced with 
valid proof of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but 
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[MBZ] Double decker race

[Rich Thomas]

I watched an episode of Top Gear last night where they raced cars that 
were double-stacked, the car on top steered and the one on the bottom 
had the brake and accelerator.  2 300E's with something on top, driven 
by Germans, and the Brits had a Jag/Mini and maybe another one like 
that.  It was a total riot.  The Germans won.


--R

On 1/13/2011 12:10 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Rich Thomas
  wrote:

I was watching some show last night about Haiti, they showed a 123 crushed
under a bunch of fallen building.  Sad.


Takes more than that to stop a W123!

A.

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[MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??

[R A Bennell]

So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks??

I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic answer.

Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the 
fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction?


The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I 
sometimes use it to take photos while driving if I see something 
interesting. It  occurred to me recently, that this is probably no 
longer acceptable. If an officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am 
going to get the ticket and I doubt he has to prove I was actually 
phoning someone. The phone company should be able to provide evidence 
that I was not on a call at that time but that might not be sufficient 
to get one off - and one would have to waste the time going to fight the 
ticket which would cost more than the ticket.


Then the question arises -  is  using a digital camera instead  any 
better?  I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic 
devices rather than "cell phones".


Randy

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[MBZ] New Laws in Calif to estabishHIGHER fines

[LarryT]

HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011. Please be extremely 
careful in your driving and car registration & insurance matters. State of 
California is broke and they are trying hard to squeeze all of us hard to 
collect money.

Effective immediately, if you do not stop at the red light, be ready to pay 
$436 in fines or if you pass a school bus with flashing red signals, you will 
be charged $616. The state of California is going for blood, so be extra 
careful in driving, You cannot afford messing with them. I have been hearing 
that Highway Patrols are under pressure to issue a lot more tickets than last 
year with at least 30% increase in fines over 2009, so beware of radar guns, 
highway and traffic cameras installed everywhere and the tougher enforcement of 
parking rules.Just for your info, the next time you park in the handicapped 
zone, even for a minute, you will be looking at almost $ 1000 in parking 
tickets , so it'd better be worth it.California needs money, so pay close 
attention to the rules of the road!

I haven’t checked Scopes yet == 




Traffic Ticket Fines (Effective 01/06/2011)
VC 12814.6 $214 Failure to obey license provisions.
VC 14600(A) $214 Failure to notify DMV of address change within 10 daysNote: 
The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 16028(A) $796 Failure to provide evidence of financial responsibility 
(insurance) Note: This fine may be reduced with proof of insurance on or after 
the violation date.
VC 21453(A) $436 Failure to stop at a red signal.
VC 22349 $214 Unsafe speed, 1 to 15 miles over the limit.
VC 22350 $328 Unsafe speed, 16 to 25 miles over the limit.
VC 22450 $214 Failure to stop at a stop sign.
VC 22454(A) $616 Passing a school bus with flashing red signals.
VC 23123(A) $148 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, first 
offense .
VC 23123( $256 Driving while using a wireless phone not hands free, each 
subsequent offense.
VC 23123.5 $148 Driving while using a wireless device to send, read or write 
text.
VC 23124 $148 Minor driving while using a wireless phone.
VC 22500 $976 Parking in a bus loading area.
VC 22507(A) $976 Violation of disabled parking provisions, first offense.
VC 22507( $1876 Violation of disabled parking provisions, second offense.
VC 26708 $178 Unlawful material on vehicle windows.
VC 27150 $178 Adequate muffler required.
VC 27315 $148 Mandatory use of seat belts.
VC 27360 $436 Mandatory use of passenger child restraints. Note: This fine may 
be reduced by completing a court authorized child seat diversion program.
VC 27400 $178 Headsets or Earplugs covering both ears.
VC 27803 $178 Violation of motorcycle safety helmet requirements.
VC 34506 $616 Commercial Driver - Log book violation.
VC 4000 $256 No evidence of current registration. Note: The fine may be reduced 
with valid proof of correction.
VC 4159 $178 Notify DMV of change of address within 10 days. Note: The fine may 
be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 5200 $178 Proper display of license plates. Note: The fine may be reduced 
with valid proof of correction.
VC 9400 $178 Commercial weight fees due. Note: The fine may be reduced with 
valid proof of correction Look out for the money grabbers in Sacramento but 
don`t blame the cops. They don't set the fines or collect them!
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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
> I was watching some show last night about Haiti, they showed a 123 crushed
> under a bunch of fallen building.  Sad.
>

Takes more than that to stop a W123!

A.

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Re: [MBZ] Australian floods

[Mountain Man]

--R wrote:
> I was watching some show last night about Haiti, they showed a 123 crushed
> under a bunch of fallen building.  Sad.

A year later, billions of cash - and the place is still corrupt and broken.
That... is progress.
mao

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