Re: [MBZ] Rust
Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Use the mopar rust eater/penetrating oil with graphite. I just did the struts on a 12 yr old dodge and the bolts were rusted tight, with way more thread through the nut than necessary. The rust eater ate the rust and I was able to get everything apart. going back together, most of the fits were like original so I could run the nuts on by hand. It was reformulated, but seems to still work well. Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
I'm cleaning up some rust around the trim clip holes on front fender of my 240D. One of them perforated and I had to weld the area closed. Naval jelly and POR-15 are my friends here. I'm doing what I can before the salt bath begins. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Tell me more about this stuff. Where do you get it? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Use the mopar rust eater/penetrating oil with graphite. I just did the struts on a 12 yr old dodge and the bolts were rusted tight, with way more thread through the nut than necessary. The rust eater ate the rust and I was able to get everything apart. going back together, most of the fits were like original so I could run the nuts on by hand. It was reformulated, but seems to still work well. Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Well, there's always English undercoating. They salt here too, now, the b@$#@ds. The claim is that the EPA made them do it. They used to use sand, but then there was too much particulate matter in the air (dust) in the Spring. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
from your friendly local Dogde stealership parts counter. Ask for Mopar P/N 04318039AB, That is the old number, but they should be able to look up the new one. There is a photo of it here: http://www.mopar.ca/en/accessories/inspectandreplaceexhaustsystemcomponents.php There is also a picture of the old can on page 24 here: http://starparts.chrysler.com/starlibrary/marketing/chemicals/chemicals.pdf Tell me more about this stuff. Where do you get it? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Use the mopar rust eater/penetrating oil with graphite. I just did the struts on a 12 yr old dodge and the bolts were rusted tight, with way more thread through the nut than necessary. The rust eater ate the rust and I was able to get everything apart. going back together, most of the fits were like original so I could run the nuts on by hand. It was reformulated, but seems to still work well. Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ----1976 Mercedes 300D (Milford Connecticut) $990
Auto trans, diesel engine. Good tires and glass. Runs and drives. Needs TLC. $990.00 FIRM. Any questions call Gary at 203-556-1916 http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/cto/2716524073.html via @craigsnotifica #AndroidApp ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Autozone has Rust Eater which probably isn't as good as Mopar but it does dissolve rust. Used it and a half dozen other products on a tapered part that was stuck tight. None unstuck it by normal means but a 20 lb sledge finally did. Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com from your friendly local Dogde stealership parts counter. Ask for Mopar P/N 04318039AB, That is the old number, but they should be able to look up the new one. There is a photo of it here: http://www.mopar.ca/en/accessories/inspectandreplaceexhaustsystemcomponents.php There is also a picture of the old can on page 24 here: http://starparts.chrysler.com/starlibrary/marketing/chemicals/chemicals.pdf Tell me more about this stuff. Where do you get it? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Use the mopar rust eater/penetrating oil with graphite. I just did the struts on a 12 yr old dodge and the bolts were rusted tight, with way more thread through the nut than necessary. The rust eater ate the rust and I was able to get everything apart. going back together, most of the fits were like original so I could run the nuts on by hand. It was reformulated, but seems to still work well. Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4034 - Release Date: 11/23/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] HP Calculators (was Re: editers)
There is definitely an iPod/Pad app for the 12C financial calculator. And I recall reading recently that HP had reissued several of the older models, but not using the original electronics... the new one actually emulate the original processors in a more modern CPU. There have been some complaints that the buttons and cases seemed a lower quality than the originals though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Save 50% or More on Diagnostic Scan Tools at Amazon
They have a sale on today at http://www.amazon.com/Deals-Automotive/b/ref=amb_link_358927322_3?ie=UTF8node=392446011pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_s=hero-quick-promopf_rd_r=0552266HJK8KEVFSJ9CGpf_rd_t=201pf_rd_p=1332650502pf_rd_i=B004HHPW8C Scroll down to the third category in the middle. Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 108 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
A couple of odd behaviors have been noticed, a) The reserve indicator on the fuel gauge glows dimly at all times. b) When the door is open, stepping on the brakes cause the warning buzzer to sound. Activating the turn signals causes the buzzer to sound in time with the signal flashing. Neither happens when the door is closed. c) Opening the front doors does not light the front interior light, though the light works using its switch. d) Dash illumination works, but trying to adjust the brightness causes it to go dark. Fiddling with the brightness control I can get it to light up again. I'm thinking a) and b) are signs of bad grounds. Maybe c) as well. d) sounds like dirty rheostat, is this something that can be cleaned e.g. with DeOxIt? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Acetone mixed with atf is the best penetrant. Mike On Nov 23, 2011 10:31 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Autozone has Rust Eater which probably isn't as good as Mopar but it does dissolve rust. Used it and a half dozen other products on a tapered part that was stuck tight. None unstuck it by normal means but a 20 lb sledge finally did. Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com from your friendly local Dogde stealership parts counter. Ask for Mopar P/N 04318039AB, That is the old number, but they should be able to look up the new one. There is a photo of it here: http://www.mopar.ca/en/**accessories/**inspectandreplaceexhaustsystem** components.phphttp://www.mopar.ca/en/accessories/inspectandreplaceexhaustsystemcomponents.php There is also a picture of the old can on page 24 here: http://starparts.chrysler.com/**starlibrary/marketing/** chemicals/chemicals.pdfhttp://starparts.chrysler.com/starlibrary/marketing/chemicals/chemicals.pdf Tell me more about this stuff. Where do you get it? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Use the mopar rust eater/penetrating oil with graphite. I just did the struts on a 12 yr old dodge and the bolts were rusted tight, with way more thread through the nut than necessary. The rust eater ate the rust and I was able to get everything apart. going back together, most of the fits were like original so I could run the nuts on by hand. It was reformulated, but seems to still work well. Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4034 - Release Date: 11/23/11 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:26:55 -0500 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A couple of odd behaviors have been noticed, a) The reserve indicator on the fuel gauge glows dimly at all times. b) When the door is open, stepping on the brakes cause the warning buzzer to sound. Activating the turn signals causes the buzzer to sound in time with the signal flashing. Neither happens when the door is closed. c) Opening the front doors does not light the front interior light, though the light works using its switch. d) Dash illumination works, but trying to adjust the brightness causes it to go dark. Fiddling with the brightness control I can get it to light up again. I'm thinking a) and b) are signs of bad grounds. Maybe c) as well. Yes. d) sounds like dirty rheostat, is this something that can be cleaned e.g. with DeOxIt? It's worth a try while you have the instrument cluster out to fix the grounds. I recall reading that people with W123s typically put a jumper wire across the rheostat. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Which reminds me I need to get a pump sprayer and coat the underside of my cars with oil before it gets too cold... For rusty fasteners I've been using a Ford product that I found in my garage (left by the previous owner) which smells terrible but works a treat. Can't recall the name, starts with an R. -Curt Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 06:28:17 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rust Message-ID: 1322058497.91191.yext-apple-iph...@web113207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm cleaning up some rust around the trim clip holes on front fender of my 240D. One of them perforated and I had to weld the area closed. Naval jelly and POR-15 are my friends here. I'm doing what I can before the salt bath begins. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
I think that the after market rustproofing is better than it once was. I don't know as though the tar like stuff they spray on the bottom of the car is any better as it tends to fall off and need to be repaired but I think that the waxy stuff they spray into the doors and body cavities is maybe better than it once was. My wife's 07 Honda Accord appeared to have seam sealer etc that would have been applied while it was being built but lacked the solid black rubbery undercoating that the local new Honda's had at the time. That is why we had it sprayed by one of the local franchise outfits. They also drilled holes and sprayed the other stuff in the cavities. We have to take it back every 2nd year for touchups but are not charged for the inspection and repair. I had my truck done too but it was not new enough to qualify for the long term warranty so I can take it in to be touched up but they will make me pay to have the repairs done and will not warranty it against rust. My truck is an 02 F150 Supercrew. It is just now showing a spot on the bottom of the driver's side rocker panel that will need to be dealt with. The rest is good so far. Randy On 22/11/2011 6:19 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Undercoating/rustproofing today is done before the car is fully assembled, the chassis and body are dipped in corrosion inhibitors. Aftermarket undercoating, dealer paint protection, and the like is largely a scam, basically adds nothing. Maybe in the days when cars got no anticorrosion treatment at the factory, it did a little. But my parents paid to have an Izuzu (Buick Opel) rustproofed in the late '70s, and it rusted out as fast if not faster than any other car they owned. Allan On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:37 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Does Mercedes sell the same car throughout the USA? I ask because my wife's Honda Accord came from Forida. There was essentially no undercoating on the car when we got it one year old. We had it undercoated and rust proofed here in order to try to preserve it. I went to the local Honda dealer and looked at the cars there and was assured that the undercoating that I saw on the cars there was original and factory and not something they had added. Obviously Honda prepares cars differently for different markets. I have to wonder if MB does the same and if somebody is moving cars around the country such that you are getting cars in NE that were not intended to be sold in NE. Randy On 22/11/2011 5:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I posted this on the MBCA forum to illustrate my disatisfaction with the rust situation on newer MBs. http://www.mbca.org/forum/2011-11-22/unacceptable-mercedes-rust ___ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
In Manitoba, it is considered too cold during much of the winter for salt to help much on the highways. Nevertheless, the City of Winnipeg tends to salt intersections and as a result we get a bit of a regular salt bath if the weather permits - IE - if it warms up a bit and then snows a bit. If, I make a run to Ontario in the winter (the cottage is on Lake of the Woods south of Kenora) then there is almost a line at the border where the road turns white. Ontario salts the heck out of the roads. Maybe justified as the hills and general terrain make the snow hang about more than in Manitoba where it tends to be more open and blow off of the roads. Randy who does not wish to buy any used cars from Ontario! On 22/11/2011 10:51 PM, Dieselhead wrote: The second link has amounts applied per mile And the WINNERS are: NY MA VT NH with honorable mention to: MI IL is shown as a piker at 6.6, however it is a long state, and the southern half is radiacally different than the Chicago area. Northern IL is probably at 12, and chicagoland is probably right up there with NY Pretty much jives with the rusty cars per capita by state. On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:59:57 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I hate road salt. Is it true that they dont use it in Colorado? No. When we lived there the sand that the highway trucks put on the roads was mixed with 10% salt. See http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr235/017-030.pdf and http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f76/map-states-use-road-salt-27855/ I'm not sure of the accuracy of the last link. Also, Why does colorado not use salt on their roads? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081224123452AA23Uwq That link says they use magnesium chloride, which is even worse on cars. Other links: www.michigan.gov/documents/ch2-deice_51438_7.pdf http://www.koaa.com/news/study-road-salt-harming-many-urban-streams/ (from Colorado) http://www.usroads.com/journals/p/rmj/9712/rm971202.htm http://www.saltinstitute.org/Articles-references/References-on-salt-use/References-on-salt-use/References-for-use-of-road-salt (even had YouTube videos of interesting situations). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save 50% or More on Diagnostic Scan Tools at Amazon
Anyone knowledgeable about these things? I have one of the basic code readers from a few years ago that has served me well. However, I believe that there are better ones out there that will let you run a scan while driving. Mine is only to be used with the engine off. I guess the next question is whether there is software and an interface that would permit one to do it with a laptop computer. Randy On 23/11/2011 10:14 AM, Craig wrote: They have a sale on today at http://www.amazon.com/Deals-Automotive/b/ref=amb_link_358927322_3?ie=UTF8node=392446011pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_s=hero-quick-promopf_rd_r=0552266HJK8KEVFSJ9CGpf_rd_t=201pf_rd_p=1332650502pf_rd_i=B004HHPW8C Scroll down to the third category in the middle. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
Here we go with the top vs bottom reply again. In any event, is it not sort of the standard fix now to install some led's in place of the bulbs in the instrument panel to brighten it up? I have yet to do it but that was my ultimate plan. Randy On 23/11/2011 10:46 AM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:26:55 -0500 Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A couple of odd behaviors have been noticed, a) The reserve indicator on the fuel gauge glows dimly at all times. b) When the door is open, stepping on the brakes cause the warning buzzer to sound. Activating the turn signals causes the buzzer to sound in time with the signal flashing. Neither happens when the door is closed. c) Opening the front doors does not light the front interior light, though the light works using its switch. d) Dash illumination works, but trying to adjust the brightness causes it to go dark. Fiddling with the brightness control I can get it to light up again. I'm thinking a) and b) are signs of bad grounds. Maybe c) as well. Yes. d) sounds like dirty rheostat, is this something that can be cleaned e.g. with DeOxIt? It's worth a try while you have the instrument cluster out to fix the grounds. I recall reading that people with W123s typically put a jumper wire across the rheostat. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save 50% or More on Diagnostic Scan Tools at Amazon
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I guess the next question is whether there is software and an interface that would permit one to do it with a laptop computer. http://www.amazon.com/Soliport-Bluetooth-Diagnostic-Scanner-wireless/dp/B004KL0I9I/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:39:05 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Here we go with the top vs bottom reply again. In any event, is it not sort of the standard fix now to install some led's in place of the bulbs in the instrument panel to brighten it up? I have yet to do it but that was my ultimate plan. When I was converting our '82 240D into a 240D/3.0, I lined the bulb boxes and light guides in the instrument cluster with aluminum foil. With standard bulbs (the LEDs available then weren't up to the job) the cluster illimination is good. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save 50% or More on Diagnostic Scan Tools at Amazon
On 23/11/2011 11:39 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I guess the next question is whether there is software and an interface that would permit one to do it with a laptop computer. http://www.amazon.com/Soliport-Bluetooth-Diagnostic-Scanner-wireless/dp/B004KL0I9I/ ___ OK, so how does it work? I see a doodad that would plug into the car connector. I assume it stores data while one drives or at least runs the engine. I assume the CD gets installed on a computer. How does it then connect to the computer? I assume that I am seeing the same doodad in all of the images shown. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save 50% or More on Diagnostic Scan Tools at Amazon
On 23/11/2011 11:39 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I guess the next question is whether there is software and an interface that would permit one to do it with a laptop computer. http://www.amazon.com/Soliport-Bluetooth-Diagnostic-Scanner-wireless/dp/B004KL0I9I/ ___ Or is that where bluetooth comes in to play? It delivers the message to the computer via bluetooth somehow? Randy who has no idea if his laptop has bluetooth capability ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tranny pan bolt torque
http://dearblankpleaseblank.com/search.php?dbpb=tranny Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] tranny pan bolt torque Anyone know the proper torque for the tranny pan bolts? I know it's fairly low. This is for my W116 300SD, the pan is square and has four bolts, one in each corner. What about the torque converter plug? Thanks, Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Ziebart in Sault Ste. Marie, ON, did a '71 Chrysler wagon for me in late '71. 'Sold it in sou. Cal. in '78 still like new. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rust I think that the after market rustproofing is better than it once was. I don't know as though the tar like stuff they spray on the bottom of the car is any better as it tends to fall off and need to be repaired but I think that the waxy stuff they spray into the doors and body cavities is maybe better than it once was. My wife's 07 Honda Accord appeared to have seam sealer etc that would have been applied while it was being built but lacked the solid black rubbery undercoating that the local new Honda's had at the time. That is why we had it sprayed by one of the local franchise outfits. They also drilled holes and sprayed the other stuff in the cavities. We have to take it back every 2nd year for touchups but are not charged for the inspection and repair. I had my truck done too but it was not new enough to qualify for the long term warranty so I can take it in to be touched up but they will make me pay to have the repairs done and will not warranty it against rust. My truck is an 02 F150 Supercrew. It is just now showing a spot on the bottom of the driver's side rocker panel that will need to be dealt with. The rest is good so far. Randy On 22/11/2011 6:19 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Undercoating/rustproofing today is done before the car is fully assembled, the chassis and body are dipped in corrosion inhibitors. Aftermarket undercoating, dealer paint protection, and the like is largely a scam, basically adds nothing. Maybe in the days when cars got no anticorrosion treatment at the factory, it did a little. But my parents paid to have an Izuzu (Buick Opel) rustproofed in the late '70s, and it rusted out as fast if not faster than any other car they owned. Allan On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:37 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Does Mercedes sell the same car throughout the USA? I ask because my wife's Honda Accord came from Forida. There was essentially no undercoating on the car when we got it one year old. We had it undercoated and rust proofed here in order to try to preserve it. I went to the local Honda dealer and looked at the cars there and was assured that the undercoating that I saw on the cars there was original and factory and not something they had added. Obviously Honda prepares cars differently for different markets. I have to wonder if MB does the same and if somebody is moving cars around the country such that you are getting cars in NE that were not intended to be sold in NE. Randy On 22/11/2011 5:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I posted this on the MBCA forum to illustrate my disatisfaction with the rust situation on newer MBs. http://www.mbca.org/forum/2011-11-22/unacceptable-mercedes-rust ___ ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
I am not disagreeing with that. The mopar stuff eats rust. there is a difference. Different tools for different problems. With the dogde struts, I could turn the nut, but the rust on the 1 or so of bolt sticking through the nut made it so tough that the bolt would break before the nut came off. Yes, I could have worked the nut in and out repeatedly to get through the rust with or without penetrating oil. The acetone/atf would help, but not take off the rust. The Mopar stuff: I sprayed it on, waited maybe 20-30 minutes and was able to back the nut off. If the nut is rust welded to the bolt, then the ATF/acetone is the tool. Acetone mixed with atf is the best penetrant. Mike On Nov 23, 2011 10:31 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Autozone has Rust Eater which probably isn't as good as Mopar but it does dissolve rust. Used it and a half dozen other products on a tapered part that was stuck tight. None unstuck it by normal means but a 20 lb sledge finally did. Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com from your friendly local Dogde stealership parts counter. Ask for Mopar P/N 04318039AB, That is the old number, but they should be able to look up the new one. There is a photo of it here: http://www.mopar.ca/en/**accessories/**inspectandreplaceexhaustsystem** components.phphttp://www.mopar.ca/en/accessories/inspectandreplaceexhaustsystemcomponents.php There is also a picture of the old can on page 24 here: http://starparts.chrysler.com/**starlibrary/marketing/** chemicals/chemicals.pdfhttp://starparts.chrysler.com/starlibrary/marketing/chemicals/chemicals.pdf Tell me more about this stuff. Where do you get it? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Use the mopar rust eater/penetrating oil with graphite. I just did the struts on a 12 yr old dodge and the bolts were rusted tight, with way more thread through the nut than necessary. The rust eater ate the rust and I was able to get everything apart. going back together, most of the fits were like original so I could run the nuts on by hand. It was reformulated, but seems to still work well. Sure does. My 83 has yet to see an Upstate winter. I really hate to even drive it this winter but I currently have no choice. The brine they are putting on the roads around here is terrible. I live right by Watkins Glen, NY, home to Cargill, makers of the brine, so they test formulas on local roads. I have noticed a serious uprise in the amount of rust on cars since they started with the stuff a few years ago. Newer cars, with cheap recycled parts are terrible to work on after just a couple of winters. The bodies don't rot so bad thanks to modern corrosion inhibitors but the fasteners are frozen to the point of breaking or stripping the heads. Mike __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4034 - Release Date: 11/23/11 __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
And I won't buy one from Florida or farther north than VA. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rust In Manitoba, it is considered too cold during much of the winter for salt to help much on the highways. Nevertheless, the City of Winnipeg tends to salt intersections and as a result we get a bit of a regular salt bath if the weather permits - IE - if it warms up a bit and then snows a bit. If, I make a run to Ontario in the winter (the cottage is on Lake of the Woods south of Kenora) then there is almost a line at the border where the road turns white. Ontario salts the heck out of the roads. Maybe justified as the hills and general terrain make the snow hang about more than in Manitoba where it tends to be more open and blow off of the roads. Randy who does not wish to buy any used cars from Ontario! On 22/11/2011 10:51 PM, Dieselhead wrote: The second link has amounts applied per mile And the WINNERS are: NY MA VT NH with honorable mention to: MI IL is shown as a piker at 6.6, however it is a long state, and the southern half is radiacally different than the Chicago area. Northern IL is probably at 12, and chicagoland is probably right up there with NY Pretty much jives with the rusty cars per capita by state. On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:59:57 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I hate road salt. Is it true that they dont use it in Colorado? No. When we lived there the sand that the highway trucks put on the roads was mixed with 10% salt. See http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/sr/sr235/017-030.pdf and http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f76/map-states-use-road-salt-27855/ I'm not sure of the accuracy of the last link. Also, Why does colorado not use salt on their roads? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081224123452AA23Uwq That link says they use magnesium chloride, which is even worse on cars. Other links: www.michigan.gov/documents/ch2-deice_51438_7.pdf http://www.koaa.com/news/study-road-salt-harming-many-urban-streams/ (from Colorado) http://www.usroads.com/journals/p/rmj/9712/rm971202.htm http://www.saltinstitute.org/Articles-references/References-on-salt-use/References-on-salt-use/References-for-use-of-road-salt (even had YouTube videos of interesting situations). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tranny pan bolt torque
http://dearblankpleaseblank.com/search.php?dbpb=tranny Greg many of us don't live in sanfransicko At least a few of us never want to go there ever again. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:39 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: In any event, is it not sort of the standard fix now to install some led's in place of the bulbs in the instrument panel to brighten it up? I have yet to do it but that was my ultimate plan. I tried this on my Vanagon. The LEDs are very directional they actually don't do well in this application. Anyway, the brightness on mine is fine. I was actually trying to dim them a bit (I like the dash to be as dim as possible while still readable), and as soon as I turned the adjuster they blacked out. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:27 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think that the after market rustproofing is better than it once was. I don't know as though the tar like stuff they spray on the bottom of the car is any better as it tends to fall off and need to be repaired but I think that the waxy stuff they spray into the doors and body cavities is maybe better than it once was. The waxy stuff is good. That's what the VW had from the factory, on a really hot day it would ooze out around some of the trim pieces. The trouble with the black tar/ziebart treatment is I think it sealed up the drains in the doors and other enclosed areas that they sprayed it into, thereby trapping moisture and actually accelerating rust. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Does the acetone actually mix with the ATF? Mine separates instantly with M1 ATF -- haven't bought any ordinary ATF to try it with. That having been said, if I shake it vigorously, and apply immediately, it seems to work. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Acetone mixed with atf is the best penetrant. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
Actually I think the best thing that came out of that whole discussion was Jim's post about clipping posts. I put LEDs in the dash of my '83 240D which was chronically under-bright. It helped some but I'm not sure the cost was worth it. That dash pod did have a broken light pipe which assuredly wasn't helping anything. My '78 240D doesn't have a broken light pipe and does have the rheostat jumpered and while the dash lights aren't anything to write home about they're adequate. Which reminds me that before my '83 meets its fate at the crusher I need to get the dash pod and the LED bulbs out... They were expensive, and should have a long life so I intend to move them to the other car which will also give me an excuse to fix the speedo needle which is 5mph too slow. -Curt Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:39:05 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins Message-ID: 4ecd2fb9.4010...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Here we go with the top vs bottom reply again. In any event, is it not sort of the standard fix now to install some led's in place of the bulbs in the instrument panel to brighten it up? I have yet to do it but that was my ultimate plan. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
Randy Bennell wrote: In any event, is it not sort of the standard fix now to install some led's in place of the bulbs in the instrument panel to brighten it up? I have yet to do it but that was my ultimate plan. Allan Streib wrote: I tried this on my Vanagon. The LEDs are very directional they actually don't do well in this application. LEDs are not inherently very directional. However, the package quite often is a lens to focus the light. One trick is to flatten the rounded end of the LED. This works if it's a T 1-3/4 package _and_ the junction is deep enough that filing of the top doesn't disturb the internals. I have done this on a number of different occasions. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save 50% or More on Diagnostic Scan Tools at Amazon
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 23/11/2011 11:39 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Soliport-Bluetooth-Diagnostic-Scanner-wireless/dp/B004KL0I9I/ It delivers the message to the computer via bluetooth somehow? Randy who has no idea if his laptop has bluetooth capability Yes, you use that interface with a smartphone, PDA, or laptop with Bluetooth (there are Bluetooth adapters for a computer that doesn't have it already.) You need software on the computer or whatever to talk to the OBDII box: there are various free and not-so-free possibilities. OBD2Spy is one popular one: http://www.elm327-bluetooth.com/obd2spy/ Then you drive around and watch all kinds of realtime data as well as being able to pull CEL codes! As usual with these kind of things, rolling your own takes a little more effort than buying a dedicated scan tool, but it's also a more flexible and powerful solution. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Wherever I could, I tried to make sure drains were open, poked with clothes hanger, etc., after treatment. Obviously, not sure if I got all of 'em. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rust On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:27 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I think that the after market rustproofing is better than it once was. I don't know as though the tar like stuff they spray on the bottom of the car is any better as it tends to fall off and need to be repaired but I think that the waxy stuff they spray into the doors and body cavities is maybe better than it once was. The waxy stuff is good. That's what the VW had from the factory, on a really hot day it would ooze out around some of the trim pieces. The trouble with the black tar/ziebart treatment is I think it sealed up the drains in the doors and other enclosed areas that they sprayed it into, thereby trapping moisture and actually accelerating rust. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] HP Calculators (was Re: editers)
The HP 48 series actually emulates much of one of the older processors, rather interesting when you get under the hood of it! Walt On Nov 23, 2011 11:04 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: There is definitely an iPod/Pad app for the 12C financial calculator. And I recall reading recently that HP had reissued several of the older models, but not using the original electronics... the new one actually emulate the original processors in a more modern CPU. There have been some complaints that the buttons and cases seemed a lower quality than the originals though. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
On 23/11/2011 1:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Does the acetone actually mix with the ATF? Mine separates instantly with M1 ATF -- haven't bought any ordinary ATF to try it with. That having been said, if I shake it vigorously, and apply immediately, it seems to work. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Acetone mixed with atf is the best penetrant. Mike I had essentially the same experience with non-synthetic AT fluid. It won't stay mixed for long for me either. Also, remember to be very careful around paint. I assume the acetone would remove paint quite well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
TPMS?.. Tire pressure monitoring system. Federal law since 2008. Canada uses the ABS sensors to detect wheel speed differential when a tire is low, not very precise. US models have a sensor in each wheel in unit with the valve stem. 2010 and later display pressure per wheel in the speedo cluster menu. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
Way to eliminate frivioulous law suits. Make the Idiot consumer pay up front. Way to go Federalis. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:55 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: TPMS?.. Tire pressure monitoring system. Federal law since 2008. Canada uses the ABS sensors to detect wheel speed differential when a tire is low, not very precise. US models have a sensor in each wheel in unit with the valve stem. 2010 and later display pressure per wheel in the speedo cluster menu. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
Total cost is ~$250 for an aftermarket setup, oem offerings were usually in the uplevel option packages before they were mandated. I don't see it as a waste personally, since a properly inflated tire does wonders for fuel economy, provides a nicer experience, and is on the whole a good thing from a safety standpoint. Sure it's an upfront cost, but it's justifiable based on the gains in my opinion. Walt, who checks his lug-nuts weekly but seldom remembers the tire pressure... On Nov 23, 2011 6:36 PM, Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: Way to eliminate frivioulous law suits. Make the Idiot consumer pay up front. Way to go Federalis. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:55 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: TPMS?.. Tire pressure monitoring system. Federal law since 2008. Canada uses the ABS sensors to detect wheel speed differential when a tire is low, not very precise. US models have a sensor in each wheel in unit with the valve stem. 2010 and later display pressure per wheel in the speedo cluster menu. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
Guess my 2007 S550 must have the only prototype installed then. Push message, Tire inflation and there it is in the speedo cluster. If there is a problem, it shows up first thing after starting the car. John On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:55 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: TPMS?.. Tire pressure monitoring system. Federal law since 2008. Canada uses the ABS sensors to detect wheel speed differential when a tire is low, not very precise. US models have a sensor in each wheel in unit with the valve stem. 2010 and later display pressure per wheel in the speedo cluster menu. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Trans upgrades
I will be changing the transmission fluid and filter in my 83 300d soon. I have read about upgraded parts that I should change while in there. I believe one is a K1 spring kit, what else is there I should do while in there to make it last? It has under 150k miles and is just starting to flare a bit on the 2 to 3 shift. Thanks All, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
On 23/11/2011 5:44 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Total cost is ~$250 for an aftermarket setup, oem offerings were usually in the uplevel option packages before they were mandated. I don't see it as a waste personally, since a properly inflated tire does wonders for fuel economy, provides a nicer experience, and is on the whole a good thing from a safety standpoint. Sure it's an upfront cost, but it's justifiable based on the gains in my opinion. Walt, who checks his lug-nuts weekly but seldom remembers the tire pressure... On Nov 23, 2011 6:36 PM, Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com wrote: Lovely when it works but I have talked to a number of folks who found it caused nothing but trouble. (note - not MB vehicles that I can recall) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
Lovely when it works but I have talked to a number of folks who found it caused nothing but trouble. (note - not MB vehicles that I can recall) Randy Around here they get corroded to the rim and are damaged very often when tires are being installed. Another added expense to plan for when buying new tires. I will stick with using my $15 guage every week or so. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
One of our Canadian snowbird friends has a Camry and that system is continually giving him false readings and the Toyota dealer here in the states always turns him away as they don't have the Canadian procedures. John Sent from my iPad On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 23/11/2011 5:44 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Total cost is ~$250 for an aftermarket setup, oem offerings were usually in the uplevel option packages before they were mandated. I don't see it as a waste personally, since a properly inflated tire does wonders for fuel economy, provides a nicer experience, and is on the whole a good thing from a safety standpoint. Sure it's an upfront cost, but it's justifiable based on the gains in my opinion. Walt, who checks his lug-nuts weekly but seldom remembers the tire pressure... On Nov 23, 2011 6:36 PM, Hans Neureiterdiese...@gmail.com wrote: Lovely when it works but I have talked to a number of folks who found it caused nothing but trouble. (note - not MB vehicles that I can recall) Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
Anyway, the brightness on mine is fine. I was actually trying to dim them a bit (I like the dash to be as dim as possible while still readable), and as soon as I turned the adjuster they blacked out. Allan Q can get you a new rheostat if you really have a need to dim. I don't know if a 116 is that much different form a 123. There is so much light pollution, that generally the 123 cluster is too dim, not too bright. So I just solder a jumper to bypass the flakey rheostat. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
TPMS?.. Tire pressure monitoring system. Federal law since 2008. RLE You mean a tire pressure gauge? A kid with a pencil type tire gauge always works. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
A complete waste of time brought along for ninnys who can't be bothered to just check the dammed tire pressure. Any mileage gains they make by having tires aired up is lost by the added weight of the system. -Curt Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] TPMS Message-ID: 4ce10.5adcb5ca.3bfec...@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII TPMS?.. Tire pressure monitoring system. Federal law since 2008. Canada uses the ABS sensors to detect wheel speed differential when a tire is low, not very precise. US models have a sensor in each wheel in unit with the valve stem. 2010 and later display pressure per wheel in the speedo cluster menu. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
a) The reserve indicator on the fuel gauge glows dimly at all times. b) door open, brakes cause warning buzzer to sound... Bad ground. c) Opening the front doors does not light the front interior light, though the light works using its switch. Might be ground, could be bad door switches. There's a diode in the warning module that can be blown, if one door works the lights and the other does not. I think the 116 has the system that the passenger door will not light the driver's side light. (That's the diode at work.) d) Dash illumination works [intermittently] The rheostat gets deformed, and very dirty. Not sure deoxit will be of use there, often there's a mechanical problem with the coiled resistance wire in its porcelain track. New or good used is your best bet there. Most find 123 lighting too dim anyway, but I don't know about 116. I cleaned my 123 cluster, and lined the light chamber and the light pipes with aluminum foil, now it gets adequately bright. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: Lovely when it works but I have talked to a number of folks who found it caused nothing but trouble. (note - not MB vehicles that I can recall) Same as ABS, then. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: A complete waste of time brought along for ninnys who can't be bothered to just check the dammed tire pressure. Back when we had full-service gas stations they would check your tire pressure, oil, clean your windows, etc. while you sat in comfort in your car. Surprised they didn't just legislate mandatory full-service, could have claimed they created some jobs... Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trans upgrades
Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: I will be changing the transmission fluid and filter in my 83 300d soon. I have read about upgraded parts that I should change while in there. I believe one is a K1 spring kit, what else is there I should do while in there to make it last? It has under 150k miles and is just starting to flare a bit on the 2 to 3 shift. The spring kit is easy enough, though in my 300D I can't say it really made a noticeable difference. I did it when my B2 piston broke and I had things opened up. M1 ATF is good stuff though. Worth the $$ in my opinion. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: Most find 123 lighting too dim anyway, but I don't know about 116. The dash lights on my 300SD are significantly brighter than on my 300D. Maybe a PO installed overwattage bulbs?? Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: I think the 116 has the system that the passenger door will not light the driver's side light. Mine just has one front light, in the center by the mirror. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
Service is mandated in NJ , but it sure isn't Full ! On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: A complete waste of time brought along for ninnys who can't be bothered to just check the dammed tire pressure. Back when we had full-service gas stations they would check your tire pressure, oil, clean your windows, etc. while you sat in comfort in your car. Surprised they didn't just legislate mandatory full-service, could have claimed they created some jobs... Allan -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trans upgrades
I place several neodymium magnets in the pan and by the filter intake to capture any tiny steel bits floating around. They will be coated with black goo next time you change the filter. Put a few on the power steering filter while you are at it. They stay in place just fine. -Dave Walton On Nov 23, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: I will be changing the transmission fluid and filter in my 83 300d soon. I have read about upgraded parts that I should change while in there. I believe one is a K1 spring kit, what else is there I should do while in there to make it last? It has under 150k miles and is just starting to flare a bit on the 2 to 3 shift. Thanks All, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:48:33 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Service is mandated in NJ , but it sure isn't Full ! It's also mandated in Oregon; it also isn't full. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] TPMS
It is gas and go; never expect the attendant to open the hood to check oil nor wash your windshield. Else, you upset the Indian folks and can barely understand their English. If they spilled a few drops of fuel, it is OK. But if you touch the pump, they screamed at you in their native language very very loud. That's full service in NJ. k.S. On 11/23/11, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: Service is mandated in NJ , but it sure isn't Full ! On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: A complete waste of time brought along for ninnys who can't be bothered to just check the dammed tire pressure. Back when we had full-service gas stations they would check your tire pressure, oil, clean your windows, etc. while you sat in comfort in your car. Surprised they didn't just legislate mandatory full-service, could have claimed they created some jobs... Allan -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust
Might be interesting to add a dab of liquid soap to the mixture. Liquid soap (sodium lauryl sulphate) is an emulsifier which might keep the oil in suspension. http://pharmacy.wilkes.edu/kibbeweb/lab6.html .or Tween 80 (not cheap) http://www.bio-world.com/productinfo/4_847_64_486/125960/Tween-Polysorbate.html?gclid=CNenibOqzqwCFQ1X7AodLE3uqw Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Does the acetone actually mix with the ATF? Mine separates instantly with M1 ATF -- haven't bought any ordinary ATF to try it with. That having been said, if I shake it vigorously, and apply immediately, it seems to work. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Acetone mixed with atf is the best penetrant. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W116 electrical gremlins
The dash lights on my 300SD are significantly brighter than on my 300D. Maybe a PO installed overwattage bulbs?? IIRC the 116 and 107 share a dash pod. The lighting is direct in them, whereas in the 123 there are plastic light pipes from bulbs in the back. If you screw up and put in overwattage bulbs on a 123 you will melt the light pipe ends, and the lighting will go _down_! Either change to some kind of ultra-bright LED's to fill the pipes, or line things with shiny aluminum foil. (The latter is fairly easy, and cheap, and doesn't give a blue cast to the dash lighting.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
