Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy
Living was so much more jolly when we had public executions. Cathartic in seeing wrong doers being delivered from evil. Now we just have to read about how nothing of any moral value is being done to rectify the wrongs. clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:20 PM, OK Don wrote: I suspect that it's really more a means to distract the public from the huge amount of government corruption, but every little bit helps - - - On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: That is a very forward thinking manner of dealing with corruption. Maybe we should institute that here clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: I saw a news report saying that Vietnam has sentenced rogue bankers to death. They are hoping to deter further bad banking behavior. I wonder if that would work here? I've lost the source, sorry, can't quote it. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
I do not frequent the wally world. Not when it was stocked with USA products, not now. When it was a small, local concern, I might have been inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I had no need of their custom, no matter the price. clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Mountain Man wrote: clay wrote: Walmart was the trojan horse the orientals used to take over Amerika. It stole... Oh, c'mon - where are the corrections? - Grant, Jim, OKDon? It stole? - no, we bought. I quit years ago when I saw more china than usa. I darken the door at the Wally-Rig for non-prescription made in denmark stuff that costs 25% of what Walgreens charges. See, I am also evil like everyone else - price is god. Orientals did not steal, we buy. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
yeah, i mean, i find it shocking how much andrew and i see eye to eye. this milton friedman approach of just caring about the dollar bottom line and all else be damned doesn't seem to work on any level on the other hand, i used to love to listen to dr friedman talk as he was witty and brilliant and seemed quite a warm nice man On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
you need a hobby to occupy your mind On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: clay wrote: I am still confused about ACA. ...Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health program? I don't have insco and I don't qualify for ACA. There are millions of citizens that ACA does not address. Who? I don't know but I know it doesn't cover me. I haven't tried to apply... Sick and die? - I figure that is what I can do for my country. I don't want to ask what my ACA can do for me. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from 37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly resent that, no? why is it just fine in healthcare? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Wife's hip replacement surgery last year cost us around $1000 out of pocket. Never saw the hospital bill, but I'm sure it was ridiculous and negotiated down considerably from the list prices. When my oldest son was going to be hospitalized for a few days some years back, I saw the rack rate was $400/day, but the provider rate was something like $125/day. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the negotiating ability of the insurance companies. The poor are charged as much as possible by whatever rules govern these practices. Then they are hounded for payment. Insurance companies get way better prices. Upshot of this to me is to have insurance, even if it's really high deductible insurance. Then the negotiation is taken care of before you get the final bill. It all appears to be a game. Noticed in the paper today a local healthcare provider, supposedly non profit, was crowing about how many millions in free health care they gave away last year. All the puzzle pieces don't fit, IMO. On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
perhaps close enough to fort payne to justify a purchase On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. To read about more high-end socks, go to: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324682204578515021407071076?mod=WSJ_hp_EditorsPicksmg=reno64-wsjurl=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424127887324682204578515021407071076.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_EditorsPicks#project=SOCKS0531articleTabs=article Too many Americans have an overstuffed sock drawer, filled with cheaply made products that fall apart and must be replaced several times a year, argues Thomas Lee, a co-founder of Goodhew Socks, based in Chattanooga, Tenn., which asks potential customers to Trust our Thread Architects, the company's sock designers. There's a backlash afoot over the disposability of consumer products, which Americans have taken for granted for 30 years, says Mr. Lee. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
yeah, back in the day, carhartt was all USA. now that i almost fit into them again, i discover they have gone offshore as well :( On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Car Farts
it amazes me how people so love bosch product when nearly all the aftermarket stuff is between mediocre and dismal. just this week i had a guy insist on all bosch filters and nothing could convince him otherwise. i can't recall ever putting anyone in bosch wires as that just borders on sadism. generally i'm big on beru wire sets in beru boxes On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: These old cars are a pain in the posterior. Froggy has been having the farts (Backfiring) for a while. We have discussed it here a few times with all manner of solutions mentioned. I decided to see what another indy would find. I had attended a club meeting at a German car shop that was trying to get more attention from Benz owners. I had Froggy up on the lift at that gathering and minor issues were found, like that trans leak. They offer an oil change package that includes a 130 point inspection and all you pay for are the filter and fluids. At the end, you get a very nicely printed report of all the niggling and large items needing attention. Frosch has a few leaks at the front seal, differential, and on the trans cooler hose. The fuel delivery problem/back firing was the issue I wanted addressed, so there were a few days used trying to get that dealt with. New spark wires to replace the utter garbage I got from Q two years ago. Bosch wires are crap that fell apart at the boots. So far five of the eight failed. New distributor points were installed, though my other indy had claimed to have done the same. They checked a few other items and got the thing running the best it will until I can source fresh injectors and trigger points. Estimate is $5k for that job. I do have a set of used injectors that could be tested and cleaned, then installed to deal with the sloppy spray pattern on the installed ones. Anybody think the trigger points can be rebuilt? Maybe if I had one or two from donor cars. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
i have a walmart on my corner. i avoid it like the plague. kid likes it as you can get anything there at 3AM. place is packed 24/7 the reality is that even having divested myself of most of my stuff, i still have way too much stuff anyway. walmart is not great value anyway. goodwill is great value! (got kid an 800 dollar jacket for 5 bucks not long ago) On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:11 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I do not frequent the wally world. Not when it was stocked with USA products, not now. When it was a small, local concern, I might have been inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I had no need of their custom, no matter the price. clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Mountain Man wrote: clay wrote: Walmart was the trojan horse the orientals used to take over Amerika. It stole... Oh, c'mon - where are the corrections? - Grant, Jim, OKDon? It stole? - no, we bought. I quit years ago when I saw more china than usa. I darken the door at the Wally-Rig for non-prescription made in denmark stuff that costs 25% of what Walgreens charges. See, I am also evil like everyone else - price is god. Orientals did not steal, we buy. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] I bet this is slow
Like the car, have to see it in person. Seller talks a lot without really saying too much... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: April 3, 2014 9:29:50 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] I bet this is slow http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/4404475853.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Just may buy those socks as Christmas presents this year, thanks! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: April 3, 2014 6:30:50 PM EDT To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Must have been something wrong with the car
http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/weird/2014/04/03/elderly-woman-drives-through-cvs-store-winter-haven/7249057/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Must have been something wrong with the car
I suspect there was a nut loose behind the wheel... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: April 4, 2014 9:08:37 AM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Must have been something wrong with the car http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/weird/2014/04/03/elderly-woman-drives-through-cvs-store-winter-haven/7249057/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from 37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly resent that, no? http://www.cnet.com/news/t-mobile-reverses-plan-to-kill-corporate-discounts/ Consumer demand. Same reason people buy cars from negotiating dealers, I guess - 50% of people get a worse deal than they would otherwise, but 50% do better. I always do worse, I am a lousy negotiator. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Again the answers to your questions are easy. A. We (the royal we here) want to pay as little as possible for everything so we can have more junk. This forces stuff to be made as cheaply as possible which requires slave wages. B. 50 years ago there was no need for education since Johnny could just get a good paying job in the mill. Because of that there wasn't real emphasis on education in the way there probably should have been. Today we still haven't made up for the inertia that held us back in that period... Of course the answers are simple but implementation is difficult. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:04:56 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: C3FFCEFF00204631982EB7BDCC7D22B8@ScottHPPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This Walmart hate-in is not logical. Around here, we have freedom to go to Walmart or not. Personally, I'm not going to blame Walmart if I or others choose to shop there. Likewise, I'm not going to blame Walmart if people choose to work there. The questions we should be asking are: (a) Why aren't there more good jobs? and (b) Why aren't more people qualified for the available good jobs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
I really don't think it is 'just fine' with health care, but it's accepted practice all the way to POTUS, so obviously I am in the minority. The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor who cannot in any manner be privy to negotiation tools. This is not the normal POTUS position. ACA may be a tool to turn that situation around, because my friends who had private insurance are now paying 3 times what they paid prior to ACA. But in the end, they still have the negotiation tools that are not available to the guy on the street corner selling papers. On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from 37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly resent that, no? why is it just fine in healthcare? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Wife's hip replacement surgery last year cost us around $1000 out of pocket. Never saw the hospital bill, but I'm sure it was ridiculous and negotiated down considerably from the list prices. When my oldest son was going to be hospitalized for a few days some years back, I saw the rack rate was $400/day, but the provider rate was something like $125/day. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the negotiating ability of the insurance companies. The poor are charged as much as possible by whatever rules govern these practices. Then they are hounded for payment. Insurance companies get way better prices. Upshot of this to me is to have insurance, even if it's really high deductible insurance. Then the negotiation is taken care of before you get the final bill. It all appears to be a game. Noticed in the paper today a local healthcare provider, supposedly non profit, was crowing about how many millions in free health care they gave away last year. All the puzzle pieces don't fit, IMO. On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
I'm not sure I buy the killed small towns. I live in a small town, theres a Wal-Mart one town over, we still have an IGA, a hardware store, typical small town stuff. The city with the Wal-Mart has several grocery stores and many other stores of all different types. The places which died were the ones that treated you poorly, same was what happens when Home Depot or Lowes move to town. Near our camp in Maine one local lumberyard went out when Lowes moved in, the other decided to focus on customer service. When you buy wood the salesman who sold it to you goes to the yard with you to get it. He helps pick through the pile to find the better wood and gives suggestions. He actually knows something and doesn't run away when you're looking for help. They're priced reasonably competitively and the only reason anybody goes to Lowes is that they're open later on Sunday... -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:11:13 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it? Message-ID: 1f0788f4-004d-4be3-afe9-11c8f3d2b...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do not frequent the wally world. Not when it was stocked with USA products, not now. When it was a small, local concern, I might have been inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I had no need of their custom, no matter the price. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
I don't have time to go into all of the details right now, but I can assure you that Walmart's entry into our area killed most of the small businesses. I knew two of them personally. One was a pharmacy that was a two generation business (we had two pharmacies in town.) Walmart approached both, telling them they could sell them (Walmart) their customer list or just be run out of business. One survived, but only because they shifted their business to selling liquor and they had two other locations in rural towns outside of Walmart's reach. The other closed down and sold their info to Walmart. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure I buy the killed small towns. I live in a small town, theres a Wal-Mart one town over, we still have an IGA, a hardware store, typical small town stuff. The city with the Wal-Mart has several grocery stores and many other stores of all different types. The places which died were the ones that treated you poorly, same was what happens when Home Depot or Lowes move to town. Near our camp in Maine one local lumberyard went out when Lowes moved in, the other decided to focus on customer service. When you buy wood the salesman who sold it to you goes to the yard with you to get it. He helps pick through the pile to find the better wood and gives suggestions. He actually knows something and doesn't run away when you're looking for help. They're priced reasonably competitively and the only reason anybody goes to Lowes is that they're open later on Sunday... -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:11:13 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it? Message-ID: 1f0788f4-004d-4be3-afe9-11c8f3d2b...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do not frequent the wally world. Not when it was stocked with USA products, not now. When it was a small, local concern, I might have been inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I had no need of their custom, no matter the price. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Do bear in mind however, that the USA likes to export things too and if everyone bought only goods made in their own country there would be no exports. Like it or not, there is a world economy and we do have to try to fit into it. Theoretically, if they can do it cheaper, or better, or whatever, then it does make sense to buy it from them. Hopefully, we too have products that we are better at and they will buy those from us. Randy On 03/04/2014 5:45 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Agreed. Walmart has only given people what they want. As for their personnel polices, well, that's a whole 'nother issue. I do what Curt does as much as possible. I try to find high quality, American made products when I buy something. Better yet, whenever possible, I try to find local businesses who produce the product or sell them. I believe in keeping my money at home when possible, and while I often pay more for something I could get cheaper at Walmart, I know my money is staying close by and benefitting my local community. If we did this Walmart would not go away, but would be seriously diminished, I believe. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:30 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple. Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it. An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle. VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:41:36 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: 533db970.9090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not the world's biggest fan of Walmart. I don't know what my wife buys there but personally about the only things I have acquired from them in recent times is some Zerex coolant and some Mobil1 oil. However I will come to their defence again. They are not alone. It does not seem to matter where I shop these days, the majority of goods seem to have a Made in China stamp on them. It is sad but it is true and as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and there is no easy fix to it. Big business found cheaper goods and we bought them. We are big time consumers. The advertising flyers promise good deals on junk we don't need every day. We buy it and haul it home and store it. I really don't think you can say it is Walmart's fault. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. --R On 4/4/14 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm not sure I buy the killed small towns. I live in a small town, theres a Wal-Mart one town over, we still have an IGA, a hardware store, typical small town stuff. The city with the Wal-Mart has several grocery stores and many other stores of all different types. The places which died were the ones that treated you poorly, same was what happens when Home Depot or Lowes move to town. Near our camp in Maine one local lumberyard went out when Lowes moved in, the other decided to focus on customer service. When you buy wood the salesman who sold it to you goes to the yard with you to get it. He helps pick through the pile to find the better wood and gives suggestions. He actually knows something and doesn't run away when you're looking for help. They're priced reasonably competitively and the only reason anybody goes to Lowes is that they're open later on Sunday... -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:11:13 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it? Message-ID: 1f0788f4-004d-4be3-afe9-11c8f3d2b...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do not frequent the wally world. Not when it was stocked with USA products, not now. When it was a small, local concern, I might have been inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I had no need of their custom, no matter the price. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. --R I do have to say that I am impressed by the inventory that is carried by Menard's and Lowes in the USA. Home Depot too but I don't get there as often as there isn't one in Grand Forks, ND. There is in Fargo, ND and I get there about once each year, usually in August. Not the same in Canada. We have Home Depot here in Winnipeg and there are at least 5 or 6 stores scattered around the city. They seem to have limited their stock more than in the USA. Things like bolts drive me crazy. Not easy to buy something like 7/16 any more. 3/8 or 1/2 but not the ones in between. Try to buy fine thread. They had this sort of thing when they opened but they have since limited it to the more standard sizes. Maybe their computers tell them no one buys that stuff but they used to have it and it makes my angry that they no longer do. I know business is about making money but service has declined in many ways. I could go on all day but another item that seems to be disappearing is ordinary copper plumbing fittings. They want to sell shark bite to the numb folks who cannot fix anything in a proper way. The trades folks seem to be willing to swallow this too as it saves them a second or two and time is money. The shark bit fittings cost umpteen times as much as a normal fitting that one would solder so they make more money on the parts markup too. Call me old fashioned but I don't trust the shark bit fittings. Might be ok in an exposed spot so long as whatever is around it won't be damaged if it starts to leak, but I don't intend to put it inside a wall. I have embraced pex to some extent so I am not totally prehistoric but even then I wonder about how long plastic is intended to last. I hope I am old enough that I won't have to worry about it in my own home. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
Thinking of Randy's concern about plastic in the house, and remembering when the class action lawsuit forced a vendor to replumb my lake house... the one Dan remembers... Plastic is not forever... On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. --R I do have to say that I am impressed by the inventory that is carried by Menard's and Lowes in the USA. Home Depot too but I don't get there as often as there isn't one in Grand Forks, ND. There is in Fargo, ND and I get there about once each year, usually in August. Not the same in Canada. We have Home Depot here in Winnipeg and there are at least 5 or 6 stores scattered around the city. They seem to have limited their stock more than in the USA. Things like bolts drive me crazy. Not easy to buy something like 7/16 any more. 3/8 or 1/2 but not the ones in between. Try to buy fine thread. They had this sort of thing when they opened but they have since limited it to the more standard sizes. Maybe their computers tell them no one buys that stuff but they used to have it and it makes my angry that they no longer do. I know business is about making money but service has declined in many ways. I could go on all day but another item that seems to be disappearing is ordinary copper plumbing fittings. They want to sell shark bite to the numb folks who cannot fix anything in a proper way. The trades folks seem to be willing to swallow this too as it saves them a second or two and time is money. The shark bit fittings cost umpteen times as much as a normal fitting that one would solder so they make more money on the parts markup too. Call me old fashioned but I don't trust the shark bit fittings. Might be ok in an exposed spot so long as whatever is around it won't be damaged if it starts to leak, but I don't intend to put it inside a wall. I have embraced pex to some extent so I am not totally prehistoric but even then I wonder about how long plastic is intended to last. I hope I am old enough that I won't have to worry about it in my own home. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
I was never so excited as the day an Ace Hardware opened in a nearby strip mall that also has a Walmart. They have the majik boxes that contain all sorts of odd, weird and unique fasteners and hardware. They are far more expensive than the four big box (Lowes Home Despot) that are within 7 miles of my house, but I can get what I need there, get in and out, and it's only a few minutes away. Plus they have free popcorn. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. --R I do have to say that I am impressed by the inventory that is carried by Menard's and Lowes in the USA. Home Depot too but I don't get there as often as there isn't one in Grand Forks, ND. There is in Fargo, ND and I get there about once each year, usually in August. Not the same in Canada. We have Home Depot here in Winnipeg and there are at least 5 or 6 stores scattered around the city. They seem to have limited their stock more than in the USA. Things like bolts drive me crazy. Not easy to buy something like 7/16 any more. 3/8 or 1/2 but not the ones in between. Try to buy fine thread. They had this sort of thing when they opened but they have since limited it to the more standard sizes. Maybe their computers tell them no one buys that stuff but they used to have it and it makes my angry that they no longer do. I know business is about making money but service has declined in many ways. I could go on all day but another item that seems to be disappearing is ordinary copper plumbing fittings. They want to sell shark bite to the numb folks who cannot fix anything in a proper way. The trades folks seem to be willing to swallow this too as it saves them a second or two and time is money. The shark bit fittings cost umpteen times as much as a normal fitting that one would solder so they make more money on the parts markup too. Call me old fashioned but I don't trust the shark bit fittings. Might be ok in an exposed spot so long as whatever is around it won't be damaged if it starts to leak, but I don't intend to put it inside a wall. I have embraced pex to some extent so I am not totally prehistoric but even then I wonder about how long plastic is intended to last. I hope I am old enough that I won't have to worry about it in my own home. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Foreign countries - especially the 3rd world countries tend to concentrate on science and technical education much more than we do in the west. They understand that is the way to improving their lot in life. We tend to be lazy and pat people on the back because they got a liberal arts degree. Usually much easier to get a degree in sociology or physcology than in math or engineering or chemistry etc. We don't push our young people hard enough in grade school and they come out for the most part not interested in pushing themselves in university. So we get more and more people with minimal skills who expect a good job without having to work for it. There are a few gifted souls who find the maths and sciences easy but not enough of them. We are no longer able to do what the folks in places like China do. They manage to produce reasonable copies of things we once made. Often made by grandmothers sitting on dirt floors. Maybe almost an exaggeration now but at one time certainly true and maybe still somewhat true for some of the rougher goods that we see. I think the USA was once like that but things got to be too good and the factory workers got unionized and demanded more and more money to do less and less. The auto industry was a good example. Some of the line workers that had been on the job for many years commanded silly hourly wages for what they produced. I think most of us need to accept and remember that we need to earn the money we are paid and that if we cease to do so the employer is going to have a problem one way or another. We have educated too many people in the last few decades in ways that have not helped us much. Too many business grads and not enough engineers etc. The business people are just trying to find ways to make money and most often do not look at what they are doing to the company or the country. The biggest item on the spreadsheet is usually wages. How do we cut wages? We outsource to cheaper labour markets like Mexico and now China. We can build a lawn mower for a whole lot less than when it was made in Milwaukee (sp?) but soon, we have to wonder who we are going to sell it to. If the average guy cannot afford a house then he won't need a lawn mower no matter how cheap he can buy it at Walmart. We have been sold a bill of goods for a long while. The rise of things like television permitted the business grads to advertise to the masses and convince us to buy things whether we needed them or not. Advertising made us want things that our grandparents and even parents never had and did not know they needed. We all wanted to live the dream. We wanted white collar jobs that paid well and we wanted cheap consumer goods. Well we got what we wanted but it came at the expense of many other things. The wife and mother has to work outside the home in order to pay for all of this new stuff. The teachers have to train the children in a whole lot of things they used to learn at home so they don't have as much time to concentrate on the 3 R's etc. None of this is new and I am rambling a bit but as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and we don't know how to get out of it. People our age are the ones who can see the problem. I doubt if most of the younger folks have any idea how things used to be and what they are missing now. Trades people used to be respected and they for the most part tried to provide good service and do a good job. Now many of them work for big companies that contract out through Home Depot. All that matters is profit. That is driven by the business education folks who can hire the liberal arts grad cheap etc. . . . . . I could go on all day but I won't. My mother did not have a microwave oven, or a dishwasher, or a dryer or when I was growing up. My father earned his way as a sort of jack of all trades. He had a sawmill and he did construction work. I, as a hobbiest, have 100X the tools that he ever had. I have tools I have never used and probably don't even know I have. He had pretty basic stuff but he used it well and he did fine. He pounded in nails with a hammer. He never owned an air nailer of any sort, and we are not talking all that long ago. He died in 1983 at age 63. Randy On 04/04/2014 9:33 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Again the answers to your questions are easy. A. We (the royal we here) want to pay as little as possible for everything so we can have more junk. This forces stuff to be made as cheaply as possible which requires slave wages. B. 50 years ago there was no need for education since Johnny could just get a good paying job in the mill. Because of that there wasn't real emphasis on education in the way there probably should have been. Today we still haven't made up for the inertia that held us back in that period... Of course the answers are simple but implementation is difficult. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Click american made retailers on Bing or other search engines. Gerry On 4/3/2014 10:38 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:45:48 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I do what Curt does as much as possible. I try to find high quality, American made products when I buy something. Better yet, whenever possible, I try to find local businesses who produce the product or sell them. I believe in keeping my money at home when possible, and while I often pay more for something I could get cheaper at Walmart, I know my money is staying close by and benefitting my local community. Well, that is indeed a good idea! How about we all share the good, USA made products we use or know of? Perhaps Kaleb could set up a page on the Okiebenz website to catalog our offerings. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Ya need to buy more of those NC socks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy
What comes to my mind is more along the lines of the French Revolution and liberal use of Guillotine in public discharge of ruling class. Adjusted for present ruling class, of course, but by citizens not government. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Living was so much more jolly when we had public executions. Cathartic in seeing wrong doers being delivered from evil. Now we just have to read about how nothing of any moral value is being done to rectify the wrongs. clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:20 PM, OK Don wrote: I suspect that it's really more a means to distract the public from the huge amount of government corruption, but every little bit helps - - - On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: That is a very forward thinking manner of dealing with corruption. Maybe we should institute that here clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: I saw a news report saying that Vietnam has sentenced rogue bankers to death. They are hoping to deter further bad banking behavior. I wonder if that would work here? I've lost the source, sorry, can't quote it. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Georgia gun rights bill
It’s been dubbed the “guns everywhere” bill, and once it’s signed into law it will make Georgia the latest state to allow firearms to be carried in churches, bars, airports and classrooms. The bill, passed with bipartisan support in the legislature, is jam-packed with changes to the state’s gun laws, a sweeping and comprehensive piece of legislation that loosens gun control rather than tightens it. The pending law is awaiting Gov. Nathan Deal's expected signature. Here are some of the key changes in the omnibus bill: * It will no longer be illegal to bring a firearm to a place of worship, as long as the congregation says it’s allowed. If someone is caught with a firearm in a church that bans guns there will be a $100 fine. * School districts will be allowed to decide if staff can carry firearms in elementary and high schools. Firearms still won’t be legal on college campuses but the penalty for licence holders is dropped to $100. * Licensed carriers will be able to bring firearms into bars unless the owner disallows it. Someone who doesn’t co-operate with a no-gun rule could be charged with trespassing on private property. * No more bans on firearms in public housing. * Firearms can be carried in non-secure areas of airports. A person with a gun caught in a secure area will simply be asked to leave, without risk of arrest, jail or a fine. * Police won't be able to stop people to ask to see a carry permit. * No database allowed of concealed carry permit holderssnip http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/georgia-s-guns-everywhere-bill-celebrated-by-pro-gun-lobby-1.2597232?cmp=rss%3C ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Regarding Lowe's, I made a number of trips to Lowe's when I first moved here in '07 and was rather disappointed that they either didn't have what I was looking for or one couldn't find anyone knowledgeable enough to help, so I went to the local Ace hardware downtown and found that they are very high on customer service and this store is an old fashioned hardware store (e.g., wooden floors, etc.) and I think I've I've only been there once when they didn't have what I was after. The Ace hardware store in Williamson, NY is very similar. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
Nice house. I could have lived there, plastic plumbing our not. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Thinking of Randy's concern about plastic in the house, and remembering when the class action lawsuit forced a vendor to replumb my lake house... the one Dan remembers... Plastic is not forever... On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
How do they compare to Muck boots? Mike On Apr 4, 2014 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
yes, it shocks me as medicine is the only business i know where cash customers pay the most, often by a factor of many. it was one of the first factors in my alienation from the doctors. if you'd do this job for $42 for aetna, why are you asking me for $150? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: I really don't think it is 'just fine' with health care, but it's accepted practice all the way to POTUS, so obviously I am in the minority. The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor who cannot in any manner be privy to negotiation tools. This is not the normal POTUS position. ACA may be a tool to turn that situation around, because my friends who had private insurance are now paying 3 times what they paid prior to ACA. But in the end, they still have the negotiation tools that are not available to the guy on the street corner selling papers. On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:35 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: which is pretty obscene to my mind. i mean, imagine you walk into a store to buy a pair of shoes and the price for the exact same shoes varies from 37 to 150 dollars depending on your affiliations. you'd certainly resent that, no? why is it just fine in healthcare? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Wife's hip replacement surgery last year cost us around $1000 out of pocket. Never saw the hospital bill, but I'm sure it was ridiculous and negotiated down considerably from the list prices. When my oldest son was going to be hospitalized for a few days some years back, I saw the rack rate was $400/day, but the provider rate was something like $125/day. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the negotiating ability of the insurance companies. The poor are charged as much as possible by whatever rules govern these practices. Then they are hounded for payment. Insurance companies get way better prices. Upshot of this to me is to have insurance, even if it's really high deductible insurance. Then the negotiation is taken care of before you get the final bill. It all appears to be a game. Noticed in the paper today a local healthcare provider, supposedly non profit, was crowing about how many millions in free health care they gave away last year. All the puzzle pieces don't fit, IMO. On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
i concur, although i was too cheap at the end of the day to buy them and ended up with johnston murphy instead. that was 25 years ago as i have so little use for real shoes for my dad, there was but one brand of shoe, floorchime, but they have long ago been all imported my understanding is that most johnston and murphy and many allen edmunds are now made offshore. really, there is no US shoe industry left as off the top of my head i can only add alden and a few new balance to the two above off the top of my head as USA shoes On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Georgia gun rights bill
i kinda like it On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: It's been dubbed the guns everywhere bill, and once it's signed into law it will make Georgia the latest state to allow firearms to be carried in churches, bars, airports and classrooms. The bill, passed with bipartisan support in the legislature, is jam-packed with changes to the state's gun laws, a sweeping and comprehensive piece of legislation that loosens gun control rather than tightens it. The pending law is awaiting Gov. Nathan Deal's expected signature. Here are some of the key changes in the omnibus bill: * It will no longer be illegal to bring a firearm to a place of worship, as long as the congregation says it's allowed. If someone is caught with a firearm in a church that bans guns there will be a $100 fine. * School districts will be allowed to decide if staff can carry firearms in elementary and high schools. Firearms still won't be legal on college campuses but the penalty for licence holders is dropped to $100. * Licensed carriers will be able to bring firearms into bars unless the owner disallows it. Someone who doesn't co-operate with a no-gun rule could be charged with trespassing on private property. * No more bans on firearms in public housing. * Firearms can be carried in non-secure areas of airports. A person with a gun caught in a secure area will simply be asked to leave, without risk of arrest, jail or a fine. * Police won't be able to stop people to ask to see a carry permit. * No database allowed of concealed carry permit holderssnip http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/georgia-s-guns-everywhere- bill-celebrated-by-pro-gun-lobby-1.2597232?cmp=rss%3C ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
as i now reside full time in south florida, my need for NC mill wool socks has gone from limited to non existent i used to have my clothes made by an old woman in the hood from north carolina sourced cloth, but she just stopped working at the youthful age of 93, leaving me to the fat man catalog and offshore clothing (most of which has been really good. the only items i ever got made in china, though, fell apart after a couple of wearings). i figured it wasn't that big of a problem as i'd someday shrink back to carhartt size, but i now learn that even the most iconic of american work clothes is now made offshore On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Ya need to buy more of those NC socks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/ dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
downtowns are really making a comeback over the last couple of decades. yours never came back? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I don't have time to go into all of the details right now, but I can assure you that Walmart's entry into our area killed most of the small businesses. I knew two of them personally. One was a pharmacy that was a two generation business (we had two pharmacies in town.) Walmart approached both, telling them they could sell them (Walmart) their customer list or just be run out of business. One survived, but only because they shifted their business to selling liquor and they had two other locations in rural towns outside of Walmart's reach. The other closed down and sold their info to Walmart. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure I buy the killed small towns. I live in a small town, theres a Wal-Mart one town over, we still have an IGA, a hardware store, typical small town stuff. The city with the Wal-Mart has several grocery stores and many other stores of all different types. The places which died were the ones that treated you poorly, same was what happens when Home Depot or Lowes move to town. Near our camp in Maine one local lumberyard went out when Lowes moved in, the other decided to focus on customer service. When you buy wood the salesman who sold it to you goes to the yard with you to get it. He helps pick through the pile to find the better wood and gives suggestions. He actually knows something and doesn't run away when you're looking for help. They're priced reasonably competitively and the only reason anybody goes to Lowes is that they're open later on Sunday... -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:11:13 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it? Message-ID: 1f0788f4-004d-4be3-afe9-11c8f3d2b...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do not frequent the wally world. Not when it was stocked with USA products, not now. When it was a small, local concern, I might have been inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I had no need of their custom, no matter the price. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
same thing with my chassidim in rockland county, ny. they often bypass their own merchants to buy at the walmart, although the community as a whole still opposed walmart moving to a better location andn opening a super walmart On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. --R On 4/4/14 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm not sure I buy the killed small towns. I live in a small town, theres a Wal-Mart one town over, we still have an IGA, a hardware store, typical small town stuff. The city with the Wal-Mart has several grocery stores and many other stores of all different types. The places which died were the ones that treated you poorly, same was what happens when Home Depot or Lowes move to town. Near our camp in Maine one local lumberyard went out when Lowes moved in, the other decided to focus on customer service. When you buy wood the salesman who sold it to you goes to the yard with you to get it. He helps pick through the pile to find the better wood and gives suggestions. He actually knows something and doesn't run away when you're looking for help. They're priced reasonably competitively and the only reason anybody goes to Lowes is that they're open later on Sunday... -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 23:11:13 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it? Message-ID: 1f0788f4-004d-4be3-afe9-11c8f3d2b...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do not frequent the wally world. Not when it was stocked with USA products, not now. When it was a small, local concern, I might have been inclined, but when they decided to plop giant boxes that killed small towns, and ran the folks who supplied them with product out of business, I found I had no need of their custom, no matter the price. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
every town used to have the great old hardware store with inventory of oddities dating back often to the 19th century. along with the great old hardware store came the great old hardware man who knew in his head where every screw in the store was those were better days for me On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I was never so excited as the day an Ace Hardware opened in a nearby strip mall that also has a Walmart. They have the majik boxes that contain all sorts of odd, weird and unique fasteners and hardware. They are far more expensive than the four big box (Lowes Home Despot) that are within 7 miles of my house, but I can get what I need there, get in and out, and it's only a few minutes away. Plus they have free popcorn. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. --R I do have to say that I am impressed by the inventory that is carried by Menard's and Lowes in the USA. Home Depot too but I don't get there as often as there isn't one in Grand Forks, ND. There is in Fargo, ND and I get there about once each year, usually in August. Not the same in Canada. We have Home Depot here in Winnipeg and there are at least 5 or 6 stores scattered around the city. They seem to have limited their stock more than in the USA. Things like bolts drive me crazy. Not easy to buy something like 7/16 any more. 3/8 or 1/2 but not the ones in between. Try to buy fine thread. They had this sort of thing when they opened but they have since limited it to the more standard sizes. Maybe their computers tell them no one buys that stuff but they used to have it and it makes my angry that they no longer do. I know business is about making money but service has declined in many ways. I could go on all day but another item that seems to be disappearing is ordinary copper plumbing fittings. They want to sell shark bite to the numb folks who cannot fix anything in a proper way. The trades folks seem to be willing to swallow this too as it saves them a second or two and time is money. The shark bit fittings cost umpteen times as much as a normal fitting that one would solder so they make more money on the parts markup too. Call me old fashioned but I don't trust the shark bit fittings. Might be ok in an exposed spot so long as whatever is around it won't be damaged if it starts to leak, but I don't intend to put it inside a wall. I have embraced pex to some extent so I am not totally prehistoric but even then I wonder about how long plastic is intended to last. I hope I am old enough that I won't have to worry about it in my own home. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over
[MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes
http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its-turbo-in-half-1558154190/+gmanaugh --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes
On 04/04/2014 2:46 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its-turbo-in-half-1558154190/+gmanaugh --R ___ I was at the local car show a couple of weeks back and one of the things on display was an exhaust system for a car with the turbos at the back of the car. A bit of plumbing given that the exhaust ran from the engine back to the turbos and then the boost pipes ran back to the front. Supposedly the boost air is much cooler than it would be if the turbos were under the hood. I think they said it was designed to fit on an early Roadrunner. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes
I was drooling over the new GLK250 bluetec at the stealers this week. It has a bi turbo. On Apr 4, 2014 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its- turbo-in-half-1558154190/+gmanaugh --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes
Only about 39k for basic model. 53k base price for E250 bluetec. Double drool. On Apr 4, 2014 5:07 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Wow, a GLKBT --R On 4/4/14 4:46 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: I was drooling over the new GLK250 bluetec at the stealers this week. It has a bi turbo. On Apr 4, 2014 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@ constructivity.net wrote: http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its- turbo-in-half-1558154190/+gmanaugh --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
The figure touted by the administration is 7 million, but various surveys report that between 2/3 and 3/4 of those had previous insurance that was cancelled by the so-called ACA. So the fact is that very few of those 47 million have actually been covered by the ACA. Probably only 2.3 million or fewer. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 11:54 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) It doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense. And oh, by the way (1) how many of those 7M have actually signed up and made a first payment to an insco (vs just signing up on on the ACA site) and (2) how many were previously insured but lost coverage because it didn't comply with ACA? There are considerably more than 40M still uninsured. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) I am still confused about ACA. The whole circus was to be able to provide lower cost health care to a larger contingent of consumers. There were supposed to be something like 47 million uninsured consumers in need of the new ACA programs. These people were going to be paying into a big pot of cash. Everybody would get much lower hospital bills. Now Our Great Leader is trumpeting that this circus has liberated 7 million people from the horrors of being without insurance. Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health program? And if the program has snagged a bunch of users, are these the young users, who cost nothing, but pour scads of cash into the program, or are the new folks all old and going to suck the system dry? just asking clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] NOT Walmart but Mercedes
Wow, a GLKBT --R On 4/4/14 4:46 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: I was drooling over the new GLK250 bluetec at the stealers this week. It has a bi turbo. On Apr 4, 2014 3:46 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-f1s-secret-is-it-split-its- turbo-in-half-1558154190/+gmanaugh --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Cop prank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ91qt7-brU#t=260 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Britain mimicking America, (or America mimicking Britain?)
No, I didn't write that. My kids went to school beginning in '61 and '64. Daughter had one seemingly poor teacher in grade school who said she would not pass to the next grade 2 weeks before the end of the school year. Daughter and I sat on the couch those two weeks while I helped her learn the material in which she was supposed to be deficient. She passed the exam and moved on to the next grade. Years later she graduated from college magna cum laude. From that and sons graduation from a not very easy Sewanee University, I would assume that back then the schools were not too bad. I have no idea what's going on in present day schools. Gerry On 4/3/2014 7:30 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wrote: ...crusade to churn out a new generation of school-leavers drilled by soulless, dumbed-down and part-privatized education. So who is the leader here? Common Core UK style? or Common Core USA-Duncan style? Duncan is another protege of good looking Dem Daily-machine politics that rule Chicago for 50 years. Big Boss? - even moreso today, but what do I know. I know what MSM tells me, and... Another brick in the wall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOdYnj6BdyY mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Political money
With the latest Supreme Court decision, the Preamble should start with the phrase:- We, the corporations,... Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
Like the old parts man that knew every part number in his head. I bet Trent is like that. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: every town used to have the great old hardware store with inventory of oddities dating back often to the 19th century. along with the great old hardware store came the great old hardware man who knew in his head where every screw in the store was those were better days for me On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I was never so excited as the day an Ace Hardware opened in a nearby strip mall that also has a Walmart. They have the majik boxes that contain all sorts of odd, weird and unique fasteners and hardware. They are far more expensive than the four big box (Lowes Home Despot) that are within 7 miles of my house, but I can get what I need there, get in and out, and it's only a few minutes away. Plus they have free popcorn. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/04/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: My grandparents lived outside a smallish town in KY. I was there once and wanted to build some steps for their house. So my dad and I go off and hit the 2 lumberyards in town to get some deck screws and treated lumber. Neither store had deck screws. So off to 2 hardware stores, huhwhatchootalkinabout? No deck screws in town so I ended up using galvanized nails which they had. This whole ordeal took most of the morning and I still did not get what I wanted and what should have been easily available. Now they have a Lowes and a Walmart and the places are overrun most of the time because you can go in there and get what you need and get out and not pay the usurious monopolistic limited-selection prices. Even the Amish like going there over the local spots. --R I do have to say that I am impressed by the inventory that is carried by Menard's and Lowes in the USA. Home Depot too but I don't get there as often as there isn't one in Grand Forks, ND. There is in Fargo, ND and I get there about once each year, usually in August. Not the same in Canada. We have Home Depot here in Winnipeg and there are at least 5 or 6 stores scattered around the city. They seem to have limited their stock more than in the USA. Things like bolts drive me crazy. Not easy to buy something like 7/16 any more. 3/8 or 1/2 but not the ones in between. Try to buy fine thread. They had this sort of thing when they opened but they have since limited it to the more standard sizes. Maybe their computers tell them no one buys that stuff but they used to have it and it makes my angry that they no longer do. I know business is about making money but service has declined in many ways. I could go on all day but another item that seems to be disappearing is ordinary copper plumbing fittings. They want to sell shark bite to the numb folks who cannot fix anything in a proper way. The trades folks seem to be willing to swallow this too as it saves them a second or two and time is money. The shark bit fittings cost umpteen times as much as a normal fitting that one would solder so they make more money on the parts markup too. Call me old fashioned but I don't trust the shark bit fittings. Might be ok in an exposed spot so long as whatever is around it won't be damaged if it starts to leak, but I don't intend to put it inside a wall. I have embraced pex to some extent so I am not totally prehistoric but even then I wonder about how long plastic is intended to last. I hope I am old enough that I won't have to worry about it in my own home. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
My well water is slightly acid (ph-wise). In 2005 I replaced all the existing 1960s-vintage copper plumbing with PEX. The old rigid copper pipes were quite thin by then and the flex tubing would leak if you flexed it. The plumber used a short section of corrugated copper flex to connect the water heater to the PEX. In about six years the hot-side corrugated flex started leaking a high pressure spray (it was like a steam bath in the room). I replaced it with a piece of temp-rated reinforced plastic. The bottom line: plastic may not be forever but, with my water, it will outlast copper. -Original Message- From: Richard Hattaway Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 12:45 PM Thinking of Randy's concern about plastic in the house, and remembering when the class action lawsuit forced a vendor to replumb my lake house... the one Dan remembers... Plastic is not forever... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Randy rambled: ...So we get more and more people with minimal skills who expect a good job without having to work for it. You are repeating what MSM says. There are no skilled jobs available anymore. That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing barista work or asking if you want fries - they tell us that skill jobs do not exist today. Your best lines were last night - don't buy WalMart. Thanks for rambling - ramble on. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Florsheim? ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i concur, although i was too cheap at the end of the day to buy them and ended up with johnston murphy instead. that was 25 years ago as i have so little use for real shoes for my dad, there was but one brand of shoe, floorchime, but they have long ago been all imported my understanding is that most johnston and murphy and many allen edmunds are now made offshore. really, there is no US shoe industry left as off the top of my head i can only add alden and a few new balance to the two above off the top of my head as USA shoes On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just like my dress shoes. Two words: Allen Edmonds Newest pair is 16 years old. Oldest pair in excess of 20. Need to break down and buy a new pair of black loafers this year. Will probably cost me $300 unless I go to Port Washington this summer and attend their tent sale. Money very well spent. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a pair of made in the USA Red Wings and a pair of made in Italy hiking boots which are in fact my daily footwear. After 3 years my hikers need new soles. I'm debating seeing if I can find somebody to do the job or paying LL Bean for another pair. For dress shoes I have a pair of Italian shoes. I bought all the footwear listed above in 1 year and paid more than I'd paid in the previous 10. It was totally worth it. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:40:09 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: calk3cy6godtep5g_ph8deavth4_l61+da1ylckzi+psu47x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Gary wrote: why is it just fine in healthcare? Why is it just fine in hospitalization? - that is what you mean. Caring for one's health is very diverse in food and exercise. Caring for one's health is not diverse, i.e. nobody's health depends on processed foods, pharmaceuticals that mimic real food, high fructose corn syrup, fake sweetener, fake fat. Care of your health is becoming a lost art. We depend on hospital for health and need insco. Not me. No insco here. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Gary wrote: you need a hobby to occupy your mind My hobby is called okiebenz. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
They don't hafta be wool; how 'bout NC cotton? I'm just trying to drum up a market for the poor farmers around here. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? as i now reside full time in south florida, my need for NC mill wool socks has gone from limited to non existent i used to have my clothes made by an old woman in the hood from north carolina sourced cloth, but she just stopped working at the youthful age of 93, leaving me to the fat man catalog and offshore clothing (most of which has been really good. the only items i ever got made in china, though, fell apart after a couple of wearings). i figured it wasn't that big of a problem as i'd someday shrink back to carhartt size, but i now learn that even the most iconic of american work clothes is now made offshore On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Ya need to buy more of those NC socks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? i only buy socks made in fort payne as those people have always been nice to me well, ok, i did cheat on them once 10 years ago buying some wool socks from a mill in NC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/ dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:14:03 -0500 From: maontin@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? There are no skilled jobs available anymore. I have to call BS on that one. That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing barista work or asking if you want fries Because they have LIBERAL ARTS DEGREES. I am busy right now. I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical maintenance, ect. in the Chicago-land area if you like, later. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=electrical+maintenancel=Chicago%2C+IL http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=mechanical+maintenancel=Chicago%2C+IL Just for you... http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=autocad+drafterl=Chicago%2C+IL Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Richard wrote: The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor... The poor cannot be taken to court for non payment, can they? If a poor person files as bankrupt and there are no assets, what can be taken? Bankrupt is supposed to take value from the poor to pay for debt but if there are no assets the debt goes unpaid, hence, perhaps the poor are better off for hospital-care? Bankruptcy cannot leave a person destitute at the street in the gutter, can it? Doesn't bankruptcy allow a person to be left with a modicum of day to day living essentials? Thanks barrister Randy and barrister Grant. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Rick wrote: I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical maintenance, ect. in the Chicago-land area if you like, later. Factor in a few outstanding negatives and I bet I still remain without paycheck. Leave the jobs to younger people like I was a few years ago and let the younger live. There comes a time when exit is a nice place. When the theater gets crowded, and the young need space to grow the theater belongs to the young, not mine anymore. Post the help wanted that you find easily, but realize these may not be real jobs - there is lots of that in the listings. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 14 or 15?
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/pts/4407286215.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15?
All the bundts I have seen ARE 14. I have several in my basement. YMMV.. On Apr 4, 2014 9:37 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote: http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/pts/4407286215.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15?
All the bundts I have seen ARE 14. I have several in my basement. YMMV.. W116 6.9 came with 15. Those are the only ones I know of, and obviously about as rare as W116 parts cars with M100 engines. (well, about 1/5 as rare, if most of the parts cars have five wheels) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Richard wrote: The poor cannot be taken to court for non payment, can they? If a poor person files as bankrupt and there are no assets, what can be taken? I know somebody who is in 'debtors prison' in Battle Creek Michigan as I type this. They transported him about 150 miles after having him arrested on a warrant for being behind in child support for his now 31 year old son. He claims they intend to shove him out the door in Battle Creek in another month instead of putting him back where they found him. Or he can pay them the $500 they want and they'll shove him out the door today. They've had him in jail since Feb 13th, so even if he could come up with the $500 they'd lose money on the deal. He wants me to loan him $500. I don't give in to ransom demands of terrorists and kidnappers, it just encourages them to do it more. Locking up an indigent man for being permanently indigent is just incredibly stupid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
The chronic poor have a good go at cheap healthcare, as they cannot get blood from a turnip, as you mention. Personal experience, in an ER while my son was having a toe sewn back on ( too many beers, rough deck on the beach house ), was a woman there who was sick, and needed help. She was not dying, but I think she wishes she was. It was obvious that they were ignoring her. Maybe she comes in every week, who knows.. but the experience I had was that she got her friend to take her home. Her comment was that when she called the ambulance to bring her back, they would see her asap, where as now she was having to wait. She didn't give a chit about what it was going to cost, as she wasn't paying for it anyway. My concern is the family that lives in a modest house or apartment, lives from paycheck to paycheck, must give up something to buy something else, and has no hope of every improving. This describes a large piece of our country's population. They cannot afford a sudden negative change of $150 in their paycheck. It will have to come from food, or gas, or housing. That's the only thing they spend money on. Many of these don't have health insurance, and cannot afford ACA stuff, even though they must find the money or be fined by POTUS. These folks have a phone, and are aware of credit ratings, and know that when the hungry hospital administrator calls, he is going to force them to make a decision on what they can live without. And they will do the best they can to get the bill paid, because they are the backbone of America. The *FELONY* here is that they do not get the same charges as I do, for instance, because I have the largest medical service negotiator known on this earth negotiating for me. If I got what I get without insurance, I'd consider not having insurance, as it is not all that bad, as long as you're healthy. And of course I am talking about insurance here, and I have a strong positive feeling that it should be only for catastrophic care.. I cannot do that, as I've been paying my insurer so long that I get what I get and nothing less. If someone wants to live without any insurance, then have at it. I've seen my then 3 yr old grandson's bill cross the 7 figure line in 2004, and have known a whole pile of healthy folks that have gone to the hospital for something 'minor' and come out with a new appreciation of the fact that the insurance allowed them to keep their car and house. So I believe in insurance and I also believe in healthcare as Dan suggests. Plus if you do Dan's healthcare plan, and have minimal insurance then you also have the negotiation power that is so important today to keep your medical bills at a reasonable level. There is absolutely no justification for the situation Hursty describes.. if you'd do this job for $42 for aetna, why are you asking me for $150? It's obvious Gary has not been to the doctor in a while.. now the ratio is Aetna $42, individual $736.. On Friday, April 4, 2014 7:26 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Richard wrote: The thing I don't get is that this 'mentality' protects the folks who can afford healthcare insurance ( wealthier ) while shafting the poor... The poor cannot be taken to court for non payment, can they? If a poor person files as bankrupt and there are no assets, what can be taken? Bankrupt is supposed to take value from the poor to pay for debt but if there are no assets the debt goes unpaid, hence, perhaps the poor are better off for hospital-care? Bankruptcy cannot leave a person destitute at the street in the gutter, can it? Doesn't bankruptcy allow a person to be left with a modicum of day to day living essentials? Thanks barrister Randy and barrister Grant. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15?
Didn't 126 series also have 15 wheels? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net Sent: April 4, 2014 9:56:52 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15? All the bundts I have seen ARE 14. I have several in my basement. YMMV.. W116 6.9 came with 15. Those are the only ones I know of, and obviously about as rare as W116 parts cars with M100 engines. (well, about 1/5 as rare, if most of the parts cars have five wheels) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 14 or 15?
Didn't 126 series also have 15 wheels? After they quit putting bundts on them. Both of my W201s have 15 on them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
On 4/4/2014 7:23 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:14:03 -0500 From: maontin@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? There are no skilled jobs available anymore. I have to call BS on that one. That is why MSM also tells us that 100k student debt kids are doing barista work or asking if you want fries Because they have LIBERAL ARTS DEGREES. I am busy right now. I will post more help wanted for electricians, mechanical maintenance, ect. in the Chicago-land area if you like, later. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=electrical+maintenancel=Chicago%2C+IL http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=mechanical+maintenancel=Chicago%2C+IL Just for you... http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=autocad+drafterl=Chicago%2C+IL Rick ___ In my humble opinion Mao may be clinically depressed, which is very common among people who have lost their jobs. They don't go out and interview for jobs because of their depressed state. Mao's depressing philosophy of life that older workers should leave the world for younger workers is another possible symptom of depression. The only thing that a person on one of these lists can do to help another person with similar problems is to tell them where they can get help. Here is a suggestion for people with problems such as clinical depression: http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-per-city.asp http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/index.asp http://www.lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/meetings-what-happens.asp If you don't take advantage of Recovery-Inc now, Mao, keep the addresses/telephone numbers in case you do later or write me offline. Recovery-Inc began in 1937, there are weekly meetings in every state, and it's spread to other countries. It works. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Non-payment of child support is taken far more seriously than non-payment of ordinary debt, and most states that I know of will jail a person for that and then release them after a variable length of time. I knew a retired sailor living in Florida that California was trying to find and jail for non-support of his grown daughter. He had never made support payments and his debt was in the thousands. Gerry On 4/4/2014 10:14 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA wrote: I know somebody who is in 'debtors prison' in Battle Creek Michigan as I type this. They transported him about 150 miles after having him arrested on a warrant for being behind in child support for his now 31 year old son. He claims they intend to shove him out the door in Battle Creek in another month instead of putting him back where they found him. Or he can pay them the $500 they want and they'll shove him out the door today. They've had him in jail since Feb 13th, so even if he could come up with the $500 they'd lose money on the deal. He wants me to loan him $500. I don't give in to ransom demands of terrorists and kidnappers, it just encourages them to do it more. Locking up an indigent man for being permanently indigent is just incredibly stupid. Mitch. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
