Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Punch in Reid behind BLM raid on Bing, or go to:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Reid+behind+blm+raidqs=nform=QBLHpq=reid+behind+blm+raidsc=0-12sp=-1sk=cvid=015aa43f0aef4d3eacdc80b5c56220be
BLM trying to sell branded cattle illegally by crossing state lines.
That would land anyone else in prison.
See this quoted letter:
Begin quote:
A Rancher TELLS ALL:
B Hunt wrote:
I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the
Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son
Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.
The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle
markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle
without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot
obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of
the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock
Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according
to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in
and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the
legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require
Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be
imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership
over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700
estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM
officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly
shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to
private buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired
to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah
(traitors one and all).
From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and
Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy
failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and
would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of
Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably
be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this
action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for
water and has had multiple attempts to buy water-through eminent
domain from Utah farmers and ranchers-from Utah, which were all
blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances
are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that
they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are
trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water
beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried
to do to Wayne Hage).
Now, for Cliven Bundy, he's not fighting this for his cattle or his
own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this
fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to
wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also
to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their
own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut
down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers,
farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for
positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all
the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including
camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating,
shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder
regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment,
or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in
perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to
the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)
Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be
able to raise the appropriate resistance.
End Quote
From:
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2014/04/us-gov-blm-back-down-from-starting-a-shooting-war-in-nevada-re-harry-reid-land-deals-with-china.html
This letter is near the bottom.
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Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Just watch 40 seconds of Lame Stream Media reporting on the end of the great standoff. One of the items reported was that several state legislatures are already submitting bills to keep exactly this sort of thing from being repeated. As reported here by another poster, some indication is given that this may involve Senator Reid, via some convoluted use of a government agency, to support something which he is a stakeholder in. Just like any other citizen, Reid, is innocent until proven guilty, however, charges are already being made which could result in proof of such guilt. The facts mam, Just the facts Any time there is a land grab in NV, dirty harry and his family is generally involved one way or another. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Model B52 RC Flight
From Chuck L. This is a great flying model. looks and sounds realistic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbITzCI2AU0 HI! This a few years old, but wonderful that some guys in UK could build and fly this... Enjoy! Chuck ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
dirty harry working for the chinese: Dirty Harry/BLM are enforcing for the chinese http://akeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2014/04/china-solar-project-behind-bundy-ranch.html#.U0pVACj4Duc for those who don't like that source, there are plenty more. BLM even reported it on their own website, but then took down the truth. http://www.libertyfederation.com/breaking_sen_harry_reid_behind_blm_land_grab_of_bundy_ranch or http://thatrandomcandidate.com/2014/04/12/sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/ or http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2014/04/sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of.html or http://im41.com/archives/49379 or http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/bombshell-senator-harry-reid-is-behind-nevada-bundy-ranch-land-grab/ or http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2014/04/range-war-nevada-rancher-given-reprieve-after-disclosure-of-harry-reids-business-dealings.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!
That's what it looks like. I'm taking one to MB of Tampa this week to get their opinion. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: so the mb tech sent you indian fakes? On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: No. It came from a guy on Benzworld who is an MB tech in Ft. Lauderdale. I don't know when he got them. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: this came from a authorized benz dealer?? On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 4:44 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 4/12/2014 1:00 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: On a related note, there has been a thread on Benzworld of late about bogus MB filters coming out of India. There are some sellers on eBay moving these for considerably less than an OE filter, despite them looking exactly like OE, right down to the box. Uh, oh! A California dealer sold me a dozen 123 turbo oil filters made in India a number of years ago. I bounced the filter on both ends as I usually to do and small pieces of what looked like wood came out. I called the seller who denied there was anything wrong. I told her to pull some of the filters out of their stock, bounce them, and see if the same kind of debris appears. She did, found debris, and told me to return the filters. Been using German filters ever since. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
My 1985 300TD may have incorrect (sedan/coupe) rear springs due to a previous owner wanting to disconnect the SLS. This could have been part of the conversion to conventional suspension, using Bilstein rear shocks. After purchasing the vehicle, I swapped out the rear shocks for rear struts, installed new accumulators (air cells), and reconnected the SLS. Now I am wondering why the rear is quite bouncy, so bad enough that I can't pass MD inspection the way it is. I have no paperwork for the original suspension conversion. Ideas on where to go from here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
Twice the spring rate would indeed make it rather bouncy, eh? One thing to check, which is easy -- with the car parked, engine off, can you bounce the suspension by applying significant weight to the rear bumper (or by standing on the rear with the tailgate open)? If not, the SLS is not connected up properly, the accumulators are dead, or the lines are blocked. Check for crimped metal lines, you never know what people are up to, and verify that the control valve is working. Dead accumulators make the suspension immobile -- the only thing that can move is the tire sidewalls. VERY bouncy ride, as in the tires leave the ground a lot. This was the condition my TE is was in when I bought it, and it only took an hour or so to fix. I assume you bought new accumulators, but if they were NOS, they could have been dead when you installed them. If the rear suspension is just very stiff and not locked up, or doesn't have full movement, then yes, you should change the springs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
Thanks, Peter. The rear is EXCESSIVELY bouncy, using my weight on the rear bumper. It takes quite a while to settle after I bounce it up and down. Could incorrect springs be the cause of this abnormality? On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Twice the spring rate would indeed make it rather bouncy, eh? One thing to check, which is easy -- with the car parked, engine off, can you bounce the suspension by applying significant weight to the rear bumper (or by standing on the rear with the tailgate open)? If not, the SLS is not connected up properly, the accumulators are dead, or the lines are blocked. Check for crimped metal lines, you never know what people are up to, and verify that the control valve is working. Dead accumulators make the suspension immobile -- the only thing that can move is the tire sidewalls. VERY bouncy ride, as in the tires leave the ground a lot. This was the condition my TE is was in when I bought it, and it only took an hour or so to fix. I assume you bought new accumulators, but if they were NOS, they could have been dead when you installed them. If the rear suspension is just very stiff and not locked up, or doesn't have full movement, then yes, you should change the springs. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
More likely air in the SLS -- the damping is provided by the restriction of fluid flow through the system. Does it actually self level? Load up the rear so it sags down with the engine off and see if it pumps up to level when you start. A couple adults should be enough. Again, kinked or blocked lines will cause this, I think. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
It would be hard to damage the turbo internals in an engine swap unless something got in there and buggered it. --R On 4/12/14 11:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It would be hard to damage the turbo internals in an engine swap unless something got in there and buggered it. --R On 4/12/14 11:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
I would. Most o the engine serial numbers are pretty tough to get to. Feign ignorance. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
They had to bleed the system when installing the struts so I doubt the line is kinked. What would be the effect of longer/shorter springs than spec.? On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: More likely air in the SLS -- the damping is provided by the restriction of fluid flow through the system. Does it actually self level? Load up the rear so it sags down with the engine off and see if it pumps up to level when you start. A couple adults should be enough. Again, kinked or blocked lines will cause this, I think. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD
I could be blacklisted from their Roadside Assistance program... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I would. Most o the engine serial numbers are pretty tough to get to. Feign ignorance. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD
And that's an issue? If so, buy a AAA membership. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I could be blacklisted from their Roadside Assistance program... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I would. Most o the engine serial numbers are pretty tough to get to. Feign ignorance. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Oil Extraction Product Review
Just thought I would share my experiences with something that might be of benefit to the group: I have really wanted to get back to the top side oil change method since I got back into the MB club. I have two old Topsiders, but in one of the last moves we made the pump parts disappeared, leaving me with nothing but the tanks. I was at Lowe's one day, passing through the section with all the small engine parts, and I saw a vacuum oil extractor that looked really nice but it only held four quarts. I did some research and found that the same company makes a larger model that holds eight quarts: http://www.liquivac.com/models/ With my recent run-in with Amazon I had one of these on order, but I cancelled it and ended up buying it directly from the manufacturer. It was the same price with free shipping - around $47.00, cheaper than a Topsider. I did an oil and filter change on the SL500 this morning. Following their instructions of 40-50 pumps and running the engine for approximately 2 minutes to get the oil just slightly warm, it pulled seven quarts of oil out of the engine in under 15 minutes. It did not require additional pumping during the extraction, either. I really like this product for a number of reasons, comparing it with the Topsider: Plastic one piece construction - the Topsider has the pump, two lids, etc., and the tanks will leak around the bottom seams after a few years. Don't ask me how I know this Smaller than the Topsider No external parts to deal with other than the hose, which is easy to remove (Topsider has the pump that needs to be removed to store it) All in all, I'm very pleased with this and would highly recommend it if you're looking for an oil extraction unit. Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD
That was a joke. They only offer free RA to owners who spend at least $100 annually at the local dealership. That leaves me out... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: And that's an issue? If so, buy a AAA membership. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I could be blacklisted from their Roadside Assistance program... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I would. Most o the engine serial numbers are pretty tough to get to. Feign ignorance. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Question, is Public Land and Government Owned Land the same thing? Google says the % of western land owned by the govt is 30% which, IMO, should wave red flags in front of very citizen. All of the land in this great country should belong to the citizens. Check out this map: http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us Thoughts? Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 11:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Since we are re-trying this case in the High Court of Public Opinion... Please show cause for BLM to cancel the long standing lease with Mr. Bundy. Further, show cause for the use of armed violence against his children and cruel treatment of the animals grazing on the land, which is Open Range, Cows can't read and don't care about land ownership [there is ample historical evidence of this]. They simply follow food. While your claim that the land is public land has standing, if you have ever eaten western ranch beef, which is very likely, said beef was raised eating grass from BLM public land which kept the cost per pound of production of that beef low enough for you to afford to eat beef. Thus, by tacit approval by eating beef, you contribute to the root premise that use of public lands to graze beef is valid and highest use of said lands, and not theft. That principle is further supported by published BLM policy and the continuation of thousands of leases. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? Consider this premise. You have a cow. You neighbor has grass on his land and no fence. Your cow goes to eat said grass. You send your sons to go recover the cow. The neighbor [federal agents in this instance] shoot your son with a taser and tie him up. The neighbor then hires armed men to keep you or your family from recovering the cow. Your neighbor then drives the cow, with her newborn calf, in high heat, without water, with a helicopter, until said cow dies from exhaustion. Make that not one cow, but many cows, which you rely upon for your income, your families income and well being. Getting comfortable yet? Make you love your government yet? Is this neighbor acting in good faith? If it were your children being shot and abused and bound and your business assets being driven to death by exhaustion, what would be your response? Would you object? If so, how? I wager freely the true dollar cost of 20 years lease of this piece of BLM land is many times less than one trip to Spain or Africa by the first lady and her entourage. Or any of the other many vacations and outings... by comparative.. is this use of public property and funds also theft? Where is the standard of judgement drawn? Respectfully, Grant.. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? The answer is: Dirty harry wants the land for his chicom general buddies. Dirty harry needs to be recalled/replaced. At least don't vote for jackass senators so dirty harry won't be in a senate leadership position. The other answers are NO and NO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
Thanks Wilton! Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 9:08 PM, WILTON wrote: I did NOT disconnect speedo cable at tranny; only loosened the clip on the steering column down low in the flootwell to give it some slack; 'had no problem then with pulling the instrument cluster out far enough to disconnect/connect the cable and wires behind the cluster. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking Thanks Peter - That video Hendrik provided gives a pretty good idea of the work involved! If i can just find a way work as fast as that guy in the video it won't be bad! ;-) Like Hendrik i have also been gathering the PDFs putting them into a notebook. I am also printing some of the photos which show me exactly what to look for as i remove the bits pieces. I still have not found a pdf telling how to RR the glove box so hopefully it'll be intuitive. OK - when the instrument cluster is removed the WSM states the speedo cable must be disconnected at the tranny. I have never disconnected one on a W124 but I keep thinking it may be a CYA exercise but then again, if I must disconnect it I need to be ready and get it over with. Has anyone left it connected without any problem? Also, Wilton's write up is very well done but it is for an '87 W124. Does anyone know how much difference there is between an 87 and a 91? Can I assume the differences between the 87 and 91 evap RR are mostly cosmetic? This weekend I will order the parts and plan, plan, plan - as wilton said - it's the best way. Back when I worked, I was a planner for construction projects like nuclear power stations and refineries so this kind of complex project is just the thing to get me going again! :-) Thanks again for all the help from all who replied. ;-) Sincerely, Larry T 91 300D 2.5 On 4/11/2014 9:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Yes, the expansion valve is in the engine compartment. If the new evaporator leaks you have a problem, but otherwise any leaks are in the engine compartment. I would flush the rest of the system and covert it to PAG oil (dump the compressor out and add 120 mL PAG oil), add 2 oz of oil for the now fairly clean condenser, and replace ALL the o-rings. These are the most like sources of leaks and by now are in poor shape. You should consider replacing the short line between the condenser and the receiver/dryer as well as these are the most likely to leak in my experience. And have the shop install a new receiver/dryer immediately prior to charging. Saves all sorts of problems. With a clean condenser and a proper charge the AC will work just fine on R134a -- they came filled with it after 1992 anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
Thanks Peter -- I have watched the video of the project and think it is well within my abilities. I plan to order the parts and get the big garage organized with places to put everything. Thanks again for all your help... Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 8:15 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: If you don't at least loosen the cable clamp at the footwell, you will kink the cable and have a bouncing speedo needle and no cruise control (can't lock on a wobbly signal). I have a wobbly needle from the transplants I've done, probably should get a new cable. The parts are identical (same numbers) but the interior trim may be a bit different. None of it is really hard, just fiddly and don't lose or break anything. Practice helps enormously, but I don't intend to get enough to get good at it! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
The springs for the SLS are weaker than standard springs, so they will be too stiff if replaced with sedan springs. I don't know how much difference though. If the suspension moves properly, most likely they are too hard. Don't forget that a small leak will result in a system full of air. Check the fluid level. You get a whine from the SLS pump if it's low, as a general rule. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Government land and public owned are the same thing. Held it trust by the Federal Government for public use. That does NOT mean you can do whatever you want with it because you are part of the public, a point that many people choose to confuse. The Interior Department sets rules for use, including no access if appropriate. In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use, and has refused to pay lease payments, which are REQUIRED BY LAW in order to run cattle on the land. This has been true since before he was there, it was never free range in that you could do anything you wanted. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Go for it! On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Question, is Public Land and Government Owned Land the same thing? Google says the % of western land owned by the govt is 30% which, IMO, should wave red flags in front of very citizen. All of the land in this great country should belong to the citizens. Check out this map: http://bigthink.com/strange- maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us Thoughts? Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 11:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Since we are re-trying this case in the High Court of Public Opinion... Please show cause for BLM to cancel the long standing lease with Mr. Bundy. Further, show cause for the use of armed violence against his children and cruel treatment of the animals grazing on the land, which is Open Range, Cows can't read and don't care about land ownership [there is ample historical evidence of this]. They simply follow food. While your claim that the land is public land has standing, if you have ever eaten western ranch beef, which is very likely, said beef was raised eating grass from BLM public land which kept the cost per pound of production of that beef low enough for you to afford to eat beef. Thus, by tacit approval by eating beef, you contribute to the root premise that use of public lands to graze beef is valid and highest use of said lands, and not theft. That principle is further supported by published BLM policy and the continuation of thousands of leases. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? Consider this premise. You have a cow. You neighbor has grass on his land and no fence. Your cow goes to eat said grass. You send your sons to go recover the cow. The neighbor [federal agents in this instance] shoot your son with a taser and tie him up. The neighbor then hires armed men to keep you or your family from recovering the cow. Your neighbor then drives the cow, with her newborn calf, in high heat, without water, with a helicopter, until said cow dies from exhaustion. Make that not one cow, but many cows, which you rely upon for your income, your families income and well being. Getting comfortable yet? Make you love your government yet? Is this neighbor acting in good faith? If it were your children being shot and abused and bound and your business assets being driven to death by exhaustion, what would be your response? Would you object? If so, how? I wager freely the true dollar cost of 20 years lease of this piece of BLM land is many times less than one trip to Spain or Africa by the first lady and her entourage. Or any of the other many vacations and outings... by comparative.. is this use of public property and funds also theft? Where is the standard of judgement drawn? Respectfully, Grant.. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? The answer is: Dirty harry wants the land for his chicom general buddies. Dirty harry needs to be recalled/replaced. At least don't vote for jackass senators so dirty harry won't be in a senate leadership position. The other answers are NO and NO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
As I said, it's not difficult. Some contortion required, of course, as is always the case, and my friend no longer does them (this was a common job back in the day, failure rate was 15% by the factory, more like 30% in reality as most people who replace them do not use the dealer -- $3000 plus parts means they drive around with no AC. Plan on plenty of time Worse part of the job is getting the heater box in and out, you have to hook the evaporator tubing through a hole in a fairly peculiar way, else it just won't go. Good luck -- as I said, I've got to find some $ and get servos and a three day weekend, I'd like to have ACC in the diesel again. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
Each spring has the part number stamped on the spring, at one end or the other. The springs would need to be removed from the car to read the part number. You may need a wire brush to remove dirt, rust, etc to be able to read the number. I like Peter's idea about air in the system. Loosen the hydraulic connection at the top of each strut to purge the air. This method is the best way to remove air, that connection is pretty much the high point in the system, and also where the valve in the strut is supposed to provide the damping action. If that valve is air-bound, no damping, which seems to be what you're describing. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: April 13, 2014 8:37:36 AM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff? My 1985 300TD may have incorrect (sedan/coupe) rear springs due to a previous owner wanting to disconnect the SLS. This could have been part of the conversion to conventional suspension, using Bilstein rear shocks. After purchasing the vehicle, I swapped out the rear shocks for rear struts, installed new accumulators (air cells), and reconnected the SLS. Now I am wondering why the rear is quite bouncy, so bad enough that I can't pass MD inspection the way it is. I have no paperwork for the original suspension conversion. Ideas on where to go from here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
I fixed a pinhol leak last year. Reservoir is full. So if the springs are stronger than they should be, does this mean a less or more bouncy ride? Or is this irrelevant to my problem? On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: The springs for the SLS are weaker than standard springs, so they will be too stiff if replaced with sedan springs. I don't know how much difference though. If the suspension moves properly, most likely they are too hard. Don't forget that a small leak will result in a system full of air. Check the fluid level. You get a whine from the SLS pump if it's low, as a general rule. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
Thanks Peter -- I have watched the video of the project and think it is well within my abilities. I plan to order the parts and get the big garage organized with places to put everything. Thanks again for all your help... Sincerely, Larry To me it seems like putting sets of fasteners and parts in containers, then labelling and sequence numbering the containers would make sense for this project. Assembly should be in reverse order. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W124 Dash Speaker
Anybody got one they want to get rid of. In working condition, of course. Eldest son's W124 has a wonky right front speaker. It works, but intermittently. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
BTW, I think the book also talks about removing the steering wheel in order to remove the instrument cluster. I was able to run the adjustable steering column fully out/extended with the wheel spoke horizontal (wheels straight ahead) to provide plenty of room for the cluster removal. The video shows the tech detaching the steering column and swinging it downward - this certainly was not necessary for me. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking Thanks Wilton! Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 9:08 PM, WILTON wrote: I did NOT disconnect speedo cable at tranny; only loosened the clip on the steering column down low in the flootwell to give it some slack; 'had no problem then with pulling the instrument cluster out far enough to disconnect/connect the cable and wires behind the cluster. Wilton - Original Message - From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking Thanks Peter - That video Hendrik provided gives a pretty good idea of the work involved! If i can just find a way work as fast as that guy in the video it won't be bad! ;-) Like Hendrik i have also been gathering the PDFs putting them into a notebook. I am also printing some of the photos which show me exactly what to look for as i remove the bits pieces. I still have not found a pdf telling how to RR the glove box so hopefully it'll be intuitive. OK - when the instrument cluster is removed the WSM states the speedo cable must be disconnected at the tranny. I have never disconnected one on a W124 but I keep thinking it may be a CYA exercise but then again, if I must disconnect it I need to be ready and get it over with. Has anyone left it connected without any problem? Also, Wilton's write up is very well done but it is for an '87 W124. Does anyone know how much difference there is between an 87 and a 91? Can I assume the differences between the 87 and 91 evap RR are mostly cosmetic? This weekend I will order the parts and plan, plan, plan - as wilton said - it's the best way. Back when I worked, I was a planner for construction projects like nuclear power stations and refineries so this kind of complex project is just the thing to get me going again! :-) Thanks again for all the help from all who replied. ;-) Sincerely, Larry T 91 300D 2.5 On 4/11/2014 9:01 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Yes, the expansion valve is in the engine compartment. If the new evaporator leaks you have a problem, but otherwise any leaks are in the engine compartment. I would flush the rest of the system and covert it to PAG oil (dump the compressor out and add 120 mL PAG oil), add 2 oz of oil for the now fairly clean condenser, and replace ALL the o-rings. These are the most like sources of leaks and by now are in poor shape. You should consider replacing the short line between the condenser and the receiver/dryer as well as these are the most likely to leak in my experience. And have the shop install a new receiver/dryer immediately prior to charging. Saves all sorts of problems. With a clean condenser and a proper charge the AC will work just fine on R134a -- they came filled with it after 1992 anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
'Worked well for me; 'thought I was gonna have more baggies, though; used only 4 to 6 or so. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking Thanks Peter -- I have watched the video of the project and think it is well within my abilities. I plan to order the parts and get the big garage organized with places to put everything. Thanks again for all your help... Sincerely, Larry To me it seems like putting sets of fasteners and parts in containers, then labelling and sequence numbering the containers would make sense for this project. Assembly should be in reverse order. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Oil Extraction Product Review
Every one of those vacuum deals I have seen says to pump it like you say, but I have always had to keep pumping it during the extraction. The one I have been using is called suck up I believe and it is no better. What I ended up doing was discovering the drain hole in the top of the tank is the perfect size to fit the nozzle of shop vac over snug, so I do that, fire up the shop vac and let it go, no pumping required. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Just thought I would share my experiences with something that might be of benefit to the group: I have really wanted to get back to the top side oil change method since I got back into the MB club. I have two old Topsiders, but in one of the last moves we made the pump parts disappeared, leaving me with nothing but the tanks. I was at Lowe's one day, passing through the section with all the small engine parts, and I saw a vacuum oil extractor that looked really nice but it only held four quarts. I did some research and found that the same company makes a larger model that holds eight quarts: http://www.liquivac.com/models/ With my recent run-in with Amazon I had one of these on order, but I cancelled it and ended up buying it directly from the manufacturer. It was the same price with free shipping - around $47.00, cheaper than a Topsider. I did an oil and filter change on the SL500 this morning. Following their instructions of 40-50 pumps and running the engine for approximately 2 minutes to get the oil just slightly warm, it pulled seven quarts of oil out of the engine in under 15 minutes. It did not require additional pumping during the extraction, either. I really like this product for a number of reasons, comparing it with the Topsider: Plastic one piece construction - the Topsider has the pump, two lids, etc., and the tanks will leak around the bottom seams after a few years. Don't ask me how I know this Smaller than the Topsider No external parts to deal with other than the hose, which is easy to remove (Topsider has the pump that needs to be removed to store it) All in all, I'm very pleased with this and would highly recommend it if you're looking for an oil extraction unit. Dan/Martha ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Dash Speaker
Most likely not the speaker but the wiring, amps if it has them, or the radio or fader switch if equipped Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Anybody got one they want to get rid of. In working condition, of course. Eldest son's W124 has a wonky right front speaker. It works, but intermittently. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Dash Speaker
All aftermarket other than the wiring. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Most likely not the speaker but the wiring, amps if it has them, or the radio or fader switch if equipped Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Anybody got one they want to get rid of. In working condition, of course. Eldest son's W124 has a wonky right front speaker. It works, but intermittently. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!
wow. that's some strange stuff it would be a lot more shocking if the dealership sold it and not some skeevy employee acting on his own On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That's what it looks like. I'm taking one to MB of Tampa this week to get their opinion. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: so the mb tech sent you indian fakes? On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: No. It came from a guy on Benzworld who is an MB tech in Ft. Lauderdale. I don't know when he got them. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: this came from a authorized benz dealer?? On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 4:44 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: On 4/12/2014 1:00 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: On a related note, there has been a thread on Benzworld of late about bogus MB filters coming out of India. There are some sellers on eBay moving these for considerably less than an OE filter, despite them looking exactly like OE, right down to the box. Uh, oh! A California dealer sold me a dozen 123 turbo oil filters made in India a number of years ago. I bounced the filter on both ends as I usually to do and small pieces of what looked like wood came out. I called the seller who denied there was anything wrong. I told her to pull some of the filters out of their stock, bounce them, and see if the same kind of debris appears. She did, found debris, and told me to return the filters. Been using German filters ever since. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Dash Speaker
sounds like a loose wire then. On 4/13/2014 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: All aftermarket other than the wiring. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Most likely not the speaker but the wiring, amps if it has them, or the radio or fader switch if equipped Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Anybody got one they want to get rid of. In working condition, of course. Eldest son's W124 has a wonky right front speaker. It works, but intermittently. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!
He's not an MB dealer employee that I know of - he's an MB certified tech, I believe. I'm a little pissed that he sold this shit, since people base decisions on what they see and read. Sort of trashes any semblance of integrity the guy had. On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: wow. that's some strange stuff it would be a lot more shocking if the dealership sold it and not some skeevy employee acting on his own On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That's what it looks like. I'm taking one to MB of Tampa this week to get their opinion. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!
ah, so he's just some guy selling some fake indian filters. doesn't seem like news to me in today's day and age On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: He's not an MB dealer employee that I know of - he's an MB certified tech, I believe. I'm a little pissed that he sold this shit, since people base decisions on what they see and read. Sort of trashes any semblance of integrity the guy had. On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: wow. that's some strange stuff it would be a lot more shocking if the dealership sold it and not some skeevy employee acting on his own On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That's what it looks like. I'm taking one to MB of Tampa this week to get their opinion. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!
It remains to be seen if they are fakes or knockoffs. I'll let the dealer decide that when I show one to them this week. Understand that a lot of manufacturers outsource their products. Mahle, Hengst and others manufacture filters all over the place, but just because a filter is made in Spain instead of Austria doesn't mean it's any better or worse. More as I know it. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: ah, so he's just some guy selling some fake indian filters. doesn't seem like news to me in today's day and age ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
Bouncy ride is due to a lack of damping action, not spring rate. I don't know anything about the SLS other than what I've read here, but what you are describing sounds like bad or missing shocks, not wrong springs. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I fixed a pinhol leak last year. Reservoir is full. So if the springs are stronger than they should be, does this mean a less or more bouncy ride? Or is this irrelevant to my problem? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
Bleed the system using the bleed valve on the level controller. The air won't easily work itself out. On Apr 13, 2014, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Peter. The rear is EXCESSIVELY bouncy, using my weight on the rear bumper. It takes quite a while to settle after I bounce it up and down. Could incorrect springs be the cause of this abnormality? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
Also, when you open the bleed valve the car should drop an inch or so. If after a thorough bleeding that car does NOT drop upon opening the valve, then you have a defective base pressure valve inside the level controller. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
Plenty of room to lay the parts out in order helps too -- there are LOTS of parts in there Watch that you do not gouge the speakers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!
Is his name Trent? --R On 4/13/14 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: It remains to be seen if they are fakes or knockoffs. I'll let the dealer decide that when I show one to them this week. Understand that a lot of manufacturers outsource their products. Mahle, Hengst and others manufacture filters all over the place, but just because a filter is made in Spain instead of Austria doesn't mean it's any better or worse. More as I know it. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: ah, so he's just some guy selling some fake indian filters. doesn't seem like news to me in today's day and age ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking Plenty of room to lay the parts out in order helps too -- there are LOTS of parts in there Watch that you do not gouge the speakers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!
Uh oh! Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] PARTS Is his name Trent? --R On 4/13/14 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: It remains to be seen if they are fakes or knockoffs. I'll let the dealer decide that when I show one to them this week. Understand that a lot of manufacturers outsource their products. Mahle, Hengst and others manufacture filters all over the place, but just because a filter is made in Spain instead of Austria doesn't mean it's any better or worse. More as I know it. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: ah, so he's just some guy selling some fake indian filters. doesn't seem like news to me in today's day and age ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!
obviously not as he received something, just not what he may have been promised. another name might fit that description better, but it eludes me at the moment my bet is dan got sold misrepresented merchandise. he is correct in saying we ought to wait for an expert opinion from his dealer On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Is his name Trent? --R On 4/13/14 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: It remains to be seen if they are fakes or knockoffs. I'll let the dealer decide that when I show one to them this week. Understand that a lot of manufacturers outsource their products. Mahle, Hengst and others manufacture filters all over the place, but just because a filter is made in Spain instead of Austria doesn't mean it's any better or worse. More as I know it. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: ah, so he's just some guy selling some fake indian filters. doesn't seem like news to me in today's day and age ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
Thanks Guys! Sincerely, Larry On 4/13/2014 12:19 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking Plenty of room to lay the parts out in order helps too -- there are LOTS of parts in there Watch that you do not gouge the speakers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use... Think of it as the fifth generation of Cartwrights. Ben as first generation, Adam, Hoss and Joe as second generation. Current occupants fifth and sixth generations. Now, Ben was grazing the land before Nevada was a state; long before there was a BLM. The family rights precede BLM. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] VERY OT OT OT OT DELETE BEFORE READING Re: (sorta) black helicopters and Gummit corruption
YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining
I sent a bunch of info related to turbos, rebuilding, sources of parts and expertise to a list member offlist. Anyone here want the stuff while it is fresh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD
It used to be really free. I had them come for my 79 240D in 2004 and I was the nth owner. They did try to sell me a battery though. On Apr 13, 2014 10:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That was a joke. They only offer free RA to owners who spend at least $100 annually at the local dealership. That leaves me out... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: And that's an issue? If so, buy a AAA membership. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I could be blacklisted from their Roadside Assistance program... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I would. Most o the engine serial numbers are pretty tough to get to. Feign ignorance. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] POLITICS
This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining
Dieselhead. Please may I have a copy, too?  Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining I sent a bunch of info related to turbos, rebuilding, sources of parts and expertise to a list member offlist. Anyone here want the stuff while it is fresh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
We could have lots of fun discussing this on banned. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
hurrah for poos! On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
nobody wants to go to banned to listen to toad talk about the unique aroma of linberger fart and ammonia On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: We could have lots of fun discussing this on banned. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
why would you give them a VIN that's different than the one they can see on the chassis? that would seem to invite questions... i'd have them check the one on the car, not the motor, especially if you don't know if either was ever part of the Campaign. cheers! e On 13/Apr/14 06:39, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It would be hard to damage the turbo internals in an engine swap unless something got in there and buggered it. --R On 4/12/14 11:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of
Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD
sorry, i missed the answer to my question, so here it is in a slightly different form: have you *asked* the dealer? as an aside, i find it unlikely that any of the parts in question could have been affected with the issue you're trying to address with an engine swap. cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 20:56, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
I did most of this job on a 126 until I gave up and jury-rigged a string to hold the floor vents open during the winter. I can't comment on the 124 (although the video mage it look a little easier than the 126) but I encountered multiple types and sizes of fasteners. For the most part, I stored these screws, clips, etc. by just threading them partially back into the hole they came out of. I found one of those magnetic parts dishes useful because they don't lose the parts when you accidentally kick the dish while crawling upside down under the dash. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking Plenty of room to lay the parts out in order helps too -- there are LOTS of parts in there Watch that you do not gouge the speakers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
I bought one of those magnetic parts dishes at the local HF store a while back when they had them for cheap(er). It has saved my bottom more than once since. Now if they could only make one that worked with aluminum fasteners. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: I did most of this job on a 126 until I gave up and jury-rigged a string to hold the floor vents open during the winter. I can't comment on the 124 (although the video mage it look a little easier than the 126) but I encountered multiple types and sizes of fasteners. For the most part, I stored these screws, clips, etc. by just threading them partially back into the hole they came out of. I found one of those magnetic parts dishes useful because they don't lose the parts when you accidentally kick the dish while crawling upside down under the dash. Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
You mean we can't even post legitimate news sources about solar manufacturing plants and solar farms that will provide electricity for our electric Mercedes? For example, here's such a story from Reuters: (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Harry Reid recognized nine years ago that connections between his official duties and the lobbying activities of his relatives could lead to ethical questions. In 2003, the Nevada Democrat publicly banned relatives from lobbying him or his staff after newspaper reports showed that Nevada industries and institutions routinely turned to Reid's sons or son-in-law for representation. Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert. Reid has been one of the project's most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China http://www.reuters.com/places/china?lc=int_mb_1001 and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission. Craig Holman, a lobbyist for the non-partisan advocacy group Public Citizen, said the senator is dealing with an iffy ethical landscape because of the family connections and should recuse himself from the project. Is this just happening because ... it benefits the Reid family, or did Harry Reid actually believe in this? Holman said. The senator has supported numerous clean energy projects in Nevada. Rory Reid cites energy as one of his specialty areas at the law firm. The two Reids deny discussing the ENN project. I have never discussed the project with my father or his staff, said Rory Reid. Kristen Orthman, a spokeswoman for the senator, said he had not discussed the project with his son. The Langfang, China-based ENN Energy Group hopes to build what would be the largest solar energy complex in America. The site chosen with Rory Reid's guidance is in tiny Laughlin, Nevada, a gambling town of 7,300 along the Colorado River, 90 miles south of Las Vegas. County officials have said that they were so thrilled to recruit a company to the area, with the prospect of thousands of new local jobs, that they were eager to negotiate. ENN is headed by Chinese energy tycoon Wang Yusuo, who made a fortune estimated by Forbes at $2.2 billion distributing natural gas http://www.reuters.com/sectors/industries/overview?industryCode=185lc=int_mb_1001 in China http://www.reuters.com/places/china?lc=int_mb_1001. Wang escorted Reid and a delegation of nine other U.S. senators on a tour of the company's clean energy operations in Langfang, and Reid featured Wang as a speaker at his 4th annual National Clean Energy Summit in Las Vegas last year. NEVADA'S LARGEST LAW FIRM To advance the Nevada project, ENN retained the state's largest and most prestigious law firm - Lionel Sawyer Collins, where Rory Reid works. It is headed by Richard Bryan, a former Nevada attorney general, governor and member of the U.S. Senate. Rory Reid faced a one-year cooling off period from lobbying the Clark County commission after leaving his post in January 2011, and Bryan took the lead on ENN's negotiations with the county. Since the one-year ban expired, Rory Reid has been ENN's primary representative before the county, according to Steve Sisolak, the board's vice chairman. Rory Reid acknowledged representing ENN at both the county and state levels since January. He declined to discuss the project otherwise. Two months after Harry Reid's China trip, Lionel Sawyer registered ENN Mohave Energy LLC as an American subsidiary of the Chinese company. The firm negotiated with the county to buy the land rather than lease it, as the county's staff had recommended. In December, Clark County commissioners voted unanimously to sell up to 9,000 acres of public land to the subsidiary at pennies on the dollar. The deal spurred local controversy. Separate appraisals valued the land at $29.6 million and $38.6 million. The commission agreed to sell it to ENN for $4.5 million. The county did build in certain conditions before the project could begin, including milestones for jobs creation and investment. ENN also must assure the county that it has a power company willing to commit to buying energy from the solar farm. But in the eight months since the commissioners approved the deal, no utility has signed a power purchase agreement. However, Harry Reid stepped up again. The Democrat recently used an online discussion related to his annual energy summit for an as-yet
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
Well, le'me see'f there's one ya haven't seen. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] POLITICS This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Feel Good Video
This should warm the cockles of a few hearts. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=464372510267787 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Was POLITICS, now Sondy Tale
Well, this is not much; not sure if ya've seen it before; if so, please pardon the redundancy. TOUGHER THAN YOU THOUGHT While I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, in 1978, I talked on the phone several times with BGen. Paulk at HQ in Co. Springs; also visited with 'im at least 3 times, twice in Co. Springs and once at Sondy. On one of my trips to Co. Springs, Gen Paulk and I noticed each other as we were getting on an airplane at Denver. Gen. Paulk talked to stewardess, who got guy in seat beside him to switch with me. As we were arriving at Co. Springs, Gen. Paulk inquired of me, Wilt, do you have a ride to your hotel? I responded, No, Sir, but I'm picking up an Air Force car at Peterson AFB Motor Pool. He replied, Ride with me, then, I'll drop you off. While The Gen. and I were waiting for our bags, a mighty fine-looking, young blond female captain (in civilian clothes) I had known in the B-52 unit in Michigan three or four years before came running toward me squealing, Wilton! Wilton! Gen. Paulk and I were in uniform, but the fine-looking captain and I hugged enthusiastically, and chatted a bit, and, as our bags were showing up, she asked, Do have a ride Wilt? I'll drop you off somewhere if you need it. I replied, No thank you, I'm picking up an Air Force car at the base motor pool; Gen. Paulk's gonna drop me off there. As the fine young thing went prancing off in her high heels, Gen. Paulk said, Wilt, you're dumber than I thought; I'da gone with HER. I replied, Well, I guess that shows how tough I am, too, doesn't it? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] POLITICS This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
I don't see the relevance to the list or it's intent. If people want to push the envelope I'm going to err on the side of caution, meaning I'll mod first and ask questions second. We need to get this place back on track, and trying to find ways to skirt the issue at hand is far from constructive. Again, I don't want to be a jerk or see this turn into the Hitler list, but some of this stuff has minimal MB content at best and only serves to open the door for more controversy. If common sense would suggest that the topic isn't relevant or even slightly inflammatory, don't. I suggest that anyone who has a question about content or posts drop me a private note. If you want to poke the bear you risk pulling back a bloody stump. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:35 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: You mean we can't even post legitimate news sources about solar manufacturing plants and solar farms that will provide electricity for our electric Mercedes? For example, here's such a story from Reuters: . (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Harry Reid recognized nine years ago that connections between his official duties and the lobbying activities of his relatives could lead to ethical questions. In 2003, the Nevada Democrat publicly banned relatives from lobbying him or his staff after newspaper reports showed that Nevada industries and institutions routinely turned to Reid's sons or son-in-law for representation. Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert. Reid has been one of the project's most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China http://www.reuters.com/places/china?lc=int_mb_1001 and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission. Craig Holman, a lobbyist for the non-partisan advocacy group Public Citizen, said the senator is dealing with an iffy ethical landscape because of the family connections and should recuse himself from the project. Is this just happening because ... it benefits the Reid family, or did Harry Reid actually believe in this? Holman said. The senator has supported numerous clean energy projects in Nevada. Rory Reid cites energy as one of his specialty areas at the law firm. The two Reids deny discussing the ENN project. You mean we can't even post legitimate news sources about solar manufacturing plants and solar farms that will provide electricity for our electric Mercedes? For example, here's such a story from Reuters: (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Harry Reid recognized nine years ago that connections between his official duties and the lobbying activities of his relatives could lead to ethical questions. In 2003, the Nevada Democrat publicly banned relatives from lobbying him or his staff after newspaper reports showed that Nevada industries and institutions routinely turned to Reid's sons or son-in-law for representation. Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert. Reid has been one of the project's most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China http://www.reuters.com/places/china?lc=int_mb_1001 and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission. Craig Holman, a lobbyist for the non-partisan advocacy group Public Citizen, said the senator is dealing with an iffy ethical landscape because of the family connections and should recuse himself from the project. Is this just happening because ... it benefits the Reid family, or did Harry Reid actually believe in this? Holman said. The senator has supported numerous clean energy projects in Nevada. Rory Reid cites energy as one of his specialty areas at the law firm. The two Reids deny discussing the ENN project. I have never discussed the project with my father or his staff, said Rory Reid. Kristen Orthman, a
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
True, but it's an easy out for the dealer to avoid having to do campaign or warranty work, which is about the least profitable job in the shop. Not to mention that they can get stuck with the job if the claim gets denied by MBUSA. If there is anything in the past that shows the numbers don't match it could certainly be a basis for rejecting the claim. Dan who used to review warranty claims for a manufacturer. Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It would be hard to damage the turbo internals in an engine swap unless something got in there and buggered it. --R On 4/12/14 11:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
I would agree with this as well. If you gave them a different VIN they would immediately begin suspecting something fishy, I would think. Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:10 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: why would you give them a VIN that's different than the one they can see on the chassis? that would seem to invite questions... i'd have them check the one on the car, not the motor, especially if you don't know if either was ever part of the Campaign. cheers! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
Dan, I defer to your moderator wisdom. The list serves a good and valuable social function with hearty and helpful discussion about keeping our various Mercedes in operational health. We seem to have a reliable [albeit, irritating at times] parts supply and a cumulative knowledge base to draw from in members. In that regard.. well done !! Like all adults we do take a keen interest in the world around us. We are a diverse group of, I believe, above average individuals. All with opinions. In this friendly environment of the list, it easily takes on the effect of a bunch of guys at the corner store around the pot belly stove having a talk about what's in the world. Such spirited conversation is and has been the very backbone of our current civilization. Thank you for not being a list nazi, and thank you for gentle moderation. If someone would kindly direct me as to how to find the much vaunted Banned list.. I would personally enjoy further spirited exchange about issues not directly related to Mercedes. Grant... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
It's not BLM - it's you and me - these are public lands. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use... Think of it as the fifth generation of Cartwrights. Ben as first generation, Adam, Hoss and Joe as second generation. Current occupants fifth and sixth generations. Now, Ben was grazing the land before Nevada was a state; long before there was a BLM. The family rights precede BLM. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD
I was a serial user of MBNA roadside for years before they caught on... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: It used to be really free. I had them come for my 79 240D in 2004 and I was the nth owner. They did try to sell me a battery though. On Apr 13, 2014 10:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That was a joke. They only offer free RA to owners who spend at least $100 annually at the local dealership. That leaves me out... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: And that's an issue? If so, buy a AAA membership. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I could be blacklisted from their Roadside Assistance program... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I would. Most o the engine serial numbers are pretty tough to get to. Feign ignorance. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining
Dieselhead wrote: I sent a bunch of info related to turbos, rebuilding, sources of parts and expertise to a list member offlist. Anyone here want the stuff while it is fresh? Sure! I like collecting info. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
Exactly. While there is no problem with off topic posts per se, just as you would do in polite company one should avoid potentially inflammatory or controversial topics. Coming from a family that was heavily invested in the political scene, it was always understood that there was a time and place for it, and there were places where it was not appropriate. Sadly, political discourse has seemed to degenerate to a new low in the past few years. Maybe it's the Internet, maybe it's a cultural thing, I don't know. The anger and venom that seems to wend its way through just about any discussion between opposing viewpoints/opinions these days really troubles me. We don't want that on the list, or even on the fringes of it. Best to leave it to Banned. Just so my bona fides are understood, I ran several of the lists on Richarde's former mbz.org site, as well as a couple of private lists for the late Kathy Kennel. I would also suggest that I am far from perfect, and if someone feels I have dealt with them unfairly or inappropriately I encourage you to contact me directly. The virtual door is always open. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:50 PM, G Mann wrote: Dan, I defer to your moderator wisdom. The list serves a good and valuable social function with hearty and helpful discussion about keeping our various Mercedes in operational health. We seem to have a reliable [albeit, irritating at times] parts supply and a cumulative knowledge base to draw from in members. In that regard.. well done !! Like all adults we do take a keen interest in the world around us. We are a diverse group of, I believe, above average individuals. All with opinions. In this friendly environment of the list, it easily takes on the effect of a bunch of guys at the corner store around the pot belly stove having a talk about what's in the world. Such spirited conversation is and has been the very backbone of our current civilization. Thank you for not being a list nazi, and thank you for gentle moderation. If someone would kindly direct me as to how to find the much vaunted Banned list.. I would personally enjoy further spirited exchange about issues not directly related to Mercedes. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?
Andrew wrote: I fixed a pinhol leak last year. Reservoir is full. So if the springs are stronger than they should be, does this mean a less or more bouncy ride? Or is this irrelevant to my problem? Probably not. What you described in a earlier post, The rear is EXCESSIVELY bouncy, using my weight on the rear bumper. It takes quite a while to settle after I bounce it up and down. is a description of an under-damped system. The spring rate will have little to do with it. This is the job of the shocks - to convert motion into heat. If the self-leveling part of the suspension is actually working, then there is something else interfering with the damping. Air in the system is pretty unusual, as it should be self bleeding. (If I'm remembering correctly...) I have had mine fully drained a number of times and haven't ever had evidence of air in the system. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Tampa Tale
Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale: I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s. She's very nice, a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers. Not a looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person. Her Dad was literally a rocket scientist and worked for many years with Dod contractors in Southern California, and a lot of that environment has carried over to her. As a result of this, we often lunch together, since our peers can't handle such bizarre dishes like sushi or a nice warm brie. We were walking back from a sushi lunch the other day when we came upon one of our coworkers from another floor, Dana. Now mind you, I'm as hetero as they get, but Dana is a good looking man - tanned, very buff, etc. As soon as we walked up to Dana, this young lady's disposition changed completely. Suddenly she was all warm and fuzzy, gushy, etc., behaviors I had never seen her exhibit. One of the best examples I have ever seen of code switching in my life. Needless to say, I hassled her (all in good fun) incessantly about it all afternoon. Oh - she's a car person, too. BMWs and the original Minis. She's even competed in a couple of the Lemons races at Sebring. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:09 PM, WILTON wrote: Well, this is not much; not sure if ya've seen it before; if so, please pardon the redundancy. TOUGHER THAN YOU THOUGHT While I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, in 1978, I talked on the phone several times with BGen. Paulk at HQ in Co. Springs; also visited with 'im at least 3 times, twice in Co. Springs and once at Sondy. On one of my trips to Co. Springs, Gen Paulk and I noticed each other as we were getting on an airplane at Denver. Gen. Paulk talked to stewardess, who got guy in seat beside him to switch with me. As we were arriving at Co. Springs, Gen. Paulk inquired of me, Wilt, do you have a ride to your hotel? I responded, No, Sir, but I'm picking up an Air Force car at Peterson AFB Motor Pool. He replied, Ride with me, then, I'll drop you off. While The Gen. and I were waiting for our bags, a mighty fine-looking, young blond female captain (in civilian clothes) I had known in the B-52 unit in Michigan three or four years before came running toward me squealing, Wilton! Wilton! Gen. Paulk and I were in uniform, but the fine-looking captain and I hugged enthusiastically, and chatted a bit, and, as our bags were showing up, she asked, Do have a ride Wilt? I'll drop you off somewhere if you need it. I replied, No thank you, I'm picking up an Air Force car at the base motor pool; Gen. Paulk's gonna drop me off there. As the fine young thing went prancing off in her high heels, Gen. Paulk said, Wilt, you're dumber than I thought; I'da gone with HER. I replied, Well, I guess that shows how tough I am, too, doesn't it? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] POLITICS This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining
What he said. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: FmiserSent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 2:56 PMTo: mercedes@okiebenz.comReply To: Mercedes Discussion ListSubject: Re: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining Dieselhead wrote: I sent a bunch of info related to turbos, rebuilding, sources of parts and expertise to a list member offlist. Anyone here want the stuff while it is fresh?Sure! I like collecting info. *smiles*-- Philip___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comAll posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking
The simplest solution I've found has been a piece of soft, smooth surface, insulation board and slide-out razor knives. I draw rough outlines of the areas I'm working on with a Sharpie, and then simply push the bolts and screws down into the board at the places on the drawing where they came out of. I make a little slit for the nuts and washers if they can't be pushed into the board. I save the boards for further jobs since the boards come 4' by 8', can be easily cut into smaller pieces with a razor knife, and aren't expensive. Thicker boards, if available, seem to work better than the half inch boards. Gerry On 4/13/2014 2:30 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I bought one of those magnetic parts dishes at the local HF store a while back when they had them for cheap(er). It has saved my bottom more than once since. Now if they could only make one that worked with aluminum fasteners. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: I did most of this job on a 126 until I gave up and jury-rigged a string to hold the floor vents open during the winter. I can't comment on the 124 (although the video mage it look a little easier than the 126) but I encountered multiple types and sizes of fasteners. For the most part, I stored these screws, clips, etc. by just threading them partially back into the hole they came out of. I found one of those magnetic parts dishes useful because they don't lose the parts when you accidentally kick the dish while crawling upside down under the dash. Scott ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
On 4/13/2014 4:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Exactly. While there is no problem with off topic posts per se, just as you would do in polite company one should avoid potentially inflammatory or controversial topics. Coming from a family that was heavily invested in the political scene, it was always understood that there was a time and place for it, and there were places where it was not appropriate. Sadly, political discourse has seemed to degenerate to a new low in the past few years. Maybe it's the Internet, maybe it's a cultural thing, I don't know. The anger and venom that seems to wend its way through just about any discussion between opposing viewpoints/opinions these days really troubles me. We don't want that on the list, or even on the fringes of it. Best to leave it to Banned. Just so my bona fides are understood, I ran several of the lists on Richarde's former mbz.org site, as well as a couple of private lists for the late Kathy Kennel. I would also suggest that I am far from perfect, and if someone feels I have dealt with them unfairly or inappropriately I encourage you to contact me directly. The virtual door is always open. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:50 PM, G Mann wrote: Dan, I defer to your moderator wisdom. The list serves a good and valuable social function with hearty and helpful discussion about keeping our various Mercedes in operational health. We seem to have a reliable [albeit, irritating at times] parts supply and a cumulative knowledge base to draw from in members. In that regard.. well done !! Like all adults we do take a keen interest in the world around us. We are a diverse group of, I believe, above average individuals. All with opinions. In this friendly environment of the list, it easily takes on the effect of a bunch of guys at the corner store around the pot belly stove having a talk about what's in the world. Such spirited conversation is and has been the very backbone of our current civilization. Thank you for not being a list nazi, and thank you for gentle moderation. If someone would kindly direct me as to how to find the much vaunted Banned list.. I would personally enjoy further spirited exchange about issues not directly related to Mercedes. Grant... There is, or was, too much XXXrated discussion on Banned IMO. There needs to be a political offshoot of the list restricted to politics. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
Isn't the engine s/n stamped on the block below the head at the rear of the engine (I could be thinking of the M117)? They're more likely to look for the engine s/n by cross referencing to the chassis s/n. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:10 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: why would you give them a VIN that's different than the one they can see on the chassis? that would seem to invite questions... i'd have them check the one on the car, not the motor, especially if you don't know if either was ever part of the Campaign. cheers! e On 13/Apr/14 06:39, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It would be hard to damage the turbo internals in an engine swap unless something got in there and buggered it. --R On 4/12/14 11:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
My thoughts exactly. Unless there was something unusual about the engine I can't imagine them going to the trouble of trying to read the engine serial number. If it's like the M119 it's pretty much impossible to get to in frame. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 5:31 PM, OK Don wrote: Isn't the engine s/n stamped on the block below the head at the rear of the engine (I could be thinking of the M117)? They're more likely to look for the engine s/n by cross referencing to the chassis s/n. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is, or was, too much XXXrated discussion on Banned IMO. There needs to be a political offshoot of the list restricted to politics. All the off topic with none of the off color? You mean bannedlite? What year was a message last posted to that list? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
The fate of many moderated lists seem to be a gradually increasing belligerence on the part of the moderator; in this case pulling back a bloody stump. Good luck, bear. (grin) Gerrywho has no trouble using the delete key in any list. I don't see the relevance to the list or it's intent. If people want to push the envelope I'm going to err on the side of caution, meaning I'll mod first and ask questions second. We need to get this place back on track, and trying to find ways to skirt the issue at hand is far from constructive. Again, I don't want to be a jerk or see this turn into the Hitler list, but some of this stuff has minimal MB content at best and only serves to open the door for more controversy. If common sense would suggest that the topic isn't relevant or even slightly inflammatory, don't. I suggest that anyone who has a question about content or posts drop me a private note. If you want to poke the bear you risk pulling back a bloody stump. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:35 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: You mean we can't even post legitimate news sources about solar manufacturing plants and solar farms that will provide electricity for our electric Mercedes? For example, here's such a story from Reuters: . (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Harry Reid recognized nine years ago that connections between his official duties and the lobbying activities of his relatives could lead to ethical questions. In 2003, the Nevada Democrat publicly banned relatives from lobbying him or his staff after newspaper reports showed that Nevada industries and institutions routinely turned to Reid's sons or son-in-law for representation. Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert. Reid has been one of the project's most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China http://www.reuters.com/places/china?lc=int_mb_1001 and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission. Craig Holman, a lobbyist for the non-partisan advocacy group Public Citizen, said the senator is dealing with an iffy ethical landscape because of the family connections and should recuse himself from the project. Is this just happening because ... it benefits the Reid family, or did Harry Reid actually believe in this? Holman said. The senator has supported numerous clean energy projects in Nevada. Rory Reid cites energy as one of his specialty areas at the law firm. The two Reids deny discussing the ENN project. You mean we can't even post legitimate news sources about solar manufacturing plants and solar farms that will provide electricity for our electric Mercedes? For example, here's such a story from Reuters: (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Harry Reid recognized nine years ago that connections between his official duties and the lobbying activities of his relatives could lead to ethical questions. In 2003, the Nevada Democrat publicly banned relatives from lobbying him or his staff after newspaper reports showed that Nevada industries and institutions routinely turned to Reid's sons or son-in-law for representation. Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert. Reid has been one of the project's most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China http://www.reuters.com/places/china?lc=int_mb_1001 and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada. His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission. Craig Holman, a lobbyist for the non-partisan advocacy group Public Citizen, said the senator is dealing with an iffy ethical landscape because of the family connections and should recuse himself from the project. Is this just happening because ... it benefits the Reid family, or did Harry Reid actually believe in this? Holman said. The senator has supported numerous clean energy projects in Nevada. Rory Reid cites energy as one of his specialty areas at the law firm.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is, or was, too much XXXrated discussion on Banned IMO. There needs to be a political offshoot of the list restricted to politics. All the off topic with none of the off color? You mean bannedlite? What year was a message last posted to that list? Mitch. ___ Never been on it. Was only on banned long enough to know I didn't like it. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Dieselhead wrote: Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. That sounds like a nice idea to discuss at banned? Otherwise, hopefully you can explain what might seem inane and patriotic for me, please. Are we speaking about support of military industrial complex? or something less invasive and personally satisfying in the local context? My inclination is to pull back from as much interaction as possible in all things government related. I would guess from the sound and tenor of what you might be saying is that my inclination is not productive. My inclination is based more on ask not what your country can do for you/ Send me to banned? Dan? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Dan wrote: There's our first victim. Me too? ... tthat's what I get for not reading further in the thread.. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Gerry wonders: ...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? Kathy Kennel did moderation, perhaps? Some of the problem with OT stuff is that there are much fewer old cars that people DIY so this forum might die if not for a modicum of OT stuff. The OT stuff is like Grant pictured - pot belly stove, differing ideas, modicum of mess, but we begin as friends and we continue as friends and we are loud as friends. I suspect that it might be a while before more MB topics pick up, if ever. Most social media is on fookbace or tweetie and by millenials moreso that the boomers. Boomers and email and forums are ending an era, I suspect. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Model B52 RC Flight
Well, sort of. BTW, it crashed and burned several years ago. Wilton, 5000 hours in real ones - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:01 AM Subject: [MBZ] Model B52 RC Flight From Chuck L. This is a great flying model. looks and sounds realistic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbITzCI2AU0 HI! This a few years old, but wonderful that some guys in UK could build and fly this... Enjoy! Chuck ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD
I think that Andrew's concern is that the dealer will run the VIN, and the VIN will show that the campaign-covered work was already performed, and then Andrew will have some 'splanin to do... If I wanted to keep a relationship with that dealer, I wouldn't want to have to do any 'splanin... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: April 13, 2014 5:36:04 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD My thoughts exactly. Unless there was something unusual about the engine I can't imagine them going to the trouble of trying to read the engine serial number. If it's like the M119 it's pretty much impossible to get to in frame. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 5:31 PM, OK Don wrote: Isn't the engine s/n stamped on the block below the head at the rear of the engine (I could be thinking of the M117)? They're more likely to look for the engine s/n by cross referencing to the chassis s/n. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
Yes banned lite, been years since a post was made Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 4:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is, or was, too much XXXrated discussion on Banned IMO. There needs to be a political offshoot of the list restricted to politics. All the off topic with none of the off color? You mean bannedlite? What year was a message last posted to that list? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
On 4/13/2014 6:31 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wonders: ...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? Kathy Kennel did moderation, perhaps? Some of the problem with OT stuff is that there are much fewer old cars that people DIY so this forum might die if not for a modicum of OT stuff. The OT stuff is like Grant pictured - pot belly stove, differing ideas, modicum of mess, but we begin as friends and we continue as friends and we are loud as friends. I suspect that it might be a while before more MB topics pick up, if ever. Most social media is on fookbace or tweetie and by millenials moreso that the boomers. Boomers and email and forums are ending an era, I suspect. mao Gerry wrote: Good analysis. As far as moderation goes, I think Dan is coming on too strong. He should consider Kalebs method which was to get involved only when things got too wild, and then find a policy somewhere in between his current militant moderation and Kalebs. It's nearly always better to lead people than to push people, isn't it? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
Banned (from what I've heard) is not everyone's cup of tea as an alternative for off-topic subjects. Other attempts in the past to spin off sub-interest lists did not meet with much success (what about the linux list? the diesel tech list? any activity there these days?) Other constraints on my time have prevented me from participating here lately. I've kept an eye on the subject lines but really do not even read most of the messages. I deal with the delete issue by simply deleting entire threads in one fell swoop if the subject appears to be off-topic. My impression is that the list has evolved into a forum where the majority of discussion is not strictly MB related. It's more like a group of friends who have MB as a common interest, but like to talk about a lot of other stuff too, and occasionally a technical MB topic will come up. It seems to keep the regulars interested. On the other hand the noise might drive away a lot of new arrivals who don't want to bother weeding thorough all the chatter. We might get away with moderating the political discussion, the same way we moderate obscene language, but one person's interesting current events discussion is another person's politics. To me it's much more of a grey area and slippery slope to a strictly censored list that is no fun anymore. Then everyone will just move on. All I can say is, be careful. Allan Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: We could have lots of fun discussing this on banned. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated. I would rather see the traffic drop off than to have to constantly hit Delete. Wilton, time for a Sondy tale, please. ListDan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
i contend that no one ever need to concerned about me as long as the mob is kept under control, that i fire only when fired upon. the sheriff can expect nothing other than my full support in forging this outlaw town into a place where decent people can settle and raise their families in peace and prosperity. shane penoff, marshall, kleb city. has the making of a 60s TV series for sure! i think mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 6:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] POLITICS
this is a good point . nearly all of banned is smut. either banned needs to be toned down to the border of PG13 and R or a new list would be in order On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is, or was, too much XXXrated discussion on Banned IMO. There needs to be a political offshoot of the list restricted to politics. All the off topic with none of the off color? You mean bannedlite? What year was a message last posted to that list? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD
Happily, there is a dealer open house next weekend. Every Club member gets time with a tech to go over their cars on a lift. Great opportunity to ask questions. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: sorry, i missed the answer to my question, so here it is in a slightly different form: have you *asked* the dealer? as an aside, i find it unlikely that any of the parts in question could have been affected with the issue you're trying to address with an engine swap. cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 20:56, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: is that what the dealer told you when asked? interesting; but we're not talking about a warranty, we're talking about a Campaign (which is what MBZ did instead of letting it get to a formal Recall). cheers! e On 12/Apr/14 11:32, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The warranty only applies if the engine matches the VIN. Mine doesn't. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: i would certainly ask, before guessing what they might do; if my local dealer were unwilling to do Campaign service work that MBZ was paying them for, they would not be my dealer for long. cheers! e On 10/Apr/14 10:46, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I doubt my local dealer (Euro Motorcars) would be willing to do anything of the sort. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: actually, what happened with the '85 300Ds was that MBZ did (at least) 2 separate Campaigns where they replaced the Trap Oxidizers with something else; the last one i'm familiar with replaces it with a W126-numbered part that seems to be nothing other than a Catalytic Convertor. the campaigns were at no cost to the owners; it might be worth checking to see if they're still in effect, as the last one i took advantage of was already ~10 years ago. cheers! e On 09/Apr/14 19:29, Rick Knoble wrote: --- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:57:27 -0400 From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD Needs a replacement turbocharger. Because the trap oxidizer cooked it Like I said a couple days ago... And you though we were all full of beans when we (several list members) said to do away with the T/O. MBUSA did away with them in a recall/TSB. Why keep it? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the
Re: [MBZ] OT: Feel Good Video
I get a plug in failure - requires Adobe Flash upgrade that will not install on my Macbook Pro. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: This should warm the cockles of a few hearts. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=464372510267787 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Uhhh, no Chuck Connors, please. I apologize if I came on too strong, as it was not my intent. I was more concerned with those who might attempt to push the envelope, hence my desire to draw a virtual line in the sand. There are those who would continue to beat the proverbial dead horse, if allowed, and there's simply nothing productive about that. If things are clearly stated there can be no basis for claims of I didn't understand or I was just making one last comment. As we used to warn our children when they would attempt to argue semantics as all children do, Do you want to be most right? We need to have a point where we can move forward without concern for things to get dicey as they have previously, that's all. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i contend that no one ever need to concerned about me as long as the mob is kept under control, that i fire only when fired upon. the sheriff can expect nothing other than my full support in forging this outlaw town into a place where decent people can settle and raise their families in peace and prosperity. shane penoff, marshall, kleb city. has the making of a 60s TV series for sure! i think mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 6:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
