Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List
Wilton, I am respectful and appreciative of all who have served, especially in political wars such as Viet Nam. I was lucky. I was in college and sitting in the student union when the draft lottery was taken for all the birthdays. My numbered was 332, my older brother was 289, and my oldest brother was no longer in physical condition for active duty (he was Army reserve). I watched guys crying because their numbers were low and they knew they were going. I took the offer of 1A for 6 months and then they put me in a pool which meant there would be all out WWIII before I would be called. In my opinion, and it's just mine, WWII was the last foreign war that the USA should have been involved in. If someone were attacking the USA, I'd gladly pick up my guns and go kill them. And I say kill them because that's what guns do and that's what I'd do if I had to pick up my guns. Again, with deep respect, thanks to all who have served. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Monark Nozzles from TechnikExpert
After some delay, I finally have a FedEx tracking number for the Monark nozzles I ordered from TechnikExpert.de I should have the new nozzles next Monday. Their customer service online leaves much to be desired - I never got a response to any of my email queries. My account at their website would only show that my order was in process. I finally called their office in Germany, and fortunately the lady who answered spoke enough English to answer my questions and explain that my nozzles were back-ordered to Monark, and she checked with them to get a shipping date for me. Next decision: Once they arrive on the 17th, should I try to get them rebuilt before Thanksgiving and re-installed in my '95 E300 so that family can borrow a car while visiting, or wait until after the holiday? -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
I have recently put down 3 floors. One prefinished brazilian cherry, one prefinished hickory, and one unfinished brazilian cherry. These are all solid wood. The prefinished brazilian cherry is really nice. The hickory is nice but that stuff really moves with moisture and temperature. The unfinished is nice too, gotta get it sanded and finished soon. The finished stuff goes down fast and is done when it's down. I don't really like the engineered stuff for reasons I cannot fully articulate. Maybe the nailed-down stuff would be better than the floating. I have the air nailer if you need to borrow it. I ordered my flooring on-line, got good prices. The local outlets were 2-3X higher for the same stuff. --R On 11/12/14 8:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - Back to Guns
Been going to the sporting clays range regularly with the youngest, enjoying it greatly. Yesterday we went on the beginners sporting clays range. Eight stations, six pairs each. Everything from just about every direction including a couple across the ground. We probably hit about 70% of the clays if not more, which made it even more fun. They are having a professional instructor in on Sunday to conduct one on one Intro to sporting clays training, so I signed us up for it. Things like determining your dominant eye, tracking targets, stance, etc. This will be good for us since we've never had formal training, and if we learn one or two things it will definitely be a plus. We have been using rental guns from the range lately, and boy, what a difference it has made. We've been shooting a 12 gauge Beretta 390 lately. Nice gun, minimal recoil, easy to sight with. The latest one we used had a thumb lever for releasing the bolt after you load a shell in the chamber. Nice aftermarket add on. Last weekend we took a beginning shooter's course at a local range. It consisted of about 90 minutes of classroom instruction on safety and gun handling, then another 90 minutes on the range with an instructor running us through drills on handling, safety, loading, dealing with problems, and sighting. We used a .22 semiautomatic pistol, whose brand I didn't catch. This went well and gave us a level of comfort I don't think either of us had up to this point, not having had formal handgun training, either. I think it was discussed previously that a good first pistol for the boy might be a Ruger Mark III. it may have been mentioned, but I was wondering if the Ruger 22/45 might be a good choice to start with since it has the same characteristics of a .45, too. Again, thanks to all for your comments, opinions and suggestions - it has been most helpful! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Opinion: Keep the current wood floor you have, which is solid wood, and sand it to a fresh finish. [there are machines you can rent to do that]. Then match the area where you remove carpeting with new solid wood. You can then stain and finish the whole lot the same for a match, without the expense of replacing the existing solid wood, which should have a life span of 50 to 100 years if kept dry and cared for. I have had solid wood floors [installed them myself] and I've had engineered wood floors.. I've always found the engineered wood to look cheap and beaten after a couple years, regardless of how carefully it was cared for... solid wood, however just gathered a nice patina that said.. I'm solid wood and I look it. At one time, I owned 42 rentals, all of which I rehabbed and rented.. I used engineered wood floors in a lot in them, and regretted it when I sold them.. renters are hard use and it showed. Sort of the acid test. My vote would be tile and solid oak. Refinish existing, replace carpet with new solid wood. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Thanks Rich. Tell me more about ordering wood on-line. Website? -Max On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have recently put down 3 floors. One prefinished brazilian cherry, one prefinished hickory, and one unfinished brazilian cherry. These are all solid wood. The prefinished brazilian cherry is really nice. The hickory is nice but that stuff really moves with moisture and temperature. The unfinished is nice too, gotta get it sanded and finished soon. The finished stuff goes down fast and is done when it's down. I don't really like the engineered stuff for reasons I cannot fully articulate. Maybe the nailed-down stuff would be better than the floating. I have the air nailer if you need to borrow it. I ordered my flooring on-line, got good prices. The local outlets were 2-3X higher for the same stuff. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
Curt wrote: Yeah around town... Let's go from Florida to New England and back. My TDI will stomp a Prius for mileage, speed, comfort and price... Curt Not if the price of diesel up there is a dollar more per gallon like it is down here fairly often. Besides that VWs break down a lot oftener than Prius'. I've searched the 'net and can't find a DIY Prius list that describes anywhere near the range of repairs that the usual VW or Mercedes list does. Find me a Prius DIY list that compares to this one and I'll save my 300D for you until spring. Might even drive it up there and meet you at my BILs farm in SE Pennsylvania. Gerrywhose Prius will go 100 mph (it's been demonstrated.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4213/8556 - Release Date: 11/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
I agree. Engineered is garbage. It will always have a cheap look to it. The pre finished is nice but it has a subtle bevel and a finish which is too perfect. These both detract in my opinion. The best is solid wood sanded then finished. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 12, 2014, at 9:21 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Opinion: Keep the current wood floor you have, which is solid wood, and sand it to a fresh finish. [there are machines you can rent to do that]. Then match the area where you remove carpeting with new solid wood. You can then stain and finish the whole lot the same for a match, without the expense of replacing the existing solid wood, which should have a life span of 50 to 100 years if kept dry and cared for. I have had solid wood floors [installed them myself] and I've had engineered wood floors.. I've always found the engineered wood to look cheap and beaten after a couple years, regardless of how carefully it was cared for... solid wood, however just gathered a nice patina that said.. I'm solid wood and I look it. At one time, I owned 42 rentals, all of which I rehabbed and rented.. I used engineered wood floors in a lot in them, and regretted it when I sold them.. renters are hard use and it showed. Sort of the acid test. My vote would be tile and solid oak. Refinish existing, replace carpet with new solid wood. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Back to Guns
ATTABOY ! I heartily approve of your getting both you and your son instruction time. It will enhance your enjoyment of the sport, increase your comfort and safety as well. Great decision to do that early. Enjoy the sport, I have for many years. For myself, it's much more satisfying to grind a clay target to dust than it is to search for a lost golf ball.. haha.. Grant... On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Been going to the sporting clays range regularly with the youngest, enjoying it greatly. Yesterday we went on the beginners sporting clays range. Eight stations, six pairs each. Everything from just about every direction including a couple across the ground. We probably hit about 70% of the clays if not more, which made it even more fun. They are having a professional instructor in on Sunday to conduct one on one Intro to sporting clays training, so I signed us up for it. Things like determining your dominant eye, tracking targets, stance, etc. This will be good for us since we've never had formal training, and if we learn one or two things it will definitely be a plus. We have been using rental guns from the range lately, and boy, what a difference it has made. We've been shooting a 12 gauge Beretta 390 lately. Nice gun, minimal recoil, easy to sight with. The latest one we used had a thumb lever for releasing the bolt after you load a shell in the chamber. Nice aftermarket add on. Last weekend we took a beginning shooter's course at a local range. It consisted of about 90 minutes of classroom instruction on safety and gun handling, then another 90 minutes on the range with an instructor running us through drills on handling, safety, loading, dealing with problems, and sighting. We used a .22 semiautomatic pistol, whose brand I didn't catch. This went well and gave us a level of comfort I don't think either of us had up to this point, not having had formal handgun training, either. I think it was discussed previously that a good first pistol for the boy might be a Ruger Mark III. it may have been mentioned, but I was wondering if the Ruger 22/45 might be a good choice to start with since it has the same characteristics of a .45, too. Again, thanks to all for your comments, opinions and suggestions - it has been most helpful! Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
Curt wrote: TDI will do better faster. My record is 55mpg. Curt Your Beetle might do better up there where everything is downhill and the air is thicker, but down here in the flatlands, My Prius will clean your Beetles clock. (grin) Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4213/8556 - Release Date: 11/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Why not buy or make your own oak flooring to match what is there? The prefinished stuff is nowhere near as nice as the old oak (or maple) flooring. Maybe you can find a school that is taking up their maple flooring and get then for the hauling if you want to go cheap. I got some oak flooring out of house that was being torn down. I made my own from logs on the place when I built my house. 3 big red oak logs. Got em sawed, dried em, air dried the lumber for a few years, then planed and milled the TG on a radial arm saw. (anyone remember them? They used to be quite popular) The prefinsihed stuff expands after installation, so if you don't want the floor to buckle, you have to leave plenty space for expansion. I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
I have done real TG oak and maple in about six different houses. This would be solid wood, 3/4 thick, tongue and groove flooring, unfinished. I'm not familiar with a prefinished 3/4 wood product. I have done engineered flooring, specifically Pergo, in a couple of houses. My personal preference is for the real thing. While properly installed engineered flooring should have no problems with the loads you describe, I would again lean towards real wood flooring. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Hurst Hardwoods for the pre-finished and I think the unfinished, build.com for the hickory (although they have other stuff too). I actually can't remember on all of it, would have to pull my receipts and check. Hurst (not Jabba) is in Tampa and were very good and good prices. I can dig up the sales guy's name if you want. Build.com has been the source for a lot of my stuff and a great seller -- very good prices, excellent service, and I have my own sales cutie (Brittany) if you want to check on stuff (and I usually beat on them for another 5% discount on their already good prices). http://hursthardwoods.com/proddetail.php?prod=SOLPFBC5cat=1516 http://www.build.com/mohawk-industries-wsc36-10/s754252?uid=1890353 http://hursthardwoods.com/proddetail.php?prod=4CLRJAT If you go with oak you might as well just hit Lowes or HD for that stuff, or maybe Lumber Liquidators. See what their prices are. That stuff is mostly commodity so prices are fairly cheap. There is a distributor in NChuck I was going to get my stuff from but they changed their sales and wouldn't sell to me after saying they would, but it turns out Hurst was cheaper anyway, even with some shipping (and no Nimrata tax). --R On 11/12/14 9:23 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Thanks Rich. Tell me more about ordering wood on-line. Website? -Max On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have recently put down 3 floors. One prefinished brazilian cherry, one prefinished hickory, and one unfinished brazilian cherry. These are all solid wood. The prefinished brazilian cherry is really nice. The hickory is nice but that stuff really moves with moisture and temperature. The unfinished is nice too, gotta get it sanded and finished soon. The finished stuff goes down fast and is done when it's down. I don't really like the engineered stuff for reasons I cannot fully articulate. Maybe the nailed-down stuff would be better than the floating. I have the air nailer if you need to borrow it. I ordered my flooring on-line, got good prices. The local outlets were 2-3X higher for the same stuff. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
I particularly hate the 'snare drum' sound of the floating wood-like floors. That said, we've got one of those in the kitchen, and are about to do the same to the boy's room. (Pet bird, carpets. You do the math!) The thing is, in 20 years (?) when these look like crap they'll be easy to take up and redo. It's like carpet in that sense. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
I was concerned about the prefinished stuff too but after researching it I determined that the factory finish is much harder and durable than what can be put down after a floor is sanded. The finishes are warranteed, for whatever that is worth. The prefinished hickory I put down has a small bevel on the edges of the pieces which deals with any minor thickness differences (that would be sanded down on unfinished) and so gives some small grooves between boards. Not too noticeable but it is there. The prefinished jatoba I put down has smaller edge bevels and is much smoother. I like it better. Prefinished solid can be sanded when necessary so that aspect is the same. On the engineered stuff you gotta be really careful as the actual wood is not very thick. The prefinished is standard TG so no different from regular flooring material. Goes down just the same then it is done so cost and timewise I think it is a better deal. I am actually going to check out a floor sander to rent today, and have sorta decided on a finish http://www.bona.com/en-US/United-States1/BonaSystem/Coatings/Finishes/BonaTraffic/ for the jatoba in the kitchen. Waterborne so not a big stink, and has a lot of solids (aluminum oxide I think) for durability. Looks easy enough to put down, basically pour some down then smear it around with a pad and it levels itself fairly well. Sealer goes down first. The jatoba is very hard so sanding tends to be a chore, but Lowes rents a sander with 3 random orbit pads, much better than the old drums I have used and hated in the past. --R On 11/12/14 9:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I have done real TG oak and maple in about six different houses. This would be solid wood, 3/4 thick, tongue and groove flooring, unfinished. I'm not familiar with a prefinished 3/4 wood product. I have done engineered flooring, specifically Pergo, in a couple of houses. My personal preference is for the real thing. While properly installed engineered flooring should have no problems with the loads you describe, I would again lean towards real wood flooring. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List
My thoughts, too, re. WWII and the others since. Wilton - Original Message - From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List Wilton, I am respectful and appreciative of all who have served, especially in political wars such as Viet Nam. I was lucky. I was in college and sitting in the student union when the draft lottery was taken for all the birthdays. My numbered was 332, my older brother was 289, and my oldest brother was no longer in physical condition for active duty (he was Army reserve). I watched guys crying because their numbers were low and they knew they were going. I took the offer of 1A for 6 months and then they put me in a pool which meant there would be all out WWIII before I would be called. In my opinion, and it's just mine, WWII was the last foreign war that the USA should have been involved in. If someone were attacking the USA, I'd gladly pick up my guns and go kill them. And I say kill them because that's what guns do and that's what I'd do if I had to pick up my guns. Again, with deep respect, thanks to all who have served. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
'Still have my radial arm saw I bought in The Soo 42 years ago. Also, still using the kitchen cabinets it helped me to build, incl. moldings, drawers, doors, etc., 26 years ago. 'Filed/shaped the blades for milling the moldings to match that existing on doors throughout the house. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered Why not buy or make your own oak flooring to match what is there? The prefinished stuff is nowhere near as nice as the old oak (or maple) flooring. Maybe you can find a school that is taking up their maple flooring and get then for the hauling if you want to go cheap. I got some oak flooring out of house that was being torn down. I made my own from logs on the place when I built my house. 3 big red oak logs. Got em sawed, dried em, air dried the lumber for a few years, then planed and milled the TG on a radial arm saw. (anyone remember them? They used to be quite popular) The prefinsihed stuff expands after installation, so if you don't want the floor to buckle, you have to leave plenty space for expansion. I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List
I join Wilton in that assessment. Seems to me, WW2 was the last war America fought to win. All since have been police actions . I've always had serious heart burn about being the worlds policemen, on our tax nickle. WW2 is also the last war the Generals ran... all since have been run by politicians and news media driven public opinion. Another set of heart burns for me. All said... myself included... some member or members of my family have been present in uniform at every dustup America has been in since 1776. Grant... On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:20 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My thoughts, too, re. WWII and the others since. Wilton - Original Message - From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List Wilton, I am respectful and appreciative of all who have served, especially in political wars such as Viet Nam. I was lucky. I was in college and sitting in the student union when the draft lottery was taken for all the birthdays. My numbered was 332, my older brother was 289, and my oldest brother was no longer in physical condition for active duty (he was Army reserve). I watched guys crying because their numbers were low and they knew they were going. I took the offer of 1A for 6 months and then they put me in a pool which meant there would be all out WWIII before I would be called. In my opinion, and it's just mine, WWII was the last foreign war that the USA should have been involved in. If someone were attacking the USA, I'd gladly pick up my guns and go kill them. And I say kill them because that's what guns do and that's what I'd do if I had to pick up my guns. Again, with deep respect, thanks to all who have served. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
'Zackly. BTW, 'sold my last rental 'bout 3 months ago after 35 years as a landlord. 'Been feelin' a lot better for 3 months, too. (Had only 28 rentals for several years.) 'Same tenant in last one for 34 years. 'Decided years ago, though, maybe I'm too nice a guy to be a landlord - for example, don't like having to take a tenant to court to get 'im to do what he agreed to do in the lease; and on and on. 'Just got tired of the hassle of having to babysit irresponsible adults. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered Opinion: Keep the current wood floor you have, which is solid wood, and sand it to a fresh finish. [there are machines you can rent to do that]. Then match the area where you remove carpeting with new solid wood. You can then stain and finish the whole lot the same for a match, without the expense of replacing the existing solid wood, which should have a life span of 50 to 100 years if kept dry and cared for. I have had solid wood floors [installed them myself] and I've had engineered wood floors.. I've always found the engineered wood to look cheap and beaten after a couple years, regardless of how carefully it was cared for... solid wood, however just gathered a nice patina that said.. I'm solid wood and I look it. At one time, I owned 42 rentals, all of which I rehabbed and rented.. I used engineered wood floors in a lot in them, and regretted it when I sold them.. renters are hard use and it showed. Sort of the acid test. My vote would be tile and solid oak. Refinish existing, replace carpet with new solid wood. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Grandpa Takes The Kids To The Movies
For those of you who served, “thank you.” http://www.youtube.com/v/AgYLr_LfhLo?version=3hl=en_USrel=0 PLEASE Watch this - it’s less than 5 minutes!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 23:09:37 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, indeed! And back to the original point of this thread: We do have several veterans on the list. As a matter of curiosity, who are you? In what branch did you serve or are you serving? What dates? When were you in the USAF, Wilton? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Since we're on the subject of floors, part of my home is floored with Brazilian Redwood, which is intersting because no two planks are alike so it has a quite distincitive look. The rest of the floors are either faux oak or real oak. Anyone have any experience with proper care for the Brazilian stuff, or a good place to buy more? On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:49 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Zackly. BTW, 'sold my last rental 'bout 3 months ago after 35 years as a landlord. 'Been feelin' a lot better for 3 months, too. (Had only 28 rentals for several years.) 'Same tenant in last one for 34 years. 'Decided years ago, though, maybe I'm too nice a guy to be a landlord - for example, don't like having to take a tenant to court to get 'im to do what he agreed to do in the lease; and on and on. 'Just got tired of the hassle of having to babysit irresponsible adults. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered Opinion: Keep the current wood floor you have, which is solid wood, and sand it to a fresh finish. [there are machines you can rent to do that]. Then match the area where you remove carpeting with new solid wood. You can then stain and finish the whole lot the same for a match, without the expense of replacing the existing solid wood, which should have a life span of 50 to 100 years if kept dry and cared for. I have had solid wood floors [installed them myself] and I've had engineered wood floors.. I've always found the engineered wood to look cheap and beaten after a couple years, regardless of how carefully it was cared for... solid wood, however just gathered a nice patina that said.. I'm solid wood and I look it. At one time, I owned 42 rentals, all of which I rehabbed and rented.. I used engineered wood floors in a lot in them, and regretted it when I sold them.. renters are hard use and it showed. Sort of the acid test. My vote would be tile and solid oak. Refinish existing, replace carpet with new solid wood. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
I filled up @ $3.21 last week (Montgomery County, MD), but the price is now $3.33. Credit card sale.. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:34 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curt wrote: TDI will do better faster. My record is 55mpg. Curt Your Beetle might do better up there where everything is downhill and the air is thicker, but down here in the flatlands, My Prius will clean your Beetles clock. (grin) Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4213/8556 - Release Date: 11/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
I thihnk that is jatoba or brazilian cherry, which is what I put down. Very hard. Mine does not have a lot of variability but some. I think what you have is a lower grade than what I got. Do a google but this is where I got mine, both prefinished and unfinished. They ahve a variety of grades and sizes fin/unfin Look at their site. http://hursthardwoods.com/proddetail.php?prod=SOLPFBC5cat=1516 http://hursthardwoods.com/proddetail.php?prod=4CLRJAT Proper care is usually just a dry mop or I think you can use some type of swiffer, you don't want it really wet. --R On 11/12/14 11:54 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Since we're on the subject of floors, part of my home is floored with Brazilian Redwood, which is intersting because no two planks are alike so it has a quite distincitive look. The rest of the floors are either faux oak or real oak. Anyone have any experience with proper care for the Brazilian stuff, or a good place to buy more? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
I find thjis fascinating. Potentially solves the problem of transporting those humongous towers to wind farm sites. http://phys.org/news/2014-11-on-site-fabrication-taller-turbines-feasible.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes re-names everything
MB is re-naming everything again, though it looks to be more drastic this time. Maybe we'll get used to it some day? I do understand the need with many more types of power plants now - gasoline, Diesel, electric, hybrid, fuel cell, etc. http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/mercedes-confirms-nomenclature-change-maybach-s600-for-la/ar-AA7Canw -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Grandpa Takes The Kids To The Movies
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:04:12 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: For those of you who served, “thank you.” http://www.youtube.com/v/AgYLr_LfhLo?version=3hl=en_USrel=0 PLEASE Watch this - it’s less than 5 minutes!! Shirley and I watched it. She said it was great. I agree. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:25:37 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I find thjis fascinating. Potentially solves the problem of transporting those humongous towers to wind farm sites. http://phys.org/news/2014-11-on-site-fabrication-taller-turbines-feasible.html I find thjis fascinating, too. But it begs the question, if you can, should you? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes re-names everything
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:50:21 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: MB is re-naming everything again, though it looks to be more drastic this time. Maybe we'll get used to it some day? I do understand the need with many more types of power plants now - gasoline, Diesel, electric, hybrid, fuel cell, etc. http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/mercedes-confirms-nomenclature-change-maybach-s600-for-la/ar-AA7Canw Too bad they reduced the size of the pictures to where they are nearly illegible. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
They claim that wind energy in the mid-west is on parity with natural gas generated electricity now, and could be elsewhere with the taller towers. However, my electricity supplier (OGE) still charges a premium to sign up for wind generated electricity. They (OGE) are claiming that wind is saving money for all it's customers, yet you pay more for it - go figure. From their web site ( http://www.oge.com/environment/WindPower/Pages/BenefitsFAQs.aspx): I still think that Thorium nuclear energy is the way to go. As an example, for a typical OGE homeowner using about 12,000 kWh a year wind power charges would be: *Level* *Subscription* *Monthly Charge* A-25% 3,000 kWh $1.13 per month B-50% 6,000 kWh $2.00 per month C-100% 12,000 kWh $3.50 per month On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:25:37 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I find thjis fascinating. Potentially solves the problem of transporting those humongous towers to wind farm sites. http://phys.org/news/2014-11-on-site-fabrication-taller-turbines-feasible.html I find thjis fascinating, too. But it begs the question, if you can, should you? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Yeah, wind energy is awesome. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:25:37 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I find thjis fascinating. Potentially solves the problem of transporting those humongous towers to wind farm sites. http://phys.org/news/2014-11-on-site-fabrication-taller-turbines-feasible.html I find thjis fascinating, too. But it begs the question, if you can, should you? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Maybe more expensive now, but in the future should be at par or cheaper with fossil fuel power. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, wind energy is awesome. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:25:37 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I find thjis fascinating. Potentially solves the problem of transporting those humongous towers to wind farm sites. http://phys.org/news/2014-11-on-site-fabrication-taller-turbines-feasible.html I find thjis fascinating, too. But it begs the question, if you can, should you? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Thanks to all for the input, and Rich thanks for the offer of the nail gun - I will probably take you up on that. Regarding keeping the existing oak floor, COMHOMELANT (aka SWMBO, aka Chairman of the Finance Committee) would really like something like maple, hickory, birch, or ash. Oak is not preferred, she likes something with less grain and very light in color. We passed on a lot of pre-finished solid oak flooring that was less than $4 per square foot (SF), and we are strongly leaning toward a maple floor at $5 per SF. Also, I do not want the mess and smell of sanding and finishing. Nail it down and be done, that sounds the way to go to me. It is a shame to take up a perfectly good floor, but it's required to meet the goal (only two types of flooring - tile and wood - our home has an open floor plan). - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List
USAF Feb '57 - Nov '81 Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 23:09:37 -0500 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, indeed! And back to the original point of this thread: We do have several veterans on the list. As a matter of curiosity, who are you? In what branch did you serve or are you serving? What dates? When were you in the USAF, Wilton? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:38:54 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I made my own from logs on the place when I built my house. 3 big red oak logs. Got em sawed, dried em, air dried the lumber for a few years, then planed and milled the TG on a radial arm saw. (anyone remember them? They used to be quite popular) I still have and use the DeWalt commercial radial arm saw I purchased used 32 years ago (not quite up to Wilton's 42 years, but ... ). I even have the molding head I bought from Sears and the guard I bought at a garage sale. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Congress needs to pass legisation that mandates winds to blow 24/7/365. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:07:29 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: They claim that wind energy in the mid-west is on parity with natural gas generated electricity now, and could be elsewhere with the taller towers. Ah, yes, there's the rub. For the amount of electricity it generates, wind energy IS cost-effective with natural gas. HOWEVER, whenever the wind stops, something will have to supply the energy that wind was, or the grid will collapse and everyone will be in the dark. Keeping that something in standby costs money and the cost cannot be avoided just because wind powered energy sources exist. Legislation should be passed that requires wind-energy sites to provide a constant amount of power 24/7/365. This will allow other, less-efficient sites to be moth-balled or torn down. This will require on-site storage or a backup system, just like the solar-tower system in the Mojave desert north of Los Angeles has. When the sun isn't shining, the site generates electricity from natural gas. However, my electricity supplier (OGE) still charges a premium to sign up for wind generated electricity. They (OGE) are claiming that wind is saving money for all it's customers, yet you pay more for it - go figure. From their web site ( http://www.oge.com/environment/WindPower/Pages/BenefitsFAQs.aspx): [reformatted to be readable] As an example, for a typical OGE homeowner using about 12,000 kWh a year wind power charges would be: *Level* *Subscription* *Monthly Charge* A-25% 3,000 kWh $1.13 per month B-50% 6,000 kWh $2.00 per month C-100%12,000 kWh $3.50 per month The website also says, === We offer four different use levels of wind power RECs. You will be billed at your selected level for 12 months. Level Percent Of Annual kWh Usage REC Price Per kWh A 25% $0.0045 per kWh B 50% $0.0040 per kWh C 100%$0.0035 per kWh === But from the website, it's not clear whether this price is what you are charged for the electricity (although this is my first intrepretation) or charged in addition to the standard electricity charge. I called the customer service number (800.272.9741) to ask, but the system said, We are currently experiencing long hold times, so I hung up. In Los Alamos, we are charged about $ 0.10 per kWh. Having charges of less than half that would be an advantage. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:09:26 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe more expensive now, but in the future should be at par or cheaper with fossil fuel power. But you have to figure in the cost of a standby system to take up the slack when the wind stops blowing ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Back to Guns
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I think it was discussed previously that a good first pistol for the boy might be a Ruger Mark III. it may have been mentioned, but I was wondering if the Ruger 22/45 might be a good choice to start with since it has the same characteristics of a .45, too. MKIII is all metal, grip angle of a WWII Luger. 22/45 MKIII has the barreled action of the MKIII sitting on a plastic grip frame with the grip angle of a WWII M1911. Functionally they should be identical, but the 22/45 is cheaper. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Another update: Rick (tech) installed the new line and road tested the car. Had intermittent hard pedal action, which was cured by pumping. Now he thinks it's a lazy vacuum pump. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Your acumen may have earned you an A**AB*Y. This will be confirmed tomorrow. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Gout an update from my mechanic. Glad your gout is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Paint hides a multitude of sins. Maybe you can put a coat on the stair parts, The choice of wood engineered floor presents a host of questions. Cheap end floor or the more expensive stuff. Some of the really high end laminate is of the same durability of solid wood. Solid wood does require more extensive install process and post install finishing. I would say use at least a three coat process for long life. There is also all the upkeep and normal work that the old fashion floors needed. I think a real wood floor is best in a classic home. Snap together floor goes in really fast, does not need the acclimation process or the post install finishing. Some of it can even be sanded and refinished once in about 20 years when it gets beat up. It is a floating floor instead of being secured to the underlayment and has a pad to reduce squeaks and such. It is not as forgiving if it gets soaked. The base will warp and fall apart. clay On Nov 12, 2014, at 4:58 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I'll bet at least one person on this list has an opinion on the topic. Pros and Cons for pre-finished solid wood flooring vs engineered? We're trying to keep the price at $6 / square foot or less, but willing to exceed that if necessary. Major consideration: The new floor must stand up to the weight of three pianos, two uprights and one baby grand. No dogs in the house, just humans and cats. We are trying to decide on new flooring for our downstairs. We've got tile in the kitchen, which we love and aren't going to change. The entryway and connected hallway (and two closets and a half-bathroom) have a solid wood oak floor, 20 years old now but holding up nicely. The rest of the downstairs is carpet, which we hate and it MUST GO. So we've pretty much decided that we'll replace all the carpet and the existing oak floor with new wood. We'd really like to have only two different types of flooring downstairs (tile and wood). The stairwell is carpeted, and ideally that is the only place we'll keep carpeting. However, the bannisters and faux stair edges are in oak to match the entryway. I think we can live with a mis-match between stairs and new wood flooring. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List
Addison USAFJuly 1957-July 1981 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List Date: November 11, 2014 10:12:10 PM PST To: 'Craig' diese...@pisquared.net, 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Scott USAF 1969-1994 -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Veterans on the List We do have several veterans on the list. As a matter of curiosity, who are you? In what branch did you serve or are you serving? What dates? Here is what I know; you will have to edit and add the rest. Craig Craig USAF1971-1975 WiltonUSAF Max USN Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:07:29 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: HOWEVER, whenever the wind stops, something will have to supply the energy that wind was, or the grid will collapse and everyone will be in the dark. Keeping that something in standby costs money and the cost cannot be avoided just because wind powered energy sources exist. The wind energy is supplemental now -- Legislation should be passed that requires wind-energy sites to provide a constant amount of power 24/7/365. This will allow other, less-efficient sites to be moth-balled or torn down. The website also says, === We offer four different use levels of wind power RECs. You will be billed at your selected level for 12 months. Level Percent Of Annual kWh Usage REC Price Per kWh A 25% $0.0045 per kWh B 50% $0.0040 per kWh C 100%$0.0035 per kWh === But from the website, it's not clear whether this price is what you are charged for the electricity (although this is my first intrepretation) or charged in addition to the standard electricity charge. These are additions to the basic rate. My last bill came to $0.1266 per kWH, I would add $0.0035 per kWh for 100% wind, for a total of $0.1301 per kWH. In Los Alamos, we are charged about $ 0.10 per kWh. Having charges of less than half that would be an advantage. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
FYI - my quoted costs are total - all taxes, etc., divided by the kWHs used. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:30 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: These are additions to the basic rate. My last bill came to $0.1266 per kWH, I would add $0.0035 per kWh for 100% wind, for a total of $0.1301 per kWH. In Los Alamos, we are charged about $ 0.10 per kWh. Having charges of less than half that would be an advantage. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] For all you wannabe 3rd-world Big Men
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: http://jalopnik.com/this-is-what-its-like-to-get-shot-at-by-an-ak-47-in-an-1657282179/all I'd like to see Snook try that in his Bimmer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Before Rick throws more parts at it, you may want to make an agreement with him that you will not pay for replacing the vacuum pump if the problem remains after he installs the new pump. In other words, he needs to do some real trouble shooting and diagnose correctly the failed part, rather than fixing by replacing parts. You could have done that yourself, and at a far lower price! - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes re-names everything
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autosluxury/mercedes-confirms-nomenclature-change-maybach-s600-for-la/ar-AA7Canw Glad to hear that MBZ is bringing back the GLC. My brother used to let me practice driving his 1979 GLC Sport when I was 15. I loved that little car. http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-asian/curbside-classic-1981-mazda-glc323-truly-the-greatest-little-car-of-its-time/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Before Rick throws more parts at it, you may want to make an agreement with him that you will not pay for replacing the vacuum pump if the problem remains after he installs the new pump. In other words, he needs to do some real trouble shooting and diagnose correctly the failed part, rather than fixing by replacing parts. You could have done that yourself, and at a far lower price! I was just thinking 'a real mechanic would have diagnosed the whole system before beginning repairs instead of stopping as soon as he found the first bad part'. When Andrew said the hose was plugged solid, I was hoping it was plugged solid in both directions, because plugged solid in only one direction means the check valve works. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] For all you wannabe 3rd-world Big Men
I am impressed that the suit in the car didn't flinch at the first impact. Wonder how many times he practiced... - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] For all you wannabe 3rd-world Big Men
I thought the same thing until I watched it a second time. If you look closely, on the first shot he moves back in the seat slightly but maintains that position for the remaining rounds. Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am impressed that the suit in the car didn't flinch at the first impact. Wonder how many times he practiced... - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Back to Guns
I thought that was the case after closely reading through the specs. I am wondering if their intent is a valid approach, that is, using the 22/45 as a trainer in the sense of getting a shooter accustomed to shooting a 1911 using a smaller caliber gun. I would think that adapting to a new gun would be relatively straightforward, and if later on the owner decides to go with something other than a 1911, they're no better off, right? I would rather spend the money for a more substantial gun. Just trying to think this through... Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I think it was discussed previously that a good first pistol for the boy might be a Ruger Mark III. it may have been mentioned, but I was wondering if the Ruger 22/45 might be a good choice to start with since it has the same characteristics of a .45, too. MKIII is all metal, grip angle of a WWII Luger. 22/45 MKIII has the barreled action of the MKIII sitting on a plastic grip frame with the grip angle of a WWII M1911. Functionally they should be identical, but the 22/45 is cheaper. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Back to Guns
Interesting comparison, Grant. One my son made while we were shooting yesterday Dan Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2014, at 9:29 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: ATTABOY ! I heartily approve of your getting both you and your son instruction time. It will enhance your enjoyment of the sport, increase your comfort and safety as well. Great decision to do that early. Enjoy the sport, I have for many years. For myself, it's much more satisfying to grind a clay target to dust than it is to search for a lost golf ball.. haha.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
The check valve is toast. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Before Rick throws more parts at it, you may want to make an agreement with him that you will not pay for replacing the vacuum pump if the problem remains after he installs the new pump. In other words, he needs to do some real trouble shooting and diagnose correctly the failed part, rather than fixing by replacing parts. You could have done that yourself, and at a far lower price! I was just thinking 'a real mechanic would have diagnosed the whole system before beginning repairs instead of stopping as soon as he found the first bad part'. When Andrew said the hose was plugged solid, I was hoping it was plugged solid in both directions, because plugged solid in only one direction means the check valve works. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Back to Guns
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would rather spend the money for a more substantial gun. Just trying to think this through... I just bought a couple of these: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/11616/ It's not a target grade kit, but for $200 it's pretty good and has some of the best .22LR magazines for the 1911, most of them are plastic. At $130 for the two magazine version it's a steal. (If you want target grade, send Larry Nelson a check for $400 and he'll send you a kit to make a .22 target pistol out of a 1911) Spare GSG mags are $30-40 each, so I'll look the 2 kits over, pick out the best one, and try to sell the other kit with just one mag for $125 or so. Do they have Sportsman's Warehouse in Tampa? http://www.slickguns.com/product/para-1911-expert-stainless-45acp-2-after-100-mir Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Texas has a fairly large installed wind capacity. Trouble is that it is way out in West Texas where the wind blows, kinda far from the loads. Texas is also almost isolated from the national grid. 5 or 6 years ago on New Years Day (I think, might have been NY Eve) the wind machines were cranking along and delivering a lot of power, and sometime in the afternoon the wind stopped. Dead calm from like 30kt just like that. A large megawattage of power just disappeared off the grid. I think there were blackouts in various metro areas as the operators struggled to bring peaking and standby plants on line. This takes a little while, and it is then necessary to reconfigure the grid, etc. So a lot people were without power, it was cold, football games, etc etc. That's the problem with wind, you need a lot of idle capacity sitting around not doing anything for when the wind dies. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/275673/texas-wind-energy-fails-again-robert-bryce And the birds they kill... --R On 11/12/14 1:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Congress needs to pass legisation that mandates winds to blow 24/7/365. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:07:29 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: They claim that wind energy in the mid-west is on parity with natural gas generated electricity now, and could be elsewhere with the taller towers. Ah, yes, there's the rub. For the amount of electricity it generates, wind energy IS cost-effective with natural gas. HOWEVER, whenever the wind stops, something will have to supply the energy that wind was, or the grid will collapse and everyone will be in the dark. Keeping that something in standby costs money and the cost cannot be avoided just because wind powered energy sources exist. Legislation should be passed that requires wind-energy sites to provide a constant amount of power 24/7/365. This will allow other, less-efficient sites to be moth-balled or torn down. This will require on-site storage or a backup system, just like the solar-tower system in the Mojave desert north of Los Angeles has. When the sun isn't shining, the site generates electricity from natural gas. However, my electricity supplier (OGE) still charges a premium to sign up for wind generated electricity. They (OGE) are claiming that wind is saving money for all it's customers, yet you pay more for it - go figure. From their web site ( http://www.oge.com/environment/WindPower/Pages/BenefitsFAQs.aspx): [reformatted to be readable] As an example, for a typical OGE homeowner using about 12,000 kWh a year wind power charges would be: *Level* *Subscription* *Monthly Charge* A-25% 3,000 kWh $1.13 per month B-50% 6,000 kWh $2.00 per month C-100%12,000 kWh $3.50 per month The website also says, === We offer four different use levels of wind power RECs. You will be billed at your selected level for 12 months. Level Percent Of Annual kWh Usage REC Price Per kWh A 25% $0.0045 per kWh B 50% $0.0040 per kWh C 100%$0.0035 per kWh === But from the website, it's not clear whether this price is what you are charged for the electricity (although this is my first intrepretation) or charged in addition to the standard electricity charge. I called the customer service number (800.272.9741) to ask, but the system said, We are currently experiencing long hold times, so I hung up. In Los Alamos, we are charged about $ 0.10 per kWh. Having charges of less than half that would be an advantage. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Texas has a fairly large installed wind capacity. Trouble is that it is way out in West Texas where the wind blows, kinda far from the loads. Texas is also almost isolated from the national grid. 5 or 6 years ago on New Years Day (I think, might have been NY Eve) the wind machines were cranking along and delivering a lot of power, and sometime in the afternoon the wind stopped. Dead calm from like 30kt just like that. A large megawattage of power just disappeared off the grid. I think there were blackouts in various metro areas as the operators struggled to bring peaking and standby plants on line. This takes a little while, and it is then necessary to reconfigure the grid, etc. So a lot people were without power, it was cold, football games, etc etc. That's the problem with wind, you need a lot of idle capacity sitting around not doing anything for when the wind dies. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/275673/texas-wind- energy-fails-again-robert-bryce And the birds they kill... --R On 11/12/14 1:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Congress needs to pass legisation that mandates winds to blow 24/7/365. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:07:29 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: They claim that wind energy in the mid-west is on parity with natural gas generated electricity now, and could be elsewhere with the taller towers. Ah, yes, there's the rub. For the amount of electricity it generates, wind energy IS cost-effective with natural gas. HOWEVER, whenever the wind stops, something will have to supply the energy that wind was, or the grid will collapse and everyone will be in the dark. Keeping that something in standby costs money and the cost cannot be avoided just because wind powered energy sources exist. Legislation should be passed that requires wind-energy sites to provide a constant amount of power 24/7/365. This will allow other, less-efficient sites to be moth-balled or torn down. This will require on-site storage or a backup system, just like the solar-tower system in the Mojave desert north of Los Angeles has. When the sun isn't shining, the site generates electricity from natural gas. However, my electricity supplier (OGE) still charges a premium to sign up for wind generated electricity. They (OGE) are claiming that wind is saving money for all it's customers, yet you pay more for it - go figure. From their web site ( http://www.oge.com/environment/WindPower/Pages/BenefitsFAQs.aspx): [reformatted to be readable] As an example, for a typical OGE homeowner using about 12,000 kWh a year wind power charges would be: *Level* *Subscription* *Monthly Charge* A-25% 3,000 kWh $1.13 per month B-50% 6,000 kWh $2.00 per month C-100%12,000 kWh $3.50 per month The website also says, === We offer four different use levels of wind power RECs. You will be billed at your selected level for 12 months. Level Percent Of Annual kWh Usage REC Price Per kWh A 25% $0.0045 per kWh B 50% $0.0040 per kWh C 100%$0.0035 per kWh === But from the website, it's not clear whether this price is what you are charged for the electricity (although this is my first intrepretation) or charged in addition to the standard electricity charge. I called the customer service number (800.272.9741) to ask, but the system said, We are currently experiencing long hold times, so I hung up. In Los Alamos, we are charged about $ 0.10 per kWh. Having charges of less than half that would be an advantage. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Strictly from the engineering point of view.. we have failed to harness the intestinal gas coming out of Washington, to drive wind turbines.. Unlike natural wind the special political gas wind is endless and does blow 24/7/365. If we just focused on this improved source, wind generated electricity would become practical.. Until then.. my information is that no wind farm has ever yet paid a Return On Investment Profit. I have been following alternate energy very closely since before the great oil embargo of 1973, which kind of lit every ones fires to start with. The wind farm at Banning Beaumont, CA. for example has been in operation since that era.. and to my knowledge has yet to return a profit to investors... except for federal grants which funded it to start with.. it would have been sold for scrap long ago, based on investor return.. Problem is.. wind blows when it blows.. People, on the other hand, want electricity 24/7/365... It's the perfect storm for failure... Until some bright young [or old] person comes up with a way to store electricity, then draw it down when needed, on a huge commercial scale.. dreams of wind power will remain .. well.. dreams.. Mercedes content: If I put a Mercedes star on my ice boat, will it go faster? On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:07:29 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: HOWEVER, whenever the wind stops, something will have to supply the energy that wind was, or the grid will collapse and everyone will be in the dark. Keeping that something in standby costs money and the cost cannot be avoided just because wind powered energy sources exist. The wind energy is supplemental now -- Legislation should be passed that requires wind-energy sites to provide a constant amount of power 24/7/365. This will allow other, less-efficient sites to be moth-balled or torn down. The website also says, === We offer four different use levels of wind power RECs. You will be billed at your selected level for 12 months. Level Percent Of Annual kWh Usage REC Price Per kWh A 25% $0.0045 per kWh B 50% $0.0040 per kWh C 100%$0.0035 per kWh === But from the website, it's not clear whether this price is what you are charged for the electricity (although this is my first intrepretation) or charged in addition to the standard electricity charge. These are additions to the basic rate. My last bill came to $0.1266 per kWH, I would add $0.0035 per kWh for 100% wind, for a total of $0.1301 per kWH. In Los Alamos, we are charged about $ 0.10 per kWh. Having charges of less than half that would be an advantage. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Original Message From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered Regarding keeping the existing oak floor, COMHOMELANT (aka SWMBO, aka Chairman of the Finance Committee) would really like something like maple, hickory, birch, or ash. Oak is not preferred, she likes something with less grain and very light in color. It is a shame to take up a perfectly good floor, but it's required to meet the goal (only two types of flooring - tile and wood - our home has an open floor plan). My first thoughts on the matter were the same as Grant's. Have the oak refinished, and contract someone to install more oak. However, if THE boss says no, then another tack needs to be taken. First of all, PLEASE Salvage the oak. Have someone or yourself pull it without turning it into toothpicks. My lighter alternative to oak would be bamboo. It has tight grain, is light, and should be inexpensive, compared to hard woods like maple, birch, alder, and ash. Hickory is a bit darker. The link is just for an example, I have not ordered from there. http://www.calibamboo.com/bambooflooring.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
In Texas they call that gas. Texas has the largest installed base of wind though, which is something given the state's reputation for the all bidness. --R On 11/12/14 4:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Texas has a fairly large installed wind capacity. Trouble is that it is way out in West Texas where the wind blows, kinda far from the loads. Texas is also almost isolated from the national grid. 5 or 6 years ago on New Years Day (I think, might have been NY Eve) the wind machines were cranking along and delivering a lot of power, and sometime in the afternoon the wind stopped. Dead calm from like 30kt just like that. A large megawattage of power just disappeared off the grid. I think there were blackouts in various metro areas as the operators struggled to bring peaking and standby plants on line. This takes a little while, and it is then necessary to reconfigure the grid, etc. So a lot people were without power, it was cold, football games, etc etc. That's the problem with wind, you need a lot of idle capacity sitting around not doing anything for when the wind dies. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/275673/texas-wind-energy-fails-again-robert-bryce And the birds they kill... --R On 11/12/14 1:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Congress needs to pass legisation that mandates winds to blow 24/7/365. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:07:29 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com mailto:okd...@gmail.com wrote: They claim that wind energy in the mid-west is on parity with natural gas generated electricity now, and could be elsewhere with the taller towers. Ah, yes, there's the rub. For the amount of electricity it generates, wind energy IS cost-effective with natural gas. HOWEVER, whenever the wind stops, something will have to supply the energy that wind was, or the grid will collapse and everyone will be in the dark. Keeping that something in standby costs money and the cost cannot be avoided just because wind powered energy sources exist. Legislation should be passed that requires wind-energy sites to provide a constant amount of power 24/7/365. This will allow other, less-efficient sites to be moth-balled or torn down. This will require on-site storage or a backup system, just like the solar-tower system in the Mojave desert north of Los Angeles has. When the sun isn't shining, the site generates electricity from natural gas. However, my electricity supplier (OGE) still charges a premium to sign up for wind generated electricity. They (OGE) are claiming that wind is saving money for all it's customers, yet you pay more for it - go figure. From their web site ( http://www.oge.com/environment/WindPower/Pages/BenefitsFAQs.aspx): [reformatted to be readable] As an example, for a typical OGE homeowner using about 12,000 kWh a year wind power charges would be: *Level* *Subscription* *Monthly Charge* A-25% 3,000 kWh $1.13 per month B-50% 6,000 kWh $2.00 per month C-100%12,000 kWh $3.50 per month The website also says, === We offer four different use levels of wind power RECs. You will be billed at your selected level for 12 months. Level Percent Of Annual kWh Usage REC Price Per kWh A 25% $0.0045 per kWh B 50% $0.0040 per kWh C 100%$0.0035 per kWh === But from the website, it's not clear whether this price is what you are charged for the electricity (although this is my first intrepretation) or charged in addition to the standard electricity
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Which means he does not know what he is doing. --R On 11/12/14 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Another update: Rick (tech) installed the new line and road tested the car. Had intermittent hard pedal action, which was cured by pumping. Now he thinks it's a lazy vacuum pump. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Your acumen may have earned you an A**AB*Y. This will be confirmed tomorrow. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Gout an update from my mechanic. Glad your gout is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:35:10 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mercedes content: If I put a Mercedes star on my ice boat, will it go faster? Sure, just like Wilton's trailer can carry more with its star. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Well, the trailer star generates much more conversation, anyway. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:35:10 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mercedes content: If I put a Mercedes star on my ice boat, will it go faster? Sure, just like Wilton's trailer can carry more with its star. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
Rick, I think there is a local group who recycles wood floors and removal is included, not sure if they are free or cost. Yes, I'm planning to take it up carefully with re-use in mind. Bamboo was considered by the Finance Chair, but the Chief Designer (triple hatted as the aforementioned Chair and COMHOMELANT) ultimately ruled against it. The colors and texture are good, but one of the sales guys claimed that it cannot be sanded and re-finished. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Nov 12, 2014 4:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered Regarding keeping the existing oak floor, COMHOMELANT (aka SWMBO, aka Chairman of the Finance Committee) would really like something like maple, hickory, birch, or ash. Oak is not preferred, she likes something with less grain and very light in color. It is a shame to take up a perfectly good floor, but it's required to meet the goal (only two types of flooring - tile and wood - our home has an open floor plan). My first thoughts on the matter were the same as Grant's. Have the oak refinished, and contract someone to install more oak. However, if THE boss says no, then another tack needs to be taken. First of all, PLEASE Salvage the oak. Have someone or yourself pull it without turning it into toothpicks. My lighter alternative to oak would be bamboo. It has tight grain, is light, and should be inexpensive, compared to hard woods like maple, birch, alder, and ash. Hickory is a bit darker. The link is just for an example, I have not ordered from there. http://www.calibamboo.com/bambooflooring.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
G Mann via Mercedes wrote: The wind farm at Banning Beaumont, CA. for example has been in operation since that era.. and to my knowledge has yet to return a profit to investors... except for federal grants which funded it to start with.. it would have been sold for scrap long ago, based on investor return.. Personally, I was excited when I saw that good quality solar panels were less than a dollar a rated watt, as my electric cost is above average (.1441 per kwh, inclusive of tax). Then I did the math. Barebones system, DIY, about $3/watt. Therefore at least $3000 per rated kW, which would produce about 4kWh per day. $0.58 per day, $210 per year, is not a stellar return on $3000 upfront plus maintenance costs, assuming I could get net metering. For my location, wind is probably a good bit worse than solar. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT computer virus which corrupts contact list?
ITunes sucks, windows or Mac. Maybe it sucks a little worse on windows... Its much of why I went away from the iPhone. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The Brakes that WON'T - 1983 300TD
Take it to Randy in Silver Spring. 301-585-6464. On Nov 12, 2014 2:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Which means he does not know what he is doing. --R On 11/12/14 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Another update: Rick (tech) installed the new line and road tested the car. Had intermittent hard pedal action, which was cured by pumping. Now he thinks it's a lazy vacuum pump. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Your acumen may have earned you an A**AB*Y. This will be confirmed tomorrow. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Gout an update from my mechanic. Glad your gout is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Monark Nozzles from TechnikExpert
You probably don't want to hear it but Mark already has my injectors and bosio nozzles and promises to have them back to me by next week. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
We almost never see more than $0.50 spread which considering how much more you spent on your Prius than I spent on the Jetta will but a helluva lot of fuel... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
There is a girl runs the recycle warehouse who does the recovery. I would come help you, won't take that long with a coupla good-sized crowbars. I looked into bamboo for the loft, liked it and so did management, but prices were all over the map. I saw some mixed reviews on durability of the finish. Went with the pre-finished jatoba, which I'm happy with. I'd go with prefinished maple in a wider board, 4 or 5 if you want quick and durable, but unfinished will provide a bit better uniformity with more work. --R On 11/12/14 5:37 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Rick, I think there is a local group who recycles wood floors and removal is included, not sure if they are free or cost. Yes, I'm planning to take it up carefully with re-use in mind. Bamboo was considered by the Finance Chair, but the Chief Designer (triple hatted as the aforementioned Chair and COMHOMELANT) ultimately ruled against it. The colors and texture are good, but one of the sales guys claimed that it cannot be sanded and re-finished. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Nov 12, 2014 4:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered Regarding keeping the existing oak floor, COMHOMELANT (aka SWMBO, aka Chairman of the Finance Committee) would really like something like maple, hickory, birch, or ash. Oak is not preferred, she likes something with less grain and very light in color. It is a shame to take up a perfectly good floor, but it's required to meet the goal (only two types of flooring - tile and wood - our home has an open floor plan). My first thoughts on the matter were the same as Grant's. Have the oak refinished, and contract someone to install more oak. However, if THE boss says no, then another tack needs to be taken. First of all, PLEASE Salvage the oak. Have someone or yourself pull it without turning it into toothpicks. My lighter alternative to oak would be bamboo. It has tight grain, is light, and should be inexpensive, compared to hard woods like maple, birch, alder, and ash. Hickory is a bit darker. The link is just for an example, I have not ordered from there. http://www.calibamboo.com/bambooflooring.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
The local utility (TECO) has fought solar for years, which is stupid because in our area it almost makes sense. They recently bowed to pressure from many sides and now offer some credits, but they are very limited and are tough to get. There is effectively a lottery for them every year and if you don’t get in, it doesn’t make good fiscal sense to do it. I looked at it a little, and it would only make sense if I was sure I would stay in or own the house for another 20 years. The minute I sell all of that savings goes away and I have to pony up the costs. The only really good alternative energy program I have seen (so far) that had a good payback and made sense was geothermal. We looked very seriously at it when we lived in Indiana, and had our financial situation not been so tenuous (the economy was in the dumper and the wife had been laid off twice) we would have done it. Total cost for a geothermal system for our 4000 sf house would have been about $19,000. State and Federal credits would get that down to about $11,000 on the total cost in one time credits. State of Indiana had a tax credit program for participants that effectively “forgave” state property tax on the house as long as you owned it and the system was operational. Operating costs would have been around $100/month in peak months, which would be winter and mid summer (AC) months. Worst case, $1200/year in costs. Our heating (natural gas) and AC (electricity) costs were around $3000/year. With these numbers we could have recovered our costs in under 10 years. Life of the system was projected at 20-25 years. This was all based on existing systems that had been in place in the immediate area for 5-7 years, so the numbers weren’t guesstimates, and the installer was a local contractor who had been doing these systems for 10 years. Dan On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: G Mann via Mercedes wrote: The wind farm at Banning Beaumont, CA. for example has been in operation since that era.. and to my knowledge has yet to return a profit to investors... except for federal grants which funded it to start with.. it would have been sold for scrap long ago, based on investor return.. Personally, I was excited when I saw that good quality solar panels were less than a dollar a rated watt, as my electric cost is above average (.1441 per kwh, inclusive of tax). Then I did the math. Barebones system, DIY, about $3/watt. Therefore at least $3000 per rated kW, which would produce about 4kWh per day. $0.58 per day, $210 per year, is not a stellar return on $3000 upfront plus maintenance costs, assuming I could get net metering. For my location, wind is probably a good bit worse than solar. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
As long as the towers are at least 1000 miles away form MY home Yeah, wind energy is awesome. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:25:37 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I find thjis fascinating. Potentially solves the problem of transporting those humongous towers to wind farm sites. http://phys.org/news/2014-11-on-site-fabrication-taller-turbines-feasible.html I find thjis fascinating, too. But it begs the question, if you can, should you? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
I still don't understand why the vast majority of stupid American cows in the herd can't see this. A small engined diesel powered car will outperform a Priapism on all fronts yet they still buy priapisms. Argh!! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah around town... Let's go from Florida to New England and back. My TDI will stomp a Prius for mileage, speed, comfort and price... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:02 PM To: Mercedes; Rick Knoble Reply To: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered Rick, I think there is a local group who recycles wood floors and removal is included, not sure if they are free or cost. Yes, I'm planning to take it up carefully with re-use in mind. That's great. Bamboo was considered by the Finance Chair, but the Chief Designer (triple hatted as the aforementioned Chair and COMHOMELANT) ultimately ruled against it. Too bad. The colors and texture are good, but one of the sales guys claimed that it cannot be sanded and re-finished. If the finish lasts 35-50 years as some warranties suggest, who cares? SWMBO WILL change her mind on the flooring in 30 years. The salesman gets less commission on the bamboo... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Only when the wind blows As for cost: every MW of wind has to have a MW of real generator sitting somewhere for energy when the wind don't blow. Maybe more expensive now, but in the future should be at par or cheaper with fossil fuel power. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
TO: COMHOMELANT From: COMMIDAM SUBJECT: Deciduous Decking Date: 12 Nov, 2014 18:00 Hrs COMHOMELANT, The current quercus rubra deciduous decking must be handled as follows: 1. thoroughly swab the deck with descending grits of aluminum oxide until all old finish is removed. 2. remove all residue from step one with skivvies saturated with turps. 3. Observe the color of the newly swabbed deck. 4. If the newly swabbed deck is not light enough in color, take fresh skivvies and swab with white paint (as used for painting on the ship's identity numbers) 5. before the paint is dry, enlist ship's crew to take more fresh skivvies and swab the deck until the COMHOMELANT approved color is reached. 6. Give the poor swabbies a break while the paint dries. 7. Swab the deck with Varithane floor polyurethane using lambswool swabs 8. Repeat step 7 per instructions on the Varithane can 9. Give the swabbies grub and grog while the Varithane dries. 10. Report results to COMMIDAM Thanks to all for the input, and Rich thanks for the offer of the nail gun - I will probably take you up on that. Regarding keeping the existing oak floor, COMHOMELANT (aka SWMBO, aka Chairman of the Finance Committee) would really like something like maple, hickory, birch, or ash. Oak is not preferred, she likes something with less grain and very light in color. We passed on a lot of pre-finished solid oak flooring that was less than $4 per square foot (SF), and we are strongly leaning toward a maple floor at $5 per SF. Also, I do not want the mess and smell of sanding and finishing. Nail it down and be done, that sounds the way to go to me. It is a shame to take up a perfectly good floor, but it's required to meet the goal (only two types of flooring - tile and wood - our home has an open floor plan). - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Veterans on the List
Grant wrote: All said... myself included... some member or members of my family have been present in uniform at every dustup America has been in since 1776. Well then... add your name to the list. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
We gotta dump the idea of 24/7 energy. Use it when it is there, figure it out when it is not. That takes ingenuity. 24/7 takes no ingenuity. Centralized power distro is stupid. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Monark Nozzles from TechnikExpert
I'm planning to do before and after power testing with an app like Droid Racr. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power. But the fact remains that you want the towers 1000 miles away. Even if there were storage, it costs money and energy to move the MW to your house. Do you want high voltage transmission lines (Hi-line) running over YOUR house? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
Curt wrote: We almost never see more than $0.50 spread which considering how much more you spent on your Prius than I spent on the Jetta will but a helluva lot of fuel... To be honest, if I were a few years younger I would probably have bought a used Jetta diesel or even driven my '83 300D on long trips and repaired them myself if they broke down, but at my age I wanted a car that got 40+ mpg on the highway, had an extended warranty, a large number of dealers nationwide, and a very good repair record. Also, since the car will mostly be used locally, the 50+ mpg/city of the Prius made it the best choice. If a person is lucky enough to have more money than time left to spend it when they retire, the price of their car is not the most important factor. There are some things I don't like about the Prius (their seats might as well have been made of wooden boards), and the drivers space is cramped. Since the resale price for clean Prius' is one of the highest, I might wind up with a different car entirely. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Do tell more. What are these storage technologies and who is developing them? -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:11 PM They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Wood Floors - solid wood vs. engineered
AF designation would be CINCHOME. 'Hope all are well. ;) Civvy interpretation would be Complainer In Chief, Home? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Craig's New Ride
Yabut we wine drinkin', cheese eatin', ancient yuppies also care about the environment, global warming, little owls, rare mice, and EPA bureaucrats; so we buy Prius' and blow your smelly old diesels off the road. [:o) Gerry dseretakis wrote: I still don't understand why the vast majority of stupid American cows in the herd can't see this. A small engined diesel powered car will outperform a Priapism on all fronts yet they still buy priapisms. Argh!! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah around town... Let's go from Florida to New England and back. My TDI will stomp a Prius for mileage, speed, comfort and price... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4213/8562 - Release Date: 11/12/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] A lot of worry for nuttin'
I got the Frankenheap (the poor trashed thing) re-licensed today. There was a $30 or so additional fee to resurrect the title after the totaling, but otherwise nothing special. WA doesn't use a salvaged/rebuilt title (so she said) unless the repairs exceed about $6k or so, which is far from the case here. So at the moment I'm around $1900 ahead of the game. If we don't count the PITA factor. (Which I certainly do!) Looks like I'm going to get at least another year out of the poor thing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Back to Guns
No Sportsman’s Warehouse in Florida. Closest thing would be Dick’s, although we do have a Bass Pro Shop under construction that our worthless County Commission gave $12M in tax incentives to locate here. And Dick’s doesn’t sell handguns to the best of my knowledge. 4 months later BPS announced a new location about 30 miles away. Part of their pitch to the County was how BPS is a “destination” retailer and that the closest one was in Orlando, over an hour away. Suckers. Dan On Nov 12, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Back to Guns
Original Message From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:44 PM To: Mercedes List Reply To: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Back to Guns No Sportsman’s Warehouse in Florida. Closest thing would be Dick’s Do you have Cabela's, or Gander Mountain? They have a good selection of firearms around here. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The force of a star - was OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
G wrote: Mercedes content: If I put a Mercedes star on my ice boat, will it go faster? Yes! Of course it will! But - where are you using an ice boat? On the frozen sunshine on the back 40? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] First Bus in History
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Zzz-1stBus.jpg/220px-Zzz-1stBus.jpg The first bus in history was manufactured, in part, by Mercedes Benz. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Batteries, molten salt, and ice. Compressed air some day. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do tell more. What are these storage technologies and who is developing them? -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:11 PM They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
I've followed all those possible storage modalities and I don't see great progress with them. A battery bank capable of supplying 20 Megawatt power to power a small city would consume days of wind energy to produce electricity to store... you enter the land of diminishing return quickly. Molten salt requires electric current to heat to useful working temperatures.. again with wind power.. how much the wind blows to produce heating electric vs how long you can store heat at working temp.. again.. diminishing returns.. Compressed air takes energy to compress, storage facilitys to hold it.. to run what is in effect a steam turbine [with no steam expansion] ... ¿¿ Return on investment on that seems sketchy. Unless some really wonderful invention has been made to overcome the incipient short comings of these, I don't see great moves in the near future.. Please edumacate me. Grant... On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Batteries, molten salt, and ice. Compressed air some day. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do tell more. What are these storage technologies and who is developing them? -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:11 PM They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
I've followed all those possible storage modalities and I don't see great progress with them. all in the realm of the perpetual motion machine, or the alchemist turning water or lead into gold. But! Wait! There more! Algore turns lies into money. That works! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
This is the answer to the US electrical needs of the future. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21600656-thorium-element-named-after-norse-god-thunder-may-soon-contribute And once again we will be beaten by the Chinese. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026863/china-going-for-broke-on-thorium-nuclear-power-and-good-luck-to-them/ Of course thorium reactors do NOT Produce weapons grade anything, so our government has no interest in it whatsoever. Also, the waste decays in centuries and not 10 to the nth power years. With young adults in college as smart as this video shows, (if it isn't a parody) we are pretty much screwed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRZZpk_9k8Esns=em Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
One of the option out west, were there are big rivers and some dams, the excess wind power sucks water back up the dam and stuffs it into the water hole it just came out of. THe electrons were not going to get to go on the grid anyway, and the little fishies get to play in the water for a few more days. It also helps keep the irrigation water stored for later use clay On Nov 12, 2014, at 7:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I've followed all those possible storage modalities and I don't see great progress with them. A battery bank capable of supplying 20 Megawatt power to power a small city would consume days of wind energy to produce electricity to store... you enter the land of diminishing return quickly. Molten salt requires electric current to heat to useful working temperatures.. again with wind power.. how much the wind blows to produce heating electric vs how long you can store heat at working temp.. again.. diminishing returns.. Compressed air takes energy to compress, storage facilitys to hold it.. to run what is in effect a steam turbine [with no steam expansion] ... ¿¿ Return on investment on that seems sketchy. Unless some really wonderful invention has been made to overcome the incipient short comings of these, I don't see great moves in the near future.. Please edumacate me. Grant... On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Batteries, molten salt, and ice. Compressed air some day. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do tell more. What are these storage technologies and who is developing them? -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:11 PM They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind turbines
Back when wind was big the first time due to tax subsidies (MEOW as Jimmuh called it), I was tasked to study something called a superconducting magnetic energy storage system. This is basically a large supercooled metal donut into which electrical energy is injected, then it keeps flowing until pulled out. A very cold battery. I created a software simulation and ran various scenarios which basically showed it would not work, despite it seeming to be a good idea. Physics. Most such schemes try to violate The Laws even when they can be bent a bit with various clever tricks. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Nov 12, 2014, at 11:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've followed all those possible storage modalities and I don't see great progress with them. A battery bank capable of supplying 20 Megawatt power to power a small city would consume days of wind energy to produce electricity to store... you enter the land of diminishing return quickly. Molten salt requires electric current to heat to useful working temperatures.. again with wind power.. how much the wind blows to produce heating electric vs how long you can store heat at working temp.. again.. diminishing returns.. Compressed air takes energy to compress, storage facilitys to hold it.. to run what is in effect a steam turbine [with no steam expansion] ... ¿¿ Return on investment on that seems sketchy. Unless some really wonderful invention has been made to overcome the incipient short comings of these, I don't see great moves in the near future.. Please edumacate me. Grant... On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Batteries, molten salt, and ice. Compressed air some day. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do tell more. What are these storage technologies and who is developing them? -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:11 PM They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
