Re: [MBZ] Facts
DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Usually they're legal guns obtained illegally, usually from family. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
Well, I will assume you are all granted immortality by consuming this special broth unless you personally advise me otherwise. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:48:03 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, it seems like the cooled broth is more gelatinous when I have added the vinegar. I confess I don't understand the chemistry of that. Perhaps the acid facilitates dissolving of the cartilage and connective tissue too. Is the vinegar taste evident in the finished product? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
But the point is that the people who are shot and killed are still dead so to them it really makes little difference whether the gun was legally obtained or not. RB On 04/03/2015 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Of course it does. In the wake of a shooting you get all the chowderheads that thing new laws will prevent future shootings which they don't:A. Shooters don't care that they're breaking the law orB. The gun was legal anyway. -Curt Does it truly matter? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Facts
I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Big engine parts?
And pre-heating the manifold and I think, maybe cooling it slowly afterwards. RB On 03/03/2015 10:36 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: I'd weld a cast iron manifold. Grind a v along the crack. Get SS rod, and whale away. THe trick is using the SS rod on a stick welder. Which makes me think its actually the exhaust manifold. There was great comment in the meeting over the possibility of welding cast iron. One guy, a professional welder, says he does it all the time so they're going to try welding first. -Curt From: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Big engine parts? Welding cast aluminum (assuming that intake is aluminum) is a real art. A friend of mine welded a broken ear back onto an OM603 intake I had, it was a rather involved process. He'd never done that sort of thing, wanted the challenge, spent some time researching before he attempted it. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Columbine and the Colorado theater thing were both guns kids took from their parent's. There was another one I can't remember the name of where the parents had given the kid a gun to teach him responsibility which is backwards, the gun should be a reward for showing responsibility... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Is that a hunch? IIRC the Va Tech killer purchased his legally. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Usually they're legal guns obtained illegally, usually from family. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Lets put this one to rest finally please. It has a history of a head problem which was shown by overheating. Prior to the head problems it DID NOT OVERHEAT. There is no long term history of overheating before the head problem. True the head problem was caused by an overheat but we know the root cause of that overheat, a radiator hose clamp broke and the coolant fell out of the engine, no mystery there. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info On 03/03/2015 7:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Why is there a hurry to do more work? If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. But with performance as it stands now, drive it? mao It has a history of overheating. If one is prepared to gamble and potentially sacrifice the engine, then no problem. If one truly wants to avoid such a catastrophe, then one probably ought not to drive it much until the issue is resolved. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Theres been a lot of history tossed around thats been incorrect, some people have even suggested that I never drove the car but somehow got it after the problem developed which is totally incorrect. I wanted to remind the group again that the problem whatever it is, is still a relatively recent phenomena. Yes relatively recent, we're talking about nearly a 3 year saga here but the car sat with nothing happening for most of that time. The original overheat that started everything would have been December 2012, the beginning of the problem was April 2013 as was HeadgasketQ. I didn't touch the car from September 2013 when I got the Jetta until November 2014 when I delivered it to Dimitri. Now that I write that out, the ease that I had in starting it in November 2014 is kind of startling. I charged the battery, cleaned the occasionally sticky IP linkages (good thing too, they were stuck), held the glowplug button for 60 seconds, hit the go pedal three times, cranked for maybe 10 seconds and it was running. It wouldn't idle for another maybe 10 seconds but after that it was good. Oh, I had to add some air to the tires too and bounce against the stuck brakes (or whatever) a couple times before it would actually move... -Curt From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info Mountain Man wrote: Why is there a hurry to do more work? Randy Bennell wrote: It has a history of overheating. If one is prepared to gamble and potentially sacrifice the engine, then no problem. Curt wrote: Lets put this one to rest finally please. It has a history of a head problem which was shown by overheating. Prior to the head problems it DID NOT OVERHEAT. But the symptom - and even the email _subject_ - is overheating again, and again, and again, and again. That, by definition, is a history of overheating. The _cause_ is yet unproven. Say all you want about no history of overheating - the complaint I keep reading is It overheated again. NOW it DOES hava a history of overheating. Sorry! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 1:05 PM Subject: [MBZ] Facts I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
My niece, for reasons I will not go into, had fairly direct knowledge of that situation and would say you are incorrect in your characterization of it. It was mostly a political hack job. --R On 3/4/15 1:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Computenmachine ?
For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Mountain Man wrote: Why is there a hurry to do more work? Randy Bennell wrote: It has a history of overheating. If one is prepared to gamble and potentially sacrifice the engine, then no problem. Curt wrote: Lets put this one to rest finally please. It has a history of a head problem which was shown by overheating. Prior to the head problems it DID NOT OVERHEAT. But the symptom - and even the email _subject_ - is overheating again, and again, and again, and again. That, by definition, is a history of overheating. The _cause_ is yet unproven. Say all you want about no history of overheating - the complaint I keep reading is It overheated again. NOW it DOES hava a history of overheating. Sorry! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Mao, rest in peace, was as crazy as a fox. He led China for decades. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Are you saying Mao has mental problems and needs help? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Is that true? Apparently, the leak came from Armitage (and others?) who were never charged. Libby was convicted of lying to investigators in an attempt to cover it up. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
Yup, the device you want is called a KVM (keyboard, video, mouse).I have an older version of this one:http://www.amazon.com/IOGEAR-Cable-Switch-Audio-GCS72U/dp/B002K0TU2C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1425497858sr=8-2keywords=2+port+KVM -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Are you saying Mao has mental problems and needs help? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I read where he never brushed his teeth, would just swish green tea around. Apparently he could knock a buzzard off a wagon. --R On 3/4/15 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Mao, rest in peace, was as crazy as a fox. He led China for decades. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Facts now Fonts
This looks like fun http://www.wherethesmileshavebeen.com/how-to-turn-your-handwriting-into-a-font-for-free/ Back to work now --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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w On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:00 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, at least he is now opposed to political killings. He is being twice as Transparent as our faithless leader himself. No need for FOIA with Pooter, he will disclose it all. There are no soviet troops in Ukraine, Crimea wanted to become part of the new USSR in a bloodless coup that did not involve soviet troops taking it over, and there is no connection with Tsar Pooter and blowing plaines out of the sky. I have no official email account for the NSA to track clay On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: When Tsar Vladimir is Tsar of all the Russias.Next year, perhaps?Or do I have too little faith in our dear leader. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:31:10 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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And all the Federal criminals who are toking up left and right. Why is the drug gestapo not out rounding them up? All the middle schools are drug free zones but have the most active drug scene in neighborhoods. Maybe the recent move to restrict the sale of 5.56mm or .223 rounds will save all the little drug dealers. Or at least stop hunters from shooting bunnies. clay On Mar 3, 2015, at 9:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Actually, the Tucson shooting of Giffords and the other victims did happen in a gun free zone also.. Apparently, criminals intent of violence and murder don't bother to read the signs. Some time back, I read a rather in-depth and factual piece on the Colorado theater mass murder which listed the shooter as having broken 57 gun laws before arriving at the theater to commit mass murder. All those laws did not deter this individual from breaking them. Also, there is now reasonable evidence which demonstrates the shooter selected the particular theater because it did not allow patrons who had concealed carry permits to have their legally owned and carried weapons inside the theater. Imagine that.. It gives rise to the question, would less people have been harmed if someone had the means to protect themselves and the lives of others. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When Tsar Vladimir is Tsar of all the Russias.Next year, perhaps?Or do I have too little faith in our dear leader. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:31:10 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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We are going to have the biggest and best wild bunnies in the neighborhood this spring. We have been feeding them all winter. Needless to say, my back yard is well fertilized. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fw: Computenmachine ?
- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: clay redgh...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? One is 4 years old; other is 1 year old. Both have VGA, USB and DVI; older one has ps2 for keyboard and mouse, but I have 'em connected to it right now via a common USB adapter. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? KVM will do that. An A/B system that hooks keyboard, mouse, video between two systems so they share. Depending upon age of the machines, you would need ps2 ports and VGA or USB and DVI, maybe monitor port. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:20 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Older in what manner? Does it seem appropriate for the machines I described a few minutes ago to Clay and list? How much for postage? Wilton - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Rich Thomas' richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? I think I have one that is not in use. Wilt is welcome to it if he wishes (and can use this older type) for postage. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What I NEED is something that'll turn my shaky handwriting into readable script! ; Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts This looks like fun http://www.wherethesmileshavebeen.com/how-to-turn-your-handwriting-into-a-font-for-free/ Back to work now --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Snark on Nawww.. we just elect them to a second term as president.. aka ... jennifer flowers, monica lewenski, et al. admitted sexual predator. Complex question with no simple straight line answer, currently... Snark off On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What is the tool/thing sexual violators can be deprived of? We lock them up, but they come out and do it again. No need to source a weapon illegally. Burglars and robbers keep doing the same things as well. Bankers and embezzlers keep screwing people over. Maybe we need to deprive the perpetrators of a chance to repeat. White collar, violent, criminal, property, any criminal, just snuff them out. No need to control bullets, guns, computers, gonads. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes wrote: IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Snark on Nawww.. we just elect them to a second term as president.. aka ... jennifer flowers, monica lewenski, et al. admitted sexual predator. Complex question with no simple straight line answer, currently... Snark off On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What is the tool/thing sexual violators can be deprived of? We lock them up, but they come out and do it again. No need to source a weapon illegally. Burglars and robbers keep doing the same things as well. Bankers and embezzlers keep screwing people over. Maybe we need to deprive the perpetrators of a chance to repeat. White collar, violent, criminal, property, any criminal, just snuff them out. No need to control bullets, guns, computers, gonads. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes wrote: IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Is that a hunch? IIRC the Va Tech killer purchased his legally. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Usually they're legal guns obtained illegally, usually from family. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Kip Kinkel, Oregon youth, boy scout shooting medal, had mental issues as well as behavioral. Kip showed an interest in guns, so his folks thought it would help to support his hobby. Might draw him out and make him more sociable. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Columbine and the Colorado theater thing were both guns kids took from their parent's. There was another one I can't remember the name of where the parents had given the kid a gun to teach him responsibility which is backwards, the gun should be a reward for showing responsibility... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Is that a hunch? IIRC the Va Tech killer purchased his legally. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Usually they're legal guns obtained illegally, usually from family. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shooting that occurred at the mall in Clackamas, OR in December 2012 was stopped by a licensed armed civilian after the shooter had killed 2 and seriously wounded one. The death toll could have been much worse if an armed civilian were not on the scene. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Randy Bennell'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Other than the Giffords shooting, is anyone aware of a mass shooting that was not in a safe gun-free zone? -Original Message- From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:01 PM ... You, and your family enjoy the special American right to be shot down at the mall by some nut who legally purchased an automatic weapon down at the sporting goods store. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Dan, A note of thanks for your even handed moderation of this discussion. I join with you in the assessment that our society needs to give both recognition and attention followed by treatment to individuals who display the potential to harm others. I would be very content to see my tax dollars spent to treat these persons correctly and remove them from access to the means to harm others. In each of the cases of mass murders the after the fact investigation demonstrated the individual had clearly [if anyone had been looking] displayed a rather long history of unhealthy and antisocial behavior. Our social system failed in each case to treat these individuals. This group, I believe, is composed of better than average intelligence individuals, and as such, are both involved and concerned in making the place we live safer and better.. Each of us is an individual with different viewpoints... Thank you for listening to mine.. I would agree with yours.. but then.. we would both be wrong.. ;)) Grant... On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I read where he never brushed his teeth, would just swish green tea around. Apparently he could knock a buzzard off a wagon. --R On 3/4/15 2:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Mao, rest in peace, was as crazy as a fox. He led China for decades. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
KVM will do that. An A/B system that hooks keyboard, mouse, video between two systems so they share. Depending upon age of the machines, you would need ps2 ports and VGA or USB and DVI, maybe monitor port. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:20 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Well, at least he is now opposed to political killings. He is being twice as Transparent as our faithless leader himself. No need for FOIA with Pooter, he will disclose it all. There are no soviet troops in Ukraine, Crimea wanted to become part of the new USSR in a bloodless coup that did not involve soviet troops taking it over, and there is no connection with Tsar Pooter and blowing plaines out of the sky. I have no official email account for the NSA to track clay On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: When Tsar Vladimir is Tsar of all the Russias.Next year, perhaps?Or do I have too little faith in our dear leader. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:31:10 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts From: mercedes@okiebenz.com clay wrote: ...will result in a peace and love utopia for all. I like that. When does it start? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
http://murphyauction.com/Auction/Details/4674 I am thinking of getting a heater and a stove at this place. The Kriss Vector .45 looks sleek clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 04/03/2015 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? Does it truly matter? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
The BRUSHMASTER is the one for you I like the Ruger pistola, those are some nice little plinking arms --R On 3/4/15 3:21 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: http://murphyauction.com/Auction/Details/4674 I am thinking of getting a heater and a stove at this place. The Kriss Vector .45 looks sleek clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 04/03/2015 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: DId those mass murderers obtain their guns legally or illegally? Does it truly matter? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
What is the tool/thing sexual violators can be deprived of? We lock them up, but they come out and do it again. No need to source a weapon illegally. Burglars and robbers keep doing the same things as well. Bankers and embezzlers keep screwing people over. Maybe we need to deprive the perpetrators of a chance to repeat. White collar, violent, criminal, property, any criminal, just snuff them out. No need to control bullets, guns, computers, gonads. clay On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes wrote: IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) On Mar 4, 2015, Dan wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 10:05:28 AM PST I'm not going to intervene unless people get nasty. As long as everyone can agree to disagree and there are no personal attacks I'm OK with things. While I have mixed emotions about gun ownership, I see this as a circular argument that will never go away I also think it points to the serious need for mental health resources being more available to those who need them. Did anyone read about the coed at Oregon who reported a sexual assault, only to have her records shared with the defense attorneys because they fell under the student records laws rather than HIPAA? Or better yet, our selective prosecution where people like David Petreaus who get a slap on the wrist for disclosing secret information while others who did far worse get incarcerated? While I'm not about to renounce my citizenship, I will say this place is messed up. Let the discourse begin. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] WAS Facts - NEW OT Riveting
Airframe and Power plant mechanic so I've driven a few thousand rivets. The rivet gun with a feather trigger permits you to drive the rivet without over driving it.. The stun gun body shop hammer used for cutting metal and such lacks the finer control to drive rivets in aluminum.. I suggest you get some aluminum scraps that are as near the composition to the boats material as you can get and practice driving rivets .. observe what works, and what doesn't.. you also may want to moderate the air pressure to the rivet gun to get the stroke you need to upset the rivet properly.. Also important is the bucking bar you use to back the driver.. how you hold it.. it's weight and surface all play into the compression of the rivet to make it fill the hole and grip the pieces being joined.. HTH... Grant... On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hey, I think I had best stop responding to the gun thread before I offend someone. I am not trying to provoke anyone but hopefully to provide an outsiders view of the issue. In any event I will refrain from any more comments on this issue for the moment. I wouldn't want Dan to have to shut it down. My new OT question relates to riveting. Does anyone have experience in that area? I need to repair a couple of old aluminum boats and although I have done some of this work as a helper to a fellow who knew how to do it, that was mor than 40 years ago, so I am rusty to say the least. Looking online shows me that there are kits available with air hammers and different sized rivet tools and bucking bars etc. Some are advertised as being 2X or 3X or 4X and it appears that indicates something about power available as the bigger number appears to indicate an ability to do bigger rivets. Anyone know more about that? Secondly, they talk about feather triggers? What are they telling me? I assume, just that one can control the gun a bit better and it is not going to be either on or off. Is there much of a difference between an air hammer intended for riveting vs normal ones that we use to cut off a muffler etc? I am not a pro obviously, and I don't intend to go into the boat repair business so I need something that will work but I am not anxious to spend a fortune. How far into this do I need to go?? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
I think I have one that is not in use. Wilt is welcome to it if he wishes (and can use this older type) for postage. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
WILTON wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? Yes - with a device called a KVM (meaning keyboard, video, mouse). Make sure it has the type of keyboard and mouse connections you want. I have seen a lot of PS2-style and not so many USB. I have a 4-port one that allows me to control any one of four computers. 2-port are much more common and cheaper too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Big engine parts?
When I had the cast aluminum oil pan welded for the OM603 (after I punched a hole in it via a slipping jack), they bolted it to a large heavy sheet of steel to help reduce warping. I had to add a thick layer of gasket sealant at the right left corner to seal it, but otherwise they did a great job. I don't know if they pre and post heated it or not. This job was re-assembling four pieces, not just a crack repair. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And pre-heating the manifold and I think, maybe cooling it slowly afterwards. RB -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Another effect from driving it with cooler temps is the collection of water, then acids in the oil. Getting the engine up to temperature helps to evaporate the accumulating water (from combustion gasses that by-pass the rings and the atmosphere) out of the oil and crankcase. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If the engine is run cold, it will get clogged with carbon. That is the whole point of the italian tuneup - run the engine hard enough it actually get hot and burns off the carbon. A cold thermostat, or a stuck open thermostat (especially in the winter!) will surly make it run cold - and risk overheating if not watched closely. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
If it has PS2 ports you could get a PS2 to USB adapter but its probably easier to just get a USB KVM. -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? Older in what manner? Does it seem appropriate for the machines I described a few minutes ago to Clay and list? How much for postage? Wilton - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Rich Thomas' richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? I think I have one that is not in use. Wilt is welcome to it if he wishes (and can use this older type) for postage. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
Thank you - PS2. http://www.monoprice.com/Search/Index?keyword=KVM Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If it has PS2 ports you could get a PS2 to USB adapter but its probably easier to just get a USB KVM. -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? Older in what manner? Does it seem appropriate for the machines I described a few minutes ago to Clay and list? How much for postage? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] WAS Facts - NEW OT Riveting
I'm not an AP, but have played one for most of my life. To clarify what Grant said, the feather trigger lets you modulate the hammering action from a stroke every second to very fast. You start by setting the rivet in place with a few slow strokes, then enough fast strokes to get it to the finished state. The 2X, 3X, 4X, etc. relates to the length of each stroke, hence the power to mash ever increasing sizes and hardness's of rivets. IIRC, boats often use larger rivets than I've dealt with in most of my aircraft work, but they were often softer as well. I doubt that you need more than a 3X rivet gun. This is the gun I bought recently, and it works just fine: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/rivetset737.php?clickkey=1985735 It has everything you need except and air compressor and the rivets (which you can find here: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/solidalumrivets2.php). On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Airframe and Power plant mechanic so I've driven a few thousand rivets The rivet gun with a feather trigger permits you to drive the rivet without over driving it.. The stun gun body shop hammer used for cutting metal and such lacks the finer control to drive rivets in aluminum.. I suggest you get some aluminum scraps that are as near the composition to the boats material as you can get and practice driving rivets .. observe what works, and what doesn't.. you also may want to moderate the air pressure to the rivet gun to get the stroke you need to upset the rivet properly.. Also important is the bucking bar you use to back the driver.. how you hold it.. it's weight and surface all play into the compression of the rivet to make it fill the hole and grip the pieces being joined.. HTH... Grant... -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Thanks, Grant. I had skin in that game, as I had a family member who required hospitalization on a couple of occasions for mental health issues. Fortunately for them at the time it was pre-Reagan dismantling of public health services and they were able to get the care and attention they needed for proper treatment. I'm pleased to say that they are and have been a contributing member of our society as a result of this and other resources that were available at the time. I work in an urban area where there are many homeless folks. I'm sure some are there because they choose to be, but a fair number of them are clearly in need of mental health services that just don't exist. While none that I have seen appear to be a threat to society, I often wonder about those we *don't* see who are living on the fringes and have or could be identified as being in need of such services. Hmm. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, A note of thanks for your even handed moderation of this discussion. I join with you in the assessment that our society needs to give both recognition and attention followed by treatment to individuals who display the potential to harm others. I would be very content to see my tax dollars spent to treat these persons correctly and remove them from access to the means to harm others. In each of the cases of mass murders the after the fact investigation demonstrated the individual had clearly [if anyone had been looking] displayed a rather long history of unhealthy and antisocial behavior. Our social system failed in each case to treat these individuals. This group, I believe, is composed of better than average intelligence individuals, and as such, are both involved and concerned in making the place we live safer and better.. Each of us is an individual with different viewpoints... Thank you for listening to mine.. I would agree with yours.. but then.. we would both be wrong.. ;)) Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
It's more of a matter if it's USB or serial (green and purple circular connectors with the metal shields coming out of them.) They come in both flavors, and if Wilton has a newer computer it's going to be all USB probably. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Older in what manner? Does it seem appropriate for the machines I described a few minutes ago to Clay and list? How much for postage? Wilton - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Rich Thomas' richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? I think I have one that is not in use. Wilt is welcome to it if he wishes (and can use this older type) for postage. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
The new computer is all USB. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? It's more of a matter if it's USB or serial (green and purple circular connectors with the metal shields coming out of them.) They come in both flavors, and if Wilton has a newer computer it's going to be all USB probably. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Older in what manner? Does it seem appropriate for the machines I described a few minutes ago to Clay and list? How much for postage? Wilton - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Rich Thomas' richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? I think I have one that is not in use. Wilt is welcome to it if he wishes (and can use this older type) for postage. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
The issue as I see it is that the genie is already out of the bottle, and you can't put it back. There are too many guns already in circulation to effectively reduce access to them, so stop trying to. Yes, mental health is a major issue that gets ignored. However, relying on identifying and treating potential violent offenders is also fraught with it's own set of horrors. Who decides who get locked you for treatment when? The statistics regarding the number of guns, number of citizens, and frequency of shootings rather nullifies the need to carry a gun for personal or even group defense. The likelihood of ever needing to use one is extremely small, unless you like to put yourself in harms way. If you look at the recent reporting of shootings, if we want to reduce the gun violence rate, we need to dis-arm the police. Of course, a lot of this is due to what's being reported when. Local shootings didn't get reported nationally in the '50's and 60's. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: IMNSHO the problem is one group's attempt to control morality and illegal behavior by controlling a thing, i.e. the guns, instead of focusing on the actual behavior of the small number of misbehaving individuals. For example, some nut-job shoots up a movie theater and the response from some is to try to ban the tool that he used rather than advocate for more mental health programs to deal with the cause of the shooting. As Dan said, there is a need for more mental health resources for those that need it. In so doing, the controls advocated by the ban group infringe on the rights of the vast majority that do not exhibit the criminal behavior thus setting up this endless discussion. Regards, Addison (who advocates for my right to self-defense) -- OK Don (Who advocates his right to own firearms because I like them, but don't carry one around with me all the time.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
I'm not taking sides on the issue either way, but I thought this was rather timely considering the conversation: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mcdonald-s-shooting-on-danforth-leaves-2-dead-1.2977019?cmp=fbtlutm_content=buffercabe2utm_medium=socialutm_source=facebook.comutm_campaign=buffer Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
I have a brother who has worked in the corrections business for years now. He states that we should be locking up those we are afraid of, not those we are mad at. Yes, the drug war is totally irrational, generates much more violent crime than it reduces, and a huge waste of funds. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
http://www.amazon.com/b?node=13983771 Several of them in the $20 range. I was a little disappointed in MonoPrice's selection. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: The new computer is all USB. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? It's more of a matter if it's USB or serial (green and purple circular connectors with the metal shields coming out of them.) They come in both flavors, and if Wilton has a newer computer it's going to be all USB probably. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Older in what manner? Does it seem appropriate for the machines I described a few minutes ago to Clay and list? How much for postage? Wilton - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Rich Thomas' richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? I think I have one that is not in use. Wilt is welcome to it if he wishes (and can use this older type) for postage. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ?
New computer all USB, but I used it for a while with USB/PS2 adapter - Y cord with USB on one end and appropriate PS2 on other end. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? The new computer is all USB. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? It's more of a matter if it's USB or serial (green and purple circular connectors with the metal shields coming out of them.) They come in both flavors, and if Wilton has a newer computer it's going to be all USB probably. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:35 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Older in what manner? Does it seem appropriate for the machines I described a few minutes ago to Clay and list? How much for postage? Wilton - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Rich Thomas' richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? I think I have one that is not in use. Wilt is welcome to it if he wishes (and can use this older type) for postage. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Computenmachine ? You need a KVM switch. Look it up. --R On 3/4/15 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: For the computenmachine gurus: Can I connect 2 machines to work alternately using common screen, keyboard and mouse? BTW, 'nother Country Boy Tale comin' soon, if you're not careful. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of
Re: [MBZ] Facts
You do know that the mental health system, such as it was, was dismantled under Reagan because that is what mental health advocates wanted -- they believed that the system as it was violated the rights of mentally ill people by forcing them into treatment or hospitals or whatever, against their will. So Reagan et al. gave them what they wanted, rights for the mentally ill to decide what they wanted or needed. So now we have mentally ill people with their rights who can't get the treatment they need, or who refuse it because it is their right to do so, and live on the streets and damage themselves and others with their freedom. Of course, no one saw that one coming... --R On 3/4/15 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Thanks, Grant. I had skin in that game, as I had a family member who required hospitalization on a couple of occasions for mental health issues. Fortunately for them at the time it was pre-Reagan dismantling of public health services and they were able to get the care and attention they needed for proper treatment. I'm pleased to say that they are and have been a contributing member of our society as a result of this and other resources that were available at the time. I work in an urban area where there are many homeless folks. I'm sure some are there because they choose to be, but a fair number of them are clearly in need of mental health services that just don't exist. While none that I have seen appear to be a threat to society, I often wonder about those we *don't* see who are living on the fringes and have or could be identified as being in need of such services. Hmm. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, A note of thanks for your even handed moderation of this discussion. I join with you in the assessment that our society needs to give both recognition and attention followed by treatment to individuals who display the potential to harm others. I would be very content to see my tax dollars spent to treat these persons correctly and remove them from access to the means to harm others. In each of the cases of mass murders the after the fact investigation demonstrated the individual had clearly [if anyone had been looking] displayed a rather long history of unhealthy and antisocial behavior. Our social system failed in each case to treat these individuals. This group, I believe, is composed of better than average intelligence individuals, and as such, are both involved and concerned in making the place we live safer and better.. Each of us is an individual with different viewpoints... Thank you for listening to mine.. I would agree with yours.. but then.. we would both be wrong.. ;)) Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts
It is, if you take the time to learn it and to train it to your voice. However, writing with your fingers and dictating text are not usually the same thing. You don't talk like you write. It takes getting used to planning what your are about to say with your mouth the way you do when you write/type. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Insurance, was Facts
Agreed. We should be able to buy whole body insurance, not piece meal insurance. If someone else only wants dental insurance, then that's up to them, but I don't have the option to buy whole body. Of course, the life in life, liberty, and happiness implies health - you don't get much life without health. Hence whole body health insurance should be a right. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Since you brought it up snip Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: War on Addiction? Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug. Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... -Curt From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 Dan, I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called war on drugs. I've been saying for decades that the war on drugs has been lost and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime syndicates, the war on drugs has enabled the growth of even more powerful drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ. Addison On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
My feelings exactly... https://bitencourtg.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/marijuana-vs-alcohol.jpg Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What's even better is reading about David Nutt, the former drug czar of the UK, who got booted out of office because he couldn't find anything wrong with pot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Great Freakonomics podcast on this: http://freakonomics.com/2014/04/17/whats-more-dangerous-marijuana-or-alcohol-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:51 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I would suggest that there are people suffering from advanced alcoholism who can fare no better, nor are functional in any sense of the word. It's a tomato - tomatoe thing. In either case the severity of the affliction is clearly evident. As addled as their brains might be, I would posit that they're in far better health than someone suffering from advanced alcoholism... However, I am neither doctor nor a medical researcher, and this boils down to a matter of semantics. Neither conditions are acceptable from a standpoint of quality of life. Given the choice I would rather my brain be addled than my liver trashed, but that's merely a matter of personal preference. Having seen a family member die of advanced liver disease brought on by alcoholism, I found it a horrible, lingering, painful way to die that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I'm not sure anyone has died from marijuana abuse/ingestion, and if they have, it was probably due to excessive consumption of food (munchies.) Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They are beyond out of touch. They are mindless zombies who can't put together a simple sentence in words. Nothing I said dismisses the effects of terminal alcoholism, but that subject was not addressed. The statement was made that potheads are way better than alkies, and I take issue with that statement. Some alcoholics can function at some level, and are often entertaining, and generally can string together words to make a sentence. The whacked out pothead zombies can do none of those things. It is not better I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. known fact you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed shysters. I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts
DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WILTON wrote: What I NEED is something that'll turn my shaky handwriting into readable script! ; 20 years ago my father in law was looking for something similar. DragonSpeak or somesuch program was text to speech but I don't know about these 'aps' today. Talk your text in to existence. With Siri and others you would think this would be a reality, but from what Wilton says, probably not? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
The war on alcohol addiction hasn't had any positive results either. Perhaps think of it as enabling the Darwin effect - - On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: War on Addiction? Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug. Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be a pretty nice 140
1997 or later. Anything older is a crapshoot as far as major items like wiring harness and evaporator. 97 and later had the better transmission, too. I've got a couple of one owner 1999 S320s I'm going to look at in Sarasota on Saturday. I have to go down there for a family gathering, so it will be convenient. The best one of the two has barely 100k, one owner, dealer maintained, garaged, etc. I'm interested in driving an S320 to compare the performance with the M119 powered models. Thanks, Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Immaculate 1994 S320 Mercedes http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4897921075.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUjtHf76wM -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts I'm high on the real thing -- a clean windshield , powerful gasoline , and a shoe shine. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why am I picturing you rolling a fatty about now? Dan is someone burning rope? Man On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You are only coming through in waves Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying When I was a child I had a fever My hands felt just like two balloons Now I've got that feeling once again I can't explain, you would not understand This is not how I am I have become comfortably numb --R On 3/4/15 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
We have short circuited Darwinian evolution. Shoes have messed with our feet so we have daintier toes and less ability to walk long distances. This may be a first world thing. We impregnate the couples or singles who are genetically incapable of producing a child naturally. We pump people full of poison to survive cancer and live to reproduce. We put helmets on kids that would have taken themselves out of the gene pool on a bike, or climbing rocks. We pad and coddle the beasties, and pump up their self esteem until they are narcissist. The meals we eat are pretty unnatural with all the preservatives, and most folks would starve if they had to cook, let alone source food stuffs. We zip along at 120kph, which, should we meet sudden deceleration, would turn us into pulp. No chance of that using shanks mare. At every opportunity, big pharma is plumping us up with chemical concoctions that short circuit immune responses and have side effects that cause more damage than the illness. All the antibiotics are creating super bugs that will decimate populations, while our natural immune systems are being robbed of the chance to fight and pass on resistance to pathogens. Meanwhile we get in airborne tin cans and spread virulent bacteria and virus to the far reaches of the globe. Global food and commerce is turning native populations in the clients for big pharma to pump full of chemicals to treat first world illness. Time to slow down, move back to the land, and allow our bodies to catch up to changes already here. Either that. or we start stuffing folks in tin cans and shoot them into space in great enough numbers that natural selection will sort out what manner of human is best suited to off world living. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:52 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: OK Don wrote: The war on alcohol addiction hasn't had any positive results either. Perhaps think of it as enabling the Darwin effect - - All hail Darwin effect!! Why not? Survival ...of the fittest. Mental - gone!! Drugged - gone!! Old - gone!! Why coddle the infirm? The bottom line rules!! Shall we be a nation or culture or society that coddles the lame and infirm so that we are defenseless? No kidding, really. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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WILTON wrote: What I NEED is something that'll turn my shaky handwriting into readable script! ; 20 years ago my father in law was looking for something similar. DragonSpeak or somesuch program was text to speech but I don't know about these 'aps' today. Talk your text in to existence. With Siri and others you would think this would be a reality, but from what Wilton says, probably not? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You are only coming through in waves Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying When I was a child I had a fever My hands felt just like two balloons Now I've got that feeling once again I can't explain, you would not understand This is not how I am I have become comfortably numb --R On 3/4/15 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. known fact you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed shysters. I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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--R wrote: Of course, no one saw that one coming... Old people (I am old people), mental people, cancer people, etc all cost much more than they contribute. Any loss of these class of people becomes a benefit for the culture/society/nation as a whole. Yes, I am ready to be fertilizer, I know I am the problem, hence, I stay away from these systems of health and mental etc Reality must rule. Feelings take right seat, i.e. SIC. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
What's even better is reading about David Nutt, the former drug czar of the UK, who got booted out of office because he couldn't find anything wrong with pot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Great Freakonomics podcast on this: http://freakonomics.com/2014/04/17/whats-more-dangerous-marijuana-or-alcohol-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:51 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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She was not a CIA operative and she had already told the world she worked for the CIA. There was no news just a rehash of previously disclosed stuff. Not to forget Scooter Libby who's outing of a CIA operative during a time of war should have him in front of a firing squad... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have tinnitus in both ears as well, but it's not so bad that it prevents me from hearing - more like a nuisance thing in the background. Not a lot you can do for it, so I understand. I suspect mine is due to exposure to high noise levels when I was younger... Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. I don't feel all alone anymore. Someone on this very list suggested a Lyric hearing aid. I may try one soon. In going to have to do something. Rick Who has hearing loss in his right ear, and tinnitus in both. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. known fact you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed shysters. I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Very much so. And I didn't agree with them then, and I don't agree with them now. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You do know that the mental health system, such as it was, was dismantled under Reagan because that is what mental health advocates wanted -- they believed that the system as it was violated the rights of mentally ill people by forcing them into treatment or hospitals or whatever, against their will. So Reagan et al. gave them what they wanted, rights for the mentally ill to decide what they wanted or needed. So now we have mentally ill people with their rights who can't get the treatment they need, or who refuse it because it is their right to do so, and live on the streets and damage themselves and others with their freedom. Of course, no one saw that one coming... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Andrew wrote: Well, I will assume you are all granted immortality by consuming this special broth unless you personally advise me otherwise. ...eh... Immortality is probably waay over rated, if not fantastical. I'll take tasty and good for health, please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I bought a new hearing aid, best kind money can buy. Cost me $8000. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:13 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. G: Please let me know if the hearing aid you buy helps in a noisy environment. My hearing aids, which were state of the art programmable about 15 years ago, have never helped that problem; and I have never talked to anyone who had a hearing aid that did although every hearing company for the past 40 years has claimed that theirs solves the noisy environment situation. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. G: My Blue Cross insurance pays $1000 per hearing aid as do many other insurors. This has been in effect for only a couple of years. If you are on the counties group insurance plan, they may not. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan G: Costco sounds like a good bet since they have a fine reputation in other respects. Otherwise, it's best to go to an ENT M.D. who has his own audiologist and sells hearing aids. Most of the rest are in the same category as car salesmen IMO. Another option I just remembered was a med school. UF med school has a good hearing department and sells hearing aids. USF may have one as well. Suggestion: Buy the best you can afford since even the best is seldom as good as you hope for. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
They are beyond out of touch. They are mindless zombies who can't put together a simple sentence in words. Nothing I said dismisses the effects of terminal alcoholism, but that subject was not addressed. The statement was made that potheads are way better than alkies, and I take issue with that statement. Some alcoholics can function at some level, and are often entertaining, and generally can string together words to make a sentence. The whacked out pothead zombies can do none of those things. It is not better I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. known fact you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed shysters. I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Dan, I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called war on drugs. I've been saying for decades that the war on drugs has been lost and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime syndicates, the war on drugs has enabled the growth of even more powerful drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ. Addison On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
Great Freakonomics podcast on this: http://freakonomics.com/2014/04/17/whats-more-dangerous-marijuana-or-alcohol-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:51 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
War on Addiction? Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug. Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... -Curt From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 Dan, I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called war on drugs. I've been saying for decades that the war on drugs has been lost and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime syndicates, the war on drugs has enabled the growth of even more powerful drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ. Addison On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] This looks like it might be a pretty nice 140
Immaculate 1994 S320 Mercedes http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4897921075.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Dan wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. I don't feel all alone anymore. Someone on this very list suggested a Lyric hearing aid. I may try one soon. In going to have to do something. Rick Who has hearing loss in his right ear, and tinnitus in both. Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You do know that the mental health system, such as it was, was dismantled under Reagan because that is what mental health advocates wanted -- they believed that the system as it was violated the rights of mentally ill people by forcing them into treatment or hospitals or whatever, against their will. So Reagan et al. gave them what they wanted, rights for the mentally ill to decide what they wanted or needed. So now we have mentally ill people with their rights who can't get the treatment they need, or who refuse it because it is their right to do so, and live on the streets and damage themselves and others with their freedom. Of course, no one saw that one coming... --R OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Why am I picturing you rolling a fatty about now? Dan is someone burning rope? Man On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You are only coming through in waves Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying When I was a child I had a fever My hands felt just like two balloons Now I've got that feeling once again I can't explain, you would not understand This is not how I am I have become comfortably numb --R On 3/4/15 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Since you brought it up I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:09 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, many in the mental health systems saw that one coming, but they didn't have a voice in Washington. What the mental health professionals wanted was the closing of the massive institutions, replacing them with smaller ones for acute treatment and outpatient clinics. What they got was de-funding of the whole system, so only the rich could afford mental health treatment of any significance. Which brings me to another pet peeve of mine, health insurance. It makes NO sense to insure for treatment of one part of your body and not another. It should be all or none. Separate insurance for heart disease, teeth, vision, mental health, etc. is absurd. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts now Fonts
I used Dragon Speaking with good results 6 or 8 years ago. Problem for last couple months is tremor of right hand so bad my handwriting is unreadable, even by me. Wilton OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It is, if you take the time to learn it and to train it to your voice. However, writing with your fingers and dictating text are not usually the same thing. You don't talk like you write. It takes getting used to planning what your are about to say with your mouth the way you do when you write/type. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DragonSpeak is supposed to be really good. I don't have any direct experience with it, however. Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Dan Penoff wrote: I have had partial hearing loss in my left ear since I was a child, due mainly to some really nasty inner ear infections I had. The frequencies affected are between 5kHz and 7kHz or thereabouts, smack dab in the middle of the range for normal speech. I would love to have some sort of hearing aid or assistive device. While I can hear, the lack of hearing in this range makes it pretty much impossible for me to carry on a conversation with anyone in an environment with a lot of background noise, like a loud restaurant or at a party. If you speak to me in one of these places I can see your lips move but I can't hear a damned thing you say. It's frustrating and isolating. G: Please let me know if the hearing aid you buy helps in a noisy environment. My hearing aids, which were state of the art programmable about 15 years ago, have never helped that problem; and I have never talked to anyone who had a hearing aid that did although every hearing company for the past 40 years has claimed that theirs solves the noisy environment situation. Insurance has never covered hearing aids. Why I can buy insurance for vision, just about any other assistive device for any deficiencies I have as a human, but not hearing aids. G: My Blue Cross insurance pays $1000 per hearing aid as do many other insurors. This has been in effect for only a couple of years. If you are on the counties group insurance plan, they may not. This is one of the reasons we changed over to Costco. They are supposed to have in-house audiologists and good deals on hearing aids. I haven't had a chance to check this out, but it's pretty high on my list. Dan G: Costco sounds like a good bet since they have a fine reputation in other respects. Otherwise, it's best to go to an ENT M.D. who has his own audiologist and sells hearing aids. Most of the rest are in the same category as car salesmen IMO. Another option I just remembered was a med school. UF med school has a good hearing department and sells hearing aids. USF may have one as well. Suggestion: Buy the best you can afford since even the best is seldom as good as you hope for. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be a pretty nice 140
Still a whippersnapper! My Cessna is in it's 58th year and still flying - TWICE as old! On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A whippersnapper! Mine's in it's 29th year. 141 kmi Wilton That car has come of age - it's 21! Amazing!! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Mine is from shot guns and engines without mufflers - auto and aircraft. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Heavy Metal??? On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So you were a party animal. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have tinnitus in both ears as well, but it's not so bad that it prevents me from hearing - more like a nuisance thing in the background. Not a lot you can do for it, so I understand. I suspect mine is due to exposure to high noise levels when I was younger... Dan -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be a pretty nice 140
A whippersnapper! Mine's in it's 29th year. 141 kmi Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be a pretty nice 140 That car has come of age - it's 21! Amazing!! On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Immaculate 1994 S320 Mercedes http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4897921075.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - RAISING TOBAC., PART III
I've never had a cigarette in my mouth, but I've inhaled way too much of the crap exhaled (imposed on me) by others who have always thought they had a right to seriously pollute the air that I needed for basic life. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - RAISING TOBAC., PART III WILTON wrote: In spite of my long-held low opinion of the product and concern for my own health, I have endured the smoke imposed by others all of my life -- in living rooms, dining rooms, cars, buses, college classrooms, restaurants and military classrooms, briefing rooms, alert facilities and aircraft. Yes. I remember riding the bus. Smoke filled. I don't appear to have any health problems, years later. I probably agree with your negative assessment of tobacco but I like the smell of it, I think. I think I like the sweet smell of cured tobacco, the few times I have caught a whiff of the stuff. Reading your story made me think that the smell at the auction probably was quite pleasant? Sweet? I grew up in suburban Chicago so I never knew manual labor in tobacco fields that your stories tell, so... I don't know tobacco at all - just a few whiffs here and there, and the smoke, which was *never* absolutely abysmal, and I never inhaled or smoked cigarettes. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] This looks like it might be a pretty nice 140
That car has come of age - it's 21! Amazing!! On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Immaculate 1994 S320 Mercedes http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4897921075.html via cPro Craigslist App iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
On the subject of drug use or alcohol use.. as wise man once told me Self abuse is still the most popular form of self entertainment. It seems to ring true with every addiction, regardless of the material of choice.. A great part of the land mass of Arizona is Indian Reservation ... a very drunk Hopi once told me... as I tried to assist him out of the middle of a busy street where he had decided to take a nap, that With the first drink, the spirit comes out of the bottle into the man.. every drink after that the spirit comes out of the man into the bottle. ... I'm pretty sure this mans bottle was full of spirit... Yet another ruined life.. I think we need to offer a surrender in the war on drugs ... we lost. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I would suggest that there are people suffering from advanced alcoholism who can fare no better, nor are functional in any sense of the word. It's a tomato - tomatoe thing. In either case the severity of the affliction is clearly evident. As addled as their brains might be, I would posit that they're in far better health than someone suffering from advanced alcoholism... However, I am neither doctor nor a medical researcher, and this boils down to a matter of semantics. Neither conditions are acceptable from a standpoint of quality of life. Given the choice I would rather my brain be addled than my liver trashed, but that's merely a matter of personal preference. Having seen a family member die of advanced liver disease brought on by alcoholism, I found it a horrible, lingering, painful way to die that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I'm not sure anyone has died from marijuana abuse/ingestion, and if they have, it was probably due to excessive consumption of food (munchies.) Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They are beyond out of touch. They are mindless zombies who can't put together a simple sentence in words. Nothing I said dismisses the effects of terminal alcoholism, but that subject was not addressed. The statement was made that potheads are way better than alkies, and I take issue with that statement. Some alcoholics can function at some level, and are often entertaining, and generally can string together words to make a sentence. The whacked out pothead zombies can do none of those things. It is not better I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... I very much agree with the personal responsibility aspect, too. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. known fact you refer to is propaganda put out by norml. Today's pot is far more powefull and mind frying that your grampa's joint. However, outlawing drugs does not provide solutions, except for unemployed shysters. I say legalize it, but take away the ability for the users to send others the bill for their irresponsibility. (personal responsibility) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT: Insurance, was Facts
OK Don wrote: Agreed. We should be able to buy whole body insurance... One better might be... No fault life. No blame, no shame, no responsibility, just free, no cost, no fault. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Props to Chrysler
The other night I was hauling the snowmobile trailer and the tail lights quit. The brake and turn signals still worked. I only had a little ways to go so I didn't think much of it. Today I discovered the pinched wire and fix the problem, although the rear marker lights won't work again until they get a new wire I figure I'll get through this season and then the trailer needs a full rebuild anyway. The thing I want to give Chrysler props for is that the running lights on the trailer are on a circuit breaker not a fuse so even with a dead short I never lost driving lights on the truck and didn't blow a fuse which made figuring out the actual problem that much easier... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Facts
Curt started it --- That animation reminded that I had not shared this Russian video yet: http://www.youtube.com/embed/FG1LGKieTxY?rel=0 We have all wondered what would happen if the oxygen and acetylene welding gas delivery truck had an accident in front of us. View the video below for what actually happens. It’s spectacular … and just when you think it’s all over . BANG!! On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUjtHf76wM -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Big engine parts?
I'd weld a cast iron manifold. Grind a v along the crack. Get SS rod, and whale away. THe trick is using the SS rod on a stick welder. Which makes me think its actually the exhaust manifold. There was great comment in the meeting over the possibility of welding cast iron. One guy, a professional welder, says he does it all the time so they're going to try welding first. -Curt From: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Big engine parts? Welding cast aluminum (assuming that intake is aluminum) is a real art. A friend of mine welded a broken ear back onto an OM603 intake I had, it was a rather involved process. He'd never done that sort of thing, wanted the challenge, spent some time researching before he attempted it. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Yes . You can easily regulate the temps to the 180 to 190 range with the cardboard. Cold running wears hard on the engine. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:41:22 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Why is there a hurry to do more work? If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. But with performance as it stands now, drive it? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers
On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 22:48:03 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, it seems like the cooled broth is more gelatinous when I have added the vinegar. I confess I don't understand the chemistry of that. Perhaps the acid facilitates dissolving of the cartilage and connective tissue too. Is the vinegar taste evident in the finished product? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
