Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES
Hear Here! Great sermon! SHort! Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 4:22 PM: The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on SPS-related work. His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we spoke a coupla times on the phone. I think I wrote some of the content of one or two of those referenced reports. If anyone had any vision these days for truly remarkable challenges rather than being mired down in issues about whose flings are being hurt, we would be building components for these on the moon and launching to LEO where they would be assembled robotically. No nuclear waste to deal with, all the power you could want. --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
HAVE YOU actually SEEN a coal fired power plant? Clue: there is no black smoke BTW: Trim thy posts! Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 1:53 PM: So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust free
You should get that and flip it to the FB morons --FT Sent from iPhone > On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > 1978 MERCEDES 300D > > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/wichita-1978-mercedes-300d/6858309572.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Feel the Bern
Car shake at start --FT Sent from iPhone > On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Mercedes-Benz Diesel 1987 > > https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/albuquerque-mercedes-benz-diesel-1987/6858248285.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
> On April 4, 2019 at 10:24 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > >| > no? Si, Senor. > > \ > What was the denoument of that saga? They couldn't sell me one unless I produced a CA, OR, or MD driver's license with my picture on it. I toyed with the idea of using Andrew for a straw buyer, but paying double sales tax kind of killed the deal. What I really wanted was to lease one and license it in Oregon, and buy it when the lease was up. You don't need an OR license to register a car in OR as it turns out, but GM has stricter rules than OR DMV does. They only made the Spark EV because those three states required them to sell EVs, and after getting burned on a few 2014s that didn't get them CA credits because the buyers didn't keep them in CA for 3 years, GM got serious about not letting out of state residents buy them. A dealer in western Wisconsin had a 2015 with a four digit odometer, lemon law car, that they bought at auction and wanted $ for after GM refurbished it. I thought about it but passed, it was my least favorite color, and it was the LT2 model with the black 'leatherette' upholstery. I wanted a blue, white or silver LT1 with blue cloth interior. I still think GM deserves a big pat on the back for selling the best engineered EV drivetrain on the market in 2014. Even though they never wanted to make it, they took great care to make it the best, at least the EV system parts. And what they learned from the Sparks probably helped greatly with the design and manufacture of the 48 state Bolt. When you compare the Spark EV to other 'we had to build it' EVs like the Fiat 500 and the Ford Focus, there's no comparison. I feel sorry for the people who bought those things. The Leaf is a solid transportation appliance but it's sluggish in comparison to the Spark. The Bolt has more motor and battery than the Spark, but I still think of it as the crossover SUV of EVs. Bolt is very fast in a straight line though, first non-Tesla product I know of that outruns a SparkEV. In the end I got the new improved Cruze, bigger, lighter, more aerodynamic than the first generation Cruze. Messed up and stuck myself with two of them. Like the Leaf it's made more for comfort than for driving excitement. Unlike the Leaf it can keep up with a 2.3-16 in a straight line. And my red one can run away from a 2.3-16 now that it makes about 200hp from its 85 cubic inches. I'm getting about 40mpg driving it to work this week, winds gusting 20-30mph all week. Should get 42-43 mpg on my commute now that the weather's halfway warm if it wasn't so windy. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Feel the Bern
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Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 21:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > When I first heard of California's mandatory "Zero Emissions Vehicle" > proposal, I immediately started calling EVs "Remote Emissions > Vehicles", and I've seen to reason to change my terminology. ^ | no? > And you need to remember, I LIKE the things, tried pretty hard to buy > one 3 years ago when I discovered Chevy was making one that could do > 0-60 quicker than an E320 while costing a fraction of a Tesla. What was the denoument of that saga? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rust free
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Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
When I first heard of California's mandatory "Zero Emissions Vehicle" proposal, I immediately started calling EVs "Remote Emissions Vehicles", and I've seen to reason to change my terminology. And you need to remember, I LIKE the things, tried pretty hard to buy one 3 years ago when I discovered Chevy was making one that could do 0-60 quicker than an E320 while costing a fraction of a Tesla. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
> What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP event? Gravity. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES
Andrew, Points taken. The economy of scale for solar has taken large strides in the past 10 years as production costs for solar panels have dropped and conversion of light energy to electricity efficiency. per panel, has increased. Several large scale solar plants were on the plan prior to 2008 economic crash, but were canceled. That interest is just now finding funding. Success will be measured in return on investment. But, only during daylight hours.. :)) On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 4:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Grant, I beg to differ. Idaho Power has just announced it proposes to > install utilities scale solar for 2 and a half cents per kilowatt hour. The > cheapest in history. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 7:47 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > The idea still has merit, perhaps in the future when fossil fuels are > > depleted. > > > > My concern would be the microwave energy, keeping that pointed in a safe > > direction. > > -- > > Max Dillon > > Charleston SC > > > > On April 4, 2019 6:28:40 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >It was all in the reports. The stuff I worked on had some fairly > > >realistic numbers on all that, based on what we knew at the time and > > >some reasonable expectations of the march of technology. One of the > > >biggest assumptions was the performance of solar photovoltaics going > > >from maybe 3% efficiency (at the time) to 6% or more, I think that is > > >sorta typical these days, might be even better than that. And yes the > > >photovoltaic arrays do degrade, that was factored in, I recall > > >something > > >like continuous upgrades of arrays as part of the process, after a > > >time. > > > > > >While cost projections on anything are worth the paper they are printed > > > > > >on, if that, all-up costs on a common basis (including externalities in > > > > > >the costs of competing technologies) showed SPS power to be in the > > >competitive realm, with a major assumption that costs of delivering > > >payloads to GEO would come down, either in earth->GEO launches or in > > >moon->GEO launches using lunar materials and propellants (including > > >"fuelless" launches using a mass driver). Note that building the > > >satellites in LEO from earth-launched materials, then using electric > > >propulsion (argon ion thrusters) to take them to GEO made sense, it > > >takes awhile but there is plenty of power and time to do it, so no big > > >deal. Launching stuff "downhill" makes a lot of sense, and when you > > >have > > >essentially unlimited resources on the moon with minimal concerns about > > > > > >environmental effects (externalities), either from launches or > > >manufacturing, then it looks even better. > > > > > >I talked a coupla years ago to one of my friends/colleagues from that > > >time about Peter and these ideas, as far as she knew nothing was being > > >done about it now. Another colleague with whom we worked, a former > > >Apollo astronaut, is still alive living in the DC area somewhere, I > > >have > > >reached out to him but have never heard back and neither has my friend > > >(whose good friend was married to him for some time, I guess they > > >aren't > > >any more). I don't know what he is up to these days, he must be way up > > > > > >in his 80s now. I know he kept trying to promote these ideas with > > >Peter. There were also some other interesting characters involved, > > >somewhat peripherally, but kept the ideas "out there." > > > > > >As far as low-hanging fruit, yep... but sometimes a visionary can help > > >reach that higher fruit... > > > > > >Sic transit gloria mundi... > > > > > >--FT > > > > > >On 4/4/19 5:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > >> What a grand plan. > > >> However, after reading the posting in detail, I find no cost per KW > > >hr. > > >> projection based on the expected life of the solar orbit array, and > > >the > > >> actual cost of building it and maintaining it, both in space and on > > >the > > >> ground. > > >> > > >> Thus, solar and wind are still "pie in the sky" not connected to the > > >> reality of real life and mankind as it truly exists. > > >> As long as there is low hanging fruit to be picked, mankind will pick > > >it > > >> first. > > >> > > >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ > > >>> > > >>> Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser > > >on > > >>> SPS-related work. His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we > > >>> spoke a coupla times on the phone. I think I wrote some of the > > >content > > >>> of one or two of those referenced reports. If anyone had any vision > > >>> these days for truly remarkable challenges rather
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES
How do you build an elephant? Order a mouse, built under government contract... ;)) A few billion spent in government programs to stimulate ignorance and inbreeding would reduce the population to the point where we need less energy... Ohh wait we already have those in place.. ;)) [Sarcasm off] On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:29 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It was all in the reports. The stuff I worked on had some fairly > realistic numbers on all that, based on what we knew at the time and > some reasonable expectations of the march of technology. One of the > biggest assumptions was the performance of solar photovoltaics going > from maybe 3% efficiency (at the time) to 6% or more, I think that is > sorta typical these days, might be even better than that. And yes the > photovoltaic arrays do degrade, that was factored in, I recall something > like continuous upgrades of arrays as part of the process, after a time. > > While cost projections on anything are worth the paper they are printed > on, if that, all-up costs on a common basis (including externalities in > the costs of competing technologies) showed SPS power to be in the > competitive realm, with a major assumption that costs of delivering > payloads to GEO would come down, either in earth->GEO launches or in > moon->GEO launches using lunar materials and propellants (including > "fuelless" launches using a mass driver). Note that building the > satellites in LEO from earth-launched materials, then using electric > propulsion (argon ion thrusters) to take them to GEO made sense, it > takes awhile but there is plenty of power and time to do it, so no big > deal. Launching stuff "downhill" makes a lot of sense, and when you have > essentially unlimited resources on the moon with minimal concerns about > environmental effects (externalities), either from launches or > manufacturing, then it looks even better. > > I talked a coupla years ago to one of my friends/colleagues from that > time about Peter and these ideas, as far as she knew nothing was being > done about it now. Another colleague with whom we worked, a former > Apollo astronaut, is still alive living in the DC area somewhere, I have > reached out to him but have never heard back and neither has my friend > (whose good friend was married to him for some time, I guess they aren't > any more). I don't know what he is up to these days, he must be way up > in his 80s now. I know he kept trying to promote these ideas with > Peter. There were also some other interesting characters involved, > somewhat peripherally, but kept the ideas "out there." > > As far as low-hanging fruit, yep... but sometimes a visionary can help > reach that higher fruit... > > Sic transit gloria mundi... > > --FT > > On 4/4/19 5:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > What a grand plan. > > However, after reading the posting in detail, I find no cost per KW hr. > > projection based on the expected life of the solar orbit array, and the > > actual cost of building it and maintaining it, both in space and on the > > ground. > > > > Thus, solar and wind are still "pie in the sky" not connected to the > > reality of real life and mankind as it truly exists. > > As long as there is low hanging fruit to be picked, mankind will pick it > > first. > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away > >> > >> > https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ > >> > >> Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on > >> SPS-related work. His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we > >> spoke a coupla times on the phone. I think I wrote some of the content > >> of one or two of those referenced reports. If anyone had any vision > >> these days for truly remarkable challenges rather than being mired down > >> in issues about whose flings are being hurt, we would be > >> building components for these on the moon and launching to LEO where > >> they would be assembled robotically. No nuclear waste to deal with, all > >> the power you could want. > >> > >> --FT > >> > >> On 4/4/19 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >>> EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and > >>> thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you get > >> your > >>> power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect > >> perfection > >>> all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I agree > with > >>> you about collateral damage to birds from the wind turbines, but that > >>> problem is going to be overcome with offshore wind development, where > it > >>> has less effect on birds. > >>> > >>> And the tired old song about the Sun not shining at night will be > >> overcome > >>> through the evolution of storage batteries. Many utilities are already > >>>
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES
Grant, I beg to differ. Idaho Power has just announced it proposes to install utilities scale solar for 2 and a half cents per kilowatt hour. The cheapest in history. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 7:47 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > The idea still has merit, perhaps in the future when fossil fuels are > depleted. > > My concern would be the microwave energy, keeping that pointed in a safe > direction. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > On April 4, 2019 6:28:40 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >It was all in the reports. The stuff I worked on had some fairly > >realistic numbers on all that, based on what we knew at the time and > >some reasonable expectations of the march of technology. One of the > >biggest assumptions was the performance of solar photovoltaics going > >from maybe 3% efficiency (at the time) to 6% or more, I think that is > >sorta typical these days, might be even better than that. And yes the > >photovoltaic arrays do degrade, that was factored in, I recall > >something > >like continuous upgrades of arrays as part of the process, after a > >time. > > > >While cost projections on anything are worth the paper they are printed > > > >on, if that, all-up costs on a common basis (including externalities in > > > >the costs of competing technologies) showed SPS power to be in the > >competitive realm, with a major assumption that costs of delivering > >payloads to GEO would come down, either in earth->GEO launches or in > >moon->GEO launches using lunar materials and propellants (including > >"fuelless" launches using a mass driver). Note that building the > >satellites in LEO from earth-launched materials, then using electric > >propulsion (argon ion thrusters) to take them to GEO made sense, it > >takes awhile but there is plenty of power and time to do it, so no big > >deal. Launching stuff "downhill" makes a lot of sense, and when you > >have > >essentially unlimited resources on the moon with minimal concerns about > > > >environmental effects (externalities), either from launches or > >manufacturing, then it looks even better. > > > >I talked a coupla years ago to one of my friends/colleagues from that > >time about Peter and these ideas, as far as she knew nothing was being > >done about it now. Another colleague with whom we worked, a former > >Apollo astronaut, is still alive living in the DC area somewhere, I > >have > >reached out to him but have never heard back and neither has my friend > >(whose good friend was married to him for some time, I guess they > >aren't > >any more). I don't know what he is up to these days, he must be way up > > > >in his 80s now. I know he kept trying to promote these ideas with > >Peter. There were also some other interesting characters involved, > >somewhat peripherally, but kept the ideas "out there." > > > >As far as low-hanging fruit, yep... but sometimes a visionary can help > >reach that higher fruit... > > > >Sic transit gloria mundi... > > > >--FT > > > >On 4/4/19 5:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > >> What a grand plan. > >> However, after reading the posting in detail, I find no cost per KW > >hr. > >> projection based on the expected life of the solar orbit array, and > >the > >> actual cost of building it and maintaining it, both in space and on > >the > >> ground. > >> > >> Thus, solar and wind are still "pie in the sky" not connected to the > >> reality of real life and mankind as it truly exists. > >> As long as there is low hanging fruit to be picked, mankind will pick > >it > >> first. > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away > >>> > >>> > > > https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ > >>> > >>> Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser > >on > >>> SPS-related work. His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we > >>> spoke a coupla times on the phone. I think I wrote some of the > >content > >>> of one or two of those referenced reports. If anyone had any vision > >>> these days for truly remarkable challenges rather than being mired > >down > >>> in issues about whose flings are being hurt, we would be > >>> building components for these on the moon and launching to LEO where > >>> they would be assembled robotically. No nuclear waste to deal with, > >all > >>> the power you could want. > >>> > >>> --FT > >>> > >>> On 4/4/19 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and > thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you > >get > >>> your > power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect > >>> perfection > all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I > >agree with > you about collateral damage to birds from the wind turbines, but >
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES
The idea still has merit, perhaps in the future when fossil fuels are depleted. My concern would be the microwave energy, keeping that pointed in a safe direction. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On April 4, 2019 6:28:40 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >It was all in the reports. The stuff I worked on had some fairly >realistic numbers on all that, based on what we knew at the time and >some reasonable expectations of the march of technology. One of the >biggest assumptions was the performance of solar photovoltaics going >from maybe 3% efficiency (at the time) to 6% or more, I think that is >sorta typical these days, might be even better than that. And yes the >photovoltaic arrays do degrade, that was factored in, I recall >something >like continuous upgrades of arrays as part of the process, after a >time. > >While cost projections on anything are worth the paper they are printed > >on, if that, all-up costs on a common basis (including externalities in > >the costs of competing technologies) showed SPS power to be in the >competitive realm, with a major assumption that costs of delivering >payloads to GEO would come down, either in earth->GEO launches or in >moon->GEO launches using lunar materials and propellants (including >"fuelless" launches using a mass driver). Note that building the >satellites in LEO from earth-launched materials, then using electric >propulsion (argon ion thrusters) to take them to GEO made sense, it >takes awhile but there is plenty of power and time to do it, so no big >deal. Launching stuff "downhill" makes a lot of sense, and when you >have >essentially unlimited resources on the moon with minimal concerns about > >environmental effects (externalities), either from launches or >manufacturing, then it looks even better. > >I talked a coupla years ago to one of my friends/colleagues from that >time about Peter and these ideas, as far as she knew nothing was being >done about it now. Another colleague with whom we worked, a former >Apollo astronaut, is still alive living in the DC area somewhere, I >have >reached out to him but have never heard back and neither has my friend >(whose good friend was married to him for some time, I guess they >aren't >any more). I don't know what he is up to these days, he must be way up > >in his 80s now. I know he kept trying to promote these ideas with >Peter. There were also some other interesting characters involved, >somewhat peripherally, but kept the ideas "out there." > >As far as low-hanging fruit, yep... but sometimes a visionary can help >reach that higher fruit... > >Sic transit gloria mundi... > >--FT > >On 4/4/19 5:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >> What a grand plan. >> However, after reading the posting in detail, I find no cost per KW >hr. >> projection based on the expected life of the solar orbit array, and >the >> actual cost of building it and maintaining it, both in space and on >the >> ground. >> >> Thus, solar and wind are still "pie in the sky" not connected to the >> reality of real life and mankind as it truly exists. >> As long as there is low hanging fruit to be picked, mankind will pick >it >> first. >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away >>> >>> >https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ >>> >>> Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser >on >>> SPS-related work. His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we >>> spoke a coupla times on the phone. I think I wrote some of the >content >>> of one or two of those referenced reports. If anyone had any vision >>> these days for truly remarkable challenges rather than being mired >down >>> in issues about whose flings are being hurt, we would be >>> building components for these on the moon and launching to LEO where >>> they would be assembled robotically. No nuclear waste to deal with, >all >>> the power you could want. >>> >>> --FT >>> >>> On 4/4/19 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you >get >>> your power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect >>> perfection all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I >agree with you about collateral damage to birds from the wind turbines, but >that problem is going to be overcome with offshore wind development, >where it has less effect on birds. And the tired old song about the Sun not shining at night will be >>> overcome through the evolution of storage batteries. Many utilities are >already installing these. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 4:16 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES
It was all in the reports. The stuff I worked on had some fairly realistic numbers on all that, based on what we knew at the time and some reasonable expectations of the march of technology. One of the biggest assumptions was the performance of solar photovoltaics going from maybe 3% efficiency (at the time) to 6% or more, I think that is sorta typical these days, might be even better than that. And yes the photovoltaic arrays do degrade, that was factored in, I recall something like continuous upgrades of arrays as part of the process, after a time. While cost projections on anything are worth the paper they are printed on, if that, all-up costs on a common basis (including externalities in the costs of competing technologies) showed SPS power to be in the competitive realm, with a major assumption that costs of delivering payloads to GEO would come down, either in earth->GEO launches or in moon->GEO launches using lunar materials and propellants (including "fuelless" launches using a mass driver). Note that building the satellites in LEO from earth-launched materials, then using electric propulsion (argon ion thrusters) to take them to GEO made sense, it takes awhile but there is plenty of power and time to do it, so no big deal. Launching stuff "downhill" makes a lot of sense, and when you have essentially unlimited resources on the moon with minimal concerns about environmental effects (externalities), either from launches or manufacturing, then it looks even better. I talked a coupla years ago to one of my friends/colleagues from that time about Peter and these ideas, as far as she knew nothing was being done about it now. Another colleague with whom we worked, a former Apollo astronaut, is still alive living in the DC area somewhere, I have reached out to him but have never heard back and neither has my friend (whose good friend was married to him for some time, I guess they aren't any more). I don't know what he is up to these days, he must be way up in his 80s now. I know he kept trying to promote these ideas with Peter. There were also some other interesting characters involved, somewhat peripherally, but kept the ideas "out there." As far as low-hanging fruit, yep... but sometimes a visionary can help reach that higher fruit... Sic transit gloria mundi... --FT On 4/4/19 5:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: What a grand plan. However, after reading the posting in detail, I find no cost per KW hr. projection based on the expected life of the solar orbit array, and the actual cost of building it and maintaining it, both in space and on the ground. Thus, solar and wind are still "pie in the sky" not connected to the reality of real life and mankind as it truly exists. As long as there is low hanging fruit to be picked, mankind will pick it first. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on SPS-related work. His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we spoke a coupla times on the phone. I think I wrote some of the content of one or two of those referenced reports. If anyone had any vision these days for truly remarkable challenges rather than being mired down in issues about whose flings are being hurt, we would be building components for these on the moon and launching to LEO where they would be assembled robotically. No nuclear waste to deal with, all the power you could want. --FT On 4/4/19 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you get your power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect perfection all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I agree with you about collateral damage to birds from the wind turbines, but that problem is going to be overcome with offshore wind development, where it has less effect on birds. And the tired old song about the Sun not shining at night will be overcome through the evolution of storage batteries. Many utilities are already installing these. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 4:16 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range. They take too long to re-charge. Battery technology is not at a point where they are practical. And, the infrastructure is not there to charge them. Solar does not work in the dark. Not bad in Arizona. Not so good in Manitoba, especially in
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future -- POWER SOURCES
What a grand plan. However, after reading the posting in detail, I find no cost per KW hr. projection based on the expected life of the solar orbit array, and the actual cost of building it and maintaining it, both in space and on the ground. Thus, solar and wind are still "pie in the sky" not connected to the reality of real life and mankind as it truly exists. As long as there is low hanging fruit to be picked, mankind will pick it first. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:22 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away > > https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ > > Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on > SPS-related work. His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we > spoke a coupla times on the phone. I think I wrote some of the content > of one or two of those referenced reports. If anyone had any vision > these days for truly remarkable challenges rather than being mired down > in issues about whose flings are being hurt, we would be > building components for these on the moon and launching to LEO where > they would be assembled robotically. No nuclear waste to deal with, all > the power you could want. > > --FT > > On 4/4/19 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and > > thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you get > your > > power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect > perfection > > all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I agree with > > you about collateral damage to birds from the wind turbines, but that > > problem is going to be overcome with offshore wind development, where it > > has less effect on birds. > > > > And the tired old song about the Sun not shining at night will be > overcome > > through the evolution of storage batteries. Many utilities are already > > installing these. > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 4:16 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. > >>> > >> But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to > >> ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. > >> > >> Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range. They take too long to > >> re-charge. Battery technology is not at a point where they are > practical. > >> > >> And, the infrastructure is not there to charge them. Solar does not work > >> in the dark. Not bad in Arizona. Not so good in Manitoba, especially in > >> winter. > >> > >> Windmills kill the birds migrating through their path. I am surprised > >> the environmental crowd does not get the windmills banned for that > >> reason alone. > >> > >> Nuclear is there but, as you pointed out yesterday, we have a problem > >> with the leftovers. Until they find a way to totally use up nuclear fuel > >> so that it does not pose a danger, there is the question of what to do > >> with the stuff that has no further use but is dangerous for the lord > >> only knows how long. > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The sun shines continuously a few thousand miles away https://www.wired.com/2014/04/solar-power-satellites-a-visual-introduction/ Full disclosure: My first grown-up job was working for Peter Glaser on SPS-related work. His sweet secretary facilitated that job after we spoke a coupla times on the phone. I think I wrote some of the content of one or two of those referenced reports. If anyone had any vision these days for truly remarkable challenges rather than being mired down in issues about whose flings are being hurt, we would be building components for these on the moon and launching to LEO where they would be assembled robotically. No nuclear waste to deal with, all the power you could want. --FT On 4/4/19 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you get your power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect perfection all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I agree with you about collateral damage to birds from the wind turbines, but that problem is going to be overcome with offshore wind development, where it has less effect on birds. And the tired old song about the Sun not shining at night will be overcome through the evolution of storage batteries. Many utilities are already installing these. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 4:16 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range. They take too long to re-charge. Battery technology is not at a point where they are practical. And, the infrastructure is not there to charge them. Solar does not work in the dark. Not bad in Arizona. Not so good in Manitoba, especially in winter. Windmills kill the birds migrating through their path. I am surprised the environmental crowd does not get the windmills banned for that reason alone. Nuclear is there but, as you pointed out yesterday, we have a problem with the leftovers. Until they find a way to totally use up nuclear fuel so that it does not pose a danger, there is the question of what to do with the stuff that has no further use but is dangerous for the lord only knows how long. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
Ummm, I was arguing against Andrew on this one, or at least his idea that hydro was going to produce energy enough for everybody to drive an electric car. Again an electric car isn't for everybody or for every mission any person might make. Owning a car is always about living with the compromises of that car. The easiest way to go is that which you've taken your F150 wouldn't be a good choice for a city dweller but you could probably get away with it in most cases, the biggest compromise is the amount of fuel it needs. A good sedan could do maybe 90% of what most people buy a pickup truck for but that last 10% it can't do at all. Thats remembering that most trucks will almost never go off the paved road... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 5:11:35 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: OK, uncle! I give up. You have convinced me to swap my F150 for a Tesla. I will move out of the city and buy some acreage so I can put up enough solar panels to keep it charged! On 04/04/2019 4:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Hydro is an environmental disaster, dams are coming down all over the place >with huge pushes to "restore the river"... > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK, uncle! I give up. You have convinced me to swap my F150 for a Tesla. I will move out of the city and buy some acreage so I can put up enough solar panels to keep it charged! On 04/04/2019 4:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Hydro is an environmental disaster, dams are coming down all over the place with huge pushes to "restore the river"... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
Hydro is an environmental disaster, dams are coming down all over the place with huge pushes to "restore the river"... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 4:26:51 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you get your power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect perfection all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I agree with you about collateral damage to birds from the wind turbines, but that problem is going to be overcome with offshore wind development, where it has less effect on birds. And the tired old song about the Sun not shining at night will be overcome through the evolution of storage batteries. Many utilities are already installing these. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 4:16 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. > > > But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to > ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. > > Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range. They take too long to > re-charge. Battery technology is not at a point where they are practical. > > And, the infrastructure is not there to charge them. Solar does not work > in the dark. Not bad in Arizona. Not so good in Manitoba, especially in > winter. > > Windmills kill the birds migrating through their path. I am surprised > the environmental crowd does not get the windmills banned for that > reason alone. > > Nuclear is there but, as you pointed out yesterday, we have a problem > with the leftovers. Until they find a way to totally use up nuclear fuel > so that it does not pose a danger, there is the question of what to do > with the stuff that has no further use but is dangerous for the lord > only knows how long. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy,This is also not true, there are MANY electric cars on the road today and just because they don't fit your needs or lifestyle that doesn't mean they aren't an excellent choice for somebody else. Your F150 would be a really stupid vehicle for somebody living in a big city, does that make it "bad"? Its just the wrong choice in that instance. Electric vehicles are a reality and will be more common as time goes on. Charging times are down, energy capacity is up and those trends will continue... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 4:16:41 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. > But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range. They take too long to re-charge. Battery technology is not at a point where they are practical. And, the infrastructure is not there to charge them. Solar does not work in the dark. Not bad in Arizona. Not so good in Manitoba, especially in winter. Windmills kill the birds migrating through their path. I am surprised the environmental crowd does not get the windmills banned for that reason alone. Nuclear is there but, as you pointed out yesterday, we have a problem with the leftovers. Until they find a way to totally use up nuclear fuel so that it does not pose a danger, there is the question of what to do with the stuff that has no further use but is dangerous for the lord only knows how long. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
I agree that being lied to is not progress. Dwight E. Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 3:39 PM Dwight Giles wrote: > I agree. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 3:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > >> This is your daughter saying "I'm not having pre-martial sex because >> anal doesn't count." its a lie so fundamental it makes me question >> everything else said. >> Remember I LIKE electric cars, they're fun to drive and can be quite good >> in some situations, not for every situation but in many cases. I really >> dislike liars. If you're lying to me about "no pollution" what else are you >> lying to me about? >> >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:58:28 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel < >> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As Dimitri's friend Gael would say, "the perfect is the enemy of the >> good." >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel >> wrote: >> >> So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white >> lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which >> would pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a >> blatant obvious lie too. >> Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel < >> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Curt Raymond wrote: >> >> What makes it "right"? >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via >> Mercedes wrote: >> >> Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes > > >> wrote: >> >> > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and >> rag >> > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in >> > anyway. >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com >> > > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an >> EMP >> > > event? >> > > >> > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? >> > > > >> > > > > -Original Message- >> > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf >> Of >> > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM >> > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List >> > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel >> > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future >> > > > > >> > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in >> 2021Published: >> > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 >> > > > > >> > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric >> aircraft, >> > > but >> > > > a >> > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've >> found a >> > > > quicker >> > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with >> > > batteries >> > > > and an >> > > > > electric motor. >> > > > > >> > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air >> > Ltd. >> > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX >> Technologies, >> > > > pending >> > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. >> > > > > >> > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor >> and >> > > > lithium- >> > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver >> > aircraft, >> > > > which >> > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. >> > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. >> > > > > >> > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified >> by >> > > > both U.S. and >> > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's >> founder >> > > and >> > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The >> suburban >> > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers >> each >> > > year >> > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. >> > > > > >> > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to >> > > > become so >> > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's >> something >> > > > going >> > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural >> evolution." >> > > > > >> > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft >> programs in >> > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland >> > Berger >> > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc.,
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
EV vehicles are not a dream, Randy. There are thousands of them and thousands more are selling every month. In Manitoba, where do you get your power? The answer is hydro. You are like Curt in that you expect perfection all at once. The trend is definitely towards solar and wind. I agree with you about collateral damage to birds from the wind turbines, but that problem is going to be overcome with offshore wind development, where it has less effect on birds. And the tired old song about the Sun not shining at night will be overcome through the evolution of storage batteries. Many utilities are already installing these. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 4:16 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. > > > But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to > ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. > > Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range. They take too long to > re-charge. Battery technology is not at a point where they are practical. > > And, the infrastructure is not there to charge them. Solar does not work > in the dark. Not bad in Arizona. Not so good in Manitoba, especially in > winter. > > Windmills kill the birds migrating through their path. I am surprised > the environmental crowd does not get the windmills banned for that > reason alone. > > Nuclear is there but, as you pointed out yesterday, we have a problem > with the leftovers. Until they find a way to totally use up nuclear fuel > so that it does not pose a danger, there is the question of what to do > with the stuff that has no further use but is dangerous for the lord > only knows how long. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] one for clay
On 04/04/2019 12:55 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: That could work, but the guy who was going to do the job has just closed his shop. I did contact some other shops close to my car. They all wanted to source the engines themselves, and that was going to be Metric motors. No more smart guys who work on our cars, who can do kludge jobs the way this needs doing clay monroe Hire Curley. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
On 04/04/2019 12:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. But, we are all old enough the only electric vehicles we are likely to ultimately find to be practical will be wheelchairs. Electric vehicles are a dream. They have no range. They take too long to re-charge. Battery technology is not at a point where they are practical. And, the infrastructure is not there to charge them. Solar does not work in the dark. Not bad in Arizona. Not so good in Manitoba, especially in winter. Windmills kill the birds migrating through their path. I am surprised the environmental crowd does not get the windmills banned for that reason alone. Nuclear is there but, as you pointed out yesterday, we have a problem with the leftovers. Until they find a way to totally use up nuclear fuel so that it does not pose a danger, there is the question of what to do with the stuff that has no further use but is dangerous for the lord only knows how long. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 3:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > This is your daughter saying "I'm not having pre-martial sex because anal > doesn't count." its a lie so fundamental it makes me question everything > else said. > Remember I LIKE electric cars, they're fun to drive and can be quite good > in some situations, not for every situation but in many cases. I really > dislike liars. If you're lying to me about "no pollution" what else are you > lying to me about? > > -Curt > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:58:28 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel < > astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > As Dimitri's friend Gael would say, "the perfect is the enemy of the > good." > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, > that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would > pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a > blatant obvious lie too. > Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... > -Curt > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel < > astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Curt Raymond wrote: > > What makes it "right"? > -Curt > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via > Mercedes wrote: > > Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and > rag > > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > > anyway. > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > > > event? > > > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric > aircraft, > > > but > > > > a > > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found > a > > > > quicker > > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > > > batteries > > > > and an > > > > > electric motor. > > > > > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air > > Ltd. > > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > > > pending > > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor > and > > > > lithium- > > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > > aircraft, > > > > which > > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified > by > > > > both U.S. and > > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's > founder > > > and > > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The > suburban > > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers > each > > > year > > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > > > become so > > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's > something > > > > going > > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural > evolution." > > > > > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs > in > > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland > > Berger > > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways > > Corp., > > > > aims > > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while > > Joby > > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on > a > > > > five-seat > > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. >
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You are too easily offended. Get off your high horse. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 3:04 PM Curt Raymond wrote: > This is your daughter saying "I'm not having pre-martial sex because anal > doesn't count." its a lie so fundamental it makes me question everything > else said. > > Remember I LIKE electric cars, they're fun to drive and can be quite good > in some situations, not for every situation but in many cases. I really > dislike liars. If you're lying to me about "no pollution" what else are you > lying to me about? > > -Curt > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:58:28 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel < > astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > As Dimitri's friend Gael would say, "the perfect is the enemy of the good." > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, > that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would > pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a > blatant obvious lie too. > Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... > -Curt > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel < > astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Curt Raymond wrote: > > What makes it "right"? > -Curt > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via > Mercedes wrote: > > Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and > rag > > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > > anyway. > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > > > event? > > > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric > aircraft, > > > but > > > > a > > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found > a > > > > quicker > > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > > > batteries > > > > and an > > > > > electric motor. > > > > > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air > > Ltd. > > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > > > pending > > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor > and > > > > lithium- > > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > > aircraft, > > > > which > > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified > by > > > > both U.S. and > > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's > founder > > > and > > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The > suburban > > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers > each > > > year > > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > > > become so > > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's > something > > > > going > > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural > evolution." > > > > > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs > in > > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland > > Berger > > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways > > Corp., > > > > aims > > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while > > Joby > > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on > a > > > > five-seat > > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > > > > > > >
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This is your daughter saying "I'm not having pre-martial sex because anal doesn't count." its a lie so fundamental it makes me question everything else said. Remember I LIKE electric cars, they're fun to drive and can be quite good in some situations, not for every situation but in many cases. I really dislike liars. If you're lying to me about "no pollution" what else are you lying to me about? -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:58:28 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: As Dimitri's friend Gael would say, "the perfect is the enemy of the good." On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a blatant obvious lie too. Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Curt Raymond wrote: What makes it "right"? -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and rag > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > anyway. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > > event? > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, > > but > > > a > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a > > > quicker > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > > batteries > > > and an > > > > electric motor. > > > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air > Ltd. > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > > pending > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and > > > lithium- > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > aircraft, > > > which > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by > > > both U.S. and > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's founder > > and > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The suburban > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers each > > year > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > > become so > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something > > > going > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." > > > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland > Berger > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways > Corp., > > > aims > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while > Joby > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a > > > five-seat > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > > > aviation, said > > > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > > > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing > is > > > rated for > > > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as long > as > > > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute > > > reserve on > > > > the batteries. >
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As Dimitri's friend Gael would say, "the perfect is the enemy of the good." On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:53 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, > that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would > pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a >> blatant obvious lie too. >> Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel < >> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Curt Raymond wrote: >> >> What makes it "right"? >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via >> Mercedes wrote: >> >> Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes > > >> wrote: >> >> > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and >> rag >> > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in >> > anyway. >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com >> > > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an >> EMP >> > > event? >> > > >> > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? >> > > > >> > > > > -Original Message- >> > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf >> Of >> > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM >> > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List >> > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel >> > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future >> > > > > >> > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in >> 2021Published: >> > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 >> > > > > >> > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric >> aircraft, >> > > but >> > > > a >> > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've >> found a >> > > > quicker >> > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with >> > > batteries >> > > > and an >> > > > > electric motor. >> > > > > >> > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air >> > Ltd. >> > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX >> Technologies, >> > > > pending >> > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. >> > > > > >> > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor >> and >> > > > lithium- >> > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver >> > aircraft, >> > > > which >> > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. >> > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. >> > > > > >> > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified >> by >> > > > both U.S. and >> > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's >> founder >> > > and >> > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The >> suburban >> > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers >> each >> > > year >> > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. >> > > > > >> > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to >> > > > become so >> > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's >> something >> > > > going >> > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural >> evolution." >> > > > > >> > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft >> programs in >> > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland >> > Berger >> > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways >> > Corp., >> > > > aims >> > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while >> > Joby >> > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working >> on a >> > > > five-seat >> > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. >> > > > > >> > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in >> > > > aviation, said >> > > > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The >> > > > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight >> testing >> > is >> > > > rated for >> > > > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as >> long >> > as >> > > > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute >> > > > reserve on >> > > > > the batteries. >> > > > > >> > > > >
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This isn't a "little white lie" its a massive "Everything I'm saying is wrong" lie... On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:53:50 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a blatant obvious lie too. Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Curt Raymond wrote: What makes it "right"? -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and rag > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > anyway. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > > event? > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, > > but > > > a > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a > > > quicker > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > > batteries > > > and an > > > > electric motor. > > > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air > Ltd. > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > > pending > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and > > > lithium- > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > aircraft, > > > which > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by > > > both U.S. and > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's founder > > and > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The suburban > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers each > > year > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > > become so > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something > > > going > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." > > > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland > Berger > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways > Corp., > > > aims > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while > Joby > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a > > > five-seat > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > > > aviation, said > > > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > > > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing > is > > > rated for > > > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as long > as > > > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute > > > reserve on > > > > the batteries. > > > > > > > > The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver > > model > > > > powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, > > > Harbour > > > > plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes > to > > > electric > > > > motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win regulatory > > > certifications > > > > both for the electric propulsion system and for commercial > conversions > >
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So if I understand you correctly, if there is one single little white lie, that would offend you more than relying on coal-fired emissions which would pollute the air and shorten your life span. Is that correct? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 2:34 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a > blatant obvious lie too. > Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... > -Curt > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel < > astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Curt Raymond wrote: > > What makes it "right"? > -Curt > > On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via > Mercedes wrote: > > Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and > rag > > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > > anyway. > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > > > event? > > > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric > aircraft, > > > but > > > > a > > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found > a > > > > quicker > > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > > > batteries > > > > and an > > > > > electric motor. > > > > > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air > > Ltd. > > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > > > pending > > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor > and > > > > lithium- > > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > > aircraft, > > > > which > > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified > by > > > > both U.S. and > > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's > founder > > > and > > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The > suburban > > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers > each > > > year > > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > > > become so > > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's > something > > > > going > > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural > evolution." > > > > > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs > in > > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland > > Berger > > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways > > Corp., > > > > aims > > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while > > Joby > > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on > a > > > > five-seat > > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > > > > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > > > > aviation, said > > > > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > > > > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight > testing > > is > > > > rated for > > > > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as > long > > as > > > > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute > > > > reserve on > > > > > the batteries. > > > > > > > > > > The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver > > > model > > > > > powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, > > > > Harbour > > > > > plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes > > to > > > > electric > > > > > motors,
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I have a problem with being lied to about "no emissions". Its such a blatant obvious lie too. Actually the worst is the "Partial zero emissions"... -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 2:30:21 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Dos Curt have a problem with breathing unpolluted air? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Curt Raymond wrote: What makes it "right"? -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and rag > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > anyway. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > > event? > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, > > but > > > a > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a > > > quicker > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > > batteries > > > and an > > > > electric motor. > > > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air > Ltd. > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > > pending > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and > > > lithium- > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > aircraft, > > > which > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by > > > both U.S. and > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's founder > > and > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The suburban > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers each > > year > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > > become so > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something > > > going > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." > > > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland > Berger > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways > Corp., > > > aims > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while > Joby > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a > > > five-seat > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > > > aviation, said > > > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > > > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing > is > > > rated for > > > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as long > as > > > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute > > > reserve on > > > > the batteries. > > > > > > > > The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver > > model > > > > powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, > > > Harbour > > > > plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes > to > > > electric > > > > motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win regulatory > > > certifications > > > > both for the electric propulsion system and for commercial > conversions > > > of the > > > > de Havilland aircraft. McDougall said one primary goal of the testing > > > will be to > > > > show that the electric motor is "at least as safe or safer" than the > > > current > > > > engine. > > > > > > > > Longer term, Ganzarski predicts that electric motors will lead to a > > > "resurgence" > > > > in the regional airline industry for trips under 1,000 miles with new > > > aircraft > > > > designed for 10-25 passengers.
Re: [MBZ] one for clay
That could work, but the guy who was going to do the job has just closed his shop. I did contact some other shops close to my car. They all wanted to source the engines themselves, and that was going to be Metric motors. No more smart guys who work on our cars, who can do kludge jobs the way this needs doing clay monroe > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm > looking for didn't fall out. > On Apr 3, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Here's your engine > > https://mobile.craigslist.org/pts/d/mobile-1984-mercedes-benz-300sd-parts/6850961990.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 12:28:24 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? There are too many holes and slots in the aluminum skin for it to be an effective Faraday cage. > Now a tube and rag plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the > blast would do it in anyway. The whole point of initiating an EMP event is to cover as much area on the ground as possible, so the device is detonated much above the atmosphere. The atoms which make up the device are ionized and become the accelerating charge which causes the EMP. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
What makes it "right"? -Curt On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:36:55 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and rag > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > anyway. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > > event? > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, > > but > > > a > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a > > > quicker > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > > batteries > > > and an > > > > electric motor. > > > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air > Ltd. > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > > pending > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and > > > lithium- > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > aircraft, > > > which > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by > > > both U.S. and > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's founder > > and > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The suburban > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers each > > year > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > > become so > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something > > > going > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." > > > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland > Berger > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways > Corp., > > > aims > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while > Joby > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a > > > five-seat > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > > > aviation, said > > > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > > > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing > is > > > rated for > > > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as long > as > > > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute > > > reserve on > > > > the batteries. > > > > > > > > The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver > > model > > > > powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, > > > Harbour > > > > plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes > to > > > electric > > > > motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win regulatory > > > certifications > > > > both for the electric propulsion system and for commercial > conversions > > > of the > > > > de Havilland aircraft. McDougall said one primary goal of the testing > > > will be to > > > > show that the electric motor is "at least as safe or safer" than the > > > current > > > > engine. > > > > > > > > Longer term, Ganzarski predicts that electric motors will lead to a > > > "resurgence" > > > > in the regional airline industry for trips under 1,000 miles with new > > > aircraft > > > > designed for 10-25 passengers. North American carriers have struggled > > to > > > fly in > > > > some of the smallest markets as most commercial aircraft flying today > > > have at > > > > least 50 seats, too many for thinner routes. > > > > > > > > "By 2025, 1,000 miles is going to be easily done," Ganzarski said, > > based > > > on the > > > > evolution of current
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Think positively: we're heading in the right direction. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:29 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and rag > plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in > anyway. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > > event? > > > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, > > but > > > a > > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a > > > quicker > > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > > batteries > > > and an > > > > electric motor. > > > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air > Ltd. > > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > > pending > > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and > > > lithium- > > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > aircraft, > > > which > > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by > > > both U.S. and > > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's founder > > and > > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The suburban > > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers each > > year > > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > > become so > > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something > > > going > > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." > > > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in > > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland > Berger > > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways > Corp., > > > aims > > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while > Joby > > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a > > > five-seat > > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > > > aviation, said > > > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > > > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing > is > > > rated for > > > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as long > as > > > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute > > > reserve on > > > > the batteries. > > > > > > > > The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver > > model > > > > powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, > > > Harbour > > > > plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes > to > > > electric > > > > motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win regulatory > > > certifications > > > > both for the electric propulsion system and for commercial > conversions > > > of the > > > > de Havilland aircraft. McDougall said one primary goal of the testing > > > will be to > > > > show that the electric motor is "at least as safe or safer" than the > > > current > > > > engine. > > > > > > > > Longer term, Ganzarski predicts that electric motors will lead to a > > > "resurgence" > > > > in the regional airline industry for trips under 1,000 miles with new > > > aircraft > > > > designed for 10-25 passengers. North American carriers have struggled > > to > > > fly in > > > > some of the smallest markets as most commercial aircraft flying today > > > have at > > > > least 50 seats, too many for thinner routes. > > > > > > > > "By 2025, 1,000 miles is going to be easily done," Ganzarski said, > > based > > > on the > > > > evolution of current battery technologies. "I'm not saying 5,000 > miles, > > > but > > > > 1,000 miles, easily. I don't think that's far-fetched or a
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
Wouldn't the aluminum skin/frame make a Faraday shield? Now a tube and rag plane would probably fall out of the sky - but the blast would do it in anyway. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP > event? > > Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, > but > > a > > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a > > quicker > > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > batteries > > and an > > > electric motor. > > > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air Ltd. > > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > > pending > > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and > > lithium- > > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver aircraft, > > which > > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by > > both U.S. and > > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's founder > and > > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The suburban > > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers each > year > > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > > become so > > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something > > going > > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." > > > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in > > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland Berger > > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp., > > aims > > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while Joby > > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a > > five-seat > > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > > aviation, said > > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing is > > rated for > > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as long as > > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute > > reserve on > > > the batteries. > > > > > > The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver > model > > > powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, > > Harbour > > > plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes to > > electric > > > motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win regulatory > > certifications > > > both for the electric propulsion system and for commercial conversions > > of the > > > de Havilland aircraft. McDougall said one primary goal of the testing > > will be to > > > show that the electric motor is "at least as safe or safer" than the > > current > > > engine. > > > > > > Longer term, Ganzarski predicts that electric motors will lead to a > > "resurgence" > > > in the regional airline industry for trips under 1,000 miles with new > > aircraft > > > designed for 10-25 passengers. North American carriers have struggled > to > > fly in > > > some of the smallest markets as most commercial aircraft flying today > > have at > > > least 50 seats, too many for thinner routes. > > > > > > "By 2025, 1,000 miles is going to be easily done," Ganzarski said, > based > > on the > > > evolution of current battery technologies. "I'm not saying 5,000 miles, > > but > > > 1,000 miles, easily. I don't think that's far-fetched or a > > pie-in-the-sky thing." > > > *— Justin Bachman, Bloomberg* > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > >
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
So now "renewable" share of power generation is up to maybe 3%? 4%? Lions share is coal, natural gas, nukes. I think natural gas may be eclipsed coal? - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:22 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Most new sources of power in the USA are renewable energy which is non > emitting (solar and wind), plus some geothermal. The trend is your > friend.. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:55 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Last summer there were 3 tesla cars in the Independence Day parade, > > complete with banner proclaiming "zero emissions." A couple of them > > were also in the local car show, with the banner. The show is pretty > > good sized. There are probably 200-300 cars there. I did not > > challenge them, but If I see similar lies this summer, I have a strategy > > to question them about where and how the things are made, and let them > > come to the realization that the "zero emissions" is feel good > > propaganda, otherwise known as a lie. > > > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 7:12 AM: > > > Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, > > > electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of > > > propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese > maglev > > > train, which "produces no pollution". I threw up a bit in my mouth, > but > > > pressed on with addressing the actual questions she had and checking > her > > > answers. Many times I've pointed out that electric cars are really > just > > > moving the pollution generation to the power plant which is usually > coal > > > powered and far more polluting (spewing uranium and mercury and other > > heavy > > > metals into the air). I call them coal powered cars, she gets it. > I'll > > > make a point of that maglev train "no pollution" fallacy later today. > > > - > > > Max > > > Charleston SC > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
There is emission in the manufacture of the panels and turbines though, and it takes a LOT of them. "No such thing as a free lunch". I guess thorium reactors are the closest we'll come to it. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:22 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Most new sources of power in the USA are renewable energy which is non > emitting (solar and wind), plus some geothermal. The trend is your > friend.. > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:55 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Last summer there were 3 tesla cars in the Independence Day parade, > > complete with banner proclaiming "zero emissions." A couple of them > > were also in the local car show, with the banner. The show is pretty > > good sized. There are probably 200-300 cars there. I did not > > challenge them, but If I see similar lies this summer, I have a strategy > > to question them about where and how the things are made, and let them > > come to the realization that the "zero emissions" is feel good > > propaganda, otherwise known as a lie. > > > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 7:12 AM: > > > Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, > > > electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of > > > propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese > maglev > > > train, which "produces no pollution". I threw up a bit in my mouth, > but > > > pressed on with addressing the actual questions she had and checking > her > > > answers. Many times I've pointed out that electric cars are really > just > > > moving the pollution generation to the power plant which is usually > coal > > > powered and far more polluting (spewing uranium and mercury and other > > heavy > > > metals into the air). I call them coal powered cars, she gets it. > I'll > > > make a point of that maglev train "no pollution" fallacy later today. > > > - > > > Max > > > Charleston SC > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
Which raises another question. What happens to an EV airplane in an EMP event? Will the computer nannies have thought to built in protections? On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:03 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, but > a > > Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a > quicker > > route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with batteries > and an > > electric motor. > > > > The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air Ltd. > > would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > pending > > regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > > > > They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and > lithium- > > ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver aircraft, > which > > seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > > The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > > > > The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by > both U.S. and > > Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's founder and > > chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The suburban > > Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers each year > > from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > > > > "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > become so > > prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something > going > > electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." > > > > Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in > > development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland Berger > > GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp., > aims > > to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while Joby > > Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a > five-seat > > aircraft with a 150-mile range. > > > > Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > aviation, said > > Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > > magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing is > rated for > > 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as long as > > Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute > reserve on > > the batteries. > > > > The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver model > > powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, > Harbour > > plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes to > electric > > motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win regulatory > certifications > > both for the electric propulsion system and for commercial conversions > of the > > de Havilland aircraft. McDougall said one primary goal of the testing > will be to > > show that the electric motor is "at least as safe or safer" than the > current > > engine. > > > > Longer term, Ganzarski predicts that electric motors will lead to a > "resurgence" > > in the regional airline industry for trips under 1,000 miles with new > aircraft > > designed for 10-25 passengers. North American carriers have struggled to > fly in > > some of the smallest markets as most commercial aircraft flying today > have at > > least 50 seats, too many for thinner routes. > > > > "By 2025, 1,000 miles is going to be easily done," Ganzarski said, based > on the > > evolution of current battery technologies. "I'm not saying 5,000 miles, > but > > 1,000 miles, easily. I don't think that's far-fetched or a > pie-in-the-sky thing." > > *— Justin Bachman, Bloomberg* > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
Most new sources of power in the USA are renewable energy which is non emitting (solar and wind), plus some geothermal. The trend is your friend.. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:55 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Last summer there were 3 tesla cars in the Independence Day parade, > complete with banner proclaiming "zero emissions." A couple of them > were also in the local car show, with the banner. The show is pretty > good sized. There are probably 200-300 cars there. I did not > challenge them, but If I see similar lies this summer, I have a strategy > to question them about where and how the things are made, and let them > come to the realization that the "zero emissions" is feel good > propaganda, otherwise known as a lie. > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 7:12 AM: > > Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, > > electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of > > propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese maglev > > train, which "produces no pollution". I threw up a bit in my mouth, but > > pressed on with addressing the actual questions she had and checking her > > answers. Many times I've pointed out that electric cars are really just > > moving the pollution generation to the power plant which is usually coal > > powered and far more polluting (spewing uranium and mercury and other > heavy > > metals into the air). I call them coal powered cars, she gets it. I'll > > make a point of that maglev train "no pollution" fallacy later today. > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] nice 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300 E 2.8 Sedan $2k
Ha yeah it's a 280E. The guy probably bought it and trying to flip it, knows nothing about the car --FT On 4/4/19 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I give up - what is it? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:58 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/309070016447169/ -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] nice 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300 E 2.8 Sedan $2k
I give up - what is it? On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:58 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/309070016447169/ > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] nice 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300 E 2.8 Sedan $2k
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/309070016447169/ -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] anyone interested in cheap 91 300E?
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Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
Last summer there were 3 tesla cars in the Independence Day parade, complete with banner proclaiming "zero emissions." A couple of them were also in the local car show, with the banner. The show is pretty good sized. There are probably 200-300 cars there. I did not challenge them, but If I see similar lies this summer, I have a strategy to question them about where and how the things are made, and let them come to the realization that the "zero emissions" is feel good propaganda, otherwise known as a lie. Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 7:12 AM: Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese maglev train, which "produces no pollution". I threw up a bit in my mouth, but pressed on with addressing the actual questions she had and checking her answers. Many times I've pointed out that electric cars are really just moving the pollution generation to the power plant which is usually coal powered and far more polluting (spewing uranium and mercury and other heavy metals into the air). I call them coal powered cars, she gets it. I'll make a point of that maglev train "no pollution" fallacy later today. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 4/4/19 7:12 AM: Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese maglev train, which "produces no pollution". I threw up a bit in my mouth, but pressed on with addressing the actual questions she had and checking her answers. Many times I've pointed out that electric cars are really just moving the pollution generation to the power plant which is usually coal powered and far more polluting (spewing uranium and mercury and other heavy metals into the air). I call them coal powered cars, she gets it. I'll make a point of that maglev train "no pollution" fallacy later today. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 7:56 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: The hypocrisy of electric vehicles never ceases to amaze me. If you like EVs that’s fine especially if you have a solar panel at your home to charge them but the vast majority of people just use power from the grid. This power has to come from somewhere. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: BS Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/3/19 8:58 AM: Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, but a Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a quicker route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with batteries and an electric motor. The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air Ltd. would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, pending regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and lithium-ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver aircraft, which seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by both U.S. and Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's founder and chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The suburban Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers each year from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to become so prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something going electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland Berger GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp., aims to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while Joby Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a five-seat aircraft with a 150-mile range. Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in aviation, said Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing is rated for 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as long as Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute reserve on the batteries. The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver model powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, Harbour plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes to electric motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win regulatory certifications both for the electric propulsion system and for commercial conversions of the de Havilland aircraft. McDougall said one primary goal of the testing will be to show that the electric motor is "at least as safe or safer" than the current engine. Longer term, Ganzarski predicts that electric motors will lead to a "resurgence" in the regional airline industry for trips under 1,000 miles with new aircraft designed for 10-25 passengers. North American carriers have struggled to fly in some of the smallest markets as most commercial aircraft flying today have at least 50 seats, too many for thinner routes. "By 2025, 1,000 miles is going to be easily done," Ganzarski said, based on the evolution of current battery technologies. "I'm not saying 5,000 miles, but 1,000 miles, easily. I don't think that's far-fetched or a pie-in-the-sky thing." *— Justin Bachman, Bloomberg* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
Last night I was helping my daughter with her science homework, electricity, magnetism and electromagnets. Her science book is full of propaganda: the opening page on electromagnets is about a chinese maglev train, which "produces no pollution". I threw up a bit in my mouth, but pressed on with addressing the actual questions she had and checking her answers. Many times I've pointed out that electric cars are really just moving the pollution generation to the power plant which is usually coal powered and far more polluting (spewing uranium and mercury and other heavy metals into the air). I call them coal powered cars, she gets it. I'll make a point of that maglev train "no pollution" fallacy later today. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 7:56 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The hypocrisy of electric vehicles never ceases to amaze me. If you like > EVs that’s fine especially if you have a solar panel at your home to charge > them but the vast majority of people just use power from the grid. This > power has to come from somewhere. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 3, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > BS > > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/3/19 8:58 AM: > >> Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > >> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > >> > >> There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, > but a > >> Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a > >> quicker route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with > >> batteries and an electric motor. > >> > >> The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air Ltd. > >> would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, > pending > >> regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. > >> > >> They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and > >> lithium-ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver > >> aircraft, which seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. > >> The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. > >> > >> The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by > both > >> U.S. and Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's > >> founder and chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The > >> suburban Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers > >> each year from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. > >> > >> "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to > become > >> so prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something > >> going electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural > evolution." > >> > >> Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in > >> development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland Berger > >> GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp., > aims > >> to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while Joby > >> Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a > >> five-seat aircraft with a 150-mile range. > >> > >> Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in > aviation, > >> said Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The > >> magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing is > >> rated for 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice > as > >> long as Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a > 30-minute > >> reserve on the batteries. > >> > >> The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver model > >> powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, > Harbour > >> plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes to > >> electric motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win > regulatory > >> certifications both for the electric propulsion system and for > commercial > >> conversions of the de Havilland aircraft. McDougall said one primary > goal > >> of the testing will be to show that the electric motor is "at least as > safe > >> or safer" than the current engine. > >> > >> Longer term, Ganzarski predicts that electric motors will lead to a > >> "resurgence" in the regional airline industry for trips under 1,000 > miles > >> with new aircraft designed for 10-25 passengers. North American carriers > >> have struggled to fly in some of the smallest markets as most commercial > >> aircraft flying today have at least 50 seats, too many for thinner > routes. > >> > >> "By 2025, 1,000 miles is going to be easily done," Ganzarski said, > based on > >> the evolution of current battery technologies. "I'm not saying 5,000 > miles, > >> but 1,000 miles, easily. I don't think that's far-fetched or a > >> pie-in-the-sky thing." *— Justin Bachman, Bloomberg*
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
The hypocrisy of electric vehicles never ceases to amaze me. If you like EVs that’s fine especially if you have a solar panel at your home to charge them but the vast majority of people just use power from the grid. This power has to come from somewhere. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > BS > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/3/19 8:58 AM: >> Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: >> Wednesday, April 3, 2019 >> >> There's no shortage of companies working to build electric aircraft, but a >> Canadian airline and a Seattle-area engine maker say they've found a >> quicker route to electrification by converting a small bush plane with >> batteries and an electric motor. >> >> The first passenger flights for British Columbia-based Harbour Air Ltd. >> would be in late 2021 under a partnership with magniX Technologies, pending >> regulatory approvals, the companies said last week. >> >> They plan to swap kerosene fuel tanks for a magniX electric motor and >> lithium-ion battery packs on a Harbour Air de Havilland DHC-2 Beaver >> aircraft, which seats six passengers, to begin test flights in November. >> The propulsion system will have a range of about 100 miles. >> >> The goal is an emissions-free, quieter aircraft that is certified by both >> U.S. and Canadian aviation authorities, Greg McDougall, Harbour Air's >> founder and chief executive officer, said in a telephone interview. The >> suburban Vancouver-based seaplane company flies about 500,000 passengers >> each year from British Columbia and downtown Seattle. >> >> "I think electrification of all different vehicles now is going to become >> so prevalent it's just going to be something like, 'Oh, that's something >> going electric as well,'" McDougall said. "It's just a natural evolution." >> >> Worldwide, there are some 100 different electric-aircraft programs in >> development, according to an estimate by consulting firm Roland Berger >> GmbH. Zunum Aero Inc., backed by Boeing Co. and JetBlue Airways Corp., aims >> to bring a hybrid-electric commuter model to market by 2022, while Joby >> Aviation Inc., another JetBlue-backed electric firm, is working on a >> five-seat aircraft with a 150-mile range. >> >> Batteries remain the limiting factor for electrical propulsion in aviation, >> said Roei Ganzarski, magniX's CEO and a former Boeing executive. The >> magni500 electric motor to be used in the Harbour Air flight testing is >> rated for 750 horsepower and offers a 60-minute range, more than twice as >> long as Harbour's average flight, Ganzarski said, allowing for a 30-minute >> reserve on the batteries. >> >> The converted plane will weigh the same as the conventional Beaver model >> powered by a Pratt & Whitney PT6 engine, Ganzarski said. Over time, Harbour >> plans to convert its 15 Beavers and 22 DHC-3 Single Otter seaplanes to >> electric motors, McDougall said. The flight testing aims to win regulatory >> certifications both for the electric propulsion system and for commercial >> conversions of the de Havilland aircraft. McDougall said one primary goal >> of the testing will be to show that the electric motor is "at least as safe >> or safer" than the current engine. >> >> Longer term, Ganzarski predicts that electric motors will lead to a >> "resurgence" in the regional airline industry for trips under 1,000 miles >> with new aircraft designed for 10-25 passengers. North American carriers >> have struggled to fly in some of the smallest markets as most commercial >> aircraft flying today have at least 50 seats, too many for thinner routes. >> >> "By 2025, 1,000 miles is going to be easily done," Ganzarski said, based on >> the evolution of current battery technologies. "I'm not saying 5,000 miles, >> but 1,000 miles, easily. I don't think that's far-fetched or a >> pie-in-the-sky thing." *— Justin Bachman, Bloomberg* >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future
OUCH! - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 1:03 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Isn't that the same year the world ends from global warming? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2019 9:58 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel > > Subject: [MBZ] OT EV airplanes in the near future > > > > Commercial flights on electric engines may arrive in 2021Published: > > Wednesday, April 3, 2019 > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Darwin Awards
Aren't just for the young and dumb. Truly sad. https://nypost.com/2019/04/02/couple-dies-trying-to-protect-classic-car-in-a-giant-plastic-bag/ Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
