Re: [MBZ] the GIMP - was: Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
FWIW, GIMP is my go-to for most graphics applications.

-MMM-

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 10:29 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Craig wrote:
>
> > For the uninitiated, The Gimp is a freeware program which is
> > very similar in its function to Photoshop.
>
> I'm going to pick on you a bit, Craig.
>
> The GIMP is better described as "open source" or "free software" -
> but that is "free as in freedom, not free as in pizza".  Now, it
> happens to be no-cost also.  But the part significant to me is not
> the cost so much as the open nature - the freedom.
>
> Most of the time "freeware" is "all rights reserved" copyright
> software that happens to not cost money.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Good op-ed Article on VW's Dieselgate

2019-08-10 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Karl wrote:

> That L1 thing is tiny. I think the same chassis is on the road
> in China. Maybe just a diesel though. Anyway no way it weighs
> 3000lb. More like an i3 eg 2000lb. I think it was fore/aft
> seating like a small plane. That is how the drag area is so low.

Well, total drag is low - but the Cd of 0.15 is all about shape -
not size.  The frontal area of 11 square feet [1.022 m^2] is
size.  Fore-aft seating would account for that.

Fascinating stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] The end of the car hoarder saga is near

2019-08-10 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
I resemble that remark.  I fell down the rabbit hole and into previous geologic 
layers of collections.  Three days of assembling vintage Apple things and 
segregating them into logical groupings, then tossing onto CL.  I am getting a 
few bites.  The Benz items are also garnering interest, though they have been 
online for a few months.  The gathering of 20 diesel injectors and 14 glow 
plugs sold for $200.  Injectors would want rebuild.  I have no idea if the 
complete collection of MacAddict with the CDs will go, but if they do, a fellow 
on the bay of fleas is selling a set of one mag and its CD for $15 ea.  That 
would have more than paid to replace the engine in the SD.

Next layer will probably be the brewing and distillery items.

clay 


> On Aug 10, 2019, at 6:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Emergency call to Clay Calling Clay...
> Apparently, the fellow has a large property.. Might have been cheaper to
> fence the place with a 8 ft high enclosure so no one can see what in on the
> property...
> 
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 5:49 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Roughly two years ago, a Michigan township told retired Ford powertrain
>> dyno-cell technician Ron Dauzet that his 218-car automobile collection did
>> not comply with a local ordinance, and so the vehicles had to go. Since
>> then, the now-76-year-old has scrapped or sold approximately 180 cars, but
>> the township is still after him to finish the job. And time is quickly
>> running out.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.wonderpearl.com/two-years-and-180-cars-later-michigan-man-forced-to-sell-20-cars-a-month-has-eight-days-to-clear-his-lot/
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 The last video I made: https://youtu.be/hn9oBQkFWx0was on a GoPro Hero7. I'm 
really pleased with that although it was a bright day. The audio is pretty good 
and I hadn't gotten the external mic for it yet.
The next to last one: https://youtu.be/qon6cKADLkswas my Nikon D5600. I made a 
typo before, I wanted the 5600 because it has a flip out screen, its much 
easier to setup a shot when you can see yourself. I've got a Rode powered mic 
on that which increased my audio quality a lot.The Nikon has much better low 
light capability than the Sony FX1 I was using before.
Another important thing I've done is upgrade my lighting. I've got a 50w LED 
over my desk in the garage, its like 4,000 lumens, very bright, good color too. 
I've got a couple 9w LEDs for fill too. I use more light now than I ever have 
before and I think the results are worth it.
-Curt

On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 11:39:16 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt sez:

>, I wanted the flip out camera for making videos. Unfortunately for me the 
>Nikon's autofocus sucks for video.

What do you use for video? And yes, I'm sure I've asked that before.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Good point, I guess most of them don't though, I've used that trick a bunch. I 
just tested it with my Moto G7 and the hotel TV remote, worked fine.
Another place they come in handy is for seeing if the laser in a fibre 
transceiver is working. Point the fibre at the camera and see if the laser is 
coming through. 
Back in the 1Gb fibre days we used to look into the fibre and see the laser. 
With today's 10Gb fibre you'd be giving yourself lasik. The camera is a great 
option.
-Curt

On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 11:36:23 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 03:16:08 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  You should be able to verify that an IR remote is putting out signal
> by shooting it at a digital camera and watching the screen of the
> camera. What is invisible to our normal eyes poses no problem for a
> digital camera. -Curt

Unless it has an IR cut filter.

When I was in graduate student, a fellow in another lab used a child's
toy video camera to trace where his laser's IR beam, but he had to remove
the IR cut filter to allow the camera's detector to see the beam.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Curt sez:

>, I wanted the flip out camera for making videos. Unfortunately for me the 
>Nikon's autofocus sucks for video.

What do you use for video? And yes, I'm sure I've asked that before.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 I've been frustrated by GIMP but I know too much, its similar to Photoshop but 
not the same.Once Pshop went subscription only it was time for me to learn 
GIMP. The first thing I did was go through and convert all the keyboard 
shortcuts to Photoshop. That got me part way there, then I did a lot of 
googling on how to do each thing I wanted. There are lots of tutorials.
For a newcomer these things are kind of hard because they came from the way 
folks did things in the real art and graphic design world. I'm sure it'd be 
hard for me to learn it fresh. I started with Photoshop in 1995...
-Curt

On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 8:01:41 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Granted, it's been awhile (like 10 years?) but last time I tired to use
GIMP I found it totally un-intelligible - couldn't figure out how to do the
simplest things that were obvious in the many other programs I'd been
using. Time to try again I guess.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 5:21 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> Use The Gimp, available at https://www.gimp.org/
>
>      The Free & Open Source Image Editor
>
>      This is the official website of the GNU Image Manipulation Program
>      (GIMP).
>
>      GIMP is a cross-platform image editor available for GNU/Linux, OS X,
>      Windows and more operating systems. It is free software, you can
>      change its source code and distribute your changes.
>
>      Whether you are a graphic designer, photographer, illustrator, or
>      scientist, GIMP provides you with sophisticated tools to get your
>      job done. You can further enhance your productivity with GIMP thanks
>      to many customization options and 3rd party plugins.
>
> To convert negative images to positive images, it's a simple selection of
> the "invert" menu option.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
-- 
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 03:16:08 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  You should be able to verify that an IR remote is putting out signal
> by shooting it at a digital camera and watching the screen of the
> camera. What is invisible to our normal eyes poses no problem for a
> digital camera. -Curt

Unless it has an IR cut filter.

When I was in graduate student, a fellow in another lab used a child's
toy video camera to trace where his laser's IR beam, but he had to remove
the IR cut filter to allow the camera's detector to see the beam.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Good op-ed Article on VW's Dieselgate

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Wikipedia says 1753lb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car

-Curt

On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 4:23:22 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That L1 thing is tiny. I think the same chassis is on the road in China.
Maybe just a diesel though. Anyway no way it weighs 3000lb. More like an i3
eg 2000lb. I think it was fore/aft seating like a small plane. That is how
the drag area is so low.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 9:54 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Rick wrote:
>
> > https://www.unz.com/article/the-car-that-almost-was/
>
> I am skeptical of the 170 MPG claim.  I guess I know too much.
> Weight, drag, and size of the car are big factors.  It's a LOT
> more than just an efficient engine.  A W123 car with a 100%
> efficient engine would only get about 125 MPG.  That is why the 100 MPG
> carburetor is a myth.  Darn physics!
>
> But I did some number crunching using a spreadsheet I built a
> number of years ago relating to aerodynamics and fuel used.
>
> What I came up with surprised me.
>
> I think it's actually possible.  With a Cd of 0.2 and a frontal
> area of l8 square feet [1.673 m^2].  That's a small car.  But the
> engine has to be 45% efficient. That is _really_ efficient.  But
> if it's hybrid, it might be able to because it runs at one speed -
> ie, practically always at peak efficiency.
>
> I went looking for cars that might be that small.  And I found
> this list
> https://ecomodder.com/wiki/Vehicle_Coefficient_of_Drag_List
>
> ... and it _lists_ the L1!!!
>
> Cd of 0.15 and frontal area of 11 square feet [1.022 m^2] !  That
> is smth and small.  But with those numbers, and a guess of
> 3000 lb [1360 kg] the engine can be 30% efficient.  Not only is
> that believable, it's not very remarkable!
>
> Then I changed the accessories to be 20% cause with a tiny engine
> the A/C and such will be a bigger percentage.  And with an engine
> achieving 35% efficiency - which is noteworthy, but not at all
> unbelievable - it could reach 170 MPG.
>
> Using the same values for the engine, but making the car heavier
> and with a larger frontal area and with a still smooth but more
> realistic Cd of 0.2 - 90 MPG is possible.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 My dad took college deferments as long as he could. Then when they finally 
drafted him he requested "Downtown Saigon" as a duty station. He spent the war 
mapping Ethiopia...
My uncle Guy ended up a chopper pilot right in the thick of it. Musta been a 
good one, he made it back with all his bits intact.

-Curt

On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 12:25:11 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My SS number was 3.  Draft stopped in 75, or I'd have been blown up in Viet 
Nam for sure, that's the way my luck usually runs.
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Re: [MBZ] the GIMP - was: Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Craig wrote:

> For the uninitiated, The Gimp is a freeware program which is
> very similar in its function to Photoshop.

I'm going to pick on you a bit, Craig.

The GIMP is better described as "open source" or "free software" -
but that is "free as in freedom, not free as in pizza".  Now, it
happens to be no-cost also.  But the part significant to me is not
the cost so much as the open nature - the freedom.

Most of the time "freeware" is "all rights reserved" copyright
software that happens to not cost money.

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 How come your experience is the only one that counts? I put 100,000 miles each 
on 2x 616 and 2x 601 engines and I found that 5w40 was indistinguishable from 
15w50 at average temps and started better in the cold. No loud lifters, no 
rattly engine.
0w40 made for a loud 616 which started very well in the cold but leaked like 
crazy...
-Curt

On Friday, August 9, 2019, 11:16:26 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 What I am saying is from experience.    Mitch's theory is ok, but 
sometimes theories get blown to bits in the real world.

In really cold weather, the 15W-50 is like molasses on a cold day, and 
makes for hard starting. My OM603s did OK with the 10-40 stuff, back 
when it was real M1 and had enough zinc.   But I tried the 5W-40 and got 
rattly lifters (not a problem with the iron heads, but still signals 
that the oil is too thin.)  Also, the oil  consumption went way high 
with the 5w-x stuff, but was back to nothing with the 15W-50.

All y'all are free to put whatever ya want in yer engine.  I'm just 
'splainin what happens with an OM603 in real cold.   As Herr Doktor 
Booth said: OM603s and its 4 and 5 cyl versions are happy with 15w-50 M1 
with high zinc, down to about -10F.  Below that gets iffy.  the watery 
stuff causes lifter problems, and that is close enough to a lubrication 
problem for me to say NO.
All y'all are free to put whatever ya want in yer engine.

If you can plug in your engine heater all winter, every time, then 
15w-50 is great year round.  You just have to keep it at 0 or above for 
good starting.  (assuming 425 PSi compression)

Now that mobil is selling dino as M1, in most weights, but perhaps not 
the 15W-50, that is all the more reason to find REAL synthetic 15w50 for 
your OM603 diesel,  or at least use Real Dino oil with  high zinc (Delo 
or Delvac).

I still run Dino Delo or Delvac in the iron heads with more frequent 
changes due to higher soot levels.  10W-40 is good.



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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 On the other hand the "best" camera is the one you have. The advantage in a 
cell phone camera is that you've got it with you all the time...

-Curt

On Friday, August 9, 2019, 8:51:55 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm always amused by the notion that cell phone or iPad cameras are great.  
They are not, really, although to do good snapshot photos.

The reason the "work" well is that the lens is a 7 element, multicoated PLASTIC 
molding with an opening of f2.  Plenty of light on the teeny tiny sensor with 
itsy bitsy optical elements, plus a ton of post image processing that usually 
boosts saturation and contrast.  

Enlarge them very much and the quality drops off very quickly, and they cannot 
be used to produce offset prints, the image goes to much when it's screened  -- 
I have a buddy in charge of the printing department at the local university.  
No go, even the new ones.

The difficulty is when comparisons are made between even a mid-range DSLR and 
the phone camera.  Without fail the reviewers use the "package" lens on the 
DSLR with is barely good enough to call glorified junk.  Optimized for long 
zoom range, very small aperature (I've seen f4 to f6.3), would be unusable on a 
film camera unless you were on a white sand beach in bright sunlight.  Horrible 
distortion, the small aperature causes low light sensitivity (one fourth of the 
light per area of the phone camera) and typically far less post processing (or 
none, if you have a decent camera.

A real comparison would be the f1.8 35mm "normal" lens on the DLSR, or better 
the f2.8 Macro lens.  Flat field, amazing corner sharpness stopped down a bit, 
little or no distortion, all the things the fixed focal length fixed aperature 
phone camera lens gives you, plus the far larger area for each pixel set on the 
sensor.

Costs a bit more (a LOT more for the lenses, sadly), but if you are going to do 
anything more than share pics on the phone, use a DSLR.  You can even get one 
today for about $1500 that gives you ALMOST the resolution of a 35mm anything 
with a normal lens and Plus-X film if you have bright light.  Otherwise it's 
more like Tri-X

I will probably never be able to afford a digital camera with the resolution 
and contrast I could easily get with an Olympus OM-1, the f 1.8 50mm normal 
lens, and either Pan F or Agfapan 25..  And I won't mention Kodak Tech pan 
or microfilm.
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Angie has a D3300, I've got a D5600, I wanted the flip out camera for making 
videos. Unfortunately for me the Nikon's autofocus sucks for video... I really 
like the short 35-55mm lens though, very good for close work.
-Curt

On Friday, August 9, 2019, 9:19:47 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Nikon D3300 for all my photography, such as that you’ve seen on my blogs. I 
rarely use the camera on my phone for anything.

-D

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Very true - I keep telling my kids to use the real camera instead of the
> phone, well two of them have DSLRs and use them frequently. I am
> continually surprised by the quality of the images from the Nikon D750 -
> not the most pixels, and not the most expensive, but very good. My printer
> only goes to 13' x 19" - and it's the equal of most of my film prints in
> that range. No, I didn't get the package with the base lens - and I can use
> all of my old Nikon film camera lenses, just without the automation. I can
> still adjust the aperture and focus it. I do miss the anti-vibration
> feature of the DSLR lenses in low light though.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:51 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm always amused by the notion that cell phone or iPad cameras are
>> great.  They are not, really, although to do good snapshot photos.
>> 
>> The reason the "work" well is that the lens is a 7 element, multicoated
>> PLASTIC molding with an opening of f2.  Plenty of light on the teeny tiny
>> sensor with itsy bitsy optical elements, plus a ton of post image
>> processing that usually boosts saturation and contrast.
>> 
>> Enlarge them very much and the quality drops off very quickly, and they
>> cannot be used to produce offset prints, the image goes to much when it's
>> screened  -- I have a buddy in charge of the printing department at the
>> local university.  No go, even the new ones.
>> 
>> The difficulty is when comparisons are made between even a mid-range DSLR
>> and the phone camera.  Without fail the reviewers use the "package" lens on
>> the DSLR with is barely good enough to call glorified junk.  Optimized for
>> long zoom range, very small aperature (I've seen f4 to f6.3), would be
>> unusable on a film camera unless you were on a white sand beach in bright
>> sunlight.  Horrible distortion, the small aperature causes low light
>> sensitivity (one fourth of the light per area of the phone camera) and
>> typically far less post processing (or none, if you have a decent camera.
>> 
>> A real comparison would be the f1.8 35mm "normal" lens on the DLSR, or
>> better the f2.8 Macro lens.  Flat field, amazing corner sharpness stopped
>> down a bit, little or no distortion, all the things the fixed focal length
>> fixed aperature phone camera lens gives you, plus the far larger area for
>> each pixel set on the sensor.
>> 
>> Costs a bit more (a LOT more for the lenses, sadly), but if you are going
>> to do anything more than share pics on the phone, use a DSLR.  You can even
>> get one today for about $1500 that gives you ALMOST the resolution of a
>> 35mm anything with a normal lens and Plus-X film if you have bright light.
>> Otherwise it's more like Tri-X
>> 
>> I will probably never be able to afford a digital camera with the
>> resolution and contrast I could easily get with an Olympus OM-1, the f 1.8
>> 50mm normal lens, and either Pan F or Agfapan 25..  And I won't mention
>> Kodak Tech pan or microfilm.
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 He kind of learned his lesson though, his return heralded the B G3 which was 
the beginning of the best case design Apple ever had...
-Curt

On Friday, August 9, 2019, 7:42:26 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 This is hardly new -- Jobs insisted that the cases on the Mac be nearly 
impossible to open so he could charge a huge amount to install the memory 
needed to run the OS.

"Tech" has always been about fleecing the customer, at least as long as I've 
know about it.  Ross Perot got rich selling software that erased all the 
database data (permanently) if the customer didn't update their software 
annually at huge expense.  I remember computer science types complaining about 
it in the 70's.  Eventually the courts decided it was illegal, the data was NOT 
the property of the computer program seller, but the property of the user, and 
had to be preserved, and that "mandatory updates" were extortion, which they 
are.



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Re: [MBZ] This was weird, or maybe not

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 You should be able to verify that an IR remote is putting out signal by 
shooting it at a digital camera and watching the screen of the camera. What is 
invisible to our normal eyes poses no problem for a digital camera.
-Curt

On Friday, August 9, 2019, 4:16:01 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The key has an RFC chip in it, the battery shouldn’t have any effect on it’s 
ability to start. Same reason why a “Mickey Mouse” key will start and run the 
car as well.

Just for grins, try the remote at each door and the trunk in the dark. I say 
that because my 1997 SL500 fob won’t work in the daylight, but will in the 
dark. I can only assume that something has weakened the fob (this is with brand 
new batteries) or the system isn’t as sensitive as it used to be.

-D


> On Aug 9, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last week I thought I had locked the SL with the IR remote that shines at 
> receivers on the doors and trunk.  They have red and green lights that blink 
> red when it locks, green when it unlocks. I have noticed that the lights 
> don't all work, a green on one, a red on another, I think neither on the 
> trunk, and sometimes the key remote won't activate different lock receivers.  
> Maybe the batteries are getting low in the remotes, I'll have to check them.  
> These fobs have a key that flips out of a rectangular housing when you push a 
> little button, then a larger button to work the remote signal.
> 
> So I went to get in the car, hit the remote button aimed at the driver door, 
> then got in.  Tried to start the car, no go.  Ugh. Finally got out and 
> fiddled with the battery cables, tightened them, whatever.  Then it started 
> OK.  Same thing happened Wed evening, fooled with the battery, still no go.  
> I know the battery is good so it was confusing.  So for some reason I tried 
> the remote again at the driver door, which was open, and then tried to start 
> the car and bingo it worked.  So I am trying to figure out if the door 
> receiver is funky, or the key, or what.  i guess first thing is to change key 
> battery.
> 
> I guess this must be some immobilizer feature, ignition is disabled if the 
> locks are locked, although the driver door did not seem to be locking which 
> is why I could open it even though the car thought it was locked.
> 
> This thing gives me fits!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

2019-08-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 09 Aug 2019 20:47:53 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 9, and the fuse right next to it which I think is F.

That would be 9 and C.

Thanks, Max.


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[MBZ] Dan's iPhone 4s [was: Re: OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE]

2019-08-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 21:26:58 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Get one of Dan's 4s fones.  There usta be a free third party OS10 app 
> that would pull pictures off any device you could plug into the
> computer USB.

Dan seems to not want to part with his phones.

I asked Thursday morning on the List, but he has not responded.


Craig

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[MBZ] Ludmilla

2019-08-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
And I are now friends 

Need motor mounts 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 20:46:16 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 wrote:

> When you import a raw scan or a raw digital camera image, you will see
> what I mean when you look at the histograms -- the color channels are
> not balanced, typically the blue channel is offset quite a bit from the
> others and is narrower (higher contrast).  Setting the sliders to
> expand the actual image data across the whole 8 or 16 bit range and
> adjusting the mid point usually removes the mask effect and gets very
> close to correct color balance.

The Gimp does that, too. For the uninitiated, The Gimp is a freeware
program which is very similar in its function to Photoshop.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The end of the car hoarder saga is near

2019-08-10 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Sad.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Roughly two years ago, a Michigan township told retired Ford powertrain
> dyno-cell technician Ron Dauzet that his 218-car automobile collection did
> not comply with a local ordinance, and so the vehicles had to go. Since
> then, the now-76-year-old has scrapped or sold approximately 180 cars, but
> the township is still after him to finish the job. And time is quickly
> running out.
>
>
> https://www.wonderpearl.com/two-years-and-180-cars-later-michigan-man-forced-to-sell-20-cars-a-month-has-eight-days-to-clear-his-lot/
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Re: [MBZ] computer conversion of film negatives - was:Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Peter wrote:

> You can avoid messing around with the orange mask in two ways:
> 
> Easiest is to set the white balance using the space between
> images on a strip of negatives, this should get you a TIFF of
> just the image.

A PNG is just as lossless as a TIFF, but usually compresses
better.  A TIFF can have a LOT of other stuff stuck in there.  For
example, the GIMP native .xcf format is just a tiff - with extra
tags to handle vector text, vector paths, layers, etc. (TIFF is
an acronym for Tagger Image File Format).

Jpeg2000 has a lossless setting too, but there isn't much support
for it.

> It should be possible to invert the image in Nikon's software,
> but I've not figured it out.

All my image processing is on GNU Linux.  That does limit my
software choices.  So running the Nikon - or Canon, or Sony, or
Panasonic software isn't an option for me.

> Basically you import an unmodified linear scan (from RAW
> converters or something like VueScan's RAW function) and then
> use the levels tool in Photoshop to trim off all the unused part
> of the 16 bits of data for each of the three channels.  You can
> do the same thing in GIMP, but I don't use it enough to tell you
> how.

I don't know about the latest versions, but the GIMP has been slow
to implement 16 bit.  Krita is able to, but has a lot less power
than the GIMP.  Or use Imagemagick. *smiles*

The GIMP does have an "auto-white balance" feature in the level
dialog than can work really well much of the time.

> The great value of using a DSLR for digitizing is that it's
> very, very fast and with the right camera and lens as good as
> any desktop scanner.

I have done hundreds of Ektachrome slides - those are a lot
simpler than negatives! 

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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The presence of the orange mask makes projection printing onto color enlarging 
paper much easier and compensates for some rather significant dye problems in 
substantive color printing.

It is completely un-necessary in scanning, and needs to be removed one way or 
another to get good color balance in a digital positive.

Since the mask is present everywhere (IIRC) and only minor deviations exist in 
different colored portions of the image, it's easy enough to remove using the 
white balance correction function in digital cameras.  Otherwise, use Levels in 
PS to re-balance the color.  

When you import a raw scan or a raw digital camera image, you will see what I 
mean when you look at the histograms -- the color channels are not balanced, 
typically the blue channel is offset quite a bit from the others and is 
narrower (higher contrast).  Setting the sliders to expand the actual image 
data across the whole 8 or 16 bit range and adjusting the mid point usually 
removes the mask effect and gets very close to correct color balance.
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Craig wrote:

> To convert negative images to positive images, it's a simple
> selection of the "invert" menu option.

True.

But a photographic color negative is not color neutral.  The
"clear" part of the negative is very orange, so the black parts of
the positive are very blue.  But the black parts of the negative
are black - which becomes relatively balanced white.

So the challenge is it requires a gradient correction.

That is why I used the negative as a mask on the orange that gets
mixer with the "invert" filtered image.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Aviation Technology

2019-08-10 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
With much more than 10,000 flight hours below 50 ft, I can attest to the
fact the time lapse between "Oops" and "Ohh Sh#7#@^@" is extremely short.
No doubt the pilots last moments were short.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 4:42 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 11:20:40 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Fun read!
>
> The flying videos on
>
>
> https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29229/a-navy-f-a-18e-super-hornet-has-crashed-near-naval-air-weapons-station-china-lake
>
> are interesting watching, too.
>
>
> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:09 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Recent patent activity raises questions about current military
> > > technology:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29232/navys-advanced-aerospace-tech-boss-claims-key-ufo-patent-is-operable
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[MBZ] Happy Birthday To The Diesel Engine (Sort Of) – Expedition Portal

2019-08-10 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
https://expeditionportal.com/happy-birthday-to-the-diesel-engine-sort-of/
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] The end of the car hoarder saga is near

2019-08-10 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Emergency call to Clay Calling Clay...
Apparently, the fellow has a large property.. Might have been cheaper to
fence the place with a 8 ft high enclosure so no one can see what in on the
property...

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> Roughly two years ago, a Michigan township told retired Ford powertrain
> dyno-cell technician Ron Dauzet that his 218-car automobile collection did
> not comply with a local ordinance, and so the vehicles had to go. Since
> then, the now-76-year-old has scrapped or sold approximately 180 cars, but
> the township is still after him to finish the job. And time is quickly
> running out.
>
>
> https://www.wonderpearl.com/two-years-and-180-cars-later-michigan-man-forced-to-sell-20-cars-a-month-has-eight-days-to-clear-his-lot/
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[MBZ] The end of the car hoarder saga is near

2019-08-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Roughly two years ago, a Michigan township told retired Ford powertrain 
dyno-cell technician Ron Dauzet that his 218-car automobile collection did not 
comply with a local ordinance, and so the vehicles had to go. Since then, the 
now-76-year-old has scrapped or sold approximately 180 cars, but the township 
is still after him to finish the job. And time is quickly running out.

https://www.wonderpearl.com/two-years-and-180-cars-later-michigan-man-forced-to-sell-20-cars-a-month-has-eight-days-to-clear-his-lot/

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Re: [MBZ] Good Deal for Andrew

2019-08-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Only interested in a Bluetec SUV 2009 it later.

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wrote:

>
> https://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/3034682-fs-1993-300d-2-5-arctic.html#post17862240
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
My experience with LG customer support was awesome.  My V10 died and they
sent me a refurbished one (wiped clean) for free. Took 3 weeks. Way our of
warranty.

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> I just allow the program to suck the pix off my stuff, then copy the
> photos to folders based on subject matter.  That makes deleting obsolete
> (sold items on CL or Bay of Fleas) simple enough.  Folders for each car and
> subs for each project on said car.
>
>
> clay monroe
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do NOT, under any circumstances, ever put photos in iPhoto -- never
> heard anything good about that program.
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Nope, although the Iso25 B Kodak might be fun.  Tech Pan hasn't been made for 
20 years now I don't think.  

I may pick up some of that 25 speed stuff though, and I have at least one 100' 
roll of KB25 in the freezer.  

Just need time to actually take photographs, I don't seem to get much of 
anything done these days for some reason.  Might be thingsliek spending most of 
the afternoon and evening today working on a wheel chair ramp for the house, 
for instance.
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Re: [MBZ] computer conversion of film negatives - was:Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
You can avoid messing around with the orange mask in two ways:

Easiest is to set the white balance using the space between images on a strip 
of negatives, this should get you a TIFF of just the image.  I still recommend 
48 bit TIFF, more on that later.  You will need to re-set for each film base 
(or film base plus developer).   Invert the image and adjust levels and you 
should be very close to neutral balance.

The other way is to use the translation from RAW in you camera's format to 
TIFF, the program will let you adjust color temperature and blank and white 
points.  You can usually get rid of most of the green in the inverted image 
that way.  It should be possible to invert the image in Nikon's software, but 
I've not figured it out.

I can't take credit for the quick and easy color adjustments in Photoshop, 
though, I've found them in several places on the 'net.  Basically you import an 
unmodified linear scan (from RAW converters or something like VueScan's RAW 
function) and then use the levels tool in Photoshop to trim off all the unused 
part of the 16 bits of data for each of the three channels.  You can do the 
same thing in GIMP, but I don't use it enough to tell you how.

The great value of using a DSLR for digitizing is that it's very, very fast and 
with the right camera and lens as good as any desktop scanner.  Won't match a 
good drum scan, but I don't think any of us are going to spend $3 to scan 
old negatives



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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Granted, it's been awhile (like 10 years?) but last time I tired to use
GIMP I found it totally un-intelligible - couldn't figure out how to do the
simplest things that were obvious in the many other programs I'd been
using. Time to try again I guess.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 5:21 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> Use The Gimp, available at https://www.gimp.org/
>
>   The Free & Open Source Image Editor
>
>   This is the official website of the GNU Image Manipulation Program
>   (GIMP).
>
>   GIMP is a cross-platform image editor available for GNU/Linux, OS X,
>   Windows and more operating systems. It is free software, you can
>   change its source code and distribute your changes.
>
>   Whether you are a graphic designer, photographer, illustrator, or
>   scientist, GIMP provides you with sophisticated tools to get your
>   job done. You can further enhance your productivity with GIMP thanks
>   to many customization options and 3rd party plugins.
>
> To convert negative images to positive images, it's a simple selection of
> the "invert" menu option.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
-- 
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Aviation Technology

2019-08-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 11:20:40 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Fun read!

The flying videos on

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29229/a-navy-f-a-18e-super-hornet-has-crashed-near-naval-air-weapons-station-china-lake

are interesting watching, too.


> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:09 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Recent patent activity raises questions about current military
> > technology:
> >
> >
> > https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29232/navys-advanced-aerospace-tech-boss-claims-key-ufo-patent-is-operable

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Re: [MBZ] Cleaning Wheels

2019-08-10 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
LAs Totally Awesome.  Yellow stuff that you get to dilate as desired.  I used 
it full strength to remove engine cruft build up,  as it will soften it and 
allow for scraping, as well as flushing.  Soak the oily gunk for a few minutes 
and it washes right off with hose water.

Wheels you do not want this to sit and dry if using full proof.  Best to spritz 
on the wheel and agitated with a brush, then flush.  Dilute will allow it to 
soak  in though

clay 



> On Aug 10, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> What does everyone use for cleaning aluminum rims?
> Clay mentioned some product sold at the Dollar General, but I can't find the 
> email. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-10 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Thank you all for a great oil thread. I started it  on Craig's suggestion &
as an alternative to whatever OT OT we were on then. I got 58 posts,&
learned a LOT.  Still haven't bought oil for 300 CD but leaning
toward,15w50.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On August 9, 2019 at 11:15 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > My OM603s did OK with the 10-40 stuff, back
> > when it was real M1 and had enough zinc.   But I tried the 5W-40 and got
> > rattly lifters (not a problem with the iron heads, but still signals
> > that the oil is too thin.)  Also, the oil  consumption went way high
> > with the 5w-x stuff, but was back to nothing with the 15W-50.
>
> I can recall people experiencing that with a change from 5W40 Delvac to
> 0W40 M1 euro.
> Shouldn't happen, but IIRC Marshall swore it did.
> If changing from xW50 to xW40 did it in one car, I'd think the lifters
> were on the way out in that car. If it happened with multiple cars, I'd be
> interested in finding out why.
>
> Mitch
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[MBZ] Cleaning Wheels

2019-08-10 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
What does everyone use for cleaning aluminum rims?
Clay mentioned some product sold at the Dollar General, but I can't find the 
email. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 09:45:45 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> How are you converting the negatives to positive digital images? All of
> my attempts have been disappointing ...

Use The Gimp, available at https://www.gimp.org/

  The Free & Open Source Image Editor

  This is the official website of the GNU Image Manipulation Program
  (GIMP).

  GIMP is a cross-platform image editor available for GNU/Linux, OS X,
  Windows and more operating systems. It is free software, you can
  change its source code and distribute your changes.

  Whether you are a graphic designer, photographer, illustrator, or
  scientist, GIMP provides you with sophisticated tools to get your
  job done. You can further enhance your productivity with GIMP thanks
  to many customization options and 3rd party plugins.

To convert negative images to positive images, it's a simple selection of
the "invert" menu option.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: DON'T FIX THE IPHONE

2019-08-10 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
I just allow the program to suck the pix off my stuff, then copy the photos to 
folders based on subject matter.  That makes deleting obsolete (sold items on 
CL or Bay of Fleas) simple enough.  Folders for each car and subs for each 
project on said car.


clay monroe


> On Aug 9, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do NOT, under any circumstances, ever put photos in iPhoto -- never heard 
> anything good about that program.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Myers Jet pump

2019-08-10 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Look on fleabay and the river of large women for the rebuild kit for the Myers. 
 Probably just need a new impeller, plus a seal.  Bearings from a bearing house 
if you take the electric motor apart.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 10, 2019 4:20:51 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I know Myers pumps are revered in MI by the fruit growers, but has 
>anyone rebuilt a Myers jet shallow well pump?   Mine runs fine and does
>
>not leak, but no longer pumps.  (1/3 HP) I am thinking the jet may be 
>worn out.  (Sandy acid, high iron water.)
>
>I am going to look for a kit, but since Max recently put his back 
>together, I wondered if anyone has BTDT.  I would guess this mode of 
>failure may be common to all brands of jet pumps.
>
>I expected bearing or seal failure or perhaps other leaks.  I figger if
>
>I am going to rebuild it I should put new bearings in the motor also. 
>But it may be better to just buy a new pump and salvage the motor.
>
>Has anyone found a jet pump that clearly outperforms others?
>
>I have 3 jet pumps.  One Wayne in service, the dead Myers and a
>Sta-Rite 
>that was frozen I bought with a pressure tank for $5.  It has been JB 
>welded and is ok, but my plan for it is to use it to pump lake water
>for 
>garden, lawn etc.    I have a second well, so I want a pump on it so 
>when one well needs service, the other well will still be available.  
>A 
>great goal would be to have 2 or 3 identical pumps.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Good op-ed Article on VW's Dieselgate

2019-08-10 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
That L1 thing is tiny. I think the same chassis is on the road in China.
Maybe just a diesel though. Anyway no way it weighs 3000lb. More like an i3
eg 2000lb. I think it was fore/aft seating like a small plane. That is how
the drag area is so low.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 9:54 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Rick wrote:
>
> > https://www.unz.com/article/the-car-that-almost-was/
>
> I am skeptical of the 170 MPG claim.  I guess I know too much.
> Weight, drag, and size of the car are big factors.  It's a LOT
> more than just an efficient engine.  A W123 car with a 100%
> efficient engine would only get about 125 MPG.  That is why the 100 MPG
> carburetor is a myth.  Darn physics!
>
> But I did some number crunching using a spreadsheet I built a
> number of years ago relating to aerodynamics and fuel used.
>
> What I came up with surprised me.
>
> I think it's actually possible.  With a Cd of 0.2 and a frontal
> area of l8 square feet [1.673 m^2].  That's a small car.  But the
> engine has to be 45% efficient. That is _really_ efficient.  But
> if it's hybrid, it might be able to because it runs at one speed -
> ie, practically always at peak efficiency.
>
> I went looking for cars that might be that small.  And I found
> this list
> https://ecomodder.com/wiki/Vehicle_Coefficient_of_Drag_List
>
> ... and it _lists_ the L1!!!
>
> Cd of 0.15 and frontal area of 11 square feet [1.022 m^2] !  That
> is smth and small.  But with those numbers, and a guess of
> 3000 lb [1360 kg] the engine can be 30% efficient.  Not only is
> that believable, it's not very remarkable!
>
> Then I changed the accessories to be 20% cause with a tiny engine
> the A/C and such will be a bigger percentage.  And with an engine
> achieving 35% efficiency - which is noteworthy, but not at all
> unbelievable - it could reach 170 MPG.
>
> Using the same values for the engine, but making the car heavier
> and with a larger frontal area and with a still smooth but more
> realistic Cd of 0.2 - 90 MPG is possible.
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[MBZ] OT Myers Jet pump

2019-08-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I know Myers pumps are revered in MI by the fruit growers, but has 
anyone rebuilt a Myers jet shallow well pump?   Mine runs fine and does 
not leak, but no longer pumps.  (1/3 HP) I am thinking the jet may be 
worn out.  (Sandy acid, high iron water.)


I am going to look for a kit, but since Max recently put his back 
together, I wondered if anyone has BTDT.  I would guess this mode of 
failure may be common to all brands of jet pumps.


I expected bearing or seal failure or perhaps other leaks.  I figger if 
I am going to rebuild it I should put new bearings in the motor also. 
But it may be better to just buy a new pump and salvage the motor.


Has anyone found a jet pump that clearly outperforms others?

I have 3 jet pumps.  One Wayne in service, the dead Myers and a Sta-Rite 
that was frozen I bought with a pressure tank for $5.  It has been JB 
welded and is ok, but my plan for it is to use it to pump lake water for 
garden, lawn etc.    I have a second well, so I want a pump on it so 
when one well needs service, the other well will still be available.   A 
great goal would be to have 2 or 3 identical pumps.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 headlights?

2019-08-10 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Good one. that is how finely tuned MB engineering is.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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> Not enough to worry about.  One will say bosch and the other will say
> Hella if you look close enough.  there may be a noticeable difference in
> the patterns of the prismatic glass.   If anyone says anything just tell
> them one is for the left eye and the other is calibrated for the right eye.
>
>
> (If ya can't win em with yer wit, baffle em with yer bulls###!)
>
> MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/10/19 9:29 AM:
> >
> > Does anybody by chance know if the Hella and Bosch euro style
> > headlights have a visual difference on the car, another words if I use
> > one of each will they look different?
> >
> > MG
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 headlights?

2019-08-10 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Not enough to worry about.  One will say bosch and the other will say 
Hella if you look close enough.  there may be a noticeable difference in 
the patterns of the prismatic glass.   If anyone says anything just tell 
them one is for the left eye and the other is calibrated for the right eye.



(If ya can't win em with yer wit, baffle em with yer bulls###!)

MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/10/19 9:29 AM:


Does anybody by chance know if the Hella and Bosch euro style 
headlights have a visual difference on the car, another words if I use 
one of each will they look different?


MG



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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 22:33:52 -0500
fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > Peter wrote:
> 
> > Wonderful stuff, I'm still kicking myself for not buying a dozen
> > 100' rolls of it when it was still made.
> 
> My cartridge loader sits unused.  Hasn't loaded a roll of film in
> at least 10 years.  I'm still not sure abandoning film is a good idea...
...
You mean this?

http://www.ultrafineonline.com/35x100ftfifo.html

Here are photo forums and groups:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=35+mm+photography+forums




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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-10 Thread clay via Mercedes
The problems up north are not much different than the rest of the west.  The 
people have yet to find a balance of living the American Dream vs. being 
realistic about living within the confines of the culture and environment.  
Going to school to do the white man gig is not fruitful.  Whereas, getting 
educated in  the skills that will be in dire need within the state (since they 
hardly ever leave) is a better path.  The colleges forgot that mandate and 
wanted to provide more esoteric knowledge that only makes you employable at a 
coffee stand.

clay

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back in the day, we had an incentive program to make good progress in school. 
>  Oddly enough it was called Selective Service.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Clay Monroe via Mercedes
>> ...
>> All because the schools could not graduate much more than 17% of their
>> population in a reasonable amount of time.   ...
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] computer conversion of film negatives - was:Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Thanks - I'll have to give that a try.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:09 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > OK wrote:
>
> > How are you converting the negatives to positive digital images?
> > All of my attempts have been disappointing ...
>
> For batch processing, I use imagemagick - command line image
> editing.
>
> For one or two, I've done it just using the GIMP, which allows me
> to tweak it a bit.
>
> What has worked best for me is to apply a color layer masked to
> the inverted luminance of the image.
>
> I think Imagemagick is available for MSWin and Mac, but I'm
> not sure.  Some of the commands I list below are BASH, or at
> least some flavor of SH.  They will not work directly in MSWin
> and may not in Mac.
>
> I use .png for for the intermediate steps because it is
> lossless.  The final image could also be a .png, especially if
> it is going to be edited more.
>
> Start by making a greyscale mask of the original
>   $ convert pos.png -colorspace gray mask.png
>
> Make an inverted copy the original.
>   $ convert orig.jpg -negate pos.png
>
> Create an orange image the same size as the original.  The
> color of the orange can change depending on the film stock.
>   $ convert pos.jpg  +matte -fill 'rgb(255,95,7)'  -colorize 100%
> orange.png
>
> Apply the mask to the orange image.  This is to compensate for
> the fact a "clear" negative is orange.
>   $ convert orange.png mask.png +matte -compose CopyOpacity -composite
> o-layer.png
>
> And finally use the mode "multiply" to merge the masked orange
> image as a layer on the plain positive of the original
>   $  composite layer.png pos.png -compose multiply  done.jpg
>
> With just a bit of bash scripting the above commands can be built
> into a batch processing script.  I though I had done that, but I'm
> not find it - just these notes.
>
> The same process can be done in the GIMP or Photoshop.  I have
> also had pretty good success using GIMP's "auto-white balance"
> in the "Levels" dialog.
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> OK wrote:

> I've also been thinking about converting the enlarging color
> head that I inverted and used for slide copying from tungsten to
> LED. The dichroic filters would take care of any color issues,
> if the light is continuous enough. Those 250 to 300 watt bulbs
> get hot in a hurry in that little metal box!

I would not expect LED to work any better than fluorescent.  Most
of the one's I've checked have a rather lumpy spectrum. 

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Re: [MBZ] computer conversion of film negatives - was:Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> OK wrote:

> How are you converting the negatives to positive digital images?
> All of my attempts have been disappointing ...

For batch processing, I use imagemagick - command line image
editing.

For one or two, I've done it just using the GIMP, which allows me
to tweak it a bit.

What has worked best for me is to apply a color layer masked to
the inverted luminance of the image.

I think Imagemagick is available for MSWin and Mac, but I'm
not sure.  Some of the commands I list below are BASH, or at
least some flavor of SH.  They will not work directly in MSWin
and may not in Mac.

I use .png for for the intermediate steps because it is
lossless.  The final image could also be a .png, especially if
it is going to be edited more.

Start by making a greyscale mask of the original
  $ convert pos.png -colorspace gray mask.png

Make an inverted copy the original.
  $ convert orig.jpg -negate pos.png

Create an orange image the same size as the original.  The
color of the orange can change depending on the film stock.
  $ convert pos.jpg  +matte -fill 'rgb(255,95,7)'  -colorize 100%  orange.png

Apply the mask to the orange image.  This is to compensate for
the fact a "clear" negative is orange.
  $ convert orange.png mask.png +matte -compose CopyOpacity -composite 
o-layer.png

And finally use the mode "multiply" to merge the masked orange
image as a layer on the plain positive of the original
  $  composite layer.png pos.png -compose multiply  done.jpg

With just a bit of bash scripting the above commands can be built
into a batch processing script.  I though I had done that, but I'm
not find it - just these notes.

The same process can be done in the GIMP or Photoshop.  I have
also had pretty good success using GIMP's "auto-white balance"
in the "Levels" dialog.

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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I'll use the inverted enlarging color head - very even illumination, just
need to modify it to use an LED light as the light source.
I use the Nikon mounted on a Leitz Reprovit II copystand - very ridig, and
have adapted a Zeiss 75mm S-Planar (IIRC) copy lens that is optimized for
1:1 reproduction and is very flat field. I'll switch to the Nikon 60mm
Micro-Nikkor for the larger format film (mine goes up to 8x10 with almost
everything in between).

I do shoot in RAW, and have been using Lightroom for processing, but
haven't found where/how to invert the image - might have to bite the bullet
and buy PS, or struggle through GIMP.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 11:23 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes, mainly negatives to positives.
>
> A few hints -- use an LED floodlight for a light source.  Reasonably
> collumated, so it reduces flare at the edges a little, and you can try
> various color balance ones to reduce the fiddling when inverting.
>
> Shoot in RAW and use Nikon conversion software to convert to TIFF -- you
> can adjust color balance, etc.  Leave in TIFF flormat with extra space
> below and above actual image data if you are going into PS or similar, you
> want a raw file going in.
>
> You will have to find the correct exposure to get a good inverted image,
> what looks "good" as a negative can be terrible once inverted.  Dark
> negatives make light positives and vice versa.  Contrast can't really be
> controlled at this point other than to use a condenser light source rather
> than and LED flood to push it up a bit.
>
> Use a 90mm macro lens and a very rigid setup.  Vivitar Series 1 from the
> 70s/80s would be perfect as they had a flatter field and better corner
> performance than Nikon or Pentax macros of similar focal length.  The
> better the lens the better the results, obviously.
>
> I pull the raw TIFF file into Photoshop, invert, then use levels to "trim"
> the red, blue, and green channels down to the actual image values.  Some
> channels look very "thin", but this works.  Adjust the neutral point in
> each channel to correct colors.  This should get you a very close color
> balance, although it will usually look flat.
>
> Go to "hue and saturation" in Adjustments and push up the saturation to
> suit -- I usually need a pretty good increase from movie film, standard
> negatives need less, but I find I need some most of the time.
>
> Then I adjust contrast/brightness, then color balance.
>
> If the negative was decent to start with this works pretty well.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The only issue I've had with Epson flatbeds is banding on older models.  I have 
a 4490 I've used some, not high on the priority list at the moment.  Maybe this 
winter, or after I retire.  Others have reported resolution and focus problems, 
but I've been happy.  Had to make a custom holder from my Mom's old negatives 
from the 40's, I think that was 117 film?  or 116?  A little wider and much 
longer than 6x9.  Not critical to get super resolution because the camera 
didn't have it to start with, they were really only good for contact prints!

A high resolution DSLR, a good macro lens, some rigid slide holders and so 
forth, and PS CS3 or later and you can get much better resolution by stitching 
multiple images together.  Probably better for 120 or 6x9 than a flatbed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
My SS number was 3.  Draft stopped in 75, or I'd have been blown up in Viet Nam 
for sure, that's the way my luck usually runs.
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Yes, mainly negatives to positives.

A few hints -- use an LED floodlight for a light source.  Reasonably 
collumated, so it reduces flare at the edges a little, and you can try various 
color balance ones to reduce the fiddling when inverting.

Shoot in RAW and use Nikon conversion software to convert to TIFF -- you can 
adjust color balance, etc.  Leave in TIFF flormat with extra space below and 
above actual image data if you are going into PS or similar, you want a raw 
file going in.

You will have to find the correct exposure to get a good inverted image, what 
looks "good" as a negative can be terrible once inverted.  Dark negatives make 
light positives and vice versa.  Contrast can't really be controlled at this 
point other than to use a condenser light source rather than and LED flood to 
push it up a bit.

Use a 90mm macro lens and a very rigid setup.  Vivitar Series 1 from the 
70s/80s would be perfect as they had a flatter field and better corner 
performance than Nikon or Pentax macros of similar focal length.  The better 
the lens the better the results, obviously.

I pull the raw TIFF file into Photoshop, invert, then use levels to "trim" the 
red, blue, and green channels down to the actual image values.  Some channels 
look very "thin", but this works.  Adjust the neutral point in each channel to 
correct colors.  This should get you a very close color balance, although it 
will usually look flat.

Go to "hue and saturation" in Adjustments and push up the saturation to suit -- 
I usually need a pretty good increase from movie film, standard negatives need 
less, but I find I need some most of the time.

Then I adjust contrast/brightness, then color balance.

If the negative was decent to start with this works pretty well.  
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have an Epson 4990 Photo scanner and negative holders for 35mm and 120/220 
that I use, along with scanning software.

-D


> On Aug 10, 2019, at 10:45 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> How are you converting the negatives to positive digital images? All of my
> attempts have been disappointing ...
> 
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:43 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've been using the D3300 for "scanning" film -- resolution is equal to my
>> film scanner and it's MUCH faster.
>> 
>> Need to make some film holders so I can make multiple "scans" of my medium
>> format films and stitch them together.  Still not projection prints onto
>> good silver base paper, but who can afford that these days?
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] If There Was Ever a Kleb Car....

2019-08-10 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Best diesel Benz ever made.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> I need that.  $300 would get it
>
> --FT
>
> On 8/10/19 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > …this is it:
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/clearwater-1992-mercedes-300d-wont/6953607528.html
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

2019-08-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Well, the lottery didn't encourage school --
I drew number 324 in the very first draft lottery. My best friend drew 24.
He stayed in ROTC and let the army put him through medical school, I
dropped out of ROTC.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 11:24 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 22:37:17 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Back in the day, we had an incentive program to make good progress in
> > school.  Oddly enough it was called Selective Service.
>
> We had that one, too, as well has having a high-enough draft number.
>
>
> Craig
>


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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I have (though it hasn't been seen in a long time) a sliding base mean to
"split" a single 35mm slide into three either overlapping or butted slides
for multiple projector shows - something like that could work. I've also
been thinking about converting the enlarging color head that I inverted and
used for slide copying from tungsten to LED. The dichroic filters would
take care of any color issues, if the light is continuous enough. Those 250
to 300 watt bulbs get hot in a hurry in that little metal box!

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:43 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've been using the D3300 for "scanning" film -- resolution is equal to my
> film scanner and it's MUCH faster.
>
> Need to make some film holders so I can make multiple "scans" of my medium
> format films and stitch them together.  Still not projection prints onto
> good silver base paper, but who can afford that these days?
>
> Peter
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] W123 headlights?

2019-08-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
If they’re both Euro style headlights I don’t see that it would make a 
difference. There might be slight differences in the lenses, but that wouldn’t 
be visible to the average person, I would think.

-D


> On Aug 10, 2019, at 10:29 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anybody by chance know if the Hella and Bosch euro style headlights have 
> a visual difference on the car, another words if I use one of each will they 
> look different?
> 
> MG
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Re: [MBZ] Phone cameras vs DSLRs

2019-08-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
How are you converting the negatives to positive digital images? All of my
attempts have been disappointing ...

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:43 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've been using the D3300 for "scanning" film -- resolution is equal to my
> film scanner and it's MUCH faster.
>
> Need to make some film holders so I can make multiple "scans" of my medium
> format films and stitch them together.  Still not projection prints onto
> good silver base paper, but who can afford that these days?
>
> Peter
>


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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] If There Was Ever a Kleb Car....

2019-08-10 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Yep

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> …this is it:
> 
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> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] If There Was Ever a Kleb Car....

2019-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Cost me $300 to go get it!

--FT

On 8/10/19 10:23 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Make the call and come on down! I’ll help you go pick it up.

-D



On Aug 10, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I need that.  $300 would get it

--FT

On 8/10/19 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

…this is it:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/clearwater-1992-mercedes-300d-wont/6953607528.html

-D



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[MBZ] W123 headlights?

2019-08-10 Thread MG via Mercedes



Does anybody by chance know if the Hella and Bosch euro 
style headlights have a visual difference on the car, 
another words if I use one of each will they look 
different?


MG

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Re: [MBZ] If There Was Ever a Kleb Car....

2019-08-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Make the call and come on down! I’ll help you go pick it up.

-D


> On Aug 10, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I need that.  $300 would get it
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 8/10/19 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> …this is it:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/clearwater-1992-mercedes-300d-wont/6953607528.html
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] If There Was Ever a Kleb Car....

2019-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I need that.  $300 would get it

--FT

On 8/10/19 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

…this is it:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/clearwater-1992-mercedes-300d-wont/6953607528.html

-D



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[MBZ] If There Was Ever a Kleb Car....

2019-08-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
…this is it:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/clearwater-1992-mercedes-300d-wont/6953607528.html

-D



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[MBZ] Good Deal for Andrew

2019-08-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
https://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/3034682-fs-1993-300d-2-5-arctic.html#post17862240

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On August 9, 2019 at 11:15 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> My OM603s did OK with the 10-40 stuff, back 
> when it was real M1 and had enough zinc.   But I tried the 5W-40 and got 
> rattly lifters (not a problem with the iron heads, but still signals 
> that the oil is too thin.)  Also, the oil  consumption went way high 
> with the 5w-x stuff, but was back to nothing with the 15W-50.

I can recall people experiencing that with a change from 5W40 Delvac to 0W40 M1 
euro.
Shouldn't happen, but IIRC Marshall swore it did. 
If changing from xW50 to xW40 did it in one car, I'd think the lifters were on 
the way out in that car. If it happened with multiple cars, I'd be interested 
in finding out why. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

2019-08-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
My point is that at operating temperature there shouldn't be any real 
difference between 5w40 and 15w40, it's the 40 that matters, not the 5. The 5 
absolutely matters at low temp and back when I was regularly commuting in a 
240D I couldn't have managed it in the winter with 15w40 conventional oil, the 
car wouldn't have started in the cold. Even with 5w40 when it was really cold 
things got iffy.There is no reason you can't use 5w40 and Mercedes specified it 
in the chart in the manual...
Curt

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  On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:55 PM, fmiser wrote:   > Curt 
wrote:

> I still don't think you understand how the 5w part of the rating
> works. It's a 40w oil that resists thickening when it's cold. 

Other way around.  It's a 5w oil that doesn't thin as much as it
gets hot. Until the VI breaks down and it becomes a 5W oil.
Admittedly not prone to happening without longer drain intervals.

> The Delvac 1 everybody used to crow about was 5w40...

Some of the group IV synthetic oils don't even need viscosity
improving to achieve a multi-weight rating - they are by nature
less prone to thinning as it heats.
  
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