Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
> On August 22, 2019 at 8:09 PM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > Hm ... do you remember how well it worked? Looks like my memory combined two cars. Minto was definitely the creator of the first one, which was the one with the car sized condenser under the floor. https://archive.org/details/mintos-unique-steamless-steam-car The exhaust powered hybrid from when I was 12 years old was done by Howard Chapman, page 82: https://books.google.com/books?id=wAEAMBAJ=frontcover#v=onepage=false More modern versions: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S135943111501128X https://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/07/20180731-ehrs.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-glow relay
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:29:47 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Thanks Craig! Have the sucker and the flux, haven't found a good > product to deal with the coating so usually I just remove it > mechanically at each joint. > > I found the following "can" type capacitors: > 1 micro-farad > 220 " " > 470 " " > > All are polarized, and it appears they are all rated for 10v and 85 deg > C. The 85 C is a good rating, but 10 V seems low. It could be appropriate depending where in the circuit they are; cannot tell without looking at the schematic (or maybe measure the voltage across them when the circuit is operating). > There are a few other devices that are similar is shape and size to > another type of capacitor, the much-more-expensive variety, but I can't > find any farad ratings, so I suspect they could be resistors. Tantalum? Those are good capacitors, but they are much more expensive. > I'm going to create a Google Drive folder and put them up there, maybe > someone can help ID them. By "them" I presume you mean pictures of the components and not the components themselves. That's a good idea! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
Commercial composting is a tough business, there will always be some smell since air is important to the process. If you just piled everything up and mixed in a bunch of wood chips there wouldn't be any smell but it needs to be turned periodically which releases the odor... -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 9:23:30 PM EDT, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: IIRC, Tina Turner had a hog digester to run her ThunderDome way back in the ’80’s. Must have learned that from before Peak Oil and Mad Maxx. Local County landfill became a methane harvesting operation almost 30 years ago when it was “de-comissioned”. Not sure it makes much power, but it is a bunch prettier to drive past now. Then the local elected idiocy decided we needed to pay them to cart off our food scraps and yard bits to be turned into high cost compost. The heaps spread around three counties are putrid stench producers that cause all manner of consternation as nearby residents try to figure out where the stench of putrid death and rotted fruit is produced. The heaps are strategically located to take advantage of tides or other “natural” features (sewage plants) to mask the reek of ripped off tax payers. clay > On Aug 22, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sounds like another methane digester. Nothing new there. First one I saw in > operation was 1983 on a hog farm. > > Of course you have to consider the sources: Vermont pointy heads and some > moron submitting to the AP. > > Actually, the Mother earph news hippies were probably building digesters in > VT in the late 60s. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
I may have missed the window to see supercars up north, but doubt it. The newer breed of petroleum enhanced employee is a bit less conspicuous about flashing his ill gotten gains. Nordstrom closed up shop after 44 years in GWN. I think the early residents had a need to flash and keep the womyn folk all goosed up with goodies that might rival living in Houston. Now, the Subaru crowd and the smart gals from high school are the main power on the street. Y’all know her, she was the dowdy gal, too smart to be allowed to mate, got her advanced degree and found a well paying job in a man’s world. Now she is the boss Lady, and drives a sensible car, wears comfortable shoes, and still is nothing to write home about. The pretty girls migrate south to become LA 4’s. The boys head off to find a future in the real world, and the working people hope they have a job next year, once the snow melts. clay > On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > It'd be like taking a Ferrari (at least the model S) to the arctic, utter > foolishness... > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
In Indiana they were using the methane primarily for heat. However, they also captured it and would set up a supply for their standby generator, too. Because methane has such a lousy BTU content, like 500-600 BTU/CF, compared to natural gas (800-900 BTU/cf) and propane (1100 BTU/cf) you would have to oversize the generator to a factor of easily 2x or more, meaning you paid a lot more in capital to get the same thing. Add to that the driers, etc., that were necessary to process the fuel to make it viable as a motor fuel and you had even more money tied up in it. Sure, the fuel was free, but you had to lay out a lot more money to use it. And as I mentioned previously, it was hell on the equipment. Some of the landfills were doing it, too, but years later you could see that they gave up and were just flaring the stuff. -D > On Aug 22, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > IIRC, Tina Turner had a hog digester to run her ThunderDome way back in the > ’80’s. Must have learned that from before Peak Oil and Mad Maxx. Local > County landfill became a methane harvesting operation almost 30 years ago > when it was “de-comissioned”. Not sure it makes much power, but it is a > bunch prettier to drive past now. > > Then the local elected idiocy decided we needed to pay them to cart off our > food scraps and yard bits to be turned into high cost compost. The heaps > spread around three counties are putrid stench producers that cause all > manner of consternation as nearby residents try to figure out where the > stench of putrid death and rotted fruit is produced. The heaps are > strategically located to take advantage of tides or other “natural” features > (sewage plants) to mask the reek of ripped off tax payers. > > clay > > >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Sounds like another methane digester. Nothing new there. First one I saw >> in operation was 1983 on a hog farm. >> >> Of course you have to consider the sources: Vermont pointy heads and some >> moron submitting to the AP. >> >> Actually, the Mother earph news hippies were probably building digesters in >> VT in the late 60s. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
> Are Peltier chips more or less efficient than heat pumps? Far, far, far, far less efficient than heat pumps. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
IIRC, Tina Turner had a hog digester to run her ThunderDome way back in the ’80’s. Must have learned that from before Peak Oil and Mad Maxx. Local County landfill became a methane harvesting operation almost 30 years ago when it was “de-comissioned”. Not sure it makes much power, but it is a bunch prettier to drive past now. Then the local elected idiocy decided we needed to pay them to cart off our food scraps and yard bits to be turned into high cost compost. The heaps spread around three counties are putrid stench producers that cause all manner of consternation as nearby residents try to figure out where the stench of putrid death and rotted fruit is produced. The heaps are strategically located to take advantage of tides or other “natural” features (sewage plants) to mask the reek of ripped off tax payers. clay > On Aug 22, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sounds like another methane digester. Nothing new there. First one I saw in > operation was 1983 on a hog farm. > > Of course you have to consider the sources: Vermont pointy heads and some > moron submitting to the AP. > > Actually, the Mother earph news hippies were probably building digesters in > VT in the late 60s. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
There are lots of complaints about iPhones that turn off in cold weather... -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 5:44:24 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Battery life is shorter at higher temps. They don't want that expensive battery to go over about 90 degrees. (hmmm, what temperature is that phone in my pocket, or worse yet, the phone that's painful to pick up after I leave it in the car?) And damage can occur at low temps, I think GM turns on the battery heaters to keep it over 14 degrees. Early Nissan Leaf didn't have active battery temperature management, I don't know if newer ones have it. The moral to that story is not to buy a used Leaf out of Arizona. Mitch. > On August 22, 2019 at 3:16 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm pretty sure they have to manage battery temperature both ways. Cool > if they are getting too hot, and keep them at some minimal acceptable > temperature if it's cold and the car is sitting. > > Rapid charging relies on careful control of battery temperature as well. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
Quick, who won the pool? -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 5:24:23 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:04:39 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Bid on this, it’s a much better deal: > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-220se-2/ > > -D BaT Essentials Lot #22294 Seller: Lwb250 Location: Valrico, Florida 33596 Chassis: 11101412074450 H ... I think we might know that fellow! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
Thats actually one of the problems with the '98 Jetta TDI I had, it didn't made significant heat for about the first 5 miles in the morning. My 2015 Jetta has heated seats and as it never got all that cold last winter I don't have a good handle on how it would react. -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 4:17:11 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 22/08/2019 2:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 06:56:40 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >>> - there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to >>> motion, probably more like 30%. >> My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the >> energy turns into motion. 1/3 is heat out the exhaust pipe, and 1/3 is >> heat out the radiator et al. > That is correct, which is why in co-generation installations, efforts are > made to recover as much heat as possible from the exhaust and coolant. > > > Craig > And why the big old American made cars made better heat than the little imports. The burned more fuel and converted one form of energy to another. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
I've had the opportunity to watch a good shingle mill in action belted to a Farmall Super MD. I forget exactly but the sawblade was probably 20-24" in diameter. The cool thing about this one is that it automatically advanced the wood for the next cut. I *think* it alternated cuts so the wood stayed square every 2 shingles. This one used a chunk of wood like a piece of firewood standing on end, so it was already cut to length. Its been probably 9 years since I saw that one in action. My buddy Steve has on just like it but I've never seen it running. That reminds me, I need to finally finish up the video of Steve's Metz & Weiss semi-diesel engine... -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 4:14:54 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 22/08/2019 2:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > Shingle mill is just a horizontal sawmill with shorter bolts. Oh, > and thick and thin is desired, not the product of a wornout mill and a > mediocre sawyer. THe old guy who sawed most of my logs was a good > sawyer with a worn out mill. My father built his own shingle mill not long before his demise. I assume it went with the rest of the mill equipment when he sold it. It was a small simple unit that required one to push the block of wood through the saw blade. There was a sort of toggle that shifted the block back and forth to cut fairly uniform angled shingles. I think he had it set so that it cut a bit thicker on one direction than the other so that the shingles, when nailed on, were staggered. I never ran it or actually saw him run it as by the time he built it, I had moved away. I remember him proudly showing me the contraption but not much more about it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
When I was in college I worked for the IT group for one year. This was one of the real old school IT groups where you had to kiss the ring of the boss etc.At the end of the school year they laid off my manager which was a shame, the guy was great. The rest of us refused to kiss the ring and were not re-hired the next year. Unfortunately for them we had already penetrated the network and could do what we wanted. We knew they were monitoring our email so we instituted strict security protocols that included encrypting everything with PGP (Pretty Good Privacy). The encryption scheme would take 1 line of text and turn it into a paragraph or a paragraph into a page etc. So the amount of traffic stayed the same but the volume of each message jumped dramatically. It wasn't long before the 5 ringleaders (of which I was the least technical but most scheming) were hauled in to account for ourselves. They rolled out "We know you're up to something, we don't know what but you better tell us or else!" We kept our mouths shut knowing there wasn't anything they could do to us, even if they could decrypt our messages it was all mundane stuff like "What time is dinner?" any actual scheming we did in person, off campus. When I graduated the president of the college shook my hand for a second longer than everybody else "I'm not sad to see you go." We laughed, it was great. -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them something to ponder ... On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What's the hidden meaning, Wilton? Are you afraid your conversations are > being monitored in Beijing? > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
Indeed, I'm always amazed by the depth of knowledge here as well as the attention to detail... -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 2:37:42 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I'll drink to that. Randy On 22/08/2019 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > This forum is proof that individualism is far from dead ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
It'd be like taking a Ferrari (at least the model S) to the arctic, utter foolishness... -Curt On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 1:11:25 PM EDT, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: Youngest son is enthralled by Tesla cars. Had a great summer 2018 drooling over all the examples in SEA, and the neighbor has two and just quit working for Tesla Co. Over this past summer, he was on a quest to view a Tesla in ANC. I think I found more OM617 power cars there than he did REV. The only one found was kind of beat up and an example of how unsuited the things are for arctic driving. clay > On Aug 22, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> A fuel powered vehicle produces heat which is obviously needed for comfort >> and to keep the windows clear. > > The auxiliary radiator in a fueled vehicle is one of the most elegant bits of > engineering, ever. > Taking a waste product (heat) and making full use of it for comfort and > safety. REV's don't have > much waste heat, and so far as I know nobody's making use of it. If they > did, it'd have to be > like a VW beetle, with an air shroud capturing the motor heat. REV's can > choose to use a heat > pump rather than resistive heat, which gives them something like a 3x > multiplier for the energy > expended. Still, they're at their worst in cold weather no matter what. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > One that got a cover story in Popular Science, and impressed me when I > was probably about twelve, involved a gas/steam hybrid drive system. > The inventor, probably Wally Minto, took an LTD, put a 2.3L Pinto > engine in it, and used the coolant and exhaust heat to boil Freon to > drive the steam engine. There was a huge aluminum condenser under the > floor to recondense the working fluid. Mitch. Hm ... do you remember how well it worked? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
How can that be safe at highway speeds? -D > On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/5d30a4d6bd1c8787fcef1d4814288359.gif > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
Battery life is shorter at higher temps. They don't want that expensive battery to go over about 90 degrees. (hmmm, what temperature is that phone in my pocket, or worse yet, the phone that's painful to pick up after I leave it in the car?) And damage can occur at low temps, I think GM turns on the battery heaters to keep it over 14 degrees. Early Nissan Leaf didn't have active battery temperature management, I don't know if newer ones have it. The moral to that story is not to buy a used Leaf out of Arizona. Mitch. > On August 22, 2019 at 3:16 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm pretty sure they have to manage battery temperature both ways. Cool > if they are getting too hot, and keep them at some minimal acceptable > temperature if it's cold and the car is sitting. > > Rapid charging relies on careful control of battery temperature as well. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
> On August 22, 2019 at 3:43 PM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > That is correct, which is why in co-generation installations, efforts are > made to recover as much heat as possible from the exhaust and coolant. One that got a cover story in Popular Science, and impressed me when I was probably about twelve, involved a gas/steam hybrid drive system. The inventor, probably Wally Minto, took an LTD, put a 2.3L Pinto engine in it, and used the coolant and exhaust heat to boil Freon to drive the steam engine. There was a huge aluminum condenser under the floor to recondense the working fluid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:04:39 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Bid on this, it’s a much better deal: > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-220se-2/ > > -D BaT Essentials Lot #22294 Seller: Lwb250 Location: Valrico, Florida 33596 Chassis: 11101412074450 H ... I think we might know that fellow! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW The Blue finnie - what's it worth?
I sure hope so. -D > On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > The hammer will fall at $12,500.00 > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > >> Shall we have a contest as to the final high bid? >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> I love the steering wheel and the barber pole speedo from these cars! >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:05 PM Dan--- via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> wrote: >>> Bid on this, it’s a much better deal: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-220se-2/ -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW The Blue finnie - what's it worth?
It wasn’t offered there, the BaT auction was posted. I’m just surprised it hadn’t been posted here yet. -D > On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:49 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Who is the winner for predicting when Dan will sell it? It was offered on > the Fakebuch Mercedes veterans group maybe a week ago. > > BTW, trim thy posts, Andy. > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 8/22/19 2:41 PM: >> The hammer will fall at $12,500.00 >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
Craig via Mercedes writes: > Peltier chips are much less efficient than heat pumps and have very low > thermal capacity. They also aren't very reliable in my experience. I had a litte "dorm fridge" with that type of cooling to keep some cold beer in the garage, and it died in about 18 months. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:57:53 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > IIRC, they have to cool the batteries as well - but I don't remember if > that's during driving, or only while charging. More heat to put to good > use regardless ... > Are Peltier chips more or less efficient than heat pumps? They can heat > or cool. Peltier chips are much less efficient than heat pumps and have very low thermal capacity. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
On 22/08/2019 2:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 06:56:40 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: - there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to motion, probably more like 30%. My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the energy turns into motion. 1/3 is heat out the exhaust pipe, and 1/3 is heat out the radiator et al. That is correct, which is why in co-generation installations, efforts are made to recover as much heat as possible from the exhaust and coolant. Craig And why the big old American made cars made better heat than the little imports. The burned more fuel and converted one form of energy to another. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
On 22/08/2019 2:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Shingle mill is just a horizontal sawmill with shorter bolts. Oh, and thick and thin is desired, not the product of a wornout mill and a mediocre sawyer. THe old guy who sawed most of my logs was a good sawyer with a worn out mill. My father built his own shingle mill not long before his demise. I assume it went with the rest of the mill equipment when he sold it. It was a small simple unit that required one to push the block of wood through the saw blade. There was a sort of toggle that shifted the block back and forth to cut fairly uniform angled shingles. I think he had it set so that it cut a bit thicker on one direction than the other so that the shingles, when nailed on, were staggered. I never ran it or actually saw him run it as by the time he built it, I had moved away. I remember him proudly showing me the contraption but not much more about it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW The Blue finnie - what's it worth?
I don't want to overthink this. If there is a winner he or she gets a jar of pepper jelly. Dan donates a commission to The List, say 50%. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:49 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Who is the winner for predicting when Dan will sell it? It was offered > on the Fakebuch Mercedes veterans group maybe a week ago. > > BTW, trim thy posts, Andy. > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 8/22/19 2:41 PM: > > The hammer will fall at $12,500.00 > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] NOW The Blue finnie - what's it worth?
Who is the winner for predicting when Dan will sell it? It was offered on the Fakebuch Mercedes veterans group maybe a week ago. BTW, trim thy posts, Andy. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 8/22/19 2:41 PM: The hammer will fall at $12,500.00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 06:56:40 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > > - there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to > > motion, probably more like 30%. > > My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the > energy turns into motion. 1/3 is heat out the exhaust pipe, and 1/3 is > heat out the radiator et al. That is correct, which is why in co-generation installations, efforts are made to recover as much heat as possible from the exhaust and coolant. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] NOW The Blue finnie - what's it worth?
The hammer will fall at $12,500.00 On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:33 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Shall we have a contest as to the final high bid? > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I love the steering wheel and the barber pole speedo from these cars! >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:05 PM Dan--- via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Bid on this, it’s a much better deal: >> > >> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-220se-2/ >> > >> > -D >> > >> > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > *The value of these cars is high enough that everyone just throws new >> > > interior in them for cheap (only $6-10k!), steam cleans everything, >> and >> > > throws them up for sale for huge mark up. I'm not saying thats the >> case >> > > with this car, but it could be, which turned off buyers.* >> > > >> > > ?? The vehicle with all its warts was bid to over $200k. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:49 PM Craig via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:05:14 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> I only looked on my phone, so I didn't look took carefully at the >> door >> > >>> gap. >> > >> >> > >> The door gap is the same on both sides, but it does appear to be too >> > big. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> I think when you see damage to the floor, it brings up questions >> about >> > >>> what else is messed up or hiding. Plus, its difficult to fix in a >> cab >> > >>> due to the two layers of floor in them. >> > >> >> > >> The rear end is higher on the left than on the right. >> > >> >> > >> The last picture, showing the VIN tag, also shows a plate which is >> > >> missing one of its screws. >> > >> >> > >> Picture 52 shows the refrigerant fitting on the driver's side of the >> > >> condenser to be crimped on to the hose, but the hose connected to the >> > >> receiver dryer on the other side has a hose clamp, the head of which >> > >> appears rusted. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Craig >> > >> >> > >> ___ >> > >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> > >> >> > > ___ >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > > >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few >> who >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence >> for themselves." >> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
Shall we have a contest as to the final high bid? On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > I love the steering wheel and the barber pole speedo from these cars! > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:05 PM Dan--- via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > Bid on this, it’s a much better deal: > > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-220se-2/ > > > > -D > > > > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > *The value of these cars is high enough that everyone just throws new > > > interior in them for cheap (only $6-10k!), steam cleans everything, and > > > throws them up for sale for huge mark up. I'm not saying thats the > case > > > with this car, but it could be, which turned off buyers.* > > > > > > ?? The vehicle with all its warts was bid to over $200k. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:49 PM Craig via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:05:14 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I only looked on my phone, so I didn't look took carefully at the > door > > >>> gap. > > >> > > >> The door gap is the same on both sides, but it does appear to be too > > big. > > >> > > >> > > >>> I think when you see damage to the floor, it brings up questions > about > > >>> what else is messed up or hiding. Plus, its difficult to fix in a > cab > > >>> due to the two layers of floor in them. > > >> > > >> The rear end is higher on the left than on the right. > > >> > > >> The last picture, showing the VIN tag, also shows a plate which is > > >> missing one of its screws. > > >> > > >> Picture 52 shows the refrigerant fitting on the driver's side of the > > >> condenser to be crimped on to the hose, but the hose connected to the > > >> receiver dryer on the other side has a hose clamp, the head of which > > >> appears rusted. > > >> > > >> > > >> Craig > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
ROFL. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:02 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them something to > ponder ... > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > What's the hidden meaning, Wilton? Are you afraid your conversations are > > being monitored in Beijing? > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
Hear Here! Well Stated Herr Mann. Without the taxpayer's robbed dollars, he would never have been. Take away the gummit tit, and he's a has been. (Or never was) Who were those guys who sucked the gummit money outa solendra? Nobody knows... G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 8/21/19 11:06 PM: Musk is a self absorbed savant... who truly believes only HE has the answers and has a long history of failing to hand off empowerment to others In the world of inventors, through history, that has been the kiss of ultimate failure. My assessment of his pattern says, that is exactly where Tesla is directed along with his other projects... Only my views, your view may be different. I can respect that... but I won't be investing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
OK Don via Mercedes writes: > IIRC, they have to cool the batteries as well - but I don't remember > if that's during driving, or only while charging. More heat to put to > good use regardless ... I'm pretty sure they have to manage battery temperature both ways. Cool if they are getting too hot, and keep them at some minimal acceptable temperature if it's cold and the car is sitting. Rapid charging relies on careful control of battery temperature as well. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
Shingle mill is just a horizontal sawmill with shorter bolts. Oh, and thick and thin is desired, not the product of a wornout mill and a mediocre sawyer. THe old guy who sawed most of my logs was a good sawyer with a worn out mill. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 8/21/19 3:35 PM: On 21/08/2019 3:16 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Yep, it's a real lesson in the power of centrifugal force multiplied by speed. Sounds like you Dad had it all dialed in. My Grandfather was the one who got me to doing it. He had "Skills" that few had, in a bunch of old school things. Yes, my father had grown up with it. His father had a shingle mill. I don't know whether they sawed lumber as well or if it was just shingles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
Yeah, I thought that was hilarious! Ol Elton Stink is not faring so well without obumster offering the gummit tit to suck on. Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 8/21/19 3:25 PM: Walmart has sued Tesla Inc, accusing it of 'widespread negligence' that led to repeated fires of its solar systems and asking a court to force Tesla to remove solar panels from more than 240 of its stores across the country. Solar energy systems installed and maintained by the electric car maker were responsible for fires at seven locations, with dozens showing hazardous problems such as loose wiring and 'hot spots' on panels, according to court papers filed in New York State Supreme Court on Tuesday. The lawsuit accuses Tesla of having untrained workers putting up shoddy installations and showing 'utter incompetence or callousness, or both,' court papers said. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7379707/Walmart-sues-Tesla-solar-panels-burst-flames-eight-stores.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
I love the steering wheel and the barber pole speedo from these cars! On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:05 PM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > Bid on this, it’s a much better deal: > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-220se-2/ > > -D > > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > *The value of these cars is high enough that everyone just throws new > > interior in them for cheap (only $6-10k!), steam cleans everything, and > > throws them up for sale for huge mark up. I'm not saying thats the case > > with this car, but it could be, which turned off buyers.* > > > > ?? The vehicle with all its warts was bid to over $200k. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:49 PM Craig via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:05:14 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I only looked on my phone, so I didn't look took carefully at the door > >>> gap. > >> > >> The door gap is the same on both sides, but it does appear to be too > big. > >> > >> > >>> I think when you see damage to the floor, it brings up questions about > >>> what else is messed up or hiding. Plus, its difficult to fix in a cab > >>> due to the two layers of floor in them. > >> > >> The rear end is higher on the left than on the right. > >> > >> The last picture, showing the VIN tag, also shows a plate which is > >> missing one of its screws. > >> > >> Picture 52 shows the refrigerant fitting on the driver's side of the > >> condenser to be crimped on to the hose, but the hose connected to the > >> receiver dryer on the other side has a hose clamp, the head of which > >> appears rusted. > >> > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
Methane digester/recovery is old tech, as Curley just suggested. It has some inherent negatives, however: Low BTU content Requirement to “scrub” and dry it, as in its raw form it’s highly corrosive I can recall working on equipment around total confinement hog operations that did methane recovery in the early 1980s with Purdue University and farmers in the areas surrounding West Lafayette. A piece of equipment in these places would be a rusted out hulk in a year of being exposed to the environment. -D > On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sounds like another methane digester. Nothing new there. First one I saw in > operation was 1983 on a hog farm. > > Of course you have to consider the sources: Vermont pointy heads and some > moron submitting to the AP. > > Actually, the Mother earph news hippies were probably building digesters in > VT in the late 60s. > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 8/21/19 1:56 PM: >> Manure and food scrap digester to make fuel for Vt. collegePublished: >> Wednesday, August 21, 2019 >> >> Construction is underway at a Vermont dairy farm on a system that will turn >> cow manure and food scraps into renewable natural gas to help Middlebury >> College meet its goal of getting 100% of its energy from renewable sources >> and provide extra income for the farmer. >> >> The groundbreaking for the anaerobic digester was held yesterday at the >> Goodrich Family Farm in Salisbury, Vt. >> >> "We constantly seek innovative ways to be good stewards of the land and >> practice sustainable and viable agriculture," said Chase Goodrich, who is >> among the fourth generation of his family to operate their farm, which now >> milks about 900 cows. "The digester will help to continue to make this >> possible." >> >> The digester, which is being constructed as a partnership of the college, >> the farm, Vermont Gas Systems and Vanguard Renewables, will be the largest >> of its kind in Vermont. >> >> A statement distributed by the college said the system would process 100 >> tons of manure and 180 tons of organic food waste a day into renewable >> natural gas. >> >> Vanguard is now contacting local and Vermont-based food manufacturers to >> find the food waste. >> >> Middlebury College, which is working on a plan to meet all its energy needs >> from renewable sources by 2028, is planning to buy the bulk of the gas that >> will be produced by the digester. Once the digester is in operation, it >> will supply about half the energy Middlebury uses for heating and cooling. >> The college's biomass plant will produce the other 50%. Both sources >> provide some of the college's electricity. >> >> Vermont Gas has begun construction on a 5-mile pipeline to connect the farm >> with its distribution network. *— Associated Press* >> ___ >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
Sounds like another methane digester. Nothing new there. First one I saw in operation was 1983 on a hog farm. Of course you have to consider the sources: Vermont pointy heads and some moron submitting to the AP. Actually, the Mother earph news hippies were probably building digesters in VT in the late 60s. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 8/21/19 1:56 PM: Manure and food scrap digester to make fuel for Vt. collegePublished: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 Construction is underway at a Vermont dairy farm on a system that will turn cow manure and food scraps into renewable natural gas to help Middlebury College meet its goal of getting 100% of its energy from renewable sources and provide extra income for the farmer. The groundbreaking for the anaerobic digester was held yesterday at the Goodrich Family Farm in Salisbury, Vt. "We constantly seek innovative ways to be good stewards of the land and practice sustainable and viable agriculture," said Chase Goodrich, who is among the fourth generation of his family to operate their farm, which now milks about 900 cows. "The digester will help to continue to make this possible." The digester, which is being constructed as a partnership of the college, the farm, Vermont Gas Systems and Vanguard Renewables, will be the largest of its kind in Vermont. A statement distributed by the college said the system would process 100 tons of manure and 180 tons of organic food waste a day into renewable natural gas. Vanguard is now contacting local and Vermont-based food manufacturers to find the food waste. Middlebury College, which is working on a plan to meet all its energy needs from renewable sources by 2028, is planning to buy the bulk of the gas that will be produced by the digester. Once the digester is in operation, it will supply about half the energy Middlebury uses for heating and cooling. The college's biomass plant will produce the other 50%. Both sources provide some of the college's electricity. Vermont Gas has begun construction on a 5-mile pipeline to connect the farm with its distribution network. *— Associated Press* ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
Bid on this, it’s a much better deal: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-220se-2/ -D > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > *The value of these cars is high enough that everyone just throws new > interior in them for cheap (only $6-10k!), steam cleans everything, and > throws them up for sale for huge mark up. I'm not saying thats the case > with this car, but it could be, which turned off buyers.* > > ?? The vehicle with all its warts was bid to over $200k. > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:49 PM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:05:14 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> I only looked on my phone, so I didn't look took carefully at the door >>> gap. >> >> The door gap is the same on both sides, but it does appear to be too big. >> >> >>> I think when you see damage to the floor, it brings up questions about >>> what else is messed up or hiding. Plus, its difficult to fix in a cab >>> due to the two layers of floor in them. >> >> The rear end is higher on the left than on the right. >> >> The last picture, showing the VIN tag, also shows a plate which is >> missing one of its screws. >> >> Picture 52 shows the refrigerant fitting on the driver's side of the >> condenser to be crimped on to the hose, but the hose connected to the >> receiver dryer on the other side has a hose clamp, the head of which >> appears rusted. >> >> >> Craig >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
No, he is fully aware that they are, and is just giving them something to ponder ... On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What's the hidden meaning, Wilton? Are you afraid your conversations are > being monitored in Beijing? > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
IIRC, they have to cool the batteries as well - but I don't remember if that's during driving, or only while charging. More heat to put to good use regardless ... Are Peltier chips more or less efficient than heat pumps? They can heat or cool. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:39 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > A fuel powered vehicle produces heat which is obviously needed for > comfort and to keep the windows clear. > > The auxiliary radiator in a fueled vehicle is one of the most elegant bits > of engineering, ever. > Taking a waste product (heat) and making full use of it for comfort and > safety. REV's don't have > much waste heat, and so far as I know nobody's making use of it. If they > did, it'd have to be > like a VW beetle, with an air shroud capturing the motor heat. REV's can > choose to use a heat > pump rather than resistive heat, which gives them something like a 3x > multiplier for the energy > expended. Still, they're at their worst in cold weather no matter what. > > -- Jim > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
What's the hidden meaning, Wilton? Are you afraid your conversations are being monitored in Beijing? On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:46 PM Wilton Strickland via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Yep, & I got it. > > W > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
Yep, & I got it. W ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
Passed W -From: "Wilton Strickland via Mercedes" To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" Cc: "Wilton Strickland" Sent: Thursday August 22 2019 2:35:24PM Subject: [MBZ] test W ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
Maybe it's a hidden message? On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:39 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Aardvark to you too! > > Randy > > On 22/08/2019 1:35 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes wrote: > > W > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] test
Aardvark to you too! Randy On 22/08/2019 1:35 PM, Wilton Strickland via Mercedes wrote: W ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
*The value of these cars is high enough that everyone just throws new interior in them for cheap (only $6-10k!), steam cleans everything, and throws them up for sale for huge mark up. I'm not saying thats the case with this car, but it could be, which turned off buyers.* ?? The vehicle with all its warts was bid to over $200k. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 12:49 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:05:14 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I only looked on my phone, so I didn't look took carefully at the door > > gap. > > The door gap is the same on both sides, but it does appear to be too big. > > > > I think when you see damage to the floor, it brings up questions about > > what else is messed up or hiding. Plus, its difficult to fix in a cab > > due to the two layers of floor in them. > > The rear end is higher on the left than on the right. > > The last picture, showing the VIN tag, also shows a plate which is > missing one of its screws. > > Picture 52 shows the refrigerant fitting on the driver's side of the > condenser to be crimped on to the hose, but the hose connected to the > receiver dryer on the other side has a hose clamp, the head of which > appears rusted. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
I'll drink to that. Randy On 22/08/2019 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This forum is proof that individualism is far from dead ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] test
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Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
This forum is proof that individualism is far from dead . On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:35 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Thanks for the memory jog. I read that in one sitting. > > Free read with Prime. > > > https://www.amazon.com/Anthem-AmazonClassics-Ayn-Rand-ebook/dp/B07Q7H32XG/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=anthem=1566487939=2941120011=digital-text=1-3 > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: August 21, 2019 2:28 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: dillonm...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas > > I think you nailed it Randy, most of the "solutions" to the perceived > "problem" are from the third world. Seems to be the direction we are being > forced into. > > Ayn Rand's "Anthem" comes to mind. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w123 battery box area rust
you put the sealer over the pin/hole. Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 8/20/19 12:08 PM: How are pop rivets watertight again? I know they use them on canoes and roundabouts, but all the one I know of are hollow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - chain saws
i'd guess the regular poulan is junk. never had one, but that is the reputation. The poulan pro are ok for home farm use in my experience. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 8/20/19 12:02 PM: A few years ago I bought a regular poulan the yellow one. It was a turd and I wore myself out just trying to start it. Took it back to Lowe’s and got the green pro one. It has been great for my needs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $250 down 600/00 per month -- crackheads only need apply
On 22/08/2019 12:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/savannah-85-mercedes-diesel/6962127270.html Well, if you just happened to need a drive train for a comparable vehicle, it might be worth the money. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $250 down 600/00 per month -- crackheads only need apply
That will buff out. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 1:01 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/savannah-85-mercedes-diesel/6962127270.html > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $250 down 600/00 per month -- crackheads only need apply
Translation: Buy my totaled car for $1,000... the scrap dealer will only give me $200 for it and I'm short to my crack pusher this week... On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:01 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > https://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/d/savannah-85-mercedes-diesel/6962127270.html > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
Youngest son is enthralled by Tesla cars. Had a great summer 2018 drooling over all the examples in SEA, and the neighbor has two and just quit working for Tesla Co. Over this past summer, he was on a quest to view a Tesla in ANC. I think I found more OM617 power cars there than he did REV. The only one found was kind of beat up and an example of how unsuited the things are for arctic driving. clay > On Aug 22, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> A fuel powered vehicle produces heat which is obviously needed for comfort >> and to keep the windows clear. > > The auxiliary radiator in a fueled vehicle is one of the most elegant bits of > engineering, ever. > Taking a waste product (heat) and making full use of it for comfort and > safety. REV's don't have > much waste heat, and so far as I know nobody's making use of it. If they > did, it'd have to be > like a VW beetle, with an air shroud capturing the motor heat. REV's can > choose to use a heat > pump rather than resistive heat, which gives them something like a 3x > multiplier for the energy > expended. Still, they're at their worst in cold weather no matter what. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] $250 down 600/00 per month -- crackheads only need apply
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Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:05:14 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: > I only looked on my phone, so I didn't look took carefully at the door > gap. The door gap is the same on both sides, but it does appear to be too big. > I think when you see damage to the floor, it brings up questions about > what else is messed up or hiding. Plus, its difficult to fix in a cab > due to the two layers of floor in them. The rear end is higher on the left than on the right. The last picture, showing the VIN tag, also shows a plate which is missing one of its screws. Picture 52 shows the refrigerant fitting on the driver's side of the condenser to be crimped on to the hose, but the hose connected to the receiver dryer on the other side has a hose clamp, the head of which appears rusted. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
From my experience with moving sheet metal, the pucker in the floor from poor lift use, likely distorted the rocker, which could be the cause for the door gap issue. As Jamie stated... not an easy fix. in most cases, would require surgical removal of the floor, rocker and attaching parts, with replacement with newly hand made parts... by skilled craftsman. Followed by skilled paint work, to return to original status. Value of the car supports that level of work, but not at full boat price purchase. Estimate 2 yrs and easy 45,000 to 60,000 repair bill. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 7:06 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I only looked on my phone, so I didn't look took carefully at the door gap. > > I think when you see damage to the floor, it brings up questions about what > else is messed up or hiding. Plus, its difficult to fix in a cab due to > the two layers of floor in them. > > The value of these cars is high enough that everyone just throws new > interior in them for cheap (only $6-10k!), steam cleans everything, and > throws them up for sale for huge mark up. I'm not saying thats the case > with this car, but it could be, which turned off buyers. > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:54 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > How much would the value of a quarter million dollar car go down, just > > from the vandalism done to the floor? > > Mitch. > > > > > > > On August 22, 2019 at 7:42 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Like the two giant creases in the floor from someone raising the car > on a > > > lift incorrectly... that’s really ugly and not easy to fix. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
> A fuel powered vehicle produces heat which is obviously needed for comfort > and to keep the windows clear. The auxiliary radiator in a fueled vehicle is one of the most elegant bits of engineering, ever. Taking a waste product (heat) and making full use of it for comfort and safety. REV's don't have much waste heat, and so far as I know nobody's making use of it. If they did, it'd have to be like a VW beetle, with an air shroud capturing the motor heat. REV's can choose to use a heat pump rather than resistive heat, which gives them something like a 3x multiplier for the energy expended. Still, they're at their worst in cold weather no matter what. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-glow relay
> Is it safe to use the old toxic type on the electronics? Yes, and no. Perfectly safe to use ON THE JOINTS, which are not electronics. Get it on anything on the other side and you are in deep trouble. I scrub the board clean under running water, then blow dry. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
On 22/08/2019 8:56 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: - there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to motion, probably more like 30%. My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the energy turns into motion. 1/3 is heat out the exhaust pipe, and 1/3 is heat out the radiator et al. On the generating side you have the same kinds of losses, but different magnitudes due to economies of scale. Also, the grid is not particularly efficient, and then there's losses in both charging, and discharging, batteries... -- Jim Do the differences change in cold weather? A fuel powered vehicle produces heat which is obviously needed for comfort and to keep the windows clear. Electric powered vehicles need to produce that heat by resistance means I would assume and that has to be a problem for them in cold weather when the battery is probably not performing at its peak ability as well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-glow relay
On 22/08/2019 11:05 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: ...haven't found a good product to deal with the coating... Paint stripper. Carefully! Once the coating is off the bad solder joints often become more apparent. Caps are cheap and easy to replace. Not all are bad, but see prior sentence. -- Jim ___ Any particular sort of paint stripper? There are the old standbys like Polystrippa and there are the newer greener types that don't appear to me to work all that well on paint. Is it safe to use the old toxic type on the electronics? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-glow relay
> ...haven't found a good product to deal with the coating... Paint stripper. Carefully! Once the coating is off the bad solder joints often become more apparent. Caps are cheap and easy to replace. Not all are bad, but see prior sentence. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas
Thanks for the memory jog. I read that in one sitting. Free read with Prime. https://www.amazon.com/Anthem-AmazonClassics-Ayn-Rand-ebook/dp/B07Q7H32XG/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=anthem=1566487939=2941120011=digital-text=1-3 Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: August 21, 2019 2:28 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: dillonm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: From cow poop to nat. gas I think you nailed it Randy, most of the "solutions" to the perceived "problem" are from the third world. Seems to be the direction we are being forced into. Ayn Rand's "Anthem" comes to mind. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I had a hitchhiker this morning
Did he hop off? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2019, at 10:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-glow relay
Thanks Craig! Have the sucker and the flux, haven't found a good product to deal with the coating so usually I just remove it mechanically at each joint. I found the following "can" type capacitors: 1 micro-farad 220 " " 470 " " All are polarized, and it appears they are all rated for 10v and 85 deg C. There are a few other devices that are similar is shape and size to another type of capacitor, the much-more-expensive variety, but I can't find any farad ratings, so I suspect they could be resistors. I'm going to create a Google Drive folder and put them up there, maybe someone can help ID them. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
I only looked on my phone, so I didn't look took carefully at the door gap. I think when you see damage to the floor, it brings up questions about what else is messed up or hiding. Plus, its difficult to fix in a cab due to the two layers of floor in them. The value of these cars is high enough that everyone just throws new interior in them for cheap (only $6-10k!), steam cleans everything, and throws them up for sale for huge mark up. I'm not saying thats the case with this car, but it could be, which turned off buyers. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:54 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > How much would the value of a quarter million dollar car go down, just > from the vandalism done to the floor? > Mitch. > > > > On August 22, 2019 at 7:42 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Like the two giant creases in the floor from someone raising the car on a > > lift incorrectly... that’s really ugly and not easy to fix. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I had a hitchhiker this morning
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
> - there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to motion, > probably more like 30%. My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the energy turns into motion. 1/3 is heat out the exhaust pipe, and 1/3 is heat out the radiator et al. On the generating side you have the same kinds of losses, but different magnitudes due to economies of scale. Also, the grid is not particularly efficient, and then there's losses in both charging, and discharging, batteries... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
How much would the value of a quarter million dollar car go down, just from the vandalism done to the floor? Mitch. > On August 22, 2019 at 7:42 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > Like the two giant creases in the floor from someone raising the car on a > lift incorrectly... that’s really ugly and not easy to fix. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-glow relay
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:22:45 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Yeah, I'm going to order a few of each of the capacitors, start > building up a "ready spare" reserve. Good idea. > I'm not skilled enough to ID a bad solder joint by visual inspection > unless it is REALLY bad. First, make sure there is not a conformal coating over the circuit board -- if there is you must remove it from either each joint or the entire circuit board Then get a solder sucker if you don't have one. Then go over each joint, removing the existing solder and adding new -- you will have to do that with the six capacitor joints, anyway. This presumes you already have a soldering iron and non-acid flux-cored solder. Alternatively, for the non-capacitor joints, you could use some liquid rosin flux and put a drop of it on each joint before you heat it to re-do the joint. NOTE: You must always use flux when you heat a joint, which is why you must use flux-cored solder even for the initial forming of a joint. NOTE: The flux for plumbing pipe is not appropriate for circuit boards -- it contains substances which remain electrically conductive after soldering. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
Thanks Jaime, so door gap is ok? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On August 22, 2019 7:42:52 AM EDT, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: >That hose hanging down from the front of the car is just the radiator >overflow. It’s sloppy but easy to trim. The rest of the car looks >decent, >if a bit over restored in some ways, and missing big details in others. >Like the two giant creases in the floor from someone raising the car on >a >lift incorrectly... that’s really ugly and not easy to fix. > >More pictures would have helped too. > >On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:59 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Wow, $171K and climbing. >> >> That first pic just seems off to me. There's a couple things hanging >under >> the front bumper that look sloppy and unkempt, and what is going on >with >> the large gap between the door and the door sill? That gap also >doesn't >> look very neat and I'm NOT an expert by any means, but I find it hard >to >> believe it left the factory with that gap. >> >> I'd like to hear Jaime's thoughts on this car. >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> -- >Jaime Kopchinski >http://www.jaimekop.com/ >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pre-glow relay
Yeah, I'm going to order a few of each of the capacitors, start building up a "ready spare" reserve. I'm not skilled enough to ID a bad solder joint by visual inspection unless it is REALLY bad. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On August 21, 2019 11:52:07 PM EDT, Curt Raymond wrote: >Jim Cathey would already have done it. ;) >Inspect the board for bad solder joints while you're there... >Curt > >Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:31 AM, Max Dillon via >Mercedes wrote: Died in my '95 E300 >(124.131). One day after starting the car, the glow light came on >while I was driving, and stayed on until I disconnected both plugs from >the relay. Since then, the relay only works about 2 of every 3 tries. > >All the glow plugs test fine (measuring current). > >Replaced the relay, dated September of 99, with a used relay from a >w140, dated November of 94 with a different part number. > >Opened up the faulty relay, looks like only three capacitors I could >replace. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 280SE 3.5 cab on BAT
That hose hanging down from the front of the car is just the radiator overflow. It’s sloppy but easy to trim. The rest of the car looks decent, if a bit over restored in some ways, and missing big details in others. Like the two giant creases in the floor from someone raising the car on a lift incorrectly... that’s really ugly and not easy to fix. More pictures would have helped too. On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:59 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Wow, $171K and climbing. > > That first pic just seems off to me. There's a couple things hanging under > the front bumper that look sloppy and unkempt, and what is going on with > the large gap between the door and the door sill? That gap also doesn't > look very neat and I'm NOT an expert by any means, but I find it hard to > believe it left the factory with that gap. > > I'd like to hear Jaime's thoughts on this car. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I had a hitchhiker this morning
We have frogs like that all over the place. I had one on the roof of my car the other day when I left for work. 19 miles later it was gone... -D > On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:15 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Are these native, or escaped pets. > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 8:21 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Avoiding fried frog legs >> >> Dwight Giles Jr. >> Wickford RI >> >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 11:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> It rides in style. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:51 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> Tree frog. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On August 21, 2019 10:35:06 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tesla power
I would say there is a very large (read almost unimaginable) amount of money floating around that gets poured into all sort of things. HyperLoop, like nuclear power, is an engineering nightmare, and the maintenance required to keep it working will kill it. His car company still isn't making money, and likely never will, for the simple reason that electric cars produce MORE carbon release in total than gasoline powered one do -- there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to motion, probably more like 30%. Pipe dreams (as in opium pipe dreams) and far to much available cash. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I had a hitchhiker this morning
Are these native, or escaped pets. On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 8:21 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Avoiding fried frog legs > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 11:10 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > It rides in style. > > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:51 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Tree frog. > > > -- > > > Max Dillon > > > Charleston SC > > > > > > On August 21, 2019 10:35:06 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
