Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Floyd says:

>I got a month of gas free.

That almost calls for a banned response.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> I would have expected the yard to be
flooded in the drain field but it didn't seem to be.

If it has been a dry autumn, the leech field probably just worked as it should.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

About 125 cubic feet.
Had a toilet running for two weeks at my Mom's empty house in Oct.
Water, sewage and garbage bill is normally $58 a month. For Oct the bill 
was over $200.00


Russ W

On 12/17/2020 11:52, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
straight?

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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Imagine a cellulose dingleb*rry.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:41 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > I still am not sure what exactly a hanging chad is.
>
> Ever used a worn hole punch, where the bit of the future confetti hung on
> by a thread?
> Like that.  But on a ballot of the sort where you punch out the little
> paper squares to vote.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh

On 12/17/2020 8:40 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I still am not sure what exactly a hanging chad is.

Ever used a worn hole punch, where the bit of the future confetti hung on by a 
thread?
Like that.  But on a ballot of the sort where you punch out the little paper 
squares to vote.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Wright Brothers Day

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The one I embedded in the email, just like this one:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aq8Oa078p_LjvTvXJoM_2WEfGxvB?e=jrXLRv


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:18 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What photo?
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:56 PM OK Don via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > The Greatest Photograph of All Time?
> > The photograph above was taken by John Thomas Daniels, a member of the
> U.S.
> > Life-Saving Station in Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina. He recorded the
> > first powered flight in history, on December 17, 1903.
> >
> > Daniels had never seen a camera before, and later said that he was so
> > excited by seeing the *Flyer* rising that he nearly forgot Orville
> Wright's
> > instructions to squeeze the bulb triggering the shutter.
> >
> > Thankfully he remembered, and took one of the greatest photographs in
> > history, capturing the exact moment of a truly world-changing event.
> > *Happy Wright Brothers Day *
> > Today we commemorate the first successful flights in a heavier-than-air,
> > mechanically propelled airplane, that were made by Orville and Wilbur
> > Wright on December 17, 1903, at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.
> >
> > Since 1959, as declared by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, December
> 17
> > has been recognized nationally as Wright Brothers Day.
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> > Wernher
> > Von Braun
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Showing your (young) age Kaleb!

A "hanging chad" is a partially detached punch-out on an IBM data card.  You 
probably don't remember people carrying around huge boxes of IBM punch cards, 
I've not seen a punch machine in use since 1983 when SIU retired their last one.

The Votomatic system used an IBM punch card with partially cut holes, the voter 
used a stylus to push out the one next to the name of the candidated they 
wanted to vote for.  Needless to say, the card were fragile, and after a few 
trips through the reader started to shed un-selected "chads", making them 
unreadable.

The major drawback to them in high voting areas is the the tray that caught the 
chads punched out by the voter were fairly shallow, and if not emptied often 
enough the stylus would hit a pile of punched out chads and NOT completely 
remove the selected on.  If it didn't come off completely, it would hang onto 
the card, a "hanging chad", and if the ballot was handled much, a lot of them 
could come loose.  So was the hanging chad a vote or not?  Impossible to tell.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Wright Brothers Day

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Thanks!

--FT
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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:56 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The Greatest Photograph of All Time?
> The photograph above was taken by John Thomas Daniels, a member of the U.S.
> Life-Saving Station in Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina. He recorded the
> first powered flight in history, on December 17, 1903.
> 
> Daniels had never seen a camera before, and later said that he was so
> excited by seeing the *Flyer* rising that he nearly forgot Orville Wright's
> instructions to squeeze the bulb triggering the shutter.
> 
> Thankfully he remembered, and took one of the greatest photographs in
> history, capturing the exact moment of a truly world-changing event.
> *Happy Wright Brothers Day *
> Today we commemorate the first successful flights in a heavier-than-air,
> mechanically propelled airplane, that were made by Orville and Wilbur
> Wright on December 17, 1903, at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.
> 
> Since 1959, as declared by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, December 17
> has been recognized nationally as Wright Brothers Day.
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] engine swap survey

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-17 18:47, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

 Take the insurance check for the 83, buy it as salvage and take the
motor and transmission out for later use.


I'd ask them what the buyback price is to save them the hassle of 
hauling it to the auction house. (and then maybe counteroffer 1/2-2/3 if 
their offer is excessive)


The problem this year is insurance auction prices have been higher than 
normal. Did you see that red W124 that Kaleb wanted at CoPart?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Sadly, there are bad doctors as well as bad mechanics

Sorry to hear about your dad Clay.  My mom is hanging in there at 97, still 
sharp but failing physically.  My father died six months after a bad heart 
attack in 1976.
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Re: [MBZ] How hard would this be to un ghetto it?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Not hard. You could sell those wheels for some good money too. Offer $800 cash 
money. 

--FT
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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

*Fresh baked bread and bacon drippings*

My uncle would cook toast spread with bacon fat in the oven at 400 degrees.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:37 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I haven't eaten in a restaurant since June.
>
> Have gotten take-out a handful of times.
>
> Nobody delivers where I live.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>
> >  One good thing about COVID is that our dining out budget has shrunk
> dramatically. We've always cooked but from March until May we "ate out"
> about once a month and that was going to my friend Jon's food truck for the
> best BBQ around.
> > These days we eat out once or twice a week, usually Sunday breakfast. I
> get blueberry pancakes and bacon, eat a third and bring the rest home for
> breakfast Monday and Tuesday...
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 7:41:32 PM EST, Clay Monroe via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >  Since I know how to cook and remain poor (in my mind, at least), I do
> not regularly partake of commercial food purveyors.  I have noted that
> portion sizes have become Brobdingnagian recently.  I made three meals out
> of the trip to a sit down place in 2019.  As for fast food, I do get
> cravings every few years.  Drive through and grab a “meal”, consume it,
> then spend the next day or so recalling why I do not consort with fast
> food.  That sort of hotdog belch, nasty taste in the mouth, ball of tape
> worms wrestling, water closet tempest events.  So very off putting, that it
> keeps my custom from those shops, until memory fades again.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I still am not sure what exactly a hanging chad is.

Ever used a worn hole punch, where the bit of the future confetti hung on by a 
thread?
Like that.  But on a ballot of the sort where you punch out the little paper 
squares to vote.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Just outside of DC: 1" snow followed by 1" cold rain, then polished off
with another 0.5" *soupcon* of snow.  Oh The Humanity.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> E cole ow dah!  Heah be inna foties night
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just got the call, we'll be out grooming tomorrow night. I got the ASV
> started yesterday but it needed 3 hours of heat first. I think it might
> have some gelled fuel. I put some goop in it and let it run for an hour.
> I'll plug it in tomorrow after lunch. It should be fine by 6...
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   We got a dusting here over the weekend.
> Futher south got a few inches.
> >
> >> On 12/17/2020 3:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff,
> easy to move.
> >> Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at a thrift store,
> she's loving tromping around in this stuff. There is something so much more
> satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the modern aluminum and plastic ones.
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] How hard would this be to un ghetto it?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That car would be evicted from any self-respecting ghetto.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/832139230956317/
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A propos of nothing, we have been watching Flight Attendant streaming on
HBO Max, starring Kaley Cuoco.  Very riveting and she is easy to look at.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:05 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just watched Man Lab season 3, episode 1. Sort of quirky, but engaging.
> The pizza oven build wasn’t that great, but calling the national
> steeplechase was pretty interesting. The wine tasting segment sort of
> reminds me of the series that had the two guys who sent the doofus buddy
> out in the world to do stupid stuff.
>
> Unlike much of what I have watched lately, I don’t feel like I want my
> time back after it was over, so that’s a good thing.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Very enjoyable.  He has a baking series also.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> > inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> "Man Lab" is another good James May show, its available on Amazon prime
> video. Its not "Wuthering Heights" but a fun, light little show.
> >> -Curt
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Wright Brothers Day

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What photo?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:56 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The Greatest Photograph of All Time?
> The photograph above was taken by John Thomas Daniels, a member of the U.S.
> Life-Saving Station in Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina. He recorded the
> first powered flight in history, on December 17, 1903.
>
> Daniels had never seen a camera before, and later said that he was so
> excited by seeing the *Flyer* rising that he nearly forgot Orville Wright's
> instructions to squeeze the bulb triggering the shutter.
>
> Thankfully he remembered, and took one of the greatest photographs in
> history, capturing the exact moment of a truly world-changing event.
> *Happy Wright Brothers Day *
> Today we commemorate the first successful flights in a heavier-than-air,
> mechanically propelled airplane, that were made by Orville and Wilbur
> Wright on December 17, 1903, at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.
>
> Since 1959, as declared by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, December 17
> has been recognized nationally as Wright Brothers Day.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 *** Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 4dr Sedan 300SDL Turbo Auto *** $1, 745

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Unless the interior is trashed this is stupid cheap.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:26 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Exterior shots look really nice.  It's at a pull-a-part
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3537976372995981/?ref=search_code=undefined
>
> 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series
> $1,745
> Vehicles 
> Dealership· Listed 13 hours ago in Winston-Salem, NC
> 
>
>
> About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 266,190 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Cream · Interior color:
> VIN: WDBCB25D2HA306958
> Fuel type: Diesel
>
>
> Seller's description…
>
> 1987 *** Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 4dr Sedan 300SDL Turbo Auto *** 1987
> Mercedes Benz 300 Diesel 6 cyl Turbo Diesel Engine automatic passed nc
> safety inspection clean title Winston-Salem Pull-A-Part Address: 4125 N.
> Patterson Ave, Winston-Salem, 27105-2250 Phone: [hidden information] To
> view our entire inventory, go to :
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> below to view more information!
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>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Possibly but not likely.

On 12/17/2020 7:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


I am not sure where the hell it all went.  The septic tank is either
500 gal or 1k, can't remember which.  I would have expected the yard
to be flooded in the drain field but it didn't seem to be.

Don't rule out the possibility that the water utility screwed up the
latest meter reading. Did they double-check it?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

E cole ow dah!  Heah be inna foties night 

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just got the call, we'll be out grooming tomorrow night. I got the ASV 
> started yesterday but it needed 3 hours of heat first. I think it might have 
> some gelled fuel. I put some goop in it and let it run for an hour. I'll plug 
> it in tomorrow after lunch. It should be fine by 6...
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes wrote:   We got a dusting here over the 
> weekend.  Futher south got a few inches.
> 
>> On 12/17/2020 3:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff, easy to 
>> move.
>> Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at a thrift store, she's 
>> loving tromping around in this stuff. There is something so much more 
>> satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the modern aluminum and plastic ones.
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> I am not sure where the hell it all went.  The septic tank is either
> 500 gal or 1k, can't remember which.  I would have expected the yard
> to be flooded in the drain field but it didn't seem to be.

Don't rule out the possibility that the water utility screwed up the
latest meter reading. Did they double-check it?

Allan

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[MBZ] How hard would this be to un ghetto it?

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/832139230956317/


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Re: [MBZ] Stupid money 300TD -- 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300 turbo diesel, $5, 000

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Either way, worth at least $5k all day long.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 5:57 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> Is the hood bent?
>
> RB
>
> On 17/12/2020 4:26 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > Low in the rear and different plates front and rear.
> > IMO
> > Fred
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:46 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/212806447085488/?ref=search_code=undefined
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> >> --
> >> --FT
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I haven't eaten in a restaurant since June.

Have gotten take-out a handful of times.

Nobody delivers where I live.

Allan


Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

>  One good thing about COVID is that our dining out budget has shrunk 
> dramatically. We've always cooked but from March until May we "ate out" about 
> once a month and that was going to my friend Jon's food truck for the best 
> BBQ around.
> These days we eat out once or twice a week, usually Sunday breakfast. I get 
> blueberry pancakes and bacon, eat a third and bring the rest home for 
> breakfast Monday and Tuesday...
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 7:41:32 PM EST, Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  Since I know how to cook and remain poor (in my mind, at least), I do not 
> regularly partake of commercial food purveyors.  I have noted that portion 
> sizes have become Brobdingnagian recently.  I made three meals out of the 
> trip to a sit down place in 2019.  As for fast food, I do get cravings every 
> few years.  Drive through and grab a “meal”, consume it, then spend the next 
> day or so recalling why I do not consort with fast food.  That sort of hotdog 
> belch, nasty taste in the mouth, ball of tape worms wrestling, water closet 
> tempest events.  So very off putting, that it keeps my custom from those 
> shops, until memory fades again.
>
>
> clay 
>
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

We probably eat out once or twice a week depending on schedule. When I 
am traveling I will eat out every day of the week.


On 12/17/2020 6:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  One good thing about COVID is that our dining out budget has shrunk dramatically. We've 
always cooked but from March until May we "ate out" about once a month and that 
was going to my friend Jon's food truck for the best BBQ around.
These days we eat out once or twice a week, usually Sunday breakfast. I get 
blueberry pancakes and bacon, eat a third and bring the rest home for breakfast 
Monday and Tuesday...
-Curt

 On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 7:41:32 PM EST, Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  Since I know how to cook and remain poor (in my mind, at least), I do not regularly partake of commercial food purveyors.  I have noted that portion sizes have become Brobdingnagian recently.  I made three meals out of the trip to a sit down place in 2019.  As for fast food, I do get cravings every few years.  Drive through and grab a “meal”, consume it, then spend the next day or so recalling why I do not consort with fast food.  That sort of hotdog belch, nasty taste in the mouth, ball of tape worms wrestling, water closet tempest events.  So very off putting, that it keeps my custom from those shops, until memory fades again.



clay

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.




On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

Andrew inquires:


Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant?


Starvation perhaps. It seems that in recent years the art of home cooking has 
become a lost art.


Rick

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Just got the call, we'll be out grooming tomorrow night. I got the ASV started 
yesterday but it needed 3 hours of heat first. I think it might have some 
gelled fuel. I put some goop in it and let it run for an hour. I'll plug it in 
tomorrow after lunch. It should be fine by 6...
Curt

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  On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   We got a dusting here over the 
weekend.  Futher south got a few inches.

On 12/17/2020 3:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff, easy to 
> move.
> Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at a thrift store, she's 
> loving tromping around in this stuff. There is something so much more 
> satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the modern aluminum and plastic ones.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can?t handle it then hit delete

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I still am not sure what exactly a hanging chad is.

On 12/17/2020 12:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Roger, don’t put words in my mouth, we both know that’s not what I said. Rather 
than obfuscate try dropping the sarcasm and accept that I gave examples based 
on my experience working the polls in several states for a significant amount 
of time. I didn’t claim my experience to be exhaustive, I merely drew upon many 
decades of direct experience. In how many elections have you been a poll worker?

And I don’t trust computers - I verify. That’s why there are paper copies. I’ve 
been around since computers have been in general use as well, even at the 
polls. For what it’s worth, I worked the 2000 election in Florida, complete 
with “hanging chads”, too.

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
wrote:

Dan,
I feel much better now knowing that you speak for all voting in the entire USA...NOT.  
Thumb drives floated around in Fulton County where the votes changed by several hundred 
thousand.  Observers were obstructed.  Votes were counted after observers were sent home 
under the guise of a water main break which was really a bathroom leak early in the day.  
Then votes were counted after the observers left.  Even CNN in their live feed showed 
massive vote swings in PA as well.  Did you EVER see vote counts go down?  I haven't.  
I'm glad you trust computers, but having been around them since they were first put into 
general use, I know the old adage "garbage in garbage out" still applies.
Regards,
Roger

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Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Stupid money 300TD -- 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300 turbo diesel, $5, 000

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Yes, stupid money but seems they are all going for stupid money these days.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

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We got a dusting here over the weekend.  Futher south got a few inches.

On 12/17/2020 3:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff, easy to 
move.
Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at a thrift store, she's 
loving tromping around in this stuff. There is something so much more 
satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the modern aluminum and plastic ones.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Interesting Satellite Tech

[OK Don via Mercedes]

So much for privacy - but I suspect that a metal roof will reflect the
9.65GHz beam without showing what's under it, but I could be wrong.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 5:06 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> https://futurism.com/new-satellite-buildings-day-night
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Curt.
Lynn had about a foot.
Had trouble with Snow Blower, Shite fuel.
Time for tea and tiffin.
Fred

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 5:57 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Had maybe an inch yesterday; patchy remains today.
>
> Allan
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff,
> > easy to move.  Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at
> > a thrift store, she's loving tromping around in this stuff. There is
> > something so much more satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the
> > modern aluminum and plastic ones.  -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Interesting Satellite Tech

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Looks like it’s time to put up a Faraday shield over the immense manse. Maybe 
one with a reflective message on it in letters 1m high 

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just watched Man Lab season 3, episode 1. Sort of quirky, but engaging. The 
pizza oven build wasn’t that great, but calling the national steeplechase was 
pretty interesting. The wine tasting segment sort of reminds me of the series 
that had the two guys who sent the doofus buddy out in the world to do stupid 
stuff.

Unlike much of what I have watched lately, I don’t feel like I want my time 
back after it was over, so that’s a good thing.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Very enjoyable.  He has a baking series also.
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> "Man Lab" is another good James May show, its available on Amazon prime 
>> video. Its not "Wuthering Heights" but a fun, light little show.
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Very enjoyable.  He has a baking series also.

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "Man Lab" is another good James May show, its available on Amazon prime 
> video. Its not "Wuthering Heights" but a fun, light little show.
> -Curt


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[MBZ] engine swap survey

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ok I have the following conveyances:

1. 1994 e420 90k miles looks new from 20 feet, 2.82 rear

2. Murdered out matte black om606 87 wagon in suspended animation while I
make hard lines for the turbos and develop a data collection regime for
temps and pressures, 1995 interior, new dash, new suspension sls and
sportline suspension on all 4 corners, 722.3

3. 1985 wagon, stock, mostly everything new but thinking of rebuilding
injection pump due to lope at idle

4. Euro (no sunroof-huurah!) 1983 wagon, smashed in L rear quarter by
delivery truck, fighting with insurance who will likely total it. It has an
om648 with stock ecu and 722.6 with controller. Just a treat to drive but
probably too far gone to rebuild.

Somehow I need to make these into two cars. I am thinking sell the 85 as it
is nice, keep the e420 and the 87 wagon as they both have new suspensions
etc. Take the insurance check for the 83, buy it as salvage and take the
motor and transmission out for later use.

Question is what to do with the om648. It is such a nice motor and factory
tune. Maybe better than the 606, which smokes, is loud and has the crappy
old tranny anyway. Maybe swap the 648 into the 87 wagon and sell the 606?
But then there is the AC problem - need to find a clutched version of the
nippondenso to match the old style AC setup in the 87 124. Coukd find
another 12e wagon chassis and do a direct swap, but most of them are
totally knackered and need everything done that I already did to the 85.

What do you guys think? We use wagons a lot due to Yoda the Komondor, but
one is probably enough.


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 4:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Oh boy
>
> On 12/17/2020 2:57 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> > Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> weeks straight?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think this is the one I'll get - always wanted to know how much power was
being used where 0 and they took all the work out of figuring it out.
https://iotawatt.com/index.html


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:25 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> > Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter?
>
> You need an integrating wattmeter.  Basically a whole-house Kill-A-Watt
> type device.  It could clamp onto the feed wires for current, and tap them
> directly in the breaker box for voltage.  Then it integrates the
> instantaneous
> product of current and voltage over a lengthy time, which accounts for both
> the power factor as well as normal load variation.
>
> It's not an inherently complex device, witness the Kill-A-Watt, but
> getting one that's
> intended to do the job you need...  Well, I thought you used to be able to
> buy them.
>
> You need to check for the unexpected, too.  I used to live next door to a
> guy
> who wondered why his apt. power bill was so much larger than mine, yet
> when we
> compared use patterns there shouldn't have been much, if any difference.
> Turns
> out the apartment complex's exterior lighting was tapped off of his
> meter.  Once that
> was known he got a rent break from management.  I wonder if the current
> occupants
> know this?
>
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its funny because smart meters were supposed to solve every problem with 
electricity, save big money, prevent brownouts but it sure doesn't seem to have 
worked. We still have a dumb meter and I'd like to keep it.
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 7:44:50 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Claremore, OK has a HUGE problem with electric going on the last several 
years, has been quite a deal which they deny there is any problem.  
There are people who have small little 1000sqft houses that hardly run 
anything electric with $800 a month electric bills, this is after they 
went to smart meters.

On 12/17/2020 3:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Central Maine Power recently had to admit they were "probably" massively 
>overcharging a bunch of customers. I don't know what has become of it, if 
>anything but IIRC one of the reports was a snowbird home that got charged tens 
>of thousands for power at a house that was shut...
>
> -Curt
>
>      On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:10:00 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via 
>Mercedes  wrote:
>  
>  Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
>
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 One good thing about COVID is that our dining out budget has shrunk 
dramatically. We've always cooked but from March until May we "ate out" about 
once a month and that was going to my friend Jon's food truck for the best BBQ 
around.
These days we eat out once or twice a week, usually Sunday breakfast. I get 
blueberry pancakes and bacon, eat a third and bring the rest home for breakfast 
Monday and Tuesday...
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 7:41:32 PM EST, Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Since I know how to cook and remain poor (in my mind, at least), I do not 
regularly partake of commercial food purveyors.  I have noted that portion 
sizes have become Brobdingnagian recently.  I made three meals out of the trip 
to a sit down place in 2019.  As for fast food, I do get cravings every few 
years.  Drive through and grab a “meal”, consume it, then spend the next day or 
so recalling why I do not consort with fast food.  That sort of hotdog belch, 
nasty taste in the mouth, ball of tape worms wrestling, water closet tempest 
events.  So very off putting, that it keeps my custom from those shops, until 
memory fades again.


clay 

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew inquires:
> 
>> Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant?
> 
> 
> Starvation perhaps. It seems that in recent years the art of home cooking has 
> become a lost art.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Even if attention is paid, sometimes the medico fails to explain just what is 
going on.  

Dad had multiple visits to the poop scope folks, history of cancers, and all he 
knew was that there was a benign adenoma in his duodena.  Procto-idiot just 
shared that, and let it fester.  For years.  Even gave him more colonoscopy.  
Then, Dad feels horrid and thinks it is the Warfarin he is taking for clots 
that has made his tummy unhappy.  Lots of vomit and weight loss, he gets an 
ambulance ride and finds out he had stage four gut rot.  Died six months later. 
 He would have been 93 this weekend.



Clay


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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Colonoscopy cures colon cancer, since it's almost aways very slow growing.  I 
> had two pre-cancerous polyps removed during my first one -- had I not had it, 
> in ten or fifteen years I would likely have gotten serious colon cancer.  
> Removal of the pre-cancerous polyps removes the origin of eventual cancer -- 
> cheap cure.
> 
> Until a tumor is large enough to affect the water balance in the colon (they 
> tend to leak) or obstructs the bowel, there are usually no symptoms, and by 
> the time symptoms appear, it's inoperable.  Killed a good friend on mine in 
> Canada in 1994.  No colonoscopy in those days, and certainly not for someone 
> 35 years old with no family history.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Drat!

Same sort of thing at my home.   I get bills bi-monthly for water/garbage.  
Last time I used water was 12/27/2019 in SEA.  Got the bill for September and 
it shows massive water usage and $180 bill.  Had my neighbor take a walk 
through to see if he found flowing water or anything out of the ordinary.  He 
reports nothing obvious.  Last time I had water usage like that, it was a VERY 
dry summer and I watered the garden, had kids taking showers galore, washing 
four cars, and being teens, having to do loads of wash.  Gave the municipality 
a call and they claim stupidity, but will hold it in abeyance until the next 
reading.  Most recent bill showed even more usage, to the point I am thinking 
the line from the meter to the home has failed and is washing away the 
foundations.  Neighbor once more finds nothing, but does note that there is 
half consumed food and soda in the kitchen, which he had not noticed on his 
many previous visits to raid my tool cupboard.  

SQUATTERS!?

He does another walk through a few days later and still finds no obvious water 
consumers running wild.  Figure it was time to get a real plumber in to see 
about that main line.  They show up yesterday and wander the home.  Turns out 
it was a busted valve on the master throne, as well as worn flapper and float 
causing chronic, but inaudible, consumption.  Total cost = $1k in repair and 
billing.  And I am still not able to get out of GWN and home until summer.

clay 

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yep.  The water company called this morning saying they were out reading 
> meters and noticed we must have a huge leak or something because there was 
> 90k usage this past month.  The renter has been out of town since the 5th for 
> training and we figure the moron must have turned the heat off and caused the 
> pipes to freeze.  I get there expecting to open the front door and all the 
> furniture comes rushing out with flood waters.  Do not see anything wrong so 
> I turn water back on.  One of the toilets is running.  Apparently the handle 
> somehow stuck up and did not close the flapper.  Its as been running full 
> blast since then.  I flushed it 10 times and it never stuck so it was just a 
> fluke.  Just one of those things that happens sometimes.  Anyway, yes the 
> bill is their problem and the bill is almost $700.  I would not be surprised 
> if the septic tank will now need to be pumped.



Clay


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Claremore, OK has a HUGE problem with electric going on the last several 
years, has been quite a deal which they deny there is any problem.  
There are people who have small little 1000sqft houses that hardly run 
anything electric with $800 a month electric bills, this is after they 
went to smart meters.


On 12/17/2020 3:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Central Maine Power recently had to admit they were "probably" massively 
overcharging a bunch of customers. I don't know what has become of it, if anything but 
IIRC one of the reports was a snowbird home that got charged tens of thousands for power 
at a house that was shut...

-Curt

 On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:10:00 PM EST, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you

clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
awhile.

I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
because of a running toilet in a rental property.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2

weeks straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-12-17 18:24, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I would not be surprised if the septic tank will now need to be pumped.


It probably has less shit in it than you've ever seen before.
Might be pure water after a flushing like that.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Since I know how to cook and remain poor (in my mind, at least), I do not 
regularly partake of commercial food purveyors.  I have noted that portion 
sizes have become Brobdingnagian recently.  I made three meals out of the trip 
to a sit down place in 2019.  As for fast food, I do get cravings every few 
years.  Drive through and grab a “meal”, consume it, then spend the next day or 
so recalling why I do not consort with fast food.  That sort of hotdog belch, 
nasty taste in the mouth, ball of tape worms wrestling, water closet tempest 
events.  So very off putting, that it keeps my custom from those shops, until 
memory fades again.


clay 

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew inquires:
> 
>> Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant?
> 
> 
> Starvation perhaps. It seems that in recent years the art of home cooking has 
> become a lost art.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh the contract is pretty air tight in these matters, so yes, he is 
fully on the hook .


On 12/17/2020 3:17 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
That's the complete toll for water use though right? I have doubts 
about running that much water through a toilet at all in 2 weeks...


I can't imagine putting up with a toilet running for 2 weeks straight, 
it'd drive me insane.


There ought to be a clause in the rental agreement about not reporting 
faults to the landlord and holding tenants liable. Probably illegal 
though, imagine holding somebody responsible for their actions, or 
inactions for that matter.


-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:26:30 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:



Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>
> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We got about five inches over two days - it started melting today
(dangerous to walk under the eves) ...

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 5:56 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> We got about 6"- first wet then rain and then dry and blowing snow. Down in
> mid 20's now.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 5:41 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>
> > Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff, easy
> > to move.
> > Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at a thrift store,
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> more
> > satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the modern aluminum and plastic
> ones.
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I am not sure where the hell it all went.  The septic tank is either 500 
gal or 1k, can't remember which.  I would have expected the yard to be 
flooded in the drain field but it didn't seem to be.


On 12/17/2020 3:04 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote:

WOW! 90K gallons would be enough to fill our pool just over four times! That is 
insane!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 12 Passenger 144WB 1850 miles, Low Mileage Lutgart
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2

weeks straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh boy

On 12/17/2020 2:57 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year because 
of a running toilet in a rental property.

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
straight?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Colonoscopy cures colon cancer, since it's almost aways very slow growing.  I 
had two pre-cancerous polyps removed during my first one -- had I not had it, 
in ten or fifteen years I would likely have gotten serious colon cancer.  
Removal of the pre-cancerous polyps removes the origin of eventual cancer -- 
cheap cure.

Until a tumor is large enough to affect the water balance in the colon (they 
tend to leak) or obstructs the bowel, there are usually no symptoms, and by the 
time symptoms appear, it's inoperable.  Killed a good friend on mine in Canada 
in 1994.  No colonoscopy in those days, and certainly not for someone 35 years 
old with no family history.



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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep.  The water company called this morning saying they were out reading 
meters and noticed we must have a huge leak or something because there 
was 90k usage this past month.  The renter has been out of town since 
the 5th for training and we figure the moron must have turned the heat 
off and caused the pipes to freeze.  I get there expecting to open the 
front door and all the furniture comes rushing out with flood waters.  
Do not see anything wrong so I turn water back on.  One of the toilets 
is running.  Apparently the handle somehow stuck up and did not close 
the flapper.  Its as been running full blast since then.  I flushed it 
10 times and it never stuck so it was just a fluke.  Just one of those 
things that happens sometimes.  Anyway, yes the bill is their problem 
and the bill is almost $700.  I would not be surprised if the septic 
tank will now need to be pumped.


On 12/17/2020 1:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

You have a tenant now? Isn't the water bill their problem? Especially if
they allowed the toilet to run for 2 weeks without telling you? Or is
water included in their rent?

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


Yep

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On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Let me guess - more fun with the rental?

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
straight?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Many variables but 2 GPM should be ballpark, so about 40,000 gal.   Or enough 
to fill a 40 ft by 200 dt swimming pool 7 ft deep.  Obviously this is not a 
septic tank situation.

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Yep

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> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
>> straight?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is probably a good idea.

On 12/17/2020 11:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would suggest not. Just do what I do and avoid the fries and get apple slices 
instead.

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:


The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in
outcomes that other sectors would regard as statistical noise. The
reduction in deaths due to colonoscopies for example - talk about a
solution looking for a problem (at what cost to the consumers?) ...

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
impunity?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The whole debacle that was the crusade to get McDonald's to switch from
beef tallow to vegetable oil was led by a wealthy activist named Phil
Sokolof who had no qualifications or training in medicine or
nutrition. He had survived a heart attack and became convinced that
cholesterol was a great evil that needed to be removed from the food
chain. He started running full-page ads in major markets attacking
McDonald's and their french fries.

In what has to be one of the greatest ironies/tragedies in the history
of pop nutrition, McDonalds eventually caved, and started using a blend
of hydrogenated vegetable oils to cook the fries. You may remember that
the tables and door handles at McDonald's all started to become

"sticky"

around that time, because the hydrogenated fry oil particles in the air
become a sort of a tacky plastic when they settle on surfaces and
oxidize. Imagine that circulating in your arteries.

The french fries became cholesterol-free but they were now loaded with
trans-fats. And the public was convinced that they were now *healthier*
fries, so they ate more of them and that's also right around the time
that the huge "super size" portions started.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


My doctor buddy the other day was telling me about some study that
when people where fed French fries cooked in beef tallow they ate way
less than fries cooked in veg oil. Something about the body telling
you that you are full on the beef but it takes much longer to get the
response from the veg oil.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No, probably not.

On 12/17/2020 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:


The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in
outcomes that other sectors would regard as statistical noise. The
reduction in deaths due to colonoscopies for example - talk about a
solution looking for a problem (at what cost to the consumers?) ...

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
impunity?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The whole debacle that was the crusade to get McDonald's to switch from
beef tallow to vegetable oil was led by a wealthy activist named Phil
Sokolof who had no qualifications or training in medicine or
nutrition. He had survived a heart attack and became convinced that
cholesterol was a great evil that needed to be removed from the food
chain. He started running full-page ads in major markets attacking
McDonald's and their french fries.

In what has to be one of the greatest ironies/tragedies in the history
of pop nutrition, McDonalds eventually caved, and started using a blend
of hydrogenated vegetable oils to cook the fries. You may remember that
the tables and door handles at McDonald's all started to become

"sticky"

around that time, because the hydrogenated fry oil particles in the air
become a sort of a tacky plastic when they settle on surfaces and
oxidize. Imagine that circulating in your arteries.

The french fries became cholesterol-free but they were now loaded with
trans-fats. And the public was convinced that they were now *healthier*
fries, so they ate more of them and that's also right around the time
that the huge "super size" portions started.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


My doctor buddy the other day was telling me about some study that
when people where fed French fries cooked in beef tallow they ate way
less than fries cooked in veg oil. Something about the body telling
you that you are full on the beef but it takes much longer to get the
response from the veg oil.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Last time I was at the doctor he was saying something about they have 
started to change their opinions on these as well as prostate exams.   
Something about not worrying about doing it till a later age.   I could 
be remembering it wrong.


On 12/17/2020 11:10 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in
outcomes that other sectors would regard as statistical noise. The
reduction in deaths due to colonoscopies for example - talk about a
solution looking for a problem (at what cost to the consumers?) ...

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
impunity?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The whole debacle that was the crusade to get McDonald's to switch from
beef tallow to vegetable oil was led by a wealthy activist named Phil
Sokolof who had no qualifications or training in medicine or
nutrition. He had survived a heart attack and became convinced that
cholesterol was a great evil that needed to be removed from the food
chain. He started running full-page ads in major markets attacking
McDonald's and their french fries.

In what has to be one of the greatest ironies/tragedies in the history
of pop nutrition, McDonalds eventually caved, and started using a blend
of hydrogenated vegetable oils to cook the fries. You may remember that
the tables and door handles at McDonald's all started to become "sticky"
around that time, because the hydrogenated fry oil particles in the air
become a sort of a tacky plastic when they settle on surfaces and
oxidize. Imagine that circulating in your arteries.

The french fries became cholesterol-free but they were now loaded with
trans-fats. And the public was convinced that they were now *healthier*
fries, so they ate more of them and that's also right around the time
that the huge "super size" portions started.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


My doctor buddy the other day was telling me about some study that
when people where fed French fries cooked in beef tallow they ate way
less than fries cooked in veg oil. Something about the body telling
you that you are full on the beef but it takes much longer to get the
response from the veg oil.

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Re: [MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can’t handle it then hit delete

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I find it funny that these are called Dominion.  It so happens my former 
company was Dominion (not related that I know of) and we were notorious 
for launching software that did not work and took years to finally get 
it to working, by which time our competitors had already come out with 
the next best thing.


On 12/17/2020 10:48 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
Are you saying your experience has been with Dominion Systems voting 
machines?


LarryT

On 12/17/2020 8:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
It’s not. I’ve worked the elections both here and in two other states 
I’ve lived in for over 40 years. I’ve worked elections since I was 16 
years old and the days of the voting machines with the curtains and 
little levers. My father was a precinct committeeman and working 
elections was expected of all of us kids, and most of us have 
continued that effort since.


The “check in” station you mention is connected to a secure network 
that is used to access the voter rolls. It’s not on the “Internet”, 
it’s an end to end, encrypted, tunneled connection to the SOE which 
can be a hard wired or wifi connection. This is common practice and 
is configured and set up well in advance to maintain the security of 
that data. One of my teams is charged with testing and verification 
of these connections prior to the elections. The ballot printers are 
a part of this system.


The scanners are purely stand-alone devices and have no connectivity.

Counts are typically moved from the scanners to the polling system 
via secure memory cards that are encrypted. Some scanners also have 
the capability of printing out results on a paper tape, like an 
adding machine. The numbers, after being reconciled, are either 
transmitted to the supervisor of elections’ via the local client at 
the polling place or the data can be hand carried (in a secure, chain 
of custody strongbox) back to the SOE (which is how they get back 
there anyway, along with the paper ballots.)


Anyone who has worked the polls has been exposed to these processes 
and procedures used to guarantee the integrity of the elections. It’s 
certainly different from one state or municipality to the other, but 
the general approach is the same. It’s highly controlled and closely 
audited. Again, it’s not perfect, but the claims of widespread, 
massive voter fraud are gross misstatements.


-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Dan, I'm afraid your experience is limited.  Here in SC, the voting
machines were connected to the internet.  Drove me nuts.  I'm quite 
sure
the same could be true in other states, that certainly has been 
reported in

the press, and the "glitches" that always seemed to switch votes in one
direction (from Trump to Biden) point to the need for a thorough 
forensic

audit so we can be sure the right candidate really won.

Our system is similar to what many of you described: one machine 
where you
'vote' which creates a paper ballot, and then the voter takes their 
ballot
(which they can review to make sure it is correct) and feeds it into 
the

scanner, which counts the vote.  Locally, at each polling place, the
scanner totals are printed out after the last vote, and the total 
number of
votes cast is compared to the number of voters who came into the 
polling
place.  If those two numbers don't match, then they have to try to 
resolve
that at the polling place, with the poll watchers from each party 
present

(if they bothered to show up, a great many of our polling places had no
poll watchers - not enough volunteers).  Once the count is resolved, 
then
the electronic votes and the paper ballots are taken to the county 
election

headquarters and reported out.

The first station at the polling place was voter check-in to make 
sure the
voter was registered / at the right polling place, and they (the 
laptops)

were connected to a local WiFi hot-spot that was part of the system, so
they could communicate / get updates back to the county HQ voter 
database.
I'm not sure if the ballot printer and ballot scanner were also 
connected,

but once the count was resolved, it was loaded back onto that laptop
somehow (I'm pretty sure via the local WiFi hotspot) and that laptop 
was

the way the electronic count was returned to county election HQ.

Here in Charleston, we had a lot of folks examining the totals and
comparing them to historical patterns, and although the results were
disappointing in some cases and pleasing in others, nothing was 
observed to

raise alarms in the result.

What was troubling to me was that we had three known instances of clear
violations of voting law at the polling places, where one party 
tried to
influence voters or intimidate poll watchers and so favor one party 
over
the other.  This pattern has been repeated locally for years; one 
side is
convinced that breaking the law and bending the rules in their favor 
is OK,
and at every election we have to be ready to try to counter this 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

We got about 6"- first wet then rain and then dry and blowing snow. Down in
mid 20's now.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff, easy
> to move.
> Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at a thrift store,
> she's loving tromping around in this stuff. There is something so much more
> satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the modern aluminum and plastic ones.
> -Curt
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[MBZ] water leaking

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://www.watercop.com/product/watercop-classic/

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Fresh baked bread and bacon drippings

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> I remember hearing an interview with a foodie one time who mentioned being at 
> some fancy food to-do where they were serving lard on toast. He was disgusted 
> by the idea until his buddy said "Why? Its basically the same as butter." 
> Which it kind of is...
> -Curt


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[MBZ] R350 need motor only --transplant candidate?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Not that I would want to do it on a ratty R but I'm wondering how hard 
swapping in a 500 would be on a dead 350 car, R, E, whatever, the ones 
with the kakked engines.  I have seen some nice cars with bad engines.  
I would think it would be mostly plug and play, I wonder if engine 
mounts are the same or easy enough to do an adjustment. I have this E500 
that could be a good engine donor.


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/385296969431117


2007 Mercedes-Benz R-Class R 350 Sport Wagon 4D
$1,950
Vehicles 
Dealership·Listed2 days agoinAtlanta, GA 


Message


   About This Vehicle

Driven 195,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Blue·Interior color: Tan
Fuel type:Gasoline
15.0 MPG city · 20.0 MPG highway · 16.0 MPG combined


   Seller's description

Mechanic special Need motor only

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[MBZ] slammed CL600 2002 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class,$3,573

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Suspension collapsed.  HOW BAD COULD IT BE  at $2500 it could be 
worth a try


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Parameter    Value
Ident. number (FIN)    WDB2153781A025454
VIN    WDBPJ78J12A025454
Baumuster    215378
Sales name    CL 600
Permanent link 
https://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes/vin_check?su=szlrpy5hs9g8

Order number    0 2 706 51745 (Destination: Puerto Rico)
Delivery date    17 01 2002
PAINT1    744U BRILLIANT SILVER METALLIC
Interior color    511A LEATHER EXCLUSIVE, BLACK/ANTHRACITE
Engine    137970 40 016786
Gearbox    722628 03 403107

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[MBZ] OT: Interesting Satellite Tech

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://futurism.com/new-satellite-buildings-day-night


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Stupid money 300TD -- 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300 turbo diesel, $5, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I noticed the squat, maybe it is from Carolinas

--FT

On 12/17/20 5:26 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Low in the rear and different plates front and rear.
IMO
Fred

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/212806447085488/?ref=search_code=undefined

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Re: [MBZ] Stupid money 300TD -- 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300 turbo diesel, $5, 000

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Is the hood bent?

RB

On 17/12/2020 4:26 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Low in the rear and different plates front and rear.
IMO
Fred

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/212806447085488/?ref=search_code=undefined

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Weather

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Had maybe an inch yesterday; patchy remains today.

Allan

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff,
> easy to move.  Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at
> a thrift store, she's loving tromping around in this stuff. There is
> something so much more satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the
> modern aluminum and plastic ones.  -Curt

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[MBZ] 1926 Mercedes-Benz 190 E,$2,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

WHAT IS THIS THING


   Seller's description

Kit car has a v6 4.3 needs to be finished have all the parts

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Having been the beneficiary of some of those young ladies (meal-wise, 
not the other way...) I can say that the ride was good while it lasted, 
but the rules changed and that put an end to a lot of the freebies.


Once when the former missus was an oncology fellow at MDAnderson, about 
this time of year a drug rep took 6 or 8 fellows and spouses out for an 
evening at a very nice restaurant in Houston (one that I had been kicked 
out of a coupla years before, but that is a different story...) and I 
happened to sit next to her at the big table.  The waitron brought 
around the wine list, which was very large, and she says "I don't know 
anything about wine, here you take it" and gives it to me.  I figured 3 
bottles would be good to start, so I asked her what her rules were and 
she says "it is the end of the year and I have a lot of my budget left 
so have fun." I ask her, "How much fun?" and she says "As much as you 
want." um, OK...  so I order 3 bottles that were like $150 each, some 
wines I had heard about and one that I had at the same place at a 
business dinner (Enron, my boss bought it) a little while before. So 
those go down pretty fast among that crowd, it's time to order more, so 
I ask her if I should, she says "I didn't really like those why don't 
you order something better."  Uh, OK... so I did. I think we did another 
round too, maybe like dessert wines or something, bubbly, I don't 
remember.  We ate very well too.  I think the bill came to $2-3k that 
evening, she didn't even look twice at it and handed her card over.


Ah for the good old days

PS she was quite a looker too, and a LOT of fun...

--FT

On 12/17/20 4:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

One of those drug company salespeople used to be married to my neighbor across 
the street. I always enjoyed watching her come out to her car every weekday 
morning in her short dress and F-me pumps on her way out to make calls.

-D


On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

One reason I dislike my cardiologist is that he says things like "Everybody should 
be on a statin" but can point to zero statistical evidence to back up his claim. I 
think a lot of doctors prescribe them because the drug companies tell them how important 
it is at their weekly lunch...
I'm not saying doctors are bought by drug companies but when Angie rented space 
from a doctor I got to eat an awful lot of drug company food.

-Curt



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[MBZ] water leak detectors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=water+leak+detector+and+shutoff=nb_sb_noss_2


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Re: [MBZ] Stupid money 300TD -- 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300 turbo diesel, $5, 000

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Low in the rear and different plates front and rear.
IMO
Fred

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Would like to get one for the water line while I am at it.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 2:14 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> True but at least I can cross check the total Kwh.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:21 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Karl, do you have a 'smart' meter?  Those basically allow the power
>> company
>> to charge you a different rate for electricity used at different times of
>> the day.  If your state utility / laws / regulations allow it, the power
>> company can charge you in ways that will be impossible to figure out if
>> they're fair and legal or not.
>>
>> Dr. Bill Wattenburg used to have a radio talk show (maybe he still does?)
>> and he detailed the problems with CA utilities back in the Enron days, I'm
>> repeating what he talked about.  He also went into a lengthy diatribe of
>> how the power companies will increase your line voltage above 115 volts,
>> sometimes as high as 125 volts, so you use more power and they can charge
>> you more money.  He did a major study when brownouts where plaguing CA 15
>> years ago or so, and his study indicated that the brownouts could easily
>> end if the power companies reduced the line voltage so that your house saw
>> 110 volts, with no damage or noticeable difference in how your appliances
>> etc. operated.  No harm to households, just less power overall used, but
>> the power companies refused to do that because they made more money with
>> higher line voltages and the politicians refused to force a change because
>> they benefit from the crisis, even if it is a manufactured crisis.  Sound
>> familiar?
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device
>> you
>> > clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
>> > awhile.
>> >
>> > I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> > > because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > >
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[MBZ] 1970 Mercedes-Benz 250c,$1,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Hasn't been drove in a while. Looks to be all there, more or less. Cool car

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/836396720514503/?ref=search_code=undefined 



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[MBZ] 1988 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 500 SEC Coupe 2D, $1,850

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Actually a 560.  This could be a very good deal

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Answer: enough water to cause the immediate sale of the toilet and the
house that holds it.
-
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> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks
> straight?
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[MBZ] OT: Weather

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Anybody else get snow? We got more than a foot. Light powdery stuff, easy to 
move.
Angie got some wooden snowshoes a couple months ago at a thrift store, she's 
loving tromping around in this stuff. There is something so much more 
satisfying about wooden snowshoes than the modern aluminum and plastic ones.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes. Validate the meter reading. I dont trust these new digital meters.
Something funny going on as we are paying about double what we paid about 3
years ago.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> What do you mean by “cross check”? Are you just wanting to compare your
> readings with the power company’s?
>
> “Sense” is probably the latest and the best from a consumer standpoint if
> you want accuracy and lots of features.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/yajpxty4 
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device
> you
> > clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> > awhile.
> >
> > I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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> >
> >> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> >> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >> weeks straight?
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You can get devices that will detect and stop this.

For example 
https://www.homedepot.com/p/MOEN-Flo-by-Moen-0-75-in-Water-Leak-Detector-with-Automatic-Water-Shut-Off-Valve-900-001/309096191

Allan


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> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year 
> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2 weeks 
>> straight?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Where do you live?  Where are your properties?  I used to live up there, 
first house was a triple dekka in Dawchestah, I didn't have too many 
problems with tenants except when a coupla girls moved out and left an 
old VW wagon in the driveway which then did not allow me to use the 
driveway.  That resolved after a month or so, somehow, they came and got 
the thing.


--FT

On 12/17/20 4:53 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

In this retarded liberal state of MA, landlords have no rights. I just shoveled 
a bunch of sidewalks and walkways today because MA state law prohibits the 
landlord from forcing the tenant to do it so they don’t.


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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

True but at least I can cross check the total Kwh.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:21 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Karl, do you have a 'smart' meter?  Those basically allow the power company
> to charge you a different rate for electricity used at different times of
> the day.  If your state utility / laws / regulations allow it, the power
> company can charge you in ways that will be impossible to figure out if
> they're fair and legal or not.
>
> Dr. Bill Wattenburg used to have a radio talk show (maybe he still does?)
> and he detailed the problems with CA utilities back in the Enron days, I'm
> repeating what he talked about.  He also went into a lengthy diatribe of
> how the power companies will increase your line voltage above 115 volts,
> sometimes as high as 125 volts, so you use more power and they can charge
> you more money.  He did a major study when brownouts where plaguing CA 15
> years ago or so, and his study indicated that the brownouts could easily
> end if the power companies reduced the line voltage so that your house saw
> 110 volts, with no damage or noticeable difference in how your appliances
> etc. operated.  No harm to households, just less power overall used, but
> the power companies refused to do that because they made more money with
> higher line voltages and the politicians refused to force a change because
> they benefit from the crisis, even if it is a manufactured crisis.  Sound
> familiar?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> > Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device
> you
> > clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> > awhile.
> >
> > I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> > > because of a running toilet in a rental property.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> > > weeks straight?
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Re: [MBZ] wow Mercedes 450SE,$9,800

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Unusual color combination. Needs more pictures. Nice looking car.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> This is gorgeous, looks brand new
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/208022420820641
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[MBZ] wow Mercedes 450SE,$9,800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is gorgeous, looks brand new

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[MBZ] OT - Wright Brothers Day

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The Greatest Photograph of All Time?
The photograph above was taken by John Thomas Daniels, a member of the U.S.
Life-Saving Station in Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina. He recorded the
first powered flight in history, on December 17, 1903.

Daniels had never seen a camera before, and later said that he was so
excited by seeing the *Flyer* rising that he nearly forgot Orville Wright's
instructions to squeeze the bulb triggering the shutter.

Thankfully he remembered, and took one of the greatest photographs in
history, capturing the exact moment of a truly world-changing event.
*Happy Wright Brothers Day *
Today we commemorate the first successful flights in a heavier-than-air,
mechanically propelled airplane, that were made by Orville and Wilbur
Wright on December 17, 1903, at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

Since 1959, as declared by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, December 17
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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Can you legally evict the tenants?  Or would you have to buy them out?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:25 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Yeah, interest rates are dead low, people are spending stupid money for
> houses, now is a great time to unload it.
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/17/20 2:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > You are into some serious self abuse, buddy. Take Rick’s advice, cut and
> run.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> Yep
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >>>
> >>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
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>  How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> weeks straight?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

In this retarded liberal state of MA, landlords have no rights. I just shoveled 
a bunch of sidewalks and walkways today because MA state law prohibits the 
landlord from forcing the tenant to do it so they don’t.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  That's the complete toll for water use though right? I have doubts about 
> running that much water through a toilet at all in 2 weeks...
> I can't imagine putting up with a toilet running for 2 weeks straight, it'd 
> drive me insane.
> There ought to be a clause in the rental agreement about not reporting faults 
> to the landlord and holding tenants liable. Probably illegal though, imagine 
> holding somebody responsible for their actions, or inactions for that matter.
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:26:30 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>>> weeks straight?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 "Man Lab" is another good James May show, its available on Amazon prime video. 
Its not "Wuthering Heights" but a fun, light little show.
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:46:19 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 “James May is a moron”

I liked that part of the Tesla review.

But yes, I agree, Clarkson can be a d*ck at times. May seems far more likable.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> There is a cooking show that just popped up on Amazon that James May has 
> made, it is quite entertaining.  He sorta bumbles through making dishes and 
> the whole production is not "polished." Clarkson is rather insufferable, May 
> seems like the guy to work on cars with while drinking beer.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/17/20 3:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I like the car full of lawyers.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXvIzWhEWvA
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

One of those drug company salespeople used to be married to my neighbor across 
the street. I always enjoyed watching her come out to her car every weekday 
morning in her short dress and F-me pumps on her way out to make calls.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One reason I dislike my cardiologist is that he says things like "Everybody 
> should be on a statin" but can point to zero statistical evidence to back up 
> his claim. I think a lot of doctors prescribe them because the drug companies 
> tell them how important it is at their weekly lunch...
> I'm not saying doctors are bought by drug companies but when Angie rented 
> space from a doctor I got to eat an awful lot of drug company food.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:11:30 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I don't recall anyone in the family having very high cholesterol, I 
> think my dad might have been high but that was because he was a meat 
> man, although in later days he went with oatmeal for brekkie in an 
> attempt to cut down on the bacon sausage and egg contribution.  In any 
> case mine was just a tad "high" so not a huge concern, but if it can be 
> pushed down I guess that is not unreasonable.  I do not have a great 
> affection for meds though, that is the only other one I take so not like 
> I have a pharmacy in the cabinet.  I guess one's body changes as age 
> progresses, I never had any issues until recently so I guess that is 
> what it is as I have not changed my lifestyle much other than to eat 
> less meat, which should be a positive thing.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/17/20 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> There was a guy I worked with at Kohler some years back who was the textbook 
>> version of a healthy man, exercised regularly, was at or near his proper 
>> weight, BMI was excellent, ate healthy, but he had a history of heart 
>> disease in his family. As a result he was on statins back in the day when 
>> they were pretty new (1990s?) I just recall him telling me what his 
>> cholesterol numbers were, and they were stupid crazy (high). Apparently it 
>> was a genetic thing and there wasn’t a lot he could do about it short of 
>> pharmacological interventions.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went to the doc for a checkup a few months ago, had not been for a coupla 
>>> years I think but needed to re-up a prescription and he wouldn't do it 
>>> until got all the blood work, etc.  So he says my cholesterol is a bit 
>>> high, just sorta over the "normal" level. I don't eat much meat, lots of 
>>> veg and fish mostly, I do indulge in a bit of butter and occasional ice 
>>> cream but not a lot.  So not really an unhealthful diet compared to most 
>>> people I see eating all kinds of crap.  Fairly active physically too, not 
>>> really overweight at all (although that Covid-19 seems to be settling along 
>>> my waist...) He told me not to do what I don't do, so that was not 
>>> particularly helpful.
>>> 
>>> It was kinda curious but maybe it is genetic or something, or age-related 
>>> as I have progressed in that aspect...  Anyway he set me up with some 
>>> statin, kinda the lowest dose, to see if it made any difference.  I have 
>>> not noticed any physical reactions.  Dr. Boy was not particularly concerned 
>>> about it so that is another data point.  I guess next time I go see the doc 
>>> I will get another blood workup and see if it made any difference.
>>> 
>>> I have not changed much in diet or exercise so I guess it will be a 
>>> interesting test to see what effect it has.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
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 My internist wants me to take statins
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

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 "Oh Cook!", referencing his tendency to say "Oh Cock!" when things go 
wrong.We've been watching it, its fun. We're actually going to try making his 
lasagna...
-Curt

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 There is a cooking show that just popped up on Amazon that James May has 
made, it is quite entertaining.  He sorta bumbles through making dishes 
and the whole production is not "polished." Clarkson is rather 
insufferable, May seems like the guy to work on cars with while drinking 
beer.

--FT

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> I like the car full of lawyers.
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

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“James May is a moron”

I liked that part of the Tesla review.

But yes, I agree, Clarkson can be a d*ck at times. May seems far more likable.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> There is a cooking show that just popped up on Amazon that James May has 
> made, it is quite entertaining.  He sorta bumbles through making dishes and 
> the whole production is not "polished." Clarkson is rather insufferable, May 
> seems like the guy to work on cars with while drinking beer.
> 
> --FT
> 
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>> I like the car full of lawyers.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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Central Maine Power is the absolute worst utility company that I’ve ever dealt 
with.

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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> 
>  Central Maine Power recently had to admit they were "probably" massively 
> overcharging a bunch of customers. I don't know what has become of it, if 
> anything but IIRC one of the reports was a snowbird home that got charged 
> tens of thousands for power at a house that was shut...
> 
> -Curt
> 
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> 
> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
> 
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> 
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>> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>> 
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>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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Right after grad school I lived in an apartment that had gas heat and 
stove.  It was on the 3rd floor of a big old house so I did not need a 
lot of heat as the lower floors sorta migrated up to me, and I was not 
around much anyway what with working.  So my bills would maybe be 
$20/month if that in the winter.  One month I get a bill for $13k.  
h.  So I called the gas company, went and read the meter, and she 
says well that is the reading we have too so I'm not sure what 
happened.  A week or two goes by and this woman calls me back, 
apparently for some reason the meter got swapped and no one bothered to 
write down the old meter reading, so I got billed for about a trillion 
ft3 of gas.  She waived that bill and just restarted it from that last 
reading, I got a month of gas free.


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On 12/17/20 4:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

There's also the classic "We replaced your meter with a new one",
but they 'neglected' to reset the base reading, so you get charged
the power difference between the old meter's reading and the new's.

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Re: [MBZ] Jeremy Clarkson test drives a Tesla model X

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There is a cooking show that just popped up on Amazon that James May has 
made, it is quite entertaining.  He sorta bumbles through making dishes 
and the whole production is not "polished." Clarkson is rather 
insufferable, May seems like the guy to work on cars with while drinking 
beer.


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On 12/17/20 3:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I like the car full of lawyers.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

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I do all my own cooking out of preference, although nothing beats eating
out at a nice restaurant.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> And make candles with the leftovers.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
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> >> Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
> >> impunity?
> >
> > Go back?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

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 One reason I dislike my cardiologist is that he says things like "Everybody 
should be on a statin" but can point to zero statistical evidence to back up 
his claim. I think a lot of doctors prescribe them because the drug companies 
tell them how important it is at their weekly lunch...
I'm not saying doctors are bought by drug companies but when Angie rented space 
from a doctor I got to eat an awful lot of drug company food.

-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 4:11:30 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I don't recall anyone in the family having very high cholesterol, I 
think my dad might have been high but that was because he was a meat 
man, although in later days he went with oatmeal for brekkie in an 
attempt to cut down on the bacon sausage and egg contribution.  In any 
case mine was just a tad "high" so not a huge concern, but if it can be 
pushed down I guess that is not unreasonable.  I do not have a great 
affection for meds though, that is the only other one I take so not like 
I have a pharmacy in the cabinet.  I guess one's body changes as age 
progresses, I never had any issues until recently so I guess that is 
what it is as I have not changed my lifestyle much other than to eat 
less meat, which should be a positive thing.

--FT

On 12/17/20 1:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> There was a guy I worked with at Kohler some years back who was the textbook 
> version of a healthy man, exercised regularly, was at or near his proper 
> weight, BMI was excellent, ate healthy, but he had a history of heart disease 
> in his family. As a result he was on statins back in the day when they were 
> pretty new (1990s?) I just recall him telling me what his cholesterol numbers 
> were, and they were stupid crazy (high). Apparently it was a genetic thing 
> and there wasn’t a lot he could do about it short of pharmacological 
> interventions.
>
> -D
>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I went to the doc for a checkup a few months ago, had not been for a coupla 
>> years I think but needed to re-up a prescription and he wouldn't do it until 
>> got all the blood work, etc.  So he says my cholesterol is a bit high, just 
>> sorta over the "normal" level. I don't eat much meat, lots of veg and fish 
>> mostly, I do indulge in a bit of butter and occasional ice cream but not a 
>> lot.  So not really an unhealthful diet compared to most people I see eating 
>> all kinds of crap.  Fairly active physically too, not really overweight at 
>> all (although that Covid-19 seems to be settling along my waist...) He told 
>> me not to do what I don't do, so that was not particularly helpful.
>>
>> It was kinda curious but maybe it is genetic or something, or age-related as 
>> I have progressed in that aspect...  Anyway he set me up with some statin, 
>> kinda the lowest dose, to see if it made any difference.  I have not noticed 
>> any physical reactions.  Dr. Boy was not particularly concerned about it so 
>> that is another data point.  I guess next time I go see the doc I will get 
>> another blood workup and see if it made any difference.
>>
>> I have not changed much in diet or exercise so I guess it will be a 
>> interesting test to see what effect it has.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 12/16/20 12:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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There's also the classic "We replaced your meter with a new one",
but they 'neglected' to reset the base reading, so you get charged
the power difference between the old meter's reading and the new's.

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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 That's the complete toll for water use though right? I have doubts about 
running that much water through a toilet at all in 2 weeks...
I can't imagine putting up with a toilet running for 2 weeks straight, it'd 
drive me insane.
There ought to be a clause in the rental agreement about not reporting faults 
to the landlord and holding tenants liable. Probably illegal though, imagine 
holding somebody responsible for their actions, or inactions for that matter.
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:26:30 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Might have been a little over 2 weeks but the answer is 90k gallons 

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> Figure 5 gallons a minute, 300/hr., 3600/day, x 2 weeks = 50,400.
> 
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>> Let me guess - more fun with the rental?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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>> weeks straight?
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter?

You need an integrating wattmeter.  Basically a whole-house Kill-A-Watt
type device.  It could clamp onto the feed wires for current, and tap them
directly in the breaker box for voltage.  Then it integrates the instantaneous
product of current and voltage over a lengthy time, which accounts for both
the power factor as well as normal load variation.

It's not an inherently complex device, witness the Kill-A-Watt, but getting one 
that's
intended to do the job you need...  Well, I thought you used to be able to buy 
them.

You need to check for the unexpected, too.  I used to live next door to a guy
who wondered why his apt. power bill was so much larger than mine, yet when we
compared use patterns there shouldn't have been much, if any difference.  Turns
out the apartment complex's exterior lighting was tapped off of his meter.  
Once that
was known he got a rent break from management.  I wonder if the current 
occupants
know this?

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

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 Central Maine Power recently had to admit they were "probably" massively 
overcharging a bunch of customers. I don't know what has become of it, if 
anything but IIRC one of the reports was a snowbird home that got charged tens 
of thousands for power at a house that was shut...

-Curt

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 Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
awhile.

I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.

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> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>
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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Karl, do you have a 'smart' meter?  Those basically allow the power company
to charge you a different rate for electricity used at different times of
the day.  If your state utility / laws / regulations allow it, the power
company can charge you in ways that will be impossible to figure out if
they're fair and legal or not.

Dr. Bill Wattenburg used to have a radio talk show (maybe he still does?)
and he detailed the problems with CA utilities back in the Enron days, I'm
repeating what he talked about.  He also went into a lengthy diatribe of
how the power companies will increase your line voltage above 115 volts,
sometimes as high as 125 volts, so you use more power and they can charge
you more money.  He did a major study when brownouts where plaguing CA 15
years ago or so, and his study indicated that the brownouts could easily
end if the power companies reduced the line voltage so that your house saw
110 volts, with no damage or noticeable difference in how your appliances
etc. operated.  No harm to households, just less power overall used, but
the power companies refused to do that because they made more money with
higher line voltages and the politicians refused to force a change because
they benefit from the crisis, even if it is a manufactured crisis.  Sound
familiar?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
>
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
> > because of a running toilet in a rental property.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
> > weeks straight?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I remember hearing an interview with a foodie one time who mentioned being at 
some fancy food to-do where they were serving lard on toast. He was disgusted 
by the idea until his buddy said "Why? Its basically the same as butter." Which 
it kind of is...
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:41:43 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I've never heard of a beef tallow sandwich, but if you enjoy them, knock
yourself out.


Andrew Strasfogel  writes:

> Sure.  Before there were labeling laws...
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:26 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>    Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>    
>    > Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
>    > impunity?
>    
>    Go back?
>    
>    Allan
>    

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Re: [MBZ] A quiz question for you

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What do you mean by “cross check”? Are you just wanting to compare your 
readings with the power company’s?

“Sense” is probably the latest and the best from a consumer standpoint if you 
want accuracy and lots of features.

https://tinyurl.com/yajpxty4 

-D

> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know a good way to cross check a power meter? There was a device you
> clamped to your mains at one point, but havent seen it advertised for
> awhile.
> 
> I just have a feeling power company is overcharging everyone.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:58 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Let’s just say that I got stuck with a $6000 water sewer bill one year
>> because of a running toilet in a rental property.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much water can a toilet use that has been running non stop for 2
>> weeks straight?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Statins

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 LOL.
Do you guys ever watch "Townsends" on YouTube. 18th century cooking in period 
costume, pretty neat...
-Curt

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:26:30 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with
> impunity?

Go back? 

Allan

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