Re: [MBZ] Hookers and blow

[Peter Hertzing via Mercedes]

Favorite Christmas book to be read while listening to John Denver please daddy 
don’t get drunk this Christmas 

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> On Dec 10, 2022, at 10:41 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Taco Tuesday. Y burritos!
> 
> -D
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>> On Dec 10, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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>> Never seen a charred driver's seat before.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 11:33 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>>> Billy NOSE WHAT HE GOTS
>>> 
>>> --FT
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 On Dec 10, 2022, at 12:40 AM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
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 And a manually activated automatic transmision
 
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 8:13 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> And not even a hood stack.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Any of Us Volvo Savvy?

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I have several, currently sorting out an 87 760 sedan.  They are fun, parts are 
cheap, more complicated then an old diesel Benz when something isn’t right, but 
overall fun easy and cheap. 

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> your wellcome
> 
> --FT
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>> On 2/8/22 9:40 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Thank you for the correction of the correction.
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>>> 
>>> "Piqued"
>>> 
>>> A buddy of mine has had a coupla wagons, he bought another one a year or 
>>> two ago that was maybe 90s? or 00s vintage, still a brick. This car had 
>>> actually belonged to a friend of his, she sold it to someone and my buddy 
>>> saw it listed and bought it after it was "gone" for a few years.  They are 
>>> pretty simple actually from what he tells me, I think his main problem was 
>>> chasing some electrical issues due to some hackery from a PO but other than 
>>> that these things are pretty solid and relatively simple.  parts are 
>>> available.  That seems quite high for 36yo car but if it is in decent 
>>> condition then maybe not.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 2/8/22 9:13 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 This peaked the child’s interest.
 I kinda like these bricks.
 Thoughts?
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo

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Should be good then..  I’ve had a couple of those up to 250k...

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> On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> It's the 3.2 l 6 cylinder, FWD.
> 
> Allan
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> Peter Hertzing via Mercedes  writes:
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>> Big question is what engine...  avoid the V8
>> 
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>>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've not priced much in Volvo stuff but I've been around a few Volvo
>>> enthusiasts in my time and not heard anything about parts being hard
>>> to find or expensive. Next you'll tell me TDI parts are hard to find
>>> and over priced.  Non-enthusiasts, generally don't know anything
>>> about cars and have been fed a line by the marketers about how their
>>> cars are super reliable and will last forever so they just don't
>>> bother with any kind of maintenance. Volvo owners are a little worse
>>> than the rest of the crowd.  Of course we all know the real marketing
>>> that Volvo should have stuck to "Boxy but good."
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:51:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing 
>>> anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo

[Peter Hertzing via Mercedes]

Big question is what engine...  avoid the V8

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> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've not priced much in Volvo stuff but I've been around a few Volvo 
> enthusiasts in my time and not heard anything about parts being hard to find 
> or expensive. Next you'll tell me TDI parts are hard to find and over priced.
> Non-enthusiasts, generally don't know anything about cars and have been fed a 
> line by the marketers about how their cars are super reliable and will last 
> forever so they just don't bother with any kind of maintenance. Volvo owners 
> are a little worse than the rest of the crowd.
> Of course we all know the real marketing that Volvo should have stuck to 
> "Boxy but good."
> 
> -Curt
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>On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 9:51:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> THat's an OXYmoron volvo owners are notorious for never fixing 
> anything because the parts are outrageous IF you can find em.
> 
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 9:44 AM:
>> seems well maintained
> 
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Re: [MBZ] And the blaming begins

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Oh... the automatic steering was broken...

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> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> So it was my fault because of the steering wheel on the car. WTH? 
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Re: [MBZ] Carbs

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Start drinking water...  I gave up all soda that didn't have Rum in it and it 
really helped my digestive track, and makes cut my heart palpitations in half.  
I carry the 64? Ounce yeti thermos with ice and water.  Gotten used to it.  
Still drink some unsweetened tea when I need something else.

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Well I hear you will fell like crap for a few days but after it passes you 
> will have more energy. 
> 
> My problem is I'm on the go all day so I have to find things at fast food 
> places to eat. Yesterday it was Arby's classic with no but and just a touch 
> of Arby's sauce with a side salad. That was 11 carbs. Today it was a McDonald 
> quarter pounder with cheese with no bun or Catsup with a side salad. I can 
> have ranch but their ranch had 11 carbs as opposed to most other ranch that 
> has 1-2. So that meal ended up being 20 carbs. Dinner will be grilled chicken 
> breast and green beans with probably a hard boiled egg and maybe a couple is 
> slices of cheese. Should keep me under 30 which is well under my goal. 
> 
> I have been sticking with unsweetened tea but am considering trying diet 
> soda. I have heard mixed reviews on it. Some say it's fine to drink with this 
> sort of diet, others say it can slow down things even though it has no 
> calories or carbs. I may try it and see how it goes. I do know several years 
> ago I pretty much cut out all sugar and drank diet soda and I lost weight 
> just doing that. 
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>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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>> Kaleb sez:
>> 
>>> ‎Well this is day 2 of no sugar and very low >carbs. I had 27 net carbs 
>>> yesterday and >so far today have had about 20 of my 69 I >have allowed 
>>> myself.
>> 
>> Wait until the withdrawals hit...
>> 
>> Sugar should be classified as a drug.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Seems nice and a decent deal

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Also listed on Craigslist about 300 miles from it's actual location..  

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> From the pictures it's one of those super rare 4 door coupes...
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> H
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>> Respray?  But I like the color, and it is a coupe.
>> 
>> --R
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>>> 
>>> 1986 Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 2015 Jetta 2.0 Diesels

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That is my understanding..  got an email from the dealer...  

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> On Apr 18, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I have not heard that. So these are new never sold 2015 diesels that have now 
> been fixed and can be sold? I would think they would be fairly cheap. Ok don 
> should have waited.
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>> On Apr 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Peter Hertzing via Mercedes 
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>> Good Morning all.
>> 
>> Anybody got any idea what the 2015 new Jetta diesels are selling for now
>> that they have been released for sale?  Got an email from the dealer that
>> they are available, but they won't give a price over the phone cause they
>> Suck and are high pressure sales idiots.
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[MBZ] OT - 2015 Jetta 2.0 Diesels

[Peter Hertzing via Mercedes]

Good Morning all.

Anybody got any idea what the 2015 new Jetta diesels are selling for now
that they have been released for sale?  Got an email from the dealer that
they are available, but they won't give a price over the phone cause they
Suck and are high pressure sales idiots.

Thanks for any insight.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW 2012 PASSAT RIP

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A good friend of mine just made the same call on the Subaru.  He was a Volvo 
240 guy and bought two new in 1990.  Just now moved on to a legacy.   Like you 
he dug the creature comforts but loved the ride of the old 240.  He gave me a 
wagon with almost 500k and gave my brother a sedan with near 600k.

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> On Nov 28, 2016, at 8:20 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
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> We're nearing the end of the VW Diesel-gate buy back process, and now have
> the Subaru Legacy that's replacing it, so I thought it was time to add up a
> few numbers.
> 
> We drove the Passat 34115 miles in 54 months and burned 826.4 gallons of
> Diesel fuel. That's an average of 41.3 MPG. There are only two cross
> country trips in that, and a couple of shorter trips (Tulsa and mid
> Arkansas), so most of the miles are 25 mile round trips into town for
> groceries, etc.
> 
> The Legacy cost us $3,000 after the VW buy back (yes, I'm counting chickens
> before they hatch). We're trading Diesel goodness for all wheel drive and
> electronic gismo's out the a$$. SWMBO really likes the back-up camera,
> blind spot detection and rear cross traffic alert features. I must admit
> that they did help a lot when leaving a crowded parking lot this afternoon
> - telling me traffic was coming from both sides as I was trying to back out
> of a parking space before I saw them. So far, the Subaru is a bit more
> comfortable than the VW was, but neither holds a candle to an old MB.
> 
> The newer MB's are still just too expensive for someone who wants to spend
> his $'s on airplanes :-), hence the Subaru. Time will tell whether it was a
> good decision.
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> for themselves."
> 
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, ? mpg
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 41.3 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

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Not necessarily issues...  But at near 200k in any full size truck your looking 
at tranny replacement unless someone has been fastidious with fluid changes.

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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
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> 
> Mitch wrote:  "100,000 mile spark plugs that want to take the threads with 
> them when you finally remove them?
> Or was that a different engine?"
> 
> Rick wrote:
> 
> "Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal."
> 
> Peter wrote:
> 
> "Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due."
> 
> 
> Thanks for the info.  I knew about the ignition coil issues on the 5.4L.  
> But, I didn't know about seized plugs.  It seems like just about all vehicles 
> with ignition coils will need them replaced at some point at least once they 
> get enough miles on them.  My thinking on it is it is a trade off compared 
> with replacing plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc. like we all used to have 
> to do every 15-30,000 miles on older cars.   I am wondering how to check 
> this.  I guess I could bring some tools and try to try to remove one of the 
> plugs.  And/or see if the seller has service records showing the plugs were 
> replaced already.  Hopefully with 180K they are not original.  Even if they 
> were changed at 100,000 miles, they would need to be done soon.  But, that's 
> not a huge issue.Now, Peter's warning about the transmission has me 
> concerned.  I didn't know these had transmission issues.
> 
> I had a 2001 Expedition previously and it was a great vehicle.  In fact, my 
> wife pretty much claimed it when I brought it home.  It had almost 180,000 
> miles on it when I sold it.  I never had any problems with it, except I had 
> to replace the fuel pump.   I learned later the fuel pump was a weakness on 
> these vehicles and my wife was bad about running it pretty low.
> 
> Don Snook
> 2001 BMW 740iL M Sport 131K miles (for sale soon)
> 2000 BMW 740iL 227K
> 1992 Ford F-150 148K (possibly for sale soon)
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Ford Expedition EL

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Yep..  Impact gets it done each time...   Never had one break doing it that 
way..  Check the tranny.  If it hasn't been rebuilt it's due.   

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> Rick Sez:
> 
>> Google Ford 5.4 Spark Plug removal.
> 
> Seafoam in the intake. Hot engine. Use an impact.
> 
> https://youtu.be/XOVhhkC3A2c
> 
> The approved Ford method
> 
> https://youtu.be/PHQxnG6Bd3o
> 
> https://youtu.be/_NNLWwA8FtE
> 
> Or break them and use this...
> 
> https://youtu.be/lkantvvD0K8
> 
> SImilar, I think, to an OM606 glow plug change.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Top Nigerian Scammer Arrested

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Does he need help with bail?  I'll await the email.

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> On Aug 2, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> No parrot, but he had a hat/headress and a colorful cloth/sash over his 
> shoulder.
> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> August 2, 2016 at 8:40 AM
>> Did he have a parrot on his shoulder?  He cannot be King of Mandebvu without 
>> a parrot on his shoulder.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Curley McLain 
>> August 1, 2016 at 9:34 PM
>> That is a great Story!   It bears preserving for posterity!
>> 
>> When I was on grad school, one of my friends was from CA, and another from 
>> Zimbabwe.  At a conference in  LA, We decided to rent a car and have Jim, 
>> the CA boy drive us around.  So we went to Venice beach and some other 
>> places, then went to the fufu mall (i forget the name) in the 
>> Hollywood/rodeo drive area.  Since the guy from Zimbabwe always walked like 
>> he was a king, and spoke the Queen's english like a Windsor, (and he was 
>> maybe 45+) we designated him to be, for the mall purposes, King Onward of 
>> Mandebvu.  We became his entourage.   The schtick was that he would look 
>> regal and say little or nothing, other than to order us around, or to 
>> critique the merchandise, which we'd have to "interpret" for the clerk.  So 
>> we'd walk into one of these fufu mall stores and the King would look all 
>> snooty.  Jim or I would explain to the clerks that this was King Onward and 
>> they should bow or curtsey.   It was quite entertaining.   In fact it was 
>> the best entertainment of ANY trip I have been o
 n.
>> 
>> After we left the mall we laughed so hard we could not stand.   The "king" 
>> was about as low key as your guy, a professional University Professor from 
>> before Zimbabwe melted down.
>> 
>> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> August 1, 2016 at 7:25 PM
>> Some years back the company I worked for, for reasons never particularly 
>> clear, decided that we needed to do some business in Africa.  I think it had 
>> something to do with the fact that the president/founder of the company, who 
>> was Indian by way of London, got wrangled into some trade delegation the 
>> state had organized to go to Africa for "business development."  There 
>> weren't a lot of black company owners so they figured this guy would do.  
>> Anyway, at some point we ended up hiring this Malian guy, who was a really 
>> nice guy, to be our consultant in trying to get bidness going somewhere in 
>> Africa.  I thought this a complete waste of time and money, and it ended up 
>> being so, but no one listened to me so off we went.  Since our guy spoke 
>> French we concentrated on Cote d'Ivoire and Gabon, I think we ended up with 
>> maybe $25k in bidness after spending at least that much on travel and 
>> bribes, er, "consulting fees," and whatever.  I never went there but my boss 
>> did, and loved it.
>> 
>> This Malian guy had been living in the US for some time, and pretty much 
>> hated Africa, any part of Africa, because of the corruption, violence, 
>> poverty, kleptocrats, etc.  He was very politic in his expressions of his 
>> opinion, but he hated Africa in general, and Nigeria in particular.  One day 
>> over lunch he told me this story of the last time he had gone there, he had 
>> flown there from Bamako (his family home) after a visit.  Some relative of 
>> his was a big shot general in the Malian military, which was probably like 
>> being the sergeant in charge of the motor pool in some medium-sized American 
>> community, but whatever, this guy was connected.  So our guy bums a 
>> general's uniform from him to go to Nigeria, with all the medals and stars 
>> and gold stuff, and shoulder brushes, the big hat and all that stuff.  He 
>> got some other guy to come with him, probably some other cousin or 
>> something, dressed in a regular soldier's uniform, to be his gofer and bag 
>> carrier, kinda completing the whole im
 age.  No parrot on his shoulder though.
>> 
>> He gets to the airport there, and rather than the usual shakedown given to 
>> other Africans, he starts yelling at the customs guys, the guards, the 
>> airport staff, etc. in French as soon as he gets off the plane, waving his 
>> stick around, berating his gofer, walking along like he owns the place, the 
>> whole package.  He said it was great, no one gave him any trouble, no 
>> shakedowns, no "fees" and such, he got right through.  He had his client 
>> organize a big limo for him to go from the airport to the hotel, to look 
>> like a big shot too, and changed clothes in the car so he wouldn't draw any 
>> more attention once he cleared the airport.  This was all pretty funny as 
>> this guy was about as quiet and professional as someone could be, but in the 
>> act he was a tyrant.  He said it was a lot of fun.
>> 
>> He heard later from his big shot rel that 

Re: [MBZ] Kid wrecked the car

[Peter Hertzing via Mercedes]

Good choice.   Teach him the family business.   Tell him too help you fix the 
old one and you'll take half of what it sells for off his debt...

> On Apr 23, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I sold him one of my better cars for very cheap. He will pay me payments for 
> a year till its paid off. I basically put together a deal that he could 
> afford and not be just giving him another car. His car could be fixed and put 
> back on the road and I may do it, I hate to have it bite the dust but it does 
> need a lot of other deferred maintenance done to it and some major suspension 
> work. It's probably one of the worse driving 124s I have been in.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Peter Hertzing via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Don't look a gift horse in the mouth,  it's totaled let him buy something 
>> else.  If you fix all that is wrong with it it will still cost what you 
>> could sell him one of your heaps for.   That's why we all drive cheap cars.  
>> The lesson learned here is at least it was not a really expensive cAr.  If 
>> he wasn't texting or something dumb like that get him back on the road.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 4:10 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I say let the kid walk until the car is paid off.  Or, kid can do the 
>>> rebuild with minor assistance.  
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Photos attached
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kid read ended somebody today. See photos. It took out the hood and 
>>>>> pushed radiator etc into the fan. I could probably pull it back out and 
>>>>> replace the hood. Wondering if it's worth it. Car needs a complete front 
>>>>> end rebuild probably, rear end probably needs work too. Shocks are shot. 
>>>>> Windshield is cracked. It blew the passenger side airbag but not drivers 
>>>>> side. I wonder if I should put it back together or just retire it and let 
>>>>> him buy some other car off me and let he pay it out. 
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kid wrecked the car

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Don't look a gift horse in the mouth,  it's totaled let him buy something else. 
 If you fix all that is wrong with it it will still cost what you could sell 
him one of your heaps for.   That's why we all drive cheap cars.  The lesson 
learned here is at least it was not a really expensive cAr.  If he wasn't 
texting or something dumb like that get him back on the road.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2016, at 4:10 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I say let the kid walk until the car is paid off.  Or, kid can do the rebuild 
> with minor assistance.  
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Photos attached
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kid read ended somebody today. See photos. It took out the hood and pushed 
>>> radiator etc into the fan. I could probably pull it back out and replace 
>>> the hood. Wondering if it's worth it. Car needs a complete front end 
>>> rebuild probably, rear end probably needs work too. Shocks are shot. 
>>> Windshield is cracked. It blew the passenger side airbag but not drivers 
>>> side. I wonder if I should put it back together or just retire it and let 
>>> him buy some other car off me and let he pay it out. 
>>> 
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[MBZ] 1995 E 320 Wagon

[Peter Hertzing]

Hello All:

Tragically someone sideswiped and totaled my 1995 E320 Wagon. The right
side and all bumpers are destroyed.  The left side, interior and
mechanicals are all functioning, as well as all heating and air
conditioning items.  They will allow me to keep if for a certain
consideration.. Just wanted to find out if anyone needed any items from
this vehicle, and if so if it would cover the cost of keeping it for
parts...

Let me know please..

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E 320 Wagon

[Peter Hertzing]

Oh yea not injuries.. Driver was obviously not paying attention but managed
to not hurt anyone in the 5 car accident...

Grey MB tex inside...  Headlights good (I'll double check) and I think the
hood remained square I'll also check on it.  Exterior is White with lower
gray..  Heated seats both worked.  Steering didn't leak (never looked but I
never add)..

Thanks.

Peter

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 Since I'm hearing nothing of injuries to yourself or family, may I presume
 the car did it's job and protected all on board? If the carnage is all
 machinery, then, while I feel your loss of a good car friend, I'm glad you
 all survived, hopefully unharmed.



 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

  Sorry for your loss. I assume you delivered the appropriate punishment to
  the perpetrator who was responsible?
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
   On Apr 3, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   Hello All:
  
   Tragically someone sideswiped and totaled my 1995 E320 Wagon. The right
   side and all bumpers are destroyed.  The left side, interior and
   mechanicals are all functioning, as well as all heating and air
   conditioning items.  They will allow me to keep if for a certain
   consideration.. Just wanted to find out if anyone needed any items from
   this vehicle, and if so if it would cover the cost of keeping it for
   parts...
  
   Let me know please..
  
   Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E 320 Wagon

[Peter Hertzing]

P.S.. Carbondale, IL

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh yea not injuries.. Driver was obviously not paying attention but
 managed to not hurt anyone in the 5 car accident...

 Grey MB tex inside...  Headlights good (I'll double check) and I think the
 hood remained square I'll also check on it.  Exterior is White with lower
 gray..  Heated seats both worked.  Steering didn't leak (never looked but I
 never add)..

 Thanks.

 Peter

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:00 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since I'm hearing nothing of injuries to yourself or family, may I presume
 the car did it's job and protected all on board? If the carnage is all
 machinery, then, while I feel your loss of a good car friend, I'm glad you
 all survived, hopefully unharmed.



 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

  Sorry for your loss. I assume you delivered the appropriate punishment
 to
  the perpetrator who was responsible?
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
   On Apr 3, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   Hello All:
  
   Tragically someone sideswiped and totaled my 1995 E320 Wagon. The
 right
   side and all bumpers are destroyed.  The left side, interior and
   mechanicals are all functioning, as well as all heating and air
   conditioning items.  They will allow me to keep if for a certain
   consideration.. Just wanted to find out if anyone needed any items
 from
   this vehicle, and if so if it would cover the cost of keeping it for
   parts...
  
   Let me know please..
  
   Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E 320 Wagon

[Peter Hertzing]

Actually, its going fairly poorly valued it $3078.  Refuse to move on the
value at all..  It is drive able..  The doors are bent fairly far outward
on the passenger side, I can go try to open them if anyone is interested..
Tranny only has about 80K on it. rest of the car is at 205K

Peter

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Now comes the fun part - dealing with the other guy's insurance company.
 Be sure to keep us informed as to how it goes...

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

  We're all glad it did its job and protected everyone inside.
 
  That is one why I drive a Mercedes Benz and an important one. From your
  earlier posts, I thought perhaps it was parked when sideswiped.
 
  Is it driveable if it had bumpers put on?   It kinda sounds like it is.
  Do the right doors open and close?
 
 
 
 
   P.S.. Carbondale, IL
 
  On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
Oh yea not injuries.. Driver was obviously not paying attention but
   managed to not hurt anyone in the 5 car accident...
 
   Grey MB tex inside...  Headlights good (I'll double check) and I think
  the
   hood remained square I'll also check on it.  Exterior is White with
  lower
   gray..  Heated seats both worked.  Steering didn't leak (never looked
  but I
   never add)..
 
   Thanks.
 
   Peter
 
   On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:00 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Since I'm hearing nothing of injuries to yourself or family, may I
  presume
   the car did it's job and protected all on board? If the carnage is
 all
   machinery, then, while I feel your loss of a good car friend, I'm
 glad
  you
   all survived, hopefully unharmed.
 
 
 
   On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
Sorry for your loss. I assume you delivered the appropriate
  punishment
   to
the perpetrator who was responsible?
   
Dan
   
Sent from my iPad
   
 On Apr 3, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 
   wrote:

 Hello All:

 Tragically someone sideswiped and totaled my 1995 E320 Wagon. The
   right
 side and all bumpers are destroyed.  The left side, interior and
 mechanicals are all functioning, as well as all heating and air
 conditioning items.  They will allow me to keep if for a certain
 consideration.. Just wanted to find out if anyone needed any
 items
   from
 this vehicle, and if so if it would cover the cost of keeping it
  for
 parts...

 Let me know please..

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E 320 Wagon

[Peter Hertzing]

They did a valuation through a company called CCC which took every E320
wagon on auto trader. compared mileage options and supposed conditions.  I
tried to tell her to just replace the car but she said they don't do that,
take this or leave it basically...

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, its going fairly poorly valued it $3078.  Refuse to move on the
 value at all..  It is drive able..  The doors are bent fairly far outward
 on the passenger side, I can go try to open them if anyone is interested..
 Tranny only has about 80K on it. rest of the car is at 205K

 Peter


 Tell them firmly they will replace it with one of equal or better value,
 or pay you enough to replace it with one of equal value and your time, or
 they can meet in court, and have their shenanigans documented on the
 internet.

 Hold your ground and don't be in a hurry to settle, don't take any check
 except for full settlement.

 I'm sure you know all this , but it does not hurt to have reinforcements.

 If they have a local office, go in frequently and remind them they have
 not made a fair offer yet, and ask for a fair offer.

 the $3000 is probably low tradein in some book.  That is not what you can
 buy one for.   If they can buy one that is satisfactory for under retail,
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[MBZ] 1995 E320 no parking lights on Left

[Peter Hertzing]

Brother's driving the 1995 e320 wagon.  lightbulb failure light came on.
No parking lights on left side of car, with parkign lights on, or with just
he lift parking lights on.  Checked the fuse for Left side, good.  switch
feels dicey and brother states that one day it was really hard to turn, he
turned harder and since then it doesn't really click into place.  is this
why the left side lights stopped working?  and will replacing the switch
solve the problem, and if so how hard is it to do?

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] bendix 2 speed

[Peter Hertzing]

100% correct the old archers are the way to go basically super cheap and east 
to keep working

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On Aug 10, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote:

 Gary
 
 watch ebay
 
 i drove a columbia bike for about 10 years when i was a kid  in the '60's 
 (still have the bike in my father's basement) and although it's robust and 
 reliable, i'm not really a fan of them
 
 Whenever you put on the brakes it shifts gears so you have to develop a brake 
 and then another quick shift with your feet to stay in the gear you were in
 
 I much prefer the sturmey archer (or shimano) 3 speed hub with external shift
 
 the sturmeys are repairable, but the shimanos really are not (you just 
 replace all the internals in them)
 
 If you shop for sturmey hubs be sure you don't get one with 40 spokes which 
 were common on english bikes because most wheels are 36 spokes
 
 
 thanks,
 
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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

[Peter Hertzing]

What a sad end to an empire  Kaleb any update on parts through okiebenz?

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On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
wrote:

 The local detective says he has left voicemails on TF's cell phone but no 
 response.  He figures that might be why TF has shut down the 800 #, nervous 
 things are closing in.  Says he has been busy chasing dopers the last coupla 
 days but has not forgotten about this guy, will let me know what sorts out.
 
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Oil

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Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief

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He stated he would provide an explanation here, which he has not.  He has
charged for items, apparently, that have not been provided.  He has not
provided an explanation to you - or to this group.  I'm afraid at this time
these actions are those of a thief.

Peter




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 My $267.79 paid via USAA credit card.  How was yours paid?  USAA Credit
 Card Services has initiated an investigation.

 Wilton

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 I have decided Trent is a thief. He has had 2 weeks to refund the money he
 took for the goods he has not shipped. I am calling the local cops to file
 a complaint against him.

 I have no more patience for his excuses.  The cops can listen to them.

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Re: [MBZ] I think its the end

[Peter Hertzing]

Curt remind us where you are location wise

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:02 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 'Sorry for the loss; 'hope search goes well.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
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 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 4:58 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] I think its the end



 '78 240D

 I'm back to where I started, can't keep coolant in the engine, I've put
 about 3 gallons in today and its all splashed back out. While the engine is
 running it bubbles and burbles and the coolant level rises over the neck of
 the radiator. I put in more and we repeat...

 I don't know why it would have gotten better for awhile and now gone back
 to this, it doesn't make any sense to me but there we are.

 Looks like Monday I'll be shopping for a new to me car.

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Peter Hertzing]

Actually the livery vehicles were recalled in the same manor 

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On May 8, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote:

 To be fair the primary fire hazard on the Panther platform (Town Car, Crown
 Vic, Marquis) has been the position of the gas tank and the rear suspension
 bolts that could pierce the tank in a rear-end collision.  Law enforcement
 vehicles were recalled to modify these parts to decrease the risk.
 
 I did a lot of research on this before I bought a couple of low mileage 90s
 Crown Vics.  The stats on these fires came mostly from vehicles used by LEOs
 in highway stops.  Vehicles used in this way (stopped on the side of a road
 with fast traffic) many times a day are more prone to being rear-ended at
 high speed.  The bottom line for me was the statistics of serious injury
 kept by the insurance companies.  These show the Crown Vic to be one of the
 safest cars on the road.
 
 Greg
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 10:35 PM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo
 
 After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to the
 ground.
 
 
 On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.
 
 Mike
 On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Ford town car
 
 clay
 
 On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
 
 Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the 
 back
 end? Chrysler?
 Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Rant question of the day

[Peter Hertzing]

I heard those - and in working in the medical profession - I was appaled at
the idea that these docs were making the call based not on disability but
on job prospects.  I wonder if the federalies have tracked the doc on the
show down and arrested him yet

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Some interesting stories on Planet Money last week about welfare and
 disability, and how the number of people on SSI has ballooned over the past
 10-15 years. Why?  Because the SSA doesn't really challenge applicants,
 especially those who hire legal representation to make their claim.  This
 has made some law firms literally billions of dollars at our expense.

 Add to this that the states like to move people from welfare to
 disability, because SSI is a Federal program while welfare is partially
 funded by the state.

 Dan

 On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

  There is an inertial damper on getting poor employees out of
 government, but there is also the up or out process that a few agencies
 practice.  If you are unable to proceed up the ladder within a certain time
 period, you get to leave.  Harsh, but effective.  Around Seattle area, the
 firefighters are choosing to go out on disability than face forced
 retirement.  This allows them to get a bit less each month, but it is all
 tax free.
 
  clay
 
  In one of the rural areas in one of the peoples republic states I used
 to live in, the major occupation and pastime was trying to get on
 disability...free ride and plenty of time to grow weed.  The second most
 popular pastime was getting on welfare/unemployment. Plenty of time to grow
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Re: [MBZ] Building question

[Peter Hertzing]

Yes this was common practice for many years.  Use treated lumber, which is
relatively cheap, so a little overbuilding is fairly inexpensive compared
to the risk being averted.  Good Luck

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Lots of old homes built this way;  surely they do not expect the owner to
 bulldoze the house and rebuild for such a repair that is fairly common.


 On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

  What you have described is known here as a balloon framed structure,
  which BTW is not allowed by building code anywhere I know of if, as you
  describe, the studs are two story.
 
  The fix you propose is less than an perfect fix, but likely your only
  option.  I would suggest you clean, glue and clamp the sister stud onto
 the
  solid portion of the existing stud with good overlap to engage as much
  structure as possible.
 
  Also.. check your local building codes to see if such repair is allowed..
  Might be an insurance concern?
 
  Grant...
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:14 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
   I have a cottage. Really it's a tiny thing that resembles a large
  shack!
   I've been doing some sill repairs but some of the studs sitting on the
   rotted sill have rotted as well. I was thinking about cutting out the
   rotted bottom section,  splicing in a new piece of stud and then
  sistering
   it all up with another 2x4. Does the sistering stud have to reach all
 the
   way up to the top plate? I can't realistically do this because it
 extends
   through the ceiling into the second floor. Any thoughts?
  
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Re: [MBZ] A bunch of us need this

[Peter Hertzing]

$15 and I want one

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On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:

 Once it gets to $30 I'll get my sister-in-law to put them in her etsy store. 
 :)
 -Tim
 
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 You are not supposed to be bidding up the price.
 
 --R
 
 
 On 2/25/13 1:44 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
 
 I would put one on my next parts order for $15 or less.
 
 Mike
 On Feb 25, 2013 1:07 PM, Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:
 
 Rusty, can you get us a group buy price on the remaining stock?  $30 is a
 little dear, I am thinking more like $10.
 
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[MBZ] 1983 300d Windshield wipers only work on high

[Peter Hertzing]

Hello-

1983 Mercedes 300d - recently resurrected with a new rear right lower
control arm and new shocks all around - rides pretty nice -

New problem.  The wipers only work on high - and stop where ever you turn
them off.  Today I noticed switching the brights on and off - they start to
work on low sometimes and when I have them set on low and use the turn
signals they work - seems like the switch.  Any way to repair one?  Do you
have to remove the steering wheel to remove the switch?  Help and
suggestions appreciated.

Pete
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Re: [MBZ] Auto Future

[Peter Hertzing]

I'd say easy to get along with.

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On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:21 AM,  Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gerry, I don't know about the silicates, but I know that I sell lots of this
 product. I have never carried the G-05, just the Pentosin and Genuine
 Mercedes coolant. I will be happy to send more of the Pentosin, exchange it
 for Genuine or just take back the one jug you have. I am not hard to get
 along with.
 
 Rusty Cullens
 buyMBparts, Inc.
 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
 Suite 260
 Atlanta, GA 30360
 
 800-741-5252
 770-452-7320
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 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry
 Archer
 Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:21 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Future
 
 My '83 300D already does that.  I head out for the all night restaurant
 after midnight, start thinking about something, finally look around, and I'm
 sitting in front of the Huddle House 12 miles away.
 
 Hey Rusty:
 What am I supposed to do with this liter and half of Pentofrost NF?  I asked
 you to send me either that or G-05 antifreeze; both of which were listed on
 your parts program.  Pentofrost dilutes 50-50 and that's hardly enough
 volume for an AF change.  Also, it has silicates.  I thought silicates were
 not used anymore because of silicate dropout.
 Thanks,
 Gerry
 
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 Next we will just tell the vehicle where we want to go. Relax, read a 
 book and arrive.
 
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Re: [MBZ] saw a 300SDL Turbo for sale

[Peter Hertzing]

What kind of house do you have for sale there?

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On Feb 7, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Glenn,
 Was this at Canon motors? he only sells used and vintage MBs.
 Dwight (who has a house for sale there.)
 
 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:03 PM, G. M. Brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
 I had to run an errand this afternoon and saw a 300SDL for sale near
 Hendersonville, NC.  I stopped and took a quick look . . . particulars:
 Odometer = 24696? (I couldn't see the last digit, but don't think this is
 important considering the mileage).
 Gray leather interior looks like it's in pretty decent shape.  Exterior
 color is sorta' brownish-gray metallic.
 There are a few dash cracks.
 There's considerable cracking on the interior window sills.
 Body looks to be in pretty good shape.
 The for sale sign in the window lists $3600 and the following telephone
 numbers in case anyone may be interested: 891-2613, 768-6561.
 
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 Brevard, NC
 
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Re: [MBZ] Why were they loaded?

[Peter Hertzing]

Okay - This killed me too (no pun intended).  Let me start by saying I
don't own a gun.  Not against em and have shot plenty of them, but don't
own one.  I was taught for many years from a young age that a gun was
loaded.  You treated them all as if they were loaded, even once you
confirmed they were not loaded.  I was brought up to not play guns.  We
didn't aim play guns a people.  It is scary that people at a gun show,
buying guns could be this dumb about owning a gun.

Peter

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

  This is local for me.  In fact I considered going to that show but stayed
  home because my wife is still recovering from a hip replacement.
 

 Hey, me too!  We should have a Triangle-Q some time.

 I also thought about going, but not enough to actually, you know, drive
 east. :)


  I have not found a more detailed description of events in the local
 media,
 

 On the day, WRAL said the gun was being checked by the police at the gate;
 reading between the lines from this version of the story I suspect the
 owner was trying to take it out of the case while going through the line,
 in anticipation of having to show it to the guard.  I've seen no indication
 that a finger pulled the trigger, just that he was taking it out of the
 case and it went off.  Plenty of negligence either way.

 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Housing etc

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It is amazing what a few miles can do.  I grew up in Rockford, IL and my
wife grew up in Chicago.  My parents and her parents bought very much alike
bungalows in the late 70s for about 30K.  My parents sold their impecably
maintained and upgreaded bungalow 30 years later in Rockford in a bidding
war for 73K.  My wife's parents still live in their house and it is worth
upwards of 300K, with few upgrades.

Odly enough, my home in Carbondale, IL has doubled in value in 12 years
with relativly few upgrades and has dropped maybe 5% in the great MBA
recession.

Peter

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 I think I commented in an earlier post about visiting my wife's uncle and
 family in Chicago back in the 70's when we were enroute to visit her
 grandparents in Ohio.

 I google searched to see what their house looked like now and was
 surprised to see that it sold in 2010 for $90K.
 This is a basic 3 BR raised bungalow with a developed basement and a 2 car
 garage in a reasonably decent part of town.

 If that were here where I am, it would sell for something in excess of
 $300K.

 I know things are / were bad in the USA in many areas but wow.

 I also know that areas like Phoenix seemed to take a big hit as I know a
 bunch of folks who have bought places down there to enjoy in the winter
 sort of like having a cottage.

 So, how widespread is this?

 Another of my wife's uncles was here a couple of years back from New
 Hampshire and he said at that time, that he did not think the housing value
 had been affected much where they were.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Housing etc

[Peter Hertzing]

It was underlisted at 68K It was in great shape - but not in a good
neighborhood for sure.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 How can a bidding war result in a sale at only $73K?

 I think the value of a home around here is driven by the cost of building
 a new one.
 At something approaching $200 per square foot, even a modest sized home
 will run close to $300 with the lot.

 Randy



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 It is amazing what a few miles can do.  I grew up in Rockford, IL and my
 wife grew up in Chicago.  My parents and her parents bought very much
 alike
 bungalows in the late 70s for about 30K.  My parents sold their impecably
 maintained and upgreaded bungalow 30 years later in Rockford in a bidding
 war for 73K.  My wife's parents still live in their house and it is worth
 upwards of 300K, with few upgrades.

 Odly enough, my home in Carbondale, IL has doubled in value in 12 years
 with relativly few upgrades and has dropped maybe 5% in the great MBA
 recession.

 Peter

 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 wrote:

 I think I commented in an earlier post about visiting my wife's uncle and
 family in Chicago back in the 70's when we were enroute to visit her
 grandparents in Ohio.

 I google searched to see what their house looked like now and was
 surprised to see that it sold in 2010 for $90K.
 This is a basic 3 BR raised bungalow with a developed basement and a 2
 car
 garage in a reasonably decent part of town.

 If that were here where I am, it would sell for something in excess of
 $300K.

 I know things are / were bad in the USA in many areas but wow.

 I also know that areas like Phoenix seemed to take a big hit as I know a
 bunch of folks who have bought places down there to enjoy in the winter
 sort of like having a cottage.

 So, how widespread is this?

 Another of my wife's uncles was here a couple of years back from New
 Hampshire and he said at that time, that he did not think the housing
 value
 had been affected much where they were.

 Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

[Peter Hertzing]

Depends on where it is located?

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Interested in an entire 1983 300D by chance?

 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes:

  no reponse to the message below - wanted to make sure it went out.  Guess
  that means no one has one?
 
  Peter
 
  On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  My Rear right lower control arm has bit the dust - and I have welded in
 a
  replacement mount from my old lawnmower deck which lasted about 3
  months.  Anyone have a used one?  I am sure everyone knows that a new
  replacement costs more then a semester of college.
 
  Thanks f0r your help - again its a 1983 300D
 
  Thanks -
 
  Peter
 

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Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

[Peter Hertzing]

Ha where the car is located

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On Sep 6, 2012, at 4:12 PM,  Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe on the right rear of the rear suspension? But I may be wrong!
 
 
 
 
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 800-741-5252
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 -Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of Peter Hertzing
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:07 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D
 
 Depends on where it is located?
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 
 Interested in an entire 1983 300D by chance?
 
 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes:
 
 no reponse to the message below - wanted to make sure it went out.  
 Guess that means no one has one?
 
 Peter
 
 On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 My Rear right lower control arm has bit the dust - and I have 
 welded in
 a
 replacement mount from my old lawnmower deck which lasted about 3 
 months.  Anyone have a used one?  I am sure everyone knows that a 
 new replacement costs more then a semester of college.
 
 Thanks f0r your help - again its a 1983 300D
 
 Thanks -
 
 Peter
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

[Peter Hertzing]

Carbondale il. What's the condition and how much?

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On Sep 6, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Bloomington, IN... and where are you?
 
 Allan
 
 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes:
 
 Depends on where it is located?
 
 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 
 Interested in an entire 1983 300D by chance?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

[Peter Hertzing]

no reponse to the message below - wanted to make sure it went out.  Guess
that means no one has one?

Peter

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote:

 My Rear right lower control arm has bit the dust - and I have welded in a
 replacement mount from my old lawnmower deck which lasted about 3
 months.  Anyone have a used one?  I am sure everyone knows that a new
 replacement costs more then a semester of college.

 Thanks f0r your help - again its a 1983 300D

 Thanks -

 Peter

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[MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

[Peter Hertzing]

My Rear right lower control arm has bit the dust - and I have welded in a
replacement mount from my old lawnmower deck which lasted about 3
months.  Anyone have a used one?  I am sure everyone knows that a new
replacement costs more then a semester of college.

Thanks f0r your help - again its a 1983 300D

Thanks -

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[MBZ] Help - Righ Rear Spring Perch

[Peter Hertzing]

Hello All:

 I need help.  My right rear spring mount has broken - and I have welded it
once.  Won't hold the shock in anymore and has substantial rot at the
spring too.  May call this a rear lower control arm as well.

Anyone have a decent used on or know a source for a new one?

Thanks -

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Re: [MBZ] Help - Righ Rear Spring Perch

[Peter Hertzing]

Ummm duh.1983 300d. Sorry distraught over this last development with my 
ride.

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On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Peter,
 
 How's about some details, like what model car, etc
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote:
 
 Hello All:
 
 I need help.  My right rear spring mount has broken - and I have welded it
 once.  Won't hold the shock in anymore and has substantial rot at the
 spring too.  May call this a rear lower control arm as well.
 
 Anyone have a decent used on or know a source for a new one?
 
 Thanks -
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus coolant change

[Peter Hertzing]

Go with new.

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On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Well nothing is ever *easy* is it?
 
 I drained the system, filled with water to flush, and warmed up the
 engine.  Once it had reached operating temp I turned it off and
 discovered that the thermostat gasket leaks under pressure.  That would
 explain the slow coolant loss I've observed on this car in recent
 months.
 
 So, off to FLAPS to get a gasket.  Wondering about the possibility that
 the housing is warped (it looks to be plastic).
 
 Should I get a new thermostat as well, or leave the old one as it seems
 to be working fine?
 
 Allan
 
 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes:
 
 Glad to be of assistance.
 
 I used the Ford stuff because I had a couple of gallons left over from my 
 former Crown Vic.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
 
 Good to hear, thanks.  Off to the garage
 
 BTW I'm going to use G-05 for the refill, I think it's Ford approved and
 nice to only have to stock one type for the MB and Ford.
 
 Allan
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D continuing saga

[Peter Hertzing]

Sorry Curt - coming into this late so I don't mean to be redundent.  From
the sound of the description below - you have already done some work.  My
first stop is always at the work I have done, making sure you have a fully
bled system with no air pockets.  You already have the IR thermometer, so
the next think I would do would be to check the temp across the radiator,
looking for a cool spot.  While unlikely, you could hae a colapsing
radiator hose restricting flow.

Gould luck, I hate these gremlins.  I currently have a randomly overheating
limo where the cooling fan doesn't turn on and it over heats - but by the
time you look at it the fan has come on and won't go off and works
perfectly.  Definitly annoying.

Peter




On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So yesterday morning things seemed good, temp stayed below 100C.
 Last night on the way home I got stuck in heavy traffic and the temp hung
 around 110C with trips up to the white line just before the red line.

 It was cool out, maybe 65F so outside temp is not much of a factor.

 One time it was getting high, I was running the cabin heat which was
 blowing hot air really well but making no difference and in desperation I
 slipped the trans into neutral and revved the engine which brought the temp
 down about 10C degrees really quickly.

 I didn't pull over and check the temp with my IR thermometer which I
 should have (looking weird on the side of the road be dammed) but my
 experience thus far shows that the relative position of the temp gauge is
 right, meaning as it rises the temp is really rising, although the gauge
 itself is usually off about 10C. So the car probably wasn't really
 overheating like I was afraid of but in the moment you get nervous...

 Anyway the revving thing makes me wonder if I haven't got a defective
 water pump. I can't see where its leaking and the coolant doesn't go down a
 noticeable amount.

 I suppose what I really need to do is replace the temp sensor but even a
 sensor not giving me the right temp is still giving me information that
 says the temp of the engine varies rather a lot (confirmed with the IR
 thermometer).

 Ideas?

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Re: [MBZ] Carmax and Re: I buy a gl

[Peter Hertzing]

Curt -

I'm with you.  An automotive transaction is where the buyer and the seller
meet on an agreeable price.  Somethings I am willing to pay more fore, such
as quality and service.

Profit isn't a dirty word.  Everyone on the lists likes to drive a car and
then sell it for a balance between what they have in it and the use they
have recieved from it.



Peter

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 What does book have to do with it?

 KBB tracks (as far as I know) sales of cars. CarMax has to have the lights
 on and pay to ship the things and pay to put stuff on the website etc.

 We as Americans have somehow decided that allowing anybody to make any
 profit on anything means we are being cheated. We've slit our own throats
 at the altar of low prices. This is yet another example of why there is no
 manufacturing in the US anymore, nobody is stupid enough to try to do it.

 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:52:41 -0500
 From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com
 To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] Carmax and Re:  I buy a gl
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 Kaleb wrote:  Actually I paid about retail for it. I decided I wanted one
 and believe it or not I bought it from carmax. They deal in everything even
 have many 2012 mb's in stock. I found the one I wanted it was out of state,
 they had is shipped here, no haggle did the deal out the door. Their prices
 are usually a good bit under book and less that other dealers sell for.
 When it arrived last week they discovered a problem with the air
 suspension, so they took it to the mb dealer and paid about 2500 to fix it.
 I am impressed with them. As it turns out the air bags do start leaking
 after a whole but the system is pretty reliable. The bags are expensive
 from the dealer but there is an aftermarket company that makes more heavy
 duty bags for cheaper and they have a lifetime warranty. Also I will say I
 can see why people like xenon headlights, this thing has them and they are
 bright.

 Sounds great!   I wish we had some pictures.  BUT, lets not get too
 carried away with how great Carmax is.  It sounds like you got a good deal,
 but they are NOT always under the book.  When my wife bought her charger,
 we looked for Accords, Chargers, and Altimas.  We probably looked at 12 of
 them at the lot in Wichita and only ONE of them was under Kelly Bluebook.
  I also had a friend that had a very specific requirement for a car.  It
 had to be Black with leather seats and not an old person car.  I agree
 their site is easy to navigate and the fact that they will ship it there is
 pretty cool.  But, very few of the cars they found were under the book
 value.  In fact, I argued with them that the prices were too high and they
 stood their ground and said they do not negotiate.   My friend did not buy
 a car from them even though they had a Black Altima with leather seats and
 20,000 miles that was exactly what she wanted.  BUT, it was $2000 over the
 book.

 Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Nawlin's

[Peter Hertzing]

Funny this thread is up now.  I'm sitting at the Carbondale Amtrak station 
waiting in the city of new Orleans which is currently running an hour behind.  

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 Now you are bringing out the Tom Sawyers!
 
 
 I would love to do that!  Wanna finance the trip?
 
 I love re-reading Life on the MIssissippi.
 
 
 
 Are you going to float down on old man river?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

[Peter Hertzing]

Sorry - coming on to this thread a little late - but guessing were talking
about a cherekee with a 4 liter.  It is a very difficult cooling system to
bleed - for some unknown reason - a heater hose runs across teh top of the
engine - best I can remember.  The only way I have every been abel to
properly bleed the system is to put a flushing port at the high point of
that hose.  One of those deals that you would attach your hose to.  Then
you fill the system the the cap to that loose untill coolant comes out of
it and then tighten it up.  I have also used it as a port to fill the
system.

Best of luck - I'm sure you can get more info using the power of the
internet.  Kind of a common problem as I Recall.

Peter
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 Did the impeller rot off the old water pump?

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 On Jun 2, 2012, at 14:45, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:

  I considered that, but here's the kicker... Only the lower hose has the
  spring and if I try to clean it, it returns to black which seems to be
 the
  way it came from the factory.  I don't think the spring itself is
 rusting -
  it seems to be a surface that rust collects, but that's it.  I didn't try
  to remove the spring because I didn't want to distort it.  I think
 changing
  the lower hose would eliminate some build up in the part of the spring I
  could not clean.  As an example, if I pull on the spring and rinse water
  through the house, It takes a few seconds for the water to be perfectly
  clear again.  Maybe the rust came from the head, not the block?  Both are
  cast iron.
 
 
  On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Rich Thomas 
  richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
  Maybe those springs?
 
  --R
 
 
  On 6/2/12 1:51 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
 
  Last night I drained the coolant from the drain plug on the radiator.
  What
  came out first was bright green.  After a little bit, it turns rusty
  brown,
  and then turned to dirty coolant.  This was just draining.  Likewise,
 what
  is in the expansion tank is typically rust colored and when I poured
 clean
  water into the heater core, what came out was rust colored.  What I
  removed
  the water pump what I saw was dirty coolant, but the inside of the
 engine
  (outside of the cylinder wall for #1) looks perfectly fine and
 rust-free.
  It makes me think the coolant does separate as it cools.
 
  The water pump itself looks fine also.  A gasket leak developed on the
 top
  of the pump after I did the first round of flushing.
 
  What has the most crap buildup are the heater hoses.  The supply and
  return to the heater core have a rust buildup inside.  The lower
 radiator
  hose has a large spring in it almost the entire length and that spring
  holds a ton of crap.  It makes me wonder where all this rust comes
 from if
  the inside of the engine looks fine.
 
  On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Brian Toscanobrian.toscano@gmail.
 **combrian.tosc...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I considered that the dark radiator has an effect on the coolant.  The
  bright green when in the radiator is almost clear in a coolant tester.
  However, what's in the expansion tank is darker.  The original problem
  has
  been fixed.  The flushing I did definitely helped.  I'm not expecting
  100%
  perfectly new looking coolant in 11 year old engine with cast iron
 block
  and head.
 
 
  On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Maxmeadedil...@bellsouth.net
  wrote:
 
  Remove a sample from the radiator and another from expansion tank to
  compare side by side;  it's awfully hard to judge color inside a dark
  radiator.
 
  Did you fix the original problem?
 
  I think your flushing method failed.
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Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

[Peter Hertzing]

When we did this we never had issues again - jsut make sure the it is the
correct size for the hose - and should be fine.  For arguments sake - you
could make the Radiator the highest point by bleeding the system on
jackstands as high as you can safely get the front of the jeep.

Peter

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes - 4.0.  The heater core hoses do run at valve cover level, higher than
 the radiator.  I like your idea of modifying one of the heater core hoses,
 but I am hesitant to splice hoses because in my mind more fittings mean
 more potential sources of leaks and failures.  I'm hoping most/all of the
 air is out of the system.  I filled the heater core with fresh distilled
 water from the from one supply line which has an L-shaped bend near the
 thermostat housing.  After filling up, I took it for a test drive and the
 expansion tank dropped a few inches, but still had coolant in it.  I have
 since filled it up to the Full mark.

 Does a rising/lowering expansion tank fluid level indicate that air has
 been purged from the pressurized part of the system?


 On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Sorry - coming on to this thread a little late - but guessing were
 talking
  about a cherekee with a 4 liter.  It is a very difficult cooling system
 to
  bleed - for some unknown reason - a heater hose runs across teh top of
 the
  engine - best I can remember.  The only way I have every been abel to
  properly bleed the system is to put a flushing port at the high point of
  that hose.  One of those deals that you would attach your hose to.  Then
  you fill the system the the cap to that loose untill coolant comes out of
  it and then tighten it up.  I have also used it as a port to fill the
  system.
 
  Best of luck - I'm sure you can get more info using the power of the
  internet.  Kind of a common problem as I Recall.
 
  Peter
  On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
   Did the impeller rot off the old water pump?
  
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   jream...@verizon.net
   Home: +14106646986
   Mobile: +14437915905
  
   On Jun 2, 2012, at 14:45, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
I considered that, but here's the kicker... Only the lower hose has
 the
spring and if I try to clean it, it returns to black which seems to
 be
   the
way it came from the factory.  I don't think the spring itself is
   rusting -
it seems to be a surface that rust collects, but that's it.  I didn't
  try
to remove the spring because I didn't want to distort it.  I think
   changing
the lower hose would eliminate some build up in the part of the
 spring
  I
could not clean.  As an example, if I pull on the spring and rinse
  water
through the house, It takes a few seconds for the water to be
 perfectly
clear again.  Maybe the rust came from the head, not the block?  Both
  are
cast iron.
   
   
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
   
Maybe those springs?
   
--R
   
   
On 6/2/12 1:51 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
   
Last night I drained the coolant from the drain plug on the
 radiator.
What
came out first was bright green.  After a little bit, it turns
 rusty
brown,
and then turned to dirty coolant.  This was just draining.
  Likewise,
   what
is in the expansion tank is typically rust colored and when I
 poured
   clean
water into the heater core, what came out was rust colored.  What I
removed
the water pump what I saw was dirty coolant, but the inside of the
   engine
(outside of the cylinder wall for #1) looks perfectly fine and
   rust-free.
It makes me think the coolant does separate as it cools.
   
The water pump itself looks fine also.  A gasket leak developed on
  the
   top
of the pump after I did the first round of flushing.
   
What has the most crap buildup are the heater hoses.  The supply
 and
return to the heater core have a rust buildup inside.  The lower
   radiator
hose has a large spring in it almost the entire length and that
  spring
holds a ton of crap.  It makes me wonder where all this rust comes
   from if
the inside of the engine looks fine.
   
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Brian Toscanobrian.toscano@gmail.
   **combrian.tosc...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
I considered that the dark radiator has an effect on the coolant.
   The
bright green when in the radiator is almost clear in a coolant
  tester.
However, what's in the expansion tank is darker.  The original
  problem
has
been fixed.  The flushing I did definitely helped.  I'm not
  expecting
100%
perfectly new looking coolant in 11 year old engine with cast iron
   block
and head.
   
   
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Maxmeadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
   
Remove a sample from

Re: [MBZ] Coolant question (related to my Jeep cooling system work)

[Peter Hertzing]

Yes auto parts stores have them too.

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On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Peter Hertzing wrote:
 When we did this we never had issues again - jsut make sure the it is the
 correct size for the hose - and should be fine.  
 
 Like this?
 http://www.amazon.com/Prestone-AFKIT0-Universal-Flush-Fill/dp/B000CCFY5W
 
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[MBZ] Dreaded lower rear shock mount - 1983 300D

[Peter Hertzing]

So the noise I have been ignoring for the last week thinking it was a
broken exhaust hanger - turns out to be a busted out lower right shock
mount in the rear.  I have heard of discussion revolving around this, but
neve
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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or floating gas?

[Peter Hertzing]

Well for several years mci and prevost (bus makers) and I'm sure big truck 
makers as well played with auto sticks where you just used a clutch to start 
then it was a direct drive automatic.  Got a little better mileage. And didn't 
require shifting.

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 Randy Bennell wrote:
 
 If MB intended you to do that, they wouldn't have bothered to
 put in a clutch pedal.
 
 Heh.  The clutch pedal is for starting moving from a full stop.
 After that, it's just there to confuse the plebeians.
 
 --Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data

[Peter Hertzing]

What we need is the ability to share simple data such as diagnosis and current 
medications so that doctors can communicate regarding care.  Does no favors to 
our system when a doc orders a ct that the patient had last month cause it's 
easier then getting the result from another doctor.  Same with demographic 
info.  Insane that a swooped credit card cant be used to load that into the 
system for billing purposes.

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 Yes, the privacy issues are real, and I don't think are being taken
 seriously enough. On the other hand, when my father was being treated for
 trigeminal neuralgia (sp?), I took him to six different doctors, due to
 referals. I had to fill out the demographic data, medical history, current
 issues and treament to date six times, and three of the doctors worked in
 the same hospital system. A bit of electronic medical records, shared
 between the doctors with our permission, would certainly have made it a
 better experience, and might have reduced the false-starts in the process.
 
 On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Grant wrote:
 It will come.. just not in my remaining lifetime... likely..
 
 Plus, we don't need to go see these information gatherers.  Abe
 Lincoln didn't have an exposure problem - stay away from the systems
 and try to accomplish anonymity as much as possible - forget the
 regulators and their schemes.  Yes, that means voluntarily limiting
 participation in the 'wonders' of technology today.  Tech ain't all it
 means to be - it seems more a nemesis than benefit.  Similarly health
 care seems more a nemesis than benefit.  Keep away from their systems
 and live like the billions of persons that have lived, then died on
 the plane to date and we might be better off than ...in the year
 2525, if man is still alive
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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Peter Hertzing]

Big change on teh UPS trucks is auto tranny.  Have a friend who delivers
the to the hubs when new ones arrive and they have had to replace trucks
with automatic transmissions because they couldn't find drivers who could
drive manual tranny's.  I remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus
line I was driving for.  Sad day and definitly less quality drivers.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:07 PM, TE ban...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited quantities
 and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Typically, the
 size
 of the package car (correct UPS term) dictates whether or not the engine is
 diesel or gas. The larger package cars (P1000, P1200) always have diesel
 engines, whereas the smaller package cars (P500, P570) have gas engines.

 I haven't seen a feeder truck with LNG until that picture. Usually we would
 try to incorporate those technologies into vehicles that are more customer
 facing, so to speak.

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Brian Toscano
 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:19 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?


 http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diese
 l-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/

 On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM, TE ban...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
  [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
  On Behalf Of WILTON
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM
  To: mercedes list
  Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
 
  #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck
  sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the
  usual Diesel.  UPS guy told 'im, Yep, switching to gas driven
  trucks.
 
  BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now.
 
  Wilton
  '87 300D (126 kmi)
  '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Peter Hertzing]

nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or
8v71 behind you.  When you get it down its like butter.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions
  because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's.  I
  remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving
  for.  Sad day and definitly less quality drivers.

 I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and
 from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission.
 He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

[Peter Hertzing]

I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day.

Peter

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On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, j...@windwireless.net j...@windwireless.net 
wrote:

 That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates 
 (also
 without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no
 permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing ---
 
 State laws vary.  Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front
 seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA.  
 _Concealing_
 it was the crime, not the having of it...
 
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[MBZ] E320 1995 won't start without pressing the gas

[Peter Hertzing]

Gasser Won't start without pressing the accelerator a little then it starts 
fine and runs normally.  No other symptoms...  Ideas?  

Thanks.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[Peter Hertzing]

I have owened a 1985 Westy with the 1.9L and an Auto.  It was a great cross
country camping mobile as long as you were not in a hurry to get anywhere,
and creature comforts, such as air conditioning and the power to cross the
continental divide in a day are not on your list of requierments for
reliable transportation.

That being said, we loved it.  Sold it when campting time was reduced du to
added children.  I rebuilt an engine and it was pretty easy and low cost.
(note this is how I learned not to drive it over about 65 MPH)  the
greatest reliability comes at about 60MPH.  I added lowering springs which
reduced ground clerance but sure added to the stability on the road.

Now that I am no longer a nomad I miss my days in my VW.

1982.5 was the first year for water cooled.  If heat is important to you,
this is the only way to go.  I will not speak for anyone else - but my
experience has been that the water cooled models were more reliable.  The
head issue is true - but can be avoided with a properly assembled engine
and teh proper coolant and proper coolant changes. Tires are important, and
using your head is important as well.  Dont' over load it.  Don't dirve it
over 65 mph.

If you can drive an old mercedes you can drive and old vw vanagon.

I also had a 1974 airheated vw camper.  Had its advanatges and
disadvatages, but I found the cost of operation and the carb made it less
reliable.

Hope this helps - I still have some parts so let me know if you get one.

Peter

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Allan, lots of good info there!

 Ed
 300E

 On 9 March 2012 10:33, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

  I would go for the last gen Vanagon with Westy kit.  (I think '91 was
  the last year for the USA, not sure about Canada).
 
  That will get you air conditioning (at least the chance of it, it may
  not work).  All the water-cooled Vanagons have decent heat, particularly
  in comparison to the earlier air-cooled Vanagons and microbuses.
 
  The 2.1 l boxer engine is a weak point, often develop head gasket leaks,
  religous coolant changes may help avoid issues but it's fundamentally a
  bad design.  The Digifant engine management system is rather primitive
  as well, and at 20+ years of age the electronics are no longer really
  reliable.
 
  Check engine compartment fuel hoses for cracks, several are positioned
  right above the exhaust and if they start leaking you'll have good
  chance for a fire.
 
  Many people swap in a Subaru engine or even a Ford Zetec (see
  http://www.bostig.com) as much for reliability as additional power.
 
  Be sure you run the proper tires, the vehicles are heavy and need a load
  range C tire.  The Hankook RA-08 are favored among Vanagon owners.
 
  A westy in good condition, properly maintained and with a professional
  engine transplant will not be cheap.  Then again, a cheap Westy is about
  like a cheap Mercedes.
 
  Allan
 
 
  Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:
 
   I think '79 or '80 was the last year for the proper microbus, after
 that
  you get into the Vanagon which I'll admit has grown on me over the years.
  The 2l engine in the Vanagon is a monster for power compared to the early
  1600cc.
  
   Best would be to find one with a no-rust body but a tired or completely
  dead engine. IIRC for $3k you can do a really nice brand new engine. $3k
 in
  paint isn't a whole lot on something so tall and long.
  
   I'd love to have one too, my wife and I dream of someday driving across
  the US and a VW is our #2 choice. Number 1 would be a 123 300TD turbo.
 The
  MB wagon is such a nice driving car and a wagon would have plenty of
 space
  for stuff and an air mattress for occasional camping for 2.
  
   -Curt
  
   Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:35:30 -0500
   From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com
   To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?
   Message-ID:
   CANth8RWPuHNRMP+rgaQUgjV4DbHs=tPCK7ZC6aE1iRvKXsE=
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   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
  
   Hey Guys,
  
   As we're talking about alternative modes of transport, do any of you
 have
   any experience with old VW campers?  I've always wanted one, but have
 no
   idea of what the current market is.  I'd like an older 70-80s one.
  Older
   would be cool, but I suspect the price for a decent one would be quite
   high.  Redoing paint, interior, brakes and tires and such would be
 fine,
   but I'd want one with a good solid body (work in that area previously
  done)
   and a sound engine, that just needs going over and having the rubber
 bits
   replaced.
  
   Any idea of the best place to look for these?
  
   Any thoughts on these welcome.
  
   Ed
   300E
  
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Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner

[Peter Hertzing]

Wouldn't that be acting like an oil cartel?  

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On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Please don't shoot me for saying this but if there is so much demand for oil 
 from overpopulated countries like China and India then should we consider 
 hoarding our oil or at least limiting the amount we export to these rapidly 
 growing third world economies so that they don't deplete the worlds supply? 
 What would be ramifications of such a plan? 
 
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 On Feb 26, 2012, at 1:53 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I read yesterday that gas is expected to hit $5/gal by the end of the year,
 due mostly to Iran and demand from China and India. What I haven't found is
 a prediction of the cost spread between gasoline and Diesel.
 We saw a two car accident on I-44 Friday night - a red Fiat 500 rear-ended
 a cream colored one! There is a Fiat dealerin OKC, but I don't usually see
 enough of them to expect them to be running into each other!
 
 On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Isn't it amazing to see how fuel economy has become the big story lately?
 Its always the New 30mpg super-whatever now rather than the 3000hp
 super-whatever that it was 2 years ago.
 
 I think that the new hybrids/electric/whatevers helping push higher
 efficiency in regular gas cars. Well I suppose $3.50/gal gas helps that too.
 
 After the new Super Bowl commercial I really want to test-drive a Fiat 500
 Abarth, then I looked up the specs and I really really want to test drive
 one...
 
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:45:45 -0500
 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt Owner
 Message-ID: 780f0312-9011-4283-b63d-2cf69f279...@yahoo.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
 
 I have to agree with Grant.  While I'm all for saving energy, the math
 these people use, even if accurate, still fails to take a lot of the
 upstream costs into account, especially the cost of generating the
 electricity necessary to charge the thing.
 
 I have to believe that if this is factored in accurately, an electric car,
 coupled with the high cost of battery technology, is still far more
 expensive from a cost per mile than one running on fossil fuels.
 
 That being said, if solar costs could ever be brought into a manageable
 range, if you lived in an area where solar made sense and you could
 generate your own power, maybe, just maybe, it might approach a realistic
 cost.
 
 It's unlikely to happen in our lifetime, I believe, so that's not
 something I'm counting on.
 
 I think the best place to put our development dollars is to raise the
 corporate CAFE standards.  If Detroit is forced to develop more efficient
 cars, and I believe they can, electric vehicles won't stand a chance of
 being realistic unless something spectacular would occur with battery
 technology.
 
 Where's that 100 MPG carburetor when you need it?
 
 grin
 
 Dan
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] DETROIT DIESEL SYSTEMS DDEC 11 DDEC 111 SCAN TOOL

[Peter Hertzing]

What do u own?  I have two mci dl3's with the 12.7 60 series.

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On Feb 24, 2012, at 10:18 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I own 3 Detroits with  DDEC III and would like to have the scan tool ..
 
 Does it have cables and plug adapters with it?.. Is it functional? What
 would be your price?
 
 A direct email would be welcome.
 
 Thanks,
 Grant..
 AZ...
 
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 Just picked this up at auction.  No idea what the thing will do.  What
 does the group estimate this is worth?Guess I should toss it onto ebay or CL
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

[Peter Hertzing]

Thanks for the insights.  I am very gentle on my commute.  I have a friend who 
uses my car from time to time 
And he doesn't do as well as I do. But for 3 mpgs I'm not making the change.

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On Feb 24, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Really? I always thought a W123 300D turbo was more in the 26mpg average 
 range. I've averaged 28mpg with my '78 240D over the last 21,000 miles which 
 is exactly the same as I got with my '83 240D over 80,000 miles. Thats mostly 
 highway miles.
 
 I was thinking that if Peter was getting 2-3mpg more than I thought normal 
 for a 300D that maybe he could average 30mpg with a 240D.
 
 I've had both my 240Ds up to 32mpg with very gentle driving but on my normal 
 commute I just can't be bothered.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:54:48 -0600
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD
 Message-ID: 20120224165448.a8cfa80b.fmi...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 
 Peter Hertzing wrote:
 
 Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel
 Mileage.  I have a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape
 bought it right, and a friend really would like to buy it from
 me.  I bought it to teach myself about the Mercedes diesel,
 and that has been a success.  As I see fuel prices rise, I am
 thinking of selling it to him and buying a 240D.  What can I
 expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time.  I know
 it will be super slow - but it would probably do well on my
 commute.
 
 My commute is 45 miles each way - rolling country hills with
 only 2 complete stops.  I drive about 60 MPH.  In my 300D i
 tend to get right at about 28 or 29 MPG.  I'm not worried
 about fun, just economy.  I have a Miata to deliver some fun
 during the spring and fall when the weatherr is perfect.
 
 So - share your thoughts.  The other thing that appeals to me
 is the manual climate control in the 240.
 
 A W123 240 will probably not do any better.  Because the
 turbocharger increases engine efficiency,  reducing the number
 of cylinders and loosing the turbo will probably cancel out.  In
 my experience, a turbo 300 in good condition can get _better_
 fuel mileage than a normally-aspirated 240 - especially above 50
 to 55 MPH  (80-90 km/h).
 
 But I'm with you on the manual heater controls!
 
 --   Philip
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

[Peter Hertzing]

Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel Mileage.  I have
a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape bought it right, and a friend
really would like to buy it from me.  I bought it to teach myself about the
Mercedes diesel, and that has been a success.  As I see fuel prices rise, I
am thinking of selling it to him and buying a 240D.  What can I expect for
fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time.  I know it will be super slow -
but it would probably do well on my commute.

My commute is 45 miles each way - rolling country hills with only 2
complete stops.  I drive about 60 MPH.  In my 300D i tend to get right at
about 28 or 29 MPG.  I'm not worried about fun, just economy.  I have a
Miata to deliver some fun during the spring and fall when the weatherr is
perfect.

So - share your thoughts.  The other thing that appeals to me is the manual
climate control in the 240.

Peter

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
  On 24/02/2012 8:15 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
  Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once:
  http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html
 
  So, is this still NA or is it a turbo?
 

 NA, about 90 hp(?)

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Re: [MBZ] 190d charging

[Peter Hertzing]

What's the battery voltage with the engine off?

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On Feb 4, 2012, at 6:27 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you clean the slip rings on the armature? I've installed a new VR and
 had no charge from the alternator, then cleaned the rings with a bit of
 fine sandpaper, and had it working fine.
 
 On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
 
 Wonder if it's the vr or the whole alt though?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: One less repeat offender

[Peter Hertzing]

I'm no lawyer but the video sure shows excessive force.  Not sure what angle 
the defense uses but temporary insanity would sure have worked better around 
here then the he had it coming defense.

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On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 The usual legal argument is that you have the right to use reasonable force 
 to defend yourself. His error was shooting the bad guy another 5 times. That 
 showed obvious anger and intent to harm the bad guy. If he had left well 
 enough alone, he likely would not have been charged for shooting the robber 
 the first time.
 
 Randy
 
 
 On 30/12/2011 7:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Well it was actually a pretty big surprise the guy even got thrown in jail 
 here at all.  Usually people can go ahead and shoot other people around here 
 who are in the middle of robbing them no problem.  For some reason they 
 decided to make an example out of this guy.  People are really pissed about 
 it around here for sure.
 
 Here is the story
 
 http://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-pharmacist-dead-robbers-accomplices-life-prison/story?id=14053802
  
 
 And video of the crime.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHshsgpsxFg
 
 On 12/30/2011 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 If he was in Florida, he would probably have walked.  The right to defend 
 laws here are pretty clear about one's ability to defend themselves against 
 harm.
 
 Sadly, there was a situation a year or two ago where an angry old man got 
 pissed about some kids skateboarding in a public area in his neighborhood.  
 He went out, waving a gun to threaten them.  Another neighborhood resident, 
 who was in the same area with his young daughter, confronted him about 
 hassling the kids and the old guy shot and killed the man right in front of 
 his daughter.
 
 This is probably one of the times the right to defend law got stretched, as 
 the judge just threw the case out on those grounds, as the old dude claimed 
 he felt threatened by the guy.  I don't think the judge was happy about it, 
 but the case law was pretty clear, so I don't think he had a choice.
 
 Nothing is perfect, folks...
 
 Dan
 
 On Dec 30, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 
 We had a pharmacist here who got prison time, some punks came in to rob 
 his store, he emptied his clip into one of them, the others ran away.  He 
 then was so freaked out he went behind the counter, got another gun and 
 emptied that one into the guy as well.  I think the guy should have got a 
 medal.
 
 On 12/30/2011 12:08 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 Thankfully, this is now legal in Florida.
 
 I'm not a pro-gun or no-gun advocate, but I have often had an issue with 
 one's ability to defend one's home and personal space.
 
 After reading the article, it's clear the perps were career scumbags and 
 deserved what they got.  At least the one they targeted.  The one that 
 got away will probably be on the street shortly (after they catch him.)
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey wrote:
 
 Got a haircut today and my barber seemed somewhat preoccupied.  Turns out
 that an hour earlier, his grand nephew shot and killed one of several
 intruders.  The grand nephew (age 14) and his sister (who was taking a
 shower at the time) were home alone when they were startled by several 
 armed
 intruders who burst into the house.  The kid shot the one but the others
 ran; the sheriff was searching for them last I heard.  I hope the kid
 doesn't have any long-term psychological damage from this but otherwise I
 consider it a very satisfactory solution to a bad situation.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Injectors and Possible adjusting? DieselKleenworks- maybe?

[Peter Hertzing]

Yea - I think most people are looking for pricing - An idea may be - ad a
coupon that says call with xyz coupon code and recieve a discount for phone
orders.  The for people who dont' care and jsut want to deal with the
internet.

On this subject - I will always use Rusty althogh I may check to see what I
should be paying for a part from time to time, because he understand
customer service.  You call Rusty - he has your CC on file, he doesn't need
your address everytime, it is no bother to get a part and on top of that it
is normally the best price.

Calling rusty makes me feel like the man.  He knows who you are, treats you
like a king, and then gets you the parts.

What else could you ask for except a little elf who comes in the box and
puts the parts on the car for you.

Peter

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I think you should keep the prices. You might discourage non list members
 if they can't find a price.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:56:04 -0500 Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I am seriously thinking of removing prices from the web site and just
 saying that I will beat anyone's advertised price. What do ya'll think?
 Especially since I carry so much that isn't even on the site. The web
 actually only does about 10% of my total volume anyway. Suggestions?

 I find them somewhat helpful, as in finding an upper bound of what parts
 will cost.

 How about posting a conspicuous note (maybe on each page next to the
 prices) saying, I will be these and anyone else's advertised prices if
 you call me at (800) 741-5252! ?


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Glow Plug Lifespan??

[Peter Hertzing]

I am with Curt on this one.  As I shared in a different thread - I replaced
all of mine for reasons I don't remember this summer and it starts GREAT,
like when I got back from driving a bus for 10 hours back and forth to
Chicago the other night and it was 4AM and the car was frosty.  One 30
second glow and I was on the road heading to my warm bed.  Pretty cheap
insurance in my book. (And in the case being discussed far cheaper then
marriage counseling.)

Peter

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Marshall and I used to fight about this. I'd suggested replacing all the
 plugs pro-actively every 50,000 miles or so and always replacing all of
 them at once. He was of the mind that you need only replace them when they
 failed and only replace those that had failed.

 Under Marshall's rule I had to replace plugs in the dark at -10F once.
 NEVER AGAIN!

 Both of my cars have plugs that are right around 1 year and 20,000 miles
 old. At the first sign of problems all 4 in a car will be replaced at the
 earliest possible opportunity. Theres nothing less fun than trying to start
 a car without all the glowplugs...

 -Curt

 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:43:17 -0600
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 They live until they die.  some quickly, others list long. varies by
 type and manufacturer too.


 Howdy --
  My 91 300D needed new GPs in 2006 at around 100K Miles.  This
 week I noticed it wasn't starting as crisply as normal and tonight
 my wife tried to come home and it would not start.  As luck would
 have it I had planned to replace the GPs in the morning.  Oops!
 Just one day too late!

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Re: [MBZ] Chicken (-poo) Wagon

[Peter Hertzing]

I have been pleasantly surprised this year.  For some reason I don't
remember now I replaced all 5 glow plugs this summer when I was driving the
miata during warm weather, and then found a used relay.  Worked great...
Now its 25 degrees here this morning, not plugged in and it starts great.
No problems all week, starts on the first shot.  Lets hope rusty isn't
reading, but I bought Bosch glow plugs on fleabay for $28 bucks for the set
of 5.  Well worth it considering how its starting this winter so far.

Sounds like you one upped me since your cost is 000..

Peter

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 I got home from work Thursday and it was about 25 degrees outside and
 I knew Jill was going to rehearsal within minutes, and yet I found the
 car not plugged in!  I'd _told_ her, repeatedly, that it needed 30 minutes
 to an hour of preheat in this kind of weather in order to start reliably,
 and yet...somehow it would be my fault.  Yeah.  So I plugged it in.

 Sure enough, within 5 minutes she was ready to go but the car wasn't.
 We fought it awhile and really gave the battery a workout, I even went
 so far as to point a space heater down its throat but no good.  It
 half-caught at times and really filled the air with a stinking cloud
 of vaporized diesel, but there was no running that night.  I noticed
 that the glow plug light was no longer coming on, which was not a good
 sign.  We finally gave up and she drove off, late, in a huff in the
 Frankenheap (_not_ her favorite car, though it was all warmed up and
 has the happy Christmas lights); I put the battery on charge.

 The next morning I went out in the 25 degree cold, rigged some lights,
 and tested the glow plugs.  Two of the five, #'s 3-4, were open
 circuits.  Yeah, no way that'd start in this weather!  (We may finally
 be seeing some fallout from the car's poor-man's violet-wire afterglow
 system.)  I went to the parts pile to see what, if anything, I had
 on-hand in that line, and found five pencil-type that weren't
 obviously labeled for the OM60x engines.  Two Bosch 0 250 201 039, two
 Autolite 1103, and one Beru 0 100 221 138.  The Bosch, at least,
 cross-reference to this car.  I was able to replace #3 easily enough
 with a used Bosch plug, but I ran out of time on #4, it's hard to get
 a 12mm wrench on it securely enough to not round it off.  I did get
 the wire off of it, at least.

 ...After work I came home a bit early to get enough time to finish the
 job before Jill had to go to orchestra.  I was able to get an open-end
 wrench on the bad plug and break it loose.  It was a pain walking it
 out half a flat at a time, but I eventually prevailed.  The new (used
 Bosch) plug went in easily and I got it all connected back up.  (The
 block heater'd been on all day, the engine was pleasantly warm to work
 on though it was still about 25 degrees outside.)  I tested the plugs
 with the ohmmeter and all were good, then I used the Fluke current
 clamp and a bit of 10-gauge wire to feed power to them serially
 through the connector plug from the big fuse screw.  All drew 20-25 A
 at first, dropping down to about 14 A over a period of some seconds.
 I then buttoned up the car and started it.  No problems and less than
 half a second of cranking was required.  It didn't really want to shut
 off, however, and I didn't see any problems in the vacuum connections
 from working on it.  It's just really cold, and whatever leak it has
 is most unhappy in the cold.  That will need addressing soon,
 methinks.

 The car started for her just fine and off she drove...  When she got
 back (late) she reported that all was well.

 -- Jim



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[MBZ] S-Class recomended to replace towncar

[Peter Hertzing]

Good Morning all:

Just had a chance to sit down with a cup of coffee and read for the first
time this week.  In the December issue of Limo Digest (Trade magazine for
those of us in Livery Service) an extensive article recommends the S Class
3.0V6 to replace the discontinued towncar.  At a tested 33 MPG highway
(remember us livery folks generally stick to the speed limit and try not to
upset our passengers with jack rabbit starts), they feel the additional
$25,000 sticker price will be offset in reduced maint and fuel cost over
the life of the vehicle.  By no means can I afford one but I will keep you
posted as they are doing a 500,000 mile analysis of the costs.

The towncars have always been very good to me, delivering 25MPG
consistently and having very low maint expense with the exception of fords
famously poor front ends which you can count on spending about $2000 on
every 100,000 miles.  Not sure where the s-class is built maybe some one
here knows, but the towncar was built in Canada and I suspect over the
years was down to having less American content then a Toyota Camry.  At
first Glance you get a pain in your gut that the traditional American
luxury is being replaced with Germany Luxury but after the logical side of
your brain kicks in using an S-Class for American livery may create more
American jobs then the towncar was.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] S-Class recomended to replace towncar

[Peter Hertzing]

this was for black cars or sedans no necesarily streches.  most have
gone with monster suvs as of late.  I still have a good 6 years left
with my towncar strtch fleet

On 11/20/11, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes:

 Is Binz still around?

 Looks like it http://www.binz-limousines.com/

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Re: [MBZ] S-Class recomended to replace towncar

[Peter Hertzing]

mine too. when people call asking for them I always say I don't have
one, but I do have a school bus.  loooks the same rides the same

On 11/20/11, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes:

 this was for black cars or sedans no necesarily streches.  most have
 gone with monster suvs as of late.

 Yeah I've seen the stretch Hummers.  Absurd, if you want my opinion.

 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 190D 2.2 acceleration

[Peter Hertzing]

maybe the cop mistoke diesel smoke for burning rubber

On 11/18/11, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 What would you guess the 0-60 time would be for a 84 190D 2.2 auto?  Kid
 got a ticket today for accelerating too fast getting onto the highway.
 Didnt even know that would be illegal.  Not for not stopping at the stop
 sign, not for speeding, but accelerating too fast.  WTF??

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Re: [MBZ] Hybrids

[Peter Hertzing]

I Agree with total rant below. If I ride my bike all summer around town
instead of driving for short trips I'll do more then any hybrid.  This
reminds me of something that happened at church a couple years ago.
Everyone was chatting after service and wanted what we could do as a faith
community to promote love for mother earth.  I suggested everyone who could
resonably walk to church walk to church when the weather allowed.  People
looked at me like I had two heads.  Some one else wanted to plant a
garden.  we ended up plantign a flower garden.

Peter

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I object, to the whole load of echotrash that is pushed down or up our
 respective orifices.

 The entire hybrid industry is driven by government subsidy and self
 serving regulation. NO hybrid vehicle, if you truly look at the support
 industries that are necessary to produce and maintain it, is non
 pollution.

 Further, if you add up all the hybrid cars in the entire world today or
 even add in every one produced and sold in the next 10 years, the total
 carbon footprint saved would not offset ONE trip of a fully loaded cargo
 container ship from China to USA and return.  All the while we are doing
 all the feel good cause we are green and spending billions to do it, we
 are shipping jobs and industries to third world countries that don't give a
 damn about a little chemical spill or exhaust emissions that literally
 choke you because it's easier and more profitable to do that than it is to
 go green to meet some asinine EPA regulation or the EU equivalent.

 If we truly want to go green, stop cutting down trees and start planting
 more crops to breathe in the CO2 and scrub the atmosphere.  If I go to
 Europe and drive a car, most likely it's a diesel and most likely it gets
 over 40 mpg... yet I can't buy that same care in USA?
 Instead, I get a chevy volt or a Prius that barely pulls out of the
 driveway under it's own power, costs $70,000 in real dollars to own and
 support.

 I'm not drinking all this go green coolaid

 Rant over.
 Grant...
 AZ

 On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:

  If you are going up a long grade such as Donner
  Pass eastbound or the Grapevine (Tejon Pass) in California, could you
 make
  it to the top with a 20 hp diesel, a relatively small battery, and a full
  load?
  Gerry
 
  From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
 
  The 'correct' hybrid has a diesel engine sized to move
  the vehicle down the road at highway speed, fully loaded
  and with a few ponies to spare, and sufficient battery
  capacity to handle normal acceleration and regenerative
  braking needs.  And, obviously, sufficient electric
  motorage to give the desired driveability characteristics.
 
  Not REV, not a big diesel with a little electric motor.
  Not a gasser of any sort.
 
  The batteries are the most evil part of a hybrid, you
  want to minimize them.  Average drive power is all fuel,
  all peak needs met electrically.  HVAC completely traditional,
  driven off the diesel.  Diesel can stop at lights, if the
  battery charge is sufficient and you have a coolant
  circulation pump ala MB to heat during stops from
  residual engine heat.  Motor will start if cabin starts
  to cool.  (Webasto-style fueled heater even better, but is
  a bit on the expensive side.  Will forgo.  Must use diesel
  waste heat rather than fuel when available, anyway.)
 
  I'm thinking a 20HP diesel with maybe 100HP of electric
  motor.  The diesel needn't be a turbo, but if it's more
  efficient on the highway with one then it should have it.
  Battery pack relatively small, would only take you a few
  miles on its own.
 
  _That_, in AWD sedan form, I might buy.  Provided it had
  a traditional fail-safe key switch and no stupid shrubbery
  on the dash.  And got an honest 60 MPG.
 
  -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?

[Peter Hertzing]

I'm in this school of thought.  The purchase price of most of my cars is
small enough that it doesn't matter compared to the upkeep and initial
fixing.  Once I am bored with it, let it go.  Normally I get about what I
paid a couple years earlier.  Wife is in the opposite school of thought.
She sees no reason to ever change cars unless the current one becomes so
unpleasant to drive that it is annoying.  Oddly enough - outside of being
totally unreliable, reliability doesn't seem to be an issue to her, just so
long as the unreliability is predictable.  Her rule is Air, Power Steering
and Auto Tranny.  Outside of that anything goes.  Her tolerance for my toys
is high - (good thing) and her only founding automotive principle is that
all payments must be avoided and non running cars are limited to parts to
be removed and the shell\ has to be sent on.

I enjoy tinkering so I get a new old car every couple of years - fix it up
a little here and there - trying to keep it as cheap as possible.  My
communte i about 25K a year so it doesn't take long to get them pretty
reliable, and then I pass them on to someone else.  I'm only on my second
Mercedes and I still own both of them.

Peter

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:44 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 For me, the time to abandon a car is when I don't want to fix it anymore.
 It's just that simple. The old cars area as much a hobby as they are
 transportation. We've owned two new cars over the years - a '74 Opel that
 my wife purchased a few months before we met, and the '97 van that we
 bought for her after many cold winters in a '78 VW bus. As I look back on
 all the cars, the two that we bought new have been the most reliable and
 have needed the least maintenance. Perhaps that's luck, perhaps it's that I
 do all the maintenance on them.
 I'm about to enter a new hobby, and am re-thinking my older MBs -- and
 wondering if the advice an old indie used to give his customers when they
 asked what car should I buy? - he told them to buy a new MB and drive it
 the rest of their life (I don't know if that's the car's or the owner's
 life).
 I don't want to have to work on a car when I could be working on the
 Tailwind.
 A new TDI is under consideration, but I hate to not have an MB - so the
 cheapest C class is also in consideration. I do wish they sold the C class
 in the US with a CDI engine ---

 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  I have no problem with conserving a nice car but don't tell me you
 can't
  drive it in the winter, thats lame.
 
  I've been driving diesels for the last 8 years, the newest was an '85,
  also an '84 and '83 and now a '78 which I'm daily driving right now
 because
  my '84 needs a carrier bearing.
 
  You COULD drive your car, plug in the block heater and it'll be warm
  enough to start in an hour or two, synthetic oil would help but is not
  required, the last winter I drove my '83 I used conventional oil.
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:59:28 -0600
  From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] A lost cause?
  Message-ID: 4ec18f40.3050...@bennell.ca
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
  On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
   Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
  
   -Curt
  
  
  My car is too old and too nice to subject it to our winters.
  And, the old diesels do not start like the newer ones when it gets
  really cold. Double batteries might help but even then, I believe I
  might have issues that are best avoided.
 
  Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] MB's US CEO canned/sin binned

[Peter Hertzing]

That about covers it.  And these foreign bribes are significantly different
then meals, trips and campaign donations by Political actions committees who
would never consider trying to influence a member of government with said
gifts.  Just Saying.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Allan Streib wrote:

 The WSJ report said the company was operating with extreme sensitivity
 to proper expense accounting after reaching a truce of sorts with the
 USA over bribes paid in eastern europe.  Why the USA would care, or have
 any authority over MB paying bribes in eastern europe was not clear to
 me.


 We have federal laws against bribing foreign officials, including countries
 where it is impossible to do business without greasing the proper palm.

 Just a small part of the USA government's efforts to appoint itself the
 planet's chief of police.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Peter Hertzing]

As a Hospital I can attest that we are required to be able to run on
generator power only, at 80% load for 72 hours.That - my friends - is alot
of diesel fuel.  We have two fo these and we actually have the ability to
run all of the required equipment for 5 days and stuff thats not required on
a seperate generator - such as Air conditioning for about 72 hours.

Peter

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Actually, some do.

 Hospitals and government buildings are required by code to have a minimum
 amount of fuel on site based on full load consumption over a fixed period of
 time.

 I saw plenty of places in my day that had large fuel supplies, mainly
 because the tanks were cheap at the time of construction or the specifying
 engineer though that more must be better!

 The major problem with large volumes of diesel is keeping it stable over
 long periods of time.

 If you think getting algae in your MB tank is a mess, try the same in a
 10,000 gallon tank.

 It spreads rapidly, and in a matter of days will destroy the system and do
 some major damage to the fuel system if it isn't caught and remediated
 before running the unit.

 Not a pretty sight to see, and VERY expensive to fix.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

  On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:05 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  The definition of standby service uses the phrase for the duration of
  the outage.
 
  No time frame is specified.
 
  But one is assumed... most people don't put 10,000 gallon fuel tanks
  on their standby generators to cover the case of the power being out
  for a year.
 
  Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Chi-town followup

[Peter Hertzing]

Best of luck to you.  Keep us midwesterners posted.  My in-laws are in
chicago so I spend alot of time in that neck of the woods.

Peter

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So last Thursday I went to Chi-Town. My friend there really played it up
 for me so it was difficult to force myself to remember to think about the
 place as if I'd be living there.

 Its a very clean city, or at least it was where we were in the west loop
 and down to Navy Pier. In Boston even a tourist area like Navy Pier would
 never been cleaned and I don't think there are any urban areas as clean as
 the west loop. I also made my friend go on the subway which she doesn't
 normally do but again I wanted to know what it'd be like. Much cleaner than
 the T in Boston.

 I'm pretty well sold, theres a ton at the place I work now that pisses me
 off. I'm sure thats true everywhere but I'd love to tell this place to screw
 itself. The big question will be if they come through with enough money to
 allow me to keep my un-sellable house and afford a decent apartment in
 Chicago.

 For the Chi-Town resident listers I didn't get to meet I'll catch you next
 time, this was a super quick trip. I didn't even take time off from work,
 rolled into Chicago, worked from my friend's apartment all day, interviewed
 Friday, did a little sight-seeing Saturday and home Saturday afternoon...

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[Peter Hertzing]

Thanks for the suggestion - but since this is my first diesel - and many
others but me drive it - (I own a limo and bus company and frequently send a
driver down the road in it to get 10 hours of rest before I show up and let
them relieve me and I drive back) I better not do anything too quirky or
someone is going to be somewhere south of the middle of nowhere and kill the
battery cranking without the benefit of glow.  I have everyone trained to
turn the ignition to the on position and then buckle there seatbelt adjust
the seat and then crank.  Seems to work.

At least know one has killed the battery yet.

Peter
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:33 AM, David  Kristin Gilmore 
dandkgilm...@frontier.com wrote:

 At 11:08 PM 10/1/2011, Peter wrote:

 Well - back where we were.  I now have no glow intermittently.  If the
 light
 comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting
 engine - better then ever.  If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and
 very
 obviously no glow slow start.  Anyone have a used Known good relay they
 will
 sell me?



 No relay for sale here, but I posted a solution back on 11/2/10 -
 bypass the MB relay with a fender mounted starter relay of the Ford type and
 a push button dash switch.  Total cost about $20.  Still working fine on my
 83 300 SD.

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[Peter Hertzing]

Well - back where we were.  I now have no glow intermittently.  If the light
comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting
engine - better then ever.  If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and very
obviously no glow slow start.  Anyone have a used Known good relay they will
sell me?

Peter

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:

 Guess there is no arguing with accidentally doing something better than the
 factory intended.

 Mike
  On Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
  'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed
 out

  right now to do it again. ;))
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
 
 
  On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
  She replied, Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit.
  'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer.
 
  Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt
  buzzer as the glow buzzer. Waiting to crank until it stops
  guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to
  worry about whether the logic in the relay that determines how long
  to turn on the idiot light is working correctly.
 
  Alex
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[Peter Hertzing]

5  1983 300d

On 10/1/11, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:08:35 -0500 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Well - back where we were.  I now have no glow intermittently.  If the
 light comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly
 starting engine - better then ever.  If it doesnt' come on I have no
 glow - and very obviously no glow slow start.  Anyone have a used Known
 good relay they will sell me?

 What kind of engine? 4 or 5 cylinders?


 Craig

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[MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow)

[Peter Hertzing]

Hello

1983 300D.  Glow Plug light was going off very quickly after ignition was
turned on and hard starting on cool mornings - pulled glow plugs found
2 dead - replaced all 5.  After replacement the light will not light at all
and it is not glowing (which happened rarely before replacement).  There is
power to the glow plug distribution box fuse on the front drivers side wheel
well, but no power going out to the glow plugs.  Is this an issue with the
Glow Plug pre glow relay?  Where is it on this car?  Thanks in advance
for the help.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow)

[Peter Hertzing]

Could be - but I don't see a fuse listed that covers it on the fuse box.
The fuse or fuseable link by the power distribution box has power on both
sides.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 Fuse?
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow)

[Peter Hertzing]

the fuse in the box on te driver side wheel well?

On 9/28/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 A going bad fuse might have power on both sides but won't pass the
 amps.  CHANGE YOUR FUSE

 --R

 On 9/28/11 12:20 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote:
 Could be - but I don't see a fuse listed that covers it on the fuse box.
 The fuse or fuseable link by the power distribution box has power on both
 sides.

 On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Max
 Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 Fuse?
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow)

[Peter Hertzing]

thanks for the reminder to disconnect the battery

On 9/28/11, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 When you change it out be careful...it's hot.
 John

 On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 the fuse in the box on te driver side wheel well?

 On 9/28/11, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 A going bad fuse might have power on both sides but won't pass the
 amps.  CHANGE YOUR FUSE

 --R

 On 9/28/11 12:20 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote:
 Could be - but I don't see a fuse listed that covers it on the fuse box.
 The fuse or fuseable link by the power distribution box has power on
 both
 sides.

 On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Max
 Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 Fuse?
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow)

[Peter Hertzing]

what is the proper name?

in this case wouldn't the glow light come on?  it doesn't at all.

Peter

On 9/28/11, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 What Rich said, but the correct size is 80 amps, located in the box you call
 a distribution point for the glow plugs.  Remove it (two phillips screws)
 and gently flex it a little; they can crystallize and crack with age.  Look
 fine, pass a little voltage but not enough amps.
 --
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 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote:

Could be - but I don't see a fuse listed that covers it on the fuse
box.
The fuse or fuseable link by the power distribution box has power on
both
sides.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Max Dillon
meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow)

[Peter Hertzing]

yes.  and it is on top of the relay correct

On 9/28/11, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes:

 what is the proper name?

 Fusible link.

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Peter Hertzing]

When I got home from work today - I checked again and still no glow light
and no power to the glow plugs.  I hooked up a charger to the battery
although it seemed fine I have been messing around with it for a couple days
so I figured it can't hurt. Then I played with the fuse and tapped the relay
and such - and now the light comes on for about 2 seconds but It seems to be
glowing normally.
So
Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds?
Otherwise starts nice and smooth.

Thanks for all the suggestions and help

Peter

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Before you change the fuse, carefully check the wires to all the glow
 plugs.  I find often a terminal rotates when you tighten down the nut on the
 glow plug, and makes contact with the head, or other metal part.  Then when
 you turn the key on , the fuse blows, and you don't know why.  Change the
 fuse again , and it blows again.




 yes.  and it is on top of the relay correct

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  Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes:

  what is the proper name?


  Fusible link.

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Re: [MBZ] How can you tell I work in a building with many doctor's offices?

[Peter Hertzing]

I manage a group of physicians for a small rural hospital - our parking lot
doesn't look like that.  My most senior doc drives the car he bought for his
family when he got out of residency - a 1990 Suburban that he has now hand
painted with a can of spray paint from wal-mart.  over 300K.  One does have
a nice quad cab dually diesel GM - but she also has a farm that justifys
said truck, one guy drives a sunfire.  One guy drives on of those old buick
big sports cars from the 80s, cant remember what they were called. and a 12
year old nissan quest rounds out the group. My 83 300d is still the oldest
in the lot and I plan to keep it that way.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Are those plugins (for block heaters) ?



 On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
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  http://i131.photobucket.com/**albums/p294/oldsub86/**lookingright.jpg
 http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/lookingright.jpg
 
  http://i131.photobucket.com/**albums/p294/oldsub86/**LookingLeft.jpg
 http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/LookingLeft.jpg
 
  I took these with my cellphone camera as I was leaving for lunch today.
 
  Looking left we see a new Audi coupe and a Porshe Turbo.
 
  If you look at the back of the photo you can see my tan coloured F150
  Supercrew.
 
  Looking right, there is a MB S550 4matic in the foreground and then
 behind
  it, a BMW and a Range Rover and then another BMW and a Caddilac Escalade
 and
  then to the right another BMW crossover thing.
 
  Interesting enough but I think these all belong to men except for the
  Escalade. The women Doctors in the building tend to drive mini vans.
 
  Not all are Drs. The S550 and the Range Rover and at least one of the
 BMW's
  belong to orthodontists and a dentist.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Peter Hertzing]

OKay - I'm sure two of the ones I removed were shot cause with a quick test
they didn't glow at all.  I hope none of the new ones are bad - but this is
close to what it was doing before - so I have to lean towards relay.  I'll
check with an ampmeter tommorow.

Peter

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Peter Hertzing wrote:

 Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds?
 Otherwise starts nice and smooth.


 The short light cycle is supposed to tell you that the current drain to the
 plugs is not balanced. If all the plugs are new, then either one is
 defective, or you have a loose connection somewhere between the relay and
 one of the plugs, or the relay isn't quite right anymore.

 I discovered another reason for the short light on my W116:
 When I replaced an old mini dual terminal battery that seemed to be
 starting the car OK with a new group 49 full size battery, the glow
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300D exhaust blockage (was: 603 filter change, cranking forever)

[Peter Hertzing]

I bought a Toyota Celica on flebay once with a totally clogged cat.  I just
disconnected it at the manifold - strapped it up and drove it around the
block to confirm that it was the cat that was the issue.  It was, the
neighbors were annoyed - but I cleaned out the cat and it ran great.

Peter

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote:
  I have to say I think its quite wierd that this was practically an over
  night chane for you. Sure nobody shoved a banana up the tailpipe?

 No, I may not have made that clear early on... the car sat for about a
 year.  Banana attacks are very unlikely out in the country where I
 live, unless the coyotes or raccoons have gotten a lot smarter
 recently.  Mice far more likely.

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[Peter Hertzing]

Yes - the best description comes form Lee Iaccoca SP?, in his auto
biography.  he says (give or take its from memory) One day the marketing
guys a Cadillac realized the average age of their customer was between 75
and deceased so they ordered enough leather and gold trip to turn a caviler
into a Cadillac.  And walla, you had the cimmeron.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Cimmeron, it was just a J car (sunbird, cavalier)

 On 8/20/2011 2:52 PM, WILTON wrote:

 Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac?  If not, what was that POS
 called, other than POS, that is?

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick 
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 Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation


 The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to  make
 junk parts and cheat on everything.  The sheetmetat was crap,  the plastic
 parts weren't made right (and the managers at the  production plants lied
 about it) quality control was about par with a  Soviet factory, etc.

 The design wasn't too bad, they got decent milage, and if not made  from
 trash they'd have been decent cars for 1980.

 I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard  parts,
 but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000  miles on it
 working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz.

 Peter

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Re: [MBZ] green antifreeze

[Peter Hertzing]

I sure hope not.  In my years of mechanical experience every GM with the
Dex-Cool that had never been changed had a leaking heater core.  Big bucks
and a pain to fix.

Peter

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
 wrote:
  The worst for plastics is the Dexcool/Orange stuff.  I used that once in
 a VW Jetta
  and all the plastic hose adapters on the head started leaking within 6
 months.
 

 Didn't GM invent Dex-Cool and push it as the be-all-and-end-all of
 antifreeze, nontoxic and never needing to be changed?

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] green antifreeze

[Peter Hertzing]

Honestly - I think you have hit the issue right on the head - Replace.  If
your changing your fluid every 2 years - I don't think it will ever be an
issue.  When I was in college and a little later my wife and I had a 1985
Vanagon camper.  Everyone we knew who had one complained about the cooling
system leaking left and right and the heads getting eaten by the GM Dex -
cool coolant.  I drove that van up to 220K - bought it used - with no
cooling issues thanks to annual changes of coolant and keeping it under 65
MPH.  It was a blast.  But moral of long winded story - change the coolant.
No such thing as lifetime fluids.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I sure hope not.  In my years of mechanical experience every GM with the
  Dex-Cool that had never been changed had a leaking heater core.  Big
 bucks
  and a pain to fix.
 

 So what's the best thing to replace it with?  GO-5?

 Alex

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Peter Hertzing]

Vivaldi and I wouldn't look back

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Mozart and Wagner, without exception.

 Puccini when it comes to opera.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

  astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with
 Ludwig.
 
  The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in his
 style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because Classical is a
 style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different
 eras/styles.  Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to
 compare them.   It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure?
  When the question might be who is the greatest football player?  It's
 pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player.  Likewise, it
 is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods.
 
  So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And
 arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole
 Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some
 people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is
 incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict  formalities of
 the classical periods.  He might be a transition between the two.   For me,
 the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Peter Hertzing]

Well - I played the Cello in my younger years... back when I had limited
talent instead of none, and vivaldi had a huge number of things that I found
to be just amazing.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The V Man is up there, but I think Mo had more range as far as composition.

 Just my 0.02 shekels.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote:

  Vivaldi and I wouldn't look back
 
  On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Mozart and Wagner, without exception.
 
  Puccini when it comes to opera.
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
 
  astrasfogel wrote: So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat
 with
  Ludwig.
 
  The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in
 his
  style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because Classical
 is a
  style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different
  eras/styles.  Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult
 to
  compare them.   It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports
 figure?
  When the question might be who is the greatest football player?  It's
  pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player.  Likewise,
 it
  is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods.
 
  So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And
  arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole
  Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some
  people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that
 is
  incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict
  formalities of
  the classical periods.  He might be a transition between the two.   For
 me,
  the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner.
 
 
  Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Trip report

[Peter Hertzing]

not sure how this will go over w the wife but the american packard
museum in dayton is awsome!

On 7/28/11, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 At this moment I am in Dayton oh, stopping for the night. Just a hair under
 half a tank and have 405 miles on the tank

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 28, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:



 Btw in Indiana now got 213 down to 3/4 tank

 Where are you guys gonna stop?
 If you are close...

 Rick

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Peter Hertzing]

I have literally logged thousands of driving hours in one of these and they
are no more unstable then most other trucks or vans, but I think if you look
at most of the accidents most were tied to mechanical or tire failure. I
have never had a wreck in one - but the next group that took one many years
ago when I was a youth director rolled one after I left a note with the
rental company that one of the rear tires had sidewall damage.

Like any mode of transportation its all about the maintenance.

I have never talked my own wife into it, but I think the perfect care would
be a retired 6 passenger limo for the family - seats 6 in back 2 in front
with a TV and a DIVIDER.

What else could you ask for.

Peter

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:

 Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel.  The vehicle
 doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck.  They are no more
 unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load.  Still just a truck and will
 never handle like a car.

 Mike
 On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
  Just google search passenger van instability issues and see what comes
 up.
 
  I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that
  was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of
  these vans and it was involved in an accident.
 
  Randy
 
  On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote:
  Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.
  I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*
 
  -- Philip
  On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
 
  Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
  pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
  don't use it for the fam.
  Randy Bennell wrote:
 
  I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
  not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
  There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
  They tend to be unstable.
  Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
  is there? Two vehicles?
 
  -- Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Peter Hertzing]

Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for?

Stupidly yours

Peter

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

 You could just stand up and say Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever
 I dammed well please, call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up
 on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull
 those eBay ads and get to work.


 BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from
 I90...

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
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 OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
 every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
 buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

 Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby
 as much as a means of transport.

 Randy

 On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
  Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe
 at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need
 should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then
 maybe they will have something to complain about
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Clay,
Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home
  wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or
 hanging
  out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could be
 much,
  much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.
 
  Mike
  On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, redghostredgh...@comcast.net  wrote:
  Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to
  redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
  for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have
  the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
  Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.
 
  Clay

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Re: [MBZ] Alternation WAS: In praise of old alternator shops

[Peter Hertzing]

Yea - My limo's kinda eat Alternator's due to very warm underhood conditions
and escessive idling, oh yea and lets of cooling fans, heater fans, and
lights radios tvs and stereo's.  So anyway, I have a great 1 day rebuild
shop in the next town that can turn any of these things around like FAST.  I
love them and always have a spare on the shelf - swap em out and send the
old over for rebuild.

Cools

Peter

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 A common problem with /5 BMWs was lack of battery charging due to the idiot
 light on the dash burning out.  Without the light, the field gets no
 juice, so the alternator spins but does not produce alternating current.  It
 sounds like Dave's tractor had the same problem.  It also holds true for MBs
 gen idiot lights.  The light makes the field circuit.  If the light does
 not come on when you turn the key on before you start the car, then you have
 no alternator alternating.

 Check that the dash idiot lights are on, especially the Gen light before
 you hit the starter.


 My farm tractor refused to start the other day after a break from
 mowing hay.  Ratti tat tat was all the starter would do.  Which meant a
 couple mile hike back to the house to get a vehicle to jump start it.  This
 gave me time to contemplate Dr. Booth's wisdom on batteries; a new one every
 five years will keep you from being stranded.  This one was nine years old,
 $150 and the heaviest battery I have lifted in my 71 years.

 Two days later it happened again.  Fortunately it was at home this
 time.  Sure enough, no output from the alternator.  I had used up that new
 battery charge in starts and running the cab AC.  So I jump started it again
 and didn't shut it down until I had finished with the hay.

 So by now it is Sunday and only new-age parts stores like AutoZone are
 open.  I have seen them test alternators there.  Will they test mine?  No.
  They were very young and friendly about it but explained they had no
 specs on it so they couldn't test it.

 The next day I went to a traditional alternator/starter rebuild place
 where a middle aged man quickly tested it, found it working and explained
 how the wiring to the dash light was likely at fault. He explained how i
 could jury rig it temporarily.  No charge.  Like most of these places
 everything was dark and there were boxes of used machine parts.  These guys
 can unzip an alternator so fast you can barely follow it.  These are men to
 trust.

 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E350 Wagon for sale

[Peter Hertzing]

Yea - to each his own.  Most of the guys at work with a great amount of
respect at my ability to avoid car payments - chide me abou the K car looks
of my 95 E320 wagon.  I like it but I have to admit - it looks alot like the
86 Dodge Aries K that I learned how to drive in

Peter

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 That would work, the mounting instructions from WIS and diagrams from the
 EPC would get you most of the way there.

 Max
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 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

  Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Max Dillon wrote:
  I know a website that probably has the hitch (in Italy); shipping will be
 a bear.

 I always figured the easy way was to get a picture of the hitch to see how
 it
 mounts to the car, and then build a replica right on the car, tack-welding
 the
 pieces together as you go. Then unbolt it from the car and get it welded
 properly.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] VERY nice 1995 Mercedes E320

[Peter Hertzing]

This is making me laugh - - Just this weekend I noticed my Miata was running
pretty crappy rough starts and such.  Classic bad spark plugs.  I thought
Geez - I just did the spark plugs - right when I bought this car.  That was
5 years ago.  I have never kept a car for 5 years.  New plugs Saturday
morning and its like a new car.

Peter

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 Mitch wrote:  Who had July 2011 in the Don Dumps His New Car pool?
 Did anybody bet that late?

 I managed to keep this car for 18 months!

 By the way, I did take several new pictures today - about 30 min ago.

 Donald H. Snook
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