Re: [MBZ] RIP Panzermeister
That's sad to hear. Seemed to be a good guy based on the limited interaction I had with him. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Chuck had a winning 116 300SD he called the Panzerwagen. That is the source of the Panzer reference. Today I paged to near the back of the current issue of the STAR. There is a full page memorial to Chuck L. That article does not appear to be online. From the Desert Stars Section: Jan 16, 2015 It is a sad day as we have lost a dear member of our Desert Stars. Chuck Landenberger, has passed away. Chuck was extremely active with the Desert Stars and when he moved to Hawaii, helped restart that section. If anyone wishes to express their personal condolences, you may contact Chuck's daughter at the following address: Janene Aumiller 14141 West 72nd Ave Arvada, Co 80005 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT faucets
I had a delta kitchen faucet corrode from the inside in just 6 yrs. total garbage. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Don't buy plumbing stuff at the box stores, it's invariably the worst possible grade available. Go to a standard pluming supply company, the one your local plumbers use. Slightly higher prices, but vastly better stuff. I need to do this myself, I grabbed a Delta from the box store last year because the old one was leaking into the basement and it's a pain to get to the plumber's supply from work (they close at 5). I'm sorry I did, it's flimsy and the temperature control is pretty much full hot or full cold, the range where there is mixing is about 10% of the travel of the tap. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More on from the global warming conspiracy front
I would guess that hundreds, if not thousands, of years worth of data would be necessary to be able to make sense of any significant weather patterns. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So how many years of data would you like before you're persuaded we have a problem, let alone convinced? is it worth the risk pretending this problem is merely cyclical and will go away in, say, another 36 years? On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Come on Andrew, do you read any of the stuff you post? Lowest-ever wintertime level since records began in 1979. Wow. 36 years worth of data. Typical low information voter response: OH NO, in 36 years we've NEVER seen such low ice!!! Quick, we've got to impose draconian costs on all Americans (especially the poor and middle class) to drive up their basic energy costs to keep their houses warm, cook food, and drive their cars to work. THAT will work FOR SURE Give me a break ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew, The data is being cooked in order to keep the billions of research dollars flowing for global warming / climate change / anthropogenic global warming. Past temperature data has either been adjusted to make the past colder (which means we MUST be warmer now, right) or past data which doesn't fit the models predictions is conveniently deleted from the computations... https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/temperature-adjustments-at-uscrn1-stations/ In case you've missed this in the past, here is a list of 1000 REAL scientists who disagree with the contention that CO2 is going to destroy the earth: http://cfact.org/pdf/2010_Senate_Minority_Report.pdf If you don't care to read all 321 pages of that report, here's just a sample of what is inside: Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia’s CSIRO’s (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research, rejected man-made global warming fears in October 2009. Reid bluntly called the climate fear movement “a new religion that has grown out of secular humanism.” He explained that “Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing the new faith.” Reid explained: “My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a physicist who has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science is. In effect the scientific method has been abandoned in this field. Back in the early 1990s when I was still working for the CSIRO and the early versions of the AGW theory started to gain currency, I was rather bemused by the passions which were aroused in my colleagues and the gullibility with which predictions of future climate disaster were accepted.” He added: “In effect a new religion has grown out of secular humanism. Global warming is the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the Resurrection is the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing the new faith. Meteorologists regularly test model ‘skill’. Climatologists don’t seem to have a concept of testing, and prefer to use the term ‘verification’ instead—that is, they do not seek to invalidate their models; they only seek supporting evidence.” Take care, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Starbucks is in NASCAR now?
Starbux makes my heart race. Coffee too strong. Yuck. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: HA! I can just picture Bubba asking Barista-Babe about racing and the interesting exchange that will follow. - Max where's my espresso? Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical manipulation of data can skew results. I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own eyes. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:58:14 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm going to have to agree. Show me the warmth, show me the money. If I'm not experiencing warm weather I won't buy that the earth is warming. I was on board with global warming until recent weather patterns have caused massive doubt in my mind. Glad to see you are keeping your thinking cap on and aren't buying the Kool-Aid, Dimitri. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Big chil indeed.
And selling them our oil doesn't help either. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nothing we do is going to make much difference, IF it is a matter of oil consumption etc, so long as places like China and India keep on as they are. Sending them truck loads of our money in order to pursuade them not to pollute is not likely to do much for either them or us. RB On 19/03/2015 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: I think there are 3 issues here that are getting muddled in all the chaff. First is whether the planet is warming up. Second is what the cause of (1) might be if it is happening. Third then is what to do about it. 1) is probably true, overall, it has been happening for quite some time, at least since the last ice age. 2) it makes some sense that putting stuff into the atmosphere (humans, volcanoes, cowfarts, etc.) probably has some effect on (1), but then there is old mister sun too, who has been around awhile 3) what annoys a lot of deniers is that the schemes so far seem to involve raising taxes and shoveling lots of money to whack schemes, campaign donors, turd-world kleptocrats, and various other leeches, in addition to various alternative energy and behavior schemes that might or might not involve the previously-mentioned miscreants and a diminishment of personal freedoms. I heard on the radio this morning that the esteemed president is going to announce something the gummint is going to do to reduce global warming emissions or something, this coming a few days after he and his lovely bride took separate big ol airplane rides out to California, to pretty much the same place at the same time, to be on 2 different TV shows. Very Important Stuff. Plus now she is over in Japan talking to school kids about Something Else Important no doubt, having taken the big ol airplane over again, and he has flown off again to do a campaign speech or fundraiser again or something equally important. So, that sorta has an effect on my views on the matter... --R On 3/19/15 10:25 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: I have a pretty decent background in science. In a prior life I did a good amount of research and have a healthy list of publications to prove it including first authorship in JAMA, the findings of which were published in TIME and first page Wall Street Journal. I'm no novice to how statistical manipulation of data can skew results. I will not believe that the world is warming unless I see it with my own eyes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog
Then Andrew better stay in DC! ;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2015, at 11:34 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Relocated animals seldom survive, -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:01 PM To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog Well, I lack the indignation to want to do it harm since the groundhog hasn't wrecked my yard YET. I'll trap and relocate it on county park land. On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A pellet gun would do the job real well, be real quiet and won't be terribly dangerous in a small backyard.I popped a ground hog right in the head last summer, it didn't kill him but I rang his bell well enough that that he took off and hasn't come back. That was just a cheap 10 pump Crossman, effective range maybe 30-40 feet, anything beyond that its really slowing down, you can watch the pellet arch through the air. I've got a B3 Chinese pellet gun thats a little more powerful than the Crossman and its a single pump which is nice. I need to work on the rear sight some and clean it up some so it makes more power. Dad gave it to me, he bought it at an auction for $16 so it is what it is. For $200 you can buy a really nice gun that'll fix ground hogs easy. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog A large ground hog was spotted sunning him/herself on the patio just outside my dining room sliding door. This is my first exposure to such an animal. What should I do? Will it dig up my foundation? Burrow under the deck? Eat all the earthworms? WTF. I have a haveaheart trap but don't know what to bait it with. 12 ga slug works incredibly well. If placed right, It will clean and gut it too. 20 Ga works well .22 is less likely to have the neighbors calling the popos. Bait the havahart with PB, apples, or greens of any sort. Broccoli should work well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ma ilman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ma ilman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailm an/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD
Did you try the nasty stuff with methylene chloride? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I may have askeed this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point response this time. Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher? I am unable to dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using several strippers. I am now willing to pay to get this done. Any recommendations? Or if you have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subject: Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD
Yes he is but doesn't the business live on? Also, I hear Madera Concepts does exceptional work. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Too bad Drew is dead Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Bob via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I may have asked this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point response this time. Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher? I am unable to dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using several strippers. I am now willing to pay to get this done. Any recommendations? Or if you have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten. My friend said he heated it up the wood finish meticulously scraped off the finish which IS impervious to stripping materials. Then he sprayed many layers of shellac -Color won't match exactly. The reason for the shellac is that it's thin enough to not build up in the slotted areas where you snap back the switches I guess you can find a light stain since shellac will darken a little bit. I have to do mine soon but I got another one off fleabay years ago to practice on Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood refinishing for zebrano console in my W123 300TD
What's going on in this place? We are talking about strippers touching wood! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Heritage Woodworks. Wouldn't let anyone else touch my wood. (Waiting for snarky comments) Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 18, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I may have askeed this before, but am hoping for at least one on-point response this time. Has anyone had a GOOD experience with a wood refinisher? I am unable to dent the poly whatever finish on the console wood in my 300TD, using several strippers. I am now willing to pay to get this done. Any recommendations? Or if you have first hand knowledge as a DIY project, I wil llisten. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Advice sought re: jumbo Eastern ground hog
You have a very serious problem. A groundhog infestation. There is no fix for that I'm afraid. I will take your house off your hands for free. After all what are friends for? Hahaha! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Uh Oh! Call the Realtor. Get the For Sale sign on the lawn quickly before the house caves in. RB On 17/03/2015 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Andrew, They are group animals. If you have one, and a food source, you will soon have more. They will burrow your entire yard is left alone., any crawl space under your house will represent safe haven for their den exits. Being ground animals, they collect the usual accumulation of things like ticks and fleas, while their tunnels will weaken the substructure of your foundation. When it rains, those tunnels provide a path for water which then will soften the soil compaction under your foundations.. then crack them as they shift... Or.. you could call your local PETA people and ask them to come feed and pet them for you.. your choice... Trap, and eliminate, would be the prudent choice, in my opinion. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres Car Hauler
And wasn't Curt looking for the engine out of one of those for some alpine mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jump on this, Kaleb: http://bringatrailer.com/2015/03/15/cool-hauler-1976-mercedes-1116-rollback/ Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD
Your head is cracked. Send it to me and I'll fix it after Curt's! Hahahaha I'm such a good friend! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am thinking there is a hairline crack in the filler tank neck but not clear if that would allow so much coolant to escape On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:13:18 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oil is normal level. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Probably a good time to check the oil... Having it checked for the presence of coolant or exhaust would be an easy way to get some piece of mind. Before our '82 240D was converted to a 240D/3.0, it had problems with coolant level dropping. It turned out to be a pinhole in the side of the radiator that leaked slowly when it was hot. Leaking only when hot, so the leakage evaporated, and being on the side, where one could not see it, both contributed to the difficulty of finding the problem. It finally went away when I changed the radiator to a 300D radiator. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incredibly disappearing coolant in my W123 300TD
Your car needs a new engine. I'll take it off your hands for free;) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As you all know, my 1983 300TD had a heating issue couipled with low coolant levels. When I replenished the coolant the heating system resumed mnormal operations. This weekend, I checked the aux. filler tank and it was shockingly low again. There is no puddle under the car, so the loss of coolant is associated with vehicle operation. WTF?! There is a slight wetness at the tank filler neck, and the exhaust appears normal (although I am not one to look for trouble). I swapped out the radiator cap for a new one I had lying around. If that doesn't work I have a new tank I could install as well. Ideas on how to trouble shoot this nagging issue if the problem persists? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BMW carpet set
Yes I learned a bunch from the Internet but practiced a whole lot on my GF's home machine. I then practiced sewing in circles and curves on the industrial machine. Tricky thing is controlling the speed on industrial machines fitted with the old fashioned clutch style motors like mine. I could fit it with a servo motor which is what is used now but I really didn't see the point. With a few hours of practice I tamed it! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have a machine my uncle had, he got it from the shoe factory that closed in the town where he lived. it is similar to that one you have, I don't remember the brand, it might be a Singer. THe whole set up weighs about 300lb. I need to learn how to set it up and use it. Did you do your learnings on the tubernets? --R On 3/6/15 7:44 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: I'm sewing one up. Check it out here: http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22025.0 Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] BMW carpet set
Thanks. It's good fun! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Impressive! Keep up the good work! On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:44 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm sewing one up. Check it out here: http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22025.0 Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] BMW carpet set
I'm sewing one up. Check it out here: http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=22025.0 Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
10,000 years ago we were 1 mile deep in ice. That all melted. Perhaps the melting is still going on progressing now to the ice caps? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If Boston were having another mild winter and the polar regions were frigid as usual, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The concern is that warming of the polar regions is causing the ice caps to melt and sea level to relentlessly rise, all because of growing CO2 emissions from industrial sources world wide. On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: New England has had a cold winter with lots of snow, the pacific northwest has had a very warm winter and much of Minnesota has had essentially no snow. Last year while we had the polar vortex it was one of the warmest winters on record for much of the rest of the world. Also remember the year before that we had zero snow from November (after the Halloween storm) until March. Actually even last year we didn't have any snow until the blizzard the first week of February. Snowmobilers tend to remember snow patterns... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age. I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply cannot buy global warming. Nobody is going to convince me that red is green or that cold is hot. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4, Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow, Boston.com reported. It’s a reality more in keeping with media warnings from the 1970s than today’s arguments about global warming. Then, CBS anchor Walter Cronkite, the dean of American journalism, was warning about an ice age. Cronkite cited scientific claims that the Earth was cooling and the full extent of the new ice age won't be reached for 10,000 years. That's completely different from the media's line today that global warming is settled sciencesnip http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2015/03/05/and-thats-way-it-was-1972-cronkite-warned-new-ice-age Makes sense, doesn't it? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Global warming? No, Global ice age.
I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply cannot buy global warming. Nobody is going to convince me that red is green or that cold is hot. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2015, at 7:04 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4, Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow, Boston.com reported. It’s a reality more in keeping with media warnings from the 1970s than today’s arguments about global warming. Then, CBS anchor Walter Cronkite, the dean of American journalism, was warning about an ice age. Cronkite cited scientific claims that the Earth was cooling and the full extent of the new ice age won't be reached for 10,000 years. That's completely different from the media's line today that global warming is settled sciencesnip http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2015/03/05/and-thats-way-it-was-1972-cronkite-warned-new-ice-age Makes sense, doesn't it? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30
I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: War on Addiction? Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it, I can't see how its any worse than alcohol. Stuff like crack and heroin I've got a different attitude to but still we need to fight the addiction not the drug. Kid gets picked up for a little pot, if he's black he goes to jail which basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... -Curt From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 Dan, I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called war on drugs. I've been saying for decades that the war on drugs has been lost and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to fund their habits, making drug cartels rich, etc., we need to at least investigate some other possible ways to control drug use. Just as the attempt at alcohol prohibition didn't stop the use of alcohol but enabled the growth of organized crime syndicates, the war on drugs has enabled the growth of even more powerful drug cartels. I've never used drugs and haven't even tried a marijuana cigarette but can see the futility of the path we've been on since LBJ. Addison On Mar 4, 2015, Dan Penoff wrote: From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Facts Date: March 4, 2015 2:27:37 PM PST To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com I'm not endorsing Bill Maher by any means, but he did say something the other day on his show that I thought was pretty astute: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/bill-maher-calls-obama-end-drug-war-free-drug-war-prisoners We lock up so many people in Federal prisons with mandatory sentences for stupid things. This has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs or for that matter, the drug war. It's a giant resource suck of not only taxpayer's dollars but of human resources as well. Just my $0.02. Dan On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not the guns yet, but the bullets now. The Apostate has a pen and a phone! --R On 3/4/15 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey - you forgot our first Kenyan Muslim non-Christian President who Wants to Confiscate Your Guns. You're getting soft! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] this CL ad is mine
And I had cousins and an aunt in Athens, GA. Furthermore, I was born in Athens, Greece. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My-now dimitri's - 240D came from athens. PO was university employee. On Mar 3, 2015 10:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've been to a commencement ceremony at U of GA in Athens. Quite a bucolic area. Drove through some violent thunderstorms from Atlanta to get there. Mecedes content: We were in a 1985 300CD. Trunk was a swimming pool afterwards, which was solved by replacing the TL lens gaskets On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I see at least two projects, put the 123 stick shift wagon drive train into the least rusty sedan body, then combine the good 240D cars to make a nice driver with stick shift. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 3, 2015 3:23:35 AM EST, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/cto/4912896586.html we have too many cars massive 123 sell off of mostly rusty cars some are mine and some belong to friends thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Any thoughts? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Good thing you have another head... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
The head bolts on the car are not 12 point. They are the old hex head style. According to the shop manual, I must use same style bolts that came with engine so it appears I must re-use them. My question is whether I can use them with a newer head- the one I got at ChowdahQ 2014 which I believe came from a car that took 12 point bolts. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dimitri.WARNING. This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the later ones retained some springy-nessProvided that the used 12 point bolts are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Any thoughts? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't stemming from the block? The head really did look ok. Perhaps I take the head off and ask machine shop to check. That way I can know for sure head is at fault. If that's confirmed then I can have them prepare the other head I got at ChowdahQ. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The head that is on it now is the head that was on it when Dwight's brother got it years ago. It has a replacement head gasket. 4 of us looked over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The same for the block. -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Fred Moir fredh.s...@hotmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info Thoughts: I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the head gasket? On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other leak path, while the head is being checked. Open once.. check twice.. On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dimitri.WARNING. This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the later ones retained some springy-nessProvided that the used 12 point bolts are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Any thoughts? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I guess there is no hurry. It's obvious that problem is getting worse as hoses get pressurized but I guess I can leave rad cap loose. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why is there a hurry to do more work? If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. But with performance as it stands now, drive it? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Yup toadass suck. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, I think we need to wait a bit. My Mercedes is 39 years old. Let us see how the Prius is at that age. My experience with the Toyotas that I have owned has not been great. 2 of them rusted away and the 3rd one committed suicide before I managed to fix all of the other known faults. RB Friends don't let friends drive toadas. Fireball deathtraps. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Ok ya'll. Car had pressurized hoses this am. Took it for a short spin in town, temp remained cool. Popped hood, remove rad cap, revved engine and for the first time ever- bubbles in coolant! Yay, actually, CRAP! In my opinion car has a head issue! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the cap loose it wasn't a problem. -Curt From: dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info You didn't end up hydro locking the engine? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore... That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it... -Curt From: dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it myself... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant system. And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Good thing you have another head... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions
M104 in a w123 with a 5 speed sounds like a very interesting project! Hey wait a minute, I thought you were Mr. Originality!! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The M104 is a wonderful engine. I had one for years in my 95 E320 wagon. Smooth and powerful when you wind it out. I always thought it would make an awesome engine to swap into something else. Oddly enough, I have an opportunity to buy my old wagon back for cheap, now the the current teenage own is done smashing it into things. I'm kinda tempted to buy it back, part it out, and put the engine in a W123 with a 5 speed. Jaime On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anyone familiar with the inline six? I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car. 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car. Dealer and indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look good, too. I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six. Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for? Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Tell me about it. As I write this I'm headed to buy ten gallons of kerosene to keep the oil tank from running out till I get my next delivery. $1000 per month this winter in oil. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Every morning when I wake up, I look out the window to check Dimitri’s chimney. If his house were a steam locomotive, it’d be moving down the tracks at 90mph! On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:41 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oh shut it! :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Should I mention that we had to turn on the AC today? Guess not Dan On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:30:48 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The 400 gallons of propane that I have will be burned in the grill . . . Too bad I use charcoal. My goal was to get the tank under 50 gallons without running out this winter. December/January were so cold that I panicked a bit and used the air-air heat pump too much. When January ended I bumped raised the switchover temp to 30° to get rid of some LP, burned more of it in February than in Nov-Dec-Jan combined. Probably ran the heat pump less than 50 hours all month. I should just set the switchover temp to 20 or 25 and manually turn on aux heat when I want a quick recovery from overnight setback. mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Oh shut it! :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Should I mention that we had to turn on the AC today? Guess not Dan On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 19:30:48 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The 400 gallons of propane that I have will be burned in the grill . . . Too bad I use charcoal. My goal was to get the tank under 50 gallons without running out this winter. December/January were so cold that I panicked a bit and used the air-air heat pump too much. When January ended I bumped raised the switchover temp to 30° to get rid of some LP, burned more of it in February than in Nov-Dec-Jan combined. Probably ran the heat pump less than 50 hours all month. I should just set the switchover temp to 20 or 25 and manually turn on aux heat when I want a quick recovery from overnight setback. mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it myself... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant system. And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
You didn't end up hydro locking the engine? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore... That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it... -Curt From: dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it myself... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant system. And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
It lost some coolant but could be from known area around tstat housing cover. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What’s the coolant level? On Mar 1, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pressurized hoses on a cold engine is not a good sign. This is typical of a head problem. If it is more convenient, you can borrow a cooling system pressure tester from most FLAPS for free. Actually, they charge it to your credit card when you get it and refund to your card when you return it. I found this tool so useful (when I had old cars) that I bought one. On the positive side, if you are weeping coolant could explain how an air bubble can get into the system and prevents circulation. -Original Message- From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 1:53 PM ... I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant system. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2015, at 3:59 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Were the car mine, I would be very interested in why the system is still pressurized after setting overnight.. Dead cold cooling systems should not have pressure, so , to me, it speaks of combustion air incursion into the cooling system and likely, serious over pressure somehow.. although, the radiator cap should vent anything above the rated pressure... further concern, to me.. Cooling system pressure test would be my next step.. certainly. On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat and no overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps coolant leaking because system pressurized? I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:09 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer project! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric acid flush. You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical grade). Dissolve in a gallon of water. Empty cooling system, including draining the block through the drain valve or plug. I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above freezing ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:45:40 PM EST To: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info That was my impression as well. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:59 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that a pressurized system in the AM is the result of a cracked head or leaking head gasket. On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat and no overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps coolant leaking because system pressurized? I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested. Sent from my iPhone -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.” – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Why do you hate it? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff.. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I can see why you hate it now. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to a bad head gasket in my wagon. Never more. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat and no overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps coolant leaking because system pressurized? I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:09 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer project! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric acid flush. You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical grade). Dissolve in a gallon of water. Empty cooling system, including draining the block through the drain valve or plug. I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above freezing ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 28, 2015 at 1:40:46 PM EST To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info Yeah like F*CK YOU PRIUS! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 12:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: You should write a whimsical message on the cardboard blocking the radiator to be read by drivers of the cars you are following. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The thermostat housing looked pretty good. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems. The plates don't seat right. If the bypass channel couldn't be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least resistance, then it could overheat then. Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for corrosion or damage? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I blocked off the entire radiator this morning and drove to Maine. It took a while but the car reached normal operating temp- a tad bit above the 175 F mark. Halfway through the trip, I pulled over at the Kennebunkport service area and pulled some of the cardboard back to 50% coverage. I did this because I still had a good 1hr plus to go and didn't want to push my luck. The car started cooling down to just a tad above the 100F mark. Other than that the car drove like a dream. Even hit 80 mph! Didn't think theses old boys could do that. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That the manual cold idle knob. I miss my old 240D's. On Feb 28, 2015 9:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I also thought the button was kind of cool and a good anti-theft device, especially since its way over on the other side of the console. I think I've still got all the pieces to convert it back to stock... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 11:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 27, 2015 at 11:00:28 PM EST To: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info I think the gp push button is kind of cool. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Actually the PO before my brotherr bought it put in that GP button. When the relay was bad my Indy offered to taje it back to stock, i said no leave the button. Nostalgia for me. My first car- a 49 Pontiac had a starter button on the dash. I liked that you could hold it down as long as you thought was needed. On Feb 27, 2015 6:08 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather amusing…… Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would likely go unnoticed by most folks? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer project! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric acid flush. You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical grade). Dissolve in a gallon of water. Empty cooling system, including draining the block through the drain valve or plug. I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above freezing ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ML
Wow 450 torque! Must be a blast! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2015, at 11:15 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Went with wifey and bought a 2012 ML V-6 bluejuice turbodizzel this afternoon. Somewhat unpleasant experience dealing with the stealer. They tried twice to stick me with the $650 documentation fee and we finally walked out, the salesdroid chased us into the parking lot, finally they caved. Then I made him throw in some roof racks for pissing me off and wasting our time with their jerkaround. Whole deal took 4 hr to come to agreement, though we did also take 2 GLs out for a spin. go back tomorrow to finalize. Their whole process is not geared to buying more to shopping. The salesdroid kept trying to run the script, that got old fast. I clued my wife into the game, and she is less tolerant of that kind of stuff than I am, so she played her role well. 30k miles, they put new tires on it, rear pads and rotors replaced, front pads 50% which is kinda weird (stability control?). CPO adds another year of warranty, bought another 2 yrs, unlimited miles so 4.5yr altogether. This thing is a rocket, huge torque, very quiet. Easy to get to felonious speeds very quickly accelerating from 60. Has like 450 ftlb torque. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 27, 2015 at 11:00:28 PM EST To: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info I think the gp push button is kind of cool. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Actually the PO before my brotherr bought it put in that GP button. When the relay was bad my Indy offered to taje it back to stock, i said no leave the button. Nostalgia for me. My first car- a 49 Pontiac had a starter button on the dash. I liked that you could hold it down as long as you thought was needed. On Feb 27, 2015 6:08 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather amusing…… Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would likely go unnoticed by most folks? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Oops. Sorry for assuming that you did it! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I retro fit nothing, it came that way. I put replacement glowplugs in and upped the size of the wires to them which made a big difference in cold starting the car... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather amusing…… Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would likely go unnoticed by most folks? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
The thermostat housing looked pretty good. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems. The plates don't seat right. If the bypass channel couldn't be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least resistance, then it could overheat then. Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for corrosion or damage? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] limited slip rear end for w126 cars
The 560SEL definitely had it. Not sure if standard equipment or as an option. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hello Does anyone on the list have access to which w126 cars may have come with limited slip rear ends (posi). I have the idea that some of the big body gas cars may have been equiped with a limited slip rear end. Which ones would have a similar gear ratio to what the sdl came with? How to identify the limited slip rear end? Thanks Ron Courcy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel
The pattern made from the old piece with not be very accurate as it will be bulged and stretched. It will only give you a general idea Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but since the steering wheel in question has wood segments, I won't have to cover the whole thing, just three relatively small areas at 9:00, 3:00 and 6:00 o'clock, extending in to the area around the air bag. Again, I plan on using a seam ripper to carefully deconstruct the existing leather so I have a pattern for each piece. Hopefully, that will make the replacement pieces easier to lay out and install. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:49 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Glad to help. With a bit of care and effort you can produce a perfect wheel cover that will be a good as the $300+ job. I forgot to mention.. on the hem seam.. use a straight edge [I used a metal yard stick ] and mark the fold to line on the inside surface of the strip. It will help give you a sharp uniform finish on the final product. Lead pencil line worked for me. From my experience, most Tandy stores are Owner Operated under the franchise name, so some will have smaller pieces , so do not.. Also.. it will depend on your choice of leathers.. If you are doing the wheel in baby seal or extinct condor chances are you will have to buy the whole hide.. ;)) The strip to make the hoop will be about 6 X 50 [adjusted to your particular wheel] If you wish, you can add things like increased hand grip areas by laying in additional layers of leather or closed cell foam. Again, simple white glue will suffice to hold those in place until install.. Don't use much.. just a dab spread thinly will do the job. When you dampen the leather on install, the glue will soften and allow a bit of slip to stretch the single layer leather which will define the increased width areas .. Again.. take you time. And.. don't forget .. pictures to show off your progress and finished product... Can't do an Attaboy without pictures.. ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Recovering a Leather Steering Wheel
Sounds like a fun project. I'm dabbling in the car upholstery world myself. Sewing leather is very satisfying. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: True, but at least it will give me a rough idea of the size and shape of the material. Much better than having to wing it. I was thinking about how easy it might be to add some bumps for finger grips and suchmaybe some small pieces of leather glued inside, or some foam Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:51 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The pattern made from the old piece with not be very accurate as it will be bulged and stretched. It will only give you a general idea Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but since the steering wheel in question has wood segments, I won't have to cover the whole thing, just three relatively small areas at 9:00, 3:00 and 6:00 o'clock, extending in to the area around the air bag. Again, I plan on using a seam ripper to carefully deconstruct the existing leather so I have a pattern for each piece. Hopefully, that will make the replacement pieces easier to lay out and install. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:49 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Glad to help. With a bit of care and effort you can produce a perfect wheel cover that will be a good as the $300+ job. I forgot to mention.. on the hem seam.. use a straight edge [I used a metal yard stick ] and mark the fold to line on the inside surface of the strip. It will help give you a sharp uniform finish on the final product. Lead pencil line worked for me. From my experience, most Tandy stores are Owner Operated under the franchise name, so some will have smaller pieces , so do not.. Also.. it will depend on your choice of leathers.. If you are doing the wheel in baby seal or extinct condor chances are you will have to buy the whole hide.. ;)) The strip to make the hoop will be about 6 X 50 [adjusted to your particular wheel] If you wish, you can add things like increased hand grip areas by laying in additional layers of leather or closed cell foam. Again, simple white glue will suffice to hold those in place until install.. Don't use much.. just a dab spread thinly will do the job. When you dampen the leather on install, the glue will soften and allow a bit of slip to stretch the single layer leather which will define the increased width areas .. Again.. take you time. And.. don't forget .. pictures to show off your progress and finished product... Can't do an Attaboy without pictures.. ;)) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Today I blocked about 1/2 the radiator with a piece of cardboard. I then drove the car for 25 miles on city and suburban roads. The temp gauge read cold -no more than a hair above the 100 degree Fahrenheit mark at its warmest. I might get daring and drive it up to Maine tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oh. I like it! -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory? With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coolant so whatever is loose in the engine and occasionally blocking the flow is being held in place by the flow. When the thermostat was operating normally and thus opening and closing as the temperature of the coolant rose and fell, the flow would increase or decrease. That permitted whatever loose item is inside the engine to shift around and cause trougle. RB On 26/02/2015 5:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions. Very interesting. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the car has had 3 bad thermostats. So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather amusing…… Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would likely go unnoticed by most folks? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Still not sure I understand why engine braking especially down hill would lower temps dramatically. Perhaps it causes an air bubble to dislodge? Anyway, I just forced the tstat open with a piece of brass tubing. Let's see what that does. If I get no answers, I will take car to radiator shop. They said they will pressure test cooling system and also look for head leaks. About $100 for that service. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:33 AM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: dseretakis--- wrote: Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it did that? At idle, most diesel engines produce very little heat. With the engine forced to turn and pump cold air through it, what little heat the burning fuel made is carried out the tail pipe. So - no heat being generated means no heat for the cooling system to carry away - so no problem! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: gassers control combustion by a flapper in the air intake, controlling airflow into the cyl. Diesels run at full air flow all the time, combustion is controlled with fuel. In effect coasting downhill, the fuel is shut off, no heat occurrs and the cylinders are washed with lotsa cool air. nothing to generate heat, cept friction. Still not sure I understand why engine braking especially down hill would lower temps dramatically. Perhaps it causes an air bubble to dislodge? Anyway, I just forced the tstat open with a piece of brass tubing. Let's see what that does. If I get no answers, I will take car to radiator shop. They said they will pressure test cooling system and also look for head leaks. About $100 for that service. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:33 AM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: dseretakis--- wrote: Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it did that? At idle, most diesel engines produce very little heat. With the engine forced to turn and pump cold air through it, what little heat the burning fuel made is carried out the tail pipe. So - no heat being generated means no heat for the cooling system to carry away - so no problem! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions. Very interesting. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the car has had 3 bad thermostats. So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
That would be really weird! I need to test car for a few more days to confirm. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 3 bad thermostats at least? On Feb 26, 2015 4:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 26/02/2015 2:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: On the one hand I hope this fixes the issue because I'd like to see it fixed. On the other hand I really hope this isn't it... Curt So, if this did fix it, then the verdict would be a bad thermostat?? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Believe me, I won't get my hopes up! This car is possessed! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Be patient. It's been an intermittent thing so you want to be sure this is the problem. Partially blocking the radiator is a good idea. It will help achieve a more normal engine temp as well as make the problem visible sooner, if it recurs. Good luck with this. -Original Message- From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:16 PM ... From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST To: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions. Very interesting. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Yup, it's NOT fixed. I drove the piss out of it today and it was fine. The lower rad hose started warming up indicating coolant circulation. No overheating. Then went to a friend's house and on way back it started again, temp rising, no heat, the usual. It was a 7 mile trip back home that required pulling over four times to let it cool down enough to start driving again. Interestingly, I noticed that heavy engine braking down hill would bring the temps from almost in the red to normal, but once I started accelerating the temp would rise again. Wonder why it did that? Anyway, I plan on blocking open the thermostat first thing in the am. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote snips No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Sounds like problem solved to me. The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine cooling system is working as designed. Rick I would not bet on that given the history. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I have one in ME but not with me here in MA. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You really need to get an IR thermometer and get a map of temperatures on the engine, hoses and radiator. That will yield a significant amount of information as far as what's going on both in the engine and radiator. Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 25/02/2015 1:20 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: dsereta...@yahoo.com; wrote snips No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Sounds like problem solved to me. The lower radiator hose is cold and the heater is warm, because the engine cooling system is working as designed. Rick I would not bet on that given the history. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Just picked up car from the mechanic. I drive it back about 25 minutes local inner city driving and some small highway. No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Clearly there is no flow. Time for Cathey tstat trick. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:44 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Bubbles have never appeared in coolant. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Run the engine with the radiator cap off, while you watch the coolant through the filler neck. If you see bubbles in the coolant while it is running, you have a cracked head, block cavitation, or leaking head gasket causing combustion air intrusion into coolant system. IF, as engine temp increases, the bubbles increase to the point coolant is surging out of the filler neck.. certainly combustion intrusion, and always overheat will follow if the system is sealed. I suspect the original loss of lower cooling hose clamp was due to over pressure from combustion gas into coolant which simply blew off the hose at the weakest point, which happened to be a weak hose clamp, rather than the radiator hose. Further, I suspect all efforts since have not addressed the original issue, thus cured it. Bring the car a little closer to the computer so I can see it better . ;))) On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I say the temperature gauge is faulty. Pay attention Andrew. It overheats and spews coolant out of the overflow hose. If it was just an issue of a bad sensor or gauge, it would tell you it was hot but it would not spew coolant. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
I don't know what to think. The truth is that my part of the world is getting colder, not warmer. It is my understanding that warming is responsible for the climate change as we now call it. Problem is that I don't see any warming but polar ice caps are melting so how is that explained? And our ozone layer has a big hole in it! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Oh, the joys of conspiracy theories! So much more comforting than dealing with truth. On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 40 years ago we had to give up R-12 because of global cooling. Now that we have global warming, why can't we use R-12 again? Seems like it would counteract global warming. Gerry That too was a hoax. We had to abandon r-12 because the dupont patent was expiring. They had the best pols money could buy, as well as extremist groups. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Thanks for the dimensions! It is a wahler. It is made in Germany. Should I heat the tstat in boiling water to open it up to facilitate insertion of copper pipe/shell casing? What will prevent it from dislodging? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is intact. As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good? 22.81 mm or .898 inch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP Is the OE a behr? Where was it made? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
It was no more than 15 degrees out when I was driving so maybe you are right that coolant is losing heat in radiator prior to returning to engine. Interesting hypothesis! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What is the outside temp? Around here I'd be shocked if the lower radiator hose was warm at all even driving around in town, it's 17 at the moment, and the coolant will lose all the heat in the radiator long before it goes back into the engine. T-Stat is probably just cracked open, unlike when it's warm out. Idle it for a while protected from the wind and see if the radiator warms up. If not, and the temp climbs, you still have a problem. If it warms up, the thermostat is at least partially opening. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Out of town again
Boston?;) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Anybody want to guess what exotic location I am in this week? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I thought it was .357? I don't know anything about shell casings or guns. Good question about how to keep it from dislodging! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: what sort of shell casing was Jim suggesting? If one knew that, then one might make a pretty good guess as to the length. Were there any further instructions from Mr. Cathey in terms of ensuring to the best of one's ability that this thing does not get dislodged and end up somewhere in the engine to cause further troubles in the future? RB On 24/02/2015 4:47 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is intact. As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2015 3:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Just picked up car from the mechanic. I drive it back about 25 minutes local inner city driving and some small highway. No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Clearly there is no flow. Time for Cathey tstat trick. And, I should think, time to immediately tell the mechanic that he did not solve the problem. I hope he did not charge you much for ruining the new thermostat that you already had in the car. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 24, 2015 at 5:47:11 PM EST To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is intact. As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2015 3:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Just picked up car from the mechanic. I drive it back about 25 minutes local inner city driving and some small highway. No overheating. Heat working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and it was stone cold. Clearly there is no flow. Time for Cathey tstat trick. And, I should think, time to immediately tell the mechanic that he did not solve the problem. I hope he did not charge you much for ruining the new thermostat that you already had in the car. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Thanks for the dimensions! It is a wahler. It is made in Germany. Should I heat the tstat in boiling water to open it up to facilitate insertion of copper pipe/shell casing? What will prevent it from dislodging? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is intact. As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good? 22.81 mm or .898 inch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP Is the OE a behr? Where was it made? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I will continue the troubleshooting when I get it back from Indy. I promise. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Now you're just getting silly. It originally smelled hot because it WAS hot. The temp gauge was pegged, the heater wasn't leaking, the radiator hose fell off remember? You are right that coolant is leaking, it comes right out the radiator fill, you can watch it happen. A radiator cap strong enough to prevent that happening would make the radiator or its hoses rupture. You shouldn't need the radiator cap present to prevent overheating at idle... -Curt Not at all. Just pointing out possible leaks that can be missed. Most of us are not there and have never seen the car. Everyone but you Dimitri and Dwight are flying blind. The BASIC troubleshooting has never been done on the car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think?
Buy a the real deal. G-wagen. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Bubbles have never appeared in coolant. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Run the engine with the radiator cap off, while you watch the coolant through the filler neck. If you see bubbles in the coolant while it is running, you have a cracked head, block cavitation, or leaking head gasket causing combustion air intrusion into coolant system. IF, as engine temp increases, the bubbles increase to the point coolant is surging out of the filler neck.. certainly combustion intrusion, and always overheat will follow if the system is sealed. I suspect the original loss of lower cooling hose clamp was due to over pressure from combustion gas into coolant which simply blew off the hose at the weakest point, which happened to be a weak hose clamp, rather than the radiator hose. Further, I suspect all efforts since have not addressed the original issue, thus cured it. Bring the car a little closer to the computer so I can see it better . ;))) On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 22/02/2015 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I say the temperature gauge is faulty. Pay attention Andrew. It overheats and spews coolant out of the overflow hose. If it was just an issue of a bad sensor or gauge, it would tell you it was hot but it would not spew coolant. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: OK What do you think?
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 23, 2015 at 1:20:30 PM EST To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK What do you think? No the GL is a turd compared to a G. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm confused - is the GL the equivalent of a Gelandewagen? Sure doesn't look like one... On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:06 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Buy a the real deal. G-wagen. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I know we are all pretty much cheapasses but wifey wants a new vehicle and I have suggested a GL or ML. (I lean to a GL just because I like bigger but she might prefer an ML size, there seem to be more of them available, a bit less dinero too) She is totally risk averse so I am thinking some sort of extended warranty to go along with a used one, the CPOs have something like that, would have to look into details. I know you can get something from Carmax too. Some of these look decent, coming off lease or something. Loan rates are pretty low too so reasonable to finance a purchase. This is just sort of an initial scouting expedition. Thoughts? Am I stupid for looking at likely headaches? Should I take her to the Frod dealer and look at Exploders? She has a thing about not wanting a jap vehicle, though I think they are all built here now, but a krautkar is OK, which are built here too. I just found these in Charlotte, seems they have a largish selection. I could probably look at Atlanta area too, see what they have there. --R http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2011-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13269971.html http://www.hendrickmotorsofcharlotte.com/detail-2012-mercedes~benz-gl~class-4matic_4dr_gl450-used-13174654.html http://www.mbcharlotte.com/used-Charlotte-2011-Mercedes+Benz-+-GL550-4JGBF8GE4BA685300 http://www.mbnorthlake.com/used/Mercedes-Benz/2011-Mercedes-Benz-GL-Class-73f4b9a10a0a00654f919aa35594caa0.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
I'm not seeing anything warm on this globe. Climate change I am seeing but how can it be attributed to warming if things are getting colder- much colder. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I do not recall the technical details but an article in the paper here on the weekend suggests that the issue is one of the sun going through a cooler cycle. It suggests that the winter that you folks have been suffering through may become a normal thing for the next 30 years or so as the cycle works its way through. You had best pray for some global warming. RB On 23/02/2015 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Hmm. My house consumed 500 gallons of heating oil in one month with the thermostat set at 57 degrees. I just spent $600 to have ice dams removed from my roof but they were so thick that they are now only 1 foot thick at the eaves. I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. And BTW, the summers are not getting any hotter. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not me, I'm enjoying all the snow. Did I mention I've been allowed to drive the trail groomer? Drove about half an hour (so about 4 miles) on Friday night and about double that on Saturday. Saturday he had me working the drag a little bit, Friday was just learning to steer and run the speed. Its interesting driving a 10' 6 (I'd previously said it was 8' but I was wrong) machine through the woods. Some of the gates are only 11' wide... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter I do not recall the technical details but an article in the paper here on the weekend suggests that the issue is one of the sun going through a cooler cycle. It suggests that the winter that you folks have been suffering through may become a normal thing for the next 30 years or so as the cycle works its way through. You had best pray for some global warming. RB On 23/02/2015 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Climate change may be to blame for frigid NortheastPublished: Monday, February 23, 2015 Biting winds and frigid temperatures terrorizing the Northeast can be linked to climate change, according to scientists at Rutgers and Wisconsin universities. Researchers found that since the 1990s, the North American jet stream that pushes weather across the continent has become substantially more variable. In their view, this variability can be linked to more rapid warming in the Arctic in comparison to other parts of the world. It can also help explain the lengthy cold snaps in the Northeast. The real story is how persistent the pattern has been. It's been this way nearly continually since December 2013 ... warm in the west, cold in the east, Jennifer Francis, Rutgers climate scientist, said in an article in*Rutgers Today*. We think with the warming Arctic these types of very wavy patterns, although probably not in the same locations, will happen more often in the future. The study http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/1/014005/article was published in *IOPscience* (Kurt Bresswein, Lehigh Valley *Express-Times* http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2015/02/frigid_northeast_linked_to_war.html, Feb. 19). *-- MV* ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
Tell me why the term global warming went into disfavor? In it's place, some climatologists now use the term climate change. Why? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: --R wrote: ...but it certainly was not anthropogenic. Were you there? Did you witness lack of anthropogenic? We really have propensity to jump to conclusions. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Global warming (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter
I was never a big fan of Florida, but after visiting Amelia Island concours D'elegance last spring, and getting subjected to this bullshit winter, I'm starting to like it. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have one and it's great! Dan basking in 70s with open doors/windows On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 23/02/2015 4:49 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Hmm. My house consumed 500 gallons of heating oil in one month with the thermostat set at 57 degrees. I just spent $600 to have ice dams removed from my roof but they were so thick that they are now only 1 foot thick at the eaves. I'm not liking this winter and I'm furthermore starting to believe that global warming is one big giant hoax. And BTW, the summers are not getting any hotter. YOU sir, need a winter home in Florida! RB (who also needs one of those) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens
I'm seeking out? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Could you please explain the ISO acronym? I see this on the Freecycle list I moderate, and it means nothing to me. Thanks, Dan On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I rear ended a vehicle on the way to work but all the damage was done to my RF turn signal lens. Anybody have a spare? Will pay postage plus send you a gift from my vast parts collection. Or pay for it like normal people do. Andrew 1983 300td (has a new shiner) 1985 300td (unblemished garage queen) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Except that the overheating didn't manifest until four months later. I don't buy it. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ah, thanks for the update. So, the next obvious thing should be to pull the head and have it pressured tested, no? The initial cause was a loss of coolant, so checking all those other things doesn't make much sense really. Jaime On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When the car is overheating the heater does nothing. Clear symptom of no coolant circulation. You've missed the years I owned it and drove it and it was fine. It all started a couple years ago with Angie and I headed to Maine, 75mph up I495 and all of a sudden the car smelled hot. Turns out the clamp on the lower radiator hose at the radiator had broken, the hose came off and the coolant all fell out of the engine. I pulled into a handy rest area, zip tied the hose back on got water from a helpful passerby and made it to a roadside rest stop where I got a replacement hose clamp. We made it home and the next day I changed out the water for coolant, changed the oil and kept driving the car for 4 more months. One day on the way to work (during the first warm day of spring) the temp needle started to climb in heavy traffic. When I got to work the coolant was down a quart. I filled it up. On the way home I had to stop on the side of the highway and was down another quart. From that point on I couldn't run the engine more than about 20 minutes or it would start to overheat and spew coolant out the radiator. So we had HeadgasketQ and replaced said head gasket. This seemed to cure the issue for about 40 miles, then it came back. I retorqued the head bolts and the problem was gone for maybe 100 miles. Then nothing I did could get the issue to go away. Somewhere in the troubleshooting phase I replaced the thermostat which changed nothing. I needed a car so I bought the Jetta and the 240D sat unloved for a year until I hauled it to Dimitri. There have been 3 thermostats in the car from 3 different sources since the issue started. I find it far fetched that all three (2 of which test good in a pan of water) would fail in exactly the same way but only sometimes. Up to date? -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Has anyone tried turning the heater and fan on full blast when it is overheating? that is an old time trick for desert and high altitude driving. The heater pulls heat out of the coolant too. Often it makes the difference between go/no go on deetriot iron of the 60s/70s. Fortunately, the MB cooling system is pretty robust. The only time I had to turn on the heater was mountian climbing at high altitude. At about 12k feet my 200D (now 2.4) ran out of cooling capacity, and we had to turn around. The escort Diesel tended to overheat at about 4-6k feet. If I understand this correctly, Dwight ran the car for miles and years without problem, then the over heating started. If this is correct, what changed while the car was in Dwights ownership? There appears to be a change between no problem/problem. Something caused the change. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Decent 240D Nearby
Make sure it doesn't overheat;) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here's a pretty decently looking 240D that about 45 minutes away from me: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2287769-fs-78-240d.html#post11417793 Manual CC AND a stick, too! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I pulled the water pump and it was fine. My Indy pulled it again and confirmed that it was fine. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:15 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Question: During the course of all this, has anyone ever physically removed the water pump for visual inspection of the vanes? Years ago.. I had a chevy 283 [may tell you how many years ago it was] that displayed the same symptoms. It turned out to be one of the vanes of the water pump had sheared off and was acting as a flapper valve in the block passages. Sometimes it would be edge wise, and coolant would flow, cooling normal... then it would flip flat across the passage and in minutes, overheat.. It got new radiators, new hoses, thermostats.. the works.. nothing worked... the water pump still pumped water so it looked like there was coolant flow through the radiator... then... the vane would shift [always while driving it, of course] and temp would go to max overheat.. Even when the water pump was finally pulled and the missing vane discovered.. we had a tough time flushing the broken part out of the block... Seems to me, this could be a possible in this case. On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When the car is overheating the heater does nothing. Clear symptom of no coolant circulation. You've missed the years I owned it and drove it and it was fine. It all started a couple years ago with Angie and I headed to Maine, 75mph up I495 and all of a sudden the car smelled hot. Turns out the clamp on the lower radiator hose at the radiator had broken, the hose came off and the coolant all fell out of the engine. I pulled into a handy rest area, zip tied the hose back on got water from a helpful passerby and made it to a roadside rest stop where I got a replacement hose clamp. We made it home and the next day I changed out the water for coolant, changed the oil and kept driving the car for 4 more months. One day on the way to work (during the first warm day of spring) the temp needle started to climb in heavy traffic. When I got to work the coolant was down a quart. I filled it up. On the way home I had to stop on the side of the highway and was down another quart. From that point on I couldn't run the engine more than about 20 minutes or it would start to overheat and spew coolant out the radiator. So we had HeadgasketQ and replaced said head gasket. This seemed to cure the issue for about 40 miles, then it came back. I retorqued the head bolts and the problem was gone for maybe 100 miles. Then nothing I did could get the issue to go away. Somewhere in the troubleshooting phase I replaced the thermostat which changed nothing. I needed a car so I bought the Jetta and the 240D sat unloved for a year until I hauled it to Dimitri. There have been 3 thermostats in the car from 3 different sources since the issue started. I find it far fetched that all three (2 of which test good in a pan of water) would fail in exactly the same way but only sometimes. Up to date? -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Has anyone tried turning the heater and fan on full blast when it is overheating? that is an old time trick for desert and high altitude driving. The heater pulls heat out of the coolant too. Often it makes the difference between go/no go on deetriot iron of the 60s/70s. Fortunately, the MB cooling system is pretty robust. The only time I had to turn on the heater was mountian climbing at high altitude. At about 12k feet my 200D (now 2.4) ran out of cooling capacity, and we had to turn around. The escort Diesel tended to overheat at about 4-6k feet. If I understand this correctly, Dwight ran the car for miles and years without problem, then the over heating started. If this is correct, what changed while the car was in Dwights ownership? There appears to be a change between no problem/problem. Something caused the change. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Yes I couldn't see any flaws either. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I cleaned carefully examined the head block when we changed the head gasket. I saw nothing indicating a crack. On Feb 22, 2015 6:37 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ah, thanks for the update. So, the next obvious thing should be to pull the head and have it pressured tested, no? The initial cause was a loss of coolant, so checking all those other things doesn't make much sense really. Jaime There are many much less difficult tests that will point towards the problem. 1. As discussed many times, block the thermostat open as recommended by Jim Cathey months ago. In spite of the arguments, 3 bad thermostats in a row is not unheard of. 2. Send an oil sample to Larry to see if coolant shows up. 3. Any good radiator shop can test for exhaust gas in the coolant Numbers 2 an 3 are better than pulling a head for nothing. 4. When it overheats, shoot temps on all areas of the block, head, hoses, thermostat housing, WP, Radiator. That will tell you a lot. None of these tests require a lot of money, but you will get answers. None of these tests have been done. When the head was off did you see any cracks? they are obvious to the naked eye. valve to prechamber, or valve to valve. the limit is 10mm before the head must be replaced. In other words, the head can have 12 cracks up to 9mm and still be ok to put on per the book. If my memory is right, I believe no cracks were found. It is unlikely that a crack large enough to allow exhaust gas into the coolant developed after the head was off, if not cracks were detected at that time. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Master cylinder?
Clearly, I'm the king of Junkers. I borrowed my girlfriend's landlords' 1986 300E the other day to get up to Maine from MA while the 240D was at my mechanic. Car had been fine until earlier today when the brakes felt a bit weak. I didn't make much of it until a little while ago when the brakes really started failing. Pedal to the floor and at best 20% braking left. I looked at reservoir and it was fine. I looked around car and couldn't find any obvious leaks but again it was dusk and cold and snowy out so I didn't look thoroughly. I pumped brakes at stop light and the pedal would get a bit stiffer but braking action was not really any better. I'm assuming master cylinder is at fault here. What do you think? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I will do the tstat trick when I get the car back from the mechanic if it's not fixed. Keep in mind that our winter has been absolutely brutal and the last thing I want to do is work on cars in this weather! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As a casual observer of all this, I have been wondering why someone didn't do the test thermostat option a long time ago. While it might not have clearly defined the issue, it certainly would narrow it down and point in the direction of the problem. You guys have been spinning your wheels on this for far, far too long. That being said, thermostat reliability between all of the suppliers has been touch and go for years. I recall this being an issue as far back as the late 1980s when I had my first MB - a 1980 300TD. I remember going through several new thermostats from different vendors before I got one that worked reliably. Randy Steele, my parts supplier at the time and a former dealer parts guy, expressed his frustration with the lack of reliability of thermostats. I don't recall which vendor was the worst offender, but he made it clear they all had issues. Dan On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I saw that and the OE tstat I put in is made in Germany so we clearly did not put in junk. The cathey trick is definitely worth trying though. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I saw that and the OE tstat I put in is made in Germany so we clearly did not put in junk. The cathey trick is definitely worth trying though. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The thermostat I put in was marked Made in France -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info I think the key point is that the coolant doesn't seem to be circulating. If you don't have hot water in the top of the radiator when the engine is hot, you don't have circulation. Without circulation, you will overheat. So either (1) there is an obstruction, (2) the water pump isn't working, (3) the thermostat isn't working, or (4) there is enough air in the system (doesn't take much) that the water pump can't overcome the head pressure. In terms of simple, I'd start with a thermostat that's jammed in the full open position to rule out that possibility. Both Curt and Dimitri have avoided that simple test (blocked open thermo) like the plague, insisting that 3 thermostats can't all be bad, but experience shows 3 bad thermostats in a row is indeed a possibility. 10-12 years ago 4 bad out of 5 was not unusual. Common, in fact. Then they got some better, but in the past few years, all production is in 3rd world countries, so buying MB or Bosch is no longer a sign of quality. It makes no sense to me to avoid a simple test that will yield a definitive answer. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Ok Ok, I will do it!!:) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think the key point is that the coolant doesn't seem to be circulating. If you don't have hot water in the top of the radiator when the engine is hot, you don't have circulation. Without circulation, you will overheat. So either (1) there is an obstruction, (2) the water pump isn't working, (3) the thermostat isn't working, or (4) there is enough air in the system (doesn't take much) that the water pump can't overcome the head pressure. In terms of simple, I'd start with a thermostat that's jammed in the full open position to rule out that possibility. Both Curt and Dimitri have avoided that simple test (blocked open thermo) like the plague, insisting that 3 thermostats can't all be bad, but experience shows 3 bad thermostats in a row is indeed a possibility. 10-12 years ago 4 bad out of 5 was not unusual. Common, in fact. Then they got some better, but in the past few years, all production is in 3rd world countries, so buying MB or Bosch is no longer a sign of quality. It makes no sense to me to avoid a simple test that will yield a definitive answer. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Curt didn't have much love for it at the end and I'm starting to lose my love for it. I think Dwight will, however, always love it:) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If this fix does indeed solve the problem it will be like a death in the family. We all have come to love the 240D with the quirky personality. ;).. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:04:29 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I never tested with IR thermometer. I did not block tstat open. The last major thing I did was change that leaking short hose as I was convinced the problem stemmed from there. I was obviously wrong. My Indy modified the tstat making bottom plate smaller. Not sure what his reasoning was but it didn't seem to change anything. Making the bottom plate smaller could cause the thermostat to not work properly. The bottom plate is supposed to block off the channel through which the coolant is recirculated through the block, forcing it to go through the radiator instead. Making the plate smaller could allow some coolant to avoid the radiator. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Maybe Andrew should be the next victim?:) Didn't you do a bunch of rust repairs on the Jetta? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dwight got rid of it at the perfect time, while it was still doing well but starting to show its age.I fell out of love with it and fell in love with the Jetta. The tinworm is making me love the Jetta less... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Curt didn't have much love for it at the end and I'm starting to lose my love for it. I think Dwight will, however, always love it:) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If this fix does indeed solve the problem it will be like a death in the family. We all have come to love the 240D with the quirky personality. ;).. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:04:29 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I never tested with IR thermometer. I did not block tstat open. The last major thing I did was change that leaking short hose as I was convinced the problem stemmed from there. I was obviously wrong. My Indy modified the tstat making bottom plate smaller. Not sure what his reasoning was but it didn't seem to change anything. Making the bottom plate smaller could cause the thermostat to not work properly. The bottom plate is supposed to block off the channel through which the coolant is recirculated through the block, forcing it to go through the radiator instead. Making the plate smaller could allow some coolant to avoid the radiator. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Let me know if I could be of any help with the rust. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've been steadily repairing the missing rockers but the radiator replacement debacle last month showed me that the front clip is also badly rotted. The driver's side frame horn that holds up the engine is also missing a chunk. In the spring I need to pull the whole front clip off the car and return it to the correct shape. Until then I'm constantly paranoid that I'm going to ruin another radiator. I don't *think* thats going to happen but it could and that irks me. -Curt From: dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Maybe Andrew should be the next victim?:) Didn't you do a bunch of rust repairs on the Jetta? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dwight got rid of it at the perfect time, while it was still doing well but starting to show its age.I fell out of love with it and fell in love with the Jetta. The tinworm is making me love the Jetta less... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Curt didn't have much love for it at the end and I'm starting to lose my love for it. I think Dwight will, however, always love it:) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If this fix does indeed solve the problem it will be like a death in the family. We all have come to love the 240D with the quirky personality. ;).. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:04:29 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I never tested with IR thermometer. I did not block tstat open. The last major thing I did was change that leaking short hose as I was convinced the problem stemmed from there. I was obviously wrong. My Indy modified the tstat making bottom plate smaller. Not sure what his reasoning was but it didn't seem to change anything. Making the bottom plate smaller could cause the thermostat to not work properly. The bottom plate is supposed to block off the channel through which the coolant is recirculated through the block, forcing it to go through the radiator instead. Making the plate smaller could allow some coolant to avoid the radiator. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual
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Sounds very exciting! Let's do it! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: WeldingQ 2015? Having a group over to work on it would help a lot in the motivation department. I need to get right on it this year or the car is a goner. I should have done more last year but got lazy. -Curt From: dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Let me know if I could be of any help with the rust. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've been steadily repairing the missing rockers but the radiator replacement debacle last month showed me that the front clip is also badly rotted. The driver's side frame horn that holds up the engine is also missing a chunk. In the spring I need to pull the whole front clip off the car and return it to the correct shape. Until then I'm constantly paranoid that I'm going to ruin another radiator. I don't *think* thats going to happen but it could and that irks me. -Curt From: dsereta...@yahoo.com dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Maybe Andrew should be the next victim?:) Didn't you do a bunch of rust repairs on the Jetta? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dwight got rid of it at the perfect time, while it was still doing well but starting to show its age.I fell out of love with it and fell in love with the Jetta. The tinworm is making me love the Jetta less... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Curt didn't have much love for it at the end and I'm starting to lose my love for it. I think Dwight will, however, always love it:) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If this fix does indeed solve the problem it will be like a death in the family. We all have come to love the 240D with the quirky personality. ;).. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:04:29 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I never tested with IR thermometer. I did not block tstat open. The last major thing I did was change that leaking short hose as I was convinced the problem stemmed from there. I was obviously wrong. My Indy modified the tstat making bottom plate smaller. Not sure what his reasoning was but it didn't seem to change anything. Making the bottom plate smaller could cause the thermostat to not work properly. The bottom plate is supposed to block off the channel through which the coolant is recirculated through the block, forcing it to go through the radiator instead. Making the plate smaller could allow some coolant to avoid the radiator. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Car overheats sometimes. Can go for days or hundreds of miles and be fine then it'll decide to overheat. Everything that I can think of except for coolant passage blockage somewhere or head bolts bottomed out or crack in head has been ruled out. But head issues unlikely in my opinion as car will start reliably in 5 degree temps without block heater or synthetic oil. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: OK, please summarize the symptoms again (or cut and paste) as I need to have my memory refreshed. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Well we have been running this contest for almost 2 years when we NE crew had a head gasket Q. On Feb 18, 2015 9:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DImitri, you need to run a formal contest with a prize for whoever gives you the correct advice. The prize could be some custom welding, for example.. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think the chance of a new fan fixing the problem is zero. He also said that the radiator is good which I already knew. He will also check the water pump which I already checked and in my opinion is ok. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2015, at 4:51 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ditto - if the car is moving there is plenty of air flow through the radiator. Like others mentioned, there's not much need for a large capacity of cooling at this time of year. My 240D doesn't generate a lot of heat - not as much as the 300D T at least. When my 300D overheated last summer (temp went into the red zone) I feared a head problem or a damaged head gasket. WHen I repaired the obvious problem (failed hose) I did a Oil Analysis test and it confirmed there was no water/coolant in the oil. (phew!) so it appears I dodged a bullet. An Oil analysis is a easy way to confirm the head gasket integrity. Seems like you've been struggling with this for a while. Maybe to time to definitively to eliminate a potential problem? LarryT 300D youroil.net On 2/18/2015 4:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I'm also skeptical. I removed the fan from the OM617.912 (normally aspirated five cylinder diesel) in my '85 wagon, ran all year round in SC with no problems unless I got stuck in stop-n-go traffic. No AC on that car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
So my Indy just called. He replaced broken fan and fan shroud. Tested water pump which checked out ok. Drove car, let it idle for over an hour and it didn't overheat. He is calling it fixed and he may very well be right. But I don't believe it could be that easy. I'm up in Maine for a few days while his shop is in Boston. I told him to drive it around as if it's his own while I'm gone. Let's see what happens. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 1:04 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I never tested with IR thermometer. I did not block tstat open. The last major thing I did was change that leaking short hose as I was convinced the problem stemmed from there. I was obviously wrong. My Indy modified the tstat making bottom plate smaller. Not sure what his reasoning was but it didn't seem to change anything. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: At this point, I would say there are no strong correlations. Unless my Indy can figure something out, I think I need to do a coolant has test or oil analysis to rule out head leak. Flushing block also should be done but the coolant and visible coolant passages are squeaky clean. If there are pieces of metal or iron/calcium crud in there big enough to block flow, you are not going to see them unless you take off the WP housing and the freeze plugs. When it over heats, have you or Curt shot radiator areas, hoses, block areas etc with IR thermometer to determine hot and cold spots? That will tell you where to look for a blockage. Did you ever try running it with the thermometer blocked open per J. Cathey's instruction? You don't have to have a .45 shell, you can use a piece of 3/8 OD copper tube gut to the right length and slit lengthwise. The IR Thermometer and the blocked open thermostat are the fast/inexpensive ways to determine where to look and to isolate the problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
No this car was given to me by Curt in November. Prior to that, Dwight owned it. The car is a bit of a slut;) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: DImitri, is this the same car you drove to and from DC? On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes and i might even make an offer for it. It was a 'rust free'southern car my brother in NC got in Athens GA. i had planned to 'restore' it but upon closer inspection that didn't seem feasible, so I fell in love with a 300CD. On Feb 19, 2015 2:14 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curt didn't have much love for it at the end and I'm starting to lose my love for it. I think Dwight will, however, always love it:) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If this fix does indeed solve the problem it will be like a death in the family. We all have come to love the 240D with the quirky personality. ;).. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:04:29 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I never tested with IR thermometer. I did not block tstat open. The last major thing I did was change that leaking short hose as I was convinced the problem stemmed from there. I was obviously wrong. My Indy modified the tstat making bottom plate smaller. Not sure what his reasoning was but it didn't seem to change anything. Making the bottom plate smaller could cause the thermostat to not work properly. The bottom plate is supposed to block off the channel through which the coolant is recirculated through the block, forcing it to go through the radiator instead. Making the plate smaller could allow some coolant to avoid the radiator. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 240d overheating
Citric acid flush was not done. The radiator is good. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Folks about the overheating 240d did you ever do a citric acid cleanse? they all have a lot of crud in the cooling system then i'd replace radiator and then water pump assuming the thermostat tests good in boiling water thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
Yikes that sounds complicated. I'm far from an engineer. To be honest, I'm not much of a mechanic either. My enthusiasm lies in the rust repair arena! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How about installing a water pressure gauge? I believe you can get such a thing for outboard motors. It could be tapped into the temperature sensor hole if nothing else. Or maybe some form of flow meter? Something that would indicate if pressure changed or flow was different when the temperature gauge rises? Some little water wheel that would turn when the coolant is flowing and stop or slow down if the flow lessens. Does such a thing exist or who do we know that could make such a thing? Could hook it into the heater hose fairly readily? RB On 19/02/2015 2:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Hi Randy, I'm with you on the chunk thats floating around causing this catastrophe, its the only thing that I can think of that would make an intermittent problem. The thermostat has been replaced at least twice, Dimitri and I both did it and I find the idea that we had 3 bad thermostats unlikely not the least of which because I tested two of them. I don't think it could be the wrong water pump, remember its had this pump for years. I drove it something like 25,000 miles on that pump. It could be a bad pump but Dimitri has been in there and checked it out and passed it. We've had it fail in a variety of weather conditions but the notable one is that it hasn't been much above freezing here for a month. A car doesn't need much of a cooling system at all below freezing... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info I am curious about the lack of flow in the rad. If the thermostat works (and I believe it has been changed at least once) and the water pump is intact and working, then why would there be no flow? It has been suggested that the block passages are blocked. Is there only one sort of passage that could be blocked and stop the flow? If there is something loose inside that can move around, it might explain why it runs fine for a while and then just randomly overheats. The chunk might be such that it lays in the passage until something causes it to shift to an upright position for a while. I also wonder if there is any chance that the impeller on the pump is loose enough that it sometimes does not spin with the shaft and move fluid? Or, is there more than one sort of pump for these things and does it have the correct pump? One would think that would result in overheating most of the time, but maybe weather conditions make a difference? Things like this are interesting but not for the poor soul who owns the vehicle. RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I'm not disappointed that my China blue 240D is not overheating! China blue is undergoing some major rust repair surgery. Things are at a standstill due to brutal winter though. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How disappointing. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nope, white 240D I gave him last November. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info DImitri, is this the same car you drove to and from DC? On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes and i might even make an offer for it. It was a 'rust free'southern car my brother in NC got in Athens GA. i had planned to 'restore' it but upon closer inspection that didn't seem feasible, so I fell in love with a 300CD. On Feb 19, 2015 2:14 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curt didn't have much love for it at the end and I'm starting to lose my love for it. I think Dwight will, however, always love it:) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If this fix does indeed solve the problem it will be like a death in the family. We all have come to love the 240D with the quirky personality. ;).. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:04:29 -0500 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I never tested with IR thermometer. I did not block tstat open. The last major thing I did was change that leaking short hose as I was convinced the problem stemmed from there. I was obviously wrong. My Indy modified the tstat making bottom plate smaller. Not sure what his reasoning was but it didn't seem to change anything. Making the bottom plate smaller could cause the thermostat to not work properly. The bottom plate is supposed to block off the channel through which the coolant is recirculated through the block, forcing it to go through the radiator instead. Making the plate smaller could allow some coolant to avoid the radiator. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman
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At this point, I would say there are no strong correlations. Unless my Indy can figure something out, I think I need to do a coolant has test or oil analysis to rule out head leak. Flushing block also should be done but the coolant and visible coolant passages are squeaky clean. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's a tough nut to crack. Is there a correlation with ANYTHING that you can think of (e.g., ambient temperatures, vehicle speed) or is it completely random? On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm onboard with a blocked cooling passage. Get your guy to open the block drain (which hasn't been done at least since I got the car) and blow the crud out... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Car overheats sometimes. Can go for days or hundreds of miles and be fine then it'll decide to overheat. Everything that I can think of except for coolant passage blockage somewhere or head bolts bottomed out or crack in head has been ruled out. But head issues unlikely in my opinion as car will start reliably in 5 degree temps without block heater or synthetic oil. Block drain won't let out big chunks that would block the flow. I'd say pull the freeze plugs and the WP housing. then flush forwards and back with lotsa water. It there are chunks, you should at least be able to see them after forward and back flushing. Hopefully, any chunks will be on the floor afterwards, and no longer in the engine. If it had deetriot style freeze plugs, I'd say somebody pushed a freeze plug inside, and it moves around. If my memory is right, there are sheet metal freeze plugs on the back of the block, under the bell housing adapter. (in front of the flywheel too) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
I never tested with IR thermometer. I did not block tstat open. The last major thing I did was change that leaking short hose as I was convinced the problem stemmed from there. I was obviously wrong. My Indy modified the tstat making bottom plate smaller. Not sure what his reasoning was but it didn't seem to change anything. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: At this point, I would say there are no strong correlations. Unless my Indy can figure something out, I think I need to do a coolant has test or oil analysis to rule out head leak. Flushing block also should be done but the coolant and visible coolant passages are squeaky clean. If there are pieces of metal or iron/calcium crud in there big enough to block flow, you are not going to see them unless you take off the WP housing and the freeze plugs. When it over heats, have you or Curt shot radiator areas, hoses, block areas etc with IR thermometer to determine hot and cold spots? That will tell you where to look for a blockage. Did you ever try running it with the thermometer blocked open per J. Cathey's instruction? You don't have to have a .45 shell, you can use a piece of 3/8 OD copper tube gut to the right length and slit lengthwise. The IR Thermometer and the blocked open thermostat are the fast/inexpensive ways to determine where to look and to isolate the problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I was going to say that you should perhaps check your temp gauge (thermometer) but since you feel like crap (coolant boiling over) you probably do have an overheating situation (fever):) Get well. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Jaime wrote: I hope all this makes sense... I'm running a fever now and feel like crap. Be well soon. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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This all gets very complicated. The shroud went in and out a few more times since you last owned the car. Due to its already compromised condition, the shroud broke further down as well. It was still in place and probably doing something when the car overheated again after the trip from Maine. At some point after bringing the car for inspection, I heard a chaffing noise which I figured was the fan rubbing against the broken bottom section of the shroud. This must have caused some chunks of the fan blade to break off - that is how my Indy first saw the blades. The blades were however probably not broken like this when the car overheated after the long trip. This is another reason why I doubt the fan and shroud replacement will make any difference. The most significant thing I did before the long trip down was change that badly leaking short hose. The car performed so well after that repair until it started overheating again. That was the longest trouble free run I had with the car so perhaps a couple things were contributing and the new shroud finally fixed it all? I won't hold my breath! I do like Jaime's explanation though! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2015, at 8:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shroud wasn't missing it was broken, and it wasn't very broken, just cracked in one corner near the top. Remember I drove it 25,000 miles like that. Same with the fan. Its also VERY cold here. In the last month we've gotten above freezing twice, with any amount of airflow at all you ought to be able to keep from overheating. I've never had a 190D with a working electromagnetic fan coupler, they both get hot when poking along in heavy traffic, fortunately the '84 has working AC so I just turn the AC on low, the fan comes on and its no issue. This time of year its no issue at all, even with very little airflow its so cold it doesn't matter. The problem with the obvious fixes is that they're obvious and we tried the obvious stuff two years ago. Remember I'd been driving this car until whatever happened happened. -Curt From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info Ok heres my take. First off, I hate stuff like this, and I love it when its finally solved. But getting there can be a horrible experience. Anyway, I think you mentioned that on your last trip back south the car was great until you stopped, then it started to warm up. And the fix is apparently a fan and fan shroud, according to the Indy. I buy it. Heres why. The engine makes heat. The thermostat is regulating things by controlling the water flow through the radiator. Air passes over the radiator which removes some heat from the water, then returns it back to the engine. Lets say that coolant of about 88C goes into the radiator, and if everything is going ok, something like 60C goes back to the engine. Now, when you stop, you're reducing the airflow. With a damaged fan and no shroud, there isn't much air being pulled through the radiator artificially. So now you've got 70C water going back. And a short time later, 80C. If theres no flow and everything is heat soaked form a hard run, this is possible. As you sit there and idle, there still loads of heat built up in the cylinders, head, etc from the hard running you just did. This adds more heat than a normal idle, which makes the situation worse. Now you're water temp is 90, or 95... or more. It just sits there and gets worse, since there isn't much in terms of heat transfer in the radiator. The thermostat goes wide open, but it doesn't really matter when the water coming out of the radiator is about the same as whats going in. You replace the fan and the shroud, and it restores the air flow. Now you have some cooling. Things still still get hot... after all you have a huge amount of heat to get rid of from you hard running. But maybe only a few degrees until things get under control again. Hows that sound? An IR thermometer is super useful in these cases. Its also interesting to test difference parts of the cooling system and see the variation in temps. But, its worth noting, that after a hard run, coming to a complete stop is very difficult for a perfect cooling system. The temps are going to go up somewhat. This is why modern cars fake the water temperature until it gets to a certain point... there is lots of natural variation that people don't understand and will complain about. I hope all this makes sense... I'm running a fever now and feel like crap. Jaime On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: So my Indy just called. He replaced broken fan and fan shroud. Tested water pump which checked out ok. Drove car
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I think the chance of a new fan fixing the problem is zero. He also said that the radiator is good which I already knew. He will also check the water pump which I already checked and in my opinion is ok. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2015, at 4:51 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Ditto - if the car is moving there is plenty of air flow through the radiator. Like others mentioned, there's not much need for a large capacity of cooling at this time of year. My 240D doesn't generate a lot of heat - not as much as the 300D T at least. When my 300D overheated last summer (temp went into the red zone) I feared a head problem or a damaged head gasket. WHen I repaired the obvious problem (failed hose) I did a Oil Analysis test and it confirmed there was no water/coolant in the oil. (phew!) so it appears I dodged a bullet. An Oil analysis is a easy way to confirm the head gasket integrity. Seems like you've been struggling with this for a while. Maybe to time to definitively to eliminate a potential problem? LarryT 300D youroil.net On 2/18/2015 4:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I'm also skeptical. I removed the fan from the OM617.912 (normally aspirated five cylinder diesel) in my '85 wagon, ran all year round in SC with no problems unless I got stuck in stop-n-go traffic. No AC on that car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I don't like the tacky chrome wheel arch moldings! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sorry, I forgot to include link: https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/4870297534.html -Original Message- From: Donald Snook [mailto:d...@snooklawllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] interesting 123 This looks interesting. Not much in the way of details or pictures. My prior 123 Diesels were 82 and 83. I have never had an 85. Isn't there some weird stuff about the 85 that is unique. This one is here in Wichita, so I might look at it. Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
