Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update
Same lady ... same ending. On 2/10/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no, another date? -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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some people just dont learn LT Don wrote: Same lady ... same ending. On 2/10/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no, another date? -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Uh ... uh ... yea, we don't. On 2/11/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some people just don't learn -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you need GOOD working brakes for this Yeah, or something like this might happen: http://www.binderbulletin.org/images/gallery2/tow_roll.jpg There's good advice on rope towing a vehicle here: http://www.binderbulletin.org/techlib/towing.htm The gist is, if you're rope towing, the towed vehicle has to be the brakes for *both* vehicles. Kaleb's dolly method is safer and easier, of course.
[MBZ] $100 MB diesel update
Well, I bought the car because it has a pretty good body though it is in need of a paint job. The seats seam springy and the upholstery is pretty good. Now for the BAD. It does turn over but won't run. Starting fluid (I know it's bad) didn't even get a sputter or clunk out of it, so either the timing's wy off or she's just plain warn out. It is full of oil though. The vapors from the starting fluid weren't coming out the exhaust which could be an indication that it is either in need of some serious engine work or an engine transplant. The car is actually a 1974 220D according to the title (thought that the W115 diesels from 1974-76 were 240D's). It has the smaller bumpers and also a column shift automatic. The vin starts with 115 110. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1974 220D Kaput
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You will be driving it to the OkieQ, I am sure. On 2/10/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I bought the car because it has a pretty good body though it is in need of a paint job. The seats seam springy and the upholstery is pretty good. Now for the BAD. It does turn over but won't run. Starting fluid (I know it's bad) didn't even get a sputter or clunk out of it, so either the timing's wy off or she's just plain warn out. It is full of oil though. The vapors from the starting fluid weren't coming out the exhaust which could be an indication that it is either in need of some serious engine work or an engine transplant. The car is actually a 1974 220D according to the title (thought that the W115 diesels from 1974-76 were 240D's). It has the smaller bumpers and also a column shift automatic. The vin starts with 115 110. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1974 220D Kaput ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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It is in fact a 220D, but the year is off. It may have sat on a dealer lot till 74 and titled then, its probably really a 73 though. kevin kraly wrote: Well, I bought the car because it has a pretty good body though it is in need of a paint job. The seats seam springy and the upholstery is pretty good. Now for the BAD. It does turn over but won't run. Starting fluid (I know it's bad) didn't even get a sputter or clunk out of it, so either the timing's wy off or she's just plain warn out. It is full of oil though. The vapors from the starting fluid weren't coming out the exhaust which could be an indication that it is either in need of some serious engine work or an engine transplant. The car is actually a 1974 220D according to the title (thought that the W115 diesels from 1974-76 were 240D's). It has the smaller bumpers and also a column shift automatic. The vin starts with 115 110. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1974 220D Kaput ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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The vapors from the starting fluid weren't coming out the exhaust which could be an indication that it is either in need of some serious engine work or an engine transplant. Does the cam turn? -- Jim
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Does the cam turn? Not sure yet. My dad and I hooked a battery up to it to see if it was going to drive home or need a tow. It clearly needs a tow. Once it gets home and I can throw some tools at it and have someone see if the cam is turning, I can go from there. The IP was squirting fuel when the injector lines were cracked open. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1974 220D, no name yet
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the year is off. It may have sat on a dealer lot till 74 and titled then, its probably really a 73 though. That's what I figured. I guess I'll refer to it as a '73 220D. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D unnameds
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You will be driving it to the OkieQ, I am sure. It will be a nice summer project, that's for sure! Maybe, it will be running in time for some summer cruisin'. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D unnamed
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And well sorted out for the ArticQ run next year! On 2/9/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will be driving it to the OkieQ, I am sure. It will be a nice summer project, that's for sure! Maybe, it will be running in time for some summer cruisin'. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D unnamed -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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bad fuel? try a tow start and see if you get fuel to the injectors i will give you $110 for it On Thursday, February 9, 2006, at 04:45 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Well, I bought the car because it has a pretty good body though it is in need of a paint job. The seats seam springy and the upholstery is pretty good. Now for the BAD. It does turn over but won't run. Starting fluid (I know it's bad) didn't even get a sputter or clunk out of it, so either the timing's wy off or she's just plain warn out. It is full of oil though. The vapors from the starting fluid weren't coming out the exhaust which could be an indication that it is either in need of some serious engine work or an engine transplant. The car is actually a 1974 220D according to the title (thought that the W115 diesels from 1974-76 were 240D's). It has the smaller bumpers and also a column shift automatic. The vin starts with 115 110. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1974 220D Kaput ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update
If the pump is pumping and it is turning over, then the cam is also turning. If it weren't you would have heard a loud bang and crunching as the cam and towers broke from a piston driving a valve where the cam used to be. If it is a 4 spd, pull start it. I bet it will run. Then try to get the rings freed up before you drive it like you stole it. Older diesels (621, 615) have a habit of cracking rings, then the cracked rings chew up the $150 piston and score the cylinder. Pull starting might work on an auto too. I've never done it. Snake oil in the tank, soaking gunk in the cylinders.Other can comment as to what works in the tank and as a cylinder soak. Mopar penetrating oil works well as a cylinder soak, but you want to get it out after 24 hours. Good luck! At 09:25 PM 2/9/2006, you wrote: Does the cam turn? Not sure yet. My dad and I hooked a battery up to it to see if it was going to drive home or need a tow. It clearly needs a tow. Once it gets home and I can throw some tools at it and have someone see if the cam is turning, I can go from there. The IP was squirting fuel when the injector lines were cracked open. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1974 220D, no name yet ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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How far should the IP squirt fuel out of a cracked injector line? ~ ~Does the cam turn? ~ ~Not sure yet. My dad and I hooked a battery up to it to see if it was going ~to drive home or need a tow. It clearly needs a tow. Once it gets home and ~I can throw some tools at it and have someone see if the cam is turning, I ~can go from there. The IP was squirting fuel when the injector lines were ~cracked open. ~ ~Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ~1974 220D, no name yet ~ ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 08:42 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote: How far should the IP squirt fuel out of a cracked injector line? It depends on the size of the hole. At over 1800psi it can really get some distance. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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I thought so, all I saw last night was oozing from the lines. Maybe this car has an injection problem, and that's why it seems to fire only once every few seconds when it's trying to start. What's the best way to check the injection pump? ~ ~ ~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 08:42 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ ~ How far should the IP squirt fuel out of a cracked injector line? ~ ~ ~ It depends on the size of the hole. At over 1800psi it can really get ~some distance. ~ ~Johnny B. ~I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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It is a Grey Market car. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin kraly Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update Well, I bought the car because it has a pretty good body though it is in need of a paint job. The seats seam springy and the upholstery is pretty good. Now for the BAD. It does turn over but won't run. Starting fluid (I know it's bad) didn't even get a sputter or clunk out of it, so either the timing's wy off or she's just plain warn out. It is full of oil though. The vapors from the starting fluid weren't coming out the exhaust which could be an indication that it is either in need of some serious engine work or an engine transplant. The car is actually a 1974 220D according to the title (thought that the W115 diesels from 1974-76 were 240D's). It has the smaller bumpers and also a column shift automatic. The vin starts with 115 110. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1974 220D Kaput ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update
I'm pretty sure the pump has prime. Each time I've tried to start it, I pull the fuel lines and run them from a bottle of fresh diesel (just like running a purge). I pump the primer pump until strong shots of diesel shoot out of the return line. I had the injectors out this weekend and reinstalled them last night. I reinstalled everything, and left the injector lines loose at the injectors until I could see fuel oozing. Maybe I didn't get enough fuel into the lines? ~ ~The problem could be the injection pump lost it's prime. Here is a great ~trick to gain prime if you don't like the hand pump... ~ ~Remove the return fuel line. Place air hose in fill neck for fuel, seal with ~rag and watch fuel come out of return line. When fuel flows good, system is ~primed. Works great on diesels with out hand pumps! I got a diesel Topaz ~once because it would not run after owner ran out of fuel, rag and air hose ~fixed it. ~ ~After system has good prime, try tow starting. If will not start check ~compression and injectors and injection pump. ~ ~Trampas ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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If you see oozing, my guess is that the pump is ok. if the caps are loose, you see fuel ooze. if the caps are cracked just right, you will get high pressure spurts. about 1/16 turn to 1/8 turn is cracking the line. it is more likely that you have low compression/stuck rings or bad glow plugs/prechambers or a combination of all. it is also possible that the rack in the pump is stuck. I have never encountered this. What year was this? does it have the mechanical governor? I think all coupes would have the mechanical governor. I am not sure when they changed over to the mechanical governor from the vacuum. 77 78 may have vacuum. I know some of the early 123s had the swing tube intake. At 09:28 AM 2/10/2006, you wrote: I'm pretty sure the pump has prime. Each time I've tried to start it, I pull the fuel lines and run them from a bottle of fresh diesel (just like running a purge). I pump the primer pump until strong shots of diesel shoot out of the return line. I had the injectors out this weekend and reinstalled them last night. I reinstalled everything, and left the injector lines loose at the injectors until I could see fuel oozing. Maybe I didn't get enough fuel into the lines? ~ ~The problem could be the injection pump lost it's prime. Here is a great ~trick to gain prime if you don't like the hand pump... ~ ~Remove the return fuel line. Place air hose in fill neck for fuel, seal with ~rag and watch fuel come out of return line. When fuel flows good, system is ~primed. Works great on diesels with out hand pumps! I got a diesel Topaz ~once because it would not run after owner ran out of fuel, rag and air hose ~fixed it. ~ ~After system has good prime, try tow starting. If will not start check ~compression and injectors and injection pump. ~ ~Trampas ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I have seen more than one diesel sit and then not start. The only way to get them started was to pull start them or hook 24V to starter. The problem is the rings get stuck. Rings are funny things, the more compression on the engine the better they seal. Thus you have to raise compression to get free, the only good way is turn engine fast. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update '82 300D (Blue Bomber). I poured some Marvel Mystery oil into each cylinder last evening and then turned the engine over by hand. Each cylinder shot the oil out like a gyser. I had the injector lines loose, I guess. They were finger tight, then loosened 1/4-1/2 turn. I'll try cracking them from tight. Next time I try to start it, I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF. ~ ~If you see oozing, my guess is that the pump is ok. if the caps are loose, ~you see fuel ooze. if the caps are cracked just right, you will get high ~pressure spurts. about 1/16 turn to 1/8 turn is cracking the line. ~ ~it is more likely that you have low compression/stuck rings or bad glow ~plugs/prechambers or a combination of all. ~it is also possible that the rack in the pump is stuck. I have never ~encountered this. What year was this? does it have the mechanical ~governor? I think all coupes would have the mechanical governor. I am not ~sure when they changed over to the mechanical governor from the vacuum. 77 ~78 may have vacuum. I know some of the early 123s had the swing tube intake. ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Should I try 2 batteries in series? Will that hurt the glow plugs? ~ ~I have seen more than one diesel sit and then not start. The only way to get ~them started was to pull start them or hook 24V to starter. The problem is ~the rings get stuck. Rings are funny things, the more compression on the ~engine the better they seal. Thus you have to raise compression to get free, ~the only good way is turn engine fast. ~ ~Trampas ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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Luther Gulseth wrote: How far should the IP squirt fuel out of a cracked injector line? The quantity of fuel ejected from the injection line with each cycle of the injection pump is TINY. If you agree that the engine consumes maybe a liter an hour at idle. In an hour there are maybe 72,000 injection pulses from a 240D idling at 600 rpm. That's 1000 ml/72,000 pulses or about 0.01 ml with each injection pulse. Even if you double or treble that amount, that's a TINY amount of fuel. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update
Luther Gulseth wrote: Should I try 2 batteries in series? Will that hurt the glow plugs? Two batteries in series MIGHT easily burn up a few glow plugs or at least fry the glow plug fuse, but I've never tried it. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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When I put 24V on the starter what I do is disconnect the starter pos battery terminal from rest of system. Then place second battery between original and starter cable. Thus the main electrical system, glow plugs etc are still 12V and the starter is the only 24V thing. Again it is much much easier to tow start. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update Luther Gulseth wrote: Should I try 2 batteries in series? Will that hurt the glow plugs? Two batteries in series MIGHT easily burn up a few glow plugs or at least fry the glow plug fuse, but I've never tried it. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Sure, much easier to tow start if you have a tow dolly or known good brakes.. ~ ~When I put 24V on the starter what I do is disconnect the starter pos ~battery terminal from rest of system. Then place second battery between ~original and starter cable. Thus the main electrical system, glow plugs etc ~are still 12V and the starter is the only 24V thing. ~ ~Again it is much much easier to tow start. ~ ~Trampas ~ ~-Original Message- ~From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~On Behalf Of Marshall Booth ~Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:32 PM ~To: Mercedes Discussion List ~Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ Should I try 2 batteries in series? Will that hurt the glow plugs? ~ ~ ~Two batteries in series MIGHT easily burn up a few glow plugs or at ~least fry the glow plug fuse, but I've never tried it. ~ ~Marshall ~-- ~ Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) ~ der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 ~turbo 237kmi ~ ~___ ~http://www.striplin.net ~For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ ~For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: ~http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ~ ~ ~___ ~http://www.striplin.net ~For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ ~For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: ~http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 09:35 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote: I thought so, all I saw last night was oozing from the lines. Maybe this car has an injection problem, and that's why it seems to fire only once every few seconds when it's trying to start. If you're referring to the return lines they have little pressure. The steel lines to the injectors are high pressure. Picking up cylinders one at a time is normal in cold starts or after running out of fuel. Have you ever read the cold start procedure in your Owner's Manual? What's the best way to check the injection pump? With an injector pump tester. Actually that is best left to those in the know. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update
On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote: I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF. Why ATF? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little. And if its an old diesel, how much harm can that really do? On 2/10/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote: I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF. Why ATF? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
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On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Should I try 2 batteries in series? Will that hurt the glow plugs? I don't see how it would hurt the GPs and the starter will probably love it but consider isolating the rest of your electrical system lest you fry expensive electronics. Try blowing some air into the vacuum shut-off box at a low pressure. Have you run a compression test yet? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 01:46 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little. And if its an old diesel, how much harm can that really do? He'll be getting straight ATF to the injectors. Not quite sure he understands what and why he's doing some of this stuff. Probably because someone told him to. Luther bring it over to me and I'll either have it running for you, diagnose your problem or condemn it. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has sat around for about 10 years. ~ ~ ~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ ~ I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF. ~ ~ ~ Why ATF? ~ ~Johnny B. ~I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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I have a diesel compression checker in my posession. What values should I see on a cold engine that's not been used for around 10 years? ~ ~ ~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ ~ Should I try 2 batteries in series? Will that hurt the glow plugs? ~ ~ ~ I don't see how it would hurt the GPs and the starter will probably ~love it but consider isolating the rest of your electrical system lest ~you fry expensive electronics. Try blowing some air into the vacuum ~shut-off box at a low pressure. ~ Have you run a compression test yet? ~ ~Johnny B. ~I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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Luther Gulseth wrote: I have a diesel compression checker in my posession. What values should I see on a cold engine that's not been used for around 10 years? Mercedes has no specs for cold compression checks. They can be useful for diagnosing problems, but there are no hard and fast rules for what to look for. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
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Luther Gulseth wrote: For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has sat around for about 10 years. I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though. Why not just put straight diesel in the spin-on filter? -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
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I don't want you to do it for me. I would like to learn on my own. I paid good money for this car ($150) with a nearly perfect interior and not a touch of rust on the paint. It only has 75kmi on the ticker. The salvage yard I got it from said it had a hole in the block. I have yet to find one. Luther ~ ~ ~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 01:46 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: ~ ~ Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little. And if its an old ~ diesel, how much harm can that really do? ~ ~ ~ He'll be getting straight ATF to the injectors. Not quite sure he ~understands what and why he's doing some of this stuff. Probably ~because someone told him to. ~ Luther bring it over to me and I'll either have it running for you, ~diagnose your problem or condemn it. ~ ~Johnny B. ~I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:10:58 -0500 John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has sat around for about 10 years. I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though. Why not just put straight diesel in the spin-on filter? Or, better yet, Lubro-Moly Diesel Purge. Craig
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It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like diesel can. I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull start the dang thing. I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and have to work tomorrow. Luther ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has ~sat around for about 10 years. ~ ~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though. Why not just put ~straight diesel in the spin-on filter? ~ ~-- ~John L. Ervine ~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi ~1980 300TD 175+kmi ~1980 300SD 277+kmi ~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi ~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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Huh? Did I miss the memo on this? On 2/10/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight Luther -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Tow start it! Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update I don't want you to do it for me. I would like to learn on my own. I paid good money for this car ($150) with a nearly perfect interior and not a touch of rust on the paint. It only has 75kmi on the ticker. The salvage yard I got it from said it had a hole in the block. I have yet to find one. Luther ~ ~ ~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 01:46 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: ~ ~ Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little. And if its an old ~ diesel, how much harm can that really do? ~ ~ ~ He'll be getting straight ATF to the injectors. Not quite sure he ~understands what and why he's doing some of this stuff. Probably ~because someone told him to. ~ Luther bring it over to me and I'll either have it running for you, ~diagnose your problem or condemn it. ~ ~Johnny B. ~I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Luther, If the brakes don't work fix them first or at least make sure the E-brake works. Then two start it. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like diesel can. I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull start the dang thing. I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and have to work tomorrow. Luther ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has ~sat around for about 10 years. ~ ~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though. Why not just put ~straight diesel in the spin-on filter? ~ ~-- ~John L. Ervine ~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi ~1980 300TD 175+kmi ~1980 300SD 277+kmi ~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi ~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 02:03 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has sat around for about 10 years. Where'd you get the idea from? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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I can be such an ID10T sometimes, I'd done forgotten about the E-brake. ~ ~Luther, ~ ~If the brakes don't work fix them first or at least make sure the E-brake ~works. Then two start it. ~ ~Trampas ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has an 83 240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date tonight. Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing tonight. Is this right? Dave W - Original Message - From: Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update Luther, If the brakes don't work fix them first or at least make sure the E-brake works. Then two start it. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like diesel can. I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull start the dang thing. I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and have to work tomorrow. Luther ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has ~sat around for about 10 years. ~ ~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though. Why not just put ~straight diesel in the spin-on filter? ~ ~-- ~John L. Ervine ~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi ~1980 300TD 175+kmi ~1980 300SD 277+kmi ~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi ~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Luther Gulseth wrote: I thought so, all I saw last night was oozing from the lines. The injection pump is a positive-displacement pump. That means it pushes out a fixed amount of fuel, and the pressure will build to whatever it needs to to allow that amount to flow. The upshot is you only actually see 1800 psi if there's an injector on the other end of the line. If the line is open the pressure will be essentially 0 and the fuel will just trickle out.
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And I paid $50 for my VW diesel and will probably curl up with a good book tonight, unless my parts from Rusty arrive today, in which case I will be installing a new brake master cylinder. On 2/10/06, Dave Wakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has an 83 240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date tonight. Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing tonight. Is this right? Dave W -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Mine's a '82 300D, see the signature line. ~ ~Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has an 83 ~240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date tonight. ~ ~Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing ~tonight. ~ ~Is this right? ~ ~Dave W ~ ~ ~ ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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Hard to remember who's cheap diesel these posts are for - Luther has an 83 240D, paid $150, wants to use ATF instead of diesel, and has a date tonight. Kevin has a 74 (73) 220D, paid $100, and we don't know what he is doing tonight. You've got it right. Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon 1973 220D x01K miles, unnamed
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Luther Gulseth wrote: I have a diesel compression checker in my posession. What values should I see on a cold engine that's not been used for around 10 years? On an engine that hasn't run in years, the results of a cold compression test will be all over the place - and only if they are rather even (VERY unlikely) will they mean anything. I wouldn't waste your time. Spend the same amount of time starting the engine - that will tell you MUCH more. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 01:33:24PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: Sure, much easier to tow start if you have a tow dolly or known good brakes.. I think you've solved the brake problem. Don't need a tow dolly, all you need is a rope and something that can pull. And in your line of work, you have no shortage of trucks that can pull things :) K
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I also have a compression tester. Maybe it's time to pull it out and test things on this 220D once it's home in the driveway. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D unnaned and unknown miles
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NOo. I don't like the odds of loosing the nearly perfect interior! Nor do I want a n/a 240! Me likes the turbos. ~ ~I say let's find a HUUGE hill, put both mine and Luther's cars at the ~top with filters filled with ATF and wel-soaked cylinders and send them both ~to the bottom. Whichever car is running by the time they get to the bottom ~is MINE! If they're both running, I'll take the one that makes it back up ~to the top first. ~ ~Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon ~1973 220D unnamed with unknown mileage ~ ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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If it has been sitting, chances are its going to take a tow start to revive it, if the engine is not shot. Question is, why has it been sitting in the first place? Luther Gulseth wrote: '82 300D (Blue Bomber). I poured some Marvel Mystery oil into each cylinder last evening and then turned the engine over by hand. Each cylinder shot the oil out like a gyser. I had the injector lines loose, I guess. They were finger tight, then loosened 1/4-1/2 turn. I'll try cracking them from tight. Next time I try to start it, I'll replace both fuel filters and fill the spin-on with ATF. ~ ~If you see oozing, my guess is that the pump is ok. if the caps are loose, ~you see fuel ooze. if the caps are cracked just right, you will get high ~pressure spurts. about 1/16 turn to 1/8 turn is cracking the line. ~ ~it is more likely that you have low compression/stuck rings or bad glow ~plugs/prechambers or a combination of all. ~it is also possible that the rack in the pump is stuck. I have never ~encountered this. What year was this? does it have the mechanical ~governor? I think all coupes would have the mechanical governor. I am not ~sure when they changed over to the mechanical governor from the vacuum. 77 ~78 may have vacuum. I know some of the early 123s had the swing tube intake. ~ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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I have, or rather had, one. Its still here though. Luther Gulseth wrote: Sure, much easier to tow start if you have a tow dolly or known good brakes.. ~ ~When I put 24V on the starter what I do is disconnect the starter pos ~battery terminal from rest of system. Then place second battery between ~original and starter cable. Thus the main electrical system, glow plugs etc ~are still 12V and the starter is the only 24V thing. ~ ~Again it is much much easier to tow start. ~ ~Trampas ~ ~-Original Message- ~From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~On Behalf Of Marshall Booth ~Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:32 PM ~To: Mercedes Discussion List ~Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ Should I try 2 batteries in series? Will that hurt the glow plugs? ~ ~ ~Two batteries in series MIGHT easily burn up a few glow plugs or at ~least fry the glow plug fuse, but I've never tried it. ~ ~Marshall ~-- ~ Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) ~ der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 ~turbo 237kmi ~ ~___ ~http://www.striplin.net ~For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ ~For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: ~http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ~ ~ ~___ ~http://www.striplin.net ~For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ ~For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: ~http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Its going to need at least around 270 to start. If you are seeing figured below 200, into the 100's or even lower, its got stuck rings or is just plain worn out. If its healthy, you will see well into the 300's. Luther Gulseth wrote: I have a diesel compression checker in my posession. What values should I see on a cold engine that's not been used for around 10 years? ~ ~ ~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ ~ Should I try 2 batteries in series? Will that hurt the glow plugs? ~ ~ ~ I don't see how it would hurt the GPs and the starter will probably ~love it but consider isolating the rest of your electrical system lest ~you fry expensive electronics. Try blowing some air into the vacuum ~shut-off box at a low pressure. ~ Have you run a compression test yet? ~ ~Johnny B. ~I Mac Therefore I am -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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probably holes in the pistons. Luther Gulseth wrote: I don't want you to do it for me. I would like to learn on my own. I paid good money for this car ($150) with a nearly perfect interior and not a touch of rust on the paint. It only has 75kmi on the ticker. The salvage yard I got it from said it had a hole in the block. I have yet to find one. Luther ~ ~ ~On Friday, February 10, 2006, at 01:46 PM, Sunil Hari wrote: ~ ~ Maybe he wants to grease up the cylinders a little. And if its an old ~ diesel, how much harm can that really do? ~ ~ ~ He'll be getting straight ATF to the injectors. Not quite sure he ~understands what and why he's doing some of this stuff. Probably ~because someone told him to. ~ Luther bring it over to me and I'll either have it running for you, ~diagnose your problem or condemn it. ~ ~Johnny B. ~I Mac Therefore I am -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Oh no, another date? Luther Gulseth wrote: It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like diesel can. I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull start the dang thing. I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and have to work tomorrow. Luther ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has ~sat around for about 10 years. ~ ~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though. Why not just put ~straight diesel in the spin-on filter? ~ ~-- ~John L. Ervine ~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi ~1980 300TD 175+kmi ~1980 300SD 277+kmi ~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi ~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi ~ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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you need GOOD working brakes for this Trampas wrote: Luther, If the brakes don't work fix them first or at least make sure the E-brake works. Then two start it. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] $100 MB diesel update It's thicker than diesel and won't wash the walls of each cylinder like diesel can. I can see that I'm just gonna have to find a hill to use as brakes and pull start the dang thing. I'll do that Sunday since I have a date tonight and have to work tomorrow. Luther ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ For extra lubrication and compression to everything involved. The car has ~sat around for about 10 years. ~ ~I don't see how ATF will increase compression, though. Why not just put ~straight diesel in the spin-on filter? ~ ~-- ~John L. Ervine ~1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi ~1980 300TD 175+kmi ~1980 300SD 277+kmi ~1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi ~1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi ~ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
