Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Yes, the old days.  I grew up the Huntington area of southern WV.  The first 
McD anywhere around was there.  You walked up to the outside window to order.  
There was no where to sit so you ate in your car.  The restrooms were on the 
outside.  And they did have two arches, but I like to joke that I've eaten 
there since only one arch.  It was a great place to take a date after a movie.  
Hamburger, fries, and a soft drink were very affordable for a high school kid.  

 Anyway, McD been good to me.  I hope each of you have a fond memory of 
somewhere you ate when young.

Best wishes and Happy Holidays,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I remember when the sign first said one million sold, then many years 
later, a billion.   I think the first McD sign I saw in 1961 may have 
said 250,000 sold.  I remember they changed it several times before it 
hit a million.



Craig via Mercedes 
December 1, 2018 at 3:41 PM
On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:39:17 -0500 (EST) ROGER HALE via Mercedes

I remember going to the store in Inglewood, California, and seeing on the
sign, "Over 100,000 burgers sold."


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Roger wrote:
> Gee guys, me thinks you are become a little snobbish about things...picking 
> on McD now.  I've eaten at McD since they only had one arch and only walk up 
> service.  Maybe my palate is a little more flexible or maybe it hasn't been 
> tainted by "fine dining".  I know we all like what we like, but it seems this 
> is another low point to be picking on McD.  Just my opinion as usual, your 
> tastes are yours.
>

Shall we change the tone of this McD thread? - How about recall your
first McD visit?  My first McD was a coupon for filet-o-fish so I rode
to Forest Park ~1963 on my ~1938 Chicago Schwinn that I still ride.
Parkey's hot dogs were also memorable for their fresh fries ($0.10)
served in brown paper bag all greasy salted yum.  Also yum was A
Spanish Bar Cake markdown $0.10 - recipe for A Spanish Bar Cake is
online.
Carry on, guys - Roger has asked for a new tone for the McD thread?
... down memory lane? ... perhaps?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:39:17 -0500 (EST) ROGER HALE via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Gee guys, me thinks you are become a little snobbish about
> things...picking on McD now.  I've eaten at McD since they only had one
> arch and only walk up service.  Maybe my palate is a little more
> flexible or maybe it hasn't been tainted by "fine dining".  I know we
> all like what we like, but it seems this is another low point to be
> picking on McD.  Just my opinion as usual, your tastes are yours.

I remember going to the store in Inglewood, California, and seeing on the
sign, "Over 100,000 burgers sold."


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Gee guys, me thinks you are become a little snobbish about things...picking on 
McD now.  I've eaten at McD since they only had one arch and only walk up 
service.  Maybe my palate is a little more flexible or maybe it hasn't been 
tainted by "fine dining".  I know we all like what we like, but it seems this 
is another low point to be picking on McD.  Just my opinion as usual, your 
tastes are yours.

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
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Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I like the McD's breakfast McMuffin things, lots of fat and protein,
salty.  Not something to eat often, but I find them non-offensive and
satisfying.  Thow in coffee and hashbrown, about $5 or $6 total, away you
go.

Just about everything else on their menu disagrees with my gut, expect once
I had a salad in a cup and that was not too bad.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> You folks are fussy. I will eat almost anything, including McDonald's.
> Might not be my first choice, but better than nothing.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:12:46 -0500
Dwight Giles via Mercedes  wrote:

> Well now you have to eat that. LOL
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Nov 30, 2018 5:07 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> On 30/11/2018 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > You folks are fussy. I will eat almost anything, including McDonald's.
> > Might not be my first choice, but better than nothing.
> >
> > RB
> >
...
I have my doubtw RB will eat "anything" from here:

https://www.google.com/search?q=china+insect+market+=utf-8=utf-8=firefox-b-1-ab

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

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> On November 30, 2018 at 5:06 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Now I find that funny. I say I will eat almost anything and the computer 
> comes up with SPAM.

But would you eat VW taffy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtEQxh019lA

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Well now you have to eat that. LOL

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 30, 2018 5:07 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
wrote:

On 30/11/2018 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> You folks are fussy. I will eat almost anything, including McDonald's.
> Might not be my first choice, but better than nothing.
>
> RB
>
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>

Now I find that funny. I say I will eat almost anything and the computer
comes up with SPAM.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/11/2018 4:03 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
You folks are fussy. I will eat almost anything, including McDonald's. 
Might not be my first choice, but better than nothing.


RB

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Now I find that funny. I say I will eat almost anything and the computer 
comes up with SPAM.


RB


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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** McDonald's

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

You folks are fussy. I will eat almost anything, including McDonald's. 
Might not be my first choice, but better than nothing.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT this will be me when I die

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 The old Coleman stuff is pretty standard stuff, that little red lantern (200A) 
is from a line made from 1953 to 1983. The little stove in the middle is more 
rare but uses the weird little propane/butane tanks they don't make anymore...
-Curt

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 3:34:29 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 But not as nice or as well organized

Some old Coleman stuff in there

https://totalestatesales.smugmug.com/Summerville-Estate-Sale-Liquidation

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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

But not as nice or as well organized

Some old Coleman stuff in there

https://totalestatesales.smugmug.com/Summerville-Estate-Sale-Liquidation

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Carfax Please

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On 27/11/2018 2:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On November 27, 2018 at 2:59 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off hand.

The problem with the quote below is that I know the 1.6L had weak head gaskets 
back in the 1970s.
And don't get me started on the 1990s SVX.

https://carfromjapan.com/article/industry-knowledge/the-history-of-subaru-head-gasket-problem/

The models that have this failed gasket problem are:

 Impreza (from 1999 to 2011)
 Forester (from 1999 to 2010)
 Legacy (from 2000 to 2009)
 Outback (from 2000 to 2009)
 Baja (from 2003 to 2006)

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I wonder about parts availability too. I read on a forum, not too long 
back, about someone who was upset because their Subaru had a cracked oil 
pan - cast aluminum - and there were none available even in Japan. The 
vehicle was out of service until they could find something which was not 
proving to be easy.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Carfax Please

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

The oil pressure sensor on top of the engine needs replaced cause it’s weeping, 
there is a small exhaust leak. The one thing that is odd is that the passenger 
rear tire is bald down to the belts, and the others show expected wear for a 
year old. The doofus owner says he’s done nothing to the tire since he bought 
them. If it were an alignment issue or a strut issue wouldn’t it drive all 
wonky? It drove wonderfully. 

Bob R

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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 27, 2018 at 2:59 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
>> They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off 
>> hand.
> 
> The problem with the quote below is that I know the 1.6L had weak head 
> gaskets back in the 1970s.
> And don't get me started on the 1990s SVX. 
> 
> https://carfromjapan.com/article/industry-knowledge/the-history-of-subaru-head-gasket-problem/
> 
> The models that have this failed gasket problem are:
> 
>Impreza (from 1999 to 2011)
>Forester (from 1999 to 2010)
>Legacy (from 2000 to 2009)
>Outback (from 2000 to 2009)
>Baja (from 2003 to 2006)
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Carfax Please

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 2:59 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe. Timing belt done is a plus.
> They do have head gasket issues, but I don't know the years affected off hand.

The problem with the quote below is that I know the 1.6L had weak head gaskets 
back in the 1970s.
And don't get me started on the 1990s SVX. 

https://carfromjapan.com/article/industry-knowledge/the-history-of-subaru-head-gasket-problem/

The models that have this failed gasket problem are:

Impreza (from 1999 to 2011)
Forester (from 1999 to 2010)
Legacy (from 2000 to 2009)
Outback (from 2000 to 2009)
Baja (from 2003 to 2006)

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Quote without comment

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:39:39 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> IIRC, it was damaging the ozone layer, letting UV in that fries most
> living things. Since it was banned, the hole in the ozone layer has
> closed up. I know, correspondence does not equal causality, but
> still . . .

Indeed correspondence does not equal causality.

Ozone is generated by sunlight. During our summer, the south pole is deep
in winter and receives NO sunlight.


Craig

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[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

You're thinking too logically.  Can't do that with the Greenies.  
Remember the good old days of $1 cans oof R12?  ;-)


LarryT

On 11/25/2018 7:10 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Remember the '70s when R-12 was banned because it caused global cooling. Why 
couldn't we just bring back R-12? Global cooling cancelling out global warming?
Gerry
...
Curley McLain wrote:

Liberally spending other peoples money, stolen at gunpoint, to "Cure" a
nonexistent "problem."

Scientists have proposed a new method to fight global warming:
sun-dimming aerosols released into earth’s atmosphere.

Research from scientists at Harvard and Yale universities was recently
published in a journal called Environmental Research Letters which
proposes using a technique called stratospheric aerosol injection to
fight against climate change. The proposed technique would see
scientists launching sulfate particles into the Earth’s lower
stratosphere at altitudes up 12 miles high.

Currently, the technology exists but there are no aircraft suitable to
carry the particles and “developing a new, purpose-built tanker with
substantial payload capabilities would neither be technologically
difficult nor prohibitively expensive,” the researchers stated. The
researchers have estimated that it would cost $3.5 billion to launch a
system in 15 years time and would cost $2.25 billion a year to
maintain over the course of those 15 years.


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Wouldn't one imaginary problem cancel out another imaginary problem?
Gerry

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 18:30:16 -0600
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> The problem with R12 was that Duponts patents were expiring, so they 
> jumped in with the greenie weenies to ban R12, forcing us to buy $10/lb 
> and up new "refirgerants" in place of $0.50/lb R12.   A much better 
> situation for DuPont.
> 
> Liberally spending other peoples money, stolen at gunpoint, (or not) to 
> "cure" a
> nonexistent "problem."
> 
> 
> > archer75--- via Mercedes 
> > November 25, 2018 at 6:10 PM
> > Remember the '70s when R-12 was banned because it caused global cooling. 
> > Why couldn't we just bring back R-12? Global cooling cancelling out global 
> > warming?
> > Gerry
> > ...
> >
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IIRC, it was damaging the ozone layer, letting UV in that fries most living
things. Since it was banned, the hole in the ozone layer has closed up. I
know, correspondence does not equal causality, but still . . .

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 6:11 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
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> Remember the '70s when R-12 was banned because it caused global cooling.
> Why couldn't we just bring back R-12? Global cooling cancelling out global
> warming?
> Gerry
> ...
> Curley McLain wrote:
> > Liberally spending other peoples money, stolen at gunpoint, to "Cure" a
> > nonexistent "problem."
>
> > > Scientists have proposed a new method to fight global warming:
> > > sun-dimming aerosols released into earth’s atmosphere.
> > >
> > > Research from scientists at Harvard and Yale universities was recently
> > > published in a journal called Environmental Research Letters which
> > > proposes using a technique called stratospheric aerosol injection to
> > > fight against climate change. The proposed technique would see
> > > scientists launching sulfate particles into the Earth’s lower
> > > stratosphere at altitudes up 12 miles high.
> > >
> > > Currently, the technology exists but there are no aircraft suitable to
> > > carry the particles and “developing a new, purpose-built tanker with
> > > substantial payload capabilities would neither be technologically
> > > difficult nor prohibitively expensive,” the researchers stated. The
> > > researchers have estimated that it would cost $3.5 billion to launch a
> > > system in 15 years time and would cost $2.25 billion a year to
> > > maintain over the course of those 15 years.
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The problem with R12 was that Duponts patents were expiring, so they 
jumped in with the greenie weenies to ban R12, forcing us to buy $10/lb 
and up new "refirgerants" in place of $0.50/lb R12.   A much better 
situation for DuPont.


Liberally spending other peoples money, stolen at gunpoint, (or not) to "cure" a
nonexistent "problem."



archer75--- via Mercedes 
November 25, 2018 at 6:10 PM
Remember the '70s when R-12 was banned because it caused global cooling. Why 
couldn't we just bring back R-12? Global cooling cancelling out global warming?
Gerry
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Remember the '70s when R-12 was banned because it caused global cooling. Why 
couldn't we just bring back R-12? Global cooling cancelling out global warming?
Gerry 
...
Curley McLain wrote:
> Liberally spending other peoples money, stolen at gunpoint, to "Cure" a 
> nonexistent "problem."

> > Scientists have proposed a new method to fight global warming: 
> > sun-dimming aerosols released into earth’s atmosphere.
> >
> > Research from scientists at Harvard and Yale universities was recently 
> > published in a journal called Environmental Research Letters which 
> > proposes using a technique called stratospheric aerosol injection to 
> > fight against climate change. The proposed technique would see 
> > scientists launching sulfate particles into the Earth’s lower 
> > stratosphere at altitudes up 12 miles high.
> >
> > Currently, the technology exists but there are no aircraft suitable to 
> > carry the particles and “developing a new, purpose-built tanker with 
> > substantial payload capabilities would neither be technologically 
> > difficult nor prohibitively expensive,” the researchers stated. The 
> > researchers have estimated that it would cost $3.5 billion to launch a 
> > system in 15 years time and would cost $2.25 billion a year to 
> > maintain over the course of those 15 years.
> >
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Liberally spending other peoples money, stolen at gunpoint, to "Cure" a 
nonexistent "problem."



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 25, 2018 at 1:51 PM

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/11/23/scientists-suggest-dimming-the-sun-to-solve-global-warming/

Scientists have proposed a new method to fight global warming: 
sun-dimming aerosols released into earth’s atmosphere.


Research from scientists at Harvard and Yale universities was recently 
published in a journal called Environmental Research Letters which 
proposes using a technique called stratospheric aerosol injection to 
fight against climate change. The proposed technique would see 
scientists launching sulfate particles into the Earth’s lower 
stratosphere at altitudes up 12 miles high.


Currently, the technology exists but there are no aircraft suitable to 
carry the particles and “developing a new, purpose-built tanker with 
substantial payload capabilities would neither be technologically 
difficult nor prohibitively expensive,” the researchers stated. The 
researchers have estimated that it would cost $3.5 billion to launch a 
system in 15 years time and would cost $2.25 billion a year to 
maintain over the course of those 15 years.




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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Maybe they would be more likely to have success with fewer unintended 
consequences if the obsolete nukes were fed to a few remote volcanos.  That 
would spew organical products into the air high enough and wide enough to 
increase albedo, as well as spread the goodness into the oceans and reduce the 
acidity.  



clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 25, 2018 at 1:03 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I predict this "mad monkey" will destroy all the pie in the sky ideas about
>> what the future holds.
> 
> https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/11/23/scientists-suggest-dimming-the-sun-to-solve-global-warming/
> 
> Scientists have proposed a new method to fight global warming: sun-dimming 
> aerosols released into earth’s atmosphere.
> 
> Research from scientists at Harvard and Yale universities was recently 
> published in a journal called Environmental Research Letters which proposes 
> using a technique called stratospheric aerosol injection to fight against 
> climate change. The proposed technique would see scientists launching sulfate 
> particles into the Earth’s lower stratosphere at altitudes up 12 miles high.
> 
> Currently, the technology exists but there are no aircraft suitable to carry 
> the particles and “developing a new, purpose-built tanker with substantial 
> payload capabilities would neither be technologically difficult nor 
> prohibitively expensive,” the researchers stated. The researchers have 
> estimated that it would cost $3.5 billion to launch a system in 15 years time 
> and would cost $2.25 billion a year to maintain over the course of those 15 
> years.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Quote without comment

[G Mann via Mercedes]

How about we simply ignite the methane gas coming out of academia and such
scientist?

I'm sure the ensuing fire would envelope the earth is a smoke cloud that
would block the sun for a couple hundred years. OR, we could just have more
forest fires brought on by bad forest management and bad environmental
logic?  More smoke, blocks sun, cools earth.

Wait that doesn't generate billions and billions of spending in public
tax dollars for a new program you just thought up... does it... h...

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 12:52 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On November 25, 2018 at 1:03 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I predict this "mad monkey" will destroy all the pie in the sky ideas
> about
> > what the future holds.
>
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/11/23/scientists-suggest-dimming-the-sun-to-solve-global-warming/
>
> Scientists have proposed a new method to fight global warming: sun-dimming
> aerosols released into earth’s atmosphere.
>
> Research from scientists at Harvard and Yale universities was recently
> published in a journal called Environmental Research Letters which proposes
> using a technique called stratospheric aerosol injection to fight against
> climate change. The proposed technique would see scientists launching
> sulfate particles into the Earth’s lower stratosphere at altitudes up 12
> miles high.
>
> Currently, the technology exists but there are no aircraft suitable to
> carry the particles and “developing a new, purpose-built tanker with
> substantial payload capabilities would neither be technologically difficult
> nor prohibitively expensive,” the researchers stated. The researchers have
> estimated that it would cost $3.5 billion to launch a system in 15 years
> time and would cost $2.25 billion a year to maintain over the course of
> those 15 years.
>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Quote without comment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 25, 2018 at 1:03 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I predict this "mad monkey" will destroy all the pie in the sky ideas about
> what the future holds.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/11/23/scientists-suggest-dimming-the-sun-to-solve-global-warming/

Scientists have proposed a new method to fight global warming: sun-dimming 
aerosols released into earth’s atmosphere.

Research from scientists at Harvard and Yale universities was recently 
published in a journal called Environmental Research Letters which proposes 
using a technique called stratospheric aerosol injection to fight against 
climate change. The proposed technique would see scientists launching sulfate 
particles into the Earth’s lower stratosphere at altitudes up 12 miles high.

Currently, the technology exists but there are no aircraft suitable to carry 
the particles and “developing a new, purpose-built tanker with substantial 
payload capabilities would neither be technologically difficult nor 
prohibitively expensive,” the researchers stated. The researchers have 
estimated that it would cost $3.5 billion to launch a system in 15 years time 
and would cost $2.25 billion a year to maintain over the course of those 15 
years.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Quote without comment

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The great prophet of all things about to happen has thus spoken

ONE little disconnect from true logic, however, which is a fatal flaw in
all he says... That is the hard wired genetic human need for self
determination. Rather than letting some one of some thing make all
decisions.

I predict this "mad monkey" will destroy all the pie in the sky ideas about
what the future holds.

Well, that, and a few massive solar flairs which wipe out all things
electrical... which is the total basis for all of his ideas.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 8:29 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One obvious omission is the number of fatalities caused by these
> "wonderful" electric cars that silently attack pedestrians who can't
> hear them coming.   The proponents will claim that their "smart" car
> will sense and avoid the pedestrian.  Even "Failproof" systems fail.
> There will be a rise of pedestrian deaths if the number of elektrick
> cars increases.
>
> The author is obviously a city dweller, who doesn't go beyond the 20
> mile or so round trip range of an elektrick car.   The real world will
> be more harsh than the utopian world (s)he projects.
>
> > archer75--- via Mercedes 
> > November 25, 2018 at 2:37 AM
> >> Food for Thought
> >
> >> *Auto repair shops will go away.*
> >> *A gasoline engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has
> 20.
> >> Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are only repaired by
> >> dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric
> motor.
> >> Faulty electric motors are not repaired in the dealership but are sent
> to a
> >> regional repair shop that repairs them with robots. Your electric motor
> >> malfunction light goes on, so you drive up to what looks like a
> Jiffy-auto
> >> wash, and your car is towed through while you have a cup of coffee and
> out
> >> comes your car with a new electric motor!*
> >
> >> *Gas stations will go away. Parking meters will be replaced by meters
> that
> >> dispense electricity.  Companies will install electrical recharging
> >> stations; in fact, they’ve already started. You can find them at select
> >> Dunkin Donuts locations.*
> >
> >> *Most (the smart) major auto manufacturers have already designated
> money to
> >> start building new plants that only build electric cars.*
> >
> >> *Coal industries will go away. Gasoline/oil companies will go away.
> >> Drilling for oil will stop. So, say goodbye to OPEC!*
> >
> >> *Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during the day and
> >> then they use and will sell it back to the grid. The grid stores it and
> >> dispenses it to industries that are high electricity users. Has anybody
> >> seen the Tesla roof?*
> >
> >> *A baby of today will only see personal cars in museums.*
> >
> >> *The FUTURE is approaching faster than most of us can handle.*
> >
> >> *In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper
> >> worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared,
> and
> >> they went bankrupt. Who would have thought of that ever happening?*
> >
> >> *What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next
> 5-10
> >> years and, most people don't see it coming.*
> >
> >> *Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later, you would never take pictures
> >> on film again? With today’s smart phones, who even has a camera these
> days?*
> >
> >> *Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had
> 10,000
> >> pixels but followed Moore's law.  So as with all exponential
> technologies,
> >> it was a disappointment for a time, before it became way superior and
> >> became mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen again
> (but
> >> much faster) with Artificial Intelligence, health, autonomous and
> electric
> >> cars, education, 3D printing, agriculture and jobs.*
> >
> >> *Forget the book, “Future Shock”, welcome to the 4th Industrial
> Revolution.*
> >
> >> *Software has disrupted and will continue to disrupt most traditional
> >> industries in the next 5-10 years.*
> >
> >> *UBER is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the
> >> biggest taxi company in the world!*
> >>
> >> *Ask any taxi driver if they saw that coming.*
> >
> >> *Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company in the world, although they
> don't
> >> own any properties.*
> >>
> >> *Ask Hilton Hotels if they saw that coming.*
> >
> >> *Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in
> >> understanding the world.*
> >>
> >> *This year, a computer beat the best Go-player in the world, 10 years
> >> earlier than expected.*
> >
> >> *In the USA, young lawyers already don't get jobs. Because of IBM’s
> Watson,
> >> you can get legal advice (so far for right now, the basic stuff) within
> >> seconds, with 90% accuracy compared with 70% accuracy when done by
> humans.
> >> So, if you study law, stop immediately. There will be 90% fewer 

[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Quote without comment

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

A lot of vague assumptions written by a dreamer. Where are they going to get 
all that electricity and what will it cost?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-11-25  2:37 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: 
[MBZ] Quote without comment > Food for Thought > *Auto repair shops will go 
away.*> *A gasoline engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has 
20.> Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are only repaired by> 
dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric motor.> 
Faulty electric motors are not repaired in the dealership but are sent to a> 
regional repair shop that repairs them with robots. Your electric motor> 
malfunction light goes on, so you drive up to what looks like a Jiffy-auto> 
wash, and your car is towed through while you have a cup of coffee and out> 
comes your car with a new electric motor!* > *Gas stations will go away. 
Parking meters will be replaced by meters that> dispense electricity.  
Companies will install electrical recharging> stations; in fact, they’ve 
already started. You can find them at select> Dunkin Donuts locations.*> *Most 
(the smart) major auto manufacturers have already designated money to> start 
building new plants that only build electric cars.* > *Coal industries will go 
away. Gasoline/oil companies will go away.> Drilling for oil will stop. So, say 
goodbye to OPEC!* > *Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during 
the day and> then they use and will sell it back to the grid. The grid stores 
it and> dispenses it to industries that are high electricity users. Has 
anybody> seen the Tesla roof?* > *A baby of today will only see personal cars 
in museums.* > *The FUTURE is approaching faster than most of us can handle.* > 
*In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper> 
worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared, and> they 
went bankrupt. Who would have thought of that ever happening?*> *What happened 
to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next 5-10> years and, most 
people don't see it coming.* > *Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later, you 
would never take pictures> on film again? With today’s smart phones, who even 
has a camera these days?* > *Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The 
first ones only had 10,000> pixels but followed Moore's law.  So as with all 
exponential technologies,> it was a disappointment for a time, before it became 
way superior and> became mainstream in only a few short years. It will now 
happen again (but> much faster) with Artificial Intelligence, health, 
autonomous and electric> cars, education, 3D printing, agriculture and jobs.* > 
*Forget the book, “Future Shock”, welcome to the 4th Industrial Revolution.*> 
*Software has disrupted and will continue to disrupt most traditional> 
industries in the next 5-10 years.*> *UBER is just a software tool, they don't 
own any cars, and are now the> biggest taxi company in the world!*> > *Ask any 
taxi driver if they saw that coming.* > *Airbnb is now the biggest hotel 
company in the world, although they don't> own any properties.*> > *Ask Hilton 
Hotels if they saw that coming.* > *Artificial Intelligence: Computers become 
exponentially better in> understanding the world.*> > *This year, a computer 
beat the best Go-player in the world, 10 years> earlier than expected.* > *In 
the USA, young lawyers already don't get jobs. Because of IBM’s Watson,> you 
can get legal advice (so far for right now, the basic stuff) within> seconds, 
with 90% accuracy compared with 70% accuracy when done by humans.> So, if you 
study law, stop immediately. There will be 90% fewer lawyers in> the future, 
(what a thought!) only omniscient specialists will remain.* > *Watson already 
helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate> than human nurses.* 
> *Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can recognize faces> 
better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more intelligent than> 
humans.* > *Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars are already 
here. In> the next 2 years, the entire industry will start to be disrupted. You 
won't> want to own a car anymore as you will call a car with your phone, it 
will> show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not> 
need to park it you will only pay for the driven distance and you can be> 
productive while driving. The very young children of today will never get a> 
driver's license and will never own a car.*> *This will change our cities, 
because we will need 90-95% fewer cars. We> can transform former parking spaces 
into parks.* > *1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide 
including> distracted or drunk driving. We now have one accident every 60,000 
miles;> with autonomous driving that will drop to 1 accident in 6 million 

[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: Quote without comment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

One obvious omission is the number of fatalities caused by these 
"wonderful" electric cars that silently attack pedestrians who can't 
hear them coming.   The proponents will claim that their "smart" car 
will sense and avoid the pedestrian.  Even "Failproof" systems fail.  
There will be a rise of pedestrian deaths if the number of elektrick 
cars increases.


The author is obviously a city dweller, who doesn't go beyond the 20 
mile or so round trip range of an elektrick car.   The real world will 
be more harsh than the utopian world (s)he projects.



archer75--- via Mercedes 
November 25, 2018 at 2:37 AM

Food for Thought



*Auto repair shops will go away.*
*A gasoline engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has 20.
Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are only repaired by
dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric motor.
Faulty electric motors are not repaired in the dealership but are sent to a
regional repair shop that repairs them with robots. Your electric motor
malfunction light goes on, so you drive up to what looks like a Jiffy-auto
wash, and your car is towed through while you have a cup of coffee and out
comes your car with a new electric motor!*



*Gas stations will go away. Parking meters will be replaced by meters that
dispense electricity.  Companies will install electrical recharging
stations; in fact, they’ve already started. You can find them at select
Dunkin Donuts locations.*



*Most (the smart) major auto manufacturers have already designated money to
start building new plants that only build electric cars.*



*Coal industries will go away. Gasoline/oil companies will go away.
Drilling for oil will stop. So, say goodbye to OPEC!*



*Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during the day and
then they use and will sell it back to the grid. The grid stores it and
dispenses it to industries that are high electricity users. Has anybody
seen the Tesla roof?*



*A baby of today will only see personal cars in museums.*



*The FUTURE is approaching faster than most of us can handle.*



*In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper
worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared, and
they went bankrupt. Who would have thought of that ever happening?*



*What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next 5-10
years and, most people don't see it coming.*



*Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later, you would never take pictures
on film again? With today’s smart phones, who even has a camera these days?*



*Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had 10,000
pixels but followed Moore's law.  So as with all exponential technologies,
it was a disappointment for a time, before it became way superior and
became mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen again (but
much faster) with Artificial Intelligence, health, autonomous and electric
cars, education, 3D printing, agriculture and jobs.*



*Forget the book, “Future Shock”, welcome to the 4th Industrial Revolution.*



*Software has disrupted and will continue to disrupt most traditional
industries in the next 5-10 years.*



*UBER is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the
biggest taxi company in the world!*

*Ask any taxi driver if they saw that coming.*



*Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company in the world, although they don't
own any properties.*

*Ask Hilton Hotels if they saw that coming.*



*Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in
understanding the world.*

*This year, a computer beat the best Go-player in the world, 10 years
earlier than expected.*



*In the USA, young lawyers already don't get jobs. Because of IBM’s Watson,
you can get legal advice (so far for right now, the basic stuff) within
seconds, with 90% accuracy compared with 70% accuracy when done by humans.
So, if you study law, stop immediately. There will be 90% fewer lawyers in
the future, (what a thought!) only omniscient specialists will remain.*



*Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate
than human nurses.*



*Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can recognize faces
better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more intelligent than
humans.*



*Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars are already here. In
the next 2 years, the entire industry will start to be disrupted. You won't
want to own a car anymore as you will call a car with your phone, it will
show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not
need to park it you will only pay for the driven distance and you can be
productive while driving. The very young children of today will never get a
driver's license and will never own a car.*



*This will change our cities, because we will need 90-95% fewer cars. We
can transform former parking spaces into parks.*

Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: $#|¥@

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes they eat springs and shocks rapidly without the clutch. That is why it
was added. It wont make the motor more efficient at all.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 1:29 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> And that flapping belt transmits the force of those pulses to the power
> steering pump and the AC compressor.  The very expensive dual-circuit power
> steering pump on my '95 E300 developed a crack in the aluminum mount and
> also was leaking from the shaft seal at a mere 250k miles, I suspect that
> component as well as the serpentine belt tension device / shock / spring
> will all last longer with the OAP clutched pulley.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:24 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  It balances out the impulses from the engine and the inertia of the
> > alternator.
> > Theres a video on YouTube somewhere that highlights why the pulley is
> > useful, without an overrunning pulley the belt flaps all over the place,
> > with the overrunning pulley its much smoother.
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 7, 2018, 3:16:11 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >  So remind me . . .  what is the purpose of the free wheeling pulley on
> > the alternator?
> >
> > RB
> >
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Indeed

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   All of the above.

Dan


> On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ouch!    Best wishes.  Heal fast!
> 
>> archer75--- via Mercedes 
>> November 9, 2018 at 1:53 PM
>> fell in a restaurant...hairline fracture of pelvis...out of hospital...in 
>> physical therapy unit...should be going home in 2 weeks...progressing well.
>> 
>> typing difficult here. Will be enjoying your posts but won't be posting 
>> myself.
>> 
>> Best wishes to everyone.
>> 
>> Gerry
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

All of the above.

Dan


> On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ouch!Best wishes.   Heal fast!
> 
>> archer75--- via Mercedes 
>> November 9, 2018 at 1:53 PM
>> fell in a restaurant...hairline fracture of pelvis...out of hospital...in 
>> physical therapy unit...should be going home in 2 weeks...progressing well.
>> 
>> typing difficult here. Will be enjoying your posts but won't be posting 
>> myself.
>> 
>> Best wishes to everyone.
>> 
>> Gerry
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: What Could Be Wrong?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Consider that I’m no expert on the W210, but from what I’ve read in various 
forums, the EIS system is pretty robust and not likely to just suddenly puke 
without warning.

Here’s a BW thread on the coil replacement:

https://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210-e-class/2247242-w210-1998-smart-key-transponder-coil.html#post11047234

-D



> On Nov 9, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dan. I will take a look at this tomorrow and make him a Kaleb or less 
> offer. I've looked around and these W210's are the Rodney Dangerfield of 
> Mercedes. They get no respect.
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: November 9, 2018 10:26 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] What Could Be Wrong?
> 
> 
> Protbably keys.  They usually fail without warning.  Easy resolder job that 
> takes all of about 5 minutes, if that.  EIS is pretty rugged.
> 
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

And that flapping belt transmits the force of those pulses to the power
steering pump and the AC compressor.  The very expensive dual-circuit power
steering pump on my '95 E300 developed a crack in the aluminum mount and
also was leaking from the shaft seal at a mere 250k miles, I suspect that
component as well as the serpentine belt tension device / shock / spring
will all last longer with the OAP clutched pulley.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:24 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  It balances out the impulses from the engine and the inertia of the
> alternator.
> Theres a video on YouTube somewhere that highlights why the pulley is
> useful, without an overrunning pulley the belt flaps all over the place,
> with the overrunning pulley its much smoother.
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018, 3:16:11 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  So remind me . . .  what is the purpose of the free wheeling pulley on
> the alternator?
>
> RB
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

ostensibly to extend the life of the idler bearing on an M 606 beyond a 
mere 200-250k miles or ~20 years.  With a cost of ~20 if you change the 
bearing or what? ~$60 if you replace the assembly?   I think the last 
assy I bought cost $5 but it was used...While the clutched pulley 
gives little warning, and the idler bearing can give years or 10s of 
thousands of miles warning. Give me an 87 300SDL or 87300D 
please!  Keep the accountant designed junkboxes.


In the meantime the clutched pulley owner spent $80 for 2 pulleys, and 
$200 for 2 tows and untold frustration and costs of being stranded.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 7, 2018 at 2:23 PM
It balances out the impulses from the engine and the inertia of the 
alternator.
Theres a video on YouTube somewhere that highlights why the pulley is 
useful, without an overrunning pulley the belt flaps all over the 
place, with the overrunning pulley its much smoother.

-Curt



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So remind me . . .  what is the purpose of the free wheeling pulley on 
the alternator?


RB

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to save .002 MPG; while discounting 100% the costs of being towed, being 
stranded, buying a donkey to ride home etc.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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So remind me . . .  what is the purpose of the free wheeling pulley on 
the alternator?


RB


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 It balances out the impulses from the engine and the inertia of the alternator.
Theres a video on YouTube somewhere that highlights why the pulley is useful, 
without an overrunning pulley the belt flaps all over the place, with the 
overrunning pulley its much smoother.
-Curt

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 So remind me . . .  what is the purpose of the free wheeling pulley on 
the alternator?

RB

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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks, that's an interesting article.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:41 AM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Randy wrote:
>
> > I have a battery that may be junk. I had it on the charger one
> > afternoon this weekend at  a 2 Amp rate. It did not come up to
> > the point where the charger light turned from red to green
>
> Is that a Red Green reference?  *smiles*
>
> Sounds to me like maybe it needs de-sulfating/equalizing.  This
> effectively means a controlled over-charge.  It will shorten the
> life of the battery - but if it's junk (or nearly so) that's not
> much of a risk.
>
> But if you don't have a way to set the charge 16 V, it may not be
> practical.
>
>
> Here is the text of an article on the topic.
>
> ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~
> from https://shop.pkys.com/Battery-Equalization_ep_44.html
>
> Battery Equalization
>
> Equalizing lead acid batteries is a process designed to
> de-sulphate the battery plates by carrying out a controlled
> overcharge. Battery plates tend to acquire a sulphate coating
> over time which then hinders the chemical action between the
> electrolyte and the plate.  By equalizing the battery in this
> controlled overcharge the outer layer of the plate, including
> the sulphate coating, is blown off, thereby rejuvenating the
> battery and allowing all the surface area of the plates to
> interact with the electrolyte.  It also causes the electrolyte
> to bubble and in wet cell batteries this mixes up the acid and
> distributes it evenly throughout the cell.
>
> Recommendations on the frequency at which equalization be
> carried out vary from monthly to once or twice a year.  Some
> manufacturers only recommend it be carried out when necessary,
> (Trojan), or once every six months or as necessary, (Rolls).
> My personal experience is that equalizing the batteries is a
> rather tedious, worrisome and smelly process so once or twice
> a year is more than enough.  I particularly recommend it
> though for boats that rarely come to the dock.  Such vessels
> get their batteries fully charged less often and seem to
> report tired batteries on a more frequent basis than boats
> that get fully charged on a regular basis.
>
> Equalizing the batteries is a tool that can be used to
> rejuvenate tired batteries or to prevent batteries from
> becoming tired.  As a tool it is a double edged sword of
> course, this removal of the outer layer of the plates reduces
> their size and volume and thus their longevity. The material
> removed will fall to the bottom and may eventually short out
> the plates. I find that the best way to decide on whether to
> equalize and how often is to consult the information from the
> relevant battery manufacturer.  You will find different
> opinions even among battery manufacturers on the way
> equalization is to be carried out.
>
> Victron Amp Hour MeterIf you are reading this article it is
> probably because you are having battery trouble. One of the
> best ways of heading off trouble in the future is to install
> an amp hour meter to give you a better idea of how your
> batteries are performing.  Scroll to the end of this article
> for more information.
>
> Equalizing wet cell batteries
>
> 1. The batteries must be fully charged to begin with.
>
> 2. Disconnect all loads. You are going to allow the battery
>voltage to rise higher than normal; to 15 or 16 volts for a
>12 volt battery bank. You don't want to damage sensitive
>electronic equipment that might be connected.
>
> 3. Remove any hydrocaps fitted to the cells
>
> 4. Connect the charger and set it to the equalizing voltage.
>(For Trojan wet cell batteries the recommended equalizing
>voltage is 15.5 volts for a 12 volt bank, for Rolls the
>equivalent voltage is 15.5 - 16 volts)
>
> 5. Batteries will begin gassing and bubbling vigorously
>
> 6. Don't allow the battery temperature to rise much above 115
>degrees F and never above 125 degrees.  Measure from a
>center cell.
>
> 7. Take the specific gravity at hourly intervals
>
> 8. Equalization is complete when the specific gravity no
> longer rises.
>
> For Rolls batteries the end of the instructions were more specific
>
> 9. If severely sulfated, it may take many hours for the
>specific gravity to rise.
>
> 10. Once the specific gravity begins to rise the bank voltage
> will most likely drop or the charging current will
> increase. The charging current may need to be lowered if
> temperature approaches 125F (46C). If the charge
> controller was by passed, it should now be used or put
> back in line.
>
> 11. Continue measuring the specific gravity until 1.265 is
> reached.
>
> 12. Charge for another 3 hours. Add water to maintain the
> electrolyte above the plates.
>
> 13. Allow bank to cool and check and record the specific
> gravity of each cell. The gravities should be 1.265 0.005
> or lower. Check the cell electrolyte 

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> On October 31, 2018 at 8:10 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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>  I was very tempted to stop and let the beggars
> know I had some help for them, just walk "that way" and look for the sign...

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Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


Half of us are worried the GOP will keep control of Congress in next week's 
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You are right.   Don't wanna cook em.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

So who knows what about charging car batteries?
I always thought it was bad to charge at a high rate. Better to slowly 
charge at a low amperage unless one needed to get the motor started 
and the battery did not cooperate.

Now I read on here, that you folks want big chargers with big amperage.
Are you just ruining your batteries or am I  incorrect in my 
assumption that slow and easy is better?


RB



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“The King is like a stream of bat’s piss.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDCy3u6qYQ

I thought Wilde said that?

-D

> On Oct 31, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> To quote Oscar Wilde, "work is the curse of the drinking classes."
> I'm at HBO for two weeks, they are such a pita, if I don't quit my job it 
> will be a wonder.
> Curt
> 
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>  On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 1:07 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:   Regular work really cuts into your drinking time, don't you know.
> 
> Besides, "Unemployable professional alcoholic for 18 years." doesn't sell
> well on your CV.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 5:11 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Monday night I was downtown Chucktown, needed to grab a bite while I waited
>> for someone.  Decided to walk along King St to an eatery I like, steeled
>> myself for another encounter with drunks / bums / hoodlums etc.  Noticed at
>> least two businesses had Help Wanted signs posted in their windows, and two
>> beggars as I walked along.  I was very tempted to stop and let the beggars
>> know I had some help for them, just walk "that way" and look for the
>> sign...
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:52 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The zombie/hobos are out there aplenty, but we are not being issued the
>>> hunting permits.  Nobody is removing this excess population from the
>> street
>>> and putting them to work.
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To quote Oscar Wilde, "work is the curse of the drinking classes."
I'm at HBO for two weeks, they are such a pita, if I don't quit my job it will 
be a wonder.
Curt

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  On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 1:07 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:   Regular work really cuts into your drinking time, don't you know.

Besides, "Unemployable professional alcoholic for 18 years." doesn't sell
well on your CV.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 5:11 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Monday night I was downtown Chucktown, needed to grab a bite while I waited
> for someone.  Decided to walk along King St to an eatery I like, steeled
> myself for another encounter with drunks / bums / hoodlums etc.  Noticed at
> least two businesses had Help Wanted signs posted in their windows, and two
> beggars as I walked along.  I was very tempted to stop and let the beggars
> know I had some help for them, just walk "that way" and look for the
> sign...
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:52 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The zombie/hobos are out there aplenty, but we are not being issued the
> > hunting permits.  Nobody is removing this excess population from the
> street
> > and putting them to work.
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> >  fmiser wrote:
> >
> > But - the alternator is rather high current.  I don't remember
> > what is on an OM61x - 60A maybe?  With a bunch of glow and a
> > lot of cranking the battery voltage could be low enough that
> > alternator could be supplying more than 40 amps just to charge.

> Jim wrote:
> 
> But not for long.  The voltage regulator is in there.  The
> high-current alternators are there to _run_ the heavy loads, not
> for nuclear battery charging.

Yup.  And the "big" batter chargers also limit the voltage so they
too will not charge at those high currents for very long - unless
the battery is bad.

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Regular work really cuts into your drinking time, don't you know.

Besides, "Unemployable professional alcoholic for 18 years." doesn't sell
well on your CV.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 5:11 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Monday night I was downtown Chucktown, needed to grab a bite while I waited
> for someone.  Decided to walk along King St to an eatery I like, steeled
> myself for another encounter with drunks / bums / hoodlums etc.  Noticed at
> least two businesses had Help Wanted signs posted in their windows, and two
> beggars as I walked along.  I was very tempted to stop and let the beggars
> know I had some help for them, just walk "that way" and look for the
> sign...
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:52 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The zombie/hobos are out there aplenty, but we are not being issued the
> > hunting permits.  Nobody is removing this excess population from the
> street
> > and putting them to work.
> >
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With the lights on, the radio doesn't draw much...

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   On 31/10/2018 11:18 AM, Mitch Haley 
via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On October 31, 2018 at 10:04 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> But not for long.  The voltage regulator is in there.  The high-current
>> alternators
>> are there to _run_ the heavy loads, not for nuclear battery charging.
> Right.
> A typical Mercedes is going to be around 13.4V in warm weather, the battery 
> takes whatever amps raise it to the car's voltage. A car with a higher target 
> voltage will charge faster.
> In normal life, all that's required is to replace the energy used to start 
> the car.
> Mitch
>
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RB

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On 31/10/2018 11:18 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:



On October 31, 2018 at 10:04 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:
But not for long.  The voltage regulator is in there.  The high-current
alternators
are there to _run_ the heavy loads, not for nuclear battery charging.

Right.
A typical Mercedes is going to be around 13.4V in warm weather, the battery 
takes whatever amps raise it to the car's voltage. A car with a higher target 
voltage will charge faster.
In normal life, all that's required is to replace the energy used to start the 
car.
Mitch

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> On October 31, 2018 at 10:04 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

> But not for long.  The voltage regulator is in there.  The high-current
> alternators
> are there to _run_ the heavy loads, not for nuclear battery charging.

Right. 
A typical Mercedes is going to be around 13.4V in warm weather, the battery 
takes whatever amps raise it to the car's voltage. A car with a higher target 
voltage will charge faster. 
In normal life, all that's required is to replace the energy used to start the 
car. 
Mitch

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>
> But - the alternator is rather high current.  I don't remember

what is on an OM61x - 60A maybe?  With a bunch of glow and a lot
> of cranking the battery voltage could be low enough that
> alternator could be supplying more than 40 amps just to charge.
>

But not for long.  The voltage regulator is in there.  The high-current
alternators
are there to _run_ the heavy loads, not for nuclear battery charging.

-- Jim
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Monday night I was downtown Chucktown, needed to grab a bite while I waited
for someone.  Decided to walk along King St to an eatery I like, steeled
myself for another encounter with drunks / bums / hoodlums etc.  Noticed at
least two businesses had Help Wanted signs posted in their windows, and two
beggars as I walked along.  I was very tempted to stop and let the beggars
know I had some help for them, just walk "that way" and look for the sign...
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:52 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The zombie/hobos are out there aplenty, but we are not being issued the
> hunting permits.  Nobody is removing this excess population from the street
> and putting them to work.
>
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> Randy wrote:

> I have a battery that may be junk. I had it on the charger one
> afternoon this weekend at  a 2 Amp rate. It did not come up to
> the point where the charger light turned from red to green

Is that a Red Green reference?  *smiles*

Sounds to me like maybe it needs de-sulfating/equalizing.  This
effectively means a controlled over-charge.  It will shorten the
life of the battery - but if it's junk (or nearly so) that's not
much of a risk.

But if you don't have a way to set the charge 16 V, it may not be
practical.


Here is the text of an article on the topic.

~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   ~'^`~   
from https://shop.pkys.com/Battery-Equalization_ep_44.html

Battery Equalization

Equalizing lead acid batteries is a process designed to
de-sulphate the battery plates by carrying out a controlled
overcharge. Battery plates tend to acquire a sulphate coating
over time which then hinders the chemical action between the
electrolyte and the plate.  By equalizing the battery in this
controlled overcharge the outer layer of the plate, including
the sulphate coating, is blown off, thereby rejuvenating the
battery and allowing all the surface area of the plates to
interact with the electrolyte.  It also causes the electrolyte
to bubble and in wet cell batteries this mixes up the acid and
distributes it evenly throughout the cell.
 
Recommendations on the frequency at which equalization be
carried out vary from monthly to once or twice a year.  Some
manufacturers only recommend it be carried out when necessary,
(Trojan), or once every six months or as necessary, (Rolls).
My personal experience is that equalizing the batteries is a
rather tedious, worrisome and smelly process so once or twice
a year is more than enough.  I particularly recommend it
though for boats that rarely come to the dock.  Such vessels
get their batteries fully charged less often and seem to
report tired batteries on a more frequent basis than boats
that get fully charged on a regular basis.
 
Equalizing the batteries is a tool that can be used to
rejuvenate tired batteries or to prevent batteries from
becoming tired.  As a tool it is a double edged sword of
course, this removal of the outer layer of the plates reduces
their size and volume and thus their longevity. The material
removed will fall to the bottom and may eventually short out
the plates. I find that the best way to decide on whether to
equalize and how often is to consult the information from the
relevant battery manufacturer.  You will find different
opinions even among battery manufacturers on the way
equalization is to be carried out.

Victron Amp Hour MeterIf you are reading this article it is
probably because you are having battery trouble. One of the
best ways of heading off trouble in the future is to install
an amp hour meter to give you a better idea of how your
batteries are performing.  Scroll to the end of this article
for more information.

Equalizing wet cell batteries

1. The batteries must be fully charged to begin with.
 
2. Disconnect all loads. You are going to allow the battery
   voltage to rise higher than normal; to 15 or 16 volts for a
   12 volt battery bank. You don't want to damage sensitive
   electronic equipment that might be connected.
 
3. Remove any hydrocaps fitted to the cells
 
4. Connect the charger and set it to the equalizing voltage.
   (For Trojan wet cell batteries the recommended equalizing
   voltage is 15.5 volts for a 12 volt bank, for Rolls the
   equivalent voltage is 15.5 - 16 volts)
 
5. Batteries will begin gassing and bubbling vigorously
 
6. Don't allow the battery temperature to rise much above 115
   degrees F and never above 125 degrees.  Measure from a
   center cell.
 
7. Take the specific gravity at hourly intervals
 
8. Equalization is complete when the specific gravity no
longer rises.
 
For Rolls batteries the end of the instructions were more specific
 
9. If severely sulfated, it may take many hours for the
   specific gravity to rise.

10. Once the specific gravity begins to rise the bank voltage
will most likely drop or the charging current will
increase. The charging current may need to be lowered if
temperature approaches 125F (46C). If the charge
controller was by passed, it should now be used or put
back in line.

11. Continue measuring the specific gravity until 1.265 is
reached.

12. Charge for another 3 hours. Add water to maintain the
electrolyte above the plates.

13. Allow bank to cool and check and record the specific
gravity of each cell. The gravities should be 1.265 0.005
or lower. Check the cell electrolyte levels and add water
IF necessary.

Equalizing AGM and other sealed batteries

Equalizing AGM and other sealed batteries is a bit more tricky. The
bubbling electrolyte results in some loss; electrolyte vapor exits the
vent caps. However because there is no way to replace the lost
electrolyte it is obvious 

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[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Randy wrote:

> So who knows what about charging car batteries?
> I always thought it was bad to charge at a high rate. Better to
> slowly charge at a low amperage unless one needed to get the
> motor started and the battery did not cooperate.
> Now I read on here, that you folks want big chargers with big
> amperage. Are you just ruining your batteries or am I  incorrect
> in my assumption that slow and easy is better?

You are correct. Yes.
Heat is bad.  Rapid charging causes heat.  So slow is better.

Charge rate is usually expressed relative to the amp-hour capacity
of the battery, so the "bigger" the battery the more amps can
still be considered "slow".

But - the alternator is rather high current.  I don't remember
what is on an OM61x - 60A maybe?  With a bunch of glow and a lot
of cranking the battery voltage could be low enough that
alternator could be supplying more than 40 amps just to charge.  

Automotive flooded cell batteries are pretty tough.  About the
only thing good in a typical car is the battery is kept charged.
High current of starting is not good.  High current of the
following charge isn't good.  Heat (in an engine compartment)
isn't good.  Vibration isn't good.  Use an AGM and when the system
was built for a flooded cell and the voltage will be wrong.  Etc.
But we can still expect to get 7 years of use from one.

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"How do you build an Elephant?"

"Order a Mouse, built under a Government contract"

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 6:52 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The zombie/hobos are out there aplenty, but we are not being issued the
> hunting permits.  Nobody is removing this excess population from the street
> and putting them to work.  My up for re-posting senator is spewing idiocy
> about how she is making America Great once more because she wants to
> promulgate a federally funded apprenticeship program.  That it will create
> all manner of employment and lies.
>
> IF the trades need workers, I am sure that each trade will find a manner
> in which to make their guild very appealing.  Put the feds into the mix and
> you end up with massive student debts for jobs that are not to be found.
>
> #1 boy has all manner of opportunity out in the oil fields for lucrative
> employment.  If he wanted a six figure job, he could walk right in and get
> it.  The pipelayers, sparkys and others are paying very well for incoming
> meat.  They really want a better pool, but have to take what is at hand.
>
> The voters here just want another handout instead of putting in the effort
> for results.
>
>
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
>
>
>
> > On Oct 30, 2018, at 5:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > We have been promised the Zombie Apocalypse . and unlimited Zombie
> > hunting... and it has not materialized everyone has been left
> > "grouchy"
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:26 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> On October 30, 2018 at 5:56 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I wondered why people have been getting grouchy and uptight.
> >>> Armaggeddon?
> >>> Gerry
> >>
> >> Half of us are worried the GOP will keep control of Congress in next
> >> week's elections and half are afraid the DNC will take over?
> >>
> >> Mitch.
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The zombie/hobos are out there aplenty, but we are not being issued the hunting 
permits.  Nobody is removing this excess population from the street and putting 
them to work.  My up for re-posting senator is spewing idiocy about how she is 
making America Great once more because she wants to promulgate a federally 
funded apprenticeship program.  That it will create all manner of employment 
and lies.  

IF the trades need workers, I am sure that each trade will find a manner in 
which to make their guild very appealing.  Put the feds into the mix and you 
end up with massive student debts for jobs that are not to be found.  

#1 boy has all manner of opportunity out in the oil fields for lucrative 
employment.  If he wanted a six figure job, he could walk right in and get it.  
The pipelayers, sparkys and others are paying very well for incoming meat.  
They really want a better pool, but have to take what is at hand.

The voters here just want another handout instead of putting in the effort for 
results.


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> On Oct 30, 2018, at 5:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We have been promised the Zombie Apocalypse . and unlimited Zombie
> hunting... and it has not materialized everyone has been left
> "grouchy"
> 
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:26 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On October 30, 2018 at 5:56 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wondered why people have been getting grouchy and uptight.
>>> Armaggeddon?
>>> Gerry
>> 
>> Half of us are worried the GOP will keep control of Congress in next
>> week's elections and half are afraid the DNC will take over?
>> 
>> Mitch.
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>
> Cannot include the word healthy in a sentence using Spam.


Holding the can of Spam in one hand, approach the deck railing and give it
a healthy overhand pitch downhill.
Don't forget to let go at the end of the swing.

I just don't like green eggs and Spam.  Etc.  If I'm going to eat fatty
meat, color mine bacon!

-- Jim
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There's a reason car battery chargers stop at 10A.  Motorcycle battery
chargers are more like 2A.

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If you have dead cells, you don't want to overcharge the good cells while
trying to wake up the bad ones.  Low/slow is better.

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We have been promised the Zombie Apocalypse . and unlimited Zombie
hunting... and it has not materialized everyone has been left
"grouchy"

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:26 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On October 30, 2018 at 5:56 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wondered why people have been getting grouchy and uptight.
> > Armaggeddon?
> > Gerry
>
> Half of us are worried the GOP will keep control of Congress in next
> week's elections and half are afraid the DNC will take over?
>
> Mitch.
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> On October 30, 2018 at 5:56 PM archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wondered why people have been getting grouchy and uptight. 
> Armaggeddon?
> Gerry

Half of us are worried the GOP will keep control of Congress in next week's 
elections and half are afraid the DNC will take over?

Mitch.

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I had trouble charging motorcycle batteries at 10a. When I had my CB900 it 
needed everything a battery could provide, after a couple of weeks sitting it'd 
need a charge. A couple times I rushed it at 10a and boiled it, oops...

Curt

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  On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Mitch Haley via 
Mercedes wrote:   
> On October 30, 2018 at 3:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So who knows what about charging car batteries?
> I always thought it was bad to charge at a high rate.

Two issues with high rate charging, heat and hydrolysis. 
Run it too hot and plates can warp. 
Excess voltage makes the water in your electrolyte go bye-bye. 
Probably the best bet is a 6-10A charger that slowly tapers down to 2-4A at 
full charge and then shuts itself off.

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> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
> >> (Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
> >> SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and 
> >> fried
> >> up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
> >> straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
> >> next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
> >> -
> >> Max

I wondered why people have been getting grouchy and uptight. 
Armaggeddon?
Gerry

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

A big battery that's mostly discharged can take more than a full day at 2A, and 
your "2A" charger might not be putting out 2A the whole time. If it's already 
80% charged a few hours at 2A should take care of it. 
I'd give it more time and see what happens. 
Do you have a voltmeter handy?
What's the at-rest voltage on the suspect battery?

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Healthy food is not

BBC had an article dissing fake burgers and other faux food.  Turns out the 
stuff is saltier than the Atlantic Ocean.   Must be a Beer industry conspiracy 
to force a virtue signaling NPC to suck down more craft brews


clay monroe
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> On Oct 30, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is some debate about the health of low fat. Generally anything that is 
> low fat is more salt and sugar which might be less "healthy" than the fat.
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Randy Bennell via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Or, barbecued. Cooking should reduce 
> the fat content and make it 
> slightly healthier than eating it raw.
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 30/10/2018 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> Oh Bruddah, Spam gotta be fried!
>> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
>>> (Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
>>> SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and 
>>> fried
>>> up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
>>> straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
>>> next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> 
>> 
> 
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On 30/10/2018 2:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On October 30, 2018 at 3:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:


So who knows what about charging car batteries?
I always thought it was bad to charge at a high rate.

Two issues with high rate charging, heat and hydrolysis.
Run it too hot and plates can warp.
Excess voltage makes the water in your electrolyte go bye-bye.
Probably the best bet is a 6-10A charger that slowly tapers down to 2-4A at 
full charge and then shuts itself off.



I have a battery that may be junk. I had it on the charger one afternoon 
this weekend at  a 2 Amp rate. It did not come up to the point where the 
charger light turned from red to green as had happened on 2 other 
batteries that I charged prior to it. I could try again with a higher 
Amperage. Am I likely to gain anything, or should I put it back on at 2 
Amps and let it run longer.

Or do I just save it as a trade-in core for the next new battery?

I have 3 or 4  chargers. One that is old enough to not be "automatic" 
and a couple of newer ones that are plus the little maintainer that I 
put on the Mercedes over the winter months.


RB

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> On October 30, 2018 at 3:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So who knows what about charging car batteries?
> I always thought it was bad to charge at a high rate.

Two issues with high rate charging, heat and hydrolysis. 
Run it too hot and plates can warp. 
Excess voltage makes the water in your electrolyte go bye-bye. 
Probably the best bet is a 6-10A charger that slowly tapers down to 2-4A at 
full charge and then shuts itself off.

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:17:39 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So who knows what about charging car batteries?

I know some, and have lots of references.


> I always thought it was bad to charge at a high rate. Better to slowly 
> charge at a low amperage unless one needed to get the motor started and 
> the battery did not cooperate.

Yes, high current charging will heat the battery and could damage the
plates. But then, high current discharging is required to start an engine.


> Now I read on here, that you folks want big chargers with big amperage.
> Are you just ruining your batteries or am I incorrect in my assumption 
> that slow and easy is better?

Big chargers? How much current do you is the threshold between small
chargers and big chargers?


Craig

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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

So who knows what about charging car batteries?
I always thought it was bad to charge at a high rate. Better to slowly 
charge at a low amperage unless one needed to get the motor started and 
the battery did not cooperate.

Now I read on here, that you folks want big chargers with big amperage.
Are you just ruining your batteries or am I  incorrect in my assumption 
that slow and easy is better?


RB

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Amen, brother.  BB and I are the last two holdouts who refuse to misuse
"healthy" as a substitute for "healhful".

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 2:41 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> I think the word you are looking for is “healthful”
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Oct 30, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is some debate about the health of low fat. Generally anything
> that is low fat is more salt and sugar which might be less "healthy" than
> the fat.
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Or, barbecued. Cooking should reduce the
> fat content and make it
> > slightly healthier than eating it raw.
> >
> > RB
> >
> >
> >> On 30/10/2018 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Oh Bruddah, Spam gotta be fried!
> >>
> >> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
> >>> (Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
> >>> SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and
> >>> fried
> >>> up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
> >>> straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
> >>> next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>
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I think the word you are looking for is “healthful”

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is some debate about the health of low fat. Generally anything that is 
> low fat is more salt and sugar which might be less "healthy" than the fat.
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Randy Bennell via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Or, barbecued. Cooking should reduce 
> the fat content and make it 
> slightly healthier than eating it raw.
> 
> RB
> 
> 
>> On 30/10/2018 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> Oh Bruddah, Spam gotta be fried!
>> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
>>> (Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
>>> SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and 
>>> fried
>>> up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
>>> straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
>>> next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> 
>> 
> 
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Everything in moderation.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 2:22 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There is some debate about the health of low fat. Generally anything that
> is low fat is more salt and sugar which might be less "healthy" than the
> fat.
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Or, barbecued. Cooking should reduce the
> fat content and make it
> slightly healthier than eating it raw.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 30/10/2018 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > Oh Bruddah, Spam gotta be fried!
> >
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
> >> (Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
> >> SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and
> >> fried
> >> up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
> >> straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
> >> next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Spam

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There is some debate about the health of low fat. Generally anything that is 
low fat is more salt and sugar which might be less "healthy" than the fat.
Curt

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  On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes wrote:   Or, barbecued. Cooking should reduce 
the fat content and make it 
slightly healthier than eating it raw.

RB


On 30/10/2018 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> Oh Bruddah, Spam gotta be fried!
>
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
>> (Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
>> SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and 
>> fried
>> up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
>> straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
>> next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
>> -
>> Max
>>
>


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Spam

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Cannot include the word healthy in a sentence using Spam.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:42 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Or, barbecued. Cooking should reduce the fat content and make it
> slightly healthier than eating it raw.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 30/10/2018 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > Oh Bruddah, Spam gotta be fried!
> >
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
> >> (Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
> >> SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and
> >> fried
> >> up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
> >> straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
> >> next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >>
> >
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: OT best paint for a Coleman camp stove - OvenOff resistant

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Meade wrote:

> So my question is what paint would be resistant to OvenOff,

Maybe CARC?  (Chemical Agent Resistant Coating) I know it is used
for military vehicles.

> and does it come in Coleman green and red?

That I don't know.

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Spam

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Or, barbecued. Cooking should reduce the fat content and make it 
slightly healthier than eating it raw.


RB


On 30/10/2018 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Oh Bruddah, Spam gotta be fried!

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
(Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and 
fried

up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
-
Max






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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Oh Bruddah, Spam gotta be fried!

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
(Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and fried
up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
-
Max




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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

M!   Spam musubi, Spam n eggs, Spam loco moco,  teriyaki Spam. Spam 
saimin...   I miss local food!

Not enough Spam here!

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

That doesn’t have much spam in it

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Spam

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The last time we low-country-dwellers were faced with Certain Doom
(Hurricane Michael?  I already forgot the name) during a shopping panic
SWMBO picked up a can of SPAM.  The other day she opened it up, and fried
up a bit for breakfast.  SWMBette decided that it was much better raw,
straight from the can, and I agree.  We may have to keep a few cans for
next year's arrival of the new Certain Doom.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Spam

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Have you guys seen James Veitch, "Scamalot"? Send him your spam, he loves it.
Curt

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  On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes wrote:   That doesn’t have much spam in it

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2018, at 7:37 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Fail.
> -- 
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> 
>> On October 29, 2018 7:24:02 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
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>> all the messages getting flagged as spam.
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That doesn’t have much spam in it

--FT
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> On Oct 30, 2018, at 7:37 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Fail.
> -- 
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Fail.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

SEE!  Hobos get covered in the rains in California and all that toxic 
nastiness they are coated in gets washing into the waters of the state

clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not state employees, but voters. 
> They're collectively proven to be either morons or easily stampeded sheep. 
> 
> Proposition 65, officially known as the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic 
> Enforcement Act of 1986, was enacted as a ballot initiative in November 1986. 
> The proposition protects the state's drinking water sources from being 
> contaminated with chemicals known to cause cancer...
> 
>> On October 29, 2018 at 3:41 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
>> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
>> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
>> 
>> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
>> idiots.
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Ah, now I know how the homeless issue can be addressed.  If a hotel caused 
cancer, then the hobos can be labeled as carcinogens due to the drug use, 
smoking, poor food and alcohol usages, living in constant contact to exhaust 
fumes and urban air.  Yeah, homeless folks be in violation of article 68 or 
whatever that stupid law they have is.

clay monroe
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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:41 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
> 
> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
> idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
> the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
> information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
> CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:29 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's known as reduction adabsurdum:
>> 
>> "n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"), also
>> known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or the
>> appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to disprove
>> a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
>> impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
>> true, the result would be absurd or impossible."
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
>>> dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
>>> Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They are too fruity, flaked out, stoned, or otherwise impaired to 
perceive the need.


Anyone who relies on goobermnt to warn them of dangers, WILL DIE.
(probably sooner than normal)


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.

Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.

-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 LOL
I too have been concerned about those "Known to cause cancer in the state of 
California." As a warning sign they're pretty useless.
Reminds me of high school chemistry class where old Mr. Black would put 
warnings on all the chemicals, the one with the most dire warnings was good old 
H2O. He warned about drowning, heart attacks from shoveling snow, the danger of 
electrolyte imbalance and I don't remember what else, dude had a very dry sense 
of humor.
-Curt

On Monday, October 29, 2018, 3:51:22 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The ultimate oxymoron:

"Intelligence from government"


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:42 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
>
> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
> idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
> the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
> information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
> CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:29 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That's known as reduction adabsurdum:
> >
> > "n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"),
> also
> > known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or
> the
> > appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to
> disprove
> > a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
> > impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
> > true, the result would be absurd or impossible."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
> > > dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
> > > Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
> > >
> >
> >
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I made an adjustment to the Spam filter, so lets see if that cuts out 
all the messages getting flagged as spam.



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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 7:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> importecautoparts.com 
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Not state employees, but voters. 
They're collectively proven to be either morons or easily stampeded sheep. 

Proposition 65, officially known as the Safe Drinking Water and Toxic 
Enforcement Act of 1986, was enacted as a ballot initiative in November 1986. 
The proposition protects the state's drinking water sources from being 
contaminated with chemicals known to cause cancer...

> On October 29, 2018 at 3:41 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
> 
> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
> idiots.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The ultimate oxymoron:

"Intelligence from government"


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:42 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
> a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
> explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.
>
> Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
> idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
> the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
> information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
> CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:29 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That's known as reduction adabsurdum:
> >
> > "n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"),
> also
> > known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or
> the
> > appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to
> disprove
> > a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
> > impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
> > true, the result would be absurd or impossible."
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
> > > dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
> > > Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I recently stayed at a hotel in California, a rather new hotel belonging to
a major chain.  Very nice place.  A un-helpful sign near the front door
explained that this hotel is known by the state of CA to cause cancer.

Absurd signs like these convince me that state employees in CA must be
idiots.  Who but an idiot would require every hotel to place a sign near
the door about the danger of cancer from the hotel, but absolutely NO
information about what a visitor or employee could do to reduce that risk.
CA residents need to demand more intelligence from their government.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 3:29 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's known as reduction adabsurdum:
>
> "n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"), also
> known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or the
> appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to disprove
> a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
> impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
> true, the result would be absurd or impossible."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
> > dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
> > Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
> >
>
>
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's known as reduction adabsurdum:

"n logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin  for "reduction to absurdity"), also
known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity") or the
appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts either to disprove
a statement by showing it inevitably leads to a ridiculous, absurd, or
impractical conclusion, or to prove one by showing that if it were not
true, the result would be absurd or impossible."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
> dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
> Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:25 PM OK Don via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Anything in excess is toxic. The question is whether everything needs
> > regulation/oversight, or whether we are left to our own devices to
> discern
> > the safety of these highly advertised substances. As I read somewhere
> > recently (maybe here?) "Snake oil always sells."
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 7:43 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in
> > > the 1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to
> > > patients under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate,
> but I
> > > would rather debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are
> still
> > in
> > > wide use.
> > >
> > > An example is green tea.
> > > (Another is soy protein extract:
> > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435388/)
> > > Green tea has been drunk by millions of people for centuries and
> recently
> > > it has been widely advertised as being of value for weight loss and
> other
> > > conditions in the form of an extract. The average person would not
> think
> > > that a simple ethanol extract of green tea could be deadly, but
> > apparently
> > > it can:
> > > .
> > > Abstract:
> > >
> > > "Green tea extract: A potential cause of acute liver failure
> > >
> > >  Despite the generally touted benefits of green tea as a whole,
> clinical
> > > concern regarding its use is emerging and has been linked to its
> > > concentration in multiple herbal supplements.
> > >
> > > Interestingly, the suspected harmful compounds are those previously
> > > proposed to be advantageous for weight-loss, cancer remedy, and
> > > anti-inflammatory purposes.
> > >
> > > Green tea extract is one of the most common herbal supplements ingested
> > > worldwide and is manufactured into more than 100 different
> > over-the-counter
> > > products. Although traditionally considered safe, it has been linked to
> > > hepatotoxicity and led to acute impending liver failure in our
> adolescent
> > > patient. The lack of regulation and provider guidance in the use of
> this
> > > product and dietary supplements in general is significant. We highlight
> > the
> > > importance of monitoring patient use of dietary supplements. (snip)
> > >
> > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746392/
> > >
> > > The following link shows that green tea extract is still being sold as
> a
> > > supplement with no warnings about liver toxicity.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab=green+tea+extract+safe+dosage=X=0ahUKEwiL3sm1nqreAhVE0FMKHRMCBGkQ1QIIuAEoBg=742=400
> > >
> > > The subject for debate is whether such sales should be stopped or
> allowed
> > > to continue until a large number of people taking green tea extract
> have
> > > had documented liver damage.
> > > Gerry
> > > ==
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:
> > >
> > > > And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/.
> > > > Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of
> what
> > > you're implying:
> > > >
> > > > Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be
> > > extremely carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various
> cancers
> > > in patients who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur
> some
> > > years (usually 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of
> > developing
> > > liver cancer (or bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has
> been
> > > measured to be well above 100 times the risk of the rest of the
> > population.
> > > The risk of leukemia appears to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast
> > patients.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was
> > > Thorotrast.
> > > > > It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of
> outlining
> > > and diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given
> died;
> > > 

Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** This looks pretty nice

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You can just leave the top down and drive it like that, won't have to 
think about the ragtop aspect.  Truly a roadster!


--FT


On 10/29/18 10:10 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Crap class convertibles are cabriolets, meaning they are ragtops rather than 
the hard top “Vario” roofs.

No crap class cars, thank you.

-D


On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

good price just in time for winter, I think Poos needs it

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-mercedes-benz/6734991792.html

Some of the hydraulics gone wonky?

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** This looks pretty nice

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Crap class convertibles are cabriolets, meaning they are ragtops rather than 
the hard top “Vario” roofs.

No crap class cars, thank you.

-D

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> good price just in time for winter, I think Poos needs it
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-mercedes-benz/6734991792.html
> 
> Some of the hydraulics gone wonky?
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** This looks pretty nice

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

good price just in time for winter, I think Poos needs it

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-mercedes-benz/6734991792.html

Some of the hydraulics gone wonky?

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Breathing is deadly. After you breath for a few decades, most everyone
dies, thus the cause of death is excessive breathing...
Modern logic in action especially, in the State of California.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:25 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Anything in excess is toxic. The question is whether everything needs
> regulation/oversight, or whether we are left to our own devices to discern
> the safety of these highly advertised substances. As I read somewhere
> recently (maybe here?) "Snake oil always sells."
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 7:43 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in
> > the 1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to
> > patients under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate, but I
> > would rather debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are still
> in
> > wide use.
> >
> > An example is green tea.
> > (Another is soy protein extract:
> > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435388/)
> > Green tea has been drunk by millions of people for centuries and recently
> > it has been widely advertised as being of value for weight loss and other
> > conditions in the form of an extract. The average person would not think
> > that a simple ethanol extract of green tea could be deadly, but
> apparently
> > it can:
> > .
> > Abstract:
> >
> > "Green tea extract: A potential cause of acute liver failure
> >
> >  Despite the generally touted benefits of green tea as a whole, clinical
> > concern regarding its use is emerging and has been linked to its
> > concentration in multiple herbal supplements.
> >
> > Interestingly, the suspected harmful compounds are those previously
> > proposed to be advantageous for weight-loss, cancer remedy, and
> > anti-inflammatory purposes.
> >
> > Green tea extract is one of the most common herbal supplements ingested
> > worldwide and is manufactured into more than 100 different
> over-the-counter
> > products. Although traditionally considered safe, it has been linked to
> > hepatotoxicity and led to acute impending liver failure in our adolescent
> > patient. The lack of regulation and provider guidance in the use of this
> > product and dietary supplements in general is significant. We highlight
> the
> > importance of monitoring patient use of dietary supplements. (snip)
> >
> > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746392/
> >
> > The following link shows that green tea extract is still being sold as a
> > supplement with no warnings about liver toxicity.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab=green+tea+extract+safe+dosage=X=0ahUKEwiL3sm1nqreAhVE0FMKHRMCBGkQ1QIIuAEoBg=742=400
> >
> > The subject for debate is whether such sales should be stopped or allowed
> > to continue until a large number of people taking green tea extract have
> > had documented liver damage.
> > Gerry
> > ==
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > > And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/.
> > > Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of what
> > you're implying:
> > >
> > > Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be
> > extremely carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various cancers
> > in patients who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur some
> > years (usually 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of
> developing
> > liver cancer (or bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has been
> > measured to be well above 100 times the risk of the rest of the
> population.
> > The risk of leukemia appears to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast
> patients.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was
> > Thorotrast.
> > > > It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of outlining
> > and diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given died;
> > usually after about ten years of misery.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
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> > https://www.avg.com
> >
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>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will 

[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: OT: Boots update

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Anything in excess is toxic. The question is whether everything needs
regulation/oversight, or whether we are left to our own devices to discern
the safety of these highly advertised substances. As I read somewhere
recently (maybe here?) "Snake oil always sells."

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 7:43 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That was what we were told in the 1950s about an event that happened in
> the 1930s. Debating the deadliness of a drug that is no longer given to
> patients under any circumstance is fine if you just like to debate, but I
> would rather debate the deadliness of drugs and nutrients that are still in
> wide use.
>
> An example is green tea.
> (Another is soy protein extract:
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4435388/)
> Green tea has been drunk by millions of people for centuries and recently
> it has been widely advertised as being of value for weight loss and other
> conditions in the form of an extract. The average person would not think
> that a simple ethanol extract of green tea could be deadly, but apparently
> it can:
> .
> Abstract:
>
> "Green tea extract: A potential cause of acute liver failure
>
>  Despite the generally touted benefits of green tea as a whole, clinical
> concern regarding its use is emerging and has been linked to its
> concentration in multiple herbal supplements.
>
> Interestingly, the suspected harmful compounds are those previously
> proposed to be advantageous for weight-loss, cancer remedy, and
> anti-inflammatory purposes.
>
> Green tea extract is one of the most common herbal supplements ingested
> worldwide and is manufactured into more than 100 different over-the-counter
> products. Although traditionally considered safe, it has been linked to
> hepatotoxicity and led to acute impending liver failure in our adolescent
> patient. The lack of regulation and provider guidance in the use of this
> product and dietary supplements in general is significant. We highlight the
> importance of monitoring patient use of dietary supplements. (snip)
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746392/
>
> The following link shows that green tea extract is still being sold as a
> supplement with no warnings about liver toxicity.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-ab=green+tea+extract+safe+dosage=X=0ahUKEwiL3sm1nqreAhVE0FMKHRMCBGkQ1QIIuAEoBg=742=400
>
> The subject for debate is whether such sales should be stopped or allowed
> to continue until a large number of people taking green tea extract have
> had documented liver damage.
> Gerry
> ==
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/.
> > Wiki agrees that Thorotrast was VERY dangerous, but well short of what
> you're implying:
> >
> > Due to the release of alpha particles, Thorotrast was found to be
> extremely carcinogenic. There is a high over-incidence of various cancers
> in patients who have been treated with Thorotrast. The cancers occur some
> years (usually 20-30) after injection of Thorotrast. The risk of developing
> liver cancer (or bile duct cancer) in former Thorotrast patients has been
> measured to be well above 100 times the risk of the rest of the population.
> The risk of leukemia appears to be 20 times higher in Thorotrast patients.
> >
> >
> > > On October 27, 2018 at 11:37 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > One of the saddest cases of radiation poisoning in the 1930s was
> Thorotrast.
> > > It was an oral contrast medium that did a beautiful job of outlining
> and diagnosing the liver. Every single patient to whom it was given died;
> usually after about ten years of misery.
>
>
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> https://www.avg.com
>
>
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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** WARNING WARNING WARNING

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On October 27, 2018 at 10:10 AM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > He has a list of keywords at the bottom, which is against craigslist
> > policy, so I clicked on "prohibited".
> 
> W210 for a keyword is OK, but listing a dozen BMW chassis types is
> really obnoxious. 

That's why I clicked "prohibited".


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** WARNING WARNING WARNING

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 27, 2018 at 10:10 AM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> He has a list of keywords at the bottom, which is against craigslist
> policy, so I clicked on "prohibited".

W210 for a keyword is OK, but listing a dozen BMW chassis types is really 
obnoxious. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** WARNING WARNING WARNING

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 10:14:28 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It’s stanced yo 

Sent it to Copart, ho-ho-ho-yo!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** WARNING WARNING WARNING

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It’s stanced yo 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:55:56 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1999-mercedes-e430-sport/6733881536.html
> 
> Ugh ... it certainly does not fit with this demographic ...
> 
> He has a list of keywords at the bottom, which is against craigslist
> policy, so I clicked on "prohibited".
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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