Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[degcoast]

Yes same with my 90 300D 2.5t. Starts in 2nd-can feel kickdown into 1st. My 
240D started in 4th-or so it seemed.
Dwight
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I think MB decided almost at random which models to start in 2nd. My '84 190D 
starts in 2nd BTW, its quite noticeable when it drops into 1st if you hit the 
kickdown switch.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:53:58 -0400
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Yes, I'm quite sure. After two fills of M1 ATF, it shifts very nicely.

Stu Ritter's Bible says that only some of the 124 gas cars started in 2nd, if 
you can believe him.

Max
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Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> Both of my 124s start in first; ' 87 300td and ' 95 E300.
>

Sure about the '87? Mine definitely starts in 2nd. There is a HUGE
difference in acceleration from a stop if I force it into 1st by
flooring it or doing the 2-3-2 trick. Works nicely to surprise
teenagers in souped-up Civics.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Curt Raymond]

I think MB decided almost at random which models to start in 2nd. My '84 190D 
starts in 2nd BTW, its quite noticeable when it drops into 1st if you hit the 
kickdown switch.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:53:58 -0400
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Yes, I'm quite sure. After two fills of M1 ATF, it shifts very nicely.

Stu Ritter's Bible says that only some of the 124 gas cars started in 2nd, if 
you can believe him.

Max
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Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> Both of my 124s start in first; ' 87 300td and ' 95 E300.
>

Sure about the '87? Mine definitely starts in 2nd. There is a HUGE
difference in acceleration from a stop if I force it into 1st by
flooring it or doing the 2-3-2 trick. Works nicely to surprise
teenagers in souped-up Civics.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland which may take off in 2nd!

[Hendrik & Fay]

Are you sure, you're not talking about the blue one are ya?
Then again I drove it like you need to drive a 240D, foot flat to the 
floor until cruising altitude is reached.


Hendrik
who still has a sore foot from piloting the 240D

Mountain Man wrote:

Hendrik wrote:
  

All the auto Mercs I have had or dealt with, take off in 2nd, from memory
mao's 240D took off in 2nd but then again my memory
isahmmnh.well I forgot what I was going to say, what was the
topic of discussion again?



Take another draught of that good oz wine - it starts in first.
mao


  



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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland which may take off in 2nd!

[Mountain Man]

Hendrik wrote:
> All the auto Mercs I have had or dealt with, take off in 2nd, from memory
> mao's 240D took off in 2nd but then again my memory
> isahmmnh.well I forgot what I was going to say, what was the
> topic of discussion again?

Take another draught of that good oz wine - it starts in first.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland which may take off in 2nd!

[Hendrik & Fay]

All the auto Mercs I have had or dealt with, take off in 2nd, from 
memory mao's 240D took off in 2nd but then again my memory 
isahmmnh.well I forgot what I was going to say, what was the 
topic of discussion again?
However this is not to say that some take off in 1st but as far as I 
recall 1st gear is supposed to be used when driving up steep grades or 
pulling a trailer.
According to the owners manual for the petrol 124's, they should start 
in 2nd under moderate acceleration, when the gear selector is in 3 or D. 
As a side note, cars that have a S (standard) or E (economy) selector 
switch (very rare on Oz Benzes), they will always take off in 2nd if E 
is selected. Basically the Economy/Standard switch varies the length of 
the control cable going to the gear box. Which I think is one of those 
things that is a waste of time, as you get the same effect with how much 
pressure you put on the accelerator pedal. Guess it's one of those "ahh 
look other car makers have an economy switch, we better have one too" 
situations.


Hendrik
who selects 1st when on a hill

Max Dillon wrote:

Yes, I'm quite sure. After two fills of M1 ATF, it shifts very nicely.

Stu Ritter's Bible says that only some of the 124 gas cars started in 2nd, if 
you can believe him.

Max
  



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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Max Dillon]

Yes, I'm quite sure. After two fills of M1 ATF, it shifts very nicely.

Stu Ritter's Bible says that only some of the 124 gas cars started in 2nd, if 
you can believe him.

Max
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Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> Both of my 124s start in first; ' 87 300td and ' 95 E300.
>

Sure about the '87? Mine definitely starts in 2nd. There is a HUGE
difference in acceleration from a stop if I force it into 1st by
flooring it or doing the 2-3-2 trick. Works nicely to surprise
teenagers in souped-up Civics.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
No, not really.  Something got sucked in, period, there is no way around 
it.  Since yours is the CA version it was not one of the o rings but 
something got sucked in.



Gotta clean out those mouse nests before you fire it up.
Actually, I wasn't entirely joking about the possibility of there being a tool 
in there earlier. Sometimes people drop sockets, fasteners, etc, and don't know 
where they landed until it's too late. But, if the turbo was separated from an 
air cleaner for an extended period, who/when let the foreign object in?


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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> Both of my 124s start in first; ' 87 300td and ' 95 E300.
>

Sure about the '87?  Mine definitely starts in 2nd.  There is a HUGE
difference in acceleration from a stop if I force it into 1st by
flooring it or doing the 2-3-2 trick.  Works nicely to surprise
teenagers in souped-up Civics.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

They are supposed to start in 1st.  If it starts in 2nd something is wrong.

On 8/16/2011 4:51 PM, kevin kraly wrote:
Didn't know that an '85 300sD started in 2nd?  My '83 started in 1st.  
Is this another difference in the '85 tranny?


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No, not really.  Something got sucked in, period, there is no way around 
it.  Since yours is the CA version it was not one of the o rings but 
something got sucked in.


On 8/16/2011 4:27 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

So should I disregard the allegation that the shop could have damaged the
turbo during the engine swap?



On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


andrew strasfogel wrote:


That is what my CA version 1985 300TD version looks like!  Where are the U
seals??


The earlier cars had the air cleaner on top of the turbo (which was not
sitting on top of a trap oxidizer). There was a hard plastic U, sort of like
a big sink trap, that looped from the air cleaner outlet to the turbo
compressor inlet. Each end of the U had a thick rubber seal in the end where
it plugged onto the filter box or the turbo.

Apparently the 1985 is a lot different. That 300SD looks to have a rubber
flex hose with hose clamps at each end.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Max Dillon]

Both of my 124s start in first; ' 87 300td and ' 95 E300.

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Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, kevin kraly  wrote:
> Didn't know that an '85 300sD started in 2nd?  My '83 started in 1st.  Is
> this another difference in the '85 tranny?
>

Maybe, but it's more likely that I don't know what I'm talking about.
My only experience with W126s is with the early gas V-8s, all of which
started in 2nd---I assumed the diesels did too. Don't 123
turbodiesels start in 2nd? And 124s except for the 2.5?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, kevin kraly  wrote:
> Didn't know that an '85 300sD started in 2nd?  My '83 started in 1st.  Is
> this another difference in the '85 tranny?
>

Maybe, but it's more likely that I don't know what I'm talking about.
My only experience with W126s is with the early gas V-8s, all of which
started in 2nd---I assumed the diesels did too.  Don't 123
turbodiesels start in 2nd?  And 124s except for the 2.5?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[kevin kraly]

Didn't know that an '85 300sD started in 2nd?  My '83 started in 1st.  Is 
this another difference in the '85 tranny?


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[andrew strasfogel]

So should I disregard the allegation that the shop could have damaged the
turbo during the engine swap?



On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> That is what my CA version 1985 300TD version looks like!  Where are the U
>> seals??
>>
>
> The earlier cars had the air cleaner on top of the turbo (which was not
> sitting on top of a trap oxidizer). There was a hard plastic U, sort of like
> a big sink trap, that looped from the air cleaner outlet to the turbo
> compressor inlet. Each end of the U had a thick rubber seal in the end where
> it plugged onto the filter box or the turbo.
>
> Apparently the 1985 is a lot different. That 300SD looks to have a rubber
> flex hose with hose clamps at each end.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

That is what my CA version 1985 300TD version looks like!  Where are the U
seals??


The earlier cars had the air cleaner on top of the turbo (which was not sitting 
on top of a trap oxidizer). There was a hard plastic U, sort of like a big sink 
trap, that looped from the air cleaner outlet to the turbo compressor inlet. 
Each end of the U had a thick rubber seal in the end where it plugged onto the 
filter box or the turbo.


Apparently the 1985 is a lot different. That 300SD looks to have a rubber flex 
hose with hose clamps at each end.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>> Whoops, I didn't notice the Lovecraft Biofuels logo on the thingy
>> (veggie oil heater, presumably) at the lower right of the engine.
>> Danger, Will Robinson!
>
> I almost asked what that thing with the big heart on it was.

The infamous Lovecraft company opened a veggie oil "conversion" shop
in a hip neighborhood in Portland during the last biofuels boom,
around 2005.  I used to pass it every day on my way to work.  There
were always a half-dozen interesting cars in front---not just Mercedes
but '80s Japanese diesel pickups, pre-TDI VWs, once a Scout IIRC.  The
shop is closed now.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[andrew strasfogel]

That is what my CA version 1985 300TD version looks like!  Where are the U
seals??

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
> http://portland.craigslist.**org/clc/cto/2540009828.html
>> Somebody had fun with a few cans of white spray paint on this one.  I
>> think I saw this exact car being driven by the villains in an episode
>> of Miami Vice.  I wonder if "4th gear won't work" just means "I am
>> unaware that these cars start in 2nd gear"?
>>
>
> That 1985 SD doesn't have a hard plastic U in the intake like my 1979 SD or
> an early turbo 123.
> Is this what the air cleaner on Andrew's 1985 S123 looks like?
> http://i733.photobucket.com/**albums/ww335/SergeyWild/**IMAG0047.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html


Whoops, I didn't notice the Lovecraft Biofuels logo on the thingy
(veggie oil heater, presumably) at the lower right of the engine.
Danger, Will Robinson!


I almost asked what that thing with the big heart on it was.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:
> http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html

Whoops, I didn't notice the Lovecraft Biofuels logo on the thingy
(veggie oil heater, presumably) at the lower right of the engine.
Danger, Will Robinson!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html
Somebody had fun with a few cans of white spray paint on this one.  I
think I saw this exact car being driven by the villains in an episode
of Miami Vice.  I wonder if "4th gear won't work" just means "I am
unaware that these cars start in 2nd gear"?


That 1985 SD doesn't have a hard plastic U in the intake like my 1979 SD or an 
early turbo 123.

Is this what the air cleaner on Andrew's 1985 S123 looks like?
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww335/SergeyWild/IMAG0047.jpg

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[MBZ] A triplet of cheap 300SDs in Portland!

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2548212505.html
$1,111 for an '82 300SD, looks fine in the pics, 250K mi.  "Test
drives on Wednesday after 5 pm."  I might go just to watch the bidding
war.

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2533558101.html
Is it just me or do those wheels look like the wrong offset?  Did any
116 or 107 come with 8-holes from the factory?  I suppose they could
be knockoffs...

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2540009828.html
Somebody had fun with a few cans of white spray paint on this one.  I
think I saw this exact car being driven by the villains in an episode
of Miami Vice.  I wonder if "4th gear won't work" just means "I am
unaware that these cars start in 2nd gear"?

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