[MBZ] Blower motor yoga
The blower motor on the 05E320 has been chirping occasionally for awhile. The other day I was driving and hit a bump and it started screeching pretty bad. I turned it off and back on and it was better but then screeched loud and died. So today I decided to see what the deal was. I got the blower motor/fan out, lots of contortions as it is up under the glove box so you have to get under there to see it and remove the screws holding it in. Lubed it up and it was spinning ok but no workies when I put it back and powered it up. Pelican Parts have some good write ups on the whole thing. There is a big fuse in the footwell for the blower apparently so I got in there and checked it, was ok. So that points to the regulator on the blower motor, PP have a test procedure I’ll do another time. A new one looks to be about $90 for some chinee part, more for something “better.” --FT Sent from iFōn ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blower motor.
By following Peter's instructions and my nose, the '87 TD now has blower assisted heat. Bosch fan was seized and the controller was toast. The spare fan/controller (Behr) from an '89 260E performs well, though the brushes are half worn. I was not the first into this problem, evidenced by missing screws and nuts, plus 2 of the snappy grippy things that keep the lower windshield trim in place were adrift. The small drip of coolant from the front means a new radiator (S**T!). When the PO had a tyre blow at speed, he must have exited the road somewhat as there are dents in the underside. The only critical dent is in the lower radiator support. See previous word. Making progress slowly. Fred. Fred Moir. Lynn MA. Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor.
By following Peter's instructions and my nose, the '87 TD now has blower assisted heat. Bosch fan was seized and the controller was toast. The spare fan/controller (Behr) from an '89 260E performs well, though the brushes are half worn. I was not the first into this problem, evidenced by missing screws and nuts, plus 2 of the snappy grippy things that keep the lower windshield trim in place were adrift. The small drip of coolant from the front means a new radiator (S**T!). When the PO had a tyre blow at speed, he must have exited the road somewhat as there are dents in the underside. The only critical dent is in the lower radiator support. See previous word. Making progress slowly. Fred. Waytago with the blower. Before pronouncing the rad dead, try some epoxy/glue/chewing gum. It is worth a try! Tyre: sounds like someone else suffered from the jokeahama tires. One jokahama on one 124 did $2500 damage when it came apart! Of course jokahama happily replaced..nothing. They could not even be persuaded to unhappily replace the junk brand new tire! They claimed the body damage was SWMBOs fault (for driving on a jokohama tire). Apparently Jokahama believes their tyres should only be used to make planters or boat bumpers. I do too! So, I took the other one off, and bought 2 real tires. Another good reason to buy tires 2 at a time... I didn't have to throw out 4 new tires, only 2. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blower motor, W123
For the last 6 months or so the heater blower motor has occasionally been squeaking. A few days ago it was clearly getting worse. Time to do something about it. Seeing as I am a cheapskate, I didn't really want to spend the money to buy a replacement unless it truly needed to be replaced. In a 123, the blower is so easy to get to I didn't mind the prospect of getting to it repeatedly. I pulled it out thinking I'd try automatic transmission fluid to lubricate the bearings. But the front bearing is behind the impeller. Since it is the one hard to get to, I expect it is the one making noise. I pulled the motor from the housing, thinking pleasant thoughts about Mercedes for building these assemblies such the _can_ be dis-assembled! The impeller is just press fit on the motor shaft, so one the housing was off it was easy to support the motor by the impeller and with a drift punch separate the motor from the impeller. That was the end of the easy part. The motor itself is not held together with screws or bolts. The bearing supports are staked or swaged to the side. Using a cold chisel and a drift punch I bend bake the swaging and removed the front bearing support. The commutator was so worn by the brushes I had to retract the brushes a bit to get the armature out. The magnetic field was also keeping the armature withing the permanent magnet field. I smoothed out the commutator a bit, used emery cloth to be sure the bearing surfaces were smooth, greased the shaft, and put it all back together again. I used a cold chisel to re-swaging the case to hold the bearing support. This was a bit tricking as the metal didn't seem to like being bent a repeatedly. I think it will hold - for a while anyway. The motor ran quiet when I tested the motor before putting it all back together again. After re-assembling and re-installing the blower it was still quiet. Then the real test - a four hour drive. Quiet the whole time. So I don't expect this is a truly long term repair as the shaft at the bearing was pitted and the brushes are fairly worn. But maybe I'll get another couple years from it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor, W123
Lets see if I can beat Wilton to an ATTABOY! -Curt From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 5:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Blower motor, W123 For the last 6 months or so the heater blower motor has occasionally been squeaking. A few days ago it was clearly getting worse. Time to do something about it. Seeing as I am a cheapskate, I didn't really want to spend the money to buy a replacement unless it truly needed to be replaced. In a 123, the blower is so easy to get to I didn't mind the prospect of getting to it repeatedly. I pulled it out thinking I'd try automatic transmission fluid to lubricate the bearings. But the front bearing is behind the impeller. Since it is the one hard to get to, I expect it is the one making noise. I pulled the motor from the housing, thinking pleasant thoughts about Mercedes for building these assemblies such the _can_ be dis-assembled! The impeller is just press fit on the motor shaft, so one the housing was off it was easy to support the motor by the impeller and with a drift punch separate the motor from the impeller. That was the end of the easy part. The motor itself is not held together with screws or bolts. The bearing supports are staked or swaged to the side. Using a cold chisel and a drift punch I bend bake the swaging and removed the front bearing support. The commutator was so worn by the brushes I had to retract the brushes a bit to get the armature out. The magnetic field was also keeping the armature withing the permanent magnet field. I smoothed out the commutator a bit, used emery cloth to be sure the bearing surfaces were smooth, greased the shaft, and put it all back together again. I used a cold chisel to re-swaging the case to hold the bearing support. This was a bit tricking as the metal didn't seem to like being bent a repeatedly. I think it will hold - for a while anyway. The motor ran quiet when I tested the motor before putting it all back together again. After re-assembling and re-installing the blower it was still quiet. Then the real test - a four hour drive. Quiet the whole time. So I don't expect this is a truly long term repair as the shaft at the bearing was pitted and the brushes are fairly worn. But maybe I'll get another couple years from it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor, W123
+1 Do be aware that you can find suitable brushes for these in the majik drawers at your friendly ACE Hardware store. Probably a moot point now, but just something to keep in mind when you pull it 8-10 years from now. Dan On Feb 8, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Lets see if I can beat Wilton to an ATTABOY! -Curt From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 5:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Blower motor, W123 For the last 6 months or so the heater blower motor has occasionally been squeaking. A few days ago it was clearly getting worse. Time to do something about it. Seeing as I am a cheapskate, I didn't really want to spend the money to buy a replacement unless it truly needed to be replaced. In a 123, the blower is so easy to get to I didn't mind the prospect of getting to it repeatedly. I pulled it out thinking I'd try automatic transmission fluid to lubricate the bearings. But the front bearing is behind the impeller. Since it is the one hard to get to, I expect it is the one making noise. I pulled the motor from the housing, thinking pleasant thoughts about Mercedes for building these assemblies such the _can_ be dis-assembled! The impeller is just press fit on the motor shaft, so one the housing was off it was easy to support the motor by the impeller and with a drift punch separate the motor from the impeller. That was the end of the easy part. The motor itself is not held together with screws or bolts. The bearing supports are staked or swaged to the side. Using a cold chisel and a drift punch I bend bake the swaging and removed the front bearing support. The commutator was so worn by the brushes I had to retract the brushes a bit to get the armature out. The magnetic field was also keeping the armature withing the permanent magnet field. I smoothed out the commutator a bit, used emery cloth to be sure the bearing surfaces were smooth, greased the shaft, and put it all back together again. I used a cold chisel to re-swaging the case to hold the bearing support. This was a bit tricking as the metal didn't seem to like being bent a repeatedly. I think it will hold - for a while anyway. The motor ran quiet when I tested the motor before putting it all back together again. After re-assembling and re-installing the blower it was still quiet. Then the real test - a four hour drive. Quiet the whole time. So I don't expect this is a truly long term repair as the shaft at the bearing was pitted and the brushes are fairly worn. But maybe I'll get another couple years from it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor, W123
ATTABOY, and 'hope it holds. Wilton fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: For the last 6 months or so the heater blower motor has occasionally been squeaking. A few days ago it was clearly getting worse. Time to do something about it. Seeing as I am a cheapskate, I didn't really want to spend the money to buy a replacement unless it truly needed to be replaced. In a 123, the blower is so easy to get to I didn't mind the prospect of getting to it repeatedly. I smoothed out the commutator a bit, used emery cloth to be So I don't expect this is a truly long term repair as the shaft at the bearing was pitted and the brushes are fairly worn. But maybe I'll get another couple years from it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor, W123
BTW, 'reminds of squealing speedo on my nearly showroom 124 last Wed morning (temp 23F); quite whine at 70 mph for 5 min or so. Wilton wiltonw--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ATTABOY, and 'hope it holds. Wilton fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: For the last 6 months or so the heater blower motor has occasionally been squeaking. A few days ago it was clearly getting worse. Time to do something about it. Seeing as I am a cheapskate, I didn't really want to spend the money to buy a replacement unless it truly needed to be replaced. In a 123, the blower is so easy to get to I didn't mind the prospect of getting to it repeatedly. I smoothed out the commutator a bit, used emery cloth to be So I don't expect this is a truly long term repair as the shaft at the bearing was pitted and the brushes are fairly worn. But maybe I'll get another couple years from it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor, W123
Wilton wrote: BTW, 'reminds of... Reminds me of a squirrely sound from our W123 blower, but the blower runs fine and if turned off, the sound continues. Not outside, but in cabin. Also, I wonder if my starter is slow at release. Sound is quite pronounced at 35mph+ and outside and then it just drops off suddenly. Cold weather has brought this sound on and it has been prominent for a month. Stuck starter finally dawned on me. Has anyone else had drag starter? Tell about sound, please. At first I thought wheel bearing, but the sound just immediately quits. Thanks. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor, W123
Attaboy! BTW, electric motor shops and appliance parts place sell the turbo oil in bottles with a long spout for oiling bearings behind fans. One of them may have saved you some bother, and you could have picked up some new brushes too. For the last 6 months or so the heater blower motor has occasionally been squeaking. A few days ago it was clearly getting worse. Time to do something about it. Seeing as I am a cheapskate, I didn't really want to spend the money to buy a replacement unless it truly needed to be replaced. In a 123, the blower is so easy to get to I didn't mind the prospect of getting to it repeatedly. I pulled it out thinking I'd try automatic transmission fluid to lubricate the bearings. But the front bearing is behind the impeller. Since it is the one hard to get to, I expect it is the one making noise. I pulled the motor from the housing, thinking pleasant thoughts about Mercedes for building these assemblies such the _can_ be dis-assembled! The impeller is just press fit on the motor shaft, so one the housing was off it was easy to support the motor by the impeller and with a drift punch separate the motor from the impeller. That was the end of the easy part. The motor itself is not held together with screws or bolts. The bearing supports are staked or swaged to the side. Using a cold chisel and a drift punch I bend bake the swaging and removed the front bearing support. The commutator was so worn by the brushes I had to retract the brushes a bit to get the armature out. The magnetic field was also keeping the armature withing the permanent magnet field. I smoothed out the commutator a bit, used emery cloth to be sure the bearing surfaces were smooth, greased the shaft, and put it all back together again. I used a cold chisel to re-swaging the case to hold the bearing support. This was a bit tricking as the metal didn't seem to like being bent a repeatedly. I think it will hold - for a while anyway. The motor ran quiet when I tested the motor before putting it all back together again. After re-assembling and re-installing the blower it was still quiet. Then the real test - a four hour drive. Quiet the whole time. So I don't expect this is a truly long term repair as the shaft at the bearing was pitted and the brushes are fairly worn. But maybe I'll get another couple years from it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
Thank you, Jim. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and half a dozen BMWs Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 22:36:32 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115 Message-ID: ff06aefe-573e-11df-ab74-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I should take another look at it and maybe check that resistor pack plug. If anyone has a pic of it or tips on fixing it (bad resistor?), I'd be much obliged. It works now, but I know it isn't right. If you have a bad resistor, just get another boneyard pack. You take off the grille to get at the back side of it, I think. Working from memory here... Make sure it's a bad resistor, and not the pins in the connector going to it. Mating connectors are the #1 class of failure point in this kind of thing, though I hear the resistors do occasionally fail open. -- Jim _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
Yeah, the worst thing for those old heater blowers was lack of use. If the brushes weren't toast, you might have some luck resurrecting it. I found in a couple of cases it wasn't the blower, but the switch or some related wiring issues. I can't imagine what they were thinking when they designed that system. Almost as bad as a 124 evaporator Dan --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 1:34 AM My favorite was the use of some very small plastic tubing to drip ATF into the motor bearings. If the motor would still spin or turn at all this worked well to loosen things up. It wasn't perfect, but would often keep things going for a while longer. About three years so far, on the Frankenheap. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
I've always wondered if my little rC shock fluid pipette would be small enough to oil a W115 blower motor? It's about 1/4 in diameter and about 8 long. I could put a little ATF in the bulb, aim the tube and squeeze. The only W115 I've owned was a non-running 220D. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
A few years back, I was having some blower problems on my W115 300D. As I delved into the job, discovering what a bear it was, I asked this list for guidance, thinking I must be doing something wrong, or that I am missing part of the instructions---or that someone experienced may have a shortcut. I was informed--- and I wish I could remember who said this that indeed the Chilton Manual had left out one step of the instructions for the removal process. The instructions read: 1. Remove blower motor cover. 2. Remove blower motor. They left out the FIRST step: 1 Remove entire car around blower motor cover. 2. Remove blower motor cover. 3. Remove blower motor. Thanks again to the wag who came up with that... it still makes me chuckle. :) After all that, btw, my blower motor was good... I had an electrical problem in the dash for which I just rerouted some wiring. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a half dozen BMWs Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 20:48:13 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing Dash Ignition on w115 Message-ID: z2r437bc981005021848vee76fe64oea7e5163f5ecc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Replacing the blower in a 114/115 is a bit more involved than pulling the dash -- BTDT - x2. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Wimps! I've had the dash out of my 560 SL, twice, the dash out of the 450 SL, and out of the 380 SL. Haven't done my wife's 560 SL yet, but I expect I'll have to. No, I don't want to do another one either, but it's not _that_ bad! They go somewhat faster after you've done one. Still, you do end up pretty much gutting the car... -- Jim _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
After all that, btw, my blower motor was good... I had an electrical problem in the dash for which I just rerouted some wiring. It's always good to make sure of the diagnosis before diving right in. In the case of the 115, the blower motor resistor pack plug is on the firewall, you can unplug it and feed it power right there to see how the motor (and the resistors) fare. A battery charger works. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
NOW he tells me!! :) J/K. I didn't have a wiring diagram for the W115 (Haynes doesn't make a manual for the W115, and my Chilton's doesn't have schematics). I thought there must be another connector of some sort, but I thought it was just buried deep in the bowels of the dash somewhere. I was unaware of that resistor pack plug on the firewall at the time, and I ended up gerry-rigging a plug inside the dash to get the blower switch operating again. In the process I did let some smoke out of the wires. :) I should take another look at it and maybe check that resistor pack plug. If anyone has a pic of it or tips on fixing it (bad resistor?), I'd be much obliged. It works now, but I know it isn't right. thanks, Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 W115 300D and a half dozen BMWs Message: 4 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:51:50 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115 Message-ID: 06465ed8-56bb-11df-ab74-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed After all that, btw, my blower motor was good... I had an electrical problem in the dash for which I just rerouted some wiring. It's always good to make sure of the diagnosis before diving right in. In the case of the 115, the blower motor resistor pack plug is on the firewall, you can unplug it and feed it power right there to see how the motor (and the resistors) fare. A battery charger works. -- Jim _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
I developed a number of fixes for the blower motor on 114/115 models. None of them were perfect, but they often bought some time for ones that were marginal or on their way out... My favorite was the use of some very small plastic tubing to drip ATF into the motor bearings. If the motor would still spin or turn at all this worked well to loosen things up. It wasn't perfect, but would often keep things going for a while longer. I know there were people who devised blower motor swaps through the firewall, but this involved some serious cutting and patching, which I really tried to avoid. That's just because I'm a bit of purist and would not want a big scar on the firewall of my car. Dan --- On Mon, 5/3/10, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 9:51 AM After all that, btw, my blower motor was good... I had an electrical problem in the dash for which I just rerouted some wiring. It's always good to make sure of the diagnosis before diving right in. In the case of the 115, the blower motor resistor pack plug is on the firewall, you can unplug it and feed it power right there to see how the motor (and the resistors) fare. A battery charger works. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
My favorite was the use of some very small plastic tubing to drip ATF into the motor bearings. If the motor would still spin or turn at all this worked well to loosen things up. It wasn't perfect, but would often keep things going for a while longer. About three years so far, on the Frankenheap. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor removal W115
I should take another look at it and maybe check that resistor pack plug. If anyone has a pic of it or tips on fixing it (bad resistor?), I'd be much obliged. It works now, but I know it isn't right. If you have a bad resistor, just get another boneyard pack. You take off the grille to get at the back side of it, I think. Working from memory here... Make sure it's a bad resistor, and not the pins in the connector going to it. Mating connectors are the #1 class of failure point in this kind of thing, though I hear the resistors do occasionally fail open. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
Thanks everyone for both the blower motor information and the brake shield warning. I will refrain from the shields and [probably] switch to ceramic at the next break job. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
Me three, I've had them on my Ranger for about 5 months now... -Curt Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:16:14 -0400 From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140 Message-ID: 0bfb5ecb-5260-4680-8e34-b019092c7...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes I agree, have had them for about year and I love them. Mike On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:14 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Brake discs don't stop brake dust, ceramic brake pads do. We sell them, I use, they are great. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
The blower motor on our 1997 LWB S320 suddenly stopped a few days ago. After all the codes were cleared and the fuse changed [it was bad] the blower still did not work and the 'check engine' light came back on [it had been on for awhile before this, and returned soon after being cleared]. I am given to understand that most often on the 140's it is the blower motor, though we have not gotten down to the motor itself as yet. My question is sort of in anticipation of that being the problem. I notice that I can get the OEM Behr motor from between $885 and somewhere in the $4-600 range, and the alternative Bosch blower is $135. There seem to be at least a few hundred reasons for the alternate blower; any reason to not use the Bosch? While I am out of lurking mode for a moment, my Indy recommended use of the disks that seem to stop so much brake dust from getting on the wheels, but also suggested that I ask the group about them. Anyone familiar? Brake dust is a continual problem on the otherwise nice wheels. Sort of like a pretty woman with spinach between her teeth. Thanks - Bill [still off writing in my spare time] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
I hear Regina's got a W140 blower she isn't using. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
Bill R wrote: The blower motor on our 1997 LWB S320 suddenly stopped a few days ago. After all the codes were cleared and the fuse changed [it was bad] the blower still did not work and the 'check engine' light came back on [it had been on for awhile before this, and returned soon after being cleared]. I am given to understand that most often on the 140's it is the blower motor, though we have not gotten down to the motor itself as yet. It could be the blower, but the blower motor regulator is a common failure on the 140. Not sure if it is a weak part or a lack of maintenance on the filter, or both. Testing and replacing the regulator and blower is pretty straightforward and is overexplained here: http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W140BlowerMotor What code was the check engine light reporting? You may have two separate problems. (Probably do, but I am wrong a lot.) Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
Thanks Tom - My Indy is also my nephew, and he ends up doing most of my car work. I appreciate the comment as I was just going to order the Bosch and have it in time to make sure it is working for the drive to Miami next week. I don't want to be down there without it. Nephew wrote down all the codes and was going to look them up, but was on his way out to do something with his kids. I'll call tomorrow. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Savage Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140 Bill R wrote: The blower motor on our 1997 LWB S320 suddenly stopped a few days ago. After all the codes were cleared and the fuse changed [it was bad] the blower still did not work and the 'check engine' light came back on [it had been on for awhile before this, and returned soon after being cleared]. I am given to understand that most often on the 140's it is the blower motor, though we have not gotten down to the motor itself as yet. It could be the blower, but the blower motor regulator is a common failure on the 140. Not sure if it is a weak part or a lack of maintenance on the filter, or both. Testing and replacing the regulator and blower is pretty straightforward and is overexplained here: http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W140BlowerMotor What code was the check engine light reporting? You may have two separate problems. (Probably do, but I am wrong a lot.) Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
I have not been reading all the posts, but somehow I think perhaps letting that one go is a good idea ... unless she has a good one cheap... Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140 I hear Regina's got a W140 blower she isn't using. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
Bill R wrote: I have not been reading all the posts, but somehow I think perhaps letting that one go is a good idea ... unless she has a good one cheap... Bill R It was kind of a stab a Kleb, who took Regina's car apart some months ago... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
Thanks - I caught enough of the past to suspect it might be something like that. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140 Bill R wrote: I have not been reading all the posts, but somehow I think perhaps letting that one go is a good idea ... unless she has a good one cheap... Bill R It was kind of a stab a Kleb, who took Regina's car apart some months ago... Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:16:10 -0400 Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: While I am out of lurking mode for a moment, my Indy recommended use of the disks that seem to stop so much brake dust from getting on the wheels, but also suggested that I ask the group about them. Akebono (sp?) pads have been mentioned here before. Rusty has them. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:16:10 -0400 Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: While I am out of lurking mode for a moment, my Indy recommended use of the disks that seem to stop so much brake dust from getting on the wheels, but also suggested that I ask the group about them. IIRC, Marshall was strongly opposed to Kleen Wheels and similar devices designed to prevent air and brake dust from flowing out through the wheels. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
Brake discs don't stop brake dust, ceramic brake pads do. We sell them, I use, they are great. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:05:18 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140 On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:16:10 -0400 Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: While I am out of lurking mode for a moment, my Indy recommended use of the disks that seem to stop so much brake dust from getting on the wheels, but also suggested that I ask the group about them. Akebono (sp?) pads have been mentioned here before. Rusty has them. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:09:50 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:16:10 -0400 Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: While I am out of lurking mode for a moment, my Indy recommended use of the disks that seem to stop so much brake dust from getting on the wheels, but also suggested that I ask the group about them. IIRC, Marshall was strongly opposed to Kleen Wheels and similar devices designed to prevent air and brake dust from flowing out through the wheels. I misread his comment and gave the correct solution. Yes, brake shields that restrict air flow are a bad idea. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
I think he was talking of the plastic disks that go between the wheel and the hub to keep the dust on the brake side. They do work but I don't like them because of the possibility of heat build up in the brakes during city driving. The disks tend to reduce the air flow around the brakes. The way I drive I need all the stop I can get. Manfred Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:14:16 + From: buymbpa...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140 Message-ID: 2230154-1269818024-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-16253461...@bda096.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Brake discs don't stop brake dust, ceramic brake pads do. We sell them, I use, they are great. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
I agree, have had them for about year and I love them. Mike On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:14 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Brake discs don't stop brake dust, ceramic brake pads do. We sell them, I use, they are great. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:05:18 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140 On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:16:10 -0400 Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: While I am out of lurking mode for a moment, my Indy recommended use of the disks that seem to stop so much brake dust from getting on the wheels, but also suggested that I ask the group about them. Akebono (sp?) pads have been mentioned here before. Rusty has them. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor on a 140
definitely no brake shields if you are in conditions where brakes are used hard and/or frequently. the wheels and brake system are designed to keep the brakes cool. Blocking the airflow is not a good idea. Brake shields might be tolerable if you drive a lot on interstates in the less populated parts of the country. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:16:10 -0400 Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote: While I am out of lurking mode for a moment, my Indy recommended use of the disks that seem to stop so much brake dust from getting on the wheels, but also suggested that I ask the group about them. IIRC, Marshall was strongly opposed to Kleen Wheels and similar devices designed to prevent air and brake dust from flowing out through the wheels. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] blower motor fixed, finally
Congratulations, you win the daily Shoe Goo and microwave oven prize! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] blower motor fixed, finally
Got some time to look at my blower motor today. As I noted earlier, there was plenty of brush material remaining, so that did not explain the intermittent operation and finally complete failure of the motor. I had also already resoldered my ACC board since it was my first thought as the most likely culprit. With the leads hooked to my 12v battery charger, I started moving the wires that connect to the brush carriers. Suddenly the motor came to life. I found that there was an intermittent connection where the positive feed wire crimps on to the brush carrier. I worked that wire off, and after seeing that the exposed end was pretty well oxidized I decided to replace that entire section of wire. Motor working fine now, hopefully it will continue for some time... Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor blowing fuse, 85 TD
I have one for sure, but only if Kaleb doesn't come through. I know better than to bite the hand that feeds us. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: you need a blower motor? I dont know if I have one but I will sure look. harry watkins wrote: Kaleb, do you have a used assembly? Rusty's site shows $484. I tried to use the link at the bottom and although the site page opens, the links do not. Jerry called today about the fuse blowing. With it unplugged at the motor, fuse doesn't blow. A jumper wire to the motor will run it, but wire gets very hot. Are there replace bearings or just the motor available at a cheaper price? Thanks Harry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090308/bbd663aa/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090309/406b9057/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor blowing fuse, 85 TD
Thanks Andrew, like you, I'll wait for da boss. Harry - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor blowing fuse, 85 TD I have one for sure, but only if Kaleb doesn't come through. I know better than to bite the hand that feeds us. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: you need a blower motor? I dont know if I have one but I will sure look. harry watkins wrote: Kaleb, do you have a used assembly? Rusty's site shows $484. I tried to use the link at the bottom and although the site page opens, the links do not. Jerry called today about the fuse blowing. With it unplugged at the motor, fuse doesn't blow. A jumper wire to the motor will run it, but wire gets very hot. Are there replace bearings or just the motor available at a cheaper price? Thanks Harry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090308/bbd663aa/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090309/406b9057/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor blowing fuse, 85 TD
I need a blower resistor unit for an '83 300D Turbo from Kaleb or anyone if Kaleb doesn't have it. This is the resistor assembly inside a cage and mounted on the right fender under the hood. Payment by Paypal or any other means. Thanks, Gerry P.S. I ordered two DSL modems from Route-15 Trading on Ebay with a rating of (129 Green Star?) and is listed as a Power Seller. It will soon be a month since the order was placed and I've contacted the seller with no reply. Can anyone tell me a simple way this order can be cancelled or what can be done to find out what's going on? Sort of went 'round and 'round in circles with Paypal on a previous problem. Thanks, Gerry --- From: andrew strasfogel I have one for sure, but only if Kaleb doesn't come through. I know better than to bite the hand that feeds us. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: you need a blower motor? I dont know if I have one but I will sure look. harry watkins wrote: Kaleb, do you have a used assembly? Rusty's site shows $484. I tried to use the link at the bottom and although the site page opens, the links do not. Jerry called today about the fuse blowing. With it unplugged at the motor, fuse doesn't blow. A jumper wire to the motor will run it, but wire gets very hot. Are there replace bearings or just the motor available at a cheaper price? Thanks Harry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor blowing fuse, 85 TD
Archer wrote: P.S. I ordered two DSL modems from Route-15 Trading on Ebay with a rating of (129 Green Star?) and is listed as a Power Seller. It will soon be a month since the order was placed and I've contacted the seller with no reply. Can anyone tell me a simple way this order can be cancelled or what can be done to find out what's going on? Sort of went 'round and 'round in circles with Paypal on a previous problem. Thanks, A month is plenty long to get the non delivery complaint process started through evilbay and/or notmypal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor blowing fuse, 85 TD
This is why I only use my Visa or MC when conducting Paypal business. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I need a blower resistor unit for an '83 300D Turbo from Kaleb or anyone if Kaleb doesn't have it. This is the resistor assembly inside a cage and mounted on the right fender under the hood. Payment by Paypal or any other means. Thanks, Gerry P.S. I ordered two DSL modems from Route-15 Trading on Ebay with a rating of (129 Green Star?) and is listed as a Power Seller. It will soon be a month since the order was placed and I've contacted the seller with no reply. Can anyone tell me a simple way this order can be cancelled or what can be done to find out what's going on? Sort of went 'round and 'round in circles with Paypal on a previous problem. Thanks, Gerry --- From: andrew strasfogel I have one for sure, but only if Kaleb doesn't come through. I know better than to bite the hand that feeds us. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: you need a blower motor? I dont know if I have one but I will sure look. harry watkins wrote: Kaleb, do you have a used assembly? Rusty's site shows $484. I tried to use the link at the bottom and although the site page opens, the links do not. Jerry called today about the fuse blowing. With it unplugged at the motor, fuse doesn't blow. A jumper wire to the motor will run it, but wire gets very hot. Are there replace bearings or just the motor available at a cheaper price? Thanks Harry -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090309/f2547456/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blower motor blowing fuse, 85 TD
Kaleb, do you have a used assembly? Rusty's site shows $484. I tried to use the link at the bottom and although the site page opens, the links do not. Jerry called today about the fuse blowing. With it unplugged at the motor, fuse doesn't blow. A jumper wire to the motor will run it, but wire gets very hot. Are there replace bearings or just the motor available at a cheaper price? Thanks Harry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090308/bbd663aa/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor blowing fuse, 85 TD
you need a blower motor? I dont know if I have one but I will sure look. harry watkins wrote: Kaleb, do you have a used assembly? Rusty's site shows $484. I tried to use the link at the bottom and although the site page opens, the links do not. Jerry called today about the fuse blowing. With it unplugged at the motor, fuse doesn't blow. A jumper wire to the motor will run it, but wire gets very hot. Are there replace bearings or just the motor available at a cheaper price? Thanks Harry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090308/bbd663aa/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
Hi, Tom, Mitch. As far as I can tell there has been no serious accidents to this car. If there had been a frontal shunt and the engine lurched rearwards, then it might have damaged the cover. However there is an undamaged electric water pump behind the head, dammfiknow. I'm off to the j/y today, if there are none available I may ask you for an undamaged one, or Kaleb can supply one leaving you with a spare. TTFN Fred Moir It's just one damn thing after another Joan Rivers and others. At 12:07 AM 7/5/2008, you wrote: Has the car been in an accident? Sometimes hidden damage appears in the strangest places. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blower motor
Hi, All. Todays item on the to do list was the 190DT blower. Screeches and doesn't start all the time. Did the usual RR but could not get the blower covering out, it was snagged on something underneath. Finally managed to wiggle it correctly(?) and out it came. The bottom of the cover is missing a fair portion of the shell plastic, and not enough bits came out to fill the holes. The remaining plastic is still supple, not brittle.WTF? Has anyone else had this unpleasant surprise? Swapped the blower assy and it works fine. Pic. attached, I hope. TTFN Fred Moir Lynn MA Junkyard prowler. 85 300TD 190DT Blue (smooth) 190DT White (bent) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 201 Blower Cover.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1102020 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080704/e765fa5a/attachment.obj ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
Has the car been in an accident? Sometimes hidden damage appears in the strangest places. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:51 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Blower motor Hi, All. Todays item on the to do list was the 190DT blower. Screeches and doesn't start all the time. Did the usual RR but could not get the blower covering out, it was snagged on something underneath. Finally managed to wiggle it correctly(?) and out it came. The bottom of the cover is missing a fair portion of the shell plastic, and not enough bits came out to fill the holes. The remaining plastic is still supple, not brittle.WTF? Has anyone else had this unpleasant surprise? Swapped the blower assy and it works fine. Pic. attached, I hope. TTFN Fred Moir Lynn MA Junkyard prowler. 85 300TD 190DT Blue (smooth) 190DT White (bent) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 201 Blower Cover.jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1102020 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080704/e76 5fa5a/attachment.obj ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
Frederick W Moir wrote: The bottom of the cover is missing a fair portion of the shell plastic, and not enough bits came out to fill the holes. Do you still have the other car? I've got to fix the noisy blower in the 190E, might swap in the blower from the 190Dt. Can probably send you a cover if both of mine are good. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Blower motor oiling on 83' 300D
Also got in there and took a look at the blower motor on my 83' 300D that is periodically blowing fuses. Not all the time, but every now and then. Someone mentioned oiling the bearing and felt scraper with 30W might help lessen it's draw. Well I got the motor out, but I didn't see any obvious access to bearings. I had some thick almost gel-like oil in a spray can with a straw (though it's so thick it just drools, never sprays) and got in as near as I could through the blower fan on one end and in-between the brushes on the other end. Not sure where this felt scraper was or if I got to the right area, or if there's more I'm supposed to disassemble, but it seems like I'm either going to break the plastic fan trying to force it off the shaft, or have to bend metal on the other end to get any better access... I've never had one out before and turned it on. MAN those things move a LOT of air. (: Also, along the same lines, are there 3 or 5 total possible speeds for the fan? I was thinking someone had said that there was basically the top speed 5 which could only be accessed via the top fan button, a lowest speed 1 which could only be accessed via the bottom fan button, and then the auto button chose between speeds 2,3 or 4. But I was monkeying with it more lately, and I'm not sure I can tell much difference between the high and low push buttons and the max or min speeds that auto reaches... And lastly, if I were to give the blower motor it's own upgraded wiring to handle a 20amp fuse for full speed, Is there a simple way so that I can do that without interfering with the ACC system? I'm tempted to just put in my own switch for max speed, but it would be nice if it were just integrated with the ACC system so that it functions as it does now, simply with an extra fuse and a little bit of wiring. I guess what I really need is to find a wiring diagram(preferably one that just dealt with the blower motor). I'm having trouble trying to figure out where the wiring goes with the control unit in the center dash, the resistors way out behind the passenger headlight, and then the motor back in the passenger footwell...(not to mention the fuse over on the drivers side). Thanks! Levi
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor oiling on 83' 300D
Someone mentioned oiling the bearing and felt scraper with 30W might help lessen it's draw. Well I got the motor out, but I didn't see any obvious access to bearings. Yeah, that sounds about right. If it was easy everybody would be doing it! Also, along the same lines, are there 3 or 5 total possible speeds for the fan? I was thinking someone had said that there was basically the top speed 5 which could only be accessed via the top fan button, a lowest speed 1 which could only be accessed via the bottom fan button, and then the auto button chose between speeds 2,3 or 4. That sounds about right. I believe it's in the factory ACC service manual, but there are a number of variations on that system. My manual says that AUTO runs between 2-5. 3-5 when on defog (not defrost). Full speed is setting #6. But I was monkeying with it more lately, and I'm not sure I can tell much difference between the high and low push buttons and the max or min speeds that auto reaches... If it works good, it _is_ good! And lastly, if I were to give the blower motor it's own upgraded wiring to handle a 20amp fuse for full speed, Is there a simple way so that I can do that without interfering with the ACC system? I'm tempted to just put in my own switch for max speed, No, that's tacky. Hurts resale value too. I guess what I really need is to find a wiring diagram(preferably one that just dealt with the blower motor). I'm having trouble trying to figure out The factory ACC service manual is a good starting place. Unfortunately the scans of the schematic diagrams are some of the worst ever made. where the wiring goes with the control unit in the center dash, the resistors way out behind the passenger headlight, and then the motor back in the passenger footwell...(not to mention the fuse over on the drivers side). Don't forget the blower speed switching unit behind the glove box. :-) That would probably be where you ran the auxiliary fused wire, were you to do such a thing. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor oiling on 83' 300D
Ok, didn't even know about that one... So, if I'm thinking this correctly... There is a switch behind the glovebox (where exactly? Or what does it look like? I was back there the other day and there seems to be a good bit of junk in there) so all I would have to do is upgrade the wiring from the motor to ground or positive (I'm assuming one of them is on all the time and it's only switching either the positive or the ground) then upgrade the wiring from the motor to the switch, and then upgrade a single power line from the switch to the battery with a fuse since full speed shouldn't deal with those resistors up front, right? Levi (: On 11/9/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The factory ACC service manual is a good starting place. Unfortunately the scans of the schematic diagrams are some of the worst ever made. where the wiring goes with the control unit in the center dash, the resistors way out behind the passenger headlight, and then the motor back in the passenger footwell...(not to mention the fuse over on the drivers side). Don't forget the blower speed switching unit behind the glove box. :-) That would probably be where you ran the auxiliary fused wire, were you to do such a thing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor oiling on 83' 300D
Hmm, I'm looking at the manual and the first thing I'm wondering is what does this mean: For perfect operation of automatic climate control, the manually operated air inlets in instrument panel should not be closed altogether. What air inlets in the instrument panel are they talking about? The temp sensor? The center vents? Levi On 11/9/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess what I really need is to find a wiring diagram(preferably one that just dealt with the blower motor). I'm having trouble trying to figure out The factory ACC service manual is a good starting place. Unfortunately the scans of the schematic diagrams are some of the worst ever made. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor oiling on 83' 300D
For perfect operation of automatic climate control, the manually operated air inlets in instrument panel should not be closed altogether. By 'inlet', they mean inlet to the car. Outlets, in standard English. Don't close them all, on the 123 the 'eyeballs' twist to open and close. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor oiling on 83' 300D
Ok, didn't even know about that one... So, if I'm thinking this correctly... There is a switch behind the glovebox (where exactly? As is completely obvious from the manual (! :-) the ACC system produces an analog voltage corresponding to the speed it wishes the blower to operate at. Depending on the vintage of the car, either a relay box (behind the glove box) switches in and out the dropping resistors, or the porcupine (which you don't have) regulates the blower current steplessly. You would update the main power feed to this switching box. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor irregularities - 1982 300SD
Thank you for the heads up on the okiebenz.com. I pulled the motor and cleaned it up and oiled the shaft as best I could and it seems to be working a little better. Where is the resister located on this? Thanks, Mike - Original Message - From: Striplin Admin account [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MICHAEL ESH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Blower motor irregularities - 1982 300SD You need to send posts to okiebenz.com. Sounds like your blower motor resistor might be going bad. I should have one available. MICHAEL ESH wrote: Does anyone know if there is a blower motor regulator on a 1982 300TD that would cause the blower motor to slow down after 5 minutes of running correctly? Or would this be function the Climate Control Unit. It seems to happening when I use the AC or the Heat. Thanks in advance, Mike P.S. The fuse has blown once and the replacement fuse is very warm when the fan is on full speed.
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor irregularities - 1982 300SD
Where is the resister located on this? Is this a 123 or 126 we're talking about? The 123 resistor pack is on one of the fenders, IIRC. Big holey box with a bunch of hefty wirewound resistors in it, they look like springs. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor irregularities - 1982 300SD
Thanks Jim, This a 123 wagon. Is there away to test it? Thanks, Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor irregularities - 1982 300SD Where is the resister located on this? Is this a 123 or 126 we're talking about? The 123 resistor pack is on one of the fenders, IIRC. Big holey box with a bunch of hefty wirewound resistors in it, they look like springs. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor irregularities - 1982 300SD
This a 123 wagon. Is there away to test it? An ohmeter, one that reads low ohms usefully. Measure across each 'spring', each ought to have continuity. You can see any deformation faults, also, so if there's continuity on each one and it passes visual inspection... -- Jim
[MBZ] Blower motor fuse, 300 SDL
No blower operation at any push button position. #16 fuse looked good but was replaced, no change. Does anyone know if there is another fuse on the SDL? There was a thread recently discussing a requirement to add an inline fuse for the 126 but that might have been for pre 86 and 87 SDLs, I don't know. Thanks Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor fuse, 300 SDL
Look on the inner fender in front of the fuse box. Mine has a 1/2 inch square by 1 1/2 box there. Inside it has a 30 A fuse strip, similar to the glow plug fuse. (GP fuse is 60A) At 12:32 PM 1/30/2006, you wrote: No blower operation at any push button position. #16 fuse looked good but was replaced, no change. Does anyone know if there is another fuse on the SDL? There was a thread recently discussing a requirement to add an inline fuse for the 126 but that might have been for pre 86 and 87 SDLs, I don't know. Thanks Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor fuse, 300 SDL
No blower operation at any push button position. #16 fuse looked good but was replaced, no change. It is also possible that the blower brushes have given up. Other than the fan not working, is the ACC system acting OK? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor fuse, 300 SDL
There is a strip fuse outside the fuse box, just be in a little rectangle housing near the main fuse box. Harry Watkins wrote: No blower operation at any push button position. #16 fuse looked good but was replaced, no change. Does anyone know if there is another fuse on the SDL? There was a thread recently discussing a requirement to add an inline fuse for the 126 but that might have been for pre 86 and 87 SDLs, I don't know. Thanks Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] blower motor repair
This is on a model that many of us can't afford. My brother-in-law (some of you might remember Gene from the last OkieQ) has been asked to replace the blower motor in his boss's Benz -- 94 or 95 E420. Black paint, black leather interior, tinted windows. And no, but owner isn't African-American. Actually, he is originally from Iran. A millionaire -- in a business that doesn't involve the importing of oil. He sells aircraft parts. Where is this blower motor located? Anyone have the pdf with the procedure (cough, hello there Marshall?)? Part is $700 from the dealership (yes Rusty, I will check your prices) and labor is quoted as $400. Thanks for the assistance. Don -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] blower motor repair
Thanks to all for the advice. Shall print out and have Debbie pass on to Gene. On 11/30/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don wrote: This is on a model that many of us can't afford. My brother-in-law (some of you might remember Gene from the last OkieQ) has been asked to replace the blower motor in his boss's Benz -- 94 or 95 E420. Black paint, black leather interior, tinted windows. And no, but owner isn't African-American. Actually, he is originally from Iran. A millionaire -- in a business that doesn't involve the importing of oil. He sells aircraft parts. Where is this blower motor located? Anyone have the pdf with the procedure (cough, hello there Marshall?)? Part is $700 from the dealership (yes Rusty, I will check your prices) and labor is quoted as $400. Thanks for the assistance. You remove the wiper then open the blower housing and the blower replacement is a snap. http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Climate/83-556.pdf http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC2/Program/Chassis/82-0680.pdf Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] blower motor repair
gollie i didn't think it would really matter ... , [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 94 or 95 E420. Black paint, black leather interior, tinted windows. And no, but owner isn't African-American. Actually, he is originally from Iran.
Re: [MBZ] blower motor info
I expect you know the epc doesn't speak Bosch, Constantine, but plugging blower p/n into a search it indicates that 126 820 05 42 is common to 126.024/025/032/033/035/037/039/043/044/045/120/125/134/135. Looks like that's virtually all 126 that were officially imported into the NA mkt. Don't see any indication that the p/n's been superceded since start of production. joe
[MBZ] blower motor info
For those of you with a 350 SDL or other models using the same blower motor, it is in fact a Bosch 0 130 111 017 and is made in Germany. A new unit has a resistance of 2.3 ohms. I'd appreciate any input regarding other units. Which models take the 0 130 111 001? What is their resistance in ohms? I'll be using this information to update my file and drawing which you can download from www.scaffolding.com/mb. Constantine
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
andrew strasfogel wrote: Yes...But is it normal for the low setting to be so low as to be almost imperceptible? I can't hear mine on low. I can feel the air coming out the dash vents, but the airflow is pretty low. At speed the ram air effect increases it a bit.
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
Yes...But is it normal for the low setting to be so low as to be almost imperceptible? On 8/15/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Marshall. I recently changed the foam connector hose. My question was really how much action can you expect to get from the blower on the 'low' setting The low setting should be slower and thus move less air than the slowest speed of the 3 or 4 auto settings. The high setting will move MORE air than any speed of the auto setting. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
Mine is... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:53 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor Yes...But is it normal for the low setting to be so low as to be almost imperceptible? On 8/15/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Marshall. I recently changed the foam connector hose. My question was really how much action can you expect to get from the blower on the 'low' setting The low setting should be slower and thus move less air than the slowest speed of the 3 or 4 auto settings. The high setting will move MORE air than any speed of the auto setting. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
Thank you, Royce! Sometimes I raise really simple issues that require a simple answer. I feel better already On 8/16/05, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mine is... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:53 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor Yes...But is it normal for the low setting to be so low as to be almost imperceptible? On 8/15/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Marshall. I recently changed the foam connector hose. My question was really how much action can you expect to get from the blower on the 'low' setting The low setting should be slower and thus move less air than the slowest speed of the 3 or 4 auto settings. The high setting will move MORE air than any speed of the auto setting. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
BLOWER QUESTION: Using the AC on my 1983 300td, the low blower setting is almost imperceptible (though it does work). I don't get enough cooling so always have to switch the fan back to automatic, then I get too cold again. Is this wimpy low setting on the blower motor normal? It is working, but the output is pathetic... On 8/13/05, Joe Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know, Constantine. I was just speculating as a result of your having received the wrong motor first time around. Just did a quick check and found a vehicle parts finder at: http://www.boschusa.com/AutoParts/PartFinder/partfinder.asp Don't see any reference to blower motors though. The partfinder seems to be under development; not a lot of useful categories up and running yet. joe On 8/13/05, Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, Does Bosch have a catalog of parts for the MB? If so, where is it available? ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
andrew strasfogel wrote: BLOWER QUESTION: Using the AC on my 1983 300td, the low blower setting is almost imperceptible (though it does work). I don't get enough cooling so always have to switch the fan back to automatic, then I get too cold again. Is this wimpy low setting on the blower motor normal? It is working, but the output is pathetic... If the temp becomes too cold with the blower control in the automatic mode, it's PROBABLY because the temp controller is working improperly - NOT because the blower control is not working properly. This MIGHT be because the tube from the blower to the in cabin temp sensor is not drawing sufficient air across the sensor. The tube OFTEN rots or becomes disconnected and this OR much less frequently if the sensor degenerates, can result in erratic or unexpected temperature/blower motor operation. I'm sure it IS possible that the low speed setting to the blower to be wimpy, but that shouldn't result in temp output with the blower control in the automatic mode being too cold. Diagnosing this system is tedious, but NOT particularly difficult IF you follow the entire troubleshooting procedure outlined in the factory manual (not quite as complex as the systems incorporated into later 126s in the mid '85 and in the 201/124s). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
Thanks, Marshall. I recently changed the foam connector hose. My question was really how much action can you expect to get from the blower on the 'low' setting On 8/15/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: BLOWER QUESTION: Using the AC on my 1983 300td, the low blower setting is almost imperceptible (though it does work). I don't get enough cooling so always have to switch the fan back to automatic, then I get too cold again. Is this wimpy low setting on the blower motor normal? It is working, but the output is pathetic... If the temp becomes too cold with the blower control in the automatic mode, it's PROBABLY because the temp controller is working improperly - NOT because the blower control is not working properly. This MIGHT be because the tube from the blower to the in cabin temp sensor is not drawing sufficient air across the sensor. The tube OFTEN rots or becomes disconnected and this OR much less frequently if the sensor degenerates, can result in erratic or unexpected temperature/blower motor operation. I'm sure it IS possible that the low speed setting to the blower to be wimpy, but that shouldn't result in temp output with the blower control in the automatic mode being too cold. Diagnosing this system is tedious, but NOT particularly difficult IF you follow the entire troubleshooting procedure outlined in the factory manual (not quite as complex as the systems incorporated into later 126s in the mid '85 and in the 201/124s). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Marshall. I recently changed the foam connector hose. My question was really how much action can you expect to get from the blower on the 'low' setting The low setting should be slower and thus move less air than the slowest speed of the 3 or 4 auto settings. The high setting will move MORE air than any speed of the auto setting. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
[MBZ] blower motor
Joe, Thank for your response. I contacted Bosch and learned that they have both motors available through their distributors. The two are 0130 111 017 and 0130 111 001 these are stand alone units and are not to be used interchangeably.. according to the Bosch rep. My observation is that there a 2 mm difference between the models. The 001 model is shorter, the shaft comes flush with end of the housing- which it not supposed to do- because you are supposed to install a retaining washer on the end- according to design. MB does not sell the motors seperately. Bosch does. Bosch also sell the same assembly fan and housing - the same one that MB does. Constantine
Re: [MBZ] blower motor
Good to know, Constantine. Sounds like all's well; presumably the correct replacement is either in hand or on its way. Wonder how long before another SDL owner encounters a similar predicament. Hopefully not before the good folks at Bosch have corrected what appears to be an error in their catalog. joe
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor
Don't know, Constantine. I was just speculating as a result of your having received the wrong motor first time around. Just did a quick check and found a vehicle parts finder at: http://www.boschusa.com/AutoParts/PartFinder/partfinder.asp Don't see any reference to blower motors though. The partfinder seems to be under development; not a lot of useful categories up and running yet. joe On 8/13/05, Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, Does Bosch have a catalog of parts for the MB? If so, where is it available?
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor 350SDL
Blower motor isn't listed separate from the fan in the epc, Constantine, and there's no indication the part has been upgraded since production began. Guess you sourced your new one outside the dealer network. joe On 8/9/05, Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received a new Bosch motor for the blower housing. For some reason it is 2 mm shorter than the original Bosch. With this version you can not install the original lock washer, as when the shaft protruded 2mm out of the fan. Did Bosch find that the lock washer was unnecessary and shortened the shaft or is there another model designed to protrude the 2 mm as the original? My original Bosch motor was 0 130 111 017. The replacement which I presently have ( which is 2 mm shorter- and has Only all 126) is 0 130 111 001.
[MBZ] Blower motor 350SDL
I just received a new Bosch motor for the blower housing. For some reason it is 2 mm shorter than the original Bosch. With this version you can not install the original lock washer, as when the shaft protruded 2mm out of the fan. Did Bosch find that the lock washer was unnecessary and shortened the shaft or is there another model designed to protrude the 2 mm as the original? My original Bosch motor was 0 130 111 017. The replacement which I presently have ( which is 2 mm shorter- and has Only all 126) is 0 130 111 001. Constantine
[MBZ] blower motor update-illustrated
This file contains a drawing. blower motor.doc Description: MS-Word document
Re: [MBZ] blower motor update-illustrated
About what I thought you were getting at, Constantine. The drawing's good confirmation, though. joe On 8/4/05, Constantine N. Polites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This file contains a drawing.
[MBZ] Blower motor removal-350SDL
This is an update on an effective method to remove the blower motor from the fan. Tools: One 8 or larger steel C clamp One light copper hammer One 6 x 10 mm socket head screw A bit of Kroil Four 2 x 4 x 8 wood blocks Method: Soak the fan end of the motor spindle with Kroil. I waited overnight. A heavy steel or wood table is required. Place 2 blocks over each other on each side of the fan, which will then be suspended. Open the steel C clamp so the the socket screw will fit between it and the metal spindle of the motor and the base of the table. The socket end should be in contact with the clamp. Slowly...very slowly begin tightening the clamp, stop at each 1/8 of a turn and tap the clamp to send vibrations through the spindle. Wait 5-10 seconds each time to allow the parts to react. Keep up this process and you will suddenly hear a crack. You can then tighten it a bit faster and thereafter use the hammer to tap out the motor. Constantine
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor 350 SDL
In a message dated 7/31/2005 11:22:25 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason for this break appears to to be a defective blower motor. In the high speed mode it sometimes begins to smoke. I am now about to replace it but would like to know if there there is any problem or disadvantage in replacing the actual motor instead of the complete motor fan assembly. There is a difference of $ 160. between the two. Constantine, The impeller is held in place by a circular spring and should come off fairly easily. You might need a couple of flat pieces of wood to pry it off. Make a drawing first to make sure you get the impeller back on with the vanes in the right direction. Also take a measurement on the amount of shaft sticking out of the impeller. Save the $160! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 137 K miles
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor 350 SDL
I have replaced several blower motors. Getting the impeller's off the motor can sometimes be a PITA, however the trick I learned was to have someone hold the impeller and then I take an air hammer and hit the center shaft of motor. The old motor falls on ground and life is good. No broken impeller's no cursing, etc. Regards, Trampas _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blower motor 350 SDL In a message dated 7/31/2005 11:22:25 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason for this break appears to to be a defective blower motor. In the high speed mode it sometimes begins to smoke. I am now about to replace it but would like to know if there there is any problem or disadvantage in replacing the actual motor instead of the complete motor fan assembly. There is a difference of $ 160. between the two. Constantine, The impeller is held in place by a circular spring and should come off fairly easily. You might need a couple of flat pieces of wood to pry it off. Make a drawing first to make sure you get the impeller back on with the vanes in the right direction. Also take a measurement on the amount of shaft sticking out of the impeller. Save the $160! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 137 K miles
[MBZ] Blower motor 350 SDL
Thanks Jim and Trampas for your insight.. Does anyone have a good source for R12? The best I've been able to get is Refron 800 573 3766 at $420.for a 30# cylinder. I got certified a year ago to solve this problem. Anyone had either positive or negative experiences with this firm? Constantine
Re: [MBZ] Blower motor 350 SDL
You could go the illegal route and use Freeze 12 or HC 12A or Duracool. These are all a mixture of propane and butane and perform the same or better than R12. Regards, Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Constantine N. Polites Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Blower motor 350 SDL Thanks Jim and Trampas for your insight.. Does anyone have a good source for R12? The best I've been able to get is Refron 800 573 3766 at $420.for a 30# cylinder. I got certified a year ago to solve this problem. Anyone had either positive or negative experiences with this firm? Constantine ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Blower motor 350 SDL
A few weeks ago the fuse blew for the blower motor. Thanks to all for identifying the problem and and the location. The fuse actually appeared to be ok but in fact had broken at the edge. The reason for this break appears to to be a defective blower motor. In the high speed mode it sometimes begins to smoke. I am now about to replace it but would like to know if there there is any problem or disadvantage in replacing the actual motor instead of the complete motor fan assembly. There is a difference of $ 160. between the two. Regards, Constantine
[MBZ] Blower motor
Hi, All. I'm about to remove the covers to get at the heater blower motor. Have RTFM, and the reduced archives, (now moved) and was wondering about removing the wiper assembly. Specifcally, the rubber seal around the gearbox that is pinched under the edge of the windshield. I took the assembly out of my organ donor 190E 85, peeled the seal out from under the edge of the glass and removed the whole thing to my workshop and still could not see how to remove the large plastic housing about the gearbox. Three screws in the bottom of the housing released one end of the cover, and then I chickened out, not wanting to destroy a good assembly. If any one can talk me through this (in words of one syllable) I shall be most grateful. TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA 190D 84 Miles, lots 85 300TD 87 190DT
