Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Only problem I see with ICF is the inability to change things. That is, you 
better be darned sure you’ve got all the openings and rough-ins where you want 
them, as you’re going to have a tough time changing things down the road.

-D

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:15 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I want my next house to be designed and built ICF.  I like the idea of the 
> structure being capable of withstanding multitude of insults and lasting for 
> more than a handful score years.
> 
> ---
> clay
> 
> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
> looking for didn't fall out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2021-04-29 21:49, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>> If
>>> they could source a mason, that could give them a sturdy fortified
>>> keep.
>> 
>> With ICF, anybody's a structural mason
>> 
>> https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/concrete-forms/liteform-reg-8-straight-block-insulated-concrete-form/lf08/p-7919224473478597-c-5653.htm
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

I want my next house to be designed and built ICF.  I like the idea of the 
structure being capable of withstanding multitude of insults and lasting for 
more than a handful score years.

---
clay

I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
looking for didn't fall out.




> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2021-04-29 21:49, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>  If
>> they could source a mason, that could give them a sturdy fortified
>> keep.
> 
> With ICF, anybody's a structural mason
> 
> https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/concrete-forms/liteform-reg-8-straight-block-insulated-concrete-form/lf08/p-7919224473478597-c-5653.htm

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[OK Don via Mercedes]

A neighbor is building a house with these, or similar. The structure is up
with roof, working on the interior now.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 1:11 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> With ICF, anybody's a structural mason
>
>
> https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/concrete-forms/liteform-reg-8-straight-block-insulated-concrete-form/lf08/p-7919224473478597-c-5653.htm
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

How does all that foam change things if there is a fire? Isn't it quite
flamable and doesn't it produce a lot of toxic smoke when it burns?

Allan

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> yeah I did SIPs on my timber frame addition, they go up quick esp if you 
> have a shop to do the cutting before you get onsite, then they go up 
> fast since all the doors and windows are cut and framed.
>
> Althernatively a metal building is fast and cheap too, spray foam on the 
> inside and finish it off with sheetrock or something for a quick living 
> space
>
> --FT

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We’re looking at SIPs if we go with building a place in AZ. Up front costs are 
higher, but the labor and finishing costs are much, much lower. And you can 
have a sealed (building) envelope in a day or two.

-D

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah I did SIPs on my timber frame addition, they go up quick esp if you have 
> a shop to do the cutting before you get onsite, then they go up fast since 
> all the doors and windows are cut and framed.
> 
> Althernatively a metal building is fast and cheap too, spray foam on the 
> inside and finish it off with sheetrock or something for a quick living space
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 4/30/21 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> That or just go with SIPs:
>> 
>> https://www.sips.org/about/what-are-sips 
>>  
>> > >
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2021-04-29 21:49, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
  If
 they could source a mason, that could give them a sturdy fortified
 keep.
>>> With ICF, anybody's a structural mason
>>> 
>>> https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/concrete-forms/liteform-reg-8-straight-block-insulated-concrete-form/lf08/p-7919224473478597-c-5653.htm
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

yeah I did SIPs on my timber frame addition, they go up quick esp if you 
have a shop to do the cutting before you get onsite, then they go up 
fast since all the doors and windows are cut and framed.


Althernatively a metal building is fast and cheap too, spray foam on the 
inside and finish it off with sheetrock or something for a quick living 
space


--FT

On 4/30/21 2:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That or just go with SIPs:

https://www.sips.org/about/what-are-sips 


-D




On Apr 30, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

On 2021-04-29 21:49, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

  If
they could source a mason, that could give them a sturdy fortified
keep.

With ICF, anybody's a structural mason

https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/concrete-forms/liteform-reg-8-straight-block-insulated-concrete-form/lf08/p-7919224473478597-c-5653.htm

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That or just go with SIPs:

https://www.sips.org/about/what-are-sips 


-D



> On Apr 30, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-04-29 21:49, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>  If
>> they could source a mason, that could give them a sturdy fortified
>> keep.
> 
> With ICF, anybody's a structural mason
> 
> https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/concrete-forms/liteform-reg-8-straight-block-insulated-concrete-form/lf08/p-7919224473478597-c-5653.htm
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-04-29 21:49, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

  If
they could source a mason, that could give them a sturdy fortified
keep.



With ICF, anybody's a structural mason

https://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/concrete-cement-masonry/concrete-forms/liteform-reg-8-straight-block-insulated-concrete-form/lf08/p-7919224473478597-c-5653.htm

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Also in the summer, mosquitos the size of pelicans, from what I remember.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> True on the climate, but it’s just as cold. I’ve spent more time than I care 
> to recall in the Wausau area in the winter and it’s not pleasant. Not nearly 
> as bad as the northern plains, however.
>
> It didn’t occur to me until now that since it’s a former Amish farm there 
> won’t be electricity in the buildings most likely. You would have to go 
> through and “electrify” all of the structures which could be pricey of you 
> had to pay to do it.
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wausau gets a lot less snow and wind, much better climate, and some decent 
>> topography (rolling hills).  However, the state politics are going south.  A 
>> big advantage for Wisconsin is that the Governor has a line item veto power, 
>> so he can strike out any stupid pork or other nonsense from legislative 
>> malfeasance, and keep them budget balanced.  All that is for nought if the 
>> voters don't vote wisely.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> Apr 29, 2021 8:11:12 AM dan--- via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Clay,
>>> 
>>> If they’re not set on ND the former Amish farm I posted in the original 
>>> post might be of interest. I think it was 100 acres with 60 farmable. Big 
>>> Amish house and related buildings that need some work and most likely 
>>> electricity run in them. Outside of Wausau, WI, which is about as temperate 
>>> as ND, probably better. Under $400k, which seems like a good deal.
>>> 
>>> Figure you could lease the farmland to start.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:42 AM, Clay via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 I suspect they will need to set up a condominium agreement.  Not my 
 trouble to take on.  Grown group of men, let them figure it out, is my 
 view.  SWMBA is a helicopter mom, so will most likely make it her affair 
 to meddle in.  Foo foo drinks with paper parasols on a beach is my end 
 goal.  Keep me from having to use the car in garage for warmth when the 
 massive quake and tsunami strike GWN, taking out all civilized remnants.
 
 Clay
 

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

My boy is the electrician, so that works for them.  He  knows some plumbing.  
They also have the heavy diesel mechanic (to keep the generator going) and a 
pair of IT workers.  One of whose wife is going to be in charge of “farming”.  
They boys want their own range on the property, and to have some hunting fun.  
Nobody swings hammers.  If they could source a mason, that could give them a 
sturdy fortified keep.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Apr 29, 2021, at 6:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> True on the climate, but it’s just as cold. I’ve spent more time than I care 
> to recall in the Wausau area in the winter and it’s not pleasant. Not nearly 
> as bad as the northern plains, however.
> 
> It didn’t occur to me until now that since it’s a former Amish farm there 
> won’t be electricity in the buildings most likely. You would have to go 
> through and “electrify” all of the structures which could be pricey of you 
> had to pay to do it.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

Motley group with half of them heading to M$ jobs in Fargo.  People he met in 
college who all bombed out end of freshman year, late bloomers.  I am going to 
opine that it is wishful thinking for the most part, but I have been proven 
wrong often.   


Clay



> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:10 AM, dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Clay,
> 
> If they’re not set on ND the former Amish farm I posted in the original post 
> might be of interest. I think it was 100 acres with 60 farmable. Big Amish 
> house and related buildings that need some work and most likely electricity 
> run in them. Outside of Wausau, WI, which is about as temperate as ND, 
> probably better. Under $400k, which seems like a good deal.
> 
> Figure you could lease the farmland to start.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

These could be cleared with a black powder pistol.  Shot gun pellets would 
cause trouble to units alongside.

Clay


> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:15 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> AKA shotgun house down south.
> 
> -Original Message-

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

True on the climate, but it’s just as cold. I’ve spent more time than I care to 
recall in the Wausau area in the winter and it’s not pleasant. Not nearly as 
bad as the northern plains, however.

It didn’t occur to me until now that since it’s a former Amish farm there won’t 
be electricity in the buildings most likely. You would have to go through and 
“electrify” all of the structures which could be pricey of you had to pay to do 
it.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wausau gets a lot less snow and wind, much better climate, and some decent 
> topography (rolling hills).  However, the state politics are going south.  A 
> big advantage for Wisconsin is that the Governor has a line item veto power, 
> so he can strike out any stupid pork or other nonsense from legislative 
> malfeasance, and keep them budget balanced.  All that is for nought if the 
> voters don't vote wisely.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> Apr 29, 2021 8:11:12 AM dan--- via Mercedes :
> 
>> Clay,
>> 
>> If they’re not set on ND the former Amish farm I posted in the original post 
>> might be of interest. I think it was 100 acres with 60 farmable. Big Amish 
>> house and related buildings that need some work and most likely electricity 
>> run in them. Outside of Wausau, WI, which is about as temperate as ND, 
>> probably better. Under $400k, which seems like a good deal.
>> 
>> Figure you could lease the farmland to start.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:42 AM, Clay via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suspect they will need to set up a condominium agreement.  Not my trouble 
>>> to take on.  Grown group of men, let them figure it out, is my view.  SWMBA 
>>> is a helicopter mom, so will most likely make it her affair to meddle in.  
>>> Foo foo drinks with paper parasols on a beach is my end goal.  Keep me from 
>>> having to use the car in garage for warmth when the massive quake and 
>>> tsunami strike GWN, taking out all civilized remnants.
>>> 
>>> Clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Clay via Mercedes  writes:
 
> Four or five investors, as long as they remain on good terms, could 
> pencil out.
 
 I'd highly recommend working with an attorney to very clearly define
 what happens if/when any of them "want out" of the deal.
 
 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Wausau gets a lot less snow and wind, much better climate, and some decent 
topography (rolling hills).  However, the state politics are going south.  A 
big advantage for Wisconsin is that the Governor has a line item veto power, so 
he can strike out any stupid pork or other nonsense from legislative 
malfeasance, and keep them budget balanced.  All that is for nought if the 
voters don't vote wisely.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 29, 2021 8:11:12 AM dan--- via Mercedes :

> Clay,
> 
> If they’re not set on ND the former Amish farm I posted in the original post 
> might be of interest. I think it was 100 acres with 60 farmable. Big Amish 
> house and related buildings that need some work and most likely electricity 
> run in them. Outside of Wausau, WI, which is about as temperate as ND, 
> probably better. Under $400k, which seems like a good deal.
> 
> Figure you could lease the farmland to start.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:42 AM, Clay via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect they will need to set up a condominium agreement.  Not my trouble 
>> to take on.  Grown group of men, let them figure it out, is my view.  SWMBA 
>> is a helicopter mom, so will most likely make it her affair to meddle in.  
>> Foo foo drinks with paper parasols on a beach is my end goal.  Keep me from 
>> having to use the car in garage for warmth when the massive quake and 
>> tsunami strike GWN, taking out all civilized remnants.
>> 
>> Clay
>> 
>> 
>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Clay via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 Four or five investors, as long as they remain on good terms, could pencil 
 out.
>>> 
>>> I'd highly recommend working with an attorney to very clearly define
>>> what happens if/when any of them "want out" of the deal.
>>> 
>>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Clay,

If they’re not set on ND the former Amish farm I posted in the original post 
might be of interest. I think it was 100 acres with 60 farmable. Big Amish 
house and related buildings that need some work and most likely electricity run 
in them. Outside of Wausau, WI, which is about as temperate as ND, probably 
better. Under $400k, which seems like a good deal.

Figure you could lease the farmland to start.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:42 AM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I suspect they will need to set up a condominium agreement.  Not my trouble 
> to take on.  Grown group of men, let them figure it out, is my view.  SWMBA 
> is a helicopter mom, so will most likely make it her affair to meddle in.  
> Foo foo drinks with paper parasols on a beach is my end goal.  Keep me from 
> having to use the car in garage for warmth when the massive quake and tsunami 
> strike GWN, taking out all civilized remnants.
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Clay via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Four or five investors, as long as they remain on good terms, could pencil 
>>> out.
>> 
>> I'd highly recommend working with an attorney to very clearly define
>> what happens if/when any of them "want out" of the deal.
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

AKA shotgun house down south.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 12:04 AM
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Cc: Clay 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

The chinese are swooping in and leveling homes on lots over 0.25 acre.  Then 
they toss up these slim townhomes that are no wider than a garage.  Zoning 
allows for mass density.  Maybe the investor got the property for a million, 
bulldozes and puts up seven units that sell for $1mm each.  One two block area 
close to the children’s hospital he snagged five lots that had 70 year old 
duplexes (formerly nurses and intern housing) and populated them with the 
townhomes.  I counted over 20 units.

Clay


inter urinas et faeces nascimur

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Californians are destroying any chance an Arizonan has on getting a house 
> here in AZ. I started paying some attention a little over two years ago when 
> we had pretty much decided that we wouldn’t have a condo down here in Phoenix 
> for the winter, and a condo or a house up in the mountains for the summer. 
> Californians were outbidding us Arizonans, and moving here in droves. The 
> main difference now is the people doing all of the bidding on the homes for 
> sale in my neighborhood are investors from California. Not people who want to 
> move here, investors. From CA. Almost without except   They have some pat 
> order saying that they will overbid the highest bidder by X number of 
> thousands of dollars, and when it closes they immediately gut the home, 
> Remodel it to look exactly like any one of the DYI renovation shows on TV, 
> paint the exterior white with gray trim and sell it for 250,000 more than 
> they bought it for. It is ruining my eclectic neighborhood. 
> 
> AZBob

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[Clay via Mercedes]

I suspect they will need to set up a condominium agreement.  Not my trouble to 
take on.  Grown group of men, let them figure it out, is my view.  SWMBA is a 
helicopter mom, so will most likely make it her affair to meddle in.  Foo foo 
drinks with paper parasols on a beach is my end goal.  Keep me from having to 
use the car in garage for warmth when the massive quake and tsunami strike GWN, 
taking out all civilized remnants.

Clay


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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Four or five investors, as long as they remain on good terms, could pencil 
>> out.
> 
> I'd highly recommend working with an attorney to very clearly define
> what happens if/when any of them "want out" of the deal.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Clay via Mercedes  writes:

> Four or five investors, as long as they remain on good terms, could pencil 
> out.

I'd highly recommend working with an attorney to very clearly define
what happens if/when any of them "want out" of the deal.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

> When we bought in 2006 I think the smart money was suggesting 3x
> income. The bank said we "could afford" 4x but I refused that idea.

3x is what I've always heard, of course the amount of other debt a
person has can reduce this.

If renting, 30% of monthly income is a good "upper bound." When I was
saving for my first house, I moved to a place much cheaper than that. As
a caucasian, I was definitely in the minority. Saved a lot of money
quickly though.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

The chinese are swooping in and leveling homes on lots over 0.25 acre.  Then 
they toss up these slim townhomes that are no wider than a garage.  Zoning 
allows for mass density.  Maybe the investor got the property for a million, 
bulldozes and puts up seven units that sell for $1mm each.  One two block area 
close to the children’s hospital he snagged five lots that had 70 year old 
duplexes (formerly nurses and intern housing) and populated them with the 
townhomes.  I counted over 20 units.

Clay


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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Californians are destroying any chance an Arizonan has on getting a house 
> here in AZ. I started paying some attention a little over two years ago when 
> we had pretty much decided that we wouldn’t have a condo down here in Phoenix 
> for the winter, and a condo or a house up in the mountains for the summer. 
> Californians were outbidding us Arizonans, and moving here in droves. The 
> main difference now is the people doing all of the bidding on the homes for 
> sale in my neighborhood are investors from California. Not people who want to 
> move here, investors. From CA. Almost without except   They have some pat 
> order saying that they will overbid the highest bidder by X number of 
> thousands of dollars, and when it closes they immediately gut the home, 
> Remodel it to look exactly like any one of the DYI renovation shows on TV, 
> paint the exterior white with gray trim and sell it for 250,000 more than 
> they bought it for. It is ruining my eclectic neighborhood. 
> 
> AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

SEA is allowing/mandating that there be up to three housing units permitted on 
lots within the city.  So, you can build bigger (since they also mandated you 
could not build residence larger than 2k sqft) if you include a rentable suite 
in the main home, and then you can toss another residential unit for renting 
out as “affordable” housing.  

My neighborhood you can get a 400 sqft basement apt for around $1k/mo, the 
garden shack another $500 or so.

Clay


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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:58 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Housing prices and rents are out of sight here as well. The city's
> response is mainly demands for developers to build "affordable"
> housing. They are typically ignorant of the realities of economics.
> 
> Allan


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

A sad reality.  #1 boy is hoping to acquire a plop of land in ND with his cadre 
of buds.  They are thinking farmable parcel and compound for under half mil.  
Four or five investors, as long as they remain on good terms, could pencil out. 
 Too hard to foresee the future to my myopic eyes on that point.  

Thirty years ago, Dad and uncle cashed out my grandads five acres.  Did not 
make a mint, but that developed into a suburban ‘hood with, I think, a dozen 
homes.  Probably not what you want next door.  



---
clay

I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
looking for didn't fall out.




> On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:24 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Left coast is hemorrhaging people.
> 
> I noted that the U-Haul sign in downtown Spokane was trumpeting going-west 
> specials.
> That tells you something right there.
> 
> The blind offer letter I just got in the mail is offering me a 6x profit on 
> my bare
> land parcel, after 25+ years.  (Has it really been that long?)  Not gonna 
> happen!
> If I take their word for it, that 10 acres now would cost barely less than I 
> paid
> for the whole 21 acres, and the house.
> 
> My son will never be able to afford a home of his own, at this rate.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Gadzooks you guys are old ;)

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes wrote:   Yeah mine was like 1981, 13.75%, $34k 
loan. It was a Bawstun “triple dekka” with 2 rentals, I was making more after I 
bought it than before as I had no rent and the rent from the two apahtments was 
more than mortgage and taxes and such. 

Thanks Jimmuh for that 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah mine was like 1981, 13.75%, $34k loan. It was a Bawstun “triple dekka” 
with 2 rentals, I was making more after I bought it than before as I had no 
rent and the rent from the two apahtments was more than mortgage and taxes and 
such. 

Thanks Jimmuh for that 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

Truth.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

First house in early 80s. 14% if I recall correctly.

-D

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:33 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> High single digits. 9-10 percent or so. We'll be back there soon, I suspect.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> Sent: April 28, 2021 6:26 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: rickkno...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
> 
> That was for double digit interest payments though right?
> 
> When we bought in 2006 I think the smart money was suggesting 3x income. The 
> bank said we "could afford" 4x but I refused that idea.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 7:23:58 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> In high school economics, I learned the rule of thumb for affording a home 
> was two and a half times your annual income. For a $300k home, that is 
> considerably more than $40k.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: April 28, 2021 4:44 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: d...@penoff.com<mailto:d...@penoff.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
> 
> The City of Flagstaff requires builders to earmark a certain percentage of 
> new construction as subsidized housing (they have a better term for it, I 
> don’t recall what it is) that can only be sold to City employees at a reduced 
> amount. I looked at a couple of the homes being built in a subdivision that 
> has homes in the $400k-$500k range, pretty typical for the market, and the 
> cost to City employees for one was around $300k. Add to this down payment 
> assistance and $10k in a down payment “grant” that is forgiven after 10 years 
> in the property and it’s almost affordable for someone making $30k-$40k.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mrs. Dan and I, as IT professionals, make a nice living. If we spent what the 
mortgage company said we “could afford” we would have a significant mortgage 
payment and a house easily 3x-4x what ours is worth. No thanks. That's also 
why, when I called our mortgage broker when we were buying the house in 
Indiana, I asked he he thought there would be any issues with qualifying for a 
mortgage on it and he laughed at me.

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

-D

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That was for double digit interest payments though right?
> When we bought in 2006 I think the smart money was suggesting 3x income. The 
> bank said we "could afford" 4x but I refused that idea.
> -Curt
> 
>On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 7:23:58 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> In high school economics, I learned the rule of thumb for affording a home 
> was two and a half times your annual income. For a $300k home, that is 
> considerably more than $40k.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 28, 2021 4:44 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
> 
> The City of Flagstaff requires builders to earmark a certain percentage of 
> new construction as subsidized housing (they have a better term for it, I 
> don’t recall what it is) that can only be sold to City employees at a reduced 
> amount. I looked at a couple of the homes being built in a subdivision that 
> has homes in the $400k-$500k range, pretty typical for the market, and the 
> cost to City employees for one was around $300k. Add to this down payment 
> assistance and $10k in a down payment “grant” that is forgiven after 10 years 
> in the property and it’s almost affordable for someone making $30k-$40k.
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

High single digits. 9-10 percent or so. We'll be back there soon, I suspect.


Rick

From: curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: April 28, 2021 6:26 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: rickkno...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

That was for double digit interest payments though right?

When we bought in 2006 I think the smart money was suggesting 3x income. The 
bank said we "could afford" 4x but I refused that idea.

-Curt

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 7:23:58 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:


In high school economics, I learned the rule of thumb for affording a home was 
two and a half times your annual income. For a $300k home, that is considerably 
more than $40k.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: April 28, 2021 4:44 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: d...@penoff.com<mailto:d...@penoff.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

The City of Flagstaff requires builders to earmark a certain percentage of new 
construction as subsidized housing (they have a better term for it, I don’t 
recall what it is) that can only be sold to City employees at a reduced amount. 
I looked at a couple of the homes being built in a subdivision that has homes 
in the $400k-$500k range, pretty typical for the market, and the cost to City 
employees for one was around $300k. Add to this down payment assistance and 
$10k in a down payment “grant” that is forgiven after 10 years in the property 
and it’s almost affordable for someone making $30k-$40k.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 That was for double digit interest payments though right?
When we bought in 2006 I think the smart money was suggesting 3x income. The 
bank said we "could afford" 4x but I refused that idea.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 7:23:58 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 In high school economics, I learned the rule of thumb for affording a home was 
two and a half times your annual income. For a $300k home, that is considerably 
more than $40k.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 28, 2021 4:44 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

The City of Flagstaff requires builders to earmark a certain percentage of new 
construction as subsidized housing (they have a better term for it, I don’t 
recall what it is) that can only be sold to City employees at a reduced amount. 
I looked at a couple of the homes being built in a subdivision that has homes 
in the $400k-$500k range, pretty typical for the market, and the cost to City 
employees for one was around $300k. Add to this down payment assistance and 
$10k in a down payment “grant” that is forgiven after 10 years in the property 
and it’s almost affordable for someone making $30k-$40k.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

In high school economics, I learned the rule of thumb for affording a home was 
two and a half times your annual income. For a $300k home, that is considerably 
more than $40k.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 28, 2021 4:44 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

The City of Flagstaff requires builders to earmark a certain percentage of new 
construction as subsidized housing (they have a better term for it, I don’t 
recall what it is) that can only be sold to City employees at a reduced amount. 
I looked at a couple of the homes being built in a subdivision that has homes 
in the $400k-$500k range, pretty typical for the market, and the cost to City 
employees for one was around $300k. Add to this down payment assistance and 
$10k in a down payment “grant” that is forgiven after 10 years in the property 
and it’s almost affordable for someone making $30k-$40k.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The City of Flagstaff requires builders to earmark a certain percentage of new 
construction as subsidized housing (they have a better term for it, I don’t 
recall what it is) that can only be sold to City employees at a reduced amount. 
I looked at a couple of the homes being built in a subdivision that has homes 
in the $400k-$500k range, pretty typical for the market, and the cost to City 
employees for one was around $300k. Add to this down payment assistance and 
$10k in a down payment “grant” that is forgiven after 10 years in the property 
and it’s almost affordable for someone making $30k-$40k.

-D

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Californians are destroying any chance an Arizonan has on getting a house 
> here in AZ. I started paying some attention a little over two years ago when 
> we had pretty much decided that we wouldn’t have a condo down here in Phoenix 
> for the winter, and a condo or a house up in the mountains for the summer. 
> Californians were outbidding us Arizonans, and moving here in droves. The 
> main difference now is the people doing all of the bidding on the homes for 
> sale in my neighborhood are investors from California. Not people who want to 
> move here, investors. From CA. Almost without except   They have some pat 
> order saying that they will overbid the highest bidder by X number of 
> thousands of dollars, and when it closes they immediately gut the home, 
> Remodel it to look exactly like any one of the DYI renovation shows on TV, 
> paint the exterior white with gray trim and sell it for 250,000 more than 
> they bought it for. It is ruining my eclectic neighborhood. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  That and planning boards. "Build affordable housing!" "Well don't build it 
>> there. We don't allow high density in that zone." even if they will let you 
>> build there it'll get tied up in committee for 3 years, then they'll lose 
>> all the paperwork so you can start over.
>> Of course right now you can't evict anybody, even (especially) if they don't 
>> pay. I feel bad for landlords right now...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 2:59:23 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Housing prices and rents are out of sight here as well. The city's
>> response is mainly demands for developers to build "affordable"
>> housing. They are typically ignorant of the realities of economics.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> The inflation is coming.  In your place, I'd put a small portion of the 
>>> proceeds into an inflation hedge, such as precious metals (GLD is the 
>>> ticket symbol for an ETF that tracks the price of gold).  Land is another 
>>> good hedge but has more risk as external forces can play a big role.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apr 27, 2021 9:19:53 PM Clay via Mercedes :
>>> 
 Just signed a listing for my humble dojo.  Realtor thinks seven figures, 
 easy.  Older Tudor style, so you either love classic, or you are going to 
 knock it down and build to within inches of the lot line.
 
 Around me, the homes are predominantly post war suburb 50s/60s 
 architecture on largish lots, smaller home.  Big enough lots are being 
 divided and getting a pair of homes, or accessory units.  There is lots of 
 growth potential in that part of the market.  Other owners are building 
 out their existing homes to fullest size for the lots.  That will cover 
 them for maybe the next pair of decades until they have to retire.  No 
 idea who will be able to afford these multi-million boxes at that time.
 
 Mom has made 20x on her investment in a basic box home since 1967.  I have 
 realized 5x return in the past quarter century.  I have a hard time seeing 
 this house offered for $5mm in 2040.  Nobody could afford to purchase, 
 though the neighborhood a kilometer away this house would be selling for 
 twice my ask.  Maybe by then inflation will be like Zimbabwe.
 
 clay
 
 I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
 
 
 
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > > wrote:
>> 
>> Time always wins.. in 10 years the 30 somethings will be mid 40's and the
>> bubble will have gone bust Who knows what will happen to the "city
>> infrastructure" in that 10 years, with the loss of unlimited income from
>> high taxes on the people who "escaped" for whatever reason...
>> The high priced house they spent big money for is "post bubble" now worth
>> much less, and the city they think they miss is still too high to buy
>> into..
>> 
>> I predict some very unhappy people who slap their forehead every morning 
>> in
>> the mirror and say "What was I thinking?"
 
 
 Clay
 

Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Here, there is a special fund set aside for housing developments that
builds new wings on one of the many prisons located out in the desert
"High Security Housing Fund"... cuts out all the middle men in the
process... you know, to "save the children"...

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 1:35 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Some places they demand 'affordable housing units' as part of million
> > dollar McMansion developments. So, on the far corner of the property, a
> > high density section 8 apartment building gets built, satisfying the
> > local government's need for a criminal element in the community.
>
> Yes, they do that here, but there's an alternative, the developer can
> "contribute" to a local "affordable housing fund" and get exempted from
> the set-aside requirement in their development.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> Some places they demand 'affordable housing units' as part of million 
> dollar McMansion developments. So, on the far corner of the property, a 
> high density section 8 apartment building gets built, satisfying the 
> local government's need for a criminal element in the community.

Yes, they do that here, but there's an alternative, the developer can
"contribute" to a local "affordable housing fund" and get exempted from
the set-aside requirement in their development.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-04-28 14:58, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Housing prices and rents are out of sight here as well. The city's
response is mainly demands for developers to build "affordable"
housing. They are typically ignorant of the realities of economics.


Some places they demand 'affordable housing units' as part of million 
dollar McMansion developments. So, on the far corner of the property, a 
high density section 8 apartment building gets built, satisfying the 
local government's need for a criminal element in the community.


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Californians are destroying any chance an Arizonan has on getting a house here 
in AZ. I started paying some attention a little over two years ago when we had 
pretty much decided that we wouldn’t have a condo down here in Phoenix for the 
winter, and a condo or a house up in the mountains for the summer. Californians 
were outbidding us Arizonans, and moving here in droves. The main difference 
now is the people doing all of the bidding on the homes for sale in my 
neighborhood are investors from California. Not people who want to move here, 
investors. From CA. Almost without except   They have some pat order saying 
that they will overbid the highest bidder by X number of thousands of dollars, 
and when it closes they immediately gut the home, Remodel it to look exactly 
like any one of the DYI renovation shows on TV, paint the exterior white with 
gray trim and sell it for 250,000 more than they bought it for. It is ruining 
my eclectic neighborhood. 

AZBob

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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  That and planning boards. "Build affordable housing!" "Well don't build it 
> there. We don't allow high density in that zone." even if they will let you 
> build there it'll get tied up in committee for 3 years, then they'll lose all 
> the paperwork so you can start over.
> Of course right now you can't evict anybody, even (especially) if they don't 
> pay. I feel bad for landlords right now...
> -Curt
> 
>On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 2:59:23 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Housing prices and rents are out of sight here as well. The city's
> response is mainly demands for developers to build "affordable"
> housing. They are typically ignorant of the realities of economics.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> The inflation is coming.  In your place, I'd put a small portion of the 
>> proceeds into an inflation hedge, such as precious metals (GLD is the ticket 
>> symbol for an ETF that tracks the price of gold).  Land is another good 
>> hedge but has more risk as external forces can play a big role.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> Apr 27, 2021 9:19:53 PM Clay via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Just signed a listing for my humble dojo.  Realtor thinks seven figures, 
>>> easy.  Older Tudor style, so you either love classic, or you are going to 
>>> knock it down and build to within inches of the lot line.
>>> 
>>> Around me, the homes are predominantly post war suburb 50s/60s architecture 
>>> on largish lots, smaller home.  Big enough lots are being divided and 
>>> getting a pair of homes, or accessory units.  There is lots of growth 
>>> potential in that part of the market.  Other owners are building out their 
>>> existing homes to fullest size for the lots.  That will cover them for 
>>> maybe the next pair of decades until they have to retire.  No idea who will 
>>> be able to afford these multi-million boxes at that time.
>>> 
>>> Mom has made 20x on her investment in a basic box home since 1967.  I have 
>>> realized 5x return in the past quarter century.  I have a hard time seeing 
>>> this house offered for $5mm in 2040.  Nobody could afford to purchase, 
>>> though the neighborhood a kilometer away this house would be selling for 
>>> twice my ask.  Maybe by then inflation will be like Zimbabwe.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  > wrote:
> 
> Time always wins.. in 10 years the 30 somethings will be mid 40's and the
> bubble will have gone bust Who knows what will happen to the "city
> infrastructure" in that 10 years, with the loss of unlimited income from
> high taxes on the people who "escaped" for whatever reason...
> The high priced house they spent big money for is "post bubble" now worth
> much less, and the city they think they miss is still too high to buy
> into..
> 
> I predict some very unhappy people who slap their forehead every morning 
> in
> the mirror and say "What was I thinking?"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 That and planning boards. "Build affordable housing!" "Well don't build it 
there. We don't allow high density in that zone." even if they will let you 
build there it'll get tied up in committee for 3 years, then they'll lose all 
the paperwork so you can start over.
Of course right now you can't evict anybody, even (especially) if they don't 
pay. I feel bad for landlords right now...
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 2:59:23 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Housing prices and rents are out of sight here as well. The city's
response is mainly demands for developers to build "affordable"
housing. They are typically ignorant of the realities of economics.

Allan

Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> The inflation is coming.  In your place, I'd put a small portion of the 
> proceeds into an inflation hedge, such as precious metals (GLD is the ticket 
> symbol for an ETF that tracks the price of gold).  Land is another good hedge 
> but has more risk as external forces can play a big role.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
>
> Apr 27, 2021 9:19:53 PM Clay via Mercedes :
>
>> Just signed a listing for my humble dojo.  Realtor thinks seven figures, 
>> easy.  Older Tudor style, so you either love classic, or you are going to 
>> knock it down and build to within inches of the lot line.
>> 
>> Around me, the homes are predominantly post war suburb 50s/60s architecture 
>> on largish lots, smaller home.  Big enough lots are being divided and 
>> getting a pair of homes, or accessory units.  There is lots of growth 
>> potential in that part of the market.  Other owners are building out their 
>> existing homes to fullest size for the lots.  That will cover them for maybe 
>> the next pair of decades until they have to retire.  No idea who will be 
>> able to afford these multi-million boxes at that time.
>> 
>> Mom has made 20x on her investment in a basic box home since 1967.  I have 
>> realized 5x return in the past quarter century.  I have a hard time seeing 
>> this house offered for $5mm in 2040.  Nobody could afford to purchase, 
>> though the neighborhood a kilometer away this house would be selling for 
>> twice my ask.  Maybe by then inflation will be like Zimbabwe.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Time always wins.. in 10 years the 30 somethings will be mid 40's and the
>>> bubble will have gone bust Who knows what will happen to the "city
>>> infrastructure" in that 10 years, with the loss of unlimited income from
>>> high taxes on the people who "escaped" for whatever reason...
>>> The high priced house they spent big money for is "post bubble" now worth
>>> much less, and the city they think they miss is still too high to buy
>>> into..
>>> 
>>> I predict some very unhappy people who slap their forehead every morning in
>>> the mirror and say "What was I thinking?"
>> 
>> 
>> Clay
>> 
>> 
>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Housing prices and rents are out of sight here as well. The city's
response is mainly demands for developers to build "affordable"
housing. They are typically ignorant of the realities of economics.

Allan

Max Dillon via Mercedes  writes:

> The inflation is coming.  In your place, I'd put a small portion of the 
> proceeds into an inflation hedge, such as precious metals (GLD is the ticket 
> symbol for an ETF that tracks the price of gold).  Land is another good hedge 
> but has more risk as external forces can play a big role.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
>
> Apr 27, 2021 9:19:53 PM Clay via Mercedes :
>
>> Just signed a listing for my humble dojo.  Realtor thinks seven figures, 
>> easy.  Older Tudor style, so you either love classic, or you are going to 
>> knock it down and build to within inches of the lot line.
>> 
>> Around me, the homes are predominantly post war suburb 50s/60s architecture 
>> on largish lots, smaller home.  Big enough lots are being divided and 
>> getting a pair of homes, or accessory units.  There is lots of growth 
>> potential in that part of the market.  Other owners are building out their 
>> existing homes to fullest size for the lots.  That will cover them for maybe 
>> the next pair of decades until they have to retire.  No idea who will be 
>> able to afford these multi-million boxes at that time.
>> 
>> Mom has made 20x on her investment in a basic box home since 1967.  I have 
>> realized 5x return in the past quarter century.  I have a hard time seeing 
>> this house offered for $5mm in 2040.  Nobody could afford to purchase, 
>> though the neighborhood a kilometer away this house would be selling for 
>> twice my ask.  Maybe by then inflation will be like Zimbabwe.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Time always wins.. in 10 years the 30 somethings will be mid 40's and the
>>> bubble will have gone bust Who knows what will happen to the "city
>>> infrastructure" in that 10 years, with the loss of unlimited income from
>>> high taxes on the people who "escaped" for whatever reason...
>>> The high priced house they spent big money for is "post bubble" now worth
>>> much less, and the city they think they miss is still too high to buy
>>> into..
>>> 
>>> I predict some very unhappy people who slap their forehead every morning in
>>> the mirror and say "What was I thinking?"
>> 
>> 
>> Clay
>> 
>> 
>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Good. F that liberal shithole!.

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> On Apr 27, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Washington gained one rep and OR also grew in population.  CA lost one seat.
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:35 PM Clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Left coast is hemorrhaging people.  It is so bad the poor people of Uhaul
>> have no trailers to rent. At all.  People fled the pacific coast and went
>> inland.  Closest trailer we could find (to move #1 boy’s things out of the
>> house) is about 200 miles away from him.  So, he would need to round trip
>> from ND and load up.   I had expected to drive out in the SWMBA Toyota
>> donated to him SUV with a trailer and swap for the new to SWMBA Honda that
>> #1 boy would pick up in SD.
>> 
>> The national U-Haul estimate of maybe getting trucks and trailers coming
>> back to the coast is when midwest college kids head to Kollyfornia skoolz,
>> if they are allowing in person learning.   The fee to head east with a
>> truck is over $2k, trailer would be almost $900.  To drag a trailer out of
>> MT to SEA is running $200.
>> 
>> Fuel costs are closing in on $4/gal reg.   AK prices for fuel are in the
>> low $3.2x range.  The oil gets shipped to WA, refined, barged back north
>> and loaded into tank trucks for distribution.  Lucky for me, I am not
>> driving at all here.  Will be homeless in two weeks, rolling in cash by
>> July 4.
>> 
>> Clay
>> 
>> 
>> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> With our rental back on the market we have been flooded with people from
>> the west coast wanting to lease it. Even had offers to pay several hundred
>> above what we have it listed for. I figure with covid many companies have
>> now moved to remote and these people can still keep their jobs and move
>> anywhere where the cost of living is much cheaper. Sooner or later it’s
>> going to go way up here too because of this. That with all the money being
>> printed is going to lead high prices for everything.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 It depends on where he is willing to live, northern Maine is still quite 
affordable. There are 2x 3 unit apartment buildings by my grandmother's house 
(now owned by my aunt and uncle) for sale, combined price of less than $200,000.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 8:25:14 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Left coast is hemorrhaging people.

I noted that the U-Haul sign in downtown Spokane was trumpeting going-west 
specials.
That tells you something right there.

The blind offer letter I just got in the mail is offering me a 6x profit on my 
bare
land parcel, after 25+ years.  (Has it really been that long?)  Not gonna 
happen!
If I take their word for it, that 10 acres now would cost barely less than I 
paid
for the whole 21 acres, and the house.

My son will never be able to afford a home of his own, at this rate.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Left coast is hemorrhaging people.

I noted that the U-Haul sign in downtown Spokane was trumpeting going-west 
specials.
That tells you something right there.

The blind offer letter I just got in the mail is offering me a 6x profit on my 
bare
land parcel, after 25+ years.  (Has it really been that long?)  Not gonna 
happen!
If I take their word for it, that 10 acres now would cost barely less than I 
paid
for the whole 21 acres, and the house.

My son will never be able to afford a home of his own, at this rate.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The inflation is coming.  In your place, I'd put a small portion of the 
proceeds into an inflation hedge, such as precious metals (GLD is the ticket 
symbol for an ETF that tracks the price of gold).  Land is another good hedge 
but has more risk as external forces can play a big role.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 27, 2021 9:19:53 PM Clay via Mercedes :

> Just signed a listing for my humble dojo.  Realtor thinks seven figures, 
> easy.  Older Tudor style, so you either love classic, or you are going to 
> knock it down and build to within inches of the lot line.
> 
> Around me, the homes are predominantly post war suburb 50s/60s architecture 
> on largish lots, smaller home.  Big enough lots are being divided and getting 
> a pair of homes, or accessory units.  There is lots of growth potential in 
> that part of the market.  Other owners are building out their existing homes 
> to fullest size for the lots.  That will cover them for maybe the next pair 
> of decades until they have to retire.  No idea who will be able to afford 
> these multi-million boxes at that time.
> 
> Mom has made 20x on her investment in a basic box home since 1967.  I have 
> realized 5x return in the past quarter century.  I have a hard time seeing 
> this house offered for $5mm in 2040.  Nobody could afford to purchase, though 
> the neighborhood a kilometer away this house would be selling for twice my 
> ask.  Maybe by then inflation will be like Zimbabwe.
> 
> clay
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > > wrote:
>> 
>> Time always wins.. in 10 years the 30 somethings will be mid 40's and the
>> bubble will have gone bust Who knows what will happen to the "city
>> infrastructure" in that 10 years, with the loss of unlimited income from
>> high taxes on the people who "escaped" for whatever reason...
>> The high priced house they spent big money for is "post bubble" now worth
>> much less, and the city they think they miss is still too high to buy
>> into..
>> 
>> I predict some very unhappy people who slap their forehead every morning in
>> the mirror and say "What was I thinking?"
> 
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You’ll be able to buy a new G-wagen to slog through the GWN

--FT
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> On Apr 27, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Washington gained one rep and OR also grew in population.  CA lost one seat.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:35 PM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Left coast is hemorrhaging people.  It is so bad the poor people of Uhaul
> have no trailers to rent. At all.  People fled the pacific coast and went
> inland.  Closest trailer we could find (to move #1 boy’s things out of the
> house) is about 200 miles away from him.  So, he would need to round trip
> from ND and load up.   I had expected to drive out in the SWMBA Toyota
> donated to him SUV with a trailer and swap for the new to SWMBA Honda that
> #1 boy would pick up in SD.
>
> The national U-Haul estimate of maybe getting trucks and trailers coming
> back to the coast is when midwest college kids head to Kollyfornia skoolz,
> if they are allowing in person learning.   The fee to head east with a
> truck is over $2k, trailer would be almost $900.  To drag a trailer out of
> MT to SEA is running $200.
>
> Fuel costs are closing in on $4/gal reg.   AK prices for fuel are in the
> low $3.2x range.  The oil gets shipped to WA, refined, barged back north
> and loaded into tank trucks for distribution.  Lucky for me, I am not
> driving at all here.  Will be homeless in two weeks, rolling in cash by
> July 4.
>
> Clay
>
>
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
>
> > On Apr 25, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > With our rental back on the market we have been flooded with people from
> the west coast wanting to lease it. Even had offers to pay several hundred
> above what we have it listed for. I figure with covid many companies have
> now moved to remote and these people can still keep their jobs and move
> anywhere where the cost of living is much cheaper. Sooner or later it’s
> going to go way up here too because of this. That with all the money being
> printed is going to lead high prices for everything.
>
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

Left coast is hemorrhaging people.  It is so bad the poor people of Uhaul have 
no trailers to rent. At all.  People fled the pacific coast and went inland.  
Closest trailer we could find (to move #1 boy’s things out of the house) is 
about 200 miles away from him.  So, he would need to round trip from ND and 
load up.   I had expected to drive out in the SWMBA Toyota donated to him SUV 
with a trailer and swap for the new to SWMBA Honda that #1 boy would pick up in 
SD.

The national U-Haul estimate of maybe getting trucks and trailers coming back 
to the coast is when midwest college kids head to Kollyfornia skoolz, if they 
are allowing in person learning.   The fee to head east with a truck is over 
$2k, trailer would be almost $900.  To drag a trailer out of MT to SEA is 
running $200.  

Fuel costs are closing in on $4/gal reg.   AK prices for fuel are in the low 
$3.2x range.  The oil gets shipped to WA, refined, barged back north and loaded 
into tank trucks for distribution.  Lucky for me, I am not driving at all here. 
 Will be homeless in two weeks, rolling in cash by July 4.

Clay


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> On Apr 25, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With our rental back on the market we have been flooded with people from the 
> west coast wanting to lease it. Even had offers to pay several hundred above 
> what we have it listed for. I figure with covid many companies have now moved 
> to remote and these people can still keep their jobs and move anywhere where 
> the cost of living is much cheaper. Sooner or later it’s going to go way up 
> here too because of this. That with all the money being printed is going to 
> lead high prices for everything. 


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Clay via Mercedes]

Just signed a listing for my humble dojo.  Realtor thinks seven figures, easy.  
Older Tudor style, so you either love classic, or you are going to knock it 
down and build to within inches of the lot line.

Around me, the homes are predominantly post war suburb 50s/60s architecture on 
largish lots, smaller home.  Big enough lots are being divided and getting a 
pair of homes, or accessory units.  There is lots of growth potential in that 
part of the market.  Other owners are building out their existing homes to 
fullest size for the lots.  That will cover them for maybe the next pair of 
decades until they have to retire.  No idea who will be able to afford these 
multi-million boxes at that time.

Mom has made 20x on her investment in a basic box home since 1967.  I have 
realized 5x return in the past quarter century.  I have a hard time seeing this 
house offered for $5mm in 2040.  Nobody could afford to purchase, though the 
neighborhood a kilometer away this house would be selling for twice my ask.  
Maybe by then inflation will be like Zimbabwe.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Apr 24, 2021, at 7:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  > wrote:
> 
> Time always wins.. in 10 years the 30 somethings will be mid 40's and the
> bubble will have gone bust Who knows what will happen to the "city
> infrastructure" in that 10 years, with the loss of unlimited income from
> high taxes on the people who "escaped" for whatever reason...
> The high priced house they spent big money for is "post bubble" now worth
> much less, and the city they think they miss is still too high to buy
> into..
> 
> I predict some very unhappy people who slap their forehead every morning in
> the mirror and say "What was I thinking?"


Clay


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good point, Rick. In today’s market I would assume he could easily get much 
more than he originally expected for it. And then all the hassle of being a 
landlord goes away...

-D

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It's too bad you're unable to sell at this time.
> Good luck with your new tenants.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 25, 2021 11:53 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
> 
> We have been reviewing apps and credit reports, have showings scheduled for 
> today and tomorrow. Will have it rented by Tuesday. Old renter does not move 
> out until end of may.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> And I was in Lowe’s yesterday to get some drywall for some minor kitchen 
>> remodeling that’s going on. I needed to relocate the power from the crappy 
>> old range hood to a duplex receptacle for a microwave.
>> 
>> No two gang old work boxes.
>> 
>> No rectangular white duplex receptacles.
>> 
>> Really? I mean, this is commodity stuff. Went to my friendly Ace hardware 
>> and got them there. Sure, I paid 2x what they cost at Lowes, but at least my 
>> money is going into a neighbor’s pocket.
>> 
>> Kaleb, have you rented it? With all the activity I would think you’ve got 
>> someone in there in short order.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It's too bad you're unable to sell at this time.
Good luck with your new tenants.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 25, 2021 11:53 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

We have been reviewing apps and credit reports, have showings scheduled for 
today and tomorrow. Will have it rented by Tuesday. Old renter does not move 
out until end of may.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> And I was in Lowe’s yesterday to get some drywall for some minor kitchen 
> remodeling that’s going on. I needed to relocate the power from the crappy 
> old range hood to a duplex receptacle for a microwave.
>
> No two gang old work boxes.
>
> No rectangular white duplex receptacles.
>
> Really? I mean, this is commodity stuff. Went to my friendly Ace hardware and 
> got them there. Sure, I paid 2x what they cost at Lowes, but at least my 
> money is going into a neighbor’s pocket.
>
> Kaleb, have you rented it? With all the activity I would think you’ve got 
> someone in there in short order.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Cool! Keep us posted.

-D

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have been reviewing apps and credit reports, have showings scheduled for 
> today and tomorrow. Will have it rented by Tuesday. Old renter does not move 
> out until end of may. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And I was in Lowe’s yesterday to get some drywall for some minor kitchen 
>> remodeling that’s going on. I needed to relocate the power from the crappy 
>> old range hood to a duplex receptacle for a microwave.
>> 
>> No two gang old work boxes.
>> 
>> No rectangular white duplex receptacles.
>> 
>> Really? I mean, this is commodity stuff. Went to my friendly Ace hardware 
>> and got them there. Sure, I paid 2x what they cost at Lowes, but at least my 
>> money is going into a neighbor’s pocket.
>> 
>> Kaleb, have you rented it? With all the activity I would think you’ve got 
>> someone in there in short order.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I popped into Lowes yesterday to look for something they did not have.  
>>> They had all these displays of various tools sitting in the aisle by the 
>>> tool section.  I observed that the prices on these things were probably 
>>> 25-50% higher than a year ago. It's kinda crazy.  I guess some of it is 
>>> China tariffs or something but it is significantly noticeable.  I didn't 
>>> even want to look at the lumber aisles at the prices there.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>>> On 4/25/21 11:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> With our rental back on the market we have been flooded with people from 
>>>> the west coast wanting to lease it. Even had offers to pay several hundred 
>>>> above what we have it listed for. I figure with covid many companies have 
>>>> now moved to remote and these people can still keep their jobs and move 
>>>> anywhere where the cost of living is much cheaper. Sooner or later it’s 
>>>> going to go way up here too because of this. That with all the money being 
>>>> printed is going to lead high prices for everything.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are those who claim that a significant amount of the home being 
>>>>> purchased at present are being done so by investors. I don’t think this 
>>>>> is the case, at least not in the markets I track. In both Tampa and 
>>>>> Flagstaff it’s outsiders moving into the area from parts of the country 
>>>>> that have higher property values (New York, California), allowing them to 
>>>>> purchase at a high level and in many cases with cash.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Flagstaff would be more prone to investor owned properties as there are a 
>>>>> quite a few vacation rentals in the area because if it’s proximity to the 
>>>>> Grand Canyon and Arizona Snowbowl, but again, from what I can tell the 
>>>>> majority of single family homes are being purchased by out of state 
>>>>> individuals.
>>>>> 
>>>>> During the financial crisis there were loads of institutional investors 
>>>>> in Tampa, gobbling up pretty much anything below $300k and renting it. 
>>>>> Those properties are still rentals, but have increased in value 
>>>>> significantly. The question begs when or if the investor owned properties 
>>>>> will ever revert back to private ownership?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for 
>>>>>> these crazy prices?
>>>>>> I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going 
>>>>>> to find they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, 
>>>>>> restaurants, museums etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into 
>>>>>> the cities in 5-10 years? Well, probably never thundering, slinking 
>>>>>> maybe.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Curt
>>>>&

Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

We have been reviewing apps and credit reports, have showings scheduled for 
today and tomorrow. Will have it rented by Tuesday. Old renter does not move 
out until end of may. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And I was in Lowe’s yesterday to get some drywall for some minor kitchen 
> remodeling that’s going on. I needed to relocate the power from the crappy 
> old range hood to a duplex receptacle for a microwave.
> 
> No two gang old work boxes.
> 
> No rectangular white duplex receptacles.
> 
> Really? I mean, this is commodity stuff. Went to my friendly Ace hardware and 
> got them there. Sure, I paid 2x what they cost at Lowes, but at least my 
> money is going into a neighbor’s pocket.
> 
> Kaleb, have you rented it? With all the activity I would think you’ve got 
> someone in there in short order.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I popped into Lowes yesterday to look for something they did not have.  They 
>> had all these displays of various tools sitting in the aisle by the tool 
>> section.  I observed that the prices on these things were probably 25-50% 
>> higher than a year ago. It's kinda crazy.  I guess some of it is China 
>> tariffs or something but it is significantly noticeable.  I didn't even want 
>> to look at the lumber aisles at the prices there.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 4/25/21 11:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> With our rental back on the market we have been flooded with people from 
>>> the west coast wanting to lease it. Even had offers to pay several hundred 
>>> above what we have it listed for. I figure with covid many companies have 
>>> now moved to remote and these people can still keep their jobs and move 
>>> anywhere where the cost of living is much cheaper. Sooner or later it’s 
>>> going to go way up here too because of this. That with all the money being 
>>> printed is going to lead high prices for everything.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There are those who claim that a significant amount of the home being 
>>>> purchased at present are being done so by investors. I don’t think this is 
>>>> the case, at least not in the markets I track. In both Tampa and Flagstaff 
>>>> it’s outsiders moving into the area from parts of the country that have 
>>>> higher property values (New York, California), allowing them to purchase 
>>>> at a high level and in many cases with cash.
>>>> 
>>>> Flagstaff would be more prone to investor owned properties as there are a 
>>>> quite a few vacation rentals in the area because if it’s proximity to the 
>>>> Grand Canyon and Arizona Snowbowl, but again, from what I can tell the 
>>>> majority of single family homes are being purchased by out of state 
>>>> individuals.
>>>> 
>>>> During the financial crisis there were loads of institutional investors in 
>>>> Tampa, gobbling up pretty much anything below $300k and renting it. Those 
>>>> properties are still rentals, but have increased in value significantly. 
>>>> The question begs when or if the investor owned properties will ever 
>>>> revert back to private ownership?
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for 
>>>>> these crazy prices?
>>>>> I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going 
>>>>> to find they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, 
>>>>> restaurants, museums etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into the 
>>>>> cities in 5-10 years? Well, probably never thundering, slinking maybe.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>>  On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 9:31:54 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if 
>>>>> high inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get 
>>>>> economically crushed. At least in the l

Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And I was in Lowe’s yesterday to get some drywall for some minor kitchen 
remodeling that’s going on. I needed to relocate the power from the crappy old 
range hood to a duplex receptacle for a microwave.

No two gang old work boxes.

No rectangular white duplex receptacles.

Really? I mean, this is commodity stuff. Went to my friendly Ace hardware and 
got them there. Sure, I paid 2x what they cost at Lowes, but at least my money 
is going into a neighbor’s pocket.

Kaleb, have you rented it? With all the activity I would think you’ve got 
someone in there in short order.

-D

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I popped into Lowes yesterday to look for something they did not have.  They 
> had all these displays of various tools sitting in the aisle by the tool 
> section.  I observed that the prices on these things were probably 25-50% 
> higher than a year ago. It's kinda crazy.  I guess some of it is China 
> tariffs or something but it is significantly noticeable.  I didn't even want 
> to look at the lumber aisles at the prices there.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 4/25/21 11:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> With our rental back on the market we have been flooded with people from the 
>> west coast wanting to lease it. Even had offers to pay several hundred above 
>> what we have it listed for. I figure with covid many companies have now 
>> moved to remote and these people can still keep their jobs and move anywhere 
>> where the cost of living is much cheaper. Sooner or later it’s going to go 
>> way up here too because of this. That with all the money being printed is 
>> going to lead high prices for everything.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are those who claim that a significant amount of the home being 
>>> purchased at present are being done so by investors. I don’t think this is 
>>> the case, at least not in the markets I track. In both Tampa and Flagstaff 
>>> it’s outsiders moving into the area from parts of the country that have 
>>> higher property values (New York, California), allowing them to purchase at 
>>> a high level and in many cases with cash.
>>> 
>>> Flagstaff would be more prone to investor owned properties as there are a 
>>> quite a few vacation rentals in the area because if it’s proximity to the 
>>> Grand Canyon and Arizona Snowbowl, but again, from what I can tell the 
>>> majority of single family homes are being purchased by out of state 
>>> individuals.
>>> 
>>> During the financial crisis there were loads of institutional investors in 
>>> Tampa, gobbling up pretty much anything below $300k and renting it. Those 
>>> properties are still rentals, but have increased in value significantly. 
>>> The question begs when or if the investor owned properties will ever revert 
>>> back to private ownership?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for 
>>>> these crazy prices?
>>>> I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going to 
>>>> find they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, 
>>>> restaurants, museums etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into the 
>>>> cities in 5-10 years? Well, probably never thundering, slinking maybe.
>>>> 
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>>   On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 9:31:54 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.
>>>> 
>>>> It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if 
>>>> high inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get 
>>>> economically crushed. At least in the late seventies you could get a 
>>>> decent return on money market accounts, because interest rates were 
>>>> through the roof. Now, not so much.
>>>> 
>>>> We are living in interesting times. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a 
>>>> curse.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 
>>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Sent: April 24, 2021 8:10 PM
>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ne

Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I popped into Lowes yesterday to look for something they did not have.  
They had all these displays of various tools sitting in the aisle by the 
tool section.  I observed that the prices on these things were probably 
25-50% higher than a year ago. It's kinda crazy.  I guess some of it is 
China tariffs or something but it is significantly noticeable.  I didn't 
even want to look at the lumber aisles at the prices there.


--FT

On 4/25/21 11:45 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

With our rental back on the market we have been flooded with people from the 
west coast wanting to lease it. Even had offers to pay several hundred above 
what we have it listed for. I figure with covid many companies have now moved 
to remote and these people can still keep their jobs and move anywhere where 
the cost of living is much cheaper. Sooner or later it’s going to go way up 
here too because of this. That with all the money being printed is going to 
lead high prices for everything.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 25, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

There are those who claim that a significant amount of the home being 
purchased at present are being done so by investors. I don’t think this is the 
case, at least not in the markets I track. In both Tampa and Flagstaff it’s 
outsiders moving into the area from parts of the country that have higher 
property values (New York, California), allowing them to purchase at a high 
level and in many cases with cash.

Flagstaff would be more prone to investor owned properties as there are a quite 
a few vacation rentals in the area because if it’s proximity to the Grand 
Canyon and Arizona Snowbowl, but again, from what I can tell the majority of 
single family homes are being purchased by out of state individuals.

During the financial crisis there were loads of institutional investors in 
Tampa, gobbling up pretty much anything below $300k and renting it. Those 
properties are still rentals, but have increased in value significantly. The 
question begs when or if the investor owned properties will ever revert back to 
private ownership?

-D


On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for these 
crazy prices?
I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going to find 
they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, restaurants, museums 
etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into the cities in 5-10 years? 
Well, probably never thundering, slinking maybe.

-Curt

   On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 9:31:54 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.

It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if high 
inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get economically 
crushed. At least in the late seventies you could get a decent return on money 
market accounts, because interest rates were through the roof. Now, not so much.

We are living in interesting times. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a 
curse.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 24, 2021 8:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

Heh. If it was in Flagstaff it would be 3x more and already snapped up with 
cash by Kalifornians.

I was just looking at a 4br 2-1/2 bath 2600 sf house in Flagstaff that listed 
for $850k on Monday. Multiple full price offers, it’s now under contract at 
$900k for a cash sale. Absolutely frickin’ insane.

-D


On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a deal 
on an Amish farm:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
 
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>

For those without FB:

Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland excellent 
soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small creek. 6 
bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with concrete floor. 
Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn with cow and horse 
stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 3 bay open front 
garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. Sits quietly back on 
your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large organic gardens. Farm needs 
TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish paradise! $389,000
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

With our rental back on the market we have been flooded with people from the 
west coast wanting to lease it. Even had offers to pay several hundred above 
what we have it listed for. I figure with covid many companies have now moved 
to remote and these people can still keep their jobs and move anywhere where 
the cost of living is much cheaper. Sooner or later it’s going to go way up 
here too because of this. That with all the money being printed is going to 
lead high prices for everything. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There are those who claim that a significant amount of the home being 
> purchased at present are being done so by investors. I don’t think this is 
> the case, at least not in the markets I track. In both Tampa and Flagstaff 
> it’s outsiders moving into the area from parts of the country that have 
> higher property values (New York, California), allowing them to purchase at a 
> high level and in many cases with cash.
> 
> Flagstaff would be more prone to investor owned properties as there are a 
> quite a few vacation rentals in the area because if it’s proximity to the 
> Grand Canyon and Arizona Snowbowl, but again, from what I can tell the 
> majority of single family homes are being purchased by out of state 
> individuals.
> 
> During the financial crisis there were loads of institutional investors in 
> Tampa, gobbling up pretty much anything below $300k and renting it. Those 
> properties are still rentals, but have increased in value significantly. The 
> question begs when or if the investor owned properties will ever revert back 
> to private ownership?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for 
>> these crazy prices?
>> I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going to 
>> find they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, restaurants, 
>> museums etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into the cities in 5-10 
>> years? Well, probably never thundering, slinking maybe.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 9:31:54 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.
>> 
>> It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if 
>> high inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get 
>> economically crushed. At least in the late seventies you could get a decent 
>> return on money market accounts, because interest rates were through the 
>> roof. Now, not so much.
>> 
>> We are living in interesting times. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a 
>> curse.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: April 24, 2021 8:10 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
>> 
>> Heh. If it was in Flagstaff it would be 3x more and already snapped up with 
>> cash by Kalifornians.
>> 
>> I was just looking at a 4br 2-1/2 bath 2600 sf house in Flagstaff that 
>> listed for $850k on Monday. Multiple full price offers, it’s now under 
>> contract at $900k for a cash sale. Absolutely frickin’ insane.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>>> Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
>>> 
>>> Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a 
>>> deal on an Amish farm:
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
>>>  
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>
>>> 
>>> For those without FB:
>>> 
>>> Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland 
>>> excellent soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. 
>>> Small creek. 6 bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with 
>>> concrete floor. Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy 

Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have heard this too but not sure.  Around here it is insane. 
Apparently the rich folks have been renting long-term a lot of the 
rental props on the high-end gated resort beach lifestyle community down 
the road.  The parking lot at the shopping area is full of yankees' 
vehicles and they drive like @$$h0!e$ and are rude.  I need to get my 
place buffed a bit and take some of their money.


Yankees -- worth more than cotton and easier to pick

--FT

On 4/25/21 8:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

There are those who claim that a significant amount of the home being purchased 
at present are being done so by investors. I don’t think this is the case, at 
least not in the markets I track. In both Tampa and Flagstaff it’s outsiders 
moving into the area from parts of the country that have higher property values 
(New York, California), allowing them to purchase at a high level and in many 
cases with cash.

Flagstaff would be more prone to investor owned properties as there are a quite 
a few vacation rentals in the area because if it’s proximity to the Grand 
Canyon and Arizona Snowbowl, but again, from what I can tell the majority of 
single family homes are being purchased by out of state individuals.

During the financial crisis there were loads of institutional investors in 
Tampa, gobbling up pretty much anything below $300k and renting it. Those 
properties are still rentals, but have increased in value significantly. The 
question begs when or if the investor owned properties will ever revert back to 
private ownership?

-D


On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for these 
crazy prices?
I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going to find 
they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, restaurants, museums 
etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into the cities in 5-10 years? 
Well, probably never thundering, slinking maybe.

-Curt

On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 9:31:54 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.

It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if high 
inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get economically 
crushed. At least in the late seventies you could get a decent return on money 
market accounts, because interest rates were through the roof. Now, not so much.

We are living in interesting times. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a 
curse.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 24, 2021 8:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

Heh. If it was in Flagstaff it would be 3x more and already snapped up with 
cash by Kalifornians.

I was just looking at a 4br 2-1/2 bath 2600 sf house in Flagstaff that listed 
for $850k on Monday. Multiple full price offers, it’s now under contract at 
$900k for a cash sale. Absolutely frickin’ insane.

-D


On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a deal 
on an Amish farm:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
 
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>

For those without FB:

Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland excellent 
soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small creek. 6 
bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with concrete floor. 
Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn with cow and horse 
stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 3 bay open front 
garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. Sits quietly back on 
your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large organic gardens. Farm needs 
TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish paradise! $389,000
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are those who claim that a significant amount of the home being purchased 
at present are being done so by investors. I don’t think this is the case, at 
least not in the markets I track. In both Tampa and Flagstaff it’s outsiders 
moving into the area from parts of the country that have higher property values 
(New York, California), allowing them to purchase at a high level and in many 
cases with cash.

Flagstaff would be more prone to investor owned properties as there are a quite 
a few vacation rentals in the area because if it’s proximity to the Grand 
Canyon and Arizona Snowbowl, but again, from what I can tell the majority of 
single family homes are being purchased by out of state individuals.

During the financial crisis there were loads of institutional investors in 
Tampa, gobbling up pretty much anything below $300k and renting it. Those 
properties are still rentals, but have increased in value significantly. The 
question begs when or if the investor owned properties will ever revert back to 
private ownership?

-D

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for these 
> crazy prices?
> I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going to 
> find they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, restaurants, 
> museums etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into the cities in 5-10 
> years? Well, probably never thundering, slinking maybe.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 9:31:54 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.
> 
> It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if high 
> inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get economically 
> crushed. At least in the late seventies you could get a decent return on 
> money market accounts, because interest rates were through the roof. Now, not 
> so much.
> 
> We are living in interesting times. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a 
> curse.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 24, 2021 8:10 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
> 
> Heh. If it was in Flagstaff it would be 3x more and already snapped up with 
> cash by Kalifornians.
> 
> I was just looking at a 4br 2-1/2 bath 2600 sf house in Flagstaff that listed 
> for $850k on Monday. Multiple full price offers, it’s now under contract at 
> $900k for a cash sale. Absolutely frickin’ insane.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
>> 
>> Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a 
>> deal on an Amish farm:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
>>  
>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>
>> 
>> For those without FB:
>> 
>> Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland 
>> excellent soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small 
>> creek. 6 bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with 
>> concrete floor. Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn 
>> with cow and horse stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 
>> 3 bay open front garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. 
>> Sits quietly back on your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large 
>> organic gardens. Farm needs TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish 
>> paradise! $389,000
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> and the city they think they miss is still too high to buy into..

Or the city they think they miss is gone in one fashion or another. Kind of 
like missing Mayberry. The Mayberry towns of the '50s and '60s are pretty much 
gone. I know of one or two still around, but it's not "Anytown USA" like it was.


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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Time always wins.. in 10 years the 30 somethings will be mid 40's and the
bubble will have gone bust Who knows what will happen to the "city
infrastructure" in that 10 years, with the loss of unlimited income from
high taxes on the people who "escaped" for whatever reason...
The high priced house they spent big money for is "post bubble" now worth
much less, and the city they think they miss is still too high to buy
into..

I predict some very unhappy people who slap their forehead every morning in
the mirror and say "What was I thinking?"

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 7:05 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for
> these crazy prices?
> I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going to
> find they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, restaurants,
> museums etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into the cities in 5-10
> years? Well, probably never thundering, slinking maybe.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 9:31:54 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.
>
> It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if
> high inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get
> economically crushed. At least in the late seventies you could get a decent
> return on money market accounts, because interest rates were through the
> roof. Now, not so much.
>
> We are living in interesting times. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a
> curse.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 24, 2021 8:10 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
>
> Heh. If it was in Flagstaff it would be 3x more and already snapped up
> with cash by Kalifornians.
>
> I was just looking at a 4br 2-1/2 bath 2600 sf house in Flagstaff that
> listed for $850k on Monday. Multiple full price offers, it’s now under
> contract at $900k for a cash sale. Absolutely frickin’ insane.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: d...@penoff.com
> > Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
> >
> > Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a
> deal on an Amish farm:
> >
> >
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
> <
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
> >
> >
> > For those without FB:
> >
> > Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland
> excellent soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond.
> Small creek. 6 bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with
> concrete floor. Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn
> with cow and horse stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed .
> 3 bay open front garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work.
> Sits quietly back on your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large
> organic gardens. Farm needs TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish
> paradise! $389,000
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I can't believe this isn't a bubble, where does the money come from for these 
crazy prices?
I also wonder if a lot of the people moving out of the cities are going to find 
they don't actually like living in the burbs. No theater, restaurants, museums 
etc. Will we see a thundering movement back into the cities in 5-10 years? 
Well, probably never thundering, slinking maybe.

-Curt

On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 9:31:54 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.

It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if high 
inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get economically 
crushed. At least in the late seventies you could get a decent return on money 
market accounts, because interest rates were through the roof. Now, not so much.

We are living in interesting times. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a 
curse.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 24, 2021 8:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

Heh. If it was in Flagstaff it would be 3x more and already snapped up with 
cash by Kalifornians.

I was just looking at a 4br 2-1/2 bath 2600 sf house in Flagstaff that listed 
for $850k on Monday. Multiple full price offers, it’s now under contract at 
$900k for a cash sale. Absolutely frickin’ insane.

-D

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
>
> Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a deal 
> on an Amish farm:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
>  
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>
>
> For those without FB:
>
> Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland 
> excellent soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small 
> creek. 6 bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with concrete 
> floor. Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn with cow 
> and horse stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 3 bay open 
> front garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. Sits quietly 
> back on your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large organic gardens. 
> Farm needs TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish paradise! $389,000
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Screw that. A cool million for 2600 sf? Uh, no.

It will be interesting to see if this is another 2007-2008 bubble, or if high 
inflation is here to stay. Fixed income folks are about to get economically 
crushed. At least in the late seventies you could get a decent return on money 
market accounts, because interest rates were through the roof. Now, not so much.

We are living in interesting times. I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a 
curse.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 24, 2021 8:10 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

Heh. If it was in Flagstaff it would be 3x more and already snapped up with 
cash by Kalifornians.

I was just looking at a 4br 2-1/2 bath 2600 sf house in Flagstaff that listed 
for $850k on Monday. Multiple full price offers, it’s now under contract at 
$900k for a cash sale. Absolutely frickin’ insane.

-D

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
>
> Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a deal 
> on an Amish farm:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
>  
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>
>
> For those without FB:
>
> Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland 
> excellent soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small 
> creek. 6 bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with concrete 
> floor. Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn with cow 
> and horse stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 3 bay open 
> front garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. Sits quietly 
> back on your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large organic gardens. 
> Farm needs TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish paradise! $389,000
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heh. If it was in Flagstaff it would be 3x more and already snapped up with 
cash by Kalifornians.

I was just looking at a 4br 2-1/2 bath 2600 sf house in Flagstaff that listed 
for $850k on Monday. Multiple full price offers, it’s now under contract at 
$900k for a cash sale. Absolutely frickin’ insane.

-D

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres
> 
> Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a deal 
> on an Amish farm:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
>  
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>
> 
> For those without FB:
> 
> Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland 
> excellent soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small 
> creek. 6 bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with concrete 
> floor. Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn with cow 
> and horse stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 3 bay open 
> front garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. Sits quietly 
> back on your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large organic gardens. 
> Farm needs TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish paradise! $389,000
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Or for you, too bad it's not in Arizona, by Flagstaff.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a deal 
on an Amish farm:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
 
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>

For those without FB:

Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland excellent 
soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small creek. 6 
bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with concrete floor. 
Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn with cow and horse 
stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 3 bay open front 
garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. Sits quietly back on 
your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large organic gardens. Farm needs 
TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish paradise! $389,000
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Too bad it's not in Tennessee.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 24, 2021 7:56 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: d...@penoff.com
Subject: [MBZ] New Okie Acres

Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a deal 
on an Amish farm:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
 
<https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759>

For those without FB:

Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland excellent 
soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small creek. 6 
bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with concrete floor. 
Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn with cow and horse 
stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 3 bay open front 
garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. Sits quietly back on 
your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large organic gardens. Farm needs 
TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish paradise! $389,000
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Kaleb needs to move to WI and establish an Okie Acres up there. Here’s a deal 
on an Amish farm:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4CORNERSREALESTATE/permalink/3816389021807759/?sale_post_id=3816389021807759
 


For those without FB:

Athens, Wisconsin Marathon Co. 100 Acre Amish Farm. 60 acres farmland excellent 
soil. 20 acres woods 20 acres pasture with fencing and pond. Small creek. 6 
bedroom Amish built house attached garage/canning room with concrete floor. 
Full basement walk in attic. House needs work . Dairy Barn with cow and horse 
stalls. Milk room , calf pens. 2 silos. Machinery shed . 3 bay open front 
garage/buggy shed. All buildings need fair amount of work. Sits quietly back on 
your own private lane overlooking the creek. Large organic gardens. Farm needs 
TLC but tons of potential. Off grid Amish paradise! $389,000
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[MBZ] New Okie acres

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If you happen to see a movie called Possums on Netflix of wherever it was 100% 
filmed on location right here in new Okie acre land. It's a low budget movie 
but it's actually pretty good. 

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie acres

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

 Possums (1998) - IMDb http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/

www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/
Internet Movie Database
Rating: 5.6/10 - ‎233 votes
/Possums/ (1998) Poster ... /Possums/ -- A feel good story about a team 
facing an impossible task with an /Possums/ -- A feel . This /movie/ 
sucked · johnson-wp.
‎Full Cast  Crew http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/fullcredits/ 
- ‎Trivia http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/trivia - ‎Awards 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/awards - ‎Parents Guide 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145404/parentalguide


--R

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If you happen to see a movie called Possums on Netflix of wherever it was 100% 
filmed on location right here in new Okie acre land. It's a low budget movie 
but it's actually pretty good.

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[MBZ] New Okie acres

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

For those following, the deal is signed on the new Okie acres. Massive car and 
part moving to begin. I have parts ready to ship to a couple of people so 
please stand by.

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Re: [MBZ] New Okie acres

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well Okie acres 1 is certainly well visible from satellite.

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 On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Wagons Ho!
 
 I'll contact the proper authorities so the satellites can be retasked to get 
 pictures.
 
 Dan
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 For those following, the deal is signed on the new Okie acres. Massive car 
 and part moving to begin. I have parts ready to ship to a couple of people 
 so please stand by.
 
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie acres

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is it too late to put in a parts request?

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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie acres

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Sure, or come on down for free or cheap parts

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 Is it too late to put in a parts request?
 
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Re: [MBZ] New Okie acres

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 20:12:08 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Sure, or come on down for free or cheap parts

I presume your mention of, I have parts ready to ship to a couple of
people so please stand by, includes the parts I requested be sent to
me.

What about the fender and other things we said I would pick up on our way
to Indiana? (We still don't have a contract on our house.)

How soon do you need to clear out Okie Acres 1 and have everything sold
or moved to Okie Acres 2?


Craig

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