Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer
Allan, But it's your choice to fiddle or not to fiddle. Simply choose an environment you think looks nice and off you go. You'll fiddle a LOT more with MS than you do with Linux. Seems like I was always chasing some nonsense in Windows and haven't had to do that with Linux...not since cresting the minor learning curve. It doesn't take long to adjust and then you wonder why you bothered with MS in the first place! You could sit anyone down at a Linux desktop and they'd find their way around immediately and never look back. It's mostly fear of the unknown. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Boot in Linux, it won't abide by the Winderz permissions. Luther On Mon, 05 May 2008 21:02:22 -0500, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you can copy stuff over with a few exceptions. Both Vista and XP work with NTFS and Fat filesystems. If you get permission errors, you can try booting from a BartPE CD. That gives you access to the filesystem without Windows trying to enforce any security constraints. http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ -Dave Walton -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All macs have been 64 bit since when? The first Macintosh with 64 bit processor was the Power Mac G5 released in June of 2003, oddly enough the first x86 64 bit mainstream processor, the AMD64 Opteron, was also released in 2003, April 2003. The Power Mac G4 with AltiVec Velocity Engine claimed to be 64 bit, but in reality ran dual channel 32 bit processes. However, Leopard is the first Mac OS to be fully 64 bit aware. All before Leopard have only had 64 bit areas that allowed certain apps, but not others, to run at a 64 bit level. Some people who know the inner workings better than I are saying that even Leopard isn't 100% 64 Bit, and in reality it can't be if it is able to run on a 32 bit G4 processor. The reason it is odd that both Apple and the Wintel world introduced 64 bit processors in 2003 is because the first 64 bit processor was IBM 7030 Mainframe, released in 1961. So it took 4 decades for the tech to trickle down to the home user. That is an eternity in computer years, and only took so long due to the software devs, not the hardware people in my opinion. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason it is odd that both Apple and the Wintel world introduced 64 bit processors in 2003 is because the first 64 bit processor was IBM 7030 Mainframe, released in 1961. So it took 4 decades for the tech to trickle down to the home user. That is an eternity in computer years, and only took so long due to the software devs, not the hardware people in my opinion. I should qualify that statement and say that the IBM 7030 performed 64 bit processing it wasn't a single 64 bit processor. Sorry about that. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 6 May 2008 09:04:44 -0400 dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no doubt that Linux/Unix will win in the long run. See picture attached. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: LWDW.1600x1200.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 522756 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080506/3650d1ef/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KDE and Gnome are desktop environments. Fluxbox, Blackbox, IceWM, Ion, AfterStep, Openbox, Flwm, Metacity Twm, Wmii2, Pekwm, lwm, Sawfish, and many others are just window managers. And any of them can be run inside one of the desktop environments. While flexibility is nice, this is one of the reasons why Linux has trouble outside the techno/geek crowd: more choices than people without a computer background want to deal with. Most people just want an appliance that they turn on and use and don't have any desire to fiddle with for hours a day. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The reason it is odd that both Apple and the Wintel world introduced 64 bit processors in 2003 is because the first 64 bit processor was IBM 7030 Mainframe, released in 1961. So it took 4 decades for the tech to trickle down to the home user. There is more than one way to measure 'size', and data path width is _not_ the issue. It's the address path width that is what is meant by 64-bits, and because the changes to programs to support this are so pervasive that is why it's not just a simple switch. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT, replace computer
Thanks Rich, I'll see what is available locally/cheaply... Message: 5 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 16:13:51 -0500 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You can buy Acer laptops pretty cheap, they are quite decent machines for the price. --R -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3405 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080506/e26a8f25/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You've haven't used a Unix-like OS lately have you? Mepis 6 is faster on my P4 2.4Ghz than Mepis 3.4 was. Mac OS 10.3 was MUCH faster on all versions of Mac hardware than 10.2 was. Microsoft's Windows 7 that is currently in development is purported to have a kernal the size of Windows 98 which would make it much faster than XP and much MUCH faster than Vista. From what my spies tell me Microsoft understands at least on some level, what they've done wrong with Vista and the next version should be much better. There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older hardware crowd... It truely is a great time to have an old computer. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I have to take issue with anyone that expects new versions of Operating Systems to be faster than the old versions. That has not been true since the 1960's and anyone with experience in this business knows that and knows why. Software that does more requires more machine cycles. The rare instance where something actually is quicker is is *almost* always due to hardware advancement or a bug fix. -Dave Walton - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older hardware crowd... It truely is a great time to have an old computer. True! Antix Linux may have a few warts, but I can get it to run on damn near anything. Antix 6.5 even runs on old AMD K6s. I have a project that I have (with friends) been doing for about a year now, where we accept donations of old computers from schools and businesses, wipe the hard drives, swap parts as needed, load Linux and give them out to the community free of charge. Antix and Mepis are my distros of choice for this. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can't argue with that logic - an operating system that does less and has been purposefully stripped down should be faster. If not, we are all in trouble. It is unfortunate that Microsoft and Apple have taken an approach with it's OS that does not lend itself to that flexibility. In the case of Apple, it probably does, but they do not provide the tools for anyone else to screw with it. Microsoft is just a clusterfugk waiting to collapse under its own weight. I have no doubt that Linux/Unix will win in the long run. -Dave Walton On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've haven't used a Unix-like OS lately have you? Mepis 6 is faster on my P4 2.4Ghz than Mepis 3.4 was. Mac OS 10.3 was MUCH faster on all versions of Mac hardware than 10.2 was. Microsoft's Windows 7 that is currently in development is purported to have a kernal the size of Windows 98 which would make it much faster than XP and much MUCH faster than Vista. From what my spies tell me Microsoft understands at least on some level, what they've done wrong with Vista and the next version should be much better. There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older hardware crowd... It truely is a great time to have an old computer. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I have to take issue with anyone that expects new versions of Operating Systems to be faster than the old versions. That has not been true since the 1960's and anyone with experience in this business knows that and knows why. Software that does more requires more machine cycles. The rare instance where something actually is quicker is is *almost* always due to hardware advancement or a bug fix. -Dave Walton - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'd have to agree here. the only reason to run windoze is if you use applications that cannot run on linux or an emulation, like stupid effin foreign soccer games running on hack feeds forcing me to reload xp on my machine for this trip. ubuntu is a much happier and simpler to use os than xp and doesn't cost a dime for either the os nor for nearly all of the software you can possibly want. the level of support is huge. if you are scared to go linux because you have visions of sexton desperately typing code trying to make bsd do something right, you are way behind the times. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regina would very easily get used to a good Linux distro, especially by using Sylpheed as an email client. 2 gigs of RAM minimum for Vista is a cruel joke! Keep the XP installed. Crop out all the crap they preload to help you. Then get PCLinuxOS or Ubunutu. I prefer PCLOS as it's not as bloaty as Ubunutu. To befair, Ubunutu sells itself as a Windoze replacement and it is very similarexcept that it works right out of the box. The reason for keeping XP in the beginning anyway, is just in case you need an MS driver for a peripheral that isn't readily available in Linux land. Happens sometimes...usually on cheaper machines that have bespoke hardware to save money. You then point the Linux hardware manager to the windows driver and all is fine. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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among certain groups like us, linux will be a force. typical users, however, will just live with whatever windoze they get with their machine, same as it has always been. i kinda think linux will hurt apple proportionately more than microsoft On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:04 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't argue with that logic - an operating system that does less and has been purposefully stripped down should be faster. If not, we are all in trouble. It is unfortunate that Microsoft and Apple have taken an approach with it's OS that does not lend itself to that flexibility. In the case of Apple, it probably does, but they do not provide the tools for anyone else to screw with it. Microsoft is just a clusterfugk waiting to collapse under its own weight. I have no doubt that Linux/Unix will win in the long run. -Dave Walton On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've haven't used a Unix-like OS lately have you? Mepis 6 is faster on my P4 2.4Ghz than Mepis 3.4 was. Mac OS 10.3 was MUCH faster on all versions of Mac hardware than 10.2 was. Microsoft's Windows 7 that is currently in development is purported to have a kernal the size of Windows 98 which would make it much faster than XP and much MUCH faster than Vista. From what my spies tell me Microsoft understands at least on some level, what they've done wrong with Vista and the next version should be much better. There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older hardware crowd... It truely is a great time to have an old computer. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I have to take issue with anyone that expects new versions of Operating Systems to be faster than the old versions. That has not been true since the 1960's and anyone with experience in this business knows that and knows why. Software that does more requires more machine cycles. The rare instance where something actually is quicker is is *almost* always due to hardware advancement or a bug fix. -Dave Walton - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have bought two from newegg.com, they have excellent service and good prices. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 wrote: Thanks Rich, I'll see what is available locally/cheaply... Message: 5 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 16:13:51 -0500 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed You can buy Acer laptops pretty cheap, they are quite decent machines for the price. --R -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3405 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080506/e26a8f25/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The one place Linux is really hurting Microsoft now is in the Server room. I am also seeing more copies of Open Office on windows desktops. Especially just before a software audit :-) -Dave Walton On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: among certain groups like us, linux will be a force. typical users, however, will just live with whatever windoze they get with their machine, same as it has always been. i kinda think linux will hurt apple proportionately more than microsoft On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:04 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't argue with that logic - an operating system that does less and has been purposefully stripped down should be faster. If not, we are all in trouble. It is unfortunate that Microsoft and Apple have taken an approach with it's OS that does not lend itself to that flexibility. In the case of Apple, it probably does, but they do not provide the tools for anyone else to screw with it. Microsoft is just a clusterfugk waiting to collapse under its own weight. I have no doubt that Linux/Unix will win in the long run. -Dave Walton On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've haven't used a Unix-like OS lately have you? Mepis 6 is faster on my P4 2.4Ghz than Mepis 3.4 was. Mac OS 10.3 was MUCH faster on all versions of Mac hardware than 10.2 was. Microsoft's Windows 7 that is currently in development is purported to have a kernal the size of Windows 98 which would make it much faster than XP and much MUCH faster than Vista. From what my spies tell me Microsoft understands at least on some level, what they've done wrong with Vista and the next version should be much better. There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older hardware crowd... It truely is a great time to have an old computer. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I have to take issue with anyone that expects new versions of Operating Systems to be faster than the old versions. That has not been true since the 1960's and anyone with experience in this business knows that and knows why. Software that does more requires more machine cycles. The rare instance where something actually is quicker is is *almost* always due to hardware advancement or a bug fix. -Dave Walton - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks John, very helpful. /s/Max -- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:27:00 -0500 From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed archer wrote: What's the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? Linux is able to have multiple window managers. Kubuntu uses the KDE window manager whereas Ubuntu uses Gnome. Each window manager provides the way you interface with your computer... its best seen with screenshots... KDE: http://kde.org/screenshots/kde350shots.php https://webmail.nmci.navy.mil/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://kde.org/screenshots/kde350shots.php GNOME: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/screenshots.html https://webmail.nmci.navy.mil/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/screenshots.html http://www.lynucs.org/?gnome https://webmail.nmci.navy.mil/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.lynucs.org/?gnome Did that help any? John -- -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4057 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080506/420fb2dc/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yup, i don't know nothin about birthing babies, nor about corporate life. i haven't worked for a corporation in 20 years and don't remember much from back then other than the endless meetings that largely existed as an excuse for catering. in fact, we didn't even have MS, but a xerox star system. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:31 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one place Linux is really hurting Microsoft now is in the Server room. I am also seeing more copies of Open Office on windows desktops. Especially just before a software audit :-) -Dave Walton On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: among certain groups like us, linux will be a force. typical users, however, will just live with whatever windoze they get with their machine, same as it has always been. i kinda think linux will hurt apple proportionately more than microsoft On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:04 AM, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't argue with that logic - an operating system that does less and has been purposefully stripped down should be faster. If not, we are all in trouble. It is unfortunate that Microsoft and Apple have taken an approach with it's OS that does not lend itself to that flexibility. In the case of Apple, it probably does, but they do not provide the tools for anyone else to screw with it. Microsoft is just a clusterfugk waiting to collapse under its own weight. I have no doubt that Linux/Unix will win in the long run. -Dave Walton On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've haven't used a Unix-like OS lately have you? Mepis 6 is faster on my P4 2.4Ghz than Mepis 3.4 was. Mac OS 10.3 was MUCH faster on all versions of Mac hardware than 10.2 was. Microsoft's Windows 7 that is currently in development is purported to have a kernal the size of Windows 98 which would make it much faster than XP and much MUCH faster than Vista. From what my spies tell me Microsoft understands at least on some level, what they've done wrong with Vista and the next version should be much better. There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older hardware crowd... It truely is a great time to have an old computer. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400 From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I have to take issue with anyone that expects new versions of Operating Systems to be faster than the old versions. That has not been true since the 1960's and anyone with experience in this business knows that and knows why. Software that does more requires more machine cycles. The rare instance where something actually is quicker is is *almost* always due to hardware advancement or a bug fix. -Dave Walton - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Microsoft's Windows 7 that is currently in development is purported to have a kernal the size of Windows 98 which would make it much faster than XP and much MUCH faster than Vista. The kernel is not, and never has been, Microsquish's big problem. It's that mega-crap layer that sits on top of it. Also, the size of the software doesn't determine how fast it is, though unless carefully done a large pile of software can end up architected badly such that it can't help but perform badly too. Consider the lowly bubble sort. Very small and tidy. Also just about the worst sort known to man, unless code size is everything and performance is not an issue at all. (And there _are_ places where this holds.) The MAJOR problem with most software these days, IMHO, is that everything polls everything for every purpose. (Search for this, search for that, examine this directory for modules, examine those files for viruses, etc.) All the time. As opposed to being more event-driven, where only things that _can_ cause changes trigger other actions. There are layers upon layers of this kind of thing, and it's crippling. All the way down into the OS kernel itself, such as the wretched select() call and its ilk. (Horrible, horrible design, courtesy of a bunch of CS201 students at Berkeley.) The raw hardware speed of modern computers is impressive. Look at how it can run full-screen animated games. Then take a look at how long it takes to open a spreadsheet. WTF? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: Then take a look at how long it takes to open a spreadsheet. WTF? Have you used Office 2007? Took the nice *quick* Office 2003 apps that everyone was familiar with, and re-wrote the interface from SCRATCH. They also made it slower. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:52 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you used Office 2007? Took the nice *quick* Office 2003 apps that everyone was familiar with, and re-wrote the interface from SCRATCH. They also made it slower. Scott McNealy (CEO of Sun) said something to the effect that American industry would be twice as productive if it weren't for Microsoft Office. The first thing I thought when I saw the new improved Office 2007 user interface was that MS was actively working to prove his point... Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is unfortunate that Microsoft and Apple have taken an approach with it's OS that does not lend itself to that flexibility. In the case of Apple, it probably does, but they do not provide the tools for anyone else to screw with it. You can get the core of the Mac OS, named Darwin, which is open source, and tweak/tune it to your hearts content -- but it does not include the Aqua user interface layer. It's basically BSD though, and I think if you want to run BSD and not have Apple's pretty graphic layer, you'd just use one of the more mainstream BSD distros: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, PC-BSD. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if you are scared to go linux because you have visions of sexton desperately typing code trying to make bsd do something right, you are way behind the times. The problems with mbz.org had nothing to do with BSD. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There's more than just KDE/Gnome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager Also, there is Fluxbox or IceWM and probably more... -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: archer wrote: What's the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? Linux is able to have multiple window managers. Kubuntu uses the KDE window manager whereas Ubuntu uses Gnome. Each window manager provides the way you interface with your computer... its best seen with screenshots... KDE: http://kde.org/screenshots/kde350shots.php GNOME: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/screenshots.html http://www.lynucs.org/?gnome Did that help any? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It seems than at Tue, 06 May 2008 22:43:21 -0500, Luther wrote: There's more than just KDE/Gnome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager Also, there is Fluxbox or IceWM and probably more... KDE and Gnome are desktop environments. Fluxbox, Blackbox, IceWM, Ion, AfterStep, Openbox, Flwm, Metacity Twm, Wmii2, Pekwm, lwm, Sawfish, and many others are just window managers. And any of them can be run inside one of the desktop environments. The only other desktop environment I'm aware of is XFCE4. It's a lot lighter, but less fancy, than KDE or Gnome. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT, replace computer
So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD-Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On second thought, since your current box is so old, I'd recommend just getting a new PC. As you note, there are lots of low cost boxes available. They may not be the latest technology (so what!) but they are a quantum leap from what you have now and will fix your problem fast and for sure. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 13:27 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT, replace computer So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD -Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yea, thats kind of what Im thinking. I could spend $100 or so on a new hard drive, or spend 3-400 on a whole new deal and wipe the old box, start it over and use it for a 2nd machine. On second thought, since your current box is so old, I'd recommend just getting a new PC. As you note, there are lots of low cost boxes available. They may not be the latest technology (so what!) but they are a quantum leap from what you have now and will fix your problem fast and for sure. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 13:27 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT, replace computer So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD -Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Microcenter and Fry's have some cheap mobo/processor combos, then get some memory, and you can use your older stuff with a new faster board. You might need a new video card too, the new boards are all PCI-E, and that might demand a more powerful power supply. But you can kind of sneak up on stuff if you want to fool around with it. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, thats kind of what Im thinking. I could spend $100 or so on a new hard drive, or spend 3-400 on a whole new deal and wipe the old box, start it over and use it for a 2nd machine. On second thought, since your current box is so old, I'd recommend just getting a new PC. As you note, there are lots of low cost boxes available. They may not be the latest technology (so what!) but they are a quantum leap from what you have now and will fix your problem fast and for sure. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 13:27 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT, replace computer So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD -Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You need a SATA controller to use SATA drives. All the current machines that have SATA also have an ATA or IDE connector on the motherboard for use with cd drives. That will allow you to connect your old disk to copy stuff over. Any current machine you buy will be 64 bit. You might as well load an x64 version of windows since Microsoft has yet to come out with any upgrade path from x86 to x64. Soon, you will only be able to get x64 versions of Windows. Neither Intel or AMD are making any more x86 CPU's - except for specialty dedicated controllers. As a side note, Small Business Server 2008 will be released only as an x64 version (Exchange 2007 is x64 only). Anyone running SBS now will need to do a complete reinstall to move to SBS2008. There is no upgrade. They bumped the Premium version of SBS2008 to run on 2 servers and are coming out with a new product called EBS2008 (Essential Business Server) that will run on 3 (standard) or 4 (premium) servers. The only drawback I see on that eMachine is a limit of 2-gig of ram. These days, that's not much and may not be enough to run the next version of Windows. Personally, I'd go with an Asus M2A-VM and an athlon x2 6400 dual-core cpu. They are dirt cheap now. That will play HD and Blu-ray on you nice TV. The motherboard comes with an OEM version of CyberLink. You need that to play high def and costs more than the motherboard is selling for now. -Dave Walton On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD-Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT, replace computer
My guess is that Kaleb's NIC (network interface card) is bad (assuming he's on DSL or cable and not dial-up, in which case I would say his modem may be bad). To test, if you are on DSL/Cable or some other broadband (i.e. the first cable leaving your computer to the outside world is a CAT 5e 'ethernet' cable) and you have modem and account for dial-up, try that method, and if IE or whatever internet browser you have works, you've found the problem. I am considering purchasing a cheap laptop to use while traveling, and I'm intrigued with the idea of using Linux or some other operating system (while on the road I'll have time to learn/play). How/where does one start? Assume I only know anything about MS and I've never formatted a disc and loaded ANY new operating system... [Wonko, I still have that box of SW you sent me years ago, gathering dust on my home office desk, anything in there still current and worth holding onto?] Very respectfully, /s/ Meade M. Dillon Digest Lurker '87 300TD 308k miles PS apologies for the italics, stupid 'webmail' won't let me change the font back to normal... -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4529 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080505/c8374915/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can buy Acer laptops pretty cheap, they are quite decent machines for the price. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 wrote: My guess is that Kaleb's NIC (network interface card) is bad (assuming he's on DSL or cable and not dial-up, in which case I would say his modem may be bad). To test, if you are on DSL/Cable or some other broadband (i.e. the first cable leaving your computer to the outside world is a CAT 5e 'ethernet' cable) and you have modem and account for dial-up, try that method, and if IE or whatever internet browser you have works, you've found the problem. I am considering purchasing a cheap laptop to use while traveling, and I'm intrigued with the idea of using Linux or some other operating system (while on the road I'll have time to learn/play). How/where does one start? Assume I only know anything about MS and I've never formatted a disc and loaded ANY new operating system... [Wonko, I still have that box of SW you sent me years ago, gathering dust on my home office desk, anything in there still current and worth holding onto?] Very respectfully, /s/ Meade M. Dillon Digest Lurker '87 300TD 308k miles PS apologies for the italics, stupid 'webmail' won't let me change the font back to normal... -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4529 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080505/c8374915/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You missed the part about him pulling up Ebay and being sent to phishing sites. Kubuntu is plug and play, requiring fewer steps to install (like silly registration codes) than windows. You can download the cd @ kubuntu.org. The interface is pretty similar. The only real trick is learning the package system that is used for installing new applications (like openoffice). It is pretty straight forward but knowing what you want to install is the trick. The real secret is learning to use your online help resources, the web and IRC. You get LOADS of free support on the forums and on IRC. More and better support than M$ will ever offer, free or otherwise. There is a whole world out there ready to be learned. -Rolf Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 wrote: My guess is that Kaleb's NIC (network interface card) is bad (assuming he's on DSL or cable and not dial-up, in which case I would say his modem may be bad). To test, if you are on DSL/Cable or some other broadband (i.e. the first cable leaving your computer to the outside world is a CAT 5e 'ethernet' cable) and you have modem and account for dial-up, try that method, and if IE or whatever internet browser you have works, you've found the problem. I am considering purchasing a cheap laptop to use while traveling, and I'm intrigued with the idea of using Linux or some other operating system (while on the road I'll have time to learn/play). How/where does one start? Assume I only know anything about MS and I've never formatted a disc and loaded ANY new operating system... [Wonko, I still have that box of SW you sent me years ago, gathering dust on my home office desk, anything in there still current and worth holding onto?] Very respectfully, /s/ Meade M. Dillon Digest Lurker '87 300TD 308k miles PS apologies for the italics, stupid 'webmail' won't let me change the font back to normal... -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4529 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080505/c8374915/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ya I agree. These days unless you are gaming or making media, laptops are pretty much the way to go. Price wise they aren't far off and you can beat doing work from a hammock. -Rolf Rich Thomas wrote: You can buy Acer laptops pretty cheap, they are quite decent machines for the price. --R Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 wrote: My guess is that Kaleb's NIC (network interface card) is bad (assuming he's on DSL or cable and not dial-up, in which case I would say his modem may be bad). To test, if you are on DSL/Cable or some other broadband (i.e. the first cable leaving your computer to the outside world is a CAT 5e 'ethernet' cable) and you have modem and account for dial-up, try that method, and if IE or whatever internet browser you have works, you've found the problem. I am considering purchasing a cheap laptop to use while traveling, and I'm intrigued with the idea of using Linux or some other operating system (while on the road I'll have time to learn/play). How/where does one start? Assume I only know anything about MS and I've never formatted a disc and loaded ANY new operating system... [Wonko, I still have that box of SW you sent me years ago, gathering dust on my home office desk, anything in there still current and worth holding onto?] Very respectfully, /s/ Meade M. Dillon Digest Lurker '87 300TD 308k miles PS apologies for the italics, stupid 'webmail' won't let me change the font back to normal... -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4529 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080505/c8374915/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I went ahead about bought that $399 e machine with the dual core AMD etc. Now, should I just wipe everything out and install XP, or keep Vista? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer Microcenter and Fry's have some cheap mobo/processor combos, then get some memory, and you can use your older stuff with a new faster board. You might need a new video card too, the new boards are all PCI-E, and that might demand a more powerful power supply. But you can kind of sneak up on stuff if you want to fool around with it. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, thats kind of what Im thinking. I could spend $100 or so on a new hard drive, or spend 3-400 on a whole new deal and wipe the old box, start it over and use it for a 2nd machine. On second thought, since your current box is so old, I'd recommend just getting a new PC. As you note, there are lots of low cost boxes available. They may not be the latest technology (so what!) but they are a quantum leap from what you have now and will fix your problem fast and for sure. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 13:27 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT, replace computer So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD -Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is XP 64 bit or what? Or is just vista 64 bit? What are the advantages? I am way behind the times. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer You need a SATA controller to use SATA drives. All the current machines that have SATA also have an ATA or IDE connector on the motherboard for use with cd drives. That will allow you to connect your old disk to copy stuff over. Any current machine you buy will be 64 bit. You might as well load an x64 version of windows since Microsoft has yet to come out with any upgrade path from x86 to x64. Soon, you will only be able to get x64 versions of Windows. Neither Intel or AMD are making any more x86 CPU's - except for specialty dedicated controllers. As a side note, Small Business Server 2008 will be released only as an x64 version (Exchange 2007 is x64 only). Anyone running SBS now will need to do a complete reinstall to move to SBS2008. There is no upgrade. They bumped the Premium version of SBS2008 to run on 2 servers and are coming out with a new product called EBS2008 (Essential Business Server) that will run on 3 (standard) or 4 (premium) servers. The only drawback I see on that eMachine is a limit of 2-gig of ram. These days, that's not much and may not be enough to run the next version of Windows. Personally, I'd go with an Asus M2A-VM and an athlon x2 6400 dual-core cpu. They are dirt cheap now. That will play HD and Blu-ray on you nice TV. The motherboard comes with an OEM version of CyberLink. You need that to play high def and costs more than the motherboard is selling for now. -Dave Walton On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD-Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Is XP 64 bit or what? Or is just vista 64 bit? What are the advantages? I am way behind the times. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer You need a SATA controller to use SATA drives. All the current machines that have SATA also have an ATA or IDE connector on the motherboard for use with cd drives. That will allow you to connect your old disk to copy stuff over. Any current machine you buy will be 64 bit. You might as well load an x64 version of windows since Microsoft has yet to come out with any upgrade path from x86 to x64. Soon, you will only be able to get x64 versions of Windows. Neither Intel or AMD are making any more x86 CPU's - except for specialty dedicated controllers. As a side note, Small Business Server 2008 will be released only as an x64 version (Exchange 2007 is x64 only). Anyone running SBS now will need to do a complete reinstall to move to SBS2008. There is no upgrade. They bumped the Premium version of SBS2008 to run on 2 servers and are coming out with a new product called EBS2008 (Essential Business Server) that will run on 3 (standard) or 4 (premium) servers. The only drawback I see on that eMachine is a limit of 2-gig of ram. These days, that's not much and may not be enough to run the next version of Windows. Personally, I'd go with an Asus M2A-VM and an athlon x2 6400 dual-core cpu. They are dirt cheap now. That will play HD and Blu-ray on you nice TV. The motherboard comes with an OEM version of CyberLink. You need that to play high def and costs more than the motherboard is selling for now. -Dave Walton On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD-Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have XP pro sp2, is that 64 bit? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Is XP 64 bit or what? Or is just vista 64 bit? What are the advantages? I am way behind the times. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer You need a SATA controller to use SATA drives. All the current machines that have SATA also have an ATA or IDE connector on the motherboard for use with cd drives. That will allow you to connect your old disk to copy stuff over. Any current machine you buy will be 64 bit. You might as well load an x64 version of windows since Microsoft has yet to come out with any upgrade path from x86 to x64. Soon, you will only be able to get x64 versions of Windows. Neither Intel or AMD are making any more x86 CPU's - except for specialty dedicated controllers. As a side note, Small Business Server 2008 will be released only as an x64 version (Exchange 2007 is x64 only). Anyone running SBS now will need to do a complete reinstall to move to SBS2008. There is no upgrade. They bumped the Premium version of SBS2008 to run on 2 servers and are coming out with a new product called EBS2008 (Essential Business Server) that will run on 3 (standard) or 4 (premium) servers. The only drawback I see on that eMachine is a limit of 2-gig of ram. These days, that's not much and may not be enough to run the next version of Windows. Personally, I'd go with an Asus M2A-VM and an athlon x2 6400 dual-core cpu. They are dirt cheap now. That will play HD and Blu-ray on you nice TV. The motherboard comes with an OEM version of CyberLink. You need that to play high def and costs more than the motherboard is selling for now. -Dave Walton On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD-Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not unless it says it is. XP is already on the path to deprecation. It wont be supported much longer (2010?). -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: I have XP pro sp2, is that 64 bit? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Is XP 64 bit or what? Or is just vista 64 bit? What are the advantages? I am way behind the times. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer You need a SATA controller to use SATA drives. All the current machines that have SATA also have an ATA or IDE connector on the motherboard for use with cd drives. That will allow you to connect your old disk to copy stuff over. Any current machine you buy will be 64 bit. You might as well load an x64 version of windows since Microsoft has yet to come out with any upgrade path from x86 to x64. Soon, you will only be able to get x64 versions of Windows. Neither Intel or AMD are making any more x86 CPU's - except for specialty dedicated controllers. As a side note, Small Business Server 2008 will be released only as an x64 version (Exchange 2007 is x64 only). Anyone running SBS now will need to do a complete reinstall to move to SBS2008. There is no upgrade. They bumped the Premium version of SBS2008 to run on 2 servers and are coming out with a new product called EBS2008 (Essential Business Server) that will run on 3 (standard) or 4 (premium) servers. The only drawback I see on that eMachine is a limit of 2-gig of ram. These days, that's not much and may not be enough to run the next version of Windows. Personally, I'd go with an Asus M2A-VM and an athlon x2 6400 dual-core cpu. They are dirt cheap now. That will play HD and Blu-ray on you nice TV. The motherboard comes with an OEM version of CyberLink. You need that to play high def and costs more than the motherboard is selling for now. -Dave Walton On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD-Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http
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On a $300 computer neither XP or Vista is likely to be 64bit. If you're in doubt you've got 32bit... If you've got less than 1GB of RAM go XP. More than 1GB it probably doesn't matter. Smart money goes Linux, why do you resist? Oh smart money also says you WILL get into this trouble again if the wife stays with Outlook Express... -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:20:51 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Is XP 64 bit or what? Or is just vista 64 bit? What are the advantages? I am way behind the times. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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B! Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically labeled, just like XP. The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the processor. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No. Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:27:08 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I have XP pro sp2, is that 64 bit? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Regina would very easily get used to a good Linux distro, especially by using Sylpheed as an email client. 2 gigs of RAM minimum for Vista is a cruel joke! Keep the XP installed. Crop out all the crap they preload to help you. Then get PCLinuxOS or Ubunutu. I prefer PCLOS as it's not as bloaty as Ubunutu. To befair, Ubunutu sells itself as a Windoze replacement and it is very similarexcept that it works right out of the box. The reason for keeping XP in the beginning anyway, is just in case you need an MS driver for a peripheral that isn't readily available in Linux land. Happens sometimes...usually on cheaper machines that have bespoke hardware to save money. You then point the Linux hardware manager to the windows driver and all is fine. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The retail Vista package ships with x86 and x64 versions for all product levels. All product levels are installed from the same DVD and use the Activation code to determine what it lays down on the hard drive. OEM versions usually only ship with one version for one product level. XP Professional is still available in an x64 version. It has a different part number than the x86 version. At this point, Vista x64 will have better support and driver availability. There is a slight speed improvement running x64 versus x86 on the same hardware due to taking a bigger byte of memory each time (pun intended). Many device drivers still run in 32 bit mode under WoW (Windows on Windows) under the x64 versions. That's just MicroSpeak for saying they wrote an emulation layer so they would not have to rewrite/recompile everything. 2Gig ram is jst enough to run the ultimate version of Vista and use your PC as a Tivo with a standard and HD tuner board. -Dave Walton On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have XP pro sp2, is that 64 bit? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Is XP 64 bit or what? Or is just vista 64 bit? What are the advantages? I am way behind the times. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer You need a SATA controller to use SATA drives. All the current machines that have SATA also have an ATA or IDE connector on the motherboard for use with cd drives. That will allow you to connect your old disk to copy stuff over. Any current machine you buy will be 64 bit. You might as well load an x64 version of windows since Microsoft has yet to come out with any upgrade path from x86 to x64. Soon, you will only be able to get x64 versions of Windows. Neither Intel or AMD are making any more x86 CPU's - except for specialty dedicated controllers. As a side note, Small Business Server 2008 will be released only as an x64 version (Exchange 2007 is x64 only). Anyone running SBS now will need to do a complete reinstall to move to SBS2008. There is no upgrade. They bumped the Premium version of SBS2008 to run on 2 servers and are coming out with a new product called EBS2008 (Essential Business Server) that will run on 3 (standard) or 4 (premium) servers. The only drawback I see on that eMachine is a limit of 2-gig of ram. These days, that's not much and may not be enough to run the next version of Windows. Personally, I'd go with an Asus M2A-VM and an athlon x2 6400 dual-core cpu. They are dirt cheap now. That will play HD and Blu-ray on you nice TV. The motherboard comes with an OEM version of CyberLink. You need that to play high def and costs more than the motherboard is selling for now. -Dave Walton On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD-Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL
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What's the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? Thanks, Gerry From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kubuntu is plug and play, requiring fewer steps to install (like silly registration codes) than windows. You can download the cd @ kubuntu.org. The interface is pretty similar. The only real trick is learning the package system that is used for installing new applications (like openoffice). It is pretty straight forward but knowing what you want to install is the trick. The real secret is learning to use your online help resources, the web and IRC. You get LOADS of free support on the forums and on IRC. More and better support than M$ will ever offer, free or otherwise. There is a whole world out there ready to be learned. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer wrote: What's the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? Linux is able to have multiple window managers. Kubuntu uses the KDE window manager whereas Ubuntu uses Gnome. Each window manager provides the way you interface with your computer... its best seen with screenshots... KDE: http://kde.org/screenshots/kde350shots.php GNOME: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/screenshots.html http://www.lynucs.org/?gnome Did that help any? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well I bought the 399 e machine, which I am using right now. Fired it up with vista, yes, its 32 bit. Still wondering if I should wipe it out and see what happens with XP installed. If I do go that route and it doesnt work ,I assume I can wipe it out again and reinstall the original stuff via the restore cd etc. Also, if I stick with vista, can I plug my old drive in (already have removed teh cover, and copy whatever files over I need? B! Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically labeled, just like XP. The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the processor. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All macs have been 64 bit since when? I'm thinking its been about 10 years already. Anyone know? I decided maybe 5 years ago not to buy any more windows hardware until it has all been 64 bit for several years. (so that I don't have to pay a premium for the somewhat 64 bit hardware or way premium for true 64 bit hardware.) I did buy a macbook for my wife to write her thesis on, and it runs windows wicked fast, although it is approaching 2 yrs old now. For my money, a used intel mac is better hardware for windoze than most of the generic stuff. And you get the added bonus that you can run OS X in native more or windows or linux, all native or all the OSes listed all native. At 06:10 PM 5/5/2008, you wrote: Well I bought the 399 e machine, which I am using right now. Fired it up with vista, yes, its 32 bit. Still wondering if I should wipe it out and see what happens with XP installed. If I do go that route and it doesnt work ,I assume I can wipe it out again and reinstall the original stuff via the restore cd etc. Also, if I stick with vista, can I plug my old drive in (already have removed teh cover, and copy whatever files over I need? B! Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically labeled, just like XP. The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the processor. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If it works reasonably well and seems reasonably fast I'd say stick with what you've got. Why mess with it? Obligitory linux plug here... I like Mepis, easy to use, works good. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 23:10:10 - (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Well I bought the 399 e machine, which I am using right now. Fired it up with vista, yes, its 32 bit. Still wondering if I should wipe it out and see what happens with XP installed. If I do go that route and it doesnt work ,I assume I can wipe it out again and reinstall the original stuff via the restore cd etc. Also, if I stick with vista, can I plug my old drive in (already have removed teh cover, and copy whatever files over I need? - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Depends on what you believe, Apple isn't scrupulously honest about everything. 10 years ago, lessee, 1998, Blue and White G3... I googled first 64 bit mac and got http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/jun/23pmg5.html which says as I suspected that the G5 was the first 64 bit Mac, 2003, a mere 5 years ago... -Curt Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 18:09:41 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed All macs have been 64 bit since when? I'm thinking its been about 10 years already. Anyone know? I decided maybe 5 years ago not to buy any more windows hardware until it has all been 64 bit for several years. (so that I don't have to pay a premium for the somewhat 64 bit hardware or way premium for true 64 bit hardware.) I did buy a macbook for my wife to write her thesis on, and it runs windows wicked fast, although it is approaching 2 yrs old now. For my money, a used intel mac is better hardware for windoze than most of the generic stuff. And you get the added bonus that you can run OS X in native more or windows or linux, all native or all the OSes listed all native. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I upgraded my mobo after years of upgrading the peripherals = that made it *FAST* - so fast the splash at the launch would flash by sa fast it couldn;t be read. Then win loaded. Everything is fast. IE7 started to slow and I went with Firefox which works really well. The Mobo upgrade was past due - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer Microcenter and Fry's have some cheap mobo/processor combos, then get some memory, and you can use your older stuff with a new faster board. You might need a new video card too, the new boards are all PCI-E, and that might demand a more powerful power supply. But you can kind of sneak up on stuff if you want to fool around with it. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, thats kind of what Im thinking. I could spend $100 or so on a new hard drive, or spend 3-400 on a whole new deal and wipe the old box, start it over and use it for a 2nd machine. On second thought, since your current box is so old, I'd recommend just getting a new PC. As you note, there are lots of low cost boxes available. They may not be the latest technology (so what!) but they are a quantum leap from what you have now and will fix your problem fast and for sure. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 13:27 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT, replace computer So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in 01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7 since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no problems. Current problem is of course software related, but thinking about either replacing its hard drive and start from scratch, them moving over what I need, or just buying a whole new computer, wiping out the vista crap, and install XP. Office depot has this on sale, look like a POS? Seems cheap: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/109410/T3646-Desktop-Computer-With-AMD -Processor/ If I go with a new drive, mine is ATA, but I see SATA looks like now, will these SATA drives work with my ATA controller or will I have to find a ATA drive? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The EEEPC from Asus comes with Linux pre-installed - and they're not that expensive. I've toyed with getting one, but I'm too cheap for even that machine new. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8625295type=productid=1193452147742 -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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. If so, you will have saved yourself a lot of work by not having to reload your OS, your programs, and all your data. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I bought the 399 e machine, which I am using right now. Fired it up with vista, yes, its 32 bit. Still wondering if I should wipe it out and see what happens with XP installed. If I do go that route and it doesnt work ,I assume I can wipe it out again and reinstall the original stuff via the restore cd etc. Also, if I stick with vista, can I plug my old drive in (already have removed teh cover, and copy whatever files over I need? B! Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically labeled, just like XP. The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the processor. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, you can copy stuff over with a few exceptions. Both Vista and XP work with NTFS and Fat filesystems. If you get permission errors, you can try booting from a BartPE CD. That gives you access to the filesystem without Windows trying to enforce any security constraints. http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ -Dave Walton On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I bought the 399 e machine, which I am using right now. Fired it up with vista, yes, its 32 bit. Still wondering if I should wipe it out and see what happens with XP installed. If I do go that route and it doesnt work ,I assume I can wipe it out again and reinstall the original stuff via the restore cd etc. Also, if I stick with vista, can I plug my old drive in (already have removed teh cover, and copy whatever files over I need? B! Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically labeled, just like XP. The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the processor. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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as well — labeled *Always show icons, never thumbnails*. That option tells Vista not to bother with showing thumbnails of images in a directory listing. If you can do without thumbnails, you'll find that Explorer works faster and crashes a lot less. You can also modify the Start menu if you want. Right-click the *Start*menu, and select *Properties*. The Taskbar and Start Menu dialog box opens. From there, select the *Start Menu tab*, and then click the *Classic *Start Menu* *option button. Click *OK*, and Vista will give you back the old-style XP Start menu. See if these tips will help you get most of the XP performance back. If so, you will have saved yourself a lot of work by not having to reload your OS, your programs, and all your data. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I bought the 399 e machine, which I am using right now. Fired it up with vista, yes, its 32 bit. Still wondering if I should wipe it out and see what happens with XP installed. If I do go that route and it doesnt work ,I assume I can wipe it out again and reinstall the original stuff via the restore cd etc. Also, if I stick with vista, can I plug my old drive in (already have removed teh cover, and copy whatever files over I need? B! Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically labeled, just like XP. The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the processor. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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should notice that Vista becomes a bit snappier overall. You can also tweak more out of Vista by changing the way *Windows Explorer*works, which is also heavy on the glitz. One of the first problems is that the menus are no longer visible. Get them back by opening Windows Explorer, pressing Alt-T to pull open the hidden Tools menu, and then selecting *Folder Options*. From the resulting dialog box, click the *View* tab, where you'll see several check boxes. Check the one that is labeled *Always show menus*, and you'll get your Explorer menus back in a flash. Also check the first option as well labeled *Always show icons, never thumbnails*. That option tells Vista not to bother with showing thumbnails of images in a directory listing. If you can do without thumbnails, you'll find that Explorer works faster and crashes a lot less. You can also modify the Start menu if you want. Right-click the *Start*menu, and select *Properties*. The Taskbar and Start Menu dialog box opens. From there, select the *Start Menu tab*, and then click the *Classic *Start Menu* *option button. Click *OK*, and Vista will give you back the old-style XP Start menu. See if these tips will help you get most of the XP performance back. If so, you will have saved yourself a lot of work by not having to reload your OS, your programs, and all your data. On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I bought the 399 e machine, which I am using right now. Fired it up with vista, yes, its 32 bit. Still wondering if I should wipe it out and see what happens with XP installed. If I do go that route and it doesnt work ,I assume I can wipe it out again and reinstall the original stuff via the restore cd etc. Also, if I stick with vista, can I plug my old drive in (already have removed teh cover, and copy whatever files over I need? B! Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically labeled, just like XP. The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the processor. -Curt Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400 From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use more than 2GB of memory at a time. -Rolf - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ah - longing for the good old days. Would still RATHER just install XP on here since I know what is going on with it. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The statement that new versions of OS software aren't faster isn't quite true -- Mac OS 10.4 is quite a bit faster than 10.3.9, and 10.3.9 is a real speed demon in comparison to 10.2.8 -- all on the same machine, too. One should expect improvements in optimization as software evolves. Sadly, this is only partially true for things like Unix (and Linux, for that matter) where code gets patched quite a bit -- this may and may not make it faster. Faster hardware should give faster OS response, but these days there is so much code and so little time we seem to be ending up with bogware too often. The lastet versions of Flash Media Player based applications are slower than owl s***t even on fairly fast computers with decent ram (1 GB, which should be enough for anything), pretty crappy for what should be a fairly simple low res video/sound processor. Microsoft used to be famous for never optimizing stuff, too -- I guess they were in so much of a hurry to produce what they'd already sold and packaged there was to time to go and remove the no-op buffers some C compilers use when setting up operations, MS just left them in rather than go back and re-code and troubleshoot/debug to reduce the size of exe files. That's why a Microsoft mouse driver used to be 102K and work slow and buggy, and Logitek's was 2k and ran like a scalded cat. Same thing when WorkPerfect switched from assembler to C (I think it was version 7, may have been six). Went from a decently fast and usable program on a 386 box to a slug. Faster to program if you don't optimize it, but the software was much lower quality. Crashed, too, as I remember, and the earlier versions never did. Oh well. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The screenshots look interesting. I tried Ubuntu awhile back and couldn't get it online. I'll try Kubuntu in a few weeks and maybe have better luck. Thanks, Gerry - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] archer wrote: What's the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? Linux is able to have multiple window managers. Kubuntu uses the KDE window manager whereas Ubuntu uses Gnome. Each window manager provides the way you interface with your computer... its best seen with screenshots... KDE: http://kde.org/screenshots/kde350shots.php GNOME: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/screenshots.html http://www.lynucs.org/?gnome Did that help any? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 6:01 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have to take issue with anyone that expects new versions of Operating Systems to be faster than the old versions. That has not been true since the 1960's and anyone with experience in this business knows that and knows why. I have plenty of experience with the business, and generally, with certain exceptions, the Mac OS's got faster with each release _on_the_same_hardware_. (The exceptions being 7.0 and 10.0, those releases representing major sea changes in how they did things. Older hardware was abandoned along the way, though, and generally each new release needed more memory each time in order to gain the speedup, or even to hold ground.) Only Microsoft notably screws existing hardware owners with each new OS. I think they're sloppy, and generally exhibit other signs of poor design and coding practices, and a near nonexistent ability to architect anything that's worth a floating candy bar. Their crap works in spite of itself, and that it works at all is a minor miracle. It's quite clear that they _never_ spend any time tuning stuff to behave itself on anything but the latest and greatest hardware. They will never get dime one from me. Never. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer
Yes, once in a while software does get faster, but it is seldom. To their credit, M$ claimed Server 2003 was faster on the same hardware than Server 2000. I tried it. It is My DC/File server is still running on a amd 350 Mhz k2 processor machine that I built ... uh 9 years ago as a workstation. I keep thinking that I should replace it, just becuz, but it keeps plugging away. 24/7/365 It truly gained speed and new life with Server 2003 about 5 yrs ago. I suppose I could put the non-gui version of server 2008 on it, but I think it would be better to use a little faster box. At 10:07 PM 5/5/2008, you wrote: The statement that new versions of OS software aren't faster isn't quite true -- Mac OS 10.4 is quite a bit faster than 10.3.9, and 10.3.9 is a real speed demon in comparison to 10.2.8 -- all on the same machine, too. One should expect improvements in optimization as software evolves. Sadly, this is only partially true for things like Unix (and Linux, for that matter) where code gets patched quite a bit -- this may and may not make it faster. Faster hardware should give faster OS response, but these days there is so much code and so little time we seem to be ending up with bogware too often. The lastet versions of Flash Media Player based applications are slower than owl s***t even on fairly fast computers with decent ram (1 GB, which should be enough for anything), pretty crappy for what should be a fairly simple low res video/sound processor. Microsoft used to be famous for never optimizing stuff, too -- I guess they were in so much of a hurry to produce what they'd already sold and packaged there was to time to go and remove the no-op buffers some C compilers use when setting up operations, MS just left them in rather than go back and re-code and troubleshoot/debug to reduce the size of exe files. That's why a Microsoft mouse driver used to be 102K and work slow and buggy, and Logitek's was 2k and ran like a scalded cat. Same thing when WorkPerfect switched from assembler to C (I think it was version 7, may have been six). Went from a decently fast and usable program on a 386 box to a slug. Faster to program if you don't optimize it, but the software was much lower quality. Crashed, too, as I remember, and the earlier versions never did. Oh well. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
